Sliver Swarm | Precon Upgrade Guide | Cut-Rate Commander | Commander | MTG | EDH
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Cut-Rate Commander - Precon Upgrade Guide for the Sliver Swarm & its face commander - Sliver Gravemother - from Commander Masters #mtg #commander #edh #MTGCMM
It looks like the 1st of the Commander Masters Precons as finally arrived - featuring the once extinct and highly adaptable Slivers, and they are more than eager to follow their new hive mind overlord - the Sliver Gravemother - into the hunt, even from beyond the grave.
In this precon upgrade, considering that this builds creature base and tribal support is near perfect out of the box, we'll primarily be focusing our efforts on fixing the core builds mana base, which can be described as glacial - aiming to speed it up considerably without sacrificing consistency through the addition of Painlands and Triomes, and then, once that's been fixed, we'll turn out attention to making some quality of life changes to the build via adding in some cheaper tribe members that synergize better with our commander's encore granting and/or lower the builds curve, refining the builds tribal support to ensure we can generate the card advantage we need to build up our board as quickly as possible with out sliver swarm, and building up the core builds lackluster removal suite to ensure we have a least some interaction to deal with our opponents threats if need be - giving our slivers all the tools they'll to bring down our opponents swiftly and efficiently.
Let me know if the comments below if you agree with my choices and/or what you would add to the deck instead. Also, let me know know who you would like to see next by voting on in the comments on the three choices of commander listed at the end of the video.
Decklist - www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5748...
All art used is copyright of Wizards of the Coast
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Introduction
01:11 - Commander & Playstyle
08:11 - Keepers
17:14 - Upgrades
25:51 - Breakdown
30:30 - Closing Thoughts 
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Hey folks! Below is the full list of changes made to the build (including sidegrade and upgrade suggestions) for your convenience! Also, let me know what you though of the build, what changes you would have made instead, and if you interested in seeing any builds featuring older commanders that are being reprinted in the commander masters set!
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Creatures
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Blur Sliver >>> Heart Sliver
Firewake Sliver >>> Predatory Sliver
Icon of Ancestry >>> Muscle Sliver
Hollowhead Sliver >>> Homing Sliver
Rukarumel, Biologist >>> Thorncaster Sliver
Windfall >>> Beast Whisperer
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Instants
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Crippling Fear >>> Path to Exile
Cleansing Nova >>> Swords to Plowshares
Decimate >>> Beast Within
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Sorceries
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Ash Barrens >>> Rampant Growth
Fellwar Stone >>> Kodama's Reach
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Enchantments
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Descendants’ Fury >>> Tribute to the World Tree
Distant Melody >>> Elven Chorus
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Artifacts
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Pillar of Origins >>> Chromatic Lantern
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Lands
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Flood Plain >>> Battlefield Forge
Grasslands >>> Brushland
Mountain Valley >>> Karplusan Forest
Rocky Tar Pit >>> Sulfurous Springs
Irrigated Farmland >>> Yavimaya Coast
Scattered Groves >>> Llanowar Wastes
Sheltered Thicket >>> Caves of Koilos
Mystic Monastery >>> Shivan Reef
Jungle Shrine >>> Jetmir's Garden
Savage Lands >>> Ziatora's Proving Ground
Sandsteppe Citadel >>> Spara's Headquarters
Nomad Outpost >>> Krosan Verge
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Sidegrades
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Tribute to the World Tree >>> Sundial of the Infinite
Bonescythe Sliver >>> Obeka, Brute Chronologist
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Further Upgrades
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Bonescythe Sliver >>> Sliver Legion
Cleaving Sliver >>> Sliver Overlord
Blade Sliver >>> The First Sliver
Opulent Palace >>> Sliver Hive
Brushland >>> Temple Garden
Yavimaya Coast >>> Breeding Pool
Llanowar Wastes >>> Overgrown Tomb
Krosan Verge >>> Flooded Strand/Indatha Triome
Seaside Citadel >>> Bloodstained Mire/Ketria Triome
Frontier Bivouac >>> Verdant Catacombs/Savai Triome
Thorncaster Sliver >>> Sliver Queen
Great video. Don't think I can willingly support this product with how much they dropped the ball but you took it in a great direction and you get my view for the work you put in
I don’t comment often but man your builds have been incredible, my Eowyn deck has been feared by my friends and I thank you for it 🙏 keep it up, you are awesome
Glad to hear that my builds have made you the scourge of your gaming table and will do!
