The Pure Misery Of Watching Comics Fail Over & Over Again
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2024
- There's nothing more miserable in comics than seeing bad creative ideas fail over and over again. Watching Marvel destroy Spider-Man on One More Day is horrible, but seeing them double-down over the years makes it much worse. The latest example of DC Comics doubling-down on terrible creative is Nightwing. Specifically Bea, who started as a bartender, became Nightwing's girlfriend. Bea is now completely unrecognizable after DC decided the only reason fans rejected the character is her history and powers weren't convoluted enough. Wes breaks down the Saga of Bea Bennett and DC insistence that fans are wrong about her. The pure misery of watching comics fail over and over again.
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Homer- "One, Bea needs to be louder, angrier, be strongest and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Bea's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Bea"?"
The only solution is to simply STOP reading.
Yeah stuff like this just encourages new readers to read the good old first.
I half disagree. There's plenty of good stuff to read (independents, stuff from Marvel and DC vaults etc.)
But at this point, buying into anything Marvel and DC are doing, when they pull the rug out from anything halfway decent they have going more and more quickly (good luck getting more than 3 issues in a row on anything without an art downgrade or event interruption..) just makes you a stooge supporting awful comics.
@@jbbrolic Yeah if you diversify as a newbie you don't need to touch modern comics. I am into older 2000 AD and older Big Two for sheer volume. Tried Top Cow & Millarworld. Picked up random Indie stuff. Got a stack 25 volumes of TWD to get through. Reading Shakara vol 1after BC Krool World.
I recently dropped 2000 AD because they're continuing to work with Maggs and Alex "the killer" Decampi.
But I enjoy buying and reading comics.
I would take "Angel Punisher" over "Has always been an abusive psychopath who's wife feared and hated him Punisher" any day.
I would also take the absolute worst of The Clone Saga over anything One More Day or after for Spiderman.
I did like slotts spider-man before superior tbh. The fact that Peter was growing workwise and life wise was great.
The continued failing is why I stopped reading modern comics. Last few years have either been re-reads from my huge collection or trades of older era material. Never disappointed in the past stories for the most part & comics are still fun this way.
What would happen to a young teen girl who fell into the hands of pirates?
Rape, possibly murdered, or becoming a plaything for one or more of the pirates.
Tom Taylor has no idea how to write a story.
Ironically one of the biggest female pirate started with that. A chinese woman started as a prostitute but then she became the Captain's lover and later took over her late husband's armada. But I bet the writers don't want to write Bea as a W word.
I would think his Suicide Squad run made that already obvious.
Next year, they’ll reveal that she’s ACTUALLY an advanced alien from the future who was sent back in time as a child to spy on the Bat-family.
🤣🤣👍
Why don’t they just give her a series instead of making her a stealth protagonist.
“Dick Grayson became Rick Grayson.” Turning him into Rico Suave would have been more interesting. 👖
“Layers, upon layers of fucken stupidity “ … indeed!!
You’re 💯 correct on the money.
Kgbeast shot hundreds of people in the head fatally, luckily the one time you get to shoot Nightwing in the head he only gets amnesia.
😂😂
Such stupid writing
Kgbeast was one of most scariest Batman villains and is a joke in nowadays
@@EvandroACruz The reason why i hate DC Comic now
simple. he accidentally used the amnesia bullet.
So, Bea’s power is giving people a stroke when she tries to tell her backstory 😂
There are certain characters/groups where you can tell a "creator/creators" put a whole bunch of ideas on a piece of paper that don't connect/corilate and tell/told someone, "now make it." A story is a sequence of linear events, but some creators stories are built more like turd piles than a cohesive line of thoughts, with ideas upon ideas just heaped on each other.
It seems that they don’t learn.
and you? all of us? still buing I suppose. someone does
It's Poochie from the Simpsons.
You're supposed to think the character's cool because they say so.
Tom Taylor and crew: Ok, Bea needs to be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine and when she isn’t around everyone needs to ask “where’s Bea?”
She’s ….a …pirate?
🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
In America 😂 like the military wouldn't track down and sink them in two seconds of their first robbery.
That's got to be the worst pirate I've ever seen
@@SolidGoldCEO … I was thinking the same thing!!! She steals a billionaire’s Yacht and no coastguard no military IMMEDIATELY going after her?!🤣
“Yar-Har-fiddle-dee-dee…”
She's a community activist, small business bar owner, pirate, super spy.....more capable than Dick Grayson.
