He would be a great One Piece movie villain with Ace being the main character. We could also see him hunting down other ancient devil fruit users and Ace crossing paths with him.
That's why I don't like most One Piece movies, I feel like they're often a wasted opportunity to tell a more interesting/relevant/canon story for the sake of fanservice... it doesn't have to be canon but at least make it a focused story not overflowing with random cameos or characters that end up having tiny roles.
Toei doesn't want to take such a risk as making a One Piece movie that doesn't have the main characters in it. Though Ace is himself massively popular (still a regular top 10 in the popularity polls more than a decade after his death), so a movie staring him would probably still be successful.
There’s another layer to all of this. Caesar blew up punk hazard 4 years before the present story, and returned to punk hazard 3 years ago. Additionally, in the pre-timeskip era, Doflamingo’s smile production is clearly a relatively recent thing. The timelines match up nicely, Smiles, and potentially also Doflamingo himself, were brought in as replacements for Hanafuda’s ancient zoan supply.
Add to the thoery: Hanafuda is Ulti and Page one father. In the sps it stated that they were the children of poweful pirate and close friend to Kaido (fans though the father might be a rocks pirate). And Ulti and Page one eat their fruits at young age to be useful to Kaido (where are 2 kids gonna find rare devil fruits in the new world?)
Hanafuda also seemed to be set up early on. The 7 warlords were based off of the 7 heroes from romancing saga 2. The spot Kuma occupied seemed not to gel because Dantarg was a dinosaur man that wanted to assimilate more monsters to get even stronger. Hanafuda's existence now makes sense.
@@BraveGisgoit was around ace’s flashback in wano. A lot of people thought he was the “Ace” in Kaido’s crew and he also wore a necklace that resembled onigashima iirc
Imagine Crocodile invites Hanafuda to join Cross Guild and he actually accepts it. Would be a nice way of introducing him into the story without slowing down the plot at all.
If he were to be the man with the burn scars, and Cross guild somehow got hold of this information they would likely be the ones the realize his identity, bringing them closer to the one piece chase unlike now. Considering Two of the first Warlords are present at the guild and would've been in contact with him the most.
Dont think that Hanafuda is the man with the burned scars, think its gonna be someone with more plot importance despite Hanafuda supplying Kaido years prior. Instead, i think this will be something we see in the Ace manga, something like Ace's 'Crocodile defeat' moment ala Luffy.
@@AmanKumar-hz7ts he didnt have to be with the gov now, hence Aokiji didnt know who man marked by flames is, and he was an admiral so he would've known. Hanafuda was a warlord so he had connections to the gov already and after he got defeated by Ace maybe he went into hiding and maybe he already had the poneglyph without the gov knowing. It would be cool if he's the man marked by flames ngl and we see him in the story
I think in a meta story writing sense, Hanafuda *was* the original Kaido. Back before Oda invented the Warlords Luffy was going to go into the new world and immediately fight the Emperors (remember the story wasn't intended to be this long). Hanafuda then is essentially the lower level version of Kaido that would have existed in this shorter timeline. As the story progressed and what Kaido would have to be escalated, Oda developed the Kaido we know now, but he still had this old design kicking around, and used it for this SBS question.
@@j-star1 You know it's been so long I legitimately forget that Only Shanks and white beard Were shown properly in the initial showing of the four emperors and that two of them looked extremely generic And it is just hilarious Do you think on how much the designs changed
I'm hoping Hanafuda joins Cross Guild to complete the 7 warlords motif now that Blackbeard, Jinbei are spoken for. Kuma will probably join the Revs or die, Boa could join Luffy's fleet and no way Law and Doffy are working in the same crew.
@@UltraPickleMan It's kind of expected that almost no one stays dead in One Piece, besides people want to see this character come up in the story. Ultimately it's up to Oda, obviously
@@christianvondruska8244 True, but characters who died before the story started *do* usually stay dead. Not always (Saul and Sabo say hi), but usually.
A fun fact, a recent study examining all the recovered T Rex fossils suggests T Rex could have gotten 50% larger than the largest individual found thus far. For context, the largest T Rex, Scotty, is around 13m long and 4m at the hip and the potential largest individuals could be as big as 15m. That along with having among the most powerful bites of any vertebrate and super keen sense makes T Rex’s title of King of the Lizards still very deserving.
@@feroas3150He basically exists to show that Kaido was always in contact with the underworld nothing more so yeah he is going to stay as a "myth" only
@@PER578 carried by law, basically just yeeted big mom instead of a proper defeat then got one shot by shanks alongside his whole crew. The slander is well deserved
@PER578 No, he pushed dumb mom off an island, did barely any damage, except for one attack, and was at best an aggro tank. Dumb mom did not use her speed which we know she has due to fighting kaido for 3 days, nor any form of advanced haki. She was hurt by falling metal. Like, do you know how weak that is compared to a wano luffy g4 punches?
