I'd like to try and clear something up. A lot of people keep commenting that General Grievous first appeared in the 2003 2D animated Clone Wars series from Cartoon Network so therefore, he must have been designed for that show first before appearing in Episode III which was released in 2005. Pre-production work for Episode III began just a few days after the May 16, 2002 release of Episode II. One first things that usually happens in pre-production is the art department designing different characters, ships, locations etc. with the director, in this case George Lucas, giving rough ideas to the concept artists and then working with them and fleshing out the different designs, as can be seen in this video. Warren Fu created this particular concept art for Grievous (later being used as Grievous' Magna Guards) 3.bp.blogspot.com/-kqATh3VMHe8/UvT0ozdE__I/AAAAAAAAj-s/4EdETNE4J2A/s1600/MagnaGuard_bts.jpg which can be seen in this video at 4:10 and is dated the 14th of November 2002 (as seen in the jpg). In this video it states that one week after showing George their initial designs, Warren Fu submitted the concept art for Grievous that George approved. I can't find a copy of that exact design but this one external-preview.redd.it/DjlgVJYnidQrlCPzNY6SIp0hcKvSEl489lMEBUA0-MU.jpg?auto=webp&s=5c4b685ef4f771adda395d324f3e5b048781b57c is dated the 6th of December 2002. Season One of the 2D animated Clone Wars series first aired on the 7th of November 2003. Season Two first aired on the 26th of March 2004 with General Grievous first appearing in Season Two, Chapter 20 which aired on the 8th of April 2004. I can't find a definitive date that Clone Wars started pre-production, but there is at least eleven months between the concept art dates mentioned above and the release of season one of Clone Wars and around fifteen months between the release of Season Two leaving plenty of time for Grievous to be fully fleshed out for Episode III then being redesigned to fit in with the artwork of Clone Wars. Thus, Grievous was designed for Episode III well before appearing in the 2D animated Clone Wars.
Well they kinda fucked Grevious all together in canon but in legends he was a scary ass mf, handling multiple jedi masters, loud foot steps to signify impending doom the whole badass villain aesthetic. But then they fucked him up in canon instead of letting his cough be attributed to Mace Windu crushing his chest. Scariest thing bout him is his wasted potential. Taking a Jedi stomping badass and turning him into a little bitch lmao
Keyboard Warrior wasn’t in episode III it was the cartoon adaption that took place between I believe II and III and it introduced grevious as a character before the movie so people had an idea of what would happen between episodes II and III then they made III where he was a bitch then people assumed it was because of his crushed chest but no they made the newer clone wars which became canon and the old one became legends. So they turned a badass character in canon to a little bitch. He’s still dope in legends
+Tugboatpb Exactly...!! It only works when you are a professional with background and experience and not just a lazy student who has no idea of his own reality, but yeah...well said! :v
Tugboatpb there’s a difference between coming up with another idea last minute vs holding off a project or paper until last minute which is why the professor says not to do it last minute lol
Thùy-Anh Thái the spray bottle nozzle was inspiration for his other design in the first batch that George looked at, the second idea came later and at the last minute.
The Cambot but he looks cool he acts cool and in the clone wars he has more development and he does have character you know he wants to kill the Jedi and that he has a long lasting feud with obi wan you can tell that just by episode 3 people who say he doesn’t have a character are high
The Cambot Ok one you may not think he’s cool looking but 99.99% of Star Wars fans think he looks very cool why do you think he was so heavily petitioned for battlefront 2 and I will say one thing I think his comic book origins should be put in cannon I do like it and it would give him depth and yes he does have development in the clone wars and the comics especially when you see his cave and I quite like his feud with obi wan it’s fun to watch and he has a certain charm to his character sometimes like when he was talking to ventures in the attack on Kamino episode
The Cambot wdym I said it should be in cannon because it would add to his character it would change his motivations well how it started his motivations I think he does have a character and wdym the CGI still holds up today I still see people complementing his CGI in comments
He sure is a legend, however, the thing that messed him up though was the fact he didn’t know when to leave well enough alone, his perfectionism ruined the franchise at large and selling to Disney was a slap to the face of every fan out there, I think that’s what he wanted that in the first place to say FU people, I’m out.
Timothy O'Neill wouldn’t you wanna do the same after having “fans” treat him and cast members of the prequals like shit? The fans killed Star Wars They drove it into the hands of Disney
Takes a lot of grit to deal with being so creatively open, and then have your idea be scrapped, then starting the whole creative process again. Props to these guys.
Tbf they’re all probably rooting for each other in a way. It seems like it would really suck that most designs get discarded but they can branch out from each others designs from what it looks like, until they get to the right design like we saw in the vid with the two droid guards and grievous. I guess it’s what their getting paid to do anyways so I supposed the designers wouldn’t have any qualms in that respect
The Prequels had an insane amount of pre production. Not only did the three year gap between movies work for pacing the story out, but it allowed the team to really explore a lot of the ideas of how they wanted to do things.
The sequels were like when car companies took stuff like the VW Bug and the Ford Thunderbird and said: “let’s just update a familiar design.” Nothing really “evolved” beyond the original trilogy, they just “adapted.”