Two further upgrades I highly recommend:
Intruder Alarm: It's easy to give your slivers haste and to have them tap for mana. This allows you to generate enough mana to cast as many slivers from your hand as you like.
Mana Echoes: Similar to Intruder Alarm, this allows you to pay the non-coloured costs with ease - including encore from the Gravemother.
I'm a little late here but I can't thank you enough for how detailed these upgrade videos are, including this one! I admire all the hard work you put into them and they are super addicting to watch! Keep up the great work!
An excellent build. Well done!
Awesome videos and upgrade guide excellent stuff! Really enjoy the lore part brings back memories of old when slivers and were first introduced back in tempest.
I love your builds. I just completed this one and will play it this week in my play group. I have 3 of your other builds in my collection and they do very well. Thank you and congrats on nearly 20k subscribers!
Very nice deck tech! Glad your back making videos Grazzet!
Glad you enjoyed it and happy to hear folks missed me!
Great video. Can't wait for the Eldrazi deck
Thank you for this ! 🤩😄
Glad to see you back!
Glad to be back!
Great video as always. Keep up the great work.
Thanks, will do!
Hey grazzet hope you’re doing well and great to see you back!
Fantastic video as always, I already upgraded 2 decks taking advice from your videos and they been an absolutely joy to pilot. Keep up the amazing content!
Glad you enjoyed it and happy to hear that my previous build recommendations have been working well for you!
100 Likes reached! Thank you once again for this MTG content! Was fun wo watch!
Always great content! Thanks Grazzy
Glad you enjoyed it!
Amazing video as always!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Always do. Would like to see Patron of the Moon. Can’t believe I’m still working on that deck. Probably the hardest deck I’ve ever had to build.
All hail the mighty Sliver build! This one is big time brutal
as usual nice work with the upgrade
should inform of the most important part about Thorncaster sliver was not mentioned
the game will practically just end if you have venom sliver in play because it gives deathtouch and with thorncaster you can simply just shoot every single non indestructible/non hexproof or shroud creature to kill them
and ofcoarse particually win con upgrade....this is like thee most dangerous upgrades in the deck you can possibly do but they work so well with gemhide and manaswept sliver..... and thats armagedden, Ruination, or/and Catastrophe. simply put if your brave enough to do this land wrath just ends games with the slivers
Dont forget the combo elements of the deck: basal sliver/ashnod’s altar, and dormant sliver allow you to draw and play alot of stuff through the loot sliver or mindlash sliver. Blasp act and insta kill if you encore the damage sliver. Running things like jarad’s orders and buried alive can rly give you an explosive late game.
You motivated me to play Slivers. Congratulations.
I don't know if I should be happy or not.....
Great video
Welcome back! Great work as always!
I know there's far too many new commanders being printed to realistically keep up, but have you thought of adding an older commander you may have missed in your polls? Probably not realistic, but I enjoy your builds/philosophy and I will always be interested in seeing more neat deck ideas.
This is a big help ❤❤❤😊
Glad to hear it!
Yes!
7 sorcery not 8 omg i was looking for so long to find what i was missing rewatched twice lol but great build and keep up the good work
Brood Sliver (Sliver token on combat damage to player) is such a lovely combo with Bonescythe Sliver (double strike) and any of the power boosting Slivers.
love your take on the sliver precon and will consider a lot of things when building up my upgraded deck! though i will keep in descendants fury since not only can you sac the encored tokens but you could sac a sliver you want to encore because of a stacking effect
it has a lot of synergy in the deck in my opinion :)
That's fair. Descendants Fury can undoubtable see use in this build, particularly when using encored tokens to turn them into real slivers from our deck before they sac themselves away - but the issue I found was that there are a LOT of moving parts that need to line up for it to work optimally.
For starters, we need our it and commander out, a sliver in the graveyard, enough mana to encore out said sliver and then we have to get one of the encored slivers in for damage - which if our opponents are smart, they simply avoid (assuming that our slivers aren't evasive) by blocking the tokens - which can often leave us in a position to sac a "real" sliver for what will generally be a 2 or 3 drop sliver from our deck.
That said, one could argue that getting a main deck sliver into the bin is actually a good thing since it sets up our commander's encore and that we should have AOE evasion most of the time anyway - so that makes it a bit more manageable. That still doesn't solve the issue of usually hitting small cmc creatures, but since slivers are more about quantity that quality, that be enough as well - so at the end of the day, we can run it by preference.
May I inquiry about the sinergy of Basal Sliver with encore? @GrazeetMTG, have you consider it ? I am a little bit skeptic but Encore 1 mana Sliver to sac each for 2 may be a strong snowball right ?