I think Hanafuda will return is Elbaf…. As the Man Marked by Flame. I have 3 reasons to support this claim. 1. He fought, and lost to Ace. That’s where he got marked. 2. There is thematic symmetry for a T-Rex Zoan user to be present during the Elbaf, as an homage to Little Garden. 3. He would had connections in New World and would probably had an opportunity to take the last Poneglyph when nobody was looking.
Idk about on Elbaf, BBs crew said that man was constantly sailing not just hanging out on an island. It's possible just not likely unless they went to Elbaf, not a WG island but affiliated with Shanks, as an alleged WG agent.
@@aritrasaha441 Oda tried to get it into the story with Whisky Peak which was supposed to be an island of bounty hunters but i guess that didnt work so well because Zoro just ended up soloing the whole thing and now people dont even remember bounty hunting was even a part of the arc.
I'm just going to write what I said in twitter when the SBS 109 came out, July 1: " New theory/explaination unlocked! Until 5 years ago -> Hanafuda had the title of Warlord. [canon] Until 5 years ago -> Hanafuda worked with Kaido, and he was selling him Ancient Zoans (5 in total). [theory] 5 years ago -> Ace beat his ass. [canon] 5 years ago -> Ace entered Wano to challenge Kaido. He became friends with Tama and Yamato. [canon] 4~5 years ago -> Ace became a Whitebeard Pirate. [canon] 4~5 years ago -> Doflamingo and Kaido became business partners with their weapon industry. [canon] 3~4 years ago -> = Caesar began his partnership with Doflamingo. This allowed the production of SAD, a substance that allowed to grow SMILE fruits in Dressrosa. 2~3 years ago -> After successfully growing SMILEs, Joker sold them to Kaido. [canon] 2 years ago -> Business is booming for Doflamingo, which doesn't make Sengoku happy. [canon] 2 years ago -> The slave trade is not really profitable anymore so Joker let Disco deal with its bad consequences, while he invests into SMILEs. [canon/theory] 3 months ago -> Kaido amassed an army of 500 SMILEs, thus he bought a total of 500×10=5000 fruits from Joker. 3 months ago -> Luffy beat his ass. 2 weeks ago -> Luffy entered Wano to challenge Kaido, and he won. He became friends with Tama and Yamato. [canon] There's a nice parallel between Ace and Luffy: beating the Warlord who dealt with Kaido then challenging him and befriending Tama and Yamato. Also Hanafuda 100 % had the T-Rex Zoan Devil Fruit since he was the “King of Lizards”. [theory] In the continuity of his connection with Kaido, I think he must have been a Tobi Roppo / the 3rd Okaban at the time, and Kaido sent him on a mission to get Ancient Zoans. [theory] "
1:43 haven’t seen much and I’m sure the rest will be good, but Ace didn’t go to Wano until he joined WB because he wanted to avenge the man who originally held his position
What if he had the dark dark fruit and was stealing devil fruit abilities and putting them into fruits? When Ace killed him, his fruit then became free, and it allowed for Thatch to find it.
Given that Ace defeated Hanafuda this can't be true that he (Hanafuda) had the dark dark fruit. In the battle between Ace and Blackbeard we clearly saw that Ace was helpless against Blackbeard's abilities. There is no way that Ace previously fought and defeated the same ability user.
You don't need the Dark Dark fruit to take a fruit ability, you can just kill the user and have some normal fruits around. Though it would be interesting to see where Thatch found the DD fruit, it would offer some clues in the Rocks Pirates storyline
The kusarigama that he fights with is a distinctly historical Japanese weapon. That along with his Japanese name (Hanafuda) makes me suspect he is a Wano native.
It's also interesting that Ace's bounty was 550 Million. Perhaps that's the bounty he got after beating Hanafuda which backs up the idea that Ace was pretty much at the same point in his progression as post-Dressrosa Luffy before getting derailed by Whitebeard then dying at Marineford.
1:38 - Jinbe* was Ace's final (and probably the most difficult given his 5-day duel) opponent before he joined Whitebeard. We literally see it in the flashback. 4:09 - Using "all but guarantees" pretty loosely there... 5:13 - Making things up now... 6:42 - Using "must" pretty loosely too... 7:13 - "Factually"... 8:25 - Just a note: If the Ace novels are canon, Ace must have defeated Hanafuda in Paradise because he was offered the Warlord position before entering the New World. 9:10 - Hanafuda has to be weaker than Jinbe because Ace after DEFEATING Hanafuda, TIED with Jinbe. Given how uncharitable you are with Jinbe, you will have to keep the same energy with Hanafuda. 9:49 - It's "Tyrant Lizard King" but I'll let it slide... 10:12 - Actually if you go by mass (which a lot of scientists do for some reason) T-Rex is still on top... 11:30 - P-T-E-R-A-N-O-D-O-N... It's right there... 12:28 - He collects Ancient Zoan Devil Fruits. It is never stated that he hunted Ancient Zoan Devil Fruit Users. That's an assumption... 13:20 - Again we don't know that... We don't know if he was allied with Kaido, if he was in Wano, or if he had a an organizarion... We are piling speculations on top of speculations at this point... 13:38 - "Only"...? How do we know that...? 14:09 - Yeah, it's not like Ace fought another Warlord the same year at a different location... It's not like Ace also met with another emperor before meeting Whitebeard on another non-Wano location... It's not like Ace could visit multiple islands in the same year... It must be Wano...
