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  • Опубликовано: 3 фев 2017
  • When DID Vegeta unlock Super Saiyan 2 in Dragon Ball Z? When did he ascend to that level? There are TWO theories about when Vegeta was able to achieve this form. Did he achieve it when Vegeta becomes Majin Vegeta? Or was it earlier? This video explains exactly how Vegeta became Super Saiyan 2!
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  • @osurac1880
    @osurac1880 7 лет назад +328

    Vegeta: Under mind control, still does whatever the fuck he wants.

    • @Mayank-mf7xr
      @Mayank-mf7xr 6 лет назад +3

      thats why he is will be a prince whether or not there are saiyans

    • @eriklatta3937
      @eriklatta3937 6 лет назад +4

      You can take away my burger but there something a sayain always keeps his frrrriiieeessss

    • @icegangsta5161
      @icegangsta5161 3 месяца назад

      ​@@eriklatta3937
      Facts

  • @spirit1219
    @spirit1219 7 лет назад +675

    " You maybe have taken my mind and my body But there is one thing that a Saiyan always keeps. HIS PRIDE"

    • @NOFORPAIN
      @NOFORPAIN 7 лет назад +12

      His pride*?

    • @miiguliexe1787
      @miiguliexe1787 7 лет назад +14

      no! hes fries!!

    • @hazardousdre5987
      @hazardousdre5987 7 лет назад +11

      HIS WIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @roughbartl7563
      @roughbartl7563 7 лет назад +2

      You may have invaded my mind and my body, but there is one thing a Saiyan always keeps... HIS PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE!*

    • @ssj1k564
      @ssj1k564 7 лет назад +25

      Super Vegito I think he said "You may have taken my burger and my drinks but there is one thing a Saiyan always keeps. HIS FRIIIIES!"

  • @LegendaryGooseling
    @LegendaryGooseling 7 лет назад +765

    YOU MAY HAVE TAKEN MY BURGER AND MY DRINK, BUT THERES ONE THING A SAIYAN ALWAYS KEEPS....
    HIS FRRRIIIIEEEEEEEESSSSSS

    • @davidvalter1936
      @davidvalter1936 5 лет назад +9

      About as funny as someone falling from the roof face first on a rake

    • @davidvalter1936
      @davidvalter1936 5 лет назад +2

      @Super Ghost 2 about as funny as someone falling from a helicopter face first on a rake.

    • @themindmuscle4141
      @themindmuscle4141 5 лет назад +8

      i read that with vegetas voice.. I think in vegetas voice often.. Lol

    • @LiMai__
      @LiMai__ 5 лет назад +1

      The Mind Muscle same lol, and vegeta was yelling”MY FRIESSS!

    • @floodinmon14
      @floodinmon14 4 года назад

      i can see TeamFourStar giving this line when they abridge it..but maybe give it to Goku. He's always got food on the brain. lol. ....Pizza....

  • @TxM_ToMi
    @TxM_ToMi 5 лет назад +230

    "i'll never fight again.."- Vegeta, he'll never fight as a SSJ1 that is

  • @AnimeNationHD-GraphicsDesigner
    @AnimeNationHD-GraphicsDesigner 7 лет назад +1679

    I think one of the reason Goku achieved super Saiyan 3 was because he had a dead body which lets him push himself without straining his body

    • @ShaunInce123
      @ShaunInce123 7 лет назад +280

      AnimeNationHD Yeah. In the Fight with Kid Buu, he said he had no problems with energy consumption in the Other World.

    • @AnimeNationHD-GraphicsDesigner
      @AnimeNationHD-GraphicsDesigner 7 лет назад +10

      Shaun N Ince Yes

    • @MrRafie82
      @MrRafie82 7 лет назад +57

      AnimeNationHD Then what's Gotenks excuse?

    • @AnimeNationHD-GraphicsDesigner
      @AnimeNationHD-GraphicsDesigner 7 лет назад +78

      Rafie Crocheron He couldn't maintain that form for long

    • @MrRafie82
      @MrRafie82 7 лет назад +33

      AnimeNationHD He seemed to have kept it as long as his fusion was intact....almost.

  • @lee155912000
    @lee155912000 7 лет назад +180

    I didnt even know people thought the Majin transformation was the thing that gave Vegeta ssj2. I always assumed he attained it during the off time leading up to the buu saga.

    • @JamariT2000
      @JamariT2000 5 лет назад +40

      TrueSinister Same reason we ain’t see Goku go Super Saiyan 2 or 3 before we did, because the plot didn’t require it before then.

    • @MoeCamera
      @MoeCamera 4 года назад +2

      lee155912000 no he got it during his fight against cell

    • @zenith616
      @zenith616 4 года назад +16

      That was a form called Super Vegeta
      It was SSJ1, but more powerful due to the increased muscle mass
      It was not SSJ2. Only Gohan could go SSJ2 at that time

    • @craigpeoples9883
      @craigpeoples9883 4 года назад

      Me too

    • @edwardcarter1190
      @edwardcarter1190 4 года назад +3

      @@zenith616 I thought that all the saiyans had reached ssj2 during the Cell games? When did they confirm that they hadn't? I saw no mention of it in the show?

  • @DragonballBlack
    @DragonballBlack 6 лет назад +120

    Well, I guess the answer to that question was Gohan. GG.

    • @khalidh5933
      @khalidh5933 4 года назад +2

      Why do you have no replies. Aren't you like.. famous?

    • @Daniel-jj8uc
      @Daniel-jj8uc 4 года назад

      That's weird

    • @ultimatewarriors1291
      @ultimatewarriors1291 4 года назад

      Oh its blackscape

    • @jordanwilliams5673
      @jordanwilliams5673 3 года назад +1

      This was 2 years ago folks

    • @thehoneyguy5321
      @thehoneyguy5321 3 года назад +1

      Why is gohans anger not a thing anymore? Surely the spopovich v videl figh should have pushed him over the edge ...

  • @zachschmitt3654
    @zachschmitt3654 4 года назад +48

    Vegeta even said I’m stronger than you [Gohan] were when you fought Cell. And then it turned out Gohan was weeker than he was as a kid, so Vegeta was significantly stronger. This is how I feel SS2 go most powerful to least:
    1. Majin Vegeta
    2. Goku SS2 (just a little weaker)
    3. Vegeta SS2 before Babadi
    4. Gohan SS2 when he fought Cell
    5. Adult Gohan SS2

    • @Seedonator
      @Seedonator 4 года назад +11

      In the Goku SSJ2 vs Majin Vegeta SSJ2 fight, Goku and Vegeta were completely even..... but, Goku was dead so he had extra stamina. Even though Goku had a stamina boost, him and Vegeta were still completely even. That means if Goku were alive at the time then he would be weaker than Vegeta. Now this is disregarding Goku's SSJ3 but the whole reason he unlocked it in the first place was because he was dead and had the stamina boost.
      Also regarding zenkais, after Goku got knocked out and Vegeta commit suicide, Vegeta would've definitely gotten the bigger zenkai boost. And then him and Goku get equally bashed against Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed) so equal zenkais. But then Vegeta gets tortured by Kid Buu and gets a much bigger zenkai than Goku.
      So at the end of Z, Vegeta's base is stronger than Goku's but Goku has SSJ3.

    • @keepmovingforward261
      @keepmovingforward261 4 года назад +1

      In movie 10 when he fought broly adult gohan stated he is stronger than when he was 7 years ago.That was non canon movie that's why he stated that.Ssj3>ssj2 vegeta>mystic gohan in wraith of the dragon

    • @onyxt3589
      @onyxt3589 3 года назад +2

      @@Seedonator Goku and Vegeta never fight Buuhan in the manga.
      You don't get Zenkais when you're dead. Goku and Vegeta were dead even. That struggle we see Goku having is filler. Doesn't make sense for Vegeta to be stronger when they both started the battle evenly matched. The battle in the manga was about 5 pages long.

    • @smokeybear7946
      @smokeybear7946 3 года назад

      @@Seedonator but remember thr creator didnt come up with the idea of ssj3 till later in the buu sega he admitted goku and vegeta were even at the time majin vegeta stronger dead goku mor Stamina

    • @Firemarioflower
      @Firemarioflower 2 месяца назад

      @@Seedonator Nonsense. Vegeta's zenkai wasn't enough to get on level with Goku. Goku's base was far superior and don't forget, Vegeta LOST the Majin form thus some of his power went away as well. Goku got exhausted multiple times in the Kid Buu Saga and had to transform into SSJ3 again, thus maening he would get a power boost from the previous fight.

  • @sammye3511
    @sammye3511 7 лет назад +517

    Honestly vegeta doesn't need super saiyan 3, his super saiyan 2 is badass enough

    • @unboxedninja
      @unboxedninja 7 лет назад +2

      Sammy E fr

    • @derricksmoove989
      @derricksmoove989 7 лет назад

      Sammy E lol

    • @spambamkeija634
      @spambamkeija634 7 лет назад +81

      Sammy E
      If he was Ssj3, he would be too badass. Toriyama knew this and just couldn't allow it

    • @fuzzinator9523
      @fuzzinator9523 7 лет назад +3

      D Franklin34 lol

    • @meechie9z
      @meechie9z 7 лет назад +45

      Sammy E ssj3 wastes a lot of ki and Vegeta is always throwing ki around so

  • @yamchathewolf7714
    @yamchathewolf7714 7 лет назад +258

    I never understood where this misconception came from, Vegeta wouldn´t have said that he could beat Dabura if he didn´t have the ability to turn ssj2. Probably the same people who think that Gohan wasn´t a ssj2 when he fought Dabura just because there was no lighting...
    Fantastic vid bro.

