PANEL: SEXUAL REVOLUTION | Louise Perry, Jordan Peterson, Mary Harrington, Stephen Blackwood
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2024
- "Traditions are experiments that worked. What we have found, having rejected the sexual norms of the past, is that they were there for a reason... The winners of the sexual revolution have not been women...and the great losers of the sexual revolution are children" - Louise Perry
00:00 - 01:35 Jordan Peterson’s Introduction
01:36 - 05:44 Louise Perry on the Sexual Revolution
05:45 - 11:25 Mary Harrington on Transhumanism
11:26 - 14:46 Louise Perry’s advice to women
14:47 - 19:02 Stephen Blackwood on Human Flourishing
19:03 - 21:31 Jordan ends
This fantastic panel discussion was captured on Day 2 of the ARC Conference 2023.
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Dr Jordan B Peterson is a clinical psychologist and Professor Emeritus at the University of Toronto. He authored the global bestsellers Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life and 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos.
Find out more about Jordan's ideas in the accompanying ARC Research paper: www.arcforum.com/research-pap...
Louise Perry is a journalist, author, and director of The Other Half, a non-partisan feminist think tank based in London, UK. Her bestselling book The Case Against the Sexual Revolution was published in 2022.
Find out more about Louise's ideas in the accompanying ARC Research paper: www.arcforum.com/research-pap...
Mary Harrington is a British columnist, author, and contributing editor at UnHerd. Her first book, titled Feminism Against Progress, argues that the modern understanding of “progress” is turning against all but a tiny elite of women.
Dr Stephen Blackwood is the founding President of Ralston College, a new university in Savannah, Georgia, dedicated to the revival of humanistic inquiry. He has co-founded and helped to direct several non-profit organisations, from inner-city education to cancer research.
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Read the ARC Research paper: “The Real Cost of childcare” which Louise contributed to if you want to go more in depth into these ideas: www.arc-research.org/research-papers/the-real-cost-of-childcare
Depends on how you define childcare.
Based in DUBAI- you want to eradicate women’s human rights. Just admit it.
You want me to be in the situation my grandmothers were in- beaten and abused, our children exploited, exposed to STDs, or perhaps worse- and sold like slaves to other men.
You’ll either push the West into SHARIA LAW or create a huge left wing pushback that will make our heads spin’
I just skimmed this paper. Is it peer-reviewed? Even at a quick glance I can see that your tax calculations are incorrect. It'd take me time that I don't have to thoroughly go through the entire article and double-check all the information, but seeing that something that simple was already overlooked puts into question how thorough the researchers were in being critical of their findings. Perhaps I'll find the time, but for now... this really should have a second look at just to clear up any incorrect information or data.
I should elaborate.
"This trend continues across all tax bands: if two parents each earned £35,000, each would pay 20% income tax, amounting to a total of £14,000 a year for the household unit. However, if one parent had no income and the other earned £70,000, the higher tax rate of 40% would apply, meaning the family’s tax burden would double to £28,000 a year. Hence, individual taxation hinders family choice across the socioeconomic spectrum." (pg,17 para.2)
UK has a personal allowance of non-taxable income of £12,570. So, they're right about an earner of £35,000 amounting to just over £7000 income tax per annum (per parent).
One earner of £70,000 however does not have their entire income taxed at the 40% rate. Earners over £50,271 are taxed at the higher rate of 40%, but only the amount over that bracket is taxed at the higher rate.
In essence:
£12,570 allowance.
£37,701 * 0.2 = £7540
£19,729 * 0.4 = £7891
Equating to tax of £15,432 (rounded up as I cut off some decimals). However, this ignores other tax considerations such as National Insurance Contributions:
For a £70,000 earner this is just over £4900 a year.
For two £35,000 earners, this is just over £5380 a year.
There are various other considerations to be had when comparing double-income households. I only skimmed the article, but I didn't see these things addressed. It strikes me as bias that the researchers have neglected some considerations, where (as we know) these things should be completely unbiased.
One thing that wasn't brought, was that fact that through the almost of the entirety of human history something like 95% of it in which humans practiced in polygamy, and you had few males having sex with most of the woman.And when the church got involved it pushed it through in the name morality for monogamy. (But it was still highly regulated by the church How ,when,where, and with whom.). Look no farther the the old testament , a lot of which was about having sex with concubines and slaves,and the new testament was about it being better to be celibate or eunuch.
I'm 62 years old. My grandparents, who lived right down the street from us, spent hours and hours teaching my brother and me about the Depression, WWII, poverty, prosperity, chastity, etcs. Neither one had much education, but they were full of wisdom, and used The Bible as their guide. I miss them both.
Me as well. The silent and Greatest generations were/are priceless.
Thank you. My grandmother, who was from the South, loved literature and the television show "The Waltons." We watched reruns of it until she was about 100 years old! When she moved to California she was able to meet John Steinbeck. Steinbeck was working on a book in California's Imperial Valley where "hobos" road the railcars in search of a better life. When she spoke to my bother and me you could not escape the fact that she was about was pure wisdom. She would die today if she knew that most grandchildren today don't listen to their grandparents at all. Have a nice day. @@GAB8407
Same , a great gift…also had wonderful wise parents .very blessed.
Dang, I miss them too, buddy. I'm 63 and I got a lot of it in just passing conversations I would listen to when I should have been out playing. I found their reminiscences fascinating and sad. I, as a child born in 1960, had both parents a secure home and many luxuries that my forebearors did not imagine, let alone enjoy in abundance.
Same here, my grandparents and great grandparents lived true ww1, ww2, Indonesian war of independance. They also spent lots of time teaching us kids the history of our family and the world around us. Bless them and bless your grandparents! ❤
When Jordan Peterson announced on the Joe Rogan podcast that he was spearheading the ARC consortium, bringing together people to talk about a brighter future, an alternative to the WEF elitist agenda, I knew something good was about to happen. These are necessary and great conversations.
Thank you to all involved.
Wonderful conversation, thank you one & all.
its what the wef were needed for.
Couldn't agree more, another example of the pendulum always swings the other way.
It's been too long, almost to the point, would [it] even shift the other way, ever again.
@@firecontrol22Its not going to. Ww3 will take care of it.
They’re going to come for him. Again. They did the same think to the Intellectual Dark Web.
"if you're having sex with someone on the condition that he absolutely doesn't become the father of your children, then that probably isa good indication that you shouldn't be having sex with him"
This right here needs to be heard worldwide
It also needs to be said the other way round. Men should not sleep with women who they don’t want as mothers to their children.
The problem is women have all of the leverage, it’s the woman’s decision. I’m sorry but men most time don’t care the result cause it doesn’t affect them the same way it would affect a woman. Women need to stand up and ditch bad men
Except it's a straw man argument. You can have sex for pleasure with someone and then later decide to have sex for procreation with them.
No, only in the west lol
Sounds boring.
These discussions need to happen everywhere. We are drowning in unchecked wokeness, misinformation, and greed by the elites.
Yeah the real problems in the world are wokeness and not the corrosive nationalism that is dividing us nor the warming of the Earth.
Yes, indeed. Who will have these conversations though? If not us, I do not know. We must have these conversations with people we share our life with, family, friends, and community.
You think those speaking there and in the audience are not elites?
You think they are elites, why not think of them as enablers of basic thaught
@@eduardofcgo They are part of this audience, listening, this a good sign.
I am a 24-year-old GenZ woman, and I’m so grateful that I was one of the privileged few who was raised by conservative Christian parents all my life. I’ve never taken part in the “sexual freedom” movement, and saved myself for my husband (married for a year now).
Some of my closest friends sleep around and go from boyfriend to boyfriend, and they are just so much less happy, more anxious, and more depressed than I am, largely because of that, and it makes me so sad for them.
BUT, thanks to how I was raised and evidence-based lectures like these, I’m fully confident I can raise my future children to understand that choosing to treat sex as sacred is the best way.
