BOEING 737 MAX 8 TUI Fly COCKPIT VIEW from AMSTERDAM to ROTTERDAM
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Pilots view of TUI Fly's brand new Boeing 737 MAX 8, flying from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol to Rotterdam The Hague Airport.
The OO-MAX is TUI's first MAX 8 and will be used by both Belgian and Dutch flight crews.
*at Amsterdam taxi is longer than flight*
@Kameron Roberto just not caring about you bots *Its going great!*
10:25 heart skipped a beat...
Lmao 😂
Flaps are still at 1 so no need to panic.
I wouldn’t think that was mcas, the plane didn’t pitch down much
Well no, the autopilot was off, so nothing is here
😂
What software version are they flying on? 1.00 or 5.12? Initial rollouts had suicidal mode embedded.
Item to put on the checklist: "Suicide mode - off"
Amdterdam to rotterdam?? 80km flight with a 737 max???
Ferry flight without passengers. Because this aircraft was needed at rotterdam
Goddamn. Need to go buy some more bread, there is butter all over that runway.
No kidding! He rolled it right on!
@@smartrubberchicken you are acting like a 9/y old
Actually Boeing sent out a memo to the pilots of the MAX after Lion Air crash explaining what may have caused it and what to do. Here is basically what is happening. Upon climb out the pilot will engage the autopilot with it in NAV mode. At this time flaps are still extended for climb out and the aircraft maintains the climb as indicated on the FMS to the assigned altitude. Once the flaps are fully retracted the MCAS engages. At this point the MCAS looks at several things but one being the Vertical Pitch Indicator to either adjust the trim up or down as needed for climb or possibly level flight if needed at this point. The Vertical Pitch Indicator is reading on some MAX 8's 10-20 degrees higher than what the aircraft actually is pitched at. This engages the MCAS to lower the Trim to level the aircraft as needed. Well at this point the plane over pitches nose down because the Vertical Pitch Indicator is saying the plane is pitched up, which it is not. The pilot then will use the Trim on the yoke to trim up also pull back on the yoke and both the MCAS and the pilot are fighting to keep the plane level. Once the pilot stops with the trim adjustment the MCAS goes to full trim down due to adjust for the 10-20 degree increase in the Vertical PItch Indicator it was getting, which is incorrect. At this point the aircraft is sadly most likely in downward angle and unable to recover from it. Boeing did say in a memo what could be done to help stop this during flight. The pilot's can manually override all autopilot functions including MCAS, either first or at that point put the Flaps extended one notch to disengage the MCAS.
Great comment. Two points.
Number one, why the Pitch Reading is wrong by default, to begin with? This should be a software patch but why it is not detected in the test before, there must be other causes.
Two, there is no button to disengage MCAS in this brand new MAX 8. It is absurd to extend flap just to disengage MCAS while climbing in altitude. What next? The pilot should lower landing gear just to keep the plane flying? In any case, the plane should be grounded worldwide, until these two problems are fixed. The FAA and Boeing is crooked. Saving face over human life. This is a national disgrace. You're not just looking at a plane crash, you're looking at American Democracy crash and burn.
maespip afaik mcas does not engage when autopilot is on
Software that control censors was said might be the problem. What type of censors are on this plane? Let's say the plane takes off, and enroute six minutes inflight, A passenger texting, over riding the software on the plane. IPAD or smart phone data is the same as the plane it may interfered with the autopilot or the plane itself. And if a smart phone did this on both crashes , all they would have to do is see the calls\tests at that time and who had what type of phone, and see what type of software Boeing is using. And if computers or phones have the same data, And then you can pin point time, from flight chart of the crashes. jmo
The AOA (Angle Of Attack) sensor is the main input for MCAS which then controls stabilizer trim to correct pitching up or down due to thrust change (due to engine placement above CoG).
While the yoke controls the elevator, the stabilizer is much larger than the elevators, and therefore is more effective than the elevator at extreme angles. So counteracting trim with the yoke is not possible.
The runnaway stabilizer procedure should be applied in such cases, main thing is to switch both stab trim to off and trim manually.
@@darkhorse0102 Capitalism, nothing personal...
I think Boeing made the 737 MAX cockpit a bit like the 787 one while maintaining 737 looks.
I still think it should have 5 displays
nah 4 looks way more clean
Freckles Aviation /56
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Tal Ionescu is
Sorry boeing, not gonna book ticket to ride on this plane! Eva..
that landing was buttery.
tatsächlich war es
Not in air lions’ case
flying in high skill level. Congratulations co pilot
milton fonseca the copilot is André Berger, director of flight operations. He is in fact captain, instructor and has a lot of flight experience. So he should have more than enough skills for this short flight ;)
Why do you hate 737MAX and his MCAS? If you had been more considerate when you read MAC report about crash you'd understand that if pilots of those 737MAX aircrafts have done all by QRH crashes wouldnt've happened.OK, boeing had a mistake in QRH when they have marked "information about pitch trim calibrate before blackout electric motor of trim" like note, but no "warning". But pilots might understand it because it is very logical - uncalibrated pitch trim is very hard to set by hand. I think MAX is very nice plane with some little technical faults, but we mustn't fear it even after fixing problems. Fly safe!)