@nikolai 1939 No, I can actually enjoy things instead of making every single thing into another "REEEE, SEQUELS BAD" even if it has zero to do with the sequels like this video.
@nikolai 1939 They suck like the prequel movies but this has nothing to do with the sequels. My point is that people can't go three seconds without whining about the sequel trilogy even in videos that has literally nothing to do with the sequel trilogy. It's just whiny like Anakin.
Me too. Actually, I think this is the majority opinion - even if it just isn't on twitter/forums/online. Just about everyone I know IRL feels the same. Star Wars just isn't Star Wars without Lucas. Just like, IMO, Star Trek hasn't been Star Trek without Roddenberry!
@@TheDylandProductions I don't think it's the majority opinion. I think most of the people don't feel anything negative about Disney running star wars.
This was Lucas's genius ... hiring people more talented than him to shape the universe he had in his head. Then, he already has an idea of what he's been looking for but he still does not know exactly what it is and as soon as he finds it ... everything comes alive. It is creativity and imagination at its best, then that drawing will be an animated character, with a characteristic personality. The people who do not appreciate the prequels do not have IDEA of the luck that we have that they exist, at the level of performance they may not be perfect, but ... GOD! How much imagination is there. My respects for Lucas and his team back then.
I like how one of the rejected designs clearly ended up being turned into the Magnaguards, I always love seeing pieces of concept art used in different ways.
When I saw Grievous back in the 2003 Cartoon Network clone wars series, I thought he was the biggest, the baddest, and the best creation ever. He slaughtered 4 Jedi in one episode and that was unheard of to me. One of the jedi he bested (not killed) being Ki-Adi Mundi one of my favorite Jedi. And I thought he was a droid with lightsabers and it was awesome. But as his story got bigger and better it became known that he was more than just a simple droid. Grievous is by far my all time favorite creation during the prequels.
I love the fact that even with The Force there was Jedi who could not defeat General Grievous. Thus The Force is not entirely what dictates in a lightsaber dual all the way.
He used to not be a droid but like cadet was servilely injured in battle and all that was left were his internal organs, his brain and pieces of his face. The rest was replaced with his droid body.
The kid in the floating chair might be ridiculus, but the electronic panels on his chair actually made it into the movie as the controlling circles of Grievous' Wheel Bike 👍
I think the designs for Tiplee and Tiplar were developed during episode 2 when they were thinking of making a female Sith, and I’m pretty sure Asajj Ventress also came from that idea.
The prequels are in many ways underappreciated. Sure Jar Jar was a fucking disaster and there were some awful dialogues. But the entire Culture and History of Star Wars was extremely magnified. Without the prequels we wouldn't know shit about the Republic and the Jedi. I love all 7 Star Wars films.
Totally agree. I hope after the next two movies they do a remake of the three prequels. Just without Jar Jar (If he isn't Plaguis) and it should start where episode 2 started and have the second remake be all about the clone wars and jedi
Айя Элиас yea, I think grievous was portrayed correctly. Great addition to the movie along the story. His character made a good enough impression for us to remember but I think nobody cared for his death the other villains did
Yes, they were initially designs for Grievous but ended up being used as the Magna Guards instead. A lot of concept art for characters, locations etc. that didn't make it into any of the movies were reused elsewhere, especially in the Clone Wars TV series.
+mranderson00001 Yeah, like the Turbo Tank designs from the original trilogy, which were dusted off, and re-purposed as the Clonetrooper's war weaponry on Kashyyk.
Wow. To think Grevious could've been a number of different things. I'm glad he turned out the way he did though, fits perfectly. Thanks George Lucas and the art department.
a) It's hard to match Tartakovski's level of greatness. One does not simply outdo Dexter's Lab lol b) Windu wounded Grievous at the end of the series, leading him to be weaker in Episode III.
I think he was referring to stylistically. All villains in the series up 'til that point, aside from the morally ambiguous Fetts, wore dark cloaks or dark armor. Darth Vader was known as 'more machine than man' since 1977 - and although for the final prequel Lucas wanted something to mimic that same idea/concept, he didn't want an outright Vader clone. In the Expanded Universe (and I presume the Disney canon too) the elements of Darth Vader's suit (all of them - mask included) were common medical parts used throughout the galaxy for heavy injuries. Lucas very well could have copped out and made up some plot about Grievous utilizing the same armor - and Anakin eventually inheriting it or something. But I, for one, am glad he didn't. Instead, we got a really great, new, villain design. I also really like how, up til this point, all droids were some variation of tan/brown or silver/blue. The clones were the only troopers wearing white. (And both sides often had symbolic bright colorings too - to signify rank) Grievous was cold and ruthless - and sported an interweaving of metal and white plating. Really stark looking compared to the other droids. Especially with his blood red cape too! Loved Grievous in the 2D Clone Wars series. And he turned out decently in the film too. (Although certainly more toned down/underpowered) I think it was genius for Lucas to have this mostly droid general foreshadow Anakin's fall - while wearing ying/yang opposite colors too! :D
Grevious was such an awesome character that was wasted. In the original clone wars animated series he was a force to be reckoned with and Jedi feared him. In the movie he was barely in it, and they don't even explain that he met up with Mace Windu and he crushed his organs to give him that cough.