I’m fairly sure that the “man with the burn scar” is this mysterious warlord that ace defeated. If he was able to procure ancient zoan fruits, it wouldn’t be out of the question that he was also able to grab the last Rio Poneglyph!
There is an extra layer to that. Ulti and Page One are told to be the children of an pirate that was afiliated with Kaido, and that Kaido decided to take care of those two after this associate was killed. So it's not impossible that Ulti and Page One are the children of Hanafuda.
1 additional parallel & variable between Ace & Luffy's New World Adventures: Fight & Defeat a Shishibukai/Suplier for a Yonko Both were subsequently Defeated and "Detained" by a Yonko Both aimed to have them succumb to their presence Both with unbreakable Spirits fought back One was left Free & eventually Joined The other Shackled, Refused & Claimed Victory
It makes more sense then for it to be a trade agreement with Kaido considering how Page One and Ulti got their fruits by stealing them from a stash Kaido had when the two were KIDS. It is literally impossible for them to have been kids at the time after Ace beat Hanafuda since that is four years before we see them in the CANON, they would not be kids anymore by then, more teenagers really
Loved the video Morj! Just wanted to mention that (depending on how much weight cannonically you put on the Ace Novels) Ace was asked to be a Shichibukai when he got to Sabaody with his crew. Can't remember right now if it was mentioned if he already defeated the Warlord by the time he was there or not though :P [Referring to Ace Story Novel 1 Chapter 3]
As many are are saying, he is a likely option for the man marked by flames. I'd like to add however that with the introduction of Hanafuda there are now 7 "antagonist" shichibukai open to potentially complete Cross Guild. Buggy, Crocodile, Mihawk, Doflamingo, Weevil, Moriah and now Hanafuda.
its a good theory but when the devil fruit user dies their devil fruit transfers to the nearest fruit so surely someone would have found it after 4 years
4:40 I mean, the Donquixote family are pretty much all paramecia users, no? Like they don't have a "theme" but they're pretty much all the same type at least. They have a couple Logia users I guess but those two are both on Punk Hazard rather than Dressrosa.
If it’s so happens that he actually was selling them to Kaido that means that that drunk, insane bastard actually respected the man enough to not outright steal them from him much less that Tyrannosaurus fruit since it would be so rare. And considering we haven’t heard anything about the man since that point is probably still hunting fruits or is just that powerful because after he got kicked out of the warlords, he wouldn’t have the protection and blanket immunity gave him the ability to go hunting.
We will get the story sometime before or after one piece ends you know like all the extras they did for Naruto. This will be animated and we will have it one day.
My Headkanon: The defeat of Hanafuba oppened the possition as Kaidos supplyer and that's what Don Flammingo made the great underworld boss, as we know him. Heak, maybe Hanafuba was formerly known as Joker! But when ACE defeat him, Doffy saw his opportunity and made Kaido the offer to not bring quality, but quantity and slipt in, in Hanafubas role. Maybe he even orchestrated the whole meetup. between Hanafuba and ACE, from the shadows!
Maybe Hanafuda is imprisioned in Impel down and back in the Impel Down arc, the prisoners were referring to him. If you remember, they were quite afraid of a shadowy character that has not been revealed yet (potentially)
Morj is right. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't waiting for a trex user in kaidos crewbut I don't think ace beat him at wano. I think Ace battling him is the whole reason ace went to wano. He may have found out about the human trafficking, as that may have been the price in exchange for ancient zoan fruits. Or just simply learning where to find an emperor through defeating Hanafuda
Ace wasn't weak by any means. If you think about who he took his losses to, they were all heavy hitters. World's strongest man, future emperor, and an admiral. And he held his own against blackbeard despite blackbeard being able to cancel out his devil fruit abilities.
Two of my favorite things in this world are One Piece and Dinosaurs. This is my favorite theory video already. And this would make such a fantastic OP Film
He might not have hunted devil fruit users but instead searched for the devil fruits. Since people was so chocked about Black Beard finding a way to do it.
Hanafuda was the gatekeeper before Doffy. Kaido like Big Mom with Loki would have been goated with this guy still around. Ace saved Luffy 5x over that's how you do plot armor.
I am satisfied to know that there was a T-Rex Zoan in the story and glad that Oda didn’t forget about it (which in hindsight is clearly impossible), but pissed that we didn’t and likely won’t ever see the user and the fruit himself within the manga. Oh well. Maybe in a future spinoff manga. 🤷🏻
I've seen one of the comments here saying that hanafuda is the original kaido and to some extent i agree with that cuz he's quite literally "the king of the lizards" so it would only makes sense if he's the captain to the beast pirates that has a bunch of dinasaur memebers to it but im glad it was the big and menacing kaido that we got instead of a doflamingo body type 2.0 as a yonko.