    • @yamchathewolf7714
      @yamchathewolf7714 7 лет назад +36

      When they first meet Dabura Goku states that he is equal to Cell. We don´t know whether he´s talking about super perfect Cell or perfect Cell but it would make sense that he´s referring to the strongest version of Cell, which is SPC.
      Nevertheless, when Dabura and Gohan start fighting Goku says that he underestimated Dabura and that he´s way stronger than what he thought. This means that Dabura is arguably more powerful than SPC, at the very least much more powerful than regular perfect Cell.
      As we know, 7 years earlier Gohan was more powerful, and wasn´t even close to regular perfect Cell in his ssj form, so how could he seven years later be fighting waaay better against a much more stronger opponent in his ssj form?
      Gohan was a ssj2 bro, the lighting is very inconsistent, there have been other scenes in the show where we know for a fact that someone is a ssj2 but there is no lighting.

    • @kingln2253
      @kingln2253 7 лет назад +10

      dabura was cell level. ssj gohan is weaker than teen ssj gohan who was getting beaten by cell. if he was just ssj gohan he would get his ass kick hard.

    • @yamchathewolf7714
      @yamchathewolf7714 7 лет назад +2

      Jesus-is LORD I´ve read the manga several times and no where is it stated that Gohan was a ssj1 when he fought Dabura. Read my comment where I explain why he was an ssj2, those facts are taken from the manga.

    • @yamchathewolf7714
      @yamchathewolf7714 7 лет назад

      ***** The hair shouldn´t be the deciding factor either bro, those kind of things are inconsistent. Rather you should make your decision whether he was a ssj2 or not based on powerscaling. But yeah Gohan´s hair indeed was his ssj2 hair when he fought Dabura.

    • @Tracker947
      @Tracker947 7 лет назад +2

      Guzman031 Troll or has no idea what they're talking about.

  • @ratbabyy3117
    @ratbabyy3117 6 лет назад +771

    I WANNA! I WANNA BE A SUPER SAIYAN 2! I WANNA! I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA!

    • @4sight546
      @4sight546 5 лет назад +5

      Yeeeeesssssss

    • @aTalkingKoala8294
      @aTalkingKoala8294 5 лет назад +1

      Hahahahahaha

    • @justkingdezgaming8727
      @justkingdezgaming8727 5 лет назад +16

      Only i few ppl would get this

    • @haladmirknowsbest
      @haladmirknowsbest 5 лет назад +36

      More push ups, more sit ups, and all the juice

    • @vandarik5766
      @vandarik5766 5 лет назад +4

      @@haladmirknowsbest If this planet's gravity was 500 times earth's gravity I might have had cause for concern but 10........I don't even feel it.

  • @sainandanramakrishnan4812
    @sainandanramakrishnan4812 7 лет назад +315

    1) Vegeta already felt that the power of SSjin 2 Gohan from the Cell Games was a minimum benchmark ( "Impressive ! Even greater than the power Gohan had against Cell " right before transforming to SSjin 2 ). Neither Vegeta, nor Goku think Cell is a big deal anymore ( this is before the Majin charm ).
    2) Vegeta knew *exactly* how strong SSjin 2 Gohan was 7 years ago, in fact, he is the one who compares fighters with Cell Games Gohan the most number of times, still he was confident that he had closed the gap due to his training. He was also confident of the fact that he was stronger than Gohan's maximum BEFORE Gohan powered up in the tournament and showed that he was in fact weaker than he was against Cell. All of his predictions and statements do in fact turn out to be correct and the context makes it clear that Vegeta would handle any Gohan with no problem at all. GOKU was the main problem.
    3) Vegeta was also confident of defeating Dabura in no time, the same opponent SSjin 2 Gohan was struggling to finish off. Dabura was already stated to be Perfect Cell's rival in power.
    4) The ENTIRE Majin possession sequence where Vegeta is floating in the air NEVER has him transform into SSjin 2 even once, its simply his hidden potential being released, enough to increase his BASE power to Goku's level. Had the charm been the sole reason for his SSjin 2 unlock, then he should have shown SSjin 2 at least ONCE BEFORE Goku himself turned SSjin 2 in the desert. But what we see is Vegeta transforming from SSjin to SSjin 2 off his own free with absolute ease and finesse AFTER Goku himself showed SSjin 2 to him. This not only shows prior experience with the form, but also rules out any possibility of the Majin charm having to do anything whatsoever with him going SSjin 2.
    All of this CLEARLY goes to prove that he achieved SSjin 2 BY TRAINING INTENSELY FOR 7 YEARS AFTER CELL.

    • @samuraisouljones6295
      @samuraisouljones6295 5 лет назад +23

      TrueSinister never in the series has vegeta lies about his power level. Underestimating opponents power is a totally different thing that all the sayians do. My point is, if vegeta said he was stronger than gohan when he fought cell, he was.

    • @NeoConker626
      @NeoConker626 5 лет назад +7

      @@samuraisouljones6295 my thing is, why would that statement require SSJ2? If his base was 2x or more stronger than Gohan's (given he was in shape and Gohan slacked way off and lost some power), then his SSJ form would be on par with or above Gohan SSJ2. We know from Toriyama and DBS now that there's no hard ceiling on the first SSJ form, and that its actually the optimal state if properly trained because it produces the least strain.

    • @cithrichdidntwakeup3812
      @cithrichdidntwakeup3812 4 года назад

      Sainandan Ramakrishnan 1) you don’t have to say jin in the SSJ... it’s okay just to say SS1 SS4 SSGS... 2) I’m constipated... 3) it’s been 7 days since I took a shxt... 4) I have to re-watch the dragon ball series from dragon ball to GT to super all the movies and everything in between

    • @lapplandkun9273
      @lapplandkun9273 4 года назад +11

      I thought it was already proven vegeta achieved ssj2 by training. Goku did during otherworld

    • @wnd9434
      @wnd9434 4 года назад +2

      I like vegeta too but you are obviously wrong.
      1. Vegeta always overestimate his power, he usually says he is stronger or on par with goku but he obviouly wrong. He always says he is a strong as his enemy frieza, androids, cell and buu( think he can defeat by himself) but prove wrong too.
      2. This also refers to gohan as he overestimated his power too. Also because gohan lack training so he think he might stronger than gohan but not because he achieve ssj2.
      3. Vegeta is so ungifted talent unlike goku and gohan. Remember he training very hard to achieve ssj1 but not because of training. Goku only trains 100 gravity and get leads to ssj1, vegeta trains 300 gravity still didnt get anthing.

  • @jairtrail4921
    @jairtrail4921 4 года назад +36

    “You have Stolen my honor..... and your debt must be paid” - ss2 Majin Vegita

  • @origiginal8056
    @origiginal8056 7 лет назад +74

    1:29 Man Bobby D. was my favorite dragon ball z character.

  • @mikeythegenesaur719
    @mikeythegenesaur719 5 лет назад +124

    Because the electricity crackle is such an inconsistent visual flair to this particular transformation and, moreover, because Vegeta's hair already stands up on end, it's practically impossible to tell whether he's in Super Saiyan or Super Duper Saiyan form.

    • @luciisladica7060
      @luciisladica7060 4 года назад +9

      Vegeta's hair is always the same
      Except for ssj4

    • @temp4743
      @temp4743 3 года назад +6

      No ssj2 hair raises higher than ssj1 hair trust me

    • @temp4743
      @temp4743 3 года назад +5

      For vegeta his ssj2 hair is slightly higher than ssj1 hair

    • @onyxt3589
      @onyxt3589 3 года назад +1

      @@luciisladica7060 grade 4 changes his hair noticeably.

    • @lilfeva25
      @lilfeva25 3 года назад

      For the tfs reference, you get a like.

  • @nikssu
    @nikssu 6 лет назад +45

    In the manga Vegeta said: "So Kakarotnis also capable of surpassing a SSJ." That could be the only hint of Vegeta being capable of becoming an ssj2 without help. He also wasn't impressed by Gohans power whom become ssj2 against Spopobich in the tournament

    • @UenoLocker54
      @UenoLocker54 4 года назад +4

      Or he could just be comparing Goku to Gohan without his power even being part of the thought.

    • @abduking.
      @abduking. Год назад

      @@UenoLocker54 vegetas too arrogant for that

    • @ZaddyGohan
      @ZaddyGohan Год назад

      @@UenoLocker54This may be strictly an anime thing, but I almost certainly remember vegeta at one point stating that gohan was the weaker of the 3 when they were facing off with Babidi’s henchmen

    • @tytusajtmankiewicz6818
      @tytusajtmankiewicz6818 3 месяца назад

      ​@@UenoLocker54 Exactly, that's the whole point - we don''t know if Vegeta was attributing this line to Goku or Gohan. However I still believe Vegeta had already tapped into SSJ2 before the Buu arc started. Why? Firstly, there is no indication Babidi's magic can unlock a new transformation. Secondly, Vegeta tapped into SSJ2 pretty easily, same as Goku who alrady got it. Final argument - even after years of extreme workout it wouldn't be possible to surpass SSJ2 with just a SSJ1 form. We never saw anything like it among the Saiyans in DBZ.

  • @mathiyanz
    @mathiyanz 7 лет назад +453

    Geekdom, is it bad that I still get pissed that vegeta was never given ssj3?

    • @joanierenk3138
      @joanierenk3138 7 лет назад +20

      stonematt yes.

    • @8-p335
      @8-p335 7 лет назад +15

      stonematt it's a lost dream dude

    • @hamza361
      @hamza361 7 лет назад +39

      Ssj3 is a joke compared to ssg or blue.

    • @nz6226
      @nz6226 7 лет назад +15

      stonematt
      Vegeta WAS given SSJ3. Just in video games and other media lol

    • @young_jmj7815
      @young_jmj7815 7 лет назад

      super saiyan rose its ssj3 not ss3

  • @Geekdom101
    @Geekdom101  7 лет назад +796

    Goku went Super Saiyan 2 against Yakon. It is stated numerous times by Vegeta himself and the manga drew him as such. Pretty please don't fight with me on this - thanks!