+Keyblader001 Yeah they made grievous look like nothing more than a cowardly little bitch in Episode 3. Even though he has an insanely bad ass background story.
+Keyblader001 I know RIGHT!!!! WHEN I WAS A KID AND I SAW THE CLONE WARS ON CARTOON NETWORK I WAS CRAPPING MY PANTS!!! OH MY GOSH KI ADI MUNDI (who I loved playing with in battlefront 2) is about to DIE!!!! NO WAY!!!!!
+theblazer Wow... Nothing makes me happier than when someone who insults someone else is wrong. :) Check your facts, buddy. Star Wars: Clone Wars came out before Star Wars Episode III. You're confusing the 2D series with the 3D series. SW:CW bridged the gap between AOTC and ROTS. It came out in 2003 and ended in 2005 and ROTS was released in May 2005. :)
@@somebadcandy9332 You mean The Clone Wars. The Dave Filoni show that's still (Disney) canon. That never happened in Clone Wars - the 2D Tartakovsky/Cartoon Network series.
I have a mixed opinion on the Star Wars Prequels, I don't think their utterly bad, but I don't consider them as great as the Original Trilogy. I have to give it to the art department though, they put in a lot of work and effort into it. :)
The writing in all three kinda sucked. Strange and unnatural dialog, some disconnected plot lines etc. What I think George should have done is what he did here! Hired talented people and just sort of pointed out the general idea of what he wanted. Some kind of conflict, embargo on a planetary level. And they come up with a more logical embargo like Cuba missile crises in space or something. I want something dark, but still human interaction. And a writer writes Sopranos level quality dialog and so on... Afterwards George would just have had to pick what he liked. Instead he seems to be a little stubborn and surrounded by sycophants not really telling him what did and didnt work on the stuff he made because he was the boss.
skekSo the Emperor I think it honestly depends on how you look at Star Wars, as a movie or as a story. The movies don't really stand well on their own but all the media combined into the greater story makes me enjoy each film much more
I love how much insight George’s Lucasfilm gave us into his movies. I watched an interview with him where he said that modern people basically have a film school available in the form of making-ofs and commentaries. He and Peter Jackson were so open with their creative process and I love it! And what wonderful artists they had helping them fulfill their respective visions.
The one thing about Grievous that disappoints me is how they weaken him every new appearance. In the Clone Wars miniseries he was just pure badass, in the movie he was noticeably weaker but he still had some skill, but in the 2008 Clone Wars he was just pathetic. The guy who could take on 5-6 Jedi Masters at once was now barely holding his own against a padawan.
I think the concept art at 5:16 would've been a better look in the films. If he was entirely hidden in a cloak except for that creepy head it would've been a cool reveal for him to sweep aside his cloak for a fight with Obi-wan and reveal some freakish mangled body part-alien and part-droid with four arms all wielding sabers.
+Ben Zombie Not too sure if I agree. If his body was entirely covered, 1) he wouldnt have been able to kneel when talking to Sidious, 2)when he breaks the glass and launches himself into space, an overcoat wouldn't have let him do that, and 3) it would have interfered with his menacing hunched over walk. Also his body being completely covered would've been way too close to him looking like Vader or any other Sith lord for that matter. And he's just a general. I think the simple cape suits him perfectly. :)
I disagree. People like that badass 2003 version of Grievous, but to me his expressiveness & really well animated body are what makes the character so good.
I always respected George for giving the designers so much freedom with creating everything for SW. He even kept a lot of designs he liked but didn't put in the movie in case he had a chance to use them at a later date
I was always REALLy attracted to the clones. I think their armour, their design, everything is perfect. But no attention was never paid to them, not even their own 5 min webisode :( at least in The Clone Wars cartoonjs George finally realised these guys could make for some amazing emotional and badass moments. A clone of one man., 3 million times, yet every one of them was different...
I think they should have had Dooku and Maul as the henchmen in all three prequels. Maul was badass and Christopher Lee was flawless in everything he did.
Grievous was long in production, creators of the show included him and recieved drafts of apperance of this character. Obviously a few changes were made later. That's why Grievous in 2003 show looks just a bit diffrent, for example in the show Grievous is significantly taller (dunno if Anakin's line in RotS about Grievous' hight was intentional though), had longer neck and he moved a bit diffrently
@@bilbobaggins9451 The prequel movies suck completely. You are aware that it was a company making the OT and the PT? It’s never been just Lucas, you know?
@@mrpumavol7.044 Yes. It would just be another disaster like the prequel movies and it would have to be saved by another tv show like the Clone Wars and several other novels to make it good.