I swear when One Piece ends we need to start a petition for Oda to release all of his notebooks to the public. English translated with the sketches! I remember seeing a image of his art studio and this man had over 30 campus notebooks on his book shelf, WTF!
I’d like to think he was the predecessor of the kibi kibi fruit since he maybe was defeated in wano. It would explain how tama came in possession of it. Ace and tama is a parallel to Roger and luffy. The epithet king of lizards could still apply seeing that in wano there’s precedence of animal eating df and tama using animals that have decided to stay despite not being influenced by the control of her df.
Great video bro but a slight point I don’t think they fought on Wano. I think after Ace’s visit, when Kaido came back and saw the damage he did, both materialistic and Psychological (good for Yamato but bad in Kaido’s eyes). Then he either sent Hanafuda or Hanafuda heard and went after Ace himself and then they fought. Cause it doesn’t make sense that Hanafuda was there when Kaido wasn’t.
It's possible Ace took down Hanafuda while in Wano, and only after that went for Onigashima to hunt Kaido himself. If he had just taken down one of Kaido's strongest men, then it'd naturally be pretty notable when he was unable to do the same to Yamato, which adds to the impact that encounter would have on him.
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You're not letting that go, huh?!
@@imdageeta No.
This joke is getting so annoying
He would be a great One Piece movie villain with Ace being the main character. We could also see him hunting down other ancient devil fruit users and Ace crossing paths with him.
Tbh sounds like it will be part of the spin off story
That's why I don't like most One Piece movies, I feel like they're often a wasted opportunity to tell a more interesting/relevant/canon story for the sake of fanservice... it doesn't have to be canon but at least make it a focused story not overflowing with random cameos or characters that end up having tiny roles.
THIS. THIS could actually be a great movie!!!!
Toei doesn't want to take such a risk as making a One Piece movie that doesn't have the main characters in it. Though Ace is himself massively popular (still a regular top 10 in the popularity polls more than a decade after his death), so a movie staring him would probably still be successful.
@@thebat4977would love to see an Ace movie!
This is what I love about One Piece; we can get a 15-minute lore video on a character with one picture and one paragraph of text.
He certainly knows how to stretch info out...I struggled with this one.
15 min about a char i have never goddamn heard about, i didnt know there was such a character
@riesl406 it's cause his not relevant to the main plot lines but he did play a role in the background as be is a Background character
There’s another layer to all of this. Caesar blew up punk hazard 4 years before the present story, and returned to punk hazard 3 years ago. Additionally, in the pre-timeskip era, Doflamingo’s smile production is clearly a relatively recent thing. The timelines match up nicely, Smiles, and potentially also Doflamingo himself, were brought in as replacements for Hanafuda’s ancient zoan supply.
Yoooo you're a legend for this
That’s exactly what I was thinking
Hanafuda being a former Beast Pirate, possibly a Calamity, makes too much sense
@@jackroberts4361 he could be like Vergo to Doffy, a high ranking General meant to scout things outside their territory
this guy is the Connect 4 champion. good show
How poetic it also is that the Ace (of Spades) defeats the King (of Lizards)
Oh shit I just realized that is also a nod to Roger (accidental nod since Ace wasn't supposed to be his son but interesting nevertheless)
His link with Kaido could also add a reason why Kaido wanted to go to Marinford before getting stopped by Shanks
I think Kaido wanted to go fight Whitebeard, but it could also be possible for him to go against Ace for taking down Hanafuda
my first thought, well said
I'm surprised that we never offically get a T-Rex zoan.
I mean that was technically Page One but he had more of a Raptor look didn’t he?
@@Nephalem2002 he was spinasorous
@@Nephalem2002No. he was a spinosaurus
@@Nephalem2002 actually he was a spinasorus not t-rex
Drake kinda
This should be a movie. It basically write itself
Add to the thoery:
Hanafuda is Ulti and Page one father.
In the sps it stated that they were the children of poweful pirate and close friend to Kaido (fans though the father might be a rocks pirate).
And Ulti and Page one eat their fruits at young age to be useful to Kaido (where are 2 kids gonna find rare devil fruits in the new world?)
Is it me or did you just continually repeat the same information 4-5 times throughout the video? I literally thought the video was replaying itself.
What if... what if *he* is the man *marked by flames?*
he got defeated ion think he coming back cause Kaido had to get a new dealer (a worse one) so i think its safe to say hes out of the story
This will be my headcannon until proven otherwise. It fits perfectly
Interesting he just might be too weak
@@MysteryMeats333look at crocodile lmao
Hanafuda also seemed to be set up early on. The 7 warlords were based off of the 7 heroes from romancing saga 2. The spot Kuma occupied seemed not to gel because Dantarg was a dinosaur man that wanted to assimilate more monsters to get even stronger. Hanafuda's existence now makes sense.
THis!
Holy cook
Wow I didn’t know that
Wagnas, who is supposedly Crocodile, is said to be both male and female?! (Crocomom theory?!)
@@richcast66 that was actually one of the big pieces of supporting evidence back in the day.