    • @omasaspawn7379
      @omasaspawn7379 7 лет назад +45

      Exactly, there is no argument to be made against it. Its pretty clear.

    • @pro2firez
      @pro2firez 7 лет назад +40

      I feel vegeta didn't achieved ss2 for the simple fact that he didn't gloat about achieving the power. He Gloated when he achieved Ssj1 and ascended saiyan ( hell he even Gloated when he came out the hyperbolic time chamber the second time getting ready for the cell games) but he didn't here. He even confessed it during the fight with goku while he was a majin.Stating that when he saw goku go ssj2 during the yakon fight, he still felt he was in goku's shadow. Which could be interpenetrated two ways. 1: "IF" he did have the form, he wasn't as strong as goku or 2: that he didn't have it. (And Knowing Vegeta's ego, he definitely would have voiced it)

    • @0624tre
      @0624tre 7 лет назад +19

      Dark Justice no he didn't he said goku had power to spare that doesn't mean goku was ssj2

    • @antdman8
      @antdman8 7 лет назад +1

      what's up with not seeing vegeta's tail anymore

    • @pro2firez
      @pro2firez 7 лет назад +2

      Tre Roulhac If you watch back the fight (between yakon and goku) on youtube and put the video speed to 0.25 you can see the the blue electricity just before the light surge that blows up yakon.

  • @President_Shin
    @President_Shin 5 лет назад +47

    Your assessment of Dabura “Not being a smart fighter” is waaaaaay off. In fact, he was very smart. He was slick with his stone spit attacks, he tipped Babadi on Vegeta, he also warned Babadi about Majin Buu being too strong to control. Dude was smart as fuck. Also I agree, Vegeta was SSJ2 way before the tournament started.

    • @Firemarioflower
      @Firemarioflower 2 месяца назад +1

      Exactly. Dabura was smart enough to fend off and deflect a clever technique from Gohan and timed a blast to perfection when he re appeared from the water.

  • @JohnieLee55
    @JohnieLee55 7 лет назад +178

    Why is it argued when he got the form? I seemed to have been made clear that he got the form during the 7 year gap.

    • @pepitoblue8761
      @pepitoblue8761 6 лет назад +17

      JohnieLee55 bruh i clicked on this vid just to read the comments on how He supposedly got ssj2 from being under babadi's control, shits hilarious, the fact this is even a vid is funny

    • @herosubs781
      @herosubs781 6 лет назад +2

      I always thought he got it from babidi

    • @Tit0Matic
      @Tit0Matic 6 лет назад +3

      JohnieLee55 in my circle of friends, I am the only one who knows this. They all argue babidi gave Vegeta ss2

    • @jasoncopprue6872
      @jasoncopprue6872 6 лет назад +12

      Tit0Matic I always assumed he got it in the 7 years. I think your friends don't know that ssj is a power multiplier and not, itself, a power level. Try explaining that two ssj2s aren't necessarily evenly matched since it's a x100 multiplier.
      Let's say his base power level was 100 and Goku's was 110, yeah Goku is a bit stronger but that's not likely an unbeatable matchup.
      at ssj2, Vegeta would have a 10,000 power level and Goku would have a 11,000 power level, the gap just widened from +10 to +1,000
      Using these numbers, Babidi only would have had to increase Vegeta's base power level by 10 to even them up, that seems much more reasonable than unlocking a whole new transformation for him.
      These are made up numbers, I have no idea what their power levels were at this point, but that's how I explain it when people don't understand why Ultimate Gohan took damage from ssj2 Goku in DBS when Ultimate Gohan was supposed to be as strong as ssj3 Goku during the Buu saga.

    • @moaphy
      @moaphy 5 лет назад

      Hero Subs I’m pretty sure that’s where he got it from. Babidi gave vegeta a huge boost. Vegeta wanted babidi to control him for that power boost. Goku was shocked when they first had fought and vegeta turned ss2. Without that boost, vegeta stood no chance

  • @MrMo433
    @MrMo433 7 лет назад +71

    SSJ2 should be used way more. It looks really good on Goku Gohan and Vegeta

    • @BAMFMATTDAYMON
      @BAMFMATTDAYMON 6 лет назад +8

      thank you. most underrated form besides cell saga

    • @abduking.
      @abduking. Год назад +1

      goku yes gohan maybe depending on what age teen gohan ssj2 >>>>>>> adult gohan ssj2 in terms of looks . vegeta literally looks the same in any form

  • @LNSTHEGOD
    @LNSTHEGOD 7 лет назад +917

    Vegeta also went super Saiyan 3 when he fought the pirate king sasuke

    • @iannnn
      @iannnn 7 лет назад +102

      The Legendary Negro Saiyan oh yah I remember that arc, in hxh when vegeta wanted the one piece which was hidden inside the dreams cape of a banzai and had to fight hokage sasuke for it

    • @TheKidJt
      @TheKidJt 7 лет назад +18

      wtf are you talking about

    • @Kim-fv5ss
      @Kim-fv5ss 7 лет назад +5

      it's not real

    • @luckpup2766
      @luckpup2766 7 лет назад +46

      I remember that best fight ever.

    • @user-ef1qr5dy2i
      @user-ef1qr5dy2i 7 лет назад +18

      Luck pup the best anime battle I remembered was between filthyfrank and Chin Chin

  • @Sabatage307
    @Sabatage307 6 лет назад +81

    majin vegeta is hands down best vegeta imo

    • @CoolTy23
      @CoolTy23 4 года назад +2

      The Real MC nah super vegeta is 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @reiunit8189
      @reiunit8189 4 года назад +4

      @@CoolTy23 I like super vegeta too

    • @ramadhanyramadhany5703
      @ramadhanyramadhany5703 4 года назад +1

      @@reiunit8189 For me I like both Super Vegeta and Ssj2 Majin Transformation..

    • @vergil2067
      @vergil2067 4 года назад

      @@CoolTy23 Super Vegeta is kinda a bitch. But it's not really his fault.

    • @johnschiendelman2487
      @johnschiendelman2487 4 года назад

      I’ve always like the Frieda saga Vegeta

  • @aboderinfemiable
    @aboderinfemiable 5 лет назад +4

    This video was needed. Too many people sleeping on Vegeta in the Buu arc

  • @ChairLeeSama
    @ChairLeeSama 7 лет назад +200

    The fact that people actually think that Vegeta needed a little wrinkle dick mage to unlock ssj2 is stupid as hell. If gohan was able to unlock it it was only a matter of time until vegeta did Majin just gave Vegeta the slight boost he needed to keep up with a ssj3 unlocked ssj2 goku.

    • @ignaelite2001
      @ignaelite2001 7 лет назад +6

      LoneDrifter Gohan was able able to unlock SSJ2 because he has a lot of potential. But it's wasted. He HAD a lot of potential.

    • @ChairLeeSama
      @ChairLeeSama 7 лет назад

      Ignacio Flores yup imagine how strong an ultimate gohan could have been had gohan keep training with vegeta, He also could go into the time chamber again so there's also that.

    • @JaeshaunDT
      @JaeshaunDT 7 лет назад +3

      Gohan had to be pushed by cell

    • @dattos140
      @dattos140 7 лет назад +4

      jalent while yes he did vegeta if he cries enough the universe will pity him and let him trancend thats how he got ssj1

    • @Sarnatuile
      @Sarnatuile 7 лет назад +2

      Potential doesn't go away, so he still has that potential. He'sj ust wasting it.

  • @somadidk
    @somadidk 7 лет назад +441

    Vegeta said he could easily beat dabura. He already had Ssj2

    • @r3pherade784
      @r3pherade784 7 лет назад +21

      so mad idk Or he's just being cocky af

    • @Tracker947
      @Tracker947 7 лет назад +112

      R3pherade No, he wasn't. He was confident against Zarbon until he transformed, he was confident against Freeza until he transformed, he was confident against the androids because he couldn't sense their power and he'd already killed one easily. Even Cell had another surprise transformation. Vegeta was right in pretty much every case and only ended up being defeated because the enemy had some sort of hidden extra power.

    • @SolosferaRPG
      @SolosferaRPG 7 лет назад +10

      We never will know the true power of Dabura. And the fact that Gohan can stand a fight with him make me think that comparasion of Cell's power is the Perfect and not the Ultra Perfect Cell.
      So, Vegeta don't need to be a ssj2 to (seven years later) beat the power of Perfect Cell...
      And Gohan don't show the lightnings of a ssj2...

    • @798jeremy
      @798jeremy 7 лет назад +10

      +Diéfersom Fernandes That's right, Gohan wasn't fighting Dabura with SSJ2, because he said he wasn't angry enough to do this in that moment, but in the tournament he did because he was angry after seeing Videl gets beaten up by Spopovitch a few minutes earlier...so it just also proves Dabura wasn't as strong as Cell in the edge of his power !

    • @SolosferaRPG
      @SolosferaRPG 7 лет назад +2

      I agree

  • @makaveli559m
    @makaveli559m 7 лет назад +73

    Vegeta was able to turn SSJ2 but when he saw Goku do the same thing he knew that he still couldn't close the power gap and that is when he made up his mind.

    • @m74568
      @m74568 6 лет назад +7

      makaveli559m Also Goku had SSJ3 even if he didnt show it. So his base and SSJ1 would be much stronger than usual.

    • @Saint0999
      @Saint0999 6 лет назад +6

      Loremipsumdolorsit Amet exactly. So it makes sense. He just saw the power gap. So he made up his mind. He literally said to gohan “ I think i closed the gap between us” multiple times and Taunting goku about it. Thinking with his arrogant ass that he’s stronger than goku now.