Could only imagine the feeling he got when the man himself chose his idea. And to be able to brag after and say hey u know general grievous ya I did that lol
I enjoy the fact it isn't confirmed by Lucas in this about those "two doids" with the staffs there being general grievous... but ended up keeping the exact designs as the guards and special soldiers of the general known as the magnaguards. But props to the guy who drew a droid shaped like a human skeleton, that had a literal human heart and human like eyes despite having a completely robotic body. Insane design. Probably one of the best character designs. Like hate for the prequels aside. I loved them a lot, watched all the stars wars in order rather in time of release as kid. If your new to the series you have to watch 1-6 as is, not new hope to jedi and than prequels. But the design for darth maul, unique but was later given one of the deepest most human like personalities of any character. Count dooku, sported a very similar look and attitude as well personality to a jedi, which he once was, turned and trained by the dark side. Grievous though, brilliant, didn't need a major back story or any personality. Just the fact he was a skeleton like being, resembled death, his only objective was murder jedi. Took their lightsabers as trophies. Wielded lightsabers of dead jedi and talked like a true bad guy, but spoke like a human and even coughed and breathed like he was constantly dying. Well, he did have organs. But all that made his character even more unique. Probably my favorite bad guy other than darth vader (both anakin and lord vader).
This type of creativity and passion is exactly what was missing from the Sequels! It’s clear George should have come up with the story and character designs for the sequels. The only thing he shouldn’t have touched is the dialogue.
I'm really happy about the looks they gave him, but they should have kept his personality and abilities from the early cartoon Clone Wars serie of Star Wars. At the time I watched it, I never assumed he would have a role in the movie, so I was very excited when I saw him in it. Sadly, he acted illogical and cowardly. At least his nerfed fighting power was explained when Mace force crushed his chest.
Hey, Grievous is by far the Villain with the most complex motivations from the prequel trilogy. Lost most of his homeworld, his loved one, his “humanity” and his freedom. Works for the separatists because they promised to pay his planet’s debt and for the chance to take his revenge against all the Jedi and the Republic.
Head of Art Department to Artist who created Gen. Grievous: Remember that feeling, because you're going to be telling that story for the rest of your life!! Artist: *barely gets to say two sentences*
My favorite character in all of the Star Wars universe!! It's a shame he wasn't used to his full potentially on the big screen but at least he is in the comics, and animated shows. Best Jedi slayer ever! Not a Sith and no force powers and still kicksass!
I'd like to try and clear something up. A lot of people keep commenting that General Grievous first appeared in the 2003 2D animated Clone Wars series from Cartoon Network so therefore, he must have been designed for that show first before appearing in Episode III which was released in 2005.
Pre-production work for Episode III began just a few days after the May 16, 2002 release of Episode II. One first things that usually happens in pre-production is the art department designing different characters, ships, locations etc. with the director, in this case George Lucas, giving rough ideas to the concept artists and then working with them and fleshing out the different designs, as can be seen in this video. Warren Fu created this particular concept art for Grievous (later being used as Grievous' Magna Guards) 3.bp.blogspot.com/-kqATh3VMHe8/UvT0ozdE__I/AAAAAAAAj-s/4EdETNE4J2A/s1600/MagnaGuard_bts.jpg which can be seen in this video at 4:10 and is dated the 14th of November 2002 (as seen in the jpg). In this video it states that one week after showing George their initial designs, Warren Fu submitted the concept art for Grievous that George approved. I can't find a copy of that exact design but this one external-preview.redd.it/DjlgVJYnidQrlCPzNY6SIp0hcKvSEl489lMEBUA0-MU.jpg?auto=webp&s=5c4b685ef4f771adda395d324f3e5b048781b57c is dated the 6th of December 2002.
Season One of the 2D animated Clone Wars series first aired on the 7th of November 2003. Season Two first aired on the 26th of March 2004 with General Grievous first appearing in Season Two, Chapter 20 which aired on the 8th of April 2004. I can't find a definitive date that Clone Wars started pre-production, but there is at least eleven months between the concept art dates mentioned above and the release of season one of Clone Wars and around fifteen months between the release of Season Two leaving plenty of time for Grievous to be fully fleshed out for Episode III then being redesigned to fit in with the artwork of Clone Wars.
Thus, Grievous was designed for Episode III well before appearing in the 2D animated Clone Wars.
mranderson00001 thanks for clearing this
Wow correcting his mistakes from TEN YEARS AGO!
Total commitment
Awesome
It’s glorious how your channel is still active after all this time
To this day the animated 2D Star Wars by Cartoon Network is my favorite of all the Star Wars.
so the magnaguards were an early design of Grievous? cool
And Captain Phasma was an early design for Kylo Ren.
oO Anonyme Oo smh she’s just a stormtrooper with Silver Glazed armor
Rustymcnut no it was a spray bottle
Rustymcnut
CLANKERS
XIX Pheonix7 don't use the hard r godammit!
"I like theesa one and theesa one," the inner jar jar coming out of Lucas
sodacann XD *Jar Jar is the key to all of this*
"He's a notta speak-a the English a pretty good." - Tramp
I've just learned a terrible truth. l think George Lucas is Jar Jar Binks
Renan *Darth Jar Jar
@@therejedi A Jar Jar BINKS ?
"General Grievous needs to be scary"
*gives him asthma*
Asthma is scary af depending on which side of the asthma you're on
Well they kinda fucked Grevious all together in canon but in legends he was a scary ass mf, handling multiple jedi masters, loud foot steps to signify impending doom the whole badass villain aesthetic. But then they fucked him up in canon instead of letting his cough be attributed to Mace Windu crushing his chest. Scariest thing bout him is his wasted potential. Taking a Jedi stomping badass and turning him into a little bitch lmao
@@swill3677 I don't remember any of those scenes in Episode III.