Remember when we thought ace was forced to join the beast pirates lol
We were close, there was an “ace” in kaido’s crew, Yamato.
When was that theory prevalent? We knew ace was with Whitebeard since the start didn't we?
@@BraveGisgoit was around ace’s flashback in wano. A lot of people thought he was the “Ace” in Kaido’s crew and he also wore a necklace that resembled onigashima iirc
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Imagine Crocodile invites Hanafuda to join Cross Guild and he actually accepts it. Would be a nice way of introducing him into the story without slowing down the plot at all.
If he were to be the man with the burn scars, and Cross guild somehow got hold of this information they would likely be the ones the realize his identity, bringing them closer to the one piece chase unlike now. Considering Two of the first Warlords are present at the guild and would've been in contact with him the most.
Dont think that Hanafuda is the man with the burned scars, think its gonna be someone with more plot importance despite Hanafuda supplying Kaido years prior.
Instead, i think this will be something we see in the Ace manga, something like Ace's 'Crocodile defeat' moment ala Luffy.
He could be . And after defeat he made a deal with the government to protect the last poneglygh ,to not be prisoned for failing his post.
@@AmanKumar-hz7ts he didnt have to be with the gov now, hence Aokiji didnt know who man marked by flames is, and he was an admiral so he would've known. Hanafuda was a warlord so he had connections to the gov already and after he got defeated by Ace maybe he went into hiding and maybe he already had the poneglyph without the gov knowing. It would be cool if he's the man marked by flames ngl and we see him in the story
It would be awesome to see movies on all these cut stories
I think in a meta story writing sense, Hanafuda *was* the original Kaido. Back before Oda invented the Warlords Luffy was going to go into the new world and immediately fight the Emperors (remember the story wasn't intended to be this long). Hanafuda then is essentially the lower level version of Kaido that would have existed in this shorter timeline. As the story progressed and what Kaido would have to be escalated, Oda developed the Kaido we know now, but he still had this old design kicking around, and used it for this SBS question.
wow you're right! he resembles a bit of the shadow of the previous "Kaido"!
@@j-star1 You know it's been so long I legitimately forget that Only Shanks and white beard Were shown properly in the initial showing of the four emperors and that two of them looked extremely generic
And it is just hilarious Do you think on how much the designs changed
Having him as a villain in a OP movie during or before wano arc was a missed opportunity
I'm hoping Hanafuda joins Cross Guild to complete the 7 warlords motif now that Blackbeard, Jinbei are spoken for. Kuma will probably join the Revs or die, Boa could join Luffy's fleet and no way Law and Doffy are working in the same crew.
Kuma was always part of the revolutionaries
@@Franvvard I think he meant joining back up with the Revs
Do we have confirmation that he is alive?Ace could have killed him
@@UltraPickleMan It's kind of expected that almost no one stays dead in One Piece, besides people want to see this character come up in the story. Ultimately it's up to Oda, obviously
@@christianvondruska8244 True, but characters who died before the story started *do* usually stay dead. Not always (Saul and Sabo say hi), but usually.
A fun fact, a recent study examining all the recovered T Rex fossils suggests T Rex could have gotten 50% larger than the largest individual found thus far. For context, the largest T Rex, Scotty, is around 13m long and 4m at the hip and the potential largest individuals could be as big as 15m. That along with having among the most powerful bites of any vertebrate and super keen sense makes T Rex’s title of King of the Lizards still very deserving.
Yeah that's pretty fun, nowadays people talk about them being giant birds so I get a bit hungry thinking about it
Hanafuda the man marked by flames 👀
Oda doesn’t have time to give us information, but this is a character he should have showed a long time ago
I hoped that they would have adapt the fight with ace in the boichi manga but sadly they skipped that part
The story is already long enough
Not really, Its not that important
@@feroas3150He basically exists to show that Kaido was always in contact with the underworld nothing more so yeah he is going to stay as a "myth" only
He's gonna be the villain of the next movie, isn't he?
He's probably been in hiding all this time training and now he's yonko level.
kidd before kidd
Passing down the washed gene like the straw hat
Don’t get the kid comparison at all
The Kidd slander has to stop. He beat big mom
@@PER578 carried by law, basically just yeeted big mom instead of a proper defeat then got one shot by shanks alongside his whole crew. The slander is well deserved
@PER578 No, he pushed dumb mom off an island, did barely any damage, except for one attack, and was at best an aggro tank.
Dumb mom did not use her speed which we know she has due to fighting kaido for 3 days, nor any form of advanced haki.
She was hurt by falling metal. Like, do you know how weak that is compared to a wano luffy g4 punches?
I think Hanafuda will return is Elbaf…. As the Man Marked by Flame. I have 3 reasons to support this claim.
1. He fought, and lost to Ace. That’s where he got marked.
2. There is thematic symmetry for a T-Rex Zoan user to be present during the Elbaf, as an homage to Little Garden.
3. He would had connections in New World and would probably had an opportunity to take the last Poneglyph when nobody was looking.
Idk about on Elbaf, BBs crew said that man was constantly sailing not just hanging out on an island. It's possible just not likely unless they went to Elbaf, not a WG island but affiliated with Shanks, as an alleged WG agent.
