LK misremembered how Shadow characters supers work. They ALWAYS have access to desperation supers not just when in shadow frenzy. They also can't cancel supers into supers it's just characters like Naoto can naturally link those two supers
@@Sylvergunner mid tier, but still really fun if you like bs mix ups and IK combos, which is why I main her I also main Rise, who's a bit more actually fair and balanced
Yeah... thankfully he got called out for this mistake (though it's a fair mistake to make since shadow characters aren't all that common and the game is old) Also hi Dregun
@@mngo3598 i played both games when they came out and didnt like Ultimax as much sry. Didnt like the changes they did and did not like the shadow characters.
personally I feel in 1.1 S.Chie does have a viable use she is somewhat like S.Naoto where you set up a plan to decimate the opponent difference it involves Chie to max charge and god's hand unblocked which could screw her over but you can do it in a combo with agneystra and keep them at a choke point to pull it off. I do hear people talk about her more than S.Teddie
While shadow chie can get a ik in 1.1 she struggles against all the top tiers because her normals (yu minazuki mitsuru) she can struggle to land a hit to pop shadow mode
@@mon_tizzle4110 arguably that's more or less a flaw with the normal version as well who also can't really make full use of charge (unless awakening mode which admittedly for most characters you don't want to rely on that) so it ends up being a "would you rather" scenario a defensive burst but who can only do insane damage if with low hp circumstances or able to do insane damage without hp restrictions with no burst
I’ve only ever experienced p4au is through the rpcs3 emulator and while I’ve got some nasty combos I have never actually played against another person so I am terrified
Don't worry it won't have rollback on release, so you don't even have to buy the game. Seriously though, wtf are Sega and Atlus on? First VF5 now this, why do they want to kill their fighting games with bad netcode?
@@rachetmarvel931 well Altus said that they announced this game when they did because of p4g hitting a million sales on steam. I’m pretty sure they’re going to release rollback once a certain purchase threshold is released. Not defending this behavior because it fucking sucks but that’s just my take on why they’re not releasing it with rollback at launch
@@rachetmarvel931 It looks like they're releasing it for the JRPG audience that played P4G more than they are for us FG players. The game might sell decently well despite no rollback because of this.
Shadows actually have access to awakening supers all the time, but the damage is nerfed on them, so it's very good still but not as impactful as your typical awakening super when it hits
I have a question, is this game worth buying just for the singleplayer content? As weird as it sounds I don't usually play multiplayer mode on fighting games becuase I suck at them and I was wondering if this game has solid singleplayer content (and maybe with some training I might try online one day)
If you've beaten Persona 4 (and 3) then I would say so as the story mode is a direct sequel to both games and it's pretty long. The gameplay itself is also filled with fun flavor references from those games, and it's cool seeing Arcsys take those RPG elements and put them in a fighter. If you haven't played the RPGs though, then I don't think you would get much out of the single player imo
As someone who have played P3, P4 and both the Arena games, the single player content won't be worth it. The story is bland and boring (watered down visual novel style). The only high points of the story was Adachi's side and some events that happened with the P4 casts.
I think the story mode is pretty good by fighting game standards. It also has a pretty cool rpg like survival mode where you level up and get skills. If any fighting game is worth for single player, it's this game for persona fans
Don’t shadows also have +200 hp and -20% damage dealt? I had heard that was part of what made S. Naoto so good is she basically ignored the damage penalty with her IK gameplan and got a good bit more survivability out of it too, or did 2.0 remove this?
They have +2000 not 200 and you are correct about the damage nerf. They reduced the extra HP to 1000/500 in 2.0 (depending on the character) but also lowered the damage nerf from -20% to -10%
I only played the first game so I was hyped to see that p4u getting ported but the more I hear about the changes in later versions the less hype I am for the game also no rollback yet.