Honestly I would take angel powers Frank over what they did to him with Maria coming back and hating him.
The industry is like newspapers. It has a finite fan base. Mainstream comics for so many reasons cannot be saved. That is the fact people need to come to terms with. Manga will live on. Indie comics will live on. Mainstream will be done sooner rather than later.
Every Empire Falls, but Italy still went on. Big Two stuff will be like Italy smaller and having less reach.
@@PrivateCitizen84I love visiting Italy
Manga is just waiting to be corrupted by "I was always a fan of manga. My uncle's brother's child read Dragon Ball." getting hired, trying to fix the male gaze, sexualization, lack of diversity (read african americans), and correcting the dialog so that it sounds more like how kids would talk.
@@PrivateCitizen84 si, pero más allá de ello hay que recordar que cada vez que una industria en estados unidos se estanca,son los japoneses que lo salva ¿Se acuerdan cuando la industria automovilística en estados Unidos estaba en crisis por la ley de regulación ?y ninguna empresa automotriz estadounidense resolvió el problema, fueron los japoneses que hicieron un motor que hizo que se regulará el gasto de gasolina y haciendo nuevos diseños actualizados Honda y Toyota fueron la salvación y los videojuegos
@@annymora-rq6vi Well Manga has changed the game for sure. The western killjoys are trying hard to censor Stella Blade though. So Japanese games are under assault, but the TLOU2 bend over Abby scene stays uncensored. It's all very hypocritical and two face in the west.
I wished Image comics of the 1990's came back and started kicking ass against Marvel and DC. Or a new start up comic book company started up that actually cater to the fans of comics.
Image, Top Cow, and Cliffhanger fell into the same problem, the writers and artists got lazy after their series got successful. I still hurt over Battle Chaser.
Manga is already doing that
I will never let marvel of the hook about one more day.
That monstrosity should never have been allowed to be made.
I can't discuss anything about DC i am not a reader.
I'm actually surprised they haven't done the opposite and have his identity be revealed like they did with Superman at DC
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp they already did that once, in civil war.
Which led to One more day.
@@user-tc7gd5fq1r I know, but i'm talking about them making that more permanent
@@user-tc7gd5fq1r I was talking about something more permanent
Marvel and DC haven't closed their doors from all their bad decisions yet? How!? Guess I haven't been apathetic enough in boycotting and ignoring them outright. I'll be back in six months to check again.
I LOVE Taylor's outside continuity work, DCeased and Injustice are two of my favorite series, super hero or otherwise, and Dark Ages for Marvel was awesome as well. His Nightwing run started out very strong and quite enjoyable despite being a blatantly obvious Daredevil cover band. It had a lot of buzz and Bruno Redondo was killing it on interiors while delivering some unbelievably badass covers.
That being said, it really fell off a cliff after the first 2 or 3 arcs. The story slowed to a crawl, reduced Heartless to a rarely mentioned background character and shifted focus from super heroics and crime fighting to sociak justice and philanthropy. I dont take issue withr the inclusion of the latter the way a lot of fans do, but I dont read comics for those types of stories.
Taylor was given the reins of a character that DC was all in on pushing and turning into an A-lister and one of the focal characters of the DCU, and it feels like he dropped the ball. Hopefully whoever takes over Nightwing after Taylor will capitalize on the push and momentum DC has given Dick.
If a Nightwing love interest isn’t Starfire or Oracle than what’s the point? He’s always going to be tied to one or the other and anyone else is just wasting the readers time.
true
plus, starfire and barbra are the only girls whom nightwing married in the future and have kids on different earths
I would also accept Huntress
Does anybody else remember when Dick dated some meta-human fashion model (or something like that) after Infinite Crisis? I doubt most people remember her or could pick her out of a lineup, much less remember her name. What was the point of that? I know Dick was originally supposed to die in Infinite Crisis, so was she supposed to be the girlfriend of a different character?