I would cut Herald's Horn too. It's mana reduction doesn't work with encore or replicate. There are a ton of better options. One card i want to try is Teferi's Veil, which is 0.99 cents and lets you phase oit all your encore tokens to keep forever. It also can protect your attackers from sorcery speed mass removal. Only downside is the slivers left on the board will lose stat bonuses of the phased out slivers.
One interesting artifact im adding is rings of brighthearth to cheat out some encores while still keeping them in the graveyard
Theres always someone with an opinion that differs from said video but i must say this build is REAAAALLY GOOD! My ONLY thought where it could be inproved is for ONE creature..... Magma Sliver. Ive said my piece.
agreed
Your Decks builds are amazing, i would Love to See a god tribal Budget Deck 👀
OK, god Decks are never cheap but maybe cheaper as 300$ at all :D
so a budget card that works well with the encore ability is legion loyalty so you get 6 tokens on average instead of 3 also like the descendants' fury sacking one of the six tokens
I can’t wait to see the colorless one and maybe after these are done maybe you can show us one of your personal decks your favorite one
The Eldrazi Unbound precon should be dropping (hopefully) by not this, but by the follow Saturday - so stay tuned for that - and maybe I'll take you up on that offer to do a deck tech on one of my personal favorites.... I would need to just narrow down which one!
@@GrazzetMTGoh how many do you have?!😮
@@GrazzetMTG you should give us a video of your decks just commanders you like and let us vote to see which one we all would like to see
great video! good cuts and nice upgrade option too. i await the planeswalker upgrade :)
Glad you found it useful and the Planeswalker Party Precon Upgrade is coming soon, so stay tuned!
@@GrazzetMTG i already built an upgraded version myself but iam waiting for your list, so i can see what i might missed out on :)
Ayy you are back
Good to be back!
For the Hive!
As cool as Gravemother is, I actually think Hivelord is the best commander for this build.
As a Sliver player, you are going to be targeted, and the one thing that Slivers are really weak to is creature removal, so having a commander that makes all of your Slivers indestructible I think is better than a commander who does a one-time recursion, as powerful as that may be.
I think people just forget Hivelord is legendary sometimes because he's not one of the two foil commanders, but he is the best commander for Slivers in the precon.
Grazzet has the smoothest commentating voice I’ve ever heard. Pair that with the incredibly detailed videos and you have the best DeckTech RUclips channel of all time
Heyyy, u back
Are you going to do a Rakuramel deck? If you do, I’d look into putting hive stone in it’s cheap and it puts less pressure on to choose sliver as raku’s type cause it makes everything a sliver
Great Video
I have reflections of littjara and i feel it should be in the deck, doesn't it?
Maybe instead of tribute to the world tree?
I can see the argument to include it but the issue I encountered when running Reflections of Littjara in testing was that it's a 5 mana do nothing enchantment that takes time to generate value - which one can argue that so does Tribute to the World Tree, but at least it only costs 3 & helps generate a huge amount of card advantage, which is helps offset the rate at which we'll be casting our typically low cmc slivers.
That said, Reflections of Littjara is still a very good include to generate more board presence, so if you find that the decks speed and card advantage generation is already good enough, I would look into maybe cutting Beast Whisperer or Elven Chorus for it instead (which are CMC 4's and wouldn't affect the curve as much is swapped for a CMC 5).
oofa doofa, Slivers are gonna be a common sight for a while methinks another excellent video of upgrade and lore insights sera!
I agree - slivers were always a pretty popular tribe and now we should be seeing them across the table much more often (or on you side of the table if your the one running them)! And glad you enjoyed the build and lore tidbits!
I think you missed the mark on Descendant's Fury. Consider how well it synergizes with Gravemother.. you attack and a sliver(with an ability that stacks well) hits face, then you sac it, get a filler, the next turn your encore the original, and now have 3+ of it, hit face again, and you can sac one of the tokens for a free creature or sac another sliver that you specifically want to have a bunch of the next turn. You keep comboing without losing numbers.
I can see where your coming from and on paper you'd be right - but in testing I found that Descendant's Fury is a lot less reliable than one would initially think. Since a sliver needs to get in for damage, our opponents will usually block the sliver that they know we want to get through to sac (whether it be a sliver with a stackable ability or a encored token), either preventing us from getting any value off it or alternatively, forcing us to choose whether or not to sac another sliver that did get through that we would rather keep due to its ability.