From my understanding everyone has a shadow form right? Are the other shadow characters just that bad compared to higher tiered ones? I just dont understand what the main reason of them not being used is. Are the non shadow forms of certain characters just that much better? Anything helps. Great vids as always LordKnight
Almost everyone. It depends on the character of they're better or not. Some aren't as practical the normal versions but some are kinda nuts like chie who uses frenzy and deals 70%plus. Its a big trade off for awakening tho
Not everyone has a shadow form. Elizabeth, Sho, Minazuki, Shadow Labrys (who is confusing since there is both a shadow mode for Labrys and a unique Shadow Labrys character) and all of the dlc characters (Margaret, Marie, Adachi) don't have shadow modes
Shadow characters trade defensive options and a good comeback tool for pure offense. They lose access to Burst (get out of jail card) and Awakening (free meter and innate buffs which auto trigger after reaching yellow life). In exchange they get Shadow Frenzy which gives them effectively endless meter for a few seconds. They also carry meter over between rounds. The thing is, unless the Shadow character can do some super cheesy shit with Shadow Frenzy that can either kill you off one hit or put you as close to death as possible, they aren't worth the tradeoff. They can't break out of combos, they don't get that comeback chance from Awakening. If you aren't able to Touch of Death, you give up way too much defensively to be viable. That's why characters like S. Naoto and S. Chie are good - they have gimmicks that revolve around killing you in Shadow Frenzy. A character with Awakening can very easily turn the tides against a Shadow character that has spent Shadow Frenzy.
Not everyone has a shadow form. Margaret, Elizabeth, Marie, Sho, Minazuki, Adachi, and Shadow Labrys do not. And the last one wasn't a mistake, as there are 3 versions of Labrys in the game. Labrys with Ariadne, the shadow version of Labrys called Shadow Labrys (who has Ariadne), and the other Shadow Labrys. The final one I mentioned is ironically not a shadow character mechanically (only lore-wise), but a regular character that uses Asterius (the giant bull) instead of Ariadne. Most shadow characters are weaker than their regular counterparts in 1.1 due to a lack of defensive burst and nothing especially worthwhile to compensate for it. Shadow Chie, Shadow Naoto, and Shadow Mitsuru are different because they have something worthwhile. That being unburstable, borderline ToD combos and set-ups. That doesn't mean other shadow characters aren't necessarily viable, though. Shadow Narukami is certainly quite good and fun to play, but it doesn't make sense to pick him over the regular version in a tournament, for example. Shadow characters basically have to be more careful until they get the opportunity to blow you up, because they can't reset momentum with a defensive burst if they make a mistake, and the opponent doesn't have to play around the Awakening mechanic because it's not available to them. Shadows also needed to conserve meter in 1.1, as 100 meter was necessary to activate shadow berserk (the only reason to play the character). This essentially meant that shadows were limited in what they could do compared to their regular counterparts. 2.0 changed shadows by giving them defensive bursts and letting them go into shadow berserk without 100 meter, though. They also made all shadow combos unburstable, which wasn't a thing before. This is another reason why Shadow Chie, Shadow Naoto, and Shadow Mitsuru were the most used in 1.1. Because, as I said before, their insane damage also just so happened to be unburstable by nature of how it functioned. But this wasn't the case for most shadow characters. Hopefully that cleared everything up for you. Edit: Didn't mean to repeat almost verbatim what some other people said. I responded before I refreshed the page to see other comments, so I didn't know.
with delay, depending on where you live, it can be impossible to find decent connections in the hours that you play. bad connections make it so you can’t experience the gameplay and characters as they were intended. rollback is needed to broaden the range of acceptable connections. it’s not rocket science
I remember pulling off the one S.Yosuke reset combo as a kid and was so hyped. I still have it on my iPad LOL.
LK misremembered how Shadow characters supers work. They ALWAYS have access to desperation supers not just when in shadow frenzy. They also can't cancel supers into supers it's just characters like Naoto can naturally link those two supers
Shadow Naoto is fair and balanced.
@@seanr.6498 shes mid tier
@@Sylvergunner mid tier, but still really fun if you like bs mix ups and IK combos, which is why I main her
I also main Rise, who's a bit more actually fair and balanced
2:50 About the desperation super, Shadows have desperation supers available at all times, even out of shadow frenzy.
Literally saw a guy do Kanji's Awakening super at round start once as shadow Kanji it was pretty funny.
Yeah... thankfully he got called out for this mistake (though it's a fair mistake to make since shadow characters aren't all that common and the game is old)
Also hi Dregun
at least we wont have put on our 240p glasses after the re-release
p4u getting announced
me: woke
p4u with no rollback
me: never mind
p4u is kinda bad anyways... I liked the original game but Ultimax is just wack
@@wh0racle3 hey buddy try playing the game first before you just trust everything LK says
@@wh0racle3 ultimates was pretty good
@@mngo3598 i played both games when they came out and didnt like Ultimax as much sry. Didnt like the changes they did and did not like the shadow characters.