    • @BabyMikeVenom
      @BabyMikeVenom 4 года назад

      Its weird that vegetas ssj2 isnt as strong as ssj2 goku w out babadi. There must be tiers to super saiyan

    • @150Hello
      @150Hello 4 года назад +8

      @@BabyMikeVenom I'm pretty sure it's just that Gokus base form was higher than Vegetas base form, therefore his SSJ2 form would logically be stronger. So Vegeta needed the majin boost to close the gap.

    • @BabyMikeVenom
      @BabyMikeVenom 4 года назад

      @150hello but he only noticed when goku powered up passed ssj fighting that dark cave guy

  • @hawk6111
    @hawk6111 4 года назад +7

    Can we all just agree. Goku has never beaten vegeta 1 on 1. The first time he wasn't just fighting goku but goku, krillin, and gohan. And the majin fight, well, vegeta was the victor. Deception is a viable tactic and by hook or by crook vegeta was standing and goku was unconscious

    • @poodie3887
      @poodie3887 4 года назад

      I’ve always said this and I love both characters no bias

    • @l_cuzzo_l1214
      @l_cuzzo_l1214 4 года назад +1

      Yes finally others who see this point

  • @AnimeNationHD-GraphicsDesigner
    @AnimeNationHD-GraphicsDesigner 7 лет назад +65

    I think it was when he was training In the 7 year time skip, let's see if I'm right!

  • @ZegetaX1
    @ZegetaX1 7 лет назад +389

    Vegeta learned SSJ2 during the 7 years of peace I'm tired of the haters disrespecting Vegeta and his accomplishments remember Vegeta sending Dabura power level was convinced he would defeat Dabura who was strong as or stronger than super perfect cell also Vegeta was far stronger than Gohan at that point in the series by far

    • @anthonyt425
      @anthonyt425 7 лет назад +20

      ZegetaX1 Exactly this!

    • @thetannernation
      @thetannernation 6 лет назад +8

      ZegetaX1
      Vegeta never showed the ability to go SSJ2 until the fight with kid buu.
      And on top of that, Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Vegeta are Stated to have similar powers in the daizenshuu. They even share the exact same appearance.
      Babidi’s power boost allowed Vegeta to obtain the form

    • @RealsleepyAC
      @RealsleepyAC 6 лет назад +34

      TheTannerNation I guess you didn’t watch the video then

    • @thetannernation
      @thetannernation 6 лет назад +6

      the AKC
      I watched it. It’s wrong. Geekdom says Vegeta has to be a SSJ2 because he’s stronger than gohan. But this means nothing. It doesn’t mean Vegeta has to be a SSJ2 at all. It’s entirely likely that SSJ1 Vegeta is stronger than SSJ2 gohan at this point in the series.
      Again, the daizenshuu says Vegeta’s SSJ2 and Majin forms are similar in power. They have the *exact same appearance.* and Vegeta never showed the ability to go SSJ2 before receiving the Majin power up.
      Remember when Vegeta made such a big deal about Goku hiding his SSJ3 form in their battle? It’s because Vegeta thought Goku could only go SSJ2. So he used the Majin power up to obtain the form. Then once he found out Goku had an even further transformation, that’s why he was so pissed at Goku.

    • @KyCloud69
      @KyCloud69 6 лет назад +42

      TheTannerNation We're talking about the guy who attained SSB without the ritual. You're telling me Vegeta, who attained SSJ grade 2, couldn't attain SSJ2 while training during the 7 year gap after the cell saga??....that's nonsense

  • @aidankeogh9994
    @aidankeogh9994 7 лет назад +97

    Since SSJ2 seems to be unlocked by rage, I think Vegeta gained SSJ2 after his six-year-old son achieved the legendary form of Super Saiyan and used it like a toy.
    I can just imagine Vegeta sitting alone in a dark room, silent as he wades through his existential crisis, before a deafening scream of rage is audible all the way to Kame House.

    • @AussiesInWB
      @AussiesInWB 5 лет назад +17

      Hmm, thats funny. Feeling pride in someone else.

    • @jacoballen6269
      @jacoballen6269 5 лет назад

      Trunks was like eight though wasn’t he?

    • @LeviAckerman-it5hg
      @LeviAckerman-it5hg 5 лет назад +8

      R34 Skyline - Unfortunately it’s overshadowed by all this unyielding rage

    • @arsildocangu
      @arsildocangu 5 лет назад

      How beautiful to see all these Abridged references

    • @donniedorko634
      @donniedorko634 5 лет назад

      Trunks is not a legendary SSJ thats not even the name

  • @X-2136
    @X-2136 4 года назад +17

    In addition, piccolo also admitted that when Vegeta was chasing after Android 20 piccolo said to everyone "As much as I hate to admit it, Vegeta is a genius in combat." Or something similar to that. Either way piccolo said that Vegeta is very, very good at fighting

  • @katsuo7798
    @katsuo7798 7 лет назад +94

    Some of these comments prove once again that a lot of people in the DB community don't have any idea what they are talking about.
    Great video Geekdom.

    • @eriklatta3937
      @eriklatta3937 6 лет назад +5

      I know super fans need to go back a watch dragon ball all the way thru the buu saga

    • @achillesturner6545
      @achillesturner6545 4 года назад

      It hurts to see people think he went ssj2 against semi perfect cell.

  • @JM-ml6mr
    @JM-ml6mr 7 лет назад +193

    Just to provide another piece of evidence:
    Based on his conversation with Goku before their fight, I think the dialogue indirectly proves that Vegeta became a Super Saiyan 2 BEFORE he became Majin (without the help of Babidi's boost)
    Vegeta: Well, at least you're stronger than your son when he fought Cell transforms to SSJ2
    Goku: Wow, Vegeta, this might take longer than I thought.
    I know it's hard to catch, but the context of Vegeta's words express that he reached SSJ2 BEFORE the tournament bout started (beginning of Majin Buu saga). And considering he really wanted to fight Goku during the world tournament, he would've known that Goku had to have ascended at least to the point of SSJ2 in 7 years even if he was "dead". So his tone during that dialogue doesn't really come off as "ooooh I just achieved SSJ2". Plus, his Saiyan pride wouldn't dare allow him to talk so casually if he used Babidi's method to ascend and reach Goku's level.

    • @anthonyt425
      @anthonyt425 7 лет назад +14

      Jacen Mun Excellent post

    • @TheOnlyCasualObserver
      @TheOnlyCasualObserver 6 лет назад +16

      STARWOLF5K Babidi's spell isn't confirmed to unlock new transformations, all it does is give the user a huge power boost. Vegeta had already been in the Time Chamber twice, the max amount of times someone could enter in their lifetime before Dende lifted those rules in Dragon Ball Super. I'm sure with the way Vegeta trains that it isn't impossible for him to have achieved SSJ2 in the span of 7 years. I also think it's safe to assume that Vegeta's SSJ2 transformation wasn't as strong as Goku's, which makes sense if you consider that training in Other World is more efficient than training on Earth. Vegeta probably realized this and made his decision from there.

    • @7dayspking
      @7dayspking 6 лет назад +1

      +J M I can't see any correlation there, I don't understand how one follows the other.

    • @7dayspking
      @7dayspking 6 лет назад

      +RUclipsr Whether he had the form or not he definitely wasn't nearly as strong as Goku.

    • @sage_outta_nowhere
      @sage_outta_nowhere 6 лет назад +4

      I think the point of “Babidi’s spell not known to cause transformation” is misplaced. The reality is that the spell does cause a mental effect that allows vegeta to access the rage he was seeking to take him to the next level.

  • @hasanstewart5204
    @hasanstewart5204 6 лет назад +23

    But didn't goku give vegeta credit when he turned ssj2 and said he must was doing intense training so vegeta already had ssj2 he just wanted babadi to put the evil hatred back in his heart he couldn't fight goku in his new life state family man

    • @chadku
      @chadku 5 лет назад +7

      Ssj2 goku was stronger than ssj2 vegeta so vegeta needed the majin yo be equal to him

  • @thesavantart8480
    @thesavantart8480 7 лет назад +15

    Babidi just got rid of Vegeta's mental blocks. Remember, Vegeta said he would never fight again at the end of the cell saga, his pride was shattered. Vegeta had unlocked ssj2 but his mental blocks, his "fear" of challenging Goku, the guy who kept surpassing him and even his son, again after his pride was shattered was holding Vegeta back. When Vegeta was still evil he didn't have these mental blocks, but after Goku, he changed mentally. So Vegeta's goal was to use Babidi to get rid of these mental blocks, not necessarily making him evil again or increase his power. just getting rid of these mental blocks.

    • @danktoasties8488
      @danktoasties8488 3 года назад

      My man, you understand it well. Thankyou for your intelligence, it's a breath of fresh air after reading some of these comments

    • @salvatore771
      @salvatore771 3 года назад

      He didn't get rid of his "mental blocks" he basically turned him "evil" it brought out Vegetas wild and ruthless side (maybe primal is a better word) so he had no inhibitations and fought at his best. But the stronger the person under Babidis influence, the less control he has on them, hence why Vegeta did what he wanted and so did Buu, there is proof that the Majinn transformation boosts a persons power, if you look at the first normal humans who beat up Videl, Vegeta knew there was a small boost associated with being controlled and he accepted it to bridge the gap between Goku & himself. Goku naturally would of been ahead, he was in the otherworld with unlimited stamina so he had the edge on Vegeta in training.

  • @burgerkingJ
    @burgerkingJ 7 лет назад +42

    It's funny that Vegeta obtained all these forms exept for 2 of them. SSJ3 and SSJG. SSJG I can understand but SSJ3 will always remain a mystery.

    • @ludensmolato4769
      @ludensmolato4769 7 лет назад

      burgerkingJ Well Vegeta wasn't taught to go ss3 like gotenks, and it is unknown how Goku achieved it.

    • @burgerkingJ
      @burgerkingJ 7 лет назад +1

      Nah I think that part with Goku showing Goten and Trunks the SSJ3 was filler. The transformation itself is a mystery on how to acheive it though.

