Fixing GWs Worst Space Marines
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
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The funniest thing about them is that, the reason those missile launchers dont have any backblast was because Cawl basically reinvented the Bolter.
Cawl: AHA I'VE DONE IT, IT'S AMAZING
Servo-Skull #4343-6245-9473: Cogitating... You have invented a larger boltgun.
Cawl: FU-
@@ThePigeon5734 "magister that is just a downsized mega bolter"
No he re invented the Ork Rokkit launcher.
Having Cawl as the deus ex machina of the lore is the worst thing to happen to 40k
@@CTA12356Ah yes because wh40k wasn't already full of deus ex machina. Stop being an old head
The best part about the Desolation squad model is that EVERYONE is trying to fix them and there's a lot of variation for solutions. This one and Pete The Wargamer are definitely my favorites
I saw Pete's video a few day ago as well, and while it works its not my favorite strangely. Slapping the entire gun on the backpack felt a bit too easy but the use of optics and arm-computers was very good.
@@PearlJam2k6 tbh I think both approaches look great, Pete did the "backpack gun" approach way better than anyone but Jay's approach is certainly unique since he actually kept the guns on hand which I haven't seen anyone attempt effectively
Mad Dok Minis was my favourite. Replicated it for my rocket lads and they look great!
Until you realise theres no way petes desolation squad could fit inside a transport
@@PearlJam2k6 Indeed, just saw that one, his alternate arm options are interesting, though.
I do like the added Fallout styled com-gear & that tablet.
They need a way to store their rifles, when not in use, because then using that arm-computer thing or that tablet, could work.
Thing is, I don't really see a spot, anywhere, that would work and they don't have any carry belts on their rifles.
And why am I right now, remembering that Fallout Multi-Rocket Launcher or a modern day granate(?) launcher gun with a ammo-drum underneed it?
Heh, Mechanicum robots, do share a look with Fallout Protectrons, so there is that one.
And you could easily add in some Starcraft styled armor mounted headlights as well, for when you really need some light to see by.
Heck, is there room for a Iron Man Arc Reactor, by change?
Iron Man armor mk1 & mk1B.
I think that if you are careful,several different setups could be made.
Anti-Heavy-Armor, Anti-Heavy-Troop, Scout, Command, Demolish-ion.
Heck, it could even form a nice objective tile, a command tile,tablet guy, calling guy, radio thingy guy, Protectron protection to fill out to five units.
One actually nice thing about this kit is that I’ve now seen maybe a dozen different takes on how to improve these. Really cool that folks didn’t just settle on one way to kitbash them. Personally I simply swapped the arms for devastator squad missile launchers and glued the little rocket pod at an angle to their backpacks.
I totally respect the random numbering.
“They’re seventh. . .something” had me laughing
If I ever get around to buying a Desolation Squad, I feel like modeling them on Gravis bodies would help them feel less silly
Those marines look great with this conversion work and paint job. Jay's freehand is impressive.
yea like how do you even do that
From what I understand, Jay cheats; he practices off camera 😄😄😄🖌🎨@@206lucas30
Looks realy good! but one thing I would suggest is if your going with the idea that thes are discardable box launchers you might want to use the extra launcher cells as reloads somewhere on the modle to help tell that idea, kind of like how old marine launchers had a pack just for more missles.
Love it, going to copy this for mine. Only change would be the missile door opening downwards
Same. That was the one thing bugging me about them, lol.
It’ s a pity that you don’t kitbash more often. You brought originality, sobriety and credibility! Which is the essence of conversion. Those Nerf sounds like a junior over tanked conversion. You can really call this a success now
Having flame patterns on your gun is a proud and rich tradition all the way back to the Rogue Trader days. Good work, sir!
The new marines look fantastic! I like how the indirect fire weapons can actually function as that, aiming towards the air.
0:33 I get it. The issue is, they actually look like toys.