Wakey Wakey we got a rollback!
is so nice to see lk got sponsored
personally I feel in 1.1 S.Chie does have a viable use she is somewhat like S.Naoto where you set up a plan to decimate the opponent difference it involves Chie to max charge and god's hand unblocked which could screw her over but you can do it in a combo with agneystra and keep them at a choke point to pull it off. I do hear people talk about her more than S.Teddie
While shadow chie can get a ik in 1.1 she struggles against all the top tiers because her normals (yu minazuki mitsuru) she can struggle to land a hit to pop shadow mode
@@mon_tizzle4110 arguably that's more or less a flaw with the normal version as well who also can't really make full use of charge (unless awakening mode which admittedly for most characters you don't want to rely on that) so it ends up being a "would you rather" scenario a defensive burst but who can only do insane damage if with low hp circumstances or able to do insane damage without hp restrictions with no burst
No roll back, no play!!
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Love that persona can say multiple characters can literally one touch you and they aren't the best.
Delay based netcode on release day, gotta hope for rollback patch down the line.
Rollback patch has already been confirmed
@@thatoneflyinghat heard Atlus is only considering it at the moment.
@@thatoneflyinghat Stop the cap.
@@thatoneflyinghat nah, it's being considered by atlus, meaning it will never happen
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I’ve only ever experienced p4au is through the rpcs3 emulator and while I’ve got some nasty combos I have never actually played against another person so I am terrified
Don't worry it won't have rollback on release, so you don't even have to buy the game.
Seriously though, wtf are Sega and Atlus on? First VF5 now this, why do they want to kill their fighting games with bad netcode?
@@rachetmarvel931 well Altus said that they announced this game when they did because of p4g hitting a million sales on steam. I’m pretty sure they’re going to release rollback once a certain purchase threshold is released. Not defending this behavior because it fucking sucks but that’s just my take on why they’re not releasing it with rollback at launch
@@skiff3714 well then nobody is gonna buy it, and it might just not get rollback.
@@rachetmarvel931 I mean VF 5 isn't dead because of rollback. It is doing well. So sit down. Also VF 5's netcode is good so yeah.
@@rachetmarvel931 It looks like they're releasing it for the JRPG audience that played P4G more than they are for us FG players. The game might sell decently well despite no rollback because of this.
Big thanks LK
omg more persona videos thank you LK
We eat
Shadows actually have access to awakening supers all the time, but the damage is nerfed on them, so it's very good still but not as impactful as your typical awakening super when it hits
These combo set ups are so cool, meanwhile I struggle pulling off a dash
AWAKENING SUPERS AVAILABLE DURING THE ENTIRE MATCH FOR SHADOWS
LK slowly turning into a p4au content creator.
*Disclaimer
If he was one before, I wasn't subscribed back then
Wait so shadow frenzy just got reworked into blazblue overdrive.
Literally playing a shadow was just playing BBCF, so yea
I got a wealthfront ad after lk’s wealthfront ad
I wish we would have the first Arena game it seems alot more balanced
Naoto had a Double Fang infinite in base Arena.
So unless you're memeing (who can tell anymore), not really.
The jank/repeated move/whatever that system is called stops working after 10 hits in a combo in that game so no
I have a question, is this game worth buying just for the singleplayer content? As weird as it sounds I don't usually play multiplayer mode on fighting games becuase I suck at them and I was wondering if this game has solid singleplayer content (and maybe with some training I might try online one day)
If you've beaten Persona 4 (and 3) then I would say so as the story mode is a direct sequel to both games and it's pretty long. The gameplay itself is also filled with fun flavor references from those games, and it's cool seeing Arcsys take those RPG elements and put them in a fighter.
If you haven't played the RPGs though, then I don't think you would get much out of the single player imo
As someone who have played P3, P4 and both the Arena games, the single player content won't be worth it. The story is bland and boring (watered down visual novel style). The only high points of the story was Adachi's side and some events that happened with the P4 casts.
Not really. You can just see the non game content on RUclips easily, most of it is absolutely not worth it and just an excuse for fights
The writing is dogshit, if that's what you want.
I think the story mode is pretty good by fighting game standards. It also has a pretty cool rpg like survival mode where you level up and get skills. If any fighting game is worth for single player, it's this game for persona fans
Shadow chie pretty good to I always use her
Don’t shadows also have +200 hp and -20% damage dealt? I had heard that was part of what made S. Naoto so good is she basically ignored the damage penalty with her IK gameplan and got a good bit more survivability out of it too, or did 2.0 remove this?