Keyboard Warrior wasn’t in episode III it was the cartoon adaption that took place between I believe II and III and it introduced grevious as a character before the movie so people had an idea of what would happen between episodes II and III then they made III where he was a bitch then people assumed it was because of his crushed chest but no they made the newer clone wars which became canon and the old one became legends. So they turned a badass character in canon to a little bitch. He’s still dope in legends
@swill4you FN you sure do swear a lot....
grievous was this close to being a special child in a floating chair.
I still want that child to be recycled for a new character
@@pikppa Surprised it didn't come back in the Clone Wars like other recycled ideas.
Thanos: EXCUSE ME?!?!?!?!?!?
Lol he predicts “the child“ from the mandalorian
That’s only something you would see in a anime
George is literally stamping his approval
lmao😂
Yeah thats what they do. Peter Jackson also had a little stamp to good ideas.
+christian holguin what
+mickey182c im laughing because he said george is literally stamping his approval which he was
+Chicken Soup i love that he does it in JarJar's voice too. "I like theesa one, and theesa one" LOL
Man I wish I could draw like that. look at that creativity
Shame it all went to waste on the Prequels.
+Fury 161 hurrduurr prequels bad. meesa hate prequelsa hurr
***** Well I can now broaden my horizons and hate on TFA from now on.
The prequels are awesome and one of the reasons is exactly the vastly creativity they carry on. Now with Disney it's all recycling
TravellingShoes Prequels are bad movies but they are by no means lacking in imagination. In fact that’s probably the best thing about them.
Proof that doing things last second doesn't mean it's bad. Take that professors
+Tugboatpb Exactly...!! It only works when you are a professional with background and experience and not just a lazy student who has no idea of his own reality, but yeah...well said! :v
Yeah you're right. Always remember that Peter Jackson was still editing Return of the King a few hours before it premiered and got Oscars for it! :)
Wait what f'real?
Actually it's proof that IT IS BAD
Tugboatpb there’s a difference between coming up with another idea last minute vs holding off a project or paper until last minute which is why the professor says not to do it last minute lol
wow I never thought of general grievious mirroring what anakin would become thats pretty cool
also Grievous coughs and Vader breathes loudly
Same with Count & Maul.
@@sonicmania6753 no... Not really, or how do you mean? The relationship is unconnectable
Mirroring or Echoing , is not fundamentally correct. The preferred terminology is FORESHADOW.
CapKhi 23 Count was a fallen Jedi (reference to Anakin becoming one) and Maul is a cold hearted evil Sith (basically Darth Vader) that’s why
Confirmed, General Grievous is based off of a spray bottle.
He's stylistically designed to be that way.
mrjtg12 that isn't true, that was the basis for his other concept..not sure why people are so quick to blindly like false comments
Oh, that comment was meant as a joke.
Alex K Except it was the same artist & you can see a very clear similarity to the final Grievous design in that spray bottle.
@@alexk1682 He's obviously joking lol.
The Asian guy came up with the best concept...and from an unlikely source: the top view of a spray bottle nozzle, of all things. Awesome.
Thùy-Anh Thái That is just the perfect example that inspiration can come from anywhere.
Thùy-Anh Thái the spray bottle nozzle was inspiration for his other design in the first batch that George looked at, the second idea came later and at the last minute.
+Thùy-Anh Thái but who created the spray nozzle? dun dun dun
His name is Warren Fu and he's also the guy who directed The Strokes music videos
Thùy-Anh Thái i
I thought Grievous was really cool when I watched Episode 3. But I think he was way too underused, he had so much potential.
He's developed more in the The Clone Wars.
amaxamon Well, he is in the clone wars multimedia project, but in the tv show, he's kind of dumb
The film was originally 4 hours long but for obvious reasons it was cut down to 2hrs 30
Jai R. How’s he dumb I never really got that impression of him from the clone wars
Jai R. The best version of him was the 2003 clone wars version
Still a more developed villain than Supreme Leader Snoke.
I mean,at least he did have some 20 minutes apperence on clone Wars 2003...so...i guess he have more build up than snoke.
The Cambot but he looks cool he acts cool and in the clone wars he has more development and he does have character you know he wants to kill the Jedi and that he has a long lasting feud with obi wan you can tell that just by episode 3 people who say he doesn’t have a character are high
The Cambot Ok one you may not think he’s cool looking but 99.99% of Star Wars fans think he looks very cool why do you think he was so heavily petitioned for battlefront 2 and I will say one thing I think his comic book origins should be put in cannon I do like it and it would give him depth and yes he does have development in the clone wars and the comics especially when you see his cave and I quite like his feud with obi wan it’s fun to watch and he has a certain charm to his character sometimes like when he was talking to ventures in the attack on Kamino episode
The Cambot wdym I said it should be in cannon because it would add to his character it would change his motivations well how it started his motivations I think he does have a character and wdym the CGI still holds up today I still see people complementing his CGI in comments
The Cambot he does have personality and his motives are vague doesn’t mean he has no character
Haters can hate, but George Lucas is a legend!