These look absolutely SICK! The cross over the face mask is the perfect icing on the cake! Never thought I could fan boy over a model figurine.
On the subject of Primaris naming conventions, I've been referring to them as Desolators this whole time without realizing they're actually called Desolation Marines/Desolation Squad. I love these models because of the way they've inspired people to improve them.
Another way to explain how your new (eccellent) converted missile launcher works could be as a PIAT, with an huge spring launch the missile and After some meters the rocket is activated. Logically, with someone such as strong as a SM, it would be very easy to recharge the launcher.
Best desolation marines I have seen on the internet hands down. Almost makes me want to buy the kit.
If I ever get another set of Desolation marines, I'm definitely going with this route rather than the normal
These are perfect. I love your instincts on the conversion.
Expensive kitbash idea: buy a desolation squad, and a heavy intercessor squad. Switch weapons.
Now you have a heavy infantry squad with shoulder mounted javelin missiles and hydra style rifles (halo five).
You also have an intercessor support squad armed with what pretty much works out as a S.A.W
I've always thought this kit was ridiculous, but you've made them look like GW should have. Great job on this!
No bayonet. I’m disappointed
Jay: “they look too much like nerf guns”
Jay: *paints barrel end orange*
This looks awesome man. Though the big rockets still look a bit goofy but nothing can be done about that. Best conversion i’ve seen so far
I love how even with the blur, we all still saw what kit it was
My favorite part about these models is seeing how everyone interprets how to fix them. I've seen some really creative ways to get this working, and I like this method a lot.
Phenomenal work. Your work with the Primaris models makes me like them a lot more, my biggest peeve with Primaris Marines compared to Firstborn is they all look too samey (within a squad), the old Tactical Squads and Devastators and such gave you more options to kit out individual marines to give the squad some personality and see each one as a unique soldier. Your alterations not only resolve this issue but also fix the stupid guns into a more believable, but still very Warhammer-y slightly silly chunkiness I expect from Marines.
Any chance you'll paint some Salamanders?
Can't wait to play as a Desolation marine during Space Marine 2 next year.
I wonder how they'll handle it.
I find it funny that people think “missile guns” are impractical, but we have the RPG and the little known “rocket gun” that was the gyro jet pistol, but that is just my own opinion. Also love this conversion I did my own version that allowed me to put the four tube missile pods
You did a great job, this is a huge improvement. That original under-slung belt-fed gatling-but-not rocket launcher thing was absolutely absurd.
The templar cross over the face was such a nice detail
Useless side note: In the real world the back blast issue is worked around by 'cold launching' the missile with, basically, a compressed air blast or small launch charge. Once clear of the launcher the rocket propellant ignites for full thrust.
I think GW should have made them as an upgrade sprue for Aggressors.
That would have been much better. There is space on their backs for weapon variations
5:05 "The gun is really more just a trigger and they take these rocket pods, stick them to the bottom, fire them off, and then just toss them."
Wait a minute, that basically the Rocket Launcher from Halo!
Imho I like the standard look of the desolation Marines, but this conversation is nice too
I do not dislike or hate the Desolation Squad look, but I do genuinely quite like the kitbashing you did here. If I get any (which requires me starting a Space Marine Army) I would likely do them something like yours, maybe finding a different spot for the smaller launchers since I like the back mounted lenses
MY BOIS GOT TRANSFER SHEET SUPPORT!! I know the Raptors aren't a very major chapter by any means, but GW supporting them gives me hope they'll get more
I immediately thought: "Shoulder- / backpack-mounted rockets!"
Nice job :)
I think Pete the Wargamer did an excellent kitbash of these guys for his Raptors army
...This is how I'm doing my desolation squads... I gotta. There's no other way they work.
tbh this is probably the most convincing 'fix' for these guys I've seen.
seen some cool conversions with the rockets attached to the backpack. Like a should mounted arm thing.
a definite improvement in my opinion, those oversized guns do look ridiculous, especially the leader holding it up like a bolt gun
40k is always supposed to be silly, it's a 8ft super soldier carrying a missile launcher with 1 hand, but its not supposed to be stupid, which is what they originally came as. I feel you did the best with a bad product and outside of completely redesigning the missile launcher, its a very admirable job Jay. You certainly brought it back to the correct silliness levels.