    • @ludensmolato4769
      @ludensmolato4769 7 лет назад +5

      burgerkingJ True, True, all we know is that it was achieved twice outside of the universe. (other world and The room of spirit and time)

    • @ludensmolato4769
      @ludensmolato4769 7 лет назад

      ***** The Hyperbolic Time chamber, what I said is the original term (Subs).

    • @christopherv623
      @christopherv623 7 лет назад +14

      burgerkingJ I believe it's because he's seen the disadvantages with Ssj3 when goku fought kid buu. It massively drains your energy and reduces usage time. So I think that he chose to look over it and surpass goku with his ssj2 form

  • @Arkfinity_
    @Arkfinity_ 7 лет назад +151

    I think Vegeta wasn't in awe of Gohan going Super Saiyan 2 simply because Gohan isn't as strong as he once was.

    • @Tracker947
      @Tracker947 7 лет назад +23

      De'Nico Hawkins He wouldn't of said it if he couldn't manage it at the level of power that Dabura was showing. Just like he was confident that he could defeat Freeza's first form because he didn't know that he had transformations. Vegeta is arrogant, but he's not stupid.

    • @gOblin_333
      @gOblin_333 7 лет назад +25

      If Gohan was still stronger than Vegeta, he probably would have said "After 7 years of training, I still can't surpass that accursed son of Kakarot"!

    • @renatot.5337
      @renatot.5337 7 лет назад +5

      Vegeta also thought he could defeat Final Form Freeza after his final zenkai. And yet we saw how that ended, right?

    • @1999bazz
      @1999bazz 7 лет назад +9

      Renato T. Because Freeza was holding back. If you were in Vegeta's shoes you would think the same thing

    • @parkinsaw
      @parkinsaw 6 лет назад +12

      Vegeta was prob a bit stronger than Teen Gohan's SSJ2 (before Majin power up) only thing that makes sense. Vegeta's target power had to have been teen Gohan's. Adult Gohan was only barely SSJ2, reason why Vegeta was so pissed, because there was a noticeable decline in his power. I'm sure in the 7 year gap Vegeta envisioned what Gohan's power was going to be and aimed for it. He expected Gohan to be on par or even slightly ahead of him. But was disappointed by what he saw. Why would Vegeta aim for less than teen Gohan's power lol
      *After Vegeta witnesses insane power he aims to surpass it. His SSJ1 was arguably stronger than Goku's at beginning of Android 19 saga. Would make little sense for him to aim for anything lower than teen Gohan's SSj2 power. (Teen Gohan's SSJ2 would be Vegeta's target power level goal as a bare minimum).

  • @darkside6101
    @darkside6101 7 лет назад +54

    I thought he only wanted babidis magic so he can become careless of his family and loved ones, because he thought that those things were holding him back from becoming stronger than goku... I might be wrong but that's what I remember from watching that shit as a teen. I specifically remember him becoming more wreck less like when he killed that crowd of people at the tournament

    • @eriklatta3937
      @eriklatta3937 6 лет назад

      yella yella it make him stronger automatically along with everything you said and so he can close the gap between him and goku

    • @Saint0999
      @Saint0999 6 лет назад

      yella yella he did say that. But he also said that he saw how gokus power was above his when he fought yakon. So he decided to go Majin.

    • @cremudgenguy2132
      @cremudgenguy2132 6 лет назад

      he needed big powr boost 2
      he wuz much weeker then kakarot

    • @MrMasterKaio
      @MrMasterKaio 6 лет назад +1

      in hindsight you could argue that babidi somehow "fed" his minions evil energy or opened up the place for the evil energy within them to extend and reinforce, by removing the good.

    • @cremudgenguy2132
      @cremudgenguy2132 6 лет назад

      wut

  • @thefelldragonite6188
    @thefelldragonite6188 7 лет назад +22

    7:45 That last look you give your friend before taking your girl in the bedroom

  • @PrinceRevolver
    @PrinceRevolver 7 лет назад +382

    I was unaware Goku transformed into Ssj 2 during his fight with Babidi's monster.

    • @Slamscape
      @Slamscape 7 лет назад +21

      www.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/452/10

    • @PrinceRevolver
      @PrinceRevolver 7 лет назад +10

      Slamscape that doesn't show any clear indication he did. Either way he did it.

    • @Slamscape
      @Slamscape 7 лет назад +4

      *****
      Yes. It does.
      Bulma is referring to ssj2 as if it was something usual, and not out of the ordinary. You think for a second she would have done so if it was something vegeta was not yet able to do?

    • @PrinceRevolver
      @PrinceRevolver 7 лет назад +15

      Slamscape wth are you talking about? I wasn't referring to Vegeta. Why bring up Bulma. I was clearly talking about Goku.

    • @Slamscape
      @Slamscape 7 лет назад

      *****
      Two different chats.
      And no. Vegeta would have have said ssj2, unless it was confirmed goku had ssj2

  • @zuribanks7626
    @zuribanks7626 7 лет назад +59

    So called "fans" who think he unlocked ssj2 because of babidi are usually vegeta haters and lowballers

    • @theinfinityeffect3244
      @theinfinityeffect3244 7 лет назад +12

      Even when I first read the manga I knew that Vegeta was SSJ 2 before bobidi

    • @BigRowles89
      @BigRowles89 6 лет назад +7

      Yeah anyone who thinks Vegeta would accept not pushing himself to the limit does not know Vegeta.

    • @redx9334
      @redx9334 6 лет назад +5

      Yea Vegeta works his ass off achieving ssj1 same thing he did with ssj2.

    • @Jayfym912
      @Jayfym912 Год назад

      Fr

  • @SuperGlobalKiller
    @SuperGlobalKiller 6 лет назад +27

    To me it always looked as, when Goku fought yakon, Vegeta was surprised ny the huge power reserve Goku had, for me it honted ssj3 actually. And indeed Vegeta thought they would actually be equal in a fight, Vegeta wanted an edge and babidi who, kind of unlocks maximum potential, gave him that.

  • @SpartanM1988
    @SpartanM1988 6 лет назад +10

    Reading some comments here makes me really doubt some people's intelligence. Have you read the Manga? Everything Vegeta says in it just proves this video's points. Learn to read between the lines. Isn't that something you learn normally in school?

    • @Alex-qd2yp
      @Alex-qd2yp 4 года назад

      SpartanM1988 vegeta overestimates himself a lot wouldn’t be surprising if her did it here

    • @topspur762
      @topspur762 3 года назад +1

      @@Alex-qd2yp he clearly wouldn’t overestimate himself to above a SSJ2 if he didn’t have the form. Common sense

  • @DeshawnX
    @DeshawnX 7 лет назад +19

    I agree. Also, when Gohan told Bulma he was going to enter the world tournament with Videl, Vegeta was all in. He knew how powerful SS2 Gohan was back then and even told him he's been doing nothing but training. Why would he even bother if he knew if he couldn't at least match that power?

    • @7dayspking
      @7dayspking 6 лет назад +1

      Vegeta has always bothered hahaha, even though the guy could sense power levels he thought he was a match for every enemy he encountered on Namek.

  • @SolusEmsu
    @SolusEmsu 7 лет назад +15

    Hm, I personally feel like it would be later on in the 7 year gap, mostly due to not having a good training partner during that time to push him, but yeah, I can easily see him already having achieved the form by the time of the tournament.
    Good show. The just using it to close the gap in raw power does make sense. Goku just cheats by getting super training with gods in the other world! Vegeta real man, no cheats! .. except the time chamber.

    • @Alex-qd2yp
      @Alex-qd2yp 4 года назад +1

      SS is a multiplier transformation not a power level aka not something you can train to

  • @RagingBlast2Fan
    @RagingBlast2Fan 5 лет назад +5

    We've been shown what one obtains by allowing themselves to come under the influence of Babidi. They become more resilient. They're able to take an impossible amount of damage and continue on fighting. This was demonstrated when Videl took on Spopovich. He had not become noticeably stronger than when he had fought Mr Satan. He was just as big a man before. The only difference was in his berserk state, and inhumane resilience. He was hit with Videls attacks just as any other normal human being. But now he just shrugged them off. Even if there is some incremental increase in power, which is not consistent with what we've been shown of Babidi's magic, there is no reason to believe Babidi could unlock a Saiyan's transformation for them.
    This in conjunction with Vegeta's attitude when Goku and Gohan were fighting their opponents serve as a cumulative case for why Vegeta certainly had unlocked SSJ2 prior to his encounter with Babidi. In saying all of this we're ignoring the narrative as a whole, and Vegeta's place in it. Vegeta was a ruthless Saiyan warrior. His job was to commit world-wide genocide over and over, and he would do away with allies if they became a burden, and finish off enemies just to ensure they didn't come back. The Vegeta prior to his death to Frieza, and the one who fought Majin Buu are different people. Slowly Vegeta became familiar with earth, attached himself to Bulma, and even had a child with her. He got soft. He wanted to recover the cold, faithless warrior he had been all his life. His only drive should have been self-preservation, and upholding his own pride. He believed Babidi could make him into what he was before, but as we know that didn't work. If anything it confirmed his knowledge that he had changed, and I believe that at the time of his death he came to accept the person he had changed into.
    The only reason this is even an issue is that people would like to maintain the gap between Goku and Vegeta. They want to expand it as much as the possibly can, and humiliate Vegeta. That's because Vegeta is proud, and when we see someone who is proud we want to break them. Of course this is a cartoon, but our nature is universal, whether that is in dealing with the real world or a created narrative like Dragon Ball Z. When we see someone full of themselves all we want is to see them fail. That's where drama came from.

  • @armedweiss5531
    @armedweiss5531 7 лет назад +51

    No he didn't get if by becoming a Majin. It makes no fucking sense for a power up from a guy who doesn't even know what super saiyan is to give someone the ability to access ss2.