What is a GenZ woman?
That's great to hear I'm saving myself for my wife but trying to date at 21 in 2023 is very difficult with everyone wanting sex before the 1st date even happens.
people born mid-1990s to mid-2010s@@chrisspeksnijder1717
@@chrisspeksnijder1717 - "GenZ" is short for Generation Z, which means the generation of people born between 1997 and 2012. Ages 11 to 26 right now. :)
@@dannyphantom3090 - That it is! It's awful. I'm praying for you, that you find someone quickly and are blessed with abundant patience til then :)
“Human nature is not a social construct “ So true!!!!
Human nature is not to be married and tied to a single mate as can be seen in every single culture outside of Christianity and even most Christians either cheat or have more than one mate in life.
It should be intuitively obvious, for anyone that's ever raised children, that we have in-built mental firmware. My nephew, at a very young age, without any encouragement, gravitated towards toys with wheels even though there was soft toys available to play with.
Then why are they building a case to make one, a social construct.
@@russell62790midwit counter
@@russell62790I have no idea what you are building. The west lives in two parallel universes.
I’m an elder millennial and the casual-sex revolution aided by dating apps was and remains the scourge of my generation. I refused to go along with it and it’s been a lonely 20 years when you’re not willing to have sex outside of marriage, but my soul isn’t shredded by casual sex, and I’ll always be thankful to God for that (and many other things).
Bless you!
@clara4942 I salute you for refusing to be involved in this sex saturated dating stuff! Wow, 20 years!
Where to from here?
How are you gonna find mr right?
I'm taken, but am interested in others journey
😂 enjoy being lonely 😊
I wish I had had the good sense to be like you. I went along with all that nonsense and feel so damaged now.
@@sarahcollinge3608 all you can do is live in your misery
These ARC lectures and discussions. It’s like Intellectual Glastonbury. Far more satisfying than TED has been in recent years. Hope to see it again next year.
“Intellectual Glastonbury”. Love that! Thank you for your support and we appreciate all you’re doing to getting the word out
I agree with you .
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Ted has decended into self approval no matter what ..
"if the principle of the pill is that you are taking it because you under no circumstance want your sexual partner to become the father of your children, it's a strong indication you probably shouldn't have sex with him at all".
Amazing words all women should live by.
It will raise the standard of both men and women, and make us all better people.
Beautifully stated. But he may become a father any how because the chemical contraceptives are also intended to end pregnancies.
@@poetmaggie1your statement contradicts itself.
@kjetilknyttnev3702 completely agreeing with the statement. But one argument against it can be made as - the female neither does him to be the father nor does she want any children at the moment, and is indulging in the act just out of physical pleasure. The undesirability maybe because of financial, or any other condition. What should be the response then? Like here the father and children part becomes tertiary because her primary want is pleasure. She might not even be interested in having any children. Like today's teenagers, many do not realise the value of having children but like to involve in such acts. What then?
@@sayantanchatterjee3874 It's the equivalent of bulimia, behavior that damages the self with no clear benefit beyond 10 minutes of dopamine. Having many sexual partners, especially for women, plays havoc on the endocrine system and the brain. It strips out the pair bonding matrices and puts one into a sort of trauma mode.
The seeking of unmitigated pleasure should never be done, as the end result of that pattern is getting STDs and ODing on cocaine in a brothel.
@@sayantanchatterjee3874You just argued what Peterson stated in his open
Limits don’t always hold you back, sometimes they hold you up.
Absolutely. Like a guard rail stopping you from walking off a cliff.
Well said 💯
"What good culture does is channel our instincts in the best possible direction" - yes, fantastic.
Back a decade or so, Russell Brand used to say that our culture (at the time) only promoted the worst in our natural instincts, not the best. Finally, we are here....I thought it was fantastic too.
Waiting for marriage in 2023 sucks especially as a guy but I'll take this over potentially catching a std, unwanted pregnancy and bonding with multiple people who won't be my wife.
"There are limits to how much we might want to transcend our limits." Without limits chaos reigns.
What a rubbish thing to say, and without qualification. How else would we grow if not by transcending limits....depending on who sets your limits.
@@maureenrhysjones4643it's a pretty decent comment. Our limits are there for a specific reason. Even if we aren't aware of it yet.
Much of life today is fleeting and temporary and fake. We have no limits on creating our own 'lifestyle' but that doesn't seem to really satisfy us. So it seems we need some sort of natural limit on how easy it is to fake it.
If you try to transcend the limits of conscience, you will fail. You will turn into a demon and hate yourself more and more and then simply hate everyone and everything else, like the worst people. If you are working on skill or patience through practice, that is advancing and realizing yourself. All revolutions are a duping of people into maximal destruction, exactly the kind of destruction they are talking about on this panel, and far worse. Everything is not to be surpassed. Family, law and order, decency, sanity. Pretending there is no repercussion to anything is the height of short-sightedness.
@@maureenrhysjones4643What do you know about my qualifications? I grew up in chaos. Without stability, without structure, little support, plenty of questions, even more insecurities, broken home, and in poverty. I grew up within the social welfare system. I can assure you it doesn't work as one might think. I hope your life was much more comfortable. It's perfectly fine to test your limits, but the ability to recognizing your limits is both a strength and a blessing.
@@maureenrhysjones4643 what they said is true in physics. And as such is true since all we are is physics animated by biochemistry.
I hope the editor or soundperson could find it in their heart to increase the volume on these videos in the future, just so I hear your wonderful content better ❤
It sounds as though the lav mics didn't record properly, and that the area mic had to pull its weight. That's why the loudest sound in the video, by far, was someone placing their cup down on the table.
These ARC discussions are are truly wonderful.
Absolutely !
You will never find two better or more honest people that Kevin McCarthy and Michael Gove. 😜
Grow up FFS !
@@petersutton523Are you attempting to fact check these people? Have you had cabinet minister experience?
Yeah... truly wonderful lukewarm center-right conversations lol
Agreed. If only the audio was better on all the videos.
@@ALeaud Every participant in this sh1t show is a part of today's" ruling elite".
They can all see that m maniacs like Gates, Schwab, Trudeau and others have gone to far and now they are desperately trying to make calming noises in an attempt to prevent real change and to maintain their own positions of wealth and power.
It's whale music nothing more.
As a professional, working with clients who struggle with an anxiety, I can definitely say that our current mental health crisis is a result of the cultural emphasis on the fulfillment of hedonistic desires in the absence of responsibility.
... two income problems of getting a house ... or a place to park four cars ... or the unintegrated public transport costs of living in London ... or any UK city ... there are some cheaper houses in the fields, without railway lines, but that requires a motorbike or a car ... after a year travelling on a bus you favour the car ... which is why you never use a bus or a train? ... the convenient stress of a car ...
in other words, lack of meaning
I tought the world was going insane, but this gives me hope. Thanks peterson and co for presenting this to us.
Its propaganda. Big part of the world has not gone insane, but they are not allowed to speak common sense. Establishing something unnatural as the norm influences acceptance and ultimately adoption.
Stay strong, we are still majority, albeit censored silent majority.
So glad to see Jordan Peterson and Mary Harrington speaking at last!
I’ve been longing to see them in conversation! May there be a podcast in the offing!
It's of note that he still hasn't spoken to Meghan Murphy, who spoke along with Jordan about bill C 16.
Ive been off the pill for a year and have definitely made better decisions. I have taken my time and used my good judgement, and therefore have dodged multiple bullets and much distruction. It's been life changing and I feel like a more balanced woman phsyically and emotionally
Too late.
I’m so glad you have the choice.
These are tough choices to make but people always have a choice. Good on you for choosing in the right direction.
in what way exactly ?
@@markpong5435For what?
"Psychopathic, narcissistic, machiavellian, and sadistic. Exactly the sort of men you wouldn't want to win." I'm going to remember that qoute a long time.