It also reminds me of any Peter Parker love interest who isn’t Mary Jane, Gwen Stacy, Felicia, or maybe Betty Brant (I cannot for the life of me remember if Brant were ever a love interest or if she’s always been a supporting character). If you were to ask a fan, “Remember that police officer Peter dated shortly after One More Day? The one who used the Devil’s breath poison to prove her crooked cop father was her real father and not an imposter?” the odds are that more than three-fourths would either stare in confusion or go, “Oh, yeah, what’s-her-name…”
@@missmeme3946
He should marry them both.
I only believe in Starfire.
I stopped buying physical comics for a number of reasons years ago, some of them being how high the price got in a decade and how bad were the stories. Now I read them online for free and buy those I really like in volumes, be it trade paperbacks or hardcovers, sometimes Omnibus, as a way to re read those good ones and support the good work once it is actually proved to me as a reader.
We already invested too much in the past and kept this hobby/industry alive only to be overcharged monthly by stories that go nowhere, editors/writers/corporations that change characters for their own agendas, and getting disrespect from them when raising questions or critizing .
DC/Marvel writers seem to have a bad case of "Pick Me Girl" syndrome.
Desperate to get "their" characters picked as the new popular/favorite
celebrity..
Nightwing title has such uninspiring artwork. So flat and dull for what is supposed be a action book. You know if what was described here had been planned out and executed well then you'd have something. But as it would seem it is all adds on brought in to try and create interest then its not going to work. Gambit was introduced and there wasn't much there at the beginning, but since Claremont had a plan if the character worked what came later added to the character and drew more people in. Sure some stuff was probably added in over time by others that was felt worked for the back story, but Gambit had something of an organic feel. This just comes across and the "let's try one more time" and this time we will shove her so far into the action/espionage angle you can't ignore the character. Well we shall see. WTF20.
So, similar to Matt Murdock's fictional twin brother, Mike.
I can't wait until they reveal that she is actually the younger sister of Wonder Woman who was kidnapped by Amanda Waller as a child.
Perhaps then, comic book readers will care about her.
To make a character "get over" I think you simply have the give the character a clear role.....and be competent in that role.
This Bennet character could have gotten over by simply being an open ear or reliable source of info to Nightwing.
Be patient, have her be reliable and I'm sure readers will grow to like her....but everyone's looking for the breakout hit.
Best take on this I've seen. This Same mistake has been made with almost every new original character, dc has created in the last couple of years. Worst one comes to mind is Bendis' Naomi character, they threw her in everything and nothing worked, so they finally sent her back to her home dimension lol never to be heard from again.
At this point in 6 Years when we get the First DC Comics Every Made when they go Public Domain you could make more Compelling stuff with the Gag a Day, One step removed from Newspaper Comics stuff from *NEW FUN COMICS* than ANYTHING Social Justice Writers can make now.
Which character that will go public domain? Also I bet the first thing people release are gore or p parody.
@@kos2919 I was still researching Early Comic books on and off but there was something about a 'Sir Loin of Beef?' Unless that was miscellaneous Adventure Comics #1 One Page Story.
I think they add on to these existing characters whatever they need at the time to tell the story because nobody in their right mind would go and create a totally brand new character for a comic book company to just one day potentially swindle them out of millions in residuals and even credit for creating them in the first place ( see: Wolverine, Bane, Thanos, Cable, Venom, etc..)
Comics would seem like they would get a lot better if every time something was done badly, people just left it on the pile of stupid ideas but no, they have a stupid idea and they do it until they can't do it anymore... These people never give up.
Ric Grayson was one of the most stupid story ideas for Nightwing ever. If anything that name should've been used for Dick Grayson's son in the future. Richard "Rick" Grayson, Jr. could've been his and Starfire's half-human, half-alien Tamaranian super-human mutant hybrid son who is a costumed, super-powered super-hero in his own right. But instead, they write this idiotic story about Dick Grayson getting shot in the head and losing his memory, like some dumb soap opera plot.
Maybe it was only memory loss thanks to dr Drake Ramorey.
She sounds like a Skyrim character when you play and become boss of all the factions.
"Black girl magic." - Nick Fury
I'm not sure Tom Taylor understands what pirates do.
Surprised DC didn't make her gay, tbh. Still would've been boring.
I have been reduced to reading only cyberpunk themed comics like Rat City and Marvel 2099. It’s too hard to get excited for comics anymore and even a hint of excitement is met with skepticism.
This pirate princess is like Miss Marvel. Old leftovers that they keep trying to sell us as steak but even a blind man can tell they're LEFTOVERS.
