Hey folks! See the full list of changes below and let me know in the comments if you agree with them, what cards you think should be added instead, and what commanders you want to see me cover in the future! ------------------------ Creatures ------------------------ Sanwell, Avenger Ace >>> Padeem, Consul of Innovation Alela, Artful Provocateur >>> Vedalken Archmage Scholar of New Horizons >>> Foundry Inspector Wreck Hunter >>> Jhoira's Familiar Tawnos, Solemn Survivor >>> Canoptek Spyder Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle >>> The Reality Chip Marionette Master >>> Research Thief Wire Surgeons >>> Platoon Dispenser Whirler Rogue >>> Cyberdrive Awakener Chrome Courier >>> Cryptothrall Sharuum the Hegemon >>> Scarecrone ------------------------ Instants ------------------------ Armix, Filigree Thrasher >>> Dispatch Unbreakable Formation >>> Disruption Protocol Sphinx's Revelation >>> Stoic Rebuttal ------------------------ Sorceries ------------------------ Urza's Ruinous Blast >>> Their Name Is Death Phyrexian Rebirth >>> Organic Extinction ------------------------ Enchantments ------------------------ Preordain >>> Efficient Construction One with the Machine >>> Mirrodin Besieged Austere Command >>> Artificer Class ------------------------ Artifacts ------------------------ Kayla's Music Box >>> Talisman of Dominance Thopter Shop >>> Talisman of Hierarchy Hexavus >>> Mirrorworks ------------------------ Lands ------------------------ Azorius Chancery >>> Adarkar Wastes Dimir Aqueduct >>> Underground River Orzhov Basilica >>> Caves of Koilos Ash Barrens >>> Power Depot
Good upgrade guide. Maybe i would swap the Etched Champion with the Kappa Cannoneer from the Kamigawa precon as a bigger unblockable selfprotected threat.. With the huge amount of Artifact tokencreations the Canonneer shoud not cost much more mana than the Champion and constantly grows bigger and becomes unblockable and he protects himself with ward 4.
Glad you enjoyed it! I agree - Kappa Cannoneer would make for a solid addition thanks to being reliable unblockable, Ward 4 having a high enough value to make it decently resilient, and it psuedo-karnstruct growth via +1/+1 counters making it yet another threat that our opponents would have to content with. Its $4 price tag is a bit too pricy to say within this budget, but would be a good addition if going over budget or if you have a copy already. Good suggestion!
Do artifact creatures survive elesh norns argent etchings? Destroy all other permanents except for artifacts, lands, and Phyrexians. Exile The Argent Etchings, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).
Love the upgrade guide, I was lookin forward for this video! For a non budget upgrade Esper Sentinel could be a great addition, with all the lords in the deck the card drawing effect should be near automatic! And I second the question: if I don't want to use the 40k cards, what you would suggest using?
great video! looking forward to misha rb! as a minor nickpick I would like to see the keepers after the upgrades in the precons or to see what you swap for the new includes. just a thought but i'm always more interested to know what you add rather than what you keep
@@terms7966 Auton Soldier is a must add imo. Securitron Squadron from fallout works insanely well, and I highly recommend including Paladin Dance as protection for both Urza and your artifacts.
These upgrades reminds me of the Chippy deck from a little while back; loved that deck, so would be neat to see thos ideas brought into Brother's War. Going to have to vote for Feldon as that just looks like the toughest build of these three
The Reality Chip is probably one of the more fun/powerful builds I've tackled so its good to hear you enjoyed it as well! Also, thanks for voting! Feldon has a long way to go to catch up to the other contenders on this weeks ballot, but we still have some time so anything can happen!
im loving the artifact commanders so far, i pulled this commander from the draft packs, constructing my own artifact commander an its a overwhelming with all the artifact supports before the brothers war was accounce
Yeah, The Brothers War certainly gave us a lot of artifact support to work with, so these commander and old ones alike have a lot of new toys to work with!