The cross on the face was such a good addition
Amazing work as always. I would've painted the rocket tip red or something tho. Its a little plain having a gray rocket in a gray tube.
I really like how you modeled these!!! If i ever get this kit, Ill likely be using this as a reference to make mine look not as derpy haha
wow the templar cross over the helmet looks awesome
My assumption is the rockets are 2 stage- one thump to clear the rocket from the launcher, the next stage is the acceleration stage. Since space Marines are super strong they can handle the recoil of the first stage without back blast. Maybe.
With all the RUclips videos of people “fixing” these space marines I think this might be GW’s most inspirational kit. Lol
Gw should re done them in the style of Pete the wargamer Marines. His shoulder mounted weapons look way better than the standard kit. A touch of genius.
When you were squeezing out the water for your decals, I was squeezing out the water out of my freshly shredded hash browns
Yeah, that looks so much better. Great work.
Like you said, the reason they look silly is the way a rocket launcher works. But I really like your conversion, especially the mounted rocket launcher instead of the camera. Imo the camera on GW model looks weird in teh position it is
Definitely a huge improvement! I feel like it would be very cool to make them be underslung guns (like some of the old Devastator models) but I have no idea how to make that happen 😅
underbarreled guns are cool in general. masterKey is my fav
I definitely think that the double missile launcher would have looked better as and under-arm weapon (from GW, your conversion is sick), that way it can off-gas under the elbow, and carrying one in each hand would look better than either two shoulder supported launchers or what they did in this kit.
It's a good take.
I personally think if I was ever to start a marine army and use these; I would scrap the kit and convert my own entirely with just intercessors and an arm swap.
My idea would be to make a salvo launcher, looking a bit like the cyclone missiles but on a gun held like a heavy bolter (with the support arm holding it at the top). If you've ever seen Deep Rock Galactic, it would look like the Gunner's missile launcher.
Best desolation conversion i’ve seen. Nice work as always Jaybo!
Those underbarrel anti-infantry rocket launchers look like they're rotary chamber weapons, like the M39 20mm cannons formerly used in US aircraft (before the M61A1 Vulcan gun).
Just like the Pillsburry Doughboy marines you modded a while back, this kit looks *great* .... when you completely change it.
Great work, your army is looking fiiiiiiine, boiy!
i love how he made it make more sense without completely changing the design
You know what I’m really surprised I thought it was gonna be the normal style conversion but this came out really well
I think the best kitbash I've seen of the Desolation Squad has been giving them the missile launchers from the Devastator Squad.
Much better. I do wonder if they'd be better using Gravis armour as the base
Fantastic work, if I ever end up with these guys somehow (a battleforce or whatever) I'll definitely do this, and put the targeting lenses on all the guns.
They should have made them gravis and had the launchers rest on their shoulders or at the very least model them so it seemed like the weaponry is heavy for the marines.
People have said GW wouldn’t have made them gravis because they didn’t want to give the stat line but they can make them gravis without Rey toughness and wounds, just say the weapons reduce it because if the launchers themselves are damaged, they’re unstable enough to in turn damage the wielder.
The Marines that nobody loves but has the most variations
Really really good. The only thing I’d say is, the missile caps inside the gun pods need to be red 🚀
Still rough... But 10/10 for effort, the best I've seen done with these is just giving them classic devastator missile launchers
It's actually astounding that these even reached the production phase. How were they not shot down in the design phase? Were they a joke by GW to prove people would just buy anything?
Nice, they do look much better.