I stopped reading nightwing when fear state started and it never seemed to get on track
Even though it’s unnecessary for Bea Bennet to be part of this annual, I like that Travis Moore used her to make sure that we get to learn more about her backstory and origins that dates back 20 years, including her mom supposedly getting killed by KGBeast, her being raised by her adopted father, being recruited by Spyral, meeting and forming a romantic relationship with Ric Grayson and keeping tabs on him, and having an interesting life that combines what Benjamin Percy, Dan Jurgens, and Tom Taylor was doing. It’s impressive and well done. I wonder if Bea realized that her biological mother is alive and will tell her why she faked her death to protect her in the final issues of Tom Taylor’s Nightwing run.
Also, since Bea was nine years old when her origin started 20 years ago, this makes her 29 years old in the present day.
All this retcon in Bea origin is dumb like hell. She being a bartender and a "common" woman that fall in love with the amnesic Dick Grayson was what maked her a compelling character in first place. All this foster daughter of a Bludheaven pirate and a badass secret agent retcon is very unnecessary. And Wes I think that Devin Grayson's Nightwing run is far worse than Rick Grayson Era. She maked Dick life so miserable that he almost give up to be a hero forever. Nightwing in contrast to your mentor is a gleeful character and don't fit with dark and edge storylines.
What would really happen to a young woman who fell into the hands of pirates?
We know, even if RUclips doesn't like us using the word.
@@freman007 wape
This sounds really hilarious but for all the wrong reasons. Sounds like an HBO Max Harley Quinn plot
Just like Wells and Lowe are trying to get Paul over.
I will always argue that Bruce Jones’ run on Nightwing is the character’s low point. I will admit though that back then that they realized the best way to handle it was ignore it. Though I am curious to hear how Jones’ idea that Jason Todd was really a tentacled blob monster”” would have been “justified”. Now it seems like both companies double down on every single idea.
Editors, writers and even artists, have been lazy & Apathetic
I was walking along today and had a realization: a lot of modern comics and shows today are like Dancing with the Stars casting. See, you look at the casting of DWTS and they seem to follow a pattern. They have at least one person who has had a controversy or otherwise been in the news, at least one member of the LGBT community, one person from The Bachelor or The Bachelorette, at least one athlete, at least one “nostalgic” celebrity, usually one person related to Disney in some way, and usually one person from a non-ABC reality show (like from Bravo or Netflix). A lot of comics and shows follow that same kind of strategy. In theory this should make the comics and shows diverse, but really it leads to tokenism since it’s forced and insincere. This causes even the target audience to turn up their noses since they want realistic and engaging characters with interesting stories & personalities and not the companies going, “Here are some tokens, so now you must love us and you’re bigoted & self-hating if you don’t!”
Speaking of DWTS, the actress who played America Chavez was on last season and she seemed personable from what I saw. She wasn’t snooty and cold like some people. I hope she does well in her career.
I literally stopped reading Nightwing during the 'Ric' era. So glad I never went back, it sounds as awful as ever.
I've always wondered if the Ric change was an editorial decision to get rid of the non kid friendly name Dick.
Fans and readers in general continue to grow more selective about where they spend their money while DC and Marvel keep churning disappointment after disappointment. They truly live in a bubble of their own, rejecting what people want to read.
I disagree on Dick being better with a non super hero. I favor him with Babs as ultimately Dick chose to be a Bat. No matter how gar he swings out, he will always return to the Batfamily---and Bat books. Much like many adults who went outside the family, only to realize home was with family and the girl next door. Besides, it contrasts with Bruce who always seems to try "normies" while enticed by villian leaning women. For me, that is what makes Dick a different Batman than Bruce. He see the light in the darkness (a heroine in their dark world) vs Bruce being entralled by the darkness.
I was wondering what happened to Jarro
I feel like most comics are being written by AI and slightly edited by the "writer." Even the worst comics of the 90s/00s had better writing and art.
Why does the art look like something you'd see in an instruction manual?
I think what's missing from all of that is the reveal that Bea is Bruce Wayne's secret daughter. That would definitly get readers into shops.
If she was an agent os spyral then why the heck was she helpless against KGBeast? I’d like to see Clancy back. She was a much better character.
Reminds me of something you might get from the old Alias tv show.