Pilots in near future: Ok, Boeing, climb FL 300.
Boeing’s mcas system: we’ll let you off with this one
Is it just me or are the engines super quiet?
I think Its just because the mic record the intercom radio, not the cockpit ambiance.
I do believe they are quiet compared with previous 737 generations. The other person made key points
Thank heaven for the curvature of the earth, without it these ground grippers would never become airborne. Excellent flight management. Thanks for the upload
Bobby Paluga yes, those engines are the new generation.
The plane was mostly empty, I think they used only about 75% throttle as you can see on the engine display.
11:32 shout out to Kenya116!
watching from Kenya
wait. AMSTERDAM to ROTTERDAM why is there a flight route for such a short distances? takes an hour driving
test
Training flight
You can't drive the plane on the highway
@@vince-367 hahahahahahahh bravo
fakevideo.. it didnt crash
once again boeing 737 max 8 crash shortly after take off / ethiopian airlines. The have to ground this bird immediately, until they know whats wrong with it. Until that I will not fly with this ac.
UTUBE sounds like a pussy to me
Can i fly with you?
Mickey De Haai yeah man he’s offering free flights in the new Max 8
they need to, but meanwhile, remember, it has flown over 40000 hours and somehow all the others didn't crash. seems to be a combination of design flaw and training. i'm sure in the end, it will turn out to be a wonderful aircraft!!
@@johncrazy8756 there are numerious incidences where pilots have report airframe instabilty with this aircraft...
Next time, on a longer flight, you can use the big cockpit screens to watch some netflix movies
A year later, they're not flying.
Plane plane plane 👨✈️👩✈️✈🛫🛬💺
What a beautiful aircraft and cockpit
Apollo Actual After a 5+ hour flight the flight deck isn’t so glamorous. :(
skyserf well I’ve never been at the front of any commercial jet so I guess my perspective is a little different 😅
Try riding on any previous generation 737 before you call this one beautiful
NOPE I prefer glass CKP of the NG the best ever!!!!
Classic had the best cockpit
BETTER ONE OLD TRANSAVIA 737 IN THE AIR, THAN A NEW MAX ON THE GROUND
It's sad that these pilots can't simply follow the procedure to override the autopilot which is just flipping a switch at the first sign of trouble. If thats what this crash was anyway, the same as the Lion AIr crash cause. Obviously there is a problem with the pitch censors and the software that reads them, but a simple switch to override it prevents a crash. Mind boggling. Funny you won't see any American based airlines making these mistakes.
Eh, maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge when you don't know all the details. For what it's worth, disabling autopilot is not enough, the aircraft overrides pilot input even when flying the aircraft manually. Yes, you can override that as well but it's not very logical and I can see why someone could struggle to do it under pressure. It's not just one thing that disables everything, you have to understand what the problem is about and take the steps to solve that specific problem. There is probably a pilot error component to these crashes but it's not an excuse for having undocumented features and making a plane that behaves in illogical ways putting people's lives at risk. This could easily happen to an American based airline as well.
Excellent observation that the public isn’t picking up on. Now, it’s a little more complicated than you said, bu when the trim system constantly is trimming the system away from where you want it to go, then why would you not think to turn that system off? The answer is that they were not experienced enough to remember these procedures as “immediate action” memory items back in the day. And their current preflight procedures most likely don’t have the pilots do a full check of the trim override system, which gets the pilots muscle memory used to knowing exactly where those switches are located and exactly how they will disable the system. Now, IF the pilots could have activated the autopilot ON, it would have also disabled the MCAS. But the autopilot won’t engage to a loaded control column (basically an out of trim aircraft) and they were also getting a single channel erroneous stick shaker activation. That shaker is what was driving the MCAS system into action. Engineering, human factors, regulatory, certification, training, maintenance, pilot inexperience.... all a factor here, as is usual.
Starting engine 1 while taxiing? Is that a new procedure?
Yes - it saves fuel
It is call SETO (SINGLE ENGINE TAXI OUT)
Compared to the A320 (from 1986) overhead panel, the 737 has about the same amount of switches by now (!). I don't know why anoyone buys this overly complicated aircraft equipped with a beta version software? The A320 is just so simple to handle!
The 737 its not complicated, it has different switches but if you know how to use it its so simple. Also the 737 MAX and Ng have a better performance than the Airbus family, also with more capability of passengers ,fuel and range.