Jordan I pray God gives you long life because humanity needs you. What a smart panel, making sense and all. Thank you
Amen to that prayer.
@@mztwixedGod won't give anyone any length of life as God does not exist.
@@briancarton1804 says the ignorant who has never met him. I challenge to you to ask Him if He exists and for Him to show you.
@@mztwixed Asked God for the gift of faith more times than I can count. Nothing happened , conclusion God is not real or simply does not care.
I was reared Catholic and prayed diligently morning and night. When I reached the age of reason I had doubts and prayed for help. Absolutely nothing. God was a no show.
The more I reflected on the God of the bible the less sense it made. God of the bible is an evil genocidal maniac drowning everyone on earth including pregnant women and babies. Killed all bar Noah and chums. What an asshole. Also in the bible Satan kills ten people and God kills millions.
Now whose the bad guy?
Pastors and preachers tell me that Jesus loves me but if I don't love him back he will burn me in hell for all eternity. Any being that would do that is an evil , sadistic , psychopathic , cruel bully definitely not worthy of worship.
Stick your evil God where the sun don't shine.
Louise is beautiful, humble, and eloquent. As a young woman I can't ask for a better role model.
Hello did u know pairing up with a man is good for u? :)
I love how her beauty is mentioned first. At first glance, this can appear to be a shallow, materialistic observation. She is indeed, quite beautiful, but it makes it all the more impressive that she has these other great qualities that are a result of her free will, dedication and morals. Beautiful people often have it very easy and don't need to develop all of these other qualities. But she did. She is very beautiful indeed. Through in and through out.
Yeah but I'll bet Mary is more of a goer! 😂😂😂😂😂
@@marccas10 have you ever considered having a cold shower when your co*k takes over like this?
@@Pacdoc-oz it's my only pleasure.
“A pleasure-filled life is not the same as a happy life, and a happy life is not the same as a meaningful life. Being happy is a matter of ‘feeling good’, which might, of course, be a sign of enlightenment; but it could signify ignorance, thoughtlessness, insensitivity, lack of insight into oneself, lack of empathy for others, and a ‘healthy’ bank balance.”
Iain McGilchrist
What a fabulous quote!
14:14 "If you are having sex with someone on the condition that he absolutely does not become the father of your children, that's probably a really good indication that you shouldn't be having sex with him."
Louise Perry cuts right to the core of the issue. I will honestly be using this quote when discussing this issue in the future.
Where have I been? These people are a revelation to me. I have been waking up to a lot of things going on and I'm especially worried about the trans-humanism and this 🙃 insane ideology. However I have been given hope by these individuals 🙏 🙂
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
- Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher
The 'sexual revolution' was a result of scientific discovery. The Pill offered women the chance to control the consequences of actions. Something they were historically and culturally unable to do. Other things, ideas, possibilities flowed from that. We were in new territory and discovered good things, bad things, and neutral things while exploring the new territory. Not exploring that territory would be choosing ignorance. ..........BTW: If the Sexual Revolution invented the circumstance of children not knowing who their fathers are, how do you explain orphanages? (and the modern decline of them?)
That opening... I was brought up in a very individualistic family... and have only recently realised I was pushing the other way, and getting deeply frustrated in finding that e.g. in attempting to create collaborations in work with family members, I was introducing a completely alien ethos which completely went over their heads... they just couldn't grasp the idea of building something together for us and, hopefully, the next generation of our family to profit from.
In my experience, well, the problem is, even if you yourself break out of the individualist mindset, others may not, and likely won't, so you're in line for deep frustration once you see the possibilities and yet see them discarded. ...Aye.
I met a lovely woman a few months ago and... it was strange, I couldn't say it because it sounded ridiculous, but one of the things I found most attractive about her was that she was always helping her family... and it made me want to join in that too, even though they weren't mine, because there's so much in that... and without it things are brutally devoid of that sense of collaboration. Aye.
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I like this comment.
@@balsarmy Indeed, some who don't collaborate with others are just lazy... but I know my own family - leave home, move far away, build a life there, meet family for Christmas perhaps - that's the given ethic.
The vast majority of “independent” people in the west are indebted at least 4 different ways to complete strangers. We have been taught that this is important and “responsible”(i.e. mortgage, leases, loans, car payments, lines of credit, etc.) Meanwhile that same vast majority of people don’t know where the light comes from when they switch it on..or the water when they open the tap. It may as well be pure magic. Debt and incompetency are odd traits for an “individualistic” society.
Also there is no such thing as self-sufficiency. Simply doesn’t exist anywhere in space or time. We are all connected and dependent on harmony and love. We desperately need God’s love and the love of people and even animals.
@@JesseP.Watson Social-Conservative dogma preaches "rugged Individualism" above all-else. Judging by the divorce-rates of evangelical Christians being near-equal to that of devout non-believers, it is apparent that Social-Conservatives have yet to figure-out lasting relationships any better than Social Liberals.
@@DrewishBear Self sufficiency and an individualistic ethos are two quite different things, one is a philosophical bent to put your self/self development etc. first (in general terms), the other is a practical matter which may or may not have philosophical content... a man living off-grid in Alaska may not be an individualist. ...Just as someone lain in a hospital bed being kept alive by anything other than his own efforts may be individualistic.
Loved this and these women!! As a woman.. we need more of this... we dont talk about this enough... we need to!!
Sex being sacred is the cornerstone of family and divinity. An honored woman, an honored man coming together is union. The paradox of one of the most carnal raw animalistic passions finding a divine hue as it binds two together in love and bonded pairs. To treat sex as casual and be perverted and promiscuous is foolish. The more wise mothers and fathers teach this the better the world will be. Sex sells, dont let them brain wash you that it is casual.
You just changed how I perceive sex.
We are sacred beings, no way around it, though people seek to find every way around this. Hollywood has glamorized (or 'remanufactured') sexuality into a drive that secures narcissistic fuel at the expense of the deep soul connection only offered by traditional relationships. "You can't always get what you want" becomes true as a result.
Amen 🙏
@@ghostarr-nw8jj It feels to me that society in general, as I said, is disconnected from itself. This is purposeful so that the atmosphere is set to challenge and awaken those who have hidden potential and talent. Whenever I'd try to help people, they seem to project a 'poor me', or some type of protective drama in reaction. People 'know, but don't know' how to be themselves, and media, entertainment, politics, and education further shape a dependence on outside forces rather than gathering strength inside oneself. I heard from a man who has visited a higher civilization and was describing his experience. He said that children are taken away and placed with special mothers to be cared for. They only hear words of encouragement, love, and happiness. They develop in an entirely different scenario. Our society is being manipulated in fear, doubt, uncertainty. These thoughts and vibrations affect everyone, all the stress, anxiety, and worry especially affect the younger. This man's name is Lowell Johnson, there are a few who've had similar experiences, and they all say our society is very violent and rather unstable. (I know this information will sound strange or farcical, but it is true). His website is www.40kview.com. The people who 'run' our world are mostly out for power and control, they do not desire good for people as this would destabilize their control matrix.
Your "perversion" is another happily-married couple's idea of a fun Saturday night. Religious dogma and its 16th Century orthodoxy have done far-more damage to the Family and to healthy marriage than Feminism could ever hope to affect. It is foolish to forget that Feminism wasn't created in a vacuum. Sexual repression creates sexual perversion.
It’s fantastic what ARC is doing! Such a great initiative and super speakers! Thank you all for sharing hope! God bless ARC!
Stephen Blackwood delivered such an amazing speech 👏 really inspirational, to the point that it speaks directly to the soul. ❤
Probably one of the most profound commentaries I have ever heard,those 3 mins he spoke was mesmerizing
Yeah Stephens word were jaw dropping. So true and bang on target.
Yeah.. but they are chatting... the women were more powerful, the message more seductive. But I agreed with him.