    • @lordoflobsters7254
      @lordoflobsters7254 7 лет назад +6

      but elder kai didnt gave gohan a new form did he?

    • @NotAGrabbaghoul
      @NotAGrabbaghoul 7 лет назад +1

      RobtGaming No but he gave him a new upwards limits and more range in terms of power

    • @chsftball57
      @chsftball57 7 лет назад

      RobtGaming if he didn't give him a new for why does it have its own name? Why wouldn't it just be Gohan instead of Mystic or Ultimate or whatever the official title is?

    • @lordoflobsters7254
      @lordoflobsters7254 7 лет назад +5

      Its his base form but powered up. NOT a transformation

    • @SolosferaRPG
      @SolosferaRPG 7 лет назад +1

      I think that could be a union of factors.
      Rage. Broken Pride. Power boost...
      I don't think Babidi give Vegeta's a transformation. But that boost unlock the necessary.
      Opinion, course...

  • @joanierenk3138
    @joanierenk3138 7 лет назад +17

    pre-majin vegeta shows a bunch of times how he thinks hes superior to gohan

  • @alishabazz7431
    @alishabazz7431 5 лет назад +2

    Another way to prove that is.. vegeta turned SSJ2 very quick and easily before he engaged in battle with goku. He didn’t struggle. Which shows he already knew how to turn SSJ2. You don’t just know how to transform off bat from a boost of power.

  • @BladeStrike
    @BladeStrike 5 лет назад +2

    There is no evidence showing Vegeta had achieved ssj2 before Babidi boosted him. Your arguments are fairly weak but at the end of the day its up to interpretation, as it is never shown.
    My two cents:
    1: He looked down on Gohan for slacking off because of his warrior pride. Doesn't mean he can go ssj2 as well.
    2: Transformation are a multiplier. Because Gohan was not training, his ssj2 transformation was no longer impressive. His base power was much lower than against Cell.
    3: Gohan didn't turn ssj2 against Dabura, so of course an in-shape ssj Vegeta would have done far better. Remember, Dabura is also fighting to drain power for Buu, not to quickly win/kill.
    4: Just because Vegeta thinks he can beat someone, doesn't mean he can. His pride gets him in trouble more often than not.

    • @DamTec
      @DamTec 4 года назад

      I agree with every syllable

  • @83jbbentley
    @83jbbentley 7 лет назад +84

    Geeokdom 101 I have a question? Why do all the good guys mostly have blue energy beams? Like Goku, Ryu, Yusuke, Mega Man..etc cetra

    • @83jbbentley
      @83jbbentley 7 лет назад +14

      Ultimate N I know and red symbolizes war in most eastern cultures but it could be something more.?

    • @mpr1193
      @mpr1193 7 лет назад +3

      Joshua Bentley and most jedi have blue lightsabers.

    • @83jbbentley
      @83jbbentley 7 лет назад

      Setheran I'm
      Gonna make a video about it 😳

    • @Sunvy101
      @Sunvy101 7 лет назад

      becouse bad gyes have evil ki. good gyes have good ki. 2 colors symbolize Good and Evil

    • @83jbbentley
      @83jbbentley 7 лет назад

      Syed Sazzad Ahmed Maijin Vegetable had blue energy

  • @Bahptiste
    @Bahptiste 7 лет назад +5

    Vegeta trained for those 7 years while Gohan didn't. Gohan may have the most potential but Vegeta's rage is second to his^

  • @zinbx
    @zinbx 4 года назад +2

    I'm glad this video was made!! I tell people this all the time that Vegeta knew how to turn SS2 Before Majin!!

  • @zakmi11
    @zakmi11 2 года назад +1

    He also transforms effortlessly in front of Goku. They almost never achieve a new form without some long drawn out strain. He looked like he had already made that transformation several times

  • @sammye3511
    @sammye3511 7 лет назад +118

    Super Saiyan 2 vegeta solos the whole one shit universe
    #DBS >>>>>> ONE SHIT

    • @unboxedninja
      @unboxedninja 7 лет назад

      Sammy E true

    • @derricksmoove989
      @derricksmoove989 7 лет назад

      Sammy E lol

    • @camronhorry4912
      @camronhorry4912 7 лет назад

      Sammy E true

    • @sponge963
      @sponge963 7 лет назад +13

      One Piece is an amazing shounen manga. I still prefer Dragon Ball over One Piece but calling a widely recognized shounen that has even sold more manga than DBZ shit is a bit unfair. I mean it is the best selling manga world wide.

    • @RezemHQ
      @RezemHQ 7 лет назад

      Sponge Bond was*
      Last year one piece got beat

  • @kyleisreal_tv
    @kyleisreal_tv 7 лет назад +111

    Wait ppl really thought he could only turn SSJ2 from being Majin Vegeta? Wow that,s not knowing Vegeta very well XD

    • @kyleisreal_tv
      @kyleisreal_tv 7 лет назад +7

      Wtf really? I thought it was well known lmao

    • @thetannernation
      @thetannernation 6 лет назад +8

      Killua Zoldyck
      A lot of people, myself included, believe Vegeta obtained SSJ2 post Majin because we never saw Vegeta go SSJ2 before Majin. And on top of that, the daizenshuu states that SSJ2 Vegeta and Majin Vegeta have similar power

    • @A.S.28
      @A.S.28 6 лет назад

      Killua Zoldyck Probably your low IQ

    • @joshshin6819
      @joshshin6819 6 лет назад

      No one knows the actual truth. Only the creator.
      So either theory is correct till shown by the creator. Myself and many others go with the Mark being his tipping point to ss2.
      Not to say he didn't have the potential for ss2 at that time but the Mark was the last piece in the puzzle to open the door.

    • @harleyzeth
      @harleyzeth 6 лет назад +3

      Josh Shin The creator doesn't know either lmao he forgot ss2 even existed. He thought ss3 was ss2.

  • @truthpreppin7630
    @truthpreppin7630 6 лет назад +1

    I used to hate you, now I love you. Been following you for about a year now. keep up the good work

  • @handaewhi
    @handaewhi 7 лет назад +54

    It makes me sad to think that people actually think Vegeta only reached ssj2 because of Babidi

    • @juliusrobinson5863
      @juliusrobinson5863 6 лет назад +6

      Ikr. 😢

    • @jediael9906
      @jediael9906 6 лет назад +1

      wateract bengga Goku only achieved ssj because of frieza remember that

    • @treygoode2656
      @treygoode2656 5 лет назад +1

      wateract bengga ••• so when did he hit ss2 before or after babidi ?

    • @treygoode2656
      @treygoode2656 5 лет назад

      thegigadykid1 ••• when does vegeta go ss2 no when does he fight somone as a ss2 ... not majin vegeta but ss2 vegeta

    • @dustnea
      @dustnea 5 лет назад +1

      @Luis Alejandroyou're right. They're using Vegeta's dialogue as evidence. He's always saying that. In the context of the story he was saying that stuff to convince Dabura and Babidi that he was the one with a hint of evil in him and was stronger than the others. He was bluffing to get the power boost. I love Geekdom but in this case he's wrong and the rest are just sheep.

  • @praveenloganathan7495
    @praveenloganathan7495 2 года назад +1

    I think that Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan 2 during the 7 year time skip and worked non-stop to perfect it in any way possible. What he was surprised is the fact that Goku managed to reach that same level during his time in the afterlife. He knew that Goku got ridiculously strong in the afterlife with King Kai's help, but now he's on a whole new level.
    Vegeta who learnt to sense and suppress energy realized that Goku has something more to his power and he's possibly stronger than him at that point. Like all of us, Vegeta was curious to find out what the new level of power he has and he got his idea with the Majin.
    The Majin mode has done three things to him. It not only forced him to go back to his old ruthless self, but it also boosted his powers and subtly unlocked his innate potential. I have a theory that the reason for Goku and Gohan to be stronger than Vegeta in the earlier arc are the results of their potentials being unlocked. Goku's one is unlocked by drinking the Ultra Divine Water, while Gohan got his boost by Elder Guru's unlock ability along with Krillin.
    On top of that Gohan was born to Goku many years after Goku's victory over Piccolo. Thus the young Saiyan's potential is a lot higher than others. The Enraged State of Vegeta in the Battle of Gods is the result of this unlock, which remained even after Vegeta lost Majin Mark and his initial body.

  • @m74568
    @m74568 6 лет назад +2

    Vegeta already achieved SSJ2 but Babidi's power allowed Vegeta to be a high level SSJ2. That boost was needed because Goku had SSJ3.

  • @MaximumJMS
    @MaximumJMS 7 лет назад +1

    Spot on the analyst. One thing I like to add is Vegeta trained in the gravity room for 7 years after cell arc. Thats how both Goku and Vegeta became super saiyan 1. Goku during his trip to Namek, although he didn't know he was gonna become a super saiyan and Vegeta after the freiza arc spent 3 years in the gravity room. So spending 7 years in the gravity room gave Vegeta a huge boost.

  • @DavidLopez-ck6zf
    @DavidLopez-ck6zf 4 года назад +2

    Fanboys say vegeta achieved ssj2 when he became majin but I don’t think so because unlike gohan he kept training for 7 years

    • @DavidLopez-ck6zf
      @DavidLopez-ck6zf 4 года назад

      @Rowan Rajah Your gonna hear a lot of fanboy being mention, talking shit about others opinions in the dbz community. Get used to it. Not everyone in the dbz community is gonna agree with my opinion or your opinion like right now what we’re doing with Gogeta vs Jiren/UI goku

  • @TheSavageGent
    @TheSavageGent 6 лет назад +3

    I always thought that when Vegeta was talking about that scene with Yakon it was the fact Vegeta could tell Goku had achieved strength even further than ssj2(ssj3) so that’s why he wanted the boost. I believe Goku just didn’t want to waste his energy going ssj3 because his time would end, and to make the match fair coz Goku never goes all out on someone if it makes him OP(unless you hurt his friends).