He sure is a legend, however, the thing that messed him up though was the fact he didn’t know when to leave well enough alone, his perfectionism ruined the franchise at large and selling to Disney was a slap to the face of every fan out there, I think that’s what he wanted that in the first place to say FU people, I’m out.
I dont know why people
hate the prequels,They have pretty cool Sith Lords
Guys I am not saying the original trilogy is bad
Timothy O'Neill how is it a slap in the face?
*When you call valid criticism "haters"*
Timothy O'Neill wouldn’t you wanna do the same after having “fans” treat him and cast members of the prequals like shit?
The fans killed Star Wars
They drove it into the hands of Disney
It’s amazing to watch George walk in and all the art department standing around nervously. George literally has a stamp of approval. LOL
He had like 3 stamps. The highest of his stamps said "Fabuloso".
Takes a lot of grit to deal with being so creatively open, and then have your idea be scrapped, then starting the whole creative process again. Props to these guys.
That's literally their job! That's how it is to be a designer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tbf they’re all probably rooting for each other in a way.
It seems like it would really suck that most designs get discarded but they can branch out from each others designs from what it looks like, until they get to the right design like we saw in the vid with the two droid guards and grievous.
I guess it’s what their getting paid to do anyways so I supposed the designers wouldn’t have any qualms in that respect
That’s how it works when trying to nail someone else’s vision.
You're there to do a job. Ultimately it'll make a better complete piece. Can't take things like that personally
Well it's scrapped for that particular idea. Doesn't mean you need to throw it away as it could be used for something else in the future.
Prequels: has a team of artists working for weeks to design one character
Sequels: Ctrl C + Ctrl V
The Prequels had an insane amount of pre production. Not only did the three year gap between movies work for pacing the story out, but it allowed the team to really explore a lot of the ideas of how they wanted to do things.
The sequels were like when car companies took stuff like the VW Bug and the Ford Thunderbird and said: “let’s just update a familiar design.”
Nothing really “evolved” beyond the original trilogy, they just “adapted.”
Do you always feel the need to whine about things instead of shutting up and enjoying the things you like?
@nikolai 1939 No, I can actually enjoy things instead of making every single thing into another "REEEE, SEQUELS BAD" even if it has zero to do with the sequels like this video.
@nikolai 1939 They suck like the prequel movies but this has nothing to do with the sequels.
My point is that people can't go three seconds without whining about the sequel trilogy even in videos that has literally nothing to do with the sequel trilogy.
It's just whiny like Anakin.
I miss George Lucas and what Lucasfilm used to be.
Me too. Actually, I think this is the majority opinion - even if it just isn't on twitter/forums/online. Just about everyone I know IRL feels the same.
Star Wars just isn't Star Wars without Lucas. Just like, IMO, Star Trek hasn't been Star Trek without Roddenberry!
Yeah, these films were made with more passion and originality in them.
@@TheDylandProductions I don't think it's the majority opinion. I think most of the people don't feel anything negative about Disney running star wars.
@Luca Pontrelli yes?
One good thing from Disney owning lucasfilm was kylo ren💯💯
This was Lucas's genius ... hiring people more talented than him to shape the universe he had in his head. Then, he already has an idea of what he's been looking for but he still does not know exactly what it is and as soon as he finds it ... everything comes alive. It is creativity and imagination at its best, then that drawing will be an animated character, with a characteristic personality. The people who do not appreciate the prequels do not have IDEA of the luck that we have that they exist, at the level of performance they may not be perfect, but ... GOD! How much imagination is there. My respects for Lucas and his team back then.
I love the prequels AND the sequels. I’m not a toxic hater like the rest of the fandom. I do hate the Holiday Special.
@@stephenking5852
We never speak of the Holiday Special.
@@stephenking5852 Holiday special has more character devlopement and worldbuilding than sequels tho :D
@Retro Yisus - Beautifully said.
@@stephenking5852 thank you so much, you’re a real one
I like how one of the rejected designs clearly ended up being turned into the Magnaguards, I always love seeing pieces of concept art used in different ways.
When I saw Grievous back in the 2003 Cartoon Network clone wars series, I thought he was the biggest, the baddest, and the best creation ever. He slaughtered 4 Jedi in one episode and that was unheard of to me. One of the jedi he bested (not killed) being Ki-Adi Mundi one of my favorite Jedi. And I thought he was a droid with lightsabers and it was awesome. But as his story got bigger and better it became known that he was more than just a simple droid. Grievous is by far my all time favorite creation during the prequels.
I love the fact that even with The Force there was Jedi who could not defeat General Grievous. Thus The Force is not entirely what dictates in a lightsaber dual all the way.
Joe Balaich Stupeed Jedi.
He used to not be a droid but like cadet was servilely injured in battle and all that was left were his internal organs, his brain and pieces of his face. The rest was replaced with his droid body.
Andrew Vasirov morally imbalanced ambiguous and yet kind to help Jedi :P
JoeC7711 I know. Count Dooku caused him to be injuried. I just enjoy his concept because he in a way is a foreshadowing of Darth Vader.