I have increasingly become aware of this topic and the impact of my relationship to it. In my late 20’s having lived a promiscuous adult life, I slowly began to become aware of my actions, a late maturation perhaps and a thirst for spiritual guidance. The interpreter of eastern thought, Alan Watts would say trying to help oneself is like pulling up oneself by his own boot straps, you can’t do it. His seemingly lived out conclusion was to see self improvement, transformation as a futility and to dive into a hedonic sensualist acceptance of one’s desires. I believe he was gifted and flawed like all of us and died relatively young as an alcoholic and a poor Father to his children. The agnostic Christian in me, is becoming more aware of let’s say Sin and it’s pragmatic necessity for let’s say Life but I am a somewhat a confused mess of globalist agnosticism. This confusion combined with life’s inevitable trials and “excuses” is at least part of why many, in my opinion, rightly, claim our culture is in the toilet. Progressive liberals would no doubt disagree
I appreciate that men's vulnerability in this social crisis was addressed. Having spoken to plenty of men (age 20+) at the height of their sexual exploits, it has been my experience that (if they have normal emotional patterns) they are equally miserable when they aren't settled down. It may manifest differently than women, but they aren't well.
I thought what the man said was the best. He didn't address the same thing that everyone else was. But I thought it was Excellent and passionate .
That was my own personal experience, 20-ish years ago. Casual sexual encounters with beautiful women were nice, to an extent, but it was ultimately unfulfilling on nearly every level.
I've been with my wife for 15+ years now. Despite our differences and the challenges we have faced together (and continue to face), I would change nothing. Even all these years later my heart is still aflutter just thinking about her--precisely zero of those previous flings or relationships ever had that effect.
As an older man who was married for a very long time, the greatest joy and challenge in my life was the beautiful relationship with my wife. It really saddens me that young people are struggling with this. They are required to overcome the destructive social messages that as man & women they must be the 'same' and be competitors.
There was an aspect of our relationship that was more important than even feelings of love. We treated each other with respect and lifted each other up. We celebrated and leaned on my masculinity & her femininity. When times got tough we were united. You won't get that level of joy & closeness just living together. The commitment of marriage is what brings that level of deep joy & intimacy.
So true, its almost like wasted potential sometimes, as if there back to being teenagers. Its as if they they have all this potential and energy, but they don't do anything useful or of benefit to others with it.
Best content I've seen on RUclips this year. Well done to JP and all participants.
thank you for having the integrity and courage to speak about this
I'm not a conservative, but the advice only to have sex with people you are willing to have a child with sounds very reasonable to me.
So, very refreshing to hear common sense truths taking the center stage. As someone said below-" These discussions need to happen everywhere", as we are swimming in an unchecked wokeness misinformation sea of total insanity.
Absolutely!
These conversations are amazing and refreshing. By now have watched several and I noticed a problem: it is so much more to say on every topic from each individual and so much to comprehend for each other from given speeches that it seems impossible to
Agreed! There is so much more that could be said on all these topics. We just wanted to start the conversation.
@@arc_conferenceWe’re grateful for that. Hopefully humanity revises itself.
Thanks so much Dr Jordan Peterson for all you do. Your two 12 Rules For Life books "Antidote To Chaos" and "Beyond Order" have helped me so much since I read them twice each in quick succession this spring. The ARC is a great concept and I am staying up all night watching some of these speeches which have been uploaded to You Tube for more of us to enjoy. Much appreciated. Such an impressive group of speakers from all walks of life. I plan to donate to the ARC soon.
This is something that has bewildered me for years. I see all these 'empowered women' who constantly complain about why they can't find a good guy, while simultaneously doing everything they can to be anything but what a decent functional man would want in any way shape or form.
How does someone convince themselves that being an angry, neurotic, toxic, confrontational, obesely dysfunctional toad is what any sort of functional guy will want?
One of the most destructive aspects of the modern social manipulation is to convince everyone that they "are who/what they are" and that to control oneself or actively work on making yourself something different or like what you WANT then you are wrong and denying yourself or suppressing your true self. Absolutely BS, like yes people are influenced by their environment but ultimately by my observation people are only what THEY make themselves.
Feminism has crippled many of these women, in the almost cult like fashion that it has that I fear mother nature has already selected them for extinction.
Seriously..... It's truly, truly tragic. For both men and women. We don't even know how to interact anymore. 😢
Something that always blows my mind about modern western relationships is the physicality of them. I've been in so many relationships and have been in many sexual situations yet still maintained my abstinence. It's not impossible and it also eliminated the hormones and accidental pregnancies out of the relationship equation.
For women especially, if you know men want physicality so badly, why would you give it to them before they prove their fidelity and loyalty to you. If a guy can't keep it in his pants for a few months of dating, how can you possibly think that it is true love?? If he will allow physicality within a short time frame to determine whether he will be with you, why would you think that this person deserves you.
I grew up in the sixties and saw the sexual revolution destroying the latter part of childhood with kids being obsessed with sex at the first drop of puberty.
that's just nature ....
it's driven by hormones, just like hunger...
It’s interesting that there was a repeat of the big push again .
As much as I love these discussions dealing honestly and truthfully with these necessary and difficult subjects, there is one troubling undercurrent I find:
The emphasis on the human self to make these things happen and the view of the Transcendent as a mere "help".
Human history with all our revolutions and failures seems to indicate that humanity botches progress when the emphasis is on the self.
Moreover, if the biblical morality, ethics, and society is what this panel is aiming at (given Mr. Jordan Peterson's frequent quotations of it) then one has to follow that logic all the way right? And that logic along with the human experience tells me that the Transcendent is more than a mere help to self driven humanity. Rather, humanity is completely helpless and incapable of good apart from the Transcendent living out the human experience through individual and collective humanity.
As great as these discussions are, my fear is that we may be setting up another tyranny similar to the deconstruction of current extreme liberal ideology? Something Mr. Jordan Peterson himself indicates in his much earlier lectures dealing with Order and Chaos. Are we moving from the destruction of Chaos to the tyranny of Order based on what a few intellectuals deem as morally good and fitting for society?
Jesus is not a means to an end. He IS the end.
My understanding of the chaos/order that comes from the symbol yin/yang, and this understanding started with Dr. Peterson but I have been able to develop it profoundly by adopting it as a model for my interactions with the world, is look for the balance between chaos and order.
The symbol marks that curved line between the two as the path of balance, where you move from one to the other. There is plenty more chaos and order past that line, not to mention an eye of order inside chaos, and vice versa.
Our ancestors, with mythology, tried to show where people went too far, or not far enough, but rarely show an overly chaotic or ordered hero or archetype.
I do feel that, beautifully expressed by one of the panelists analogy of wine making, that tradition, order, should be the start point, where you or your community come from, with a healthy does of understanding the rejuvenation of that order that comes with chaos.
To your concerns about the focus on the "self", I think the example of the Amish in Pennsylvania USA, is instructive. Even I thought they were just Luddites, avoiding modernity, but in fact have a much more deliberative, and similar, manner of assessing introductions to the community as our forefathers. They ask one question: does maintain community or break it?
Yes. Absolutely this. Watching these sessions is frighteningly like watching seminars by cults where all the followers think they’re saving the world.
@@teganflyman5352 i would agree partially. They aren't sure for themselves what the best would be but there should be an incremental process of redirecting values and beliefs to a flourishing society. This panel isnt dogmatic at all. To ask questions and to seek answers in this rapidly changing environment.