2 stage rockets for weapon mounted rocket launchers make more sense in the setting as they are more technologically advanced and insure backblast isn't an issue.
I still don't understand why they didn't just give the Primaris Aggressors chassis a new missile option. Castellan Rocket Fists and Fragstorm were replaced by the Desolation Rocket types.
Would be more believable and easier to handle.
you could put the spear anti vehicles missile around the back on a sling since you said they were like one use you fire one and then take the one off your back and put it on and take 2
I need to finish painting my Howling Griffons Desolators. I "fixed" mine by raiding bits & kits for all of their first born missile launchers arms from the Tactical and Devestator squads. Used the missile tube for the mini missiles and attached the super krak missiles rail to the side of the launcher. It still looks stupid but MUCH less stupid than how they originally looked.
you know when he was talking about throwing away the whole rocket pod to reload i though he was gonna reference the M41 SPNKr from Halo haha
I didn’t give the captain the big rocket. I thought back to my US Marine Corps days and the officers, and high ranking enlisted, didn’t carry the biggest and best weapons. They carried pistols, It was the FNG. (F-ing New Guy) that carried it. I plan on kit bashing the big gun on a terminator in the future.
Considering you're trying to make them look less like Nerf guns, the yellow and hot rod flames was a bold choice...
You probably won't see this but I just got my Desolation squad today and I'm making them this way!
Y’all are overreacting about the guns being “too big” there’s literally space marines grabbing enemy soldiers and ripping them in half with their bare hands. I don’t see why they couldn’t carry those guns 😂
Regardless, awesome kitbash for them!
These marines look way better with your conversion!!!! Great job.
You're thinking of the Stingr missiles when talking about the trigger system.
Looking at this variant makes me think of destroyer squad, which is what I thought these models were gonna be when they were released. Honestly so much better than what they looked like before!
See I don’t mind the desolators, yes the guns look unnaturally big however, they’re space marines they should be able to hold them up easily I feel like it sells how strong they are
Good job, they actually look good with those slimmer guns and backpack mounted pods (although, I am still not a fan of the door thing. Doesn't fit the SM aesthetics I think).
And, let's be honest, "dinos-or" is definitely what Primaris call First Born marines.
Best Desolation marine conversion I've seen. Definitely going to be stealing this method! 👍
That calls for a Rocket Launchers of Sci Fi Miniatures Tier List! My vote goes to the Yeoman from Battletech. It is two legs, a cockpit and 90% rocket launchers.
Also, I love the redesign, but rockets require a backblast. You know the whole all actions have an equal and opposite reaction. This would blast the gun apart, but once again it's 40k
Easily my favourite take on these things soo far!
best attempt on the internet to save them. Well done!
Nice idea, the original missile launcher gun looked clunky. New weapon looks too wimpy now though.. maybe glue 2 launchers side by side ?
Honestly, making them have Gravis armor would solve the issue almost completely. Add the anti-infantry weapons to a shoulder mount and make the single shot mega-krak a hand-held option.
Hunh, I don't play Space Marines, so I never saw these in construction. I actually really like that gun without the top rocket pod.
I like these but I feel like there should be the second tube somewhere on the model to show that they reload them. The tube being under or to the side of the backpack would have worked imo.
I maintain that the launchers should have been an upgrade sprue for Aggressors. Replacing the fragstorm.
Holy shit, I was just watching your Swordguard Brethren speed-paint video and thought to myself, "if I were to get into space marines, what unit would I paint first? Never thought about it, but what Astartes do I like the most?"
So I browsed the GW not but 10 minutes before clicking on this video and the Desolation Squad was EASILY my favorite!
Opinions, am I right? Lol.
Definitely like your conversions. I’ve never really had a problem with the original sculpt for that kit though. The internet memes hard but comically huge weapons isn’t exactly a new thing for WH.
I’ll never tell. Those rocket marines look way better!! Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!
The bigger the better. Hence: Warlord titans.
And Dreadnoughts