The kid in the floating chair might be ridiculus, but the electronic panels on his chair actually made it into the movie as the controlling circles of Grievous' Wheel Bike 👍
so these concepts eventually became Magna Gaurds, Jedi twins Tiplee and Tiplar and Admiral Trench
Scott Kiley yee.. oh boy Trench was awesome and scary af ^^
The spider that just wont die...
@@fortherepublic1263 He finally did.
Which concept art is Trench?
I think the designs for Tiplee and Tiplar were developed during episode 2 when they were thinking of making a female Sith, and I’m pretty sure Asajj Ventress also came from that idea.
The prequels are in many ways underappreciated. Sure Jar Jar was a fucking disaster and there were some awful dialogues. But the entire Culture and History of Star Wars was extremely magnified. Without the prequels we wouldn't know shit about the Republic and the Jedi.
I love all 7 Star Wars films.
I like you.
Totally agree. I hope after the next two movies they do a remake of the three prequels. Just without Jar Jar (If he isn't Plaguis) and it should start where episode 2 started and have the second remake be all about the clone wars and jedi
Episode 7 was a major blunder imo. Nothing as lore-destroying as a copy-pasted fully predictable story with the shittiest Mary Sue for a hero (Rey)
On the internet, we have a word for that train of thought.
We call it: fanfiction.
Finally someone who speaks a neat truth.
Thanks dude for creating my favorite star wars charachter
I like grevious too
He is the best 👍🤔
Mine too
George created Grievous, and approved of the guy who gave him his face.
I like how the MagnaGuards were almost at their final version in just the first pitch.
So I am the one here who finds Grievous very likeable and is pleased by his appearance in Ep.3. Okay.
Naw grevious is fine
Айя Элиас yea, I think grievous was portrayed correctly. Great addition to the movie along the story. His character made a good enough impression for us to remember but I think nobody cared for his death the other villains did
Me too.
i think that was the point, he was a villain that was a threat to winning the clone wars but he wasn't apart of the siths plan to rule the galaxy
Айя Элиас When I was 10, Grievous was my favourite character
4:10 did they take These concepts for the magna guards?
Yes, they were initially designs for Grievous but ended up being used as the Magna Guards instead. A lot of concept art for characters, locations etc. that didn't make it into any of the movies were reused elsewhere, especially in the Clone Wars TV series.
i thought they were spelled "mana guards"
ZeusPvP They were originally. Their staff's energy is made from magic. Get it? Mana?
Seriously tho I thought that too.
lol
+mranderson00001
Yeah, like the Turbo Tank designs from the original trilogy, which were dusted off, and re-purposed as the Clonetrooper's war weaponry on Kashyyk.
Please George...COME BACK, We need you...Star Wars needs you!!
Retro Yisus I don't think it would be a good idea after he ruined the original trilogy(episodes 4-6) with the special edition changes.
Uh yea more memes
Just let Star Wars die. 1977 - 1983 RIP.
D Fens prequels are better than original trilogy.
@@spenser9908 *2005
Wow. To think Grevious could've been a number of different things. I'm glad he turned out the way he did though, fits perfectly. Thanks George Lucas and the art department.
Congrats to Warren for creating such a legendary character
and congrats to you for the Fishmans profile pic! Excellent taste all around 😎
That's so cool. I mean how are you the guy who just created General Grevious?
I only wish they would have made the General as badass as he was in the Clone Wars cartoon for the episode III.
MegaKaiser45 *Hello there*
a) It's hard to match Tartakovski's level of greatness. One does not simply outdo Dexter's Lab lol
b) Windu wounded Grievous at the end of the series, leading him to be weaker in Episode III.
He was badass but Obi-Wan is better
Francesco Brosolo which is why obi wan almost got killed and needed the help of a blaster
CandyEye The same way Grievous needed the help of four lightsabers and an energy-spear? Xd
These Star Wars webisodes are cool as shit I can’t stop watching them all
Lucas: dont create Vader
Designers: creates Vader
Lucas: this is what we need!
He meant dont create Vader visually
Mackenzie Coombe yes exactly, George wanted grievous to mirror Vader in concept, not in design
I think he was referring to stylistically. All villains in the series up 'til that point, aside from the morally ambiguous Fetts, wore dark cloaks or dark armor. Darth Vader was known as 'more machine than man' since 1977 - and although for the final prequel Lucas wanted something to mimic that same idea/concept, he didn't want an outright Vader clone.
In the Expanded Universe (and I presume the Disney canon too) the elements of Darth Vader's suit (all of them - mask included) were common medical parts used throughout the galaxy for heavy injuries. Lucas very well could have copped out and made up some plot about Grievous utilizing the same armor - and Anakin eventually inheriting it or something.
But I, for one, am glad he didn't. Instead, we got a really great, new, villain design. I also really like how, up til this point, all droids were some variation of tan/brown or silver/blue. The clones were the only troopers wearing white. (And both sides often had symbolic bright colorings too - to signify rank) Grievous was cold and ruthless - and sported an interweaving of metal and white plating. Really stark looking compared to the other droids. Especially with his blood red cape too!