That's why it is so important for society to not only have, but understand, an overarching collective morality. Christianity has provided that in many places, especially in the west, for centuries. Have we always followed it? No. We're human and we're stupid 😛. But the morality was, for the most part held up as something to which to aim, and on which to build the foundations of our societies. That became more the case over time. We're rapidly throwing that away now, and we have no idea the repercussions of this. We take a lot for granted here in the western world. This morality is being replaced with.... whatever goes. And as I said, we're human and we're stupid. Scary. Pray.🙏🏼
it's very nice to see people speaking about what I'm also writing and preaching about
I wish more people would be willing to openly discuss this topic, its a great challenge of our time, and I don't think its a coincidence that immediately after the sexual revolution we see huge spikes in mental illness and depression across all countries.
you can't prove that it's more than a coincidence
@@robinsss and you can't prove it isn't. But because your side doesn't even want to talk about it I'm more inclined to believe the people that are.
@@kylemohs8728
it's your job to prove that the sexual revolution caused spikes in mental illness
because you made the statement so the burden of proof is on you
I would argue its more of a willingness to classify mental illnesses and speak about depression unabashedly, we're not the first generation that is worried about the world we're just the first not buying the propaganda that everything will be okay if we don't address the elephants in our rooms
@@robinsss Kids need parents..... if they live without parents, kids may develop poverty plus also autism because these kids end up in orphanage homes. The orphanage homes give the kids food and shelter but not the confidence in mental development, the kids need parents who will tell them, you are skilled you did this very well, you have a talent you should continue...... As Dr. Bruce Lipton said these kids shut down emotionally to protect themselves from the outer world.
If parents care only about pleasure and sex then they are unavailable for kids, or the kids will repeat the same patterns, because of mirror neurons in the brain.
Mirror neurons make people mimic the behavior of other people.
The religions gave answers to these issues over and over. But for the modern people who are atheists or not familiar with spiritual practices these simple things are like revelations
Are religious people just better people? Explain to me, so I can start to understand.
Kind of, like he explains in the beginning its the death of God. Now people worship mother nature, which as it turns out hates women more than men and, still doesn't care for humanity as a whole anyway.
If only everybody could actually get religion, that would be great. Instead, we have masses of people who can only pretend to not lose Pascal's Wager.
As per bishop Fulton Sheen,
"There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be."
True.
@@pera.j.andersson No, no. But when one learns about religious Truth, it can completely alter one's worldview. Suddenly, things such as those discussed here make good sense. ❤
Great discussion. I'm glad you publish these, as they put words to my thoughts.
Thanks for this work!! This is essential!!
This is wonderful. I enjoyed the conversation very much. I do think many people confuse sex with love. They certainly aren’t the same.
This is amazing!!!
Thank God for THIS new organization by some of greatest thinkers!! 🙏
Great thinkers ?
Kevin McCarthy and Michael Gove ?
Are you serious !?
This forum is just final proof that Jordan Peterson has lost all touch with reality.
His battles with Trudeau and with his professional body have fried his brain, it's time for him to step back and take his seat by "the sunny window" with all the other burned out geriatrics.
2:32 "a line a reader sent me from, of all places, a book about wine making: 'Taditions are experiments that worked."
This is truly brilliant. I mean utterly brilliant. Well said.
I want these people to be my government.
Don't let anything stop from spreading this message to everyone!
This is great conversations!
I'd be much happier with the Sexual Revolution if the result was people being happier. I'm sure there are cases where people are happier, especially in the short term, but the damage done in terms of the spread of disease, the large increase in fatherlessness and damage to institutions like marriage and family has spread a great deal of misery.
Speak for yourself! I’m happy; and almost everyone I know is happy-or at least has only problems NOT caused by the “sexual revolution”. We’ve enjoyed dating and relationships; and those who want families now have them, after reaching a suitable age.
The most important aspect of the sexual revolution, imo, is that it gave women control over their reproduction; when and if to have children. This has had a huge positive impact on women, men, children and society as a whole.
@@terry9238You are happy because you are fulfilling your selfish desires. You will not be happy about the consequences of your actions in the long term.
@@fatmonkey4716 Go and ask Margaret Sanger's mother how wonderful the pre revolution times were.
@@skylinefever Is she in the room with you?
The social mores around sexuality were seen as a ceiling we were bashing our heads against. Turns out, we were standing on our heads, and it was the floor. Now we are in free fall.
Wow, how poetically put! Thank you! 🙏🏼
But in our respect for traditions and culture, we must also acknowledge that they are not constants but actually have been morphing to what they are today. That almost makes trying to keep them unchanged also unnatural..
If it ain't broke, don't fix it and test everything NEW and only hold fast to the good found in it
Maybe repost the video later on with improved audio. Some people dont hear very well and this talk, although great, was very hard to listen. Thanks for everybody that made this event possible and cheers from Brazil!!
I’ve been taught that pray, pray, pray for protection on these leaders, and for God to show us how he will use each one of us using our experience, strength and hope.
Amen
I believe it is a requirement for an individual to live a celibate life in order to truly understand what they are asking of people whose relationships or circumstances they are bewildered by, the same way an alcoholic would be an ineffective guru for the advocation of a lifestyle of sobriety. We see in societies around the world married men who cannot comprehend the loneliness of a person who is not allowed to be married - who have become drunken on the streams of love - advocating for sobriety and restraint from intoxication without being able to offer solutions or meaningful guidance. I think there is a strong element of derangement when people who do not experience deprivation of companionship or would not be able to manage it well themselves expect it of those around them, especially when this mindset is combined with judgemental beliefs.
This has in some ways been responsible for the bizarre fallacy in which some people believe that the foundation of any alternative relationship type to their own must always be unregulated hedonistic pleasure as opposed to the same elements they seek in their own desires.
In a way, people are playing a strange game of validation in a way that isn't necessarily harmonious with the world and rather than appreciating the human experience, people manifest existential dilemma and anxiety over the thought that the human experience is not universally identical.
I do not believe a same sex relationship is one that needs to ever be extenuated or vindicated from a moral perspective, because morality is extraneous in the context of a healthy relationship. I also do not believe there is any wisdom in the predication that a same-sex relationship will never be filling or complete, because this involves an assumption of homogeneity in the relationship structures of same couples. The preferences that determine the texture of a relationship do not determine the outcome of the relationship in question, the motivation for starting it does and it would be folly to subscribe to any predication that the motive is always hedonistic if there are a wide sample of different motivations to start relationships.
Judging is very easy, it can be subconsciously automated with little effort, it could be argued that the greatest vice of mankind is the arrogance than manifests from the hubris in believing his judgements are always correct.
To free oneself from attachment and live without companionship is laborious and requires immense constitution, conviction and control of the ego, in such a way that it is worthy of utmost respect, it is a highly disciplined lifestyle and an endurance test of the spirit against the insanity of loneliness and estrangement of desire, from a spiritual perspective its a very brave life and an extraordinary commitment to soul growth - however there is a massive juxtaposition of logic in which the idea of a same sex couple refraining from sexual activity and freeing themselves from desire, in the same manner as a monk, is treated with less respect than a same sex individual converting and reattaching themselves to the desire of a heterosexual relationship.
The material attachment to the political idea of the ideal family has blindsided people and enveloped people in unfounded distain for their neighbours based on biases towards certain preferences, so many societies around the world have consequently been fractured by their violent delights towards people who are estranged from conceps of normality based around those same biases.
Jesus tried to teach people to forgive eachother, which doesn't mean to look at the world through a lens of sin and immorality and judge silently, but rather to free the mind from the toxicity of judgement and in doing so seek redemption and clarity in understanding one another on a spiritual level; knowing that love is the greater purpose within the universe, all of existence is designed to be loved and forgiveness is an effective means of replacing conflict with harmony. When that message is diluted and poorly extrapolated by religious institutions, with political motives, we become entangled in concepts of morality without experiencing empathy and that is the basis in which cruelty originates from. A society that doesn't understand divinity cannot utilize divinity and that's where religion has failed to provide guidance and reasonable council on such matters, without recklessly endangering people to hopelessness and despair.
Maybe one of the reasons so many people platformize Jesus and expect him to come back is because they know inside their hearts they can't make the same sacrifices he would have done for the people they like to judge so voraciously, its much easier to obsess than it is to integrate.