  • @danielvasquez3980
    @danielvasquez3980 7 лет назад +221

    I hope cabba turns super saiyan 2

    • @PedroMatos482
      @PedroMatos482 7 лет назад +5

      Hector Vasquez I hope he goes Blue so he has a chance of winning

    • @ludensmolato4769
      @ludensmolato4769 7 лет назад +24

      Trovão Wait, cabba going Blue that fast? that's a bit crazy don't you think? I mean he just achieved ssj and you want him to go ssb already? Damn dude.

    • @olmansoul9231
      @olmansoul9231 7 лет назад

      Chris Sanchez I feel you. But maybe since champs already knew the fighters he probably had them training with vados off screen, or at least maybe Cabba saw how much stronger he had to get so asked vados just like vegeta off screen, I mean 9 months did fly by and bulma is gonna have a baby since the tournament.

    • @danielvasquez3980
      @danielvasquez3980 7 лет назад +7

      super saiyan rose I want to see his build up first, going blue would ruin the character development he has when he first turned ssj

    • @ludensmolato4769
      @ludensmolato4769 7 лет назад +1

      super saiyan rose Yeah but Going from ss1 straight to blue is almost like an ass Pull. He would have to do a crap ton of training, Vegeta even said that if he continues training then he will achieve ssb, but he'll have to go ss2 before that. Either way They couldn't learn ssb on their own, they needed whis.

  • @char_lizard8440
    @char_lizard8440 6 лет назад +2

    Says Babidi's power doesn't make you transform. Then Spopavich comes back to the tournament literally transformed into something new lolol

  • @ScarletKnight-mq5cz
    @ScarletKnight-mq5cz 2 года назад +1

    Vegeta being underwhelmed/disappointed by Gohan’s power in the Buu saga doesn’t mean he was stronger than him. He’s simply stating that he’s not the fighter he once was. I don’t need to be a better footballer than Ronaldo to say that he’s not as good as he was in his prime.

  • @TheAnthonyCascio
    @TheAnthonyCascio 7 лет назад +37

    Seriously, it's only logical that he achieved the form within the 7 year time skip. Do people really think that Vegeta, who essentially trains non-stop, wouldn't achieve the same power level/transformation Gohan did before the Cell games? AFTER 7 YEARS?! How dumb could you be?

    • @kevinreynold5590
      @kevinreynold5590 7 лет назад +3

      Anthony Cascio true vegeta is workhorse and he is natural full blooded,he spends lot of times by training

    • @itscarneezy
      @itscarneezy 6 лет назад

      If that was true then majin wouldn’t be needed

    • @CariX0
      @CariX0 6 лет назад +4

      ItsAfroBoiii wouldn’t be needed it?? Itwas to gain and extra a power boost fool
      ssj2 vegeta vs ssj2 goku they would’ve been equal
      Majin ssj2 vs goku ssj2 vegeta would’ve been stronger if not goku being able to go ssj3
      Got it?

    • @itscarneezy
      @itscarneezy 6 лет назад

      Hanson the fight was equal to until the very end , goku got distracted , what I’m saying he is, Vegeta needed help to go so super saiyan 2

    • @CariX0
      @CariX0 6 лет назад +6

      ItsAfroBoiii what makes you think he needed help to go ssj2?
      That was vegetas first fight since the cell arc when ssj was even needed....When vegeta watched gohan fight against dabura as a ssj2 vegeta claimed to be even stronger and would have finished the fight sooner hinting he was already as a ssj2 stronger than gohan was against cell....
      babadis mind control doesn’t make you transform it just gives a power boost
      Even after the fight when they fought against kid buu and super buu Vegeta was a ssj2 without babadi’s control

  • @DravenThorson
    @DravenThorson 7 лет назад +4

    sheesh, I can't believe that all needed to be explained, that already was a given to me so when did these theories that; vegeta first went ss2 when he went majin, start popping up?

    • @WouldDuck
      @WouldDuck 3 года назад

      Hey it’s been 4 years, but I haven’t played a dbz game where vegeta could go ssj2 before majin arc, also the understanding of how saiyans work it doesn’t make sense vegeta would just “take power” from someone else to beat goku. Unless there were no options. There’s no evidence to support he had the form prior, he has been training for years, his ssj itself would be an amazing power boost compared to before. Anyway it could go either way but I just don’t see him being able to transform without the shift in emotions he got from babidi. I mean he did struggle super hard for the first form. And his character writing changed a ton from this point on. I don’t really understand vegeta fans, he’s not a good guy or wasn’t, super rewrote his character a lot but he gave up fighting “for good” 2 separate times in the manga just to come back and lose to goku again

  • @armandowillem3694
    @armandowillem3694 4 года назад +13

    "BROLY! The Legendary SUPER SAIYAN! How many pushups did he do? How many sit ups?
    AND WHAT KIND OF JUICE DID HE DRINK!?!
    He's soo DAMN COOL, but soo DAMN STUPID!"-
    TFS VEGETA (Renegade for Life)

  • @johngladman4291
    @johngladman4291 5 лет назад +2

    Great video. I agree with everything said! Vegeta already knew he was stronger than Gohan and Gohan could still go SSJ2 so it’s pretty obvious with just that evidence alone.

  • @dragonellplays9818
    @dragonellplays9818 7 лет назад +3

    "I'm going to tell you guys how Vegeta unlocked Super saiyan 2, because all of you have been wrong over these years making misconceptions as to when it happened... I know everything, im the best Db youtuber ever lolz for days..."

  • @shinjid3705
    @shinjid3705 7 лет назад +66

    Whoever started that bs with vegeta only achieving ssj2 through his majin transformation should be punched in the face and kicked off the moutain

    • @gammafrost
      @gammafrost 6 лет назад +2

      Shinji D I don’t know if I’d go that far lol but I definitely agree that it’s stupid some people think he only awakened it because of Babidi.

    • @godshollownutsack9272
      @godshollownutsack9272 5 лет назад +7

      Triggered much? Calm your tits

    • @icjet1ks
      @icjet1ks 5 лет назад +1

      so true

    • @PROTAGONIST_48
      @PROTAGONIST_48 5 лет назад +1

      Calm down, bro....

    • @metalmurcielago
      @metalmurcielago 5 лет назад +1

      You can try

  • @Ap32023
    @Ap32023 Год назад +1

    Before goku fought fat majin buu, he went SSJ2. Babidi wasn't impressed, he said, "so it's this trick again, what a waste of energy. Vegeta did the same thing & look what happened to him." Then goku said, "I'm guessing an ascended super sayain isn't much of a challenge for you, how about we take it up to the next level."

  • @Tamethefrontier
    @Tamethefrontier 7 лет назад

    Im so glad this guy talks some real sense about dragon ball, if youve been a hardcore fan since the 90s like us, theres just an old school way of viewing dragon ball and understanding it thats lost on the newer fans. Im glad you reppin this part of the fandom and slinging REAL knowledge.

  • @AdmiraHax
    @AdmiraHax 7 лет назад +5

    You know... In my country. In the past. When I was a little kid....
    Some people actually belived that Vegeta never achieved Super Saiyan 2. Like never. They tought that Vegeta could only match Goku because Majin boost.
    And they tought Vegeta skipped two forms.

  • @thenbenagcz3931
    @thenbenagcz3931 5 лет назад +5

    Vegeta was ssj2 after resurrection Majin for just boost his ss2

  • @ericstaples7220
    @ericstaples7220 6 лет назад +1

    I believe the Majin power boost allowed Vegeta to push into SS2. My reasoning is Piccolo. When he sees Vegeta in SS2, fighting Fat Buu, he says, "I haven't felt this kind of power since Gohan fought Cell." If Vegeta had been able to go SS2 prior to that, Piccolo and everyone would have sensed it, no matter where on the planet he was.
    And Vegeta was unimpressed by adult Gohan's SS2, because, as he said, Gohan was MUCH weaker than when he fought Cell due to lack of training.
    Supreme Kai said adult Gohan was still the strongest fighter in the tournament. He didn't know of Goku's powers, because he was dead, but he was well aware of Gohan's SS2 before going to Earth. Surely, he would have also known of Vegeta's SS2 form if he had one and have said Vegeta was the strongest, but he didn't say that.

    • @ericstaples7220
      @ericstaples7220 6 лет назад +1

      Vegeta also said the gap between him and Goku was too big after just sensing Goku's SS2 form for a second in his fight with Yakkon. That gap was the gap between SS1 and SS2.

  • @rickyandreou
    @rickyandreou 3 года назад +1

    There are valid arguments for both sides. I had long believed that the "Majin" boost granted Vegeta SSJ2. What convinces me the most about this is the fact that Vegeta only sees a flash of Goku's SSJ2 & this is enough to convince him that he wasn't on Goku's level & needed the Majin power boost to catch up.

    • @hitkid2456
      @hitkid2456 3 года назад

      That's where the story gets iffy. Because when he comes back as himself again, is he really still just as strong?

  • @AdamNicholsMusic
    @AdamNicholsMusic 7 лет назад +24

    Is there any point in this? You are trying to figure out something even the writers didn't consider. they're conversation would of been "For this fight shall we make Vegeta SSJ2?" "Yeahhhh why not" and that was probably it. Some people take the story wayy too seriously!

  • @randyqquaint8400
    @randyqquaint8400 7 лет назад +48

    I watched this while pooping and I completely agree with all of it.

    • @Pjblaze93
      @Pjblaze93 6 лет назад +1

      David Milleramo same

    • @mak3yasmiil3
      @mak3yasmiil3 6 лет назад +2

      David Milleramo I am legit watching this on the toilet and my name is David lmfao

    • @royrussell8400
      @royrussell8400 4 года назад +1

      Same here

  • @1tevinmurry
    @1tevinmurry Год назад +1

    Right, Goku & Vegeta were both already at SS2, when the Majin Buu Arc started.