@@positiverate737 sure..and he is more deadly unfortunately..
@@positiverate737 ahhahahaahha your so funn airbus is ahead with range and effiency thats why klm did go for the 320 cheers
0/10. Plane did not crash because of MCAS.
I'm sorry that you are butthurt, but this is humour nowadays. :)
I keep staring at those STAB/TRIM cutout switches for some reason....
mcas?
2 fatal crashes for this aircraft, 737 Max 8! All crew and passengers are dead! Don't fly on this plane, people!
Damn long starting the engines waiting for the motoring message gone before putting fuel in,should also put an autostart on it
My flather flies the MAX8 in Asia.. He agrees with you, the new design of LEAP-1B engines requires a longer startup sequence. Engines have to be in idle for a complete minute before applying thrust.
Enrique Delgado yeah it wastes a lot of time btw all CFM engines requires 1 minute idle after start,i used to be a 737NG simulator instructor i wonder how i can get a 737 MAX FCOM the differences seems little yet a lot
It seemed like an eternity between 80 kts and V1. Also, is it normal for a MAX to have a 170 kt V2? Seems high to me. Heavy?
Probably "Improve climb" option. Using longer rwy distance for more energy and better climb perf.
RIP people in Europa crash and Lionair crash my condolences go out to those people. 😰
"mag ik n beetje manueel vliegen?"" "ja is goed" "BEEP BEEP BEEEP" "oh" :D
infrawiz It‘s funny: I’m from Germany and understand every word...
niederländisch ist leicht zu verstehen, andersrum aber auch. Nur die Aussprache und vor allem Schrift is echt gnadenlos :D
Wahr, Niederländisch und Deutsch sind sehr ähnlich sprachen
Dat is de autopilot disconnect alarm. En de "C chord tone" betekend 1000 feet voor het bereiken van de geselecteerde hoogte.
Op welk moment in de video gebeurt dat? Haha
Single eng taxi out ..very silly
Nederlands: Mooie video👍👍
Maar, ze hadden toch al een max 8??
English: Nice video👍👍 But, they had already an b737 max 8??
You started engine n°1 during taxi? I know that the start sequence for the max is longer than the NG, but is that normal to taxi before the start procedure ? (I fly the 73NG.. and just did my differences few days ago) tnx for your answer 😉
Are you a pilot?
You are asking that question as a NG pilot? What kind of differences training did you get?
Amsterdam to Rotterdam? There should be a direct taxiway for those small distances.
🤣
Take the High speed train instead, faster and cheaper and no security check bull shit...!
Excellent de chez Excellent!!!!!!!!
SUPERBE VIDEO
ET PILOTES EXCEPTIONNEL!!!!!!!
the max is such a beautiful machine. i really hope they fly again soon.
Were those the new GE engines? Darn they are quiet! Even on take off I couldn't hear them in this video.
Perfect takeoff and landing. Highly skilled Captain and FO. Lovely aircraft. Beautiful external view. Why was the water salute ? Thank you.
little did they know what a death trap that plane was at the time
so glad you're alive
it's a very looong flight
Pilot escaped from 737 max killing michine😆😆
Nice plane, but horrible what happened to the lion air one
And now Ethiopian
I hope Boeing Will make a better 737 Max because i liked the plane especialy the engines
Pilots of this plane, have you ever had to disable the MCAS because it wanted to put the nose down unnecessarily?
After the lion air crash,Boeing gave a memo about the mcas(what to do if it goes crazy)
No crash in 737 MAX?
What a dickhead
Does the mcas now fixed during this flight footage?
Oh wow this is seriously rare!
Consummate professionals at work!
Looks good pilot
give me back the l-1011 i hate the new class cockpit and that stab trim needs to be looked at on the new 737s but i like this air plane its sad that people had to die rip there souls
Wow, it's unbelievably quiet in there. I've heard hair dryers louder than that.
Because you hear the headset sound, there is no mic in the Cockpit
you got massive balls to be flying a 737 max...
does anyone have any idea why nr 1 engine was not started before taxiing but during the taxi?
goindeep i think to save some fuel
Yea, it uses less fuel to taxi on one engine than it is on two. It is actually about half the rate of fuel consumption if you use one engine to taxi rather than two.
Aviation Simulations who would've thought
Yea lol
TUI does a lot of SETO (single engine taxi out) and SETI (single engine taxi in) operations to save fuel. Even if its just a little percentage, doing it on all their aircraft, everyday, for a year will make a big difference
Did someone realized they taxiied with one engine? :D
I realized they did the taxi with the engine number 2 ( right side) because it is more economic. I guess this is a routine in some airlines company.
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Taking off be like: Fuck you gravity
I'm really uncomfortable with EASA's comments. The MAX is a bad bodge. I will not fly in it.
Ok don't, no one is forcing you.