After all, we can discuss ad infinitum whether same sex couples should be in relationships and marry one another, but how many people would be willing to let go of their own marriage, relationship, family, all attachments in order to guide a fellow neighbour through dark times when asking them to abandon their attachments?
The biggest human cost in the emergence of sexual freedom has nothing to do with any perceived societal detriment of sexual freedom, it is rather that all of the conflict that has arisen over many generatios of chasing different paradigms for the ego has amounted to little more than mankind spiritually severed and enslaved by the ego; people are so infatuated with lack of harmony that they are unable to fully see eachother as being part of a larger consmic mechanism outside of narcissistic beliefs about the self and that is why the political nature of modern civilization encompasses beliefs about the identity on a scale that burdens spiritual development. People don't understand that they are on different spiritual journeys, so they seek conflict and estrangement, they become dogmatic and fall into echo chambers without growing wiser and questioning their ideals. People cling to philosophy instead of finding a healthy balance between integration and obsession and consequently we have diluted the beauty of human existence by constraining it and so we have a hypocritical civilization that questions the authenticity of desire while indulging in desire and we are a society enslaved by the perpetual need for individual validation at the expense of harmony.
To look into the eyes of another person and see the divine rather than the demons we assume eachother to be sometimes is the true test of enlightenment.
Way smarter than these panellists claim to be
I find this kind of thoughtful counterpoint necessary and helpful. There is a spectrum in human nature that must be acknowledged. As social beings we must negotiate those aspects in others that may be disturbing to us but perfectly suited to them. It's far too easy to blanket everyone under the same rules. Ultimately, informed, well thought out alternatives must be allowed to coexist with the mainstream ideas of culture. Individuals should be allowed to make the best choice for themselves regardless of what traditions say. And if society prioritized turning its members into better decision makers then their individual choices would be more respected. Divergent is not necessarily deviant.
@@ericsmith3723 I often think about how every social change will have outcasts and those left behind. If there is no accomodation for such people, it is like saying "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. If you are the few, screw you!"
Not very man who is single or not in a relationship is gay you pervert! Historically men have always found it difficult to have a partner and a family than women. Recent genetic studies suggest almost twice as many prehistoric women than men have successfully reproduced. We as a society need to have empathy for these men who can't or not able to partner for various reasons and channel their energies into other useful pursuits like how they had monasteries in the past rather than just mocking and deriding them as "incels" as has become the trend. Treat the downtrodden men among with empathy or they will be the in the front row to burn society down at the opportune moment.
Not very man who is single or not in a relationship is gay you pervert! Historically men have always found it difficult to have a partner and a family than women. Recent genetic studies suggest almost twice as many prehistoric women than men have successfully reproduced. We as a society need to have empathy for these men who can't or not able to partner for various reasons and channel their energies into other useful pursuits like how they had monasteries in the past rather than just mocking and deriding them as "incels" as has become the trend. Treat the downtrodden men among you with empathy or they will be the in the front row to burn society down at the opportune moment.
My 14 year old announced he has a
girlfriend and that he wanted to go to the cinema with her. They had their first kiss after their third date. I was horrified when he came home with love bites/hickeys all over his neck. Apparently this was his girlfriend’s first kiss too. Now my son is asking me if his girlfriend can sleep over. I feel woefully ill equipped to communicate with them in a way that they will actually understand the importance of virginity and sexual sanctity. They are just so young. Where did she get the idea that a first kiss is supposed to be so explosive and aggressive. I feel like locking him up. God give me strength to navigate this
i think the best should be to talk about it in an adult manner. if he is 14 years old and wants to do adult stuff, talk to him like an adult with all its consequences. else youll be grandpa/grandma in no time if those individuals arent mature enough.
You choose to empower him by giving him food and shelter. Your house your choice, dismiss what anyone else thinks.
... two income problems of getting a house ... or a place to park four cars ... or the unintegrated public transport costs of living in London ... or any UK city ... there are some cheaper houses in the fields, without railway lines, but that requires a motorbike or a car ... after a year travelling on a bus you favour the car ... which is why you never use a bus or a train? ... the convenient stress of a car ...
You are righteous /spiritual intellectuals.My salute and admiration
Glad to see greek traditions of oral discussions getting resurrected. Assigning a moderator, dedicated protagonist, and antagonist in addition to the experts in the field, as well as some guests from the other areas to expand the prospective, would have greatly improved the quality.
the resonant echo-chambers of loud woke have drowned out this part of the discourse - mutual familiarisation and affirmation is likely necessary first
In other words-conservatives need “safe spaces” where they don’t have to hear anyone who disagrees with them? LOL!
#snowflakes
We dont need antagonists right now, our entire culture including every pillar of society: education, media, government, entertainment, etc are the antagonists on the other side, and we’ve heard their arguments over and over for the last 50 years. We don’t need to waste time hearing their propaganda for the millionth time.
I agree, but we cant join the dark side. We cant censor no matter how worthless an arguement, and hope with good discussion he change minds.
@@Beth-77- This!
Freedom and responsibility go hand in hand. They are inseparable - so true; realizing it in my early 20s (got off the pill and started managing my fertility) possibly helped me avoid many unpleasant relationships;
My grandmother told me 40 years ago: never forget, the French Revolution is the greatest error of times and all problems of today have their seeds in it...today I understand...
What sort of world would we live in were it not for the French Revolution? Genuinely curious
@@aimhigh3701 A world where technology and tradition may have meshed less horribly than the one we have today.
@@algardaus 👍
English Historian Professor David Starkey, often talks about the disaster French Revolution on his RUclips podcast. As the root cause of our problems.
@@aimhigh3701This might help. Professor Stark explains the French issue a lot! youtube.com/@davidstarkeytalks?si=Us30s0gtyFdmrpsZ.
Generally its the French Revolution belief all men and women are born equal and free. Only that society is to blame. If society can be changed then true equality can come to be. Over the centuries this morphs into Liberalism, then socialism, communism, and eventually wokism.
If men and women are equal, then changing sex shouldn't be a problem with surgery. As with the idea all women should be on the birth control pill. So they can be like men. Jordan Peterson explains all this far better than I can in his 12 Rules For Life book. If I remember think it's specifically in Chapter 8.🤔.
If the French Revolution didn't happen. I cannot know for sure what 2023 would be like. Something more akin back to what Edmund Burke envisioned I suppose. Another RUclips called WhatAltHist does history what if videos on similar topics.
I hope my little comment helps somewhat.😢
Beautiful conversation.🙏
I wonder how many high schools would allow these discussions to be shared with students.
As a HS teacher, I would. I will post it on social media for my other teacher friends to see :) - if they even can at this point.
In Canada where they have drag queens reading storytime to Kindergarteners, I imagine a presentation like this would be deemed equal to.....(I won't even write it because yt would delete my post).
Real discussion involving all aspects of human nature and culture. Proper analysis without the political narrative to squelch ideas and discussion. Understanding problems in their completeness is key to fixing problems. Too many people are trying to solve problems with idiology or one sided beliefs.
All of this 💙
When Jordan said, "gratify our hedonic desires at lunch."
That got me. That was too much.
This guy!
ARC is the heat
I've been saying it for years and am fully aware of how preposterous it sounds to so many who believe in the sexual revolution: if you are not willing to have a child and create a family with the person who is the other potential parent - don't have sex.
Yuuuuup I never had sex with a woman I'm not willing to have a child with, and it's always the end of the relationship when I realize that I'm not. Taken a few years but I've come to understand what to look for BEFORE I have sex with a woman so now I just don't lol we shall see what the future looks like
😂😅😢😂😂😂
Outside the confines of a relationship, as in a real relationship ship requiring commitment, sex should not be a factor. As the cleche goes, WAIT! just chill and wait till you have a relationship built first.
That’s fine for you, but don’t impose your choices on others.