  • @harana5595
    @harana5595 7 лет назад +2

    Geekdom101 I also think that during that scene in which Vegeta was training with Trunks (Gravity chamber) at the beginning of the Buu arc, was transformed into SSJ2. Even though we don't get to see the electricity, we could clearly see that he was more buffed-up and with spikier hair...

    • @marselllaski6626
      @marselllaski6626 7 лет назад

      J Sarria Theyre the transformations called Super and Ultra those werent SS2

    • @BAMFMATTDAYMON
      @BAMFMATTDAYMON 6 лет назад

      Vegeta disregarded the super and ultra transformations after the cell games were finished.

  • @SageofSorrow
    @SageofSorrow 3 года назад +7

    Majin Vegeta was definitely the most interesting plot point of the entirety of the Buu Saga and much like Deborah and his demon king backstory....it was gone too soon. Buu saga started off solid with a some pretty cool plot points that built mystery behind a lot of very interesting idea...then just fell apart(right around the time Vegeta scarified himself) and turned into almost a parody of itself

  • @reinhard.gainzz
    @reinhard.gainzz 7 лет назад +60

    caulifa achieved in like 2 minutes >> makes ssj2 look like nothing. my favorite transformation

    • @alexisvnc
      @alexisvnc 6 лет назад +21

      dragon ball super is garbage dude. They learn ss1 and ss2 in 2 minutes with no effort. Makes it look like a joke when you take into consideration how much time Vegeta and Goku needed to achieve those transformations.
      DBS is to milk the shit out of DB franchise only.

    • @voxdelalito
      @voxdelalito 6 лет назад +3

      Toriyama explained why that is though. The S cells in their bodies were amplified because they have peace on their planet, or at least it's better than earth. On earth, Gohan achieved it easier than his dad because he was more kindhearted. Goten and Trunks got it easier for the same reason. You should look up that interview, it honestly all makes sense when you factor in how Gohan and Goten got to be SS

    • @alexisvnc
      @alexisvnc 6 лет назад +20

      dude don't come up to me with that BS lol
      Akira said that to cover up for the awful writing. You need to justify you're writing. DBS is fucking awful. It makes Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2 and SS3 look like nothing and like a joke. Everyone can achieve in a matter of minutes LOL it doesn't work that way. If you're not strong enough you won0t be able to pull it off.
      But no, giving power ups out of nowhere is where it's at apparently lmao

    • @leftnut1620
      @leftnut1620 6 лет назад

      well part of it is, that they would already be at that level, they just didnt know how to do it

    • @spikelazuli7676
      @spikelazuli7676 6 лет назад +3

      Considering Ssj already got bad when Goten and Trunks got Ssj, without effort or anything, they just got it..
      Tbh its not Super, Gt or even Z problem, its that the Super Saiyan forms got Marketable, so thats why all Saiyans Alive at this point, have Super Saiyan 1-2 (Btw Alexis, are you hating/ranting on Z or Super? Akira explained to both Goten, Trunks, Caulifla, Kale etc, i not a Super fanboy who would die for it, but come on man, don't explode in fire on just one show)

  • @omegahtv6779
    @omegahtv6779 5 лет назад

    Great video yo!

  • @The1Question
    @The1Question 7 лет назад +1

    Vegeta even stated before his fight with Puipui that he is the most powerful fighter alive. Of course that was before he saw a glimpse of Goku having SSJ2 power against Yarkon, and realized that Goku also can go SSJ2 now.

  • @vegetatheprince5569
    @vegetatheprince5569 4 года назад +3

    As Prince Vegeta I thank you for this video and I fully agree with you💯and because of this I won't kill you💀

  • @InphazeC8
    @InphazeC8 5 лет назад +1

    It makes sense. Vegeta achieved super Saiyan one on his own in the Android saga. Then achieved the super vegeta form in the time chamber. Once he realized the muscles were a down fall he definitely figured it out on his own. So he was super saiyan 2 prior to Babidi.

  • @malachichristian9527
    @malachichristian9527 7 лет назад

    you may have taken my milkshake and my burger but there is one thing a saiyan keeps...HIS FRIES

  • @alexadjust393
    @alexadjust393 5 лет назад +1

    Haven't watched the sub or read the manga in ages so I can't cite anything BUT it's rational to say he at least knew how to achieve SSJ2. It's something learned as much as it is attained through raw power so I think you've made a pretty sound argument.

  • @adrianmichel8959
    @adrianmichel8959 7 лет назад +3

    very excited for the new arc today. I have a feeling that the clown God of destruction is going to be the strongest God of destruction.

    • @AstralComposition
      @AstralComposition 7 лет назад

      adrian michel oh crap that's today?

    • @adrianmichel8959
      @adrianmichel8959 7 лет назад

      Ace yeah man just thinking about it is making me cum brain sperm.

    • @AstralComposition
      @AstralComposition 7 лет назад

      adrian michel haha welp now I'm hype af I can't wait

    • @pavy415
      @pavy415 4 года назад

      The clown is the strongest

  • @DeistMaybe
    @DeistMaybe 7 лет назад +4

    So basically you're saying Vegeta was as strong as Teen SSJ2 Gohan, who, in turn, is far weaker than SSJ2 Goku? This has to be the case if Vegeta had SSJ2, yet still needed the Majin boost to compete with Goku. Or are you underestimating the Majin boost? Vegeta's intrigue was captured due to those lackies at the tournament. He was then happy with the results of the Majin boost which means the boost was as exceptionally great as Vegeta imagined. So you can't dismiss the boost as trivial or weak. Now...Vegeta, after training even harder than Goku, still was far weaker after achieving SSJ2 during the 7 year gap or the Majin boost that allowed him to further tap into his rage enabled Vegeta to turn SSJ2 for the first time and match Goku as his equal. I choose to believe the latter because no way was Vegeta that much weaker than Goku after all that effort

    • @jocoolshow
      @jocoolshow 6 лет назад

      DeistMaybe What makes you say Vegeta trained harder than Goku?

    • @ZeusVA
      @ZeusVA 6 лет назад +1

      Jo-Smooth Goku stated it himself

    • @stormbringer2840
      @stormbringer2840 5 лет назад

      There is a simple reason of why goku was far stronger : he didn't need to sleep or eat and was constantly at max level of energy .
      He stated it himself that when he was dead his body didn't get tired this is how he achieved SSJ3 .
      Comparatively Vegeta may have trained harder for 7 year but goku had in fact 14 year of training under his belt since he could train for 24 hours day rather than something like 12 hour .

  • @MonsterbirdNation
    @MonsterbirdNation 5 лет назад +1

    I agree. Vegeta nearly killed himself becoming a Super Sayain to catch up to Goku and now a child had surpassed him. He would have definitely become SSj2 close to the end of the Cell Games or he probably would have committed suicide by time the Buu saga even started.

  • @Shimigani1701
    @Shimigani1701 7 лет назад

    Good to see that my past theories and Geekdom's align almost 100 percent

  • @SILMANTV
    @SILMANTV 7 лет назад +6

    IF Goku and Vegeta are At the same Level Vegeta Is The Better Fighter

    • @marselllaski6626
      @marselllaski6626 7 лет назад +2

      TwArDxL Doubtful

    • @jaimehernandez9311
      @jaimehernandez9311 6 лет назад +1

      TwArDxL no. Goku is the better fighter. That’s why he can unlock all his forms before Vegeta. That’s why he says from the very beginning, even a low class Saiyan can surpass an elite with proper training. Vegeta never gets training from someone else until Whis. But Goku of course pulls his Kaioken and surpasses his again

    • @WaveKingJo
      @WaveKingJo 6 лет назад

      @@marselllaski6626 Nah, Vegeta is definitely a better fighter, Goku just trains better

    • @123jov5
      @123jov5 5 лет назад

      WaveKingJo what.... how -_-

  • @aazanahmed8325
    @aazanahmed8325 7 лет назад +12

    Vegeta was a stronger ssj2 but Goku was ultimately stronger than him as he had hidden away his ssj3

    • @marselllaski6626
      @marselllaski6626 7 лет назад +6

      Aazan Ahmed Nope Goku's SS2 was still stronger then his thats why he let himself in Babidi's magic

    • @jocoolshow
      @jocoolshow 6 лет назад +3

      SSJ3 Goku >>> SSJ2 Goku = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta > SSJ2 Vegeta

  • @stereotypical114
    @stereotypical114 4 года назад +1

    I always thought that it was weird that vegeta went super saiyan 2 when he went majin, it’s been established that the transformations happen by using rage as a catalyst to go beyond their current power so this is pretty credible imo

  • @iOnyxApple
    @iOnyxApple 4 года назад +1

    You have convinced me that vegeta had ssj2 prior to the majin takeover but in turn, by your arguments Vegeta had to have been MASSIVELY weaker than Goku to need the Majin transformation just to be even with goku. Like pitifully weaker, making me think he probably learned the transformation later in the timeskip rather than sooner as you stated. The longer they have forms mastered, the stronger they get. Opposite with Goku, he trained Gohan knowing he had dormant power within him and seeing him through to that transformation for a year in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber would give him more insight than vegeta who only saw the moment he transformed and the after affects.
    Also, I remember during a video about I saw about Vegeta's pride, he stated he knew goku was holding back during their fight and im willing to ascertain that he figured Goku had found a way to surpass an ascended super saiyan. I would think he found that out during Goku's first transformation vs Yakon. Seeing how much stronger Goku's ssj2 is vs his own, ans knowing Kakarot wouldn't go full power againt an entry level enemy probably made him realize, Goku has even more energy he's hiding from us.

  • @BubbleGum566
    @BubbleGum566 7 лет назад +3

    "Mr Satan ran through him like a hot knife" #MrSatanPowerlevel #1000degreeKnife.