I don´t understand why they start engine 2 while taxiing,
because every pilot dose it before pushing back and lining up on the taxiline. Strange maneuver!
It's done to save fuel
Are you kidding me or there are still paper checklists in a new brand last technologies aircraft ??!
WTF ?!!
No ECL !!! 😲
I think it has ECL but they're probably used to paper checklists. Those screens look similar to those in the 787s which do have ECLs.
The 737 MAX doesn't have any ECL i can bet you that!
It must be a type-rating or certification thing.
tjperez69 exatcly the minute boeing decides to put in fancy stuffs from the 787 southwest Norwegian ryanair walks away imagine the profit lost
what is wrong about paper checklists? Imagine these displays have a failure, what would you do?
When they say the engine start switches in continuous, does that mean the igniter is firing constantly?
Yes, continous ignition.
I thought this is not a real route because it is soooooooo shhhoooorrrrrrrtttttt and there is a passenger rieview
It is not a real route. This was a one-time introduction flight to celebrate the new aircraft. Not a regular scheduled route.
something tells me those guys would probably saved plane with mcas malfunctioning. its not rockets science to know what to do with runaway trim, that explains why those third world country pilots always crash and it never happened so far in US or Europe, and never will.. Exception is france, but there are more than enough reasons to expect that there..
t only turned on twice.. and it doesnt turn on by itself if you turn off auto trim switches
New and two are already down
Thank you !!! I Love this ....
Please tell me it's a relocation flight?
10:02 that’s a lot of derate
Love Dutch pilots, they speak Dutch and English
fyi english is the international aviation language so all pilots speak english
verneras44 not at shiphol, their they sometimes use Dutch words.
I always thought this plane was made in a hurry. 1970s up top 2010s on the PFDs... What a mess... plus ONE AoA detector? Boeing you crazy
In all these cockpit videos it's always the first officer landing. Why is that? Is it to give him more practice?
Not all, it just depends who's the pilot flying
old man butter the bbreaddd
flying coffin
Not anymore. They have tested it so much that it is the most tested plane in modern history
Otimo vídeo!
Obrigado! ❤🛫✈
Judging by the reception on arrival I'd guess it was a new delivery to TUI and that's why it was an unusually short flight. The water canon gave it away somewhat
wow love the cockpit view!
It would be interesting to see if the pilots routinely turn off the STAB TRIM (aka MCAS) before it tries to kill them...at least they aptly named it with the 'STAB' part...as in from Hell's (Boeing's) heart I STAB at thee...too soon? There's just something about Boeing these days that brings out my inner troll.
Just out of curiosity, the name of this cart just ahead is "FOLLOW ME". Suggestive, is not it?
Only going from Amsterdam to Rotterdam they should have just taken the plane down the highway.
I want to know why beautiful cockpit everything done right why pilots using pads ? and why are the pilots using pads in the cockpit when in the back you got to turn your pad off phone off etc
*noses over*
damnnn that 's a smoooooothhhh landing :X
Aha! in Africa too.
One of 'em says something about 'stable' engines at one point...at least he didn't say 'stable genius' engines so we can give 'em points for that...
I wonder, how long it takes to fly from Amsterdam to Rotterdam, I guess, 10 minutes tops.
That’s like a 2 second flight I’ve seen you on topographic images
I would like to see the 737MAX with the Ryanair livery
@Ethan H yeah I know it I hope to see you nowwww!!!!
You shall see it soon enough!
And here ladies and gentleman's you can see A real pilots flying!
I’ve been travelling with tui for my whole 12 years off being alive! :)
Comments filled with MCAS jokes I assume? Yup
Erg irritant die overgangen
excellent CRM by both pilots
Andi Muhammad check
They now actually banned this 737 maxi and 9 due to 2 accidents in 1 year.
Boeing to najlepsza firma na świecie. Samoloty wyglądają przepięknie.
Excellent video gentlemen. My favourite aircraft with the awesome livery of TUI. Safe flying and greetings from London, UK.
It's sad when the beautiful engine symphony has been replaced by hearing the person next to you sniffle and lick their lips. Modern aviation has become mundane at best. Very sad. I would gladly pay extra to ride on an NG any day.
From Amesterdam to Rotterdam not need to use GPS, the same for the Airplane.
Quality of this machine is just OOZING out of every detail.
Next to Boeing, buses' cockpits looks like something hastily put together at chinese factory and made out of RECYCLED PLASTIC FROM A TRASH CAN... yuk!
Stop talking random bullshit
@Kim Jong Un
lol this
ruclips.net/video/-kHa3WNerjU/видео.html
to this day bus didn't change a thing and still in business of reducing earth's population ;)
At least the ´buses doesn´t kill people on purpouse.
Look like a small cockpit or are these dutch boys very big & tall lol?
Get off that plane now!!!!!The max is a complete mess......