They have +2000 not 200 and you are correct about the damage nerf. They reduced the extra HP to 1000/500 in 2.0 (depending on the character) but also lowered the damage nerf from -20% to -10%
I only played the first game so I was hyped to see that p4u getting ported but the more I hear about the changes in later versions the less hype I am for the game also no rollback yet.
Surprised at no mention of 1.1 s.chie
IMO even though her plan is good, she still has to get in so it's not worth it.
From my understanding everyone has a shadow form right? Are the other shadow characters just that bad compared to higher tiered ones? I just dont understand what the main reason of them not being used is. Are the non shadow forms of certain characters just that much better? Anything helps. Great vids as always LordKnight
Almost everyone. It depends on the character of they're better or not. Some aren't as practical the normal versions but some are kinda nuts like chie who uses frenzy and deals 70%plus. Its a big trade off for awakening tho
Not everyone has a shadow form. Elizabeth, Sho, Minazuki, Shadow Labrys (who is confusing since there is both a shadow mode for Labrys and a unique Shadow Labrys character) and all of the dlc characters (Margaret, Marie, Adachi) don't have shadow modes
Shadow characters trade defensive options and a good comeback tool for pure offense. They lose access to Burst (get out of jail card) and Awakening (free meter and innate buffs which auto trigger after reaching yellow life). In exchange they get Shadow Frenzy which gives them effectively endless meter for a few seconds. They also carry meter over between rounds.
The thing is, unless the Shadow character can do some super cheesy shit with Shadow Frenzy that can either kill you off one hit or put you as close to death as possible, they aren't worth the tradeoff. They can't break out of combos, they don't get that comeback chance from Awakening. If you aren't able to Touch of Death, you give up way too much defensively to be viable. That's why characters like S. Naoto and S. Chie are good - they have gimmicks that revolve around killing you in Shadow Frenzy.
A character with Awakening can very easily turn the tides against a Shadow character that has spent Shadow Frenzy.
Not everyone has a shadow form. Margaret, Elizabeth, Marie, Sho, Minazuki, Adachi, and Shadow Labrys do not. And the last one wasn't a mistake, as there are 3 versions of Labrys in the game. Labrys with Ariadne, the shadow version of Labrys called Shadow Labrys (who has Ariadne), and the other Shadow Labrys. The final one I mentioned is ironically not a shadow character mechanically (only lore-wise), but a regular character that uses Asterius (the giant bull) instead of Ariadne. Most shadow characters are weaker than their regular counterparts in 1.1 due to a lack of defensive burst and nothing especially worthwhile to compensate for it. Shadow Chie, Shadow Naoto, and Shadow Mitsuru are different because they have something worthwhile. That being unburstable, borderline ToD combos and set-ups. That doesn't mean other shadow characters aren't necessarily viable, though. Shadow Narukami is certainly quite good and fun to play, but it doesn't make sense to pick him over the regular version in a tournament, for example. Shadow characters basically have to be more careful until they get the opportunity to blow you up, because they can't reset momentum with a defensive burst if they make a mistake, and the opponent doesn't have to play around the Awakening mechanic because it's not available to them. Shadows also needed to conserve meter in 1.1, as 100 meter was necessary to activate shadow berserk (the only reason to play the character). This essentially meant that shadows were limited in what they could do compared to their regular counterparts. 2.0 changed shadows by giving them defensive bursts and letting them go into shadow berserk without 100 meter, though. They also made all shadow combos unburstable, which wasn't a thing before. This is another reason why Shadow Chie, Shadow Naoto, and Shadow Mitsuru were the most used in 1.1. Because, as I said before, their insane damage also just so happened to be unburstable by nature of how it functioned. But this wasn't the case for most shadow characters. Hopefully that cleared everything up for you.
Edit: Didn't mean to repeat almost verbatim what some other people said. I responded before I refreshed the page to see other comments, so I didn't know.
@@ApexGale But I thought Shadows could burst now ???
So you're saying Shadow Naoto is still fair and balanced.
So they are basically more toxic on 2.5. They were a mistake.
Early game
Hmmmmmm
Goofy ahh sponsorship
next up you're gonna be promoting SFV NFTs what is this clownery
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I always thought people played games because they liked the characters and gameplay, but apparently people cant play games that are a bit laggy now.
Netcode is a massive part of gameplay.
with delay, depending on where you live, it can be impossible to find decent connections in the hours that you play. bad connections make it so you can’t experience the gameplay and characters as they were intended. rollback is needed to broaden the range of acceptable connections. it’s not rocket science