Morj is just procrastinating at this point instead of working on Wano Analysis
Imagine he was the head of some bounty hunters guild 😭. But you frauds get ‘arc fatigue’ so oda gotta keep it snappy
Nah. The bounty hunters guild idea is something i believe oda gave up on post east blue.
@@aritrasaha441 Oda tried to get it into the story with Whisky Peak which was supposed to be an island of bounty hunters but i guess that didnt work so well because Zoro just ended up soloing the whole thing and now people dont even remember bounty hunting was even a part of the arc.
We get arc fatigue because one piece arcs spend way too much time things we already know or things that aren’t important.
Hanafuda is obviously the man marked by flames
I'm just going to write what I said in twitter when the SBS 109 came out, July 1:
"
New theory/explaination unlocked!
Until 5 years ago -> Hanafuda had the title of Warlord. [canon]
Until 5 years ago -> Hanafuda worked with Kaido, and he was selling him Ancient Zoans (5 in total). [theory]
5 years ago -> Ace beat his ass. [canon]
5 years ago -> Ace entered Wano to challenge Kaido. He became friends with Tama and Yamato. [canon]
4~5 years ago -> Ace became a Whitebeard Pirate. [canon]
4~5 years ago -> Doflamingo and Kaido became business partners with their weapon industry. [canon]
3~4 years ago -> = Caesar began his partnership with Doflamingo. This allowed the production of SAD, a substance that allowed to grow SMILE fruits in Dressrosa.
2~3 years ago -> After successfully growing SMILEs, Joker sold them to Kaido. [canon]
2 years ago -> Business is booming for Doflamingo, which doesn't make Sengoku happy. [canon]
2 years ago -> The slave trade is not really profitable anymore so Joker let Disco deal with its bad consequences, while he invests into SMILEs. [canon/theory]
3 months ago -> Kaido amassed an army of 500 SMILEs, thus he bought a total of 500×10=5000 fruits from Joker.
3 months ago -> Luffy beat his ass.
2 weeks ago -> Luffy entered Wano to challenge Kaido, and he won. He became friends with Tama and Yamato. [canon]
There's a nice parallel between Ace and Luffy: beating the Warlord who dealt with Kaido then challenging him and befriending Tama and Yamato.
Also Hanafuda 100 % had the T-Rex Zoan Devil Fruit since he was the “King of Lizards”. [theory]
In the continuity of his connection with Kaido, I think he must have been a Tobi Roppo / the 3rd Okaban at the time, and Kaido sent him on a mission to get Ancient Zoans. [theory]
"
1:43 haven’t seen much and I’m sure the rest will be good, but Ace didn’t go to Wano until he joined WB because he wanted to avenge the man who originally held his position
What if he had the dark dark fruit and was stealing devil fruit abilities and putting them into fruits? When Ace killed him, his fruit then became free, and it allowed for Thatch to find it.
This is what I’m saying! Makes it even more ironic also when you think about how Ace essentially gave BB the tools to capture him.
Given that Ace defeated Hanafuda this can't be true that he (Hanafuda) had the dark dark fruit. In the battle between Ace and Blackbeard we clearly saw that Ace was helpless against Blackbeard's abilities. There is no way that Ace previously fought and defeated the same ability user.
hes called king of lizards
@@imtiazsa1807 yes plus Ace was surprised to see what BBs fruit does so he clearly never saw it in action beofre that fight with BB
You don't need the Dark Dark fruit to take a fruit ability, you can just kill the user and have some normal fruits around.
Though it would be interesting to see where Thatch found the DD fruit, it would offer some clues in the Rocks Pirates storyline
I do hope we get to see more warlords of when the system started, former admirals, and great pirates of course sbs and just other stuff like that
this is why I kinda wanted wano to be longer just to flesh out important stuff like this.
Tyrannosaurus Rex actually means Tyrant Lizard King. Which makes Hanafuta's nickname even more demonic
The kusarigama that he fights with is a distinctly historical Japanese weapon. That along with his Japanese name (Hanafuda) makes me suspect he is a Wano native.
It's also interesting that Ace's bounty was 550 Million. Perhaps that's the bounty he got after beating Hanafuda which backs up the idea that Ace was pretty much at the same point in his progression as post-Dressrosa Luffy before getting derailed by Whitebeard then dying at Marineford.
Design-wise, there's literally a skull of a T-Rex on Hanafuda's cap.
1:38 - Jinbe* was Ace's final (and probably the most difficult given his 5-day duel) opponent before he joined Whitebeard. We literally see it in the flashback.
4:09 - Using "all but guarantees" pretty loosely there...
5:13 - Making things up now...
6:42 - Using "must" pretty loosely too...
7:13 - "Factually"...
8:25 - Just a note: If the Ace novels are canon, Ace must have defeated Hanafuda in Paradise because he was offered the Warlord position before entering the New World.