@@learningisfun2108 Ķskskakak
Wishes do come true!! Jordan Peterson & Mary Harrington together, with Louise Perry as an added bonus. They could be reading the telephone directory for all I care. Such a treat to see them together!!
Hopefully the pendel will bounce back. People with attachlent-issues in childhood is difficult to change. They often have a lifelong search for someone to ‘love’ them, and have lack of self-insight. And modern world embrace this as ‘normal’
I think our skewed view of sexuality has become too deep and ingrained for any pendulum to swing back. It's so sad, but I think it's true.
I'm glad this was on my feed. Pure gold!
I could say a great deal, but brilliant is what I'll say. I applaud the virtuosity of all sitting on the panel - experts all.
5:15 heres the thing with single mothers. I’ve known a few and just off the top of my head.
One had five kids to three men she left them and made sure they had very little to no contact with them.
Two got divorced because the husbands cheated, one kept in contact and gave unlimited access to the kids, the other had the courts declare him unfit.
One fell pregnant to her drug dealer.
One threw her husband out because she said he was an idiot.
One had a bloke get her pregnant because she wanted a kid, and two years later she did it again, she said “well he fathered the first so he might as well do the second”
I’ve known quite a few over the years and they all bitch about having to raise kids on their own but they also fought tooth an nail to make sure the fathers didn’t get custody.
In one case the child was sick and required special care, the father was given custody because he could provide that care. The mother drove across the country, kidnapped the child and drove back. The police told the father not to worry, by the time we get a court to agree to an extradition the kid will be dead and off your hands.
I know two suburbs which are well known for women to use child birth as an alternative to working. Pump out kids and get child support, the more kids the more money.
So while there are lots of legitimate cases of relationships going bad, there are a lot of women deliberately putting themselves in that position.
If there are this many fatherless children in the world with birth control, how many would there be without it?
Geez, that's astounding. Stories like those anger me and at the same time break my heart! All those poor kids, seen and treated as nothing more than commodities.
The problem here, is that universal use of contraception has created a mindset in which situations like these are fostered. We've collectively and conceptually broken the bond between sex and having babies. Sex isn't only for having babies, obviously, but we've completely re-created what we view sex to be. The idea of the family unit has become nothing more than an outdated idea. And it hasn't done good things for women, men, children and society at large!
Without contraception, we'd have a greater respect for sex (meaning a better understanding of what it is and the power it has). Would these women be so open to having sex with whoever, and whenever, if they knew that each act could likely lead to pregnancy? Without contraception, would we not be forced to hold men to a higher standard and thus expect them to control themselves and be responsible for their actions? If there was no contraception, wouldn't it be obviously best for a woman to be in a committed, contractual relationship with the father of her children so she's not left and/or automatically expected to raise these kids by herself? Wouldn't we need to hold men more accountable for their actions? Wouldn't we need to hold women more accountable for their actions?
And perhaps most importantly, without contraception, rather than being unwanted surprises in a world where sex is nothing but a game, wouldn't we see children as something that has gone right instead of terribly wrong as a result of having sex? Maybe seen more as gifts rather than inconvenient fallout from some purposeless act? Just some thoughts 🤷🏽♀️
Reaching 50 and barely realizing that my generation was put through a social experiment. The reality? We have been groomed to please predators. I wish we could go back and rebuild those Chesterton fences to protect the generation to come. It's enough that 2 generations have been sacrificed since the late 60's.
Jordan you are soo articulate. I wish i could organise and articulate my ideas the same way you do. I feel i am mentally incapable...
I saw the arc conference last night at the O2 arena in London, was amazing! I could tell the crowd ( and me) was so happy hear messages of hope and encouragement for the future
Welcome to the brand new alternate version of WEF!
I think we try to overcomplicate issues. It's a you can't cut your cake and eat it too. This whole discussion the idea of sacrificing what you want for what you really need is not really brought up. The reality is you just can't have it all.
Thanks for a great discussion!
When I think of Stephen's acorn analogy, I have to wonder if humans are any different because we are self-aware and reasoning. Is this time of seemingly great upheaval where there is so much controversy, war, loneliness etc etc any different than what any other species must thrive or die in. We like to think we have some level of control because we are conscious and believe we are self determined to some extent but take any slice of human history and how much do we really control anything. The Pil cant be more than a fraction of a second of the human clock. The entire industrial revolution a minute or two. Even nuclear Armageddon wouldn't be very long in geological and evolutionary terms. We want to shape and control so badly that we suffer every life wrinkle like it's of epic significance. Frame this all against an ice age or super volcano or large meteor strike and these great social struggles become less than mesquito bites. Still, during our time we will hoe and mow and weed and cultivate trying to grow, shape and maintain the idealic human lawn thinking we will have some great lasting impact. Someday hence, wokism and so many other important struggles will have been just another dry spell or heavy rain and won't even be anotated.
Peace all!
"Traditions are experiments that worked" needs a deeper examination, (if "worked" means for the betterment of society) I mean in the Western context where hundred-year-old traditions are proven to be the main stronghold and basis for the society to thrive, the line is completely valid. But in other cultures, like mine, a lot of traditions that survive for hundreds of years are simply the systems created by the elites to conserve the structures that benefitted them. I'm talking about the tribal tradition of a native in my country, traditions are the main constraints for the society to thrive.
"sex with someone on the condition that he absolutely does not become the father of your children that's probably a really good indication that you shouldn't be having sex with him" Amen to that 😉
*THE TRANSHUMANIST REVOLUTION*
Straight out of a science fiction novel but this is the time I was born in and its extremely interesting.
Arc is a clever name. In writing a character arc is flat, negative or positive. Flat is when the character has never really changed from before to after in their interactions with others who may start out well and devolve or start out in dire straits and evolve or improve their plight. Usually there is an impact event or character that is linked to a plot twist of taking an idea or event that drama changes the thinking or behaviour of the character or person in the story. Everything discussed by this panel has likely been explained to each viewer differently by their own experience of teachers, parents or culture. Academics have slight vocal advantages over regular folk in expressing their opinions or reasons for aligning to conclusions. Age old wisdom in life experiences can lead to vast differences in opinion whe the youth are exposed to ideas that may not have existed in their parents generation, the critical advantage of the youth is they can rewrite their future more easily than their parents or grandparents if they are so lucky to still have them. The risk is having inward thinking regulated by external legal or academic institutions who fail to meet the prerequisite standards of moral convictions themselves yet preach thought policing ideas upon a subject that intersects human liberty and freedom at the expense of whim based movements that are often not what they appear and just like a menu is the the food, or you can’t drink the word water, intellectual ideas agreed upon by smart niche groups have both removed cigarettes from airplanes and created holocausts. We are capable of both dualities. This is the unfortunate human condition that may be difficult to hold up to a mirror, yet we should all at the very least own a clean, high quality mirror with integrated well balanced instructions on how to properly use our reflection and re-order those interpretations that could devolve a whim experience into a chaos that would have asymmetrical long term effects that we at present cannot comprehend. A percentage of people will always be too hedonistic or freedom loving to the collective and their tolerance of extreme rules limiting their ability to have the right to express themselves without trampling on the spiritual or moral considerations of others is the most difficult equation to overcome but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t discuss it, or try to understand it, for inherent within our own systems of being human are the most effective problem solving technologies that got us this far. How can we not be candidates for greater understanding when are capable of connecting to an infinite intelligent cosmos full of possibilities and potential that we are yet to discover. At least we have that to consider.
The analogy about the acorn and the type of soil that Mr. Stephen Blackwood shared reminds me of the bible, but also on why after 12 years in Canada me and my wife decided to to take our kids from there and to return to Macedonia. The soil (majority of people especially younger generation) in Canada is poisoned by the school system with the idea of having absolute hedonistic freedom without any boundaries. We are all living limited lives in time and in space.