Now that the Secret Lair commander decks are (hopefully) in people's hands, are you going to take a crack at an upgrade? I think it'd be a pretty interesting video
Gotta say, these two precon upgrades may have been your best ones yet, given how much I now want them to face off against each other in a 1on1 of sorts... amazing video as always! As for the new vote... Imma be real with you, they all feel a bit too much like pieces of tech instead of commanders. Maybe it's because of how small they are statwise? Ah well, my vote goes to Feldon cause with him at least it's tricky as all hell. Or we get budget Prosper. We'll see. Day 465 of waiting for the Grazzet face reveal. Did you watch the newest episode of Game Knights? Cause I loved it aside from one bit you will probably be able to find in the comments. (Seriously, Prof, how can you spread such misinformation... JK.)
Glad to hear that you've been enjoying the precons this time around! Regarding the poll line-up - that's a fair assessment - though I personally feel that there is enough meat on these mono colored commander to get a decent build out of them! I have not had the chance to see the latest gamenights yet - I'll have to check it our soon to see what you mean!
The Ashnod the Uncaring build will be dropping next week (the polls run 2 weeks before the video drops to give me plenty of time to build the deck and test) - so hang tight, because its coming soon!
Hi do you have any alternatives for the WH40K cards Canoptek Spyder and Cryptothrall? They're so hard to find, if not impossible. Also do you have any plans for commander videos based on the Transformers cards in The Brothers War set?
If I do, it would have to be a increased budget build or something, because the merge commanders are a bit pricier than what I usually cover. That said - I wouldn't be opposed to it!
Hello! I find it strange to see Darksteel Juggernaut and Filigree Attendant being kept, since basically every other upgrade video ditches them. Any suggestions on how to switch them for better artifact creature cards?
Personally I like them both in this deck as payoffs for our go wide token artifact gameplan but if your looking to swap them out - Etherium Spinner may warrent consideration as another artifact that can passively create artifact tokens as we cast our higher cmc spells & Urza, Prince of Kroog is a a copy of Tempered Steel on legs that can get us more copies of our artifacts in play once we have the mana. Hope that helps!
Counterspell is going to be generally better for sure but the difference between Disruption Protocols $0.04 cost vs Counterspells nearly $2 is significant enough for me to run it to stay within budget without suffering too many performance issues (since it will function as a counterspell 99% of the time). Still, if you have a counterspell already or don't mind going over budget - adding it in over Disruption Protocol would indeed make the build slightly more reliable.
While I can see this build go heavy on low cost artifact creatures to get Urza out ASAP - This build is still more than capable of getting Urza down relatively quickly without having to invest in lots of small artifact creatures - being more focused on being a more mid-range build - so I feel like calling it can failure is a bit harsh, considering it performs rather well, but you are entitled to your opinion.
I'm a bit surprised that this is yet another guide to upgrade the precons, which advises new border cards, where I think a big draw of these decks is the fact that all the cards in the precon are old border. In addition, some cards really don't fit flavor wise... This isn't the strongest commander (and this is an understatement), so I think that for the majority of people who upgrade this commander deck, the border and flavor are really important factors and should be taken into account.
I agree with you in principle. The old card borders were definitely a draw for me, as I'm fond of them (I actually built a Krenko deck because it let me run so many old card borders) but holding to that limitation really shrinks the pool of viable upgrades so I think Grazzet can be forgiven for using newer card borders. Nonetheless, I feel I should reiterate that I very much sympathize with your flavor concerns. I can't think of anything off the top of my head but there's probably something in the Mishra precon that would be good here (since the two precons share the Blue and Black colors) while still being classic bordered.
Hey folks! See the full list of changes below and let me know in the comments if you agree with them, what cards you think should be added instead, and what commanders you want to see me cover in the future!
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Creatures
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Sanwell, Avenger Ace >>> Padeem, Consul of Innovation
Alela, Artful Provocateur >>> Vedalken Archmage
Scholar of New Horizons >>> Foundry Inspector
Wreck Hunter >>> Jhoira's Familiar
Tawnos, Solemn Survivor >>> Canoptek Spyder
Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle >>> The Reality Chip
Marionette Master >>> Research Thief
Wire Surgeons >>> Platoon Dispenser
Whirler Rogue >>> Cyberdrive Awakener
Chrome Courier >>> Cryptothrall
Sharuum the Hegemon >>> Scarecrone
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Instants
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Armix, Filigree Thrasher >>> Dispatch
Unbreakable Formation >>> Disruption Protocol
Sphinx's Revelation >>> Stoic Rebuttal
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Sorceries
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Urza's Ruinous Blast >>> Their Name Is Death
Phyrexian Rebirth >>> Organic Extinction
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Enchantments
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Preordain >>> Efficient Construction
One with the Machine >>> Mirrodin Besieged
Austere Command >>> Artificer Class
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Artifacts
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Kayla's Music Box >>> Talisman of Dominance
Thopter Shop >>> Talisman of Hierarchy
Hexavus >>> Mirrorworks
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Lands
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Azorius Chancery >>> Adarkar Wastes
Dimir Aqueduct >>> Underground River
Orzhov Basilica >>> Caves of Koilos
Ash Barrens >>> Power Depot
Very helpful… thanks
Tezzeret Master of the Bridge was definitely an upgrade I was thinking about too!