9:10 - Hanafuda has to be weaker than Jinbe because Ace after DEFEATING Hanafuda, TIED with Jinbe. Given how uncharitable you are with Jinbe, you will have to keep the same energy with Hanafuda.
9:49 - It's "Tyrant Lizard King" but I'll let it slide...
10:12 - Actually if you go by mass (which a lot of scientists do for some reason) T-Rex is still on top...
11:30 - P-T-E-R-A-N-O-D-O-N... It's right there...
12:28 - He collects Ancient Zoan Devil Fruits. It is never stated that he hunted Ancient Zoan Devil Fruit Users. That's an assumption...
13:20 - Again we don't know that... We don't know if he was allied with Kaido, if he was in Wano, or if he had a an organizarion... We are piling speculations on top of speculations at this point...
13:38 - "Only"...? How do we know that...?
14:09 - Yeah, it's not like Ace fought another Warlord the same year at a different location... It's not like Ace also met with another emperor before meeting Whitebeard on another non-Wano location... It's not like Ace could visit multiple islands in the same year... It must be Wano...
I’m fairly sure that the “man with the burn scar” is this mysterious warlord that ace defeated. If he was able to procure ancient zoan fruits, it wouldn’t be out of the question that he was also able to grab the last Rio Poneglyph!
There is an extra layer to that.
Ulti and Page One are told to be the children of an pirate that was afiliated with Kaido, and that Kaido decided to take care of those two after this associate was killed.
So it's not impossible that Ulti and Page One are the children of Hanafuda.
His weapons look more like he'd be an Ankylosaurus
There’s a T. rex skeleton on his hat.
What if Hanafuda IS the man marked by flames b/c of his fight w/Ace and we'll meet him in Elbaf?
1 additional parallel & variable between Ace & Luffy's New World Adventures:
Fight & Defeat a Shishibukai/Suplier for a Yonko
Both were subsequently Defeated and "Detained" by a Yonko
Both aimed to have them succumb to their presence
Both with unbreakable Spirits fought back
One was left Free & eventually Joined
The other Shackled, Refused & Claimed Victory
Oh shit! We are definitely going to see the Hanafuda fight in anime.
Theres even more card themes amongst the beast pirates, like Page One, and even minor characters like Ginrummy
It makes more sense then for it to be a trade agreement with Kaido considering how Page One and Ulti got their fruits by stealing them from a stash Kaido had when the two were KIDS. It is literally impossible for them to have been kids at the time after Ace beat Hanafuda since that is four years before we see them in the CANON, they would not be kids anymore by then, more teenagers really
Loved the video Morj! Just wanted to mention that (depending on how much weight cannonically you put on the Ace Novels) Ace was asked to be a Shichibukai when he got to Sabaody with his crew. Can't remember right now if it was mentioned if he already defeated the Warlord by the time he was there or not though :P [Referring to Ace Story Novel 1 Chapter 3]
Oda should make some sbs's and cut content into full specials and movies once One Piece is done
this puts Blackbeards pre timeskip power into a new perspective. I used to think they were relative to the straw hats back then but hell nah
This and Rocky Port... Such epic tales we all wish we could see, but never will.
One piece should make a movie out this with ace. Easy money grab
Goofy theory: he was able to find other ancient zoans because trex are good hunters and would search for other animals from its era
The former greatest swordsman who Mihawk defeated is just as wasted
simply wow!
to Oda for writing this endless story and to you for your amazing analysis!!!
As many are are saying, he is a likely option for the man marked by flames. I'd like to add however that with the introduction of Hanafuda there are now 7 "antagonist" shichibukai open to potentially complete Cross Guild. Buggy, Crocodile, Mihawk, Doflamingo, Weevil, Moriah and now Hanafuda.
Hanafuda is the man marked by flames 🤔🤔
its a good theory but when the devil fruit user dies their devil fruit transfers to the nearest fruit so surely someone would have found it after 4 years
Great video but seems like a missed opportunity not to mention Ace’s name fitting with the card theme?
4:40 I mean, the Donquixote family are pretty much all paramecia users, no? Like they don't have a "theme" but they're pretty much all the same type at least. They have a couple Logia users I guess but those two are both on Punk Hazard rather than Dressrosa.
To be fair Paramecias are most common so it make sense most of them have that.
If it’s so happens that he actually was selling them to Kaido that means that that drunk, insane bastard actually respected the man enough to not outright steal them from him much less that Tyrannosaurus fruit since it would be so rare. And considering we haven’t heard anything about the man since that point is probably still hunting fruits or is just that powerful because after he got kicked out of the warlords, he wouldn’t have the protection and blanket immunity gave him the ability to go hunting.
Almost 100% convinced Hanafuda was a plant by the WG to enable the overtake of Wano by pirates. They clearly haven't been able to do it themselves
We will get the story sometime before or after one piece ends you know like all the extras they did for Naruto. This will be animated and we will have it one day.
“Link to the extended thoughts podcast in the description” well… it isn’t
It would be good if Hanafuda appeared in a flashback in Netflix's One Piece when the Straw-Hats meet Ace.