Everyone understands the general idea that we have limited sources as humans when it comes to the amount of Oxygen in the atmosphere, or fresh water or what pollution does to natural processes. Still, most of the people rather refuse to acknowledge the same principle about sexual experiences and raising emotionally, mentally and spiritually healthy children. Most of the pushers for absolute sexual liberty do not understand that there are respectable amount of people who are descusted of the idea of sleeping with people who are not exclusive in both sexual and in emotional sense. Should such people have the right to feel that way. Isn't that also their fundamental right. The last pandemic's mortality rate was not as deadly as some some STD's are (AIDS, Hepatitis...) but it was natural to allow keeping a distance for the sake of the people who don't want to be exposed to the virus. Same principle must be applied for the freedom of those who have phobias of sexually liberal individuals.
Love love love this topic! Thank you ARC
We find ourselves at a crossroads, at the intersection of technology and basic human instincts. The technological revolution has provided humanity with unprecedented freedoms, yet it has also given rise to existential questions about what constitutes our 'humanity.' The contention that we might be pushing the boundaries too far, whether in the realms of sexual freedom, hedonistic pursuits, or altering basic biological instincts, necessitates a thorough analysis.
It's a mistake to consider human nature merely as a byproduct of technological advancements. While technology can enhance our lives in numerous ways, using it to override basic human instincts can lead to a multitude of unforeseen consequences. For example, the discussion around the pill and natural family planning touches on the fundamental issue of intervening in biological processes. Are we ready to bear the psychological and societal repercussions of such actions?
Technological interventions cannot replace a deeply rooted system of values or the complexity of human emotions and reactions. Engineering ourselves to avoid guilt or moral complexities doesn't inherently lead to a better society. We're missing the point if we think technology can solve issues that are fundamentally human.
The risk of adopting a purely hedonistic approach, underpinned by transhumanist ideologies, is high. Human happiness and fulfillment come from a balance of freedom and responsibility. Therefore, the key lies not in overriding our natural limits, but in understanding them better to create a culture that facilitates genuine human flourishing.
Fantastic. Brilliant conversation Well done. Thankyou for this truthful insightful enlightening discussion.
Dr. Peterson has such a creative and lively rhetoric gesture it looks almost like sign language.
The whole panel is very insightful. I'm impressed about the strong counter arguments against official woke shit unfolding in governments and our culture.
It's got nothing to do with sexual freedom at all. It's the fact that parents can't actually be parents. Raising children has become such an expensive endeavour that both parents work full time jobs and then spend their free time doing the chores required to run a home and taking the children to things like sports or music practice etc, leaving little to no time to bond and play a more active role as theyre often exhausted. Kids "need" more stuff than ever before. It's harder again for single parents who, often have left relationships which were physically or mentally unsustainable. I'm not saying abusive. If you're unhappy, doing it for kids doesn't actually help the kids either as deeply unhappy parents aren't good for kids either.
Further to this, what's being taught to children has radically changed as well. Children are given everything they want without having to work for anything. They're not taught how to think; they're simply given an answer. They don't really discipline anymore and there seem very few consequences to bad behaviour. Maybe start here and the sexual issues will simply resolve themselves.
Indeed. I joke about how many children exist because the Idiocracy can't remember a condom or pill, and end up raising kids.
I once overheard a conversation at work between two young, single guys about the woman one of them was dating and what "return he was getting on his investment" sexually. The other guy thought it was time the first one should move on since it had been five dates and she hadn't put out for him.
What this means to me is that there hasn't been an end to cultural norms for sex but a new set of them. One of these was that if this young lady wanted to hold on to this relationship, she should gratify the guy or lose him to a more willing partner. Under these new norms, he is entitled.
So, exactly where is HER sexual freedom?
The old way said you shouldn't, but the new way basically says you have to!
HER sexual freedom is a myth. Women were manipulated with the pill, feminism, today's indoctrination of being sex positive etc. When you think about even the concept of sexual freedom is odd.
Her sexual freedom comes from choosing not to have sex with him, the consequence being she loses what she wants which is a relationship (albeit it seems like that was not something he could or wanted to offer her), but the guy loses having sex with her. The formula works, and has since the get go (either you both win together or lose separately) the sexual revolution thought it knew a better way...clearly it didn't.
If he was serious about the relationship, he would want what’s best for her. Otherwise, he is doing her a favour by moving on.
Yes, but for many women - the men that don't want to rush are considered 'Freaks and turn offs.
(because I am interested in the actual human intimacy first)
Was she forced to do anything? Was she coerced? No? Two men were discussing relationships among themselves and you automatically go ''that is wrong''. The guy is also free to look elsewhere if he thinks a relationship is a dead end. Freedom goes both ways.
Jared Diamond's COLLAPSE examines how modern versus traditional, primitive societies function and tries to determine what the modern society should have kept, tradition wise, and what is okay to discard or replace. It all comes down to conditioning and currently we are being conditioned heavily to be consumer hedonists with no greater goal for the society than get richer than the other guy. The Sexual Revolution, from one who lived through most of the early days (unlike our commentators who weren't even born then,) marked a defining moment in our history where, for the first time ever, women were no longer slaves and servants only to their biological functions. We now have women in all areas of society and growing in more, making huge and significant contributions to society. You have to understand, that was virtually nonexistant when I was young! I see that as excellent progress for the species. We still have to surmount the other changes wrought by the Sexual Revolution but give it time. After all, the Pill was the modern equivalent of the printing press or the splitting of the atom; an event which creates waves in society that take decades to calm, reslove and integrate. One thing is for sure- a wholesale return to the days b4 the Pill is a horrible idea that would set us all back, especially women.
Every video from this conference is amazing.
Thank you very much!
This discussion simply breaks my brain. If I understood correctly, nowadays more men walk away from children because of women taking The Pill (which means there isn't a child in the first place to walk away from) than there used to be men who walked away from their children back when the woman became pregnant. So apparently the problem of children without fathers is now more prevalent because the children don't exist in the first place...? And further, this is somehow a detriment to women, as now they lack a child that the father would walk away from, when it would have been better for them if they'd been an unwed single mother? The only way this discussion makes sense is if there was some perfect idyllic past that never existed. Read "The Canterbury Tale" if for nothing else, or talk to ANYONE in your family. Single motherhood is not some new post-Sexual Revolution thing. Or are they arguing that children were better off growing up in orphanages as the single mothers simply pretended that there was never a father that walked off...? This whole discussion simply breaks my brain in its complete denial of reality.
Sure there were always women who belonged to the streets. But now they are put on a pedestal and live on the taxpayers dime. A courtesy which is not extended to destitute men if you see.
@@defaultuser9423They've always been women forced onto the streets yes that's true. In Victorian times, it was with the husband's full knowledge as they needed the money.
Great points aimed at primarily my demographic of women living in modern day western societies, although what they fail to consider is the enormous power the pill has given to women in less privileged societies where women have less rights or in countries where there are civil wars and mass rapes take place, the pill has saved so many women from unwanted and dangerous pregnancies or in poorer countries where husbands and wifes just want to have agency in their family planning.
I personally would never take anything that altered my hormones BUT I will alway respect we are all different and have different experiences and lifestyles and so will always stand up for citizens to make informed choices and have those available to them
And an innocent baby should pay the price?
@@CH-WisdomThe birth control pill and morning after pill prevents pregnancy from occurring so there is no baby as it makes the woman temporarily infertile.
@@CH-WisdomShe's talking about birth control, not abortion.
we cannot unknow nuclear physics or the sex hormone pharmaceuticals and neither are without huge potential benefit, this forum is highlighting the downside of them as adjustments to suffering and chaos
In those specific scenarios I think its safe to say the pill or lack of is not the problem. In other words I'm pretty sure people in Gaza and Ukraine right now aren't begging for the pill over there.
How do we get the people in on this conversation?
Great conversation but we need to get the direct audio from the mics at the panel. Up that audio quality to match the content quality 👍