They need to stronkify all women into wahmen. Imagine if they made Jimmy Olson a super secret agent that new the entire time that Clark was Superman and was stringing him and Louis along. That feels more plausible than this, though.
They're trying to make her the Jane Foster of DC, but everyone hates Jane Foster.
I'll make a good character.
Sir; gimme your blessing.
Edit:
Imo the best ship is Nightwing x Zatanna 🪄🦇
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Kyle Rayner: I love this GL comic! Alexandra walks out of my fridge in ONE PIECE!
Peter Parker: I had a SECOND DAY.
Nightwing: I joined Teen Titans GO! Let's have a binge eating contest, Cyborg.
Deadpool: Darn. I can't think of any dirty words. Who writes this... bad stuff? Darn, did it again!
Punisher: I see gangsters. I kill them. What is so difficult to understand?
They weren't hunting for KGBeast, he wasn't part of the story before that, he was hired to shoot Dick
Awesome work mate
The cliché of memory loss is so stupid and common in South American tv soap operas, that they are used when the writers no longer know what to do to stretch the soap opera. Tom Taylor is so Bad, he could write a bad soap opera in South America.
When you started narrating the synopsis I tuned out
Not reading Nightwing, definitely not going to start now
This just smacks of somebody's fanfic O.C. I'm completely indie and Manga now. I have enough old stuff, and I'm happy to let go of whatever Marvel and DC spew out.
I get taking underutilized characters, even from bad books and runs, and doing something new with them or recreate them if they're very underdeveloped like what's happened in comics many times before (i.e. how BTAS recreated Mr. Freeze or how Snowflame has been getting a resurgence when he was the only good thing from the late 80s New Guardians) but this ain't it Chief. It screams trying too hard to make her "cool" and really feels like a young tween's first Mary Sue fanfic. Taylor, Moore, whoever probably should have just stopped at adopted by Pirates were it can at least parallel Dick beign adopted by Batman. And really waste an Annual for this? Pretty easy to skip it especially with that price and a Nightwing just having a pricey anniversary issue already. Like, I stayed far away from the Ric Grayson run and I'm sure Bea was at least a bright spot but idk how her chances at being remembered for a Dick Love Interest to bring out when they don't have Babs, Kory, Helena , etc around.
Hey Wes have you read the latest titles from Dynamite? Mainly Thundercats and Space Ghost ?
Because speaking of Thundercats , Dynamite annouced a Cheetara centric spin-off by Soo Lee and Domenico Carbone.
In other news , Image Comics announced their very first audiobook adaptation of Radiant Black with Will Friedle of Batman Beyond , Kim Possible , Thundercats (2011) (he was the voice of Lion-O) and Boy meets World fame to voice the titular Radiant Black.
I for one would prefere the animated show adaptation but because the comic is still ongoing , I'm guessing it will be adapted to animated form after its run is finished.
Bacause hey we don't want another Game of Thrones fiasco am I right or am i right?
Civil War, Dick and Starfire or you gonna be reading Dan Slott's "Spider Who Gobles" only or ISOM 1-2, TLDR keep Babs away from Dick
Fair point about Bea from Nightwing, but bringing in Flatline against a trained Assassin called Damian Wayne to get his butt kicked, there's no way she should've beaten him on the Lazarus Island arc 1st round, as we have already seen Damian Wayne lose his life in the past to be revived.
I want Nightwing written by Jeremy Adams!
The comic world just needs to put down this Mary Sue thinking to female characters like old yeller.....then maybe we can get marginally good female characters that can be equal to not better then the male ones....
Artemisia in 300 rise was a good character development. Thats how u do it.
She’s the bestie secret agent pirate ever! (Sigh)
All modern comics are a waste of money and time , destroyed by unworthy hacks
It sounds like they just ripped off Wesley's story from A Princess Bride and made her the Girl Boss version of Dread Pirate Roberts.
why do i have feeling that she's gonna be the tv version of batwoman in the future.
Well's ASM needs to be retconned because every character is treated so OOC and disgracefully, by a writer who doesn't care and jokes about it being an "experiment" that it doesn't deserve to be cannon.
Just Krakoa Era X-Men.