That said, we do have a decent number of evasion granting slivers, so getting in reliably for damage is not impossible - so I can certainly see the argument for keeping it in and, if it works for you, I would say you do you!
@@GrazzetMTG good to know I'll be doing some heavy testing on it myself soon, just got it sleeved!
lucky, first one to like the vid!
Much appreciated and hope you enjoyed it!
Slivers stupidly op
I was really hoping there would be a wubrg uncommon legendary sliver in this deck so i can make a pauper slivers deck
That would be interesting but yeah, it looks like that didn't happen this time around. More legendary slivers would have been nice through, reprints or otherwise, just to get a bit more mileage our of Sliver Gravemothers 1st ability.
PLZZZZZ!!! DO COMMODORE GUFF!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏
Edit: ok now i saw the video 'till the end sorry 😅
love your decks! ❤
Hoping for the Eldrazi deck
I'm releasing these in the order they were spoiled, so Eldrazi Unbound will be the last one we'll cover but it WILL be covered, so stay tuned!
@@GrazzetMTG Oh, I figured as such, but you bet I'll be waiting
This is the slivers deck WotC SHOULD have made.
Descendants' Path should have been an enchantment, its a 3 drop and lets you play slivers for free.
can someone explain to me why the colors of tri-lands that were kept or removed, were chosen to be kept or removed?
Sure! The short version was access to green - as we wanted to keep the tapped tri-lands that gave us access to green since a good chunk of our ramp package needs to function and, if can cast those spells, we can then get access to all our other colors. So we kept most of the lands that produced green mana, swapped others with triome's that also tapped for green that we could fetch with our non-basic land ramp spells to give us even more consistant access to our colors, and then changed out the rest for Painlands to help speed up our mana base some more (since it is quite glacial out of the box for a deck that want to be aggresive).
Hope that helps shed some light on my through process!
Usually i Love your Upgrades but this one doesnt utilize the Commander.
Cards Like for Example Sundial of the Infinite can do crazy Things with your Deck....building a massive Board forcing your Opponent to Wipe the Board ,then Casting the Gravemother,Encoring a Lot of Slivers and let Them Stay with Sundial
He mentioned sundial and obeka for turn Enders in sidegrades.
No cavern of souls? No mana crypt? Is there a more competitive version of this upgrade?
Do the colorless deck next
Sadly these are being released in the order that they were spoiled, so the colorless deck is going to be the last one... Still, we're going to be trying to release these precon upgrades at a faster rate than my usual builds, so we should hopefully be able to get these in the next 2 weeks or so - so stay tuned!
i have PTSD (Post Dramatic sliver disorder) , cant wait to relive it again lmao
Which is better elven chorus or cryptif rite
Honestly - Cryptolith Rite. The 2 mana cost reduction is well worth not being able to cast creatures off the top (since it can sometimes be unreliable anyway) to help speed up and fix our mana base in the early game, which in turn helps us get more slivers into play faster.
Just one card that is completely good that you forgot as a big draw engine in the deck : Kindred Discovery. On the encore, on attack is kinda gross when you think about it
Also big fan of Patriach Bidding in case you get board wiped and can get your commander on the field
i know this is almost a year old but with the upgrades given what would you say this decks power level would be?
Honestly, this deck can get out of control really quick so, even with its age - I would say that it is still around a 7 - 8 Power level.
@@GrazzetMTG okay thats higher than I thought haha , been trying to get some games in but was unsure on what pl it would be at thanks for the upgrade guide and the response:)!
@@GrazzetMTG also was wondering with the encore and obeka/sundial combo, if i tapped obeka before the sacrifice token to end turn and exile everything on the stack would i retain the copies of the tokens and not have to sack them ?
I paid £90 which isn't bad
Good grief!!! This looks an absolutely horrifying deck to play against!
Yeah, its pretty nasty our of the gate now that its mana base is sorted!
The best way to upgrade this deck is to throw away all the new slivers and about 20 other crap cards. The Precon is a piece of garbage.
While I agree that the decks landbase is absolutely terrible - I personally think the deck itself is pretty solid. Slivers already have a LOT of build in synergy (the most of any tribe) so even subpar slivers are still very playable, and I would say that the new slivers are a bit better than subpar. Still, I know that a lot of folks wanted to see more the the high priced, 5 color slivers reprinted (and I would argue that Sliver Legion should have been in this deck since it fits perfectly with Sliver Gravemothers Encore gimmick) so I can see why some folks would feel the same way you do.
thanks for the upgrade but maybe , if i can, speak a little fatser and you don´t have to articullate so much