Feldon looks like a very interesting and unique commander option
Yep - Tezzeret can do a lot of work in this build, thats for shore!
Also, thanks for voting!
Song of the Worldsoul would be very good to get more constructs!
Good upgrade guide. Maybe i would swap the Etched Champion with the Kappa Cannoneer from the Kamigawa precon as a bigger unblockable selfprotected threat.. With the huge amount of Artifact tokencreations the Canonneer shoud not cost much more mana than the Champion and constantly grows bigger and becomes unblockable and he protects himself with ward 4.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I agree - Kappa Cannoneer would make for a solid addition thanks to being reliable unblockable, Ward 4 having a high enough value to make it decently resilient, and it psuedo-karnstruct growth via +1/+1 counters making it yet another threat that our opponents would have to content with. Its $4 price tag is a bit too pricy to say within this budget, but would be a good addition if going over budget or if you have a copy already.
Good suggestion!
Love your channel plz keep it coming!😊
Glad you're enjoying the content and will do!
Do artifact creatures survive elesh norns argent etchings? Destroy all other permanents except for artifacts, lands, and Phyrexians. Exile The Argent Etchings, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).
Love the upgrade guide, I was lookin forward for this video!
For a non budget upgrade Esper Sentinel could be a great addition, with all the lords in the deck the card drawing effect should be near automatic!
And I second the question: if I don't want to use the 40k cards, what you would suggest using?
I would like to suggest " Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph" for a future build poll. :3
The cadence of this voice reminds me of Fire Marshall Bill, played by Jim Carrey.
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great video! looking forward to misha rb! as a minor nickpick I would like to see the keepers after the upgrades in the precons or to see what you swap for the new includes. just a thought but i'm always more interested to know what you add rather than what you keep
I'd love to see an updated deck list considering I've been able to change mine substantially with the new fallout and Doctor who sets
If you don't mind me asking what might those cards be I'm quite new and I got this pre con off of a teacher of mine and am looking to upgrade it
@@terms7966 Auton Soldier is a must add imo. Securitron Squadron from fallout works insanely well, and I highly recommend including Paladin Dance as protection for both Urza and your artifacts.
These upgrades reminds me of the Chippy deck from a little while back; loved that deck, so would be neat to see thos ideas brought into Brother's War. Going to have to vote for Feldon as that just looks like the toughest build of these three
The Reality Chip is probably one of the more fun/powerful builds I've tackled so its good to hear you enjoyed it as well!
Also, thanks for voting! Feldon has a long way to go to catch up to the other contenders on this weeks ballot, but we still have some time so anything can happen!
@@GrazzetMTG indeed; once I figured it out the deck was quite frightening. No worries, may eventually circle around to tackle Feldon on my own
im loving the artifact commanders so far, i pulled this commander from the draft packs, constructing my own artifact commander an its a overwhelming with all the artifact supports before the brothers war was accounce
Yeah, The Brothers War certainly gave us a lot of artifact support to work with, so these commander and old ones alike have a lot of new toys to work with!
@@GrazzetMTG oh boy! More artifacts 😂 can't wait to construct the perfect reaper king artifact deck
Now that the Secret Lair commander decks are (hopefully) in people's hands, are you going to take a crack at an upgrade? I think it'd be a pretty interesting video
Great upgrade video
Glad you enjoyed it
Gotta say, these two precon upgrades may have been your best ones yet, given how much I now want them to face off against each other in a 1on1 of sorts... amazing video as always!