I prefere to read classic comics. There are a lot of amazing DC OMNIBUS-books out there. I am just reading volume 1 of JSA by Geoff Johns. And I read collection of classic WONDER WOMAN-comics by George Perez. And I just bought volume 1 and 2 of MAN OF STEEL by John Byrne.
They should just give her the code name of Fetch. :)
Tom Gaylor just needs ro give it up. He can't write his way out of a wet paper bag.
Her backstory sounds like 5 bad movie reboots forced into one movie. 😂 She's practically a Zack Snyder Netflix plot.
I'll stick with the older comics
Guess comic book writers think their current customers are gullible.
Probably think they are allies, and obligated to buy it because it is their duty.
I think some writers assume longtime fans know even less about the characters than they do. I mean, somehow they assume they can get away with extremely out-of-character, butt-backwards writing that shows they know Jack all about the characters they were somehow chosen to write.
Sounds like bad fan fiction at this point
I am finally out of the industry and not looking back. What a dumpster fire and sad joke the whole thing has become.
The only salvation that comics has in the west is if people embrace independent publishers.
With that said, they are going to have a hard struggle with the rise of Manga as its chief source of competition.
I'm sorry to say Wes, but I enjoyed the Rick Grayson era, mainly because of the Bea character and when they ended it and treated the character like they did I was pissed off, because I thought she could of still been a love interest of Dick's. But now I'm pissed that I was pissed, because bringing her back and creating this mess of a character, you would need to live a few more life times to do what she has done in her youngish life and I've yet to read the Annual, won't be seeing that until Friday probably! Shows you shouldn't hope for things, as they will be screwed with!
I hate that they have to make all his girlfriends "super", he just isn't allowed to have a relationship with "normal" people, but I'm one to talk, I do this for him in a crossover fanfic I'm writing but that's the thing, my writing's free, you don't have to pay for it, and the super special female love interest has been done to death in fanfic, they must have thought it was a great idea and that it'd sell. LOL.
Wow
New sub.
Obviously she is just missing the puffy shirt. Worked for Jerry and the homeless dudes.
Could it be bc she's.....black? DEI baby. Get those ESG scores up.
Boy,boy, pay attention when I’m talking to you. There’s gotta to be something done with the comic community.
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Not every character is meant to succeed.
If DC comics were smart, they would just stick with the characters that people want. Instead there going the same route as Marvel is with Ms Marvel.
Next she's Naomi's long lost sister.
Personally I'm tired of this mixed couple crap.
Additionally, the braids need to go, not every black person has them, but one can't tell based on current media.
I stopped reading new comics about fifteen years ago, have absolutely no regrets.
I liked to see Dick with Donna Troy
Who is she again? If you just told me it is a propped-up token character, the video is over in a few seconds.
I think you should read a real book without pictures like a big grown up.
Because you forgot comics aren’t based logic. The whole point of comics in the first place. Don’t over think it. I can prove it with the first issue of Superman
Wes, people are more happy reading Manga and watching anime. Than the actual adult children who hijacked everything around us. I would rather read fanfiction instead. At least fanfiction is made by actual REAL fans of those characters and universe!! Let's be real: Japan won us over!
Speak for yourself. There's far more people looking for entertainment that have absolutely no interest in your Japanese pedo cartoons than do. Don't group us in your gross weeb shit.
Viejo, Japón siempre ganó porque nunca dependió de personajes creado en los años 30,se renovaron a diferencia de los americanos solo son más famosos es porque estados unidos es la capital de entretenimiento películas, música,libros cómic entre otros que ya estaba establecido así desde los 50 a diferencia de un país en los 50 tenía la bomba atómica,ellos son una industria estable lenta al llegar al éxito mundial pero se establecieron a diferencia de america que depende de dos empresas que su vez depende de personajes anticuados para hacer dinero fácil
You might be right, that this is a lame character and yes she is from a lame run. But I really can't agree with your reasons. Unless its for sure that this character is being pushed by higher ups for some weird reason (esg probably), I don't care if a character comes from a bad story. I thinknits rather lame for an adult to he saying they don't won't to be reminded that a bad story exists because a character from then story appears. Mr Freeze was a joke villian with a gimmick, now he is a mainstay. Maybe you can argue that he benefited from time before being re-imagined, sure that is true. But I don't think it matters. I think an adult audience should have more dignity and diligence than to be upset about being reminded a bad story exists. Very lame