I need an Ace’s adventure spin off right dafuq now
I would for all this to be proven canon in a flashback or something , not to mention is love his design, this guy can’t be wasted off panel
My Headkanon:
The defeat of Hanafuba oppened the possition as Kaidos supplyer and that's what Don Flammingo made the great underworld boss, as we know him. Heak, maybe Hanafuba was formerly known as Joker! But when ACE defeat him, Doffy saw his opportunity and made Kaido the offer to not bring quality, but quantity and slipt in, in Hanafubas role. Maybe he even orchestrated the whole meetup. between Hanafuba and ACE, from the shadows!
Hanafuda is the man marked by flames.
Maybe Hanafuda is imprisioned in Impel down and back in the Impel Down arc, the prisoners were referring to him. If you remember, they were quite afraid of a shadowy character that has not been revealed yet (potentially)
Morj is right. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't waiting for a trex user in kaidos crewbut I don't think ace beat him at wano.
I think Ace battling him is the whole reason ace went to wano. He may have found out about the human trafficking, as that may have been the price in exchange for ancient zoan fruits. Or just simply learning where to find an emperor through defeating Hanafuda
Mmm, Cross Guild needs more recruits.
How the hell did ace beat this guy💀💀
Ace wasn't weak by any means. If you think about who he took his losses to, they were all heavy hitters. World's strongest man, future emperor, and an admiral. And he held his own against blackbeard despite blackbeard being able to cancel out his devil fruit abilities.
Ace is extremely strong
Ace at the time was hella strong lol people keep on forgetting that
but didnt X-drake have his before he joined the beast pirates
I think Hanafuda ended up being one of Wang Zhi's commanders on Beehive Island and fought during the Rocky Port incident.
Two of my favorite things in this world are One Piece and Dinosaurs. This is my favorite theory video already. And this would make such a fantastic OP Film
Uta was cool and all but when are we getting THIS movie?? I’d pay to see Ace throw a meteor at a T-Rex
I’m using him as the villain for a OP fan arc I’m making, it’s called Draco Nest and it’s full of reptile people.
I just figured he only let in people wo had those fruits to begin with So that he could have a theme
now imagine a movie telling this piece of history being made
I wonder if this guy could be the man with burn scars?
I dont think Hanafuda necessarily had to be at Wano but everything else makes sense
He might not have hunted devil fruit users but instead searched for the devil fruits. Since people was so chocked about Black Beard finding a way to do it.
It's morjin time ⌚
Also, if you dont believe Morj and the great connections... just look at Hanafuda's hat. It's literally a slightly elongated T-Rex Head Bone/fossil.😂
this topic cant be made any better!!. this is awesome, very logical and believable
Hanafuda was the gatekeeper before Doffy. Kaido like Big Mom with Loki would have been goated with this guy still around. Ace saved Luffy 5x over that's how you do plot armor.
I am satisfied to know that there was a T-Rex Zoan in the story and glad that Oda didn’t forget about it (which in hindsight is clearly impossible), but pissed that we didn’t and likely won’t ever see the user and the fruit himself within the manga.
Oh well. Maybe in a future spinoff manga. 🤷🏻
I've seen one of the comments here saying that hanafuda is the original kaido and to some extent i agree with that cuz he's quite literally "the king of the lizards" so it would only makes sense if he's the captain to the beast pirates that has a bunch of dinasaur memebers to it but im glad it was the big and menacing kaido that we got instead of a doflamingo body type 2.0 as a yonko.
I swear when One Piece ends we need to start a petition for Oda to release all of his notebooks to the public. English translated with the sketches! I remember seeing a image of his art studio and this man had over 30 campus notebooks on his book shelf, WTF!
This makes alot of sense! I was wondering about this too.
I'd watch the hell out of this as a movie!
I’d like to think he was the predecessor of the kibi kibi fruit since he maybe was defeated in wano. It would explain how tama came in possession of it. Ace and tama is a parallel to Roger and luffy. The epithet king of lizards could still apply seeing that in wano there’s precedence of animal eating df and tama using animals that have decided to stay despite not being influenced by the control of her df.
Oda prolly loves the pun with the cards and the “dealer” too
Bro forgot xdrake existed? Dude had his ancient fruit before being an ally to the beast pirates didn't get it from hanafuda
The idea of all the zoans being provided by this character is very likely an cool.
Trex means TYRANT lizard king, specifically meaning he had to have been a beast
So Hanafuda is the man marked by flames right? Right?
Great video bro but a slight point I don’t think they fought on Wano. I think after Ace’s visit, when Kaido came back and saw the damage he did, both materialistic and Psychological (good for Yamato but bad in Kaido’s eyes). Then he either sent Hanafuda or Hanafuda heard and went after Ace himself and then they fought. Cause it doesn’t make sense that Hanafuda was there when Kaido wasn’t.
It's possible Ace took down Hanafuda while in Wano, and only after that went for Onigashima to hunt Kaido himself. If he had just taken down one of Kaido's strongest men, then it'd naturally be pretty notable when he was unable to do the same to Yamato, which adds to the impact that encounter would have on him.