As for the new vote... Imma be real with you, they all feel a bit too much like pieces of tech instead of commanders. Maybe it's because of how small they are statwise? Ah well, my vote goes to Feldon cause with him at least it's tricky as all hell. Or we get budget Prosper. We'll see.
Day 465 of waiting for the Grazzet face reveal. Did you watch the newest episode of Game Knights? Cause I loved it aside from one bit you will probably be able to find in the comments. (Seriously, Prof, how can you spread such misinformation... JK.)
Glad to hear that you've been enjoying the precons this time around!
Regarding the poll line-up - that's a fair assessment - though I personally feel that there is enough meat on these mono colored commander to get a decent build out of them!
I have not had the chance to see the latest gamenights yet - I'll have to check it our soon to see what you mean!
What about the Ashnod the Uncaring video? I saw a poll a for it a while back and was really looking forward to it! Anyways, amazing video as always!
The Ashnod the Uncaring build will be dropping next week (the polls run 2 weeks before the video drops to give me plenty of time to build the deck and test) - so hang tight, because its coming soon!
Also FYI all Urza, Lord High Artificer is cheaper now. $10.60 for a full art near mint 🤘🤘🤘
Hi do you have any alternatives for the WH40K cards Canoptek Spyder and Cryptothrall? They're so hard to find, if not impossible.
Also do you have any plans for commander videos based on the Transformers cards in The Brothers War set?
thanks for the video, eventually who would you put urza, lord protector and The Mightstone and Weakstone instead of?
If I do, it would have to be a increased budget build or something, because the merge commanders are a bit pricier than what I usually cover. That said - I wouldn't be opposed to it!
@@GrazzetMTG They came out in envelopes and I wanted to add them to the upgrade you made and I didn't know which card to replace them with
Hello!
I find it strange to see Darksteel Juggernaut and Filigree Attendant being kept, since basically every other upgrade video ditches them. Any suggestions on how to switch them for better artifact creature cards?
Personally I like them both in this deck as payoffs for our go wide token artifact gameplan but if your looking to swap them out - Etherium Spinner may warrent consideration as another artifact that can passively create artifact tokens as we cast our higher cmc spells & Urza, Prince of Kroog is a a copy of Tempered Steel on legs that can get us more copies of our artifacts in play once we have the mana.
Hope that helps!
I’m taking out the juggernaut after getting caught in a loop with the juggernaut force swinging into a Phyrexian Vindicator.
Disruption Protocol and Stoic Rebuttal are nice and flavourful but isn't just counterspell better while not being expensive?
Counterspell is going to be generally better for sure but the difference between Disruption Protocols $0.04 cost vs Counterspells nearly $2 is significant enough for me to run it to stay within budget without suffering too many performance issues (since it will function as a counterspell 99% of the time).
Still, if you have a counterspell already or don't mind going over budget - adding it in over Disruption Protocol would indeed make the build slightly more reliable.
Why not the silver, gold and leaden myr?
Upgrade the recent starter deck precons please
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No ornthropter or other 0-1 mana artifact creatures to play Urza by turn 3. Failure upgrade.
While I can see this build go heavy on low cost artifact creatures to get Urza out ASAP - This build is still more than capable of getting Urza down relatively quickly without having to invest in lots of small artifact creatures - being more focused on being a more mid-range build - so I feel like calling it can failure is a bit harsh, considering it performs rather well, but you are entitled to your opinion.
Solid video Grazz, you can't please all the little Timmys
I'm a bit surprised that this is yet another guide to upgrade the precons, which advises new border cards, where I think a big draw of these decks is the fact that all the cards in the precon are old border. In addition, some cards really don't fit flavor wise... This isn't the strongest commander (and this is an understatement), so I think that for the majority of people who upgrade this commander deck, the border and flavor are really important factors and should be taken into account.
I agree with you in principle. The old card borders were definitely a draw for me, as I'm fond of them (I actually built a Krenko deck because it let me run so many old card borders) but holding to that limitation really shrinks the pool of viable upgrades so I think Grazzet can be forgiven for using newer card borders.
Nonetheless, I feel I should reiterate that I very much sympathize with your flavor concerns. I can't think of anything off the top of my head but there's probably something in the Mishra precon that would be good here (since the two precons share the Blue and Black colors) while still being classic bordered.