Loved Grievous in the 2D Clone Wars series. And he turned out decently in the film too. (Although certainly more toned down/underpowered) I think it was genius for Lucas to have this mostly droid general foreshadow Anakin's fall - while wearing ying/yang opposite colors too! :D
@@TheDylandProductions yeah but the first one he says he likes in this at the top right literally looks like vader unmasked at the end of rotj lol
A LOT of passion, love, and work went into these prequels. Shame that they have this stigma.
Literally a last minute design, and such a great one
That would never happen in Hollywood today and that pains me
Grevious was such an awesome character that was wasted. In the original clone wars animated series he was a force to be reckoned with and Jedi feared him. In the movie he was barely in it, and they don't even explain that he met up with Mace Windu and he crushed his organs to give him that cough.
+Keyblader001 Yeah they made grievous look like nothing more than a cowardly little bitch in Episode 3. Even though he has an insanely bad ass background story.
+Keyblader001 I know RIGHT!!!! WHEN I WAS A KID AND I SAW THE CLONE WARS ON CARTOON NETWORK I WAS CRAPPING MY PANTS!!! OH MY GOSH KI ADI MUNDI (who I loved playing with in battlefront 2) is about to DIE!!!! NO WAY!!!!!
+Keyblader001 Dumbass, the film was made before the series..
+theblazer Wow... Nothing makes me happier than when someone who insults someone else is wrong. :) Check your facts, buddy. Star Wars: Clone Wars came out before Star Wars Episode III. You're confusing the 2D series with the 3D series. SW:CW bridged the gap between AOTC and ROTS. It came out in 2003 and ended in 2005 and ROTS was released in May 2005. :)
***** The movie was MADE first, the series was RELEASED first. Learn the difference.
“When I was in bathroom...” Rian Johnson must have watched this and taken similar inspirational approach for The Last Jedi.
Omg ahahahhahahahahaha
One of the better comments I have seen in recent memory.
this comment has to be taken up to the top
3:50 “don’t recreate earth Vader” well that’s exactly what trash Disney pretty much did.
hah
*Darth Vader, and he said it well before your time stamp.
in all fairness to those movies, that was the point. the character is aware of that
@@groovyraffraff5300 yep
And resurrected palpatine..🙄🙄
I was almost a hot chic
i noticed it too. that drawing actually looks like one of the Jedi twins that got shot in the head by a defective Clone in Clone Wars
@@somebadcandy9332 You mean The Clone Wars. The Dave Filoni show that's still (Disney) canon.
That never happened in Clone Wars - the 2D Tartakovsky/Cartoon Network series.
Let that asian dude who made darth spray bottle direct episode 10
I have a mixed opinion on the Star Wars Prequels, I don't think their utterly bad, but I don't consider them as great as the Original Trilogy. I have to give it to the art department though, they put in a lot of work and effort into it. :)
The writing in all three kinda sucked.
Strange and unnatural dialog, some disconnected plot lines etc.
What I think George should have done is what he did here!
Hired talented people and just sort of pointed out the general idea of what he wanted. Some kind of conflict, embargo on a planetary level. And they come up with a more logical embargo like Cuba missile crises in space or something. I want something dark, but still human interaction. And a writer writes Sopranos level quality dialog and so on...
Afterwards George would just have had to pick what he liked.
Instead he seems to be a little stubborn and surrounded by sycophants not really telling him what did and didnt work on the stuff he made because he was the boss.
***** dude dooku taught him todo stuff like that b4 u bash grievous and lucas way of doing it look at the vid were dooku trains him it xplains all
skekSo the Emperor I think it honestly depends on how you look at Star Wars, as a movie or as a story. The movies don't really stand well on their own but all the media combined into the greater story makes me enjoy each film much more
As George said (I'm paraphrasing), I'm more of a visual storyteller. The story rests on the visuals, not the dialogue.
That spray bottle design that one artist came up with reminds me of Bionicles.
I love how much insight George’s Lucasfilm gave us into his movies. I watched an interview with him where he said that modern people basically have a film school available in the form of making-ofs and commentaries. He and Peter Jackson were so open with their creative process and I love it! And what wonderful artists they had helping them fulfill their respective visions.
The one thing about Grievous that disappoints me is how they weaken him every new appearance. In the Clone Wars miniseries he was just pure badass, in the movie he was noticeably weaker but he still had some skill, but in the 2008 Clone Wars he was just pathetic. The guy who could take on 5-6 Jedi Masters at once was now barely holding his own against a padawan.
None of the care and detail was put into the newer star wars films...just throw crap together and cash in a big pay check
The Emperor... kind of creepy how much he looks like the Pope lol...
I think the concept art at 5:16 would've been a better look in the films. If he was entirely hidden in a cloak except for that creepy head it would've been a cool reveal for him to sweep aside his cloak for a fight with Obi-wan and reveal some freakish mangled body part-alien and part-droid with four arms all wielding sabers.
+Ben Zombie Not too sure if I agree. If his body was entirely covered, 1) he wouldnt have been able to kneel when talking to Sidious, 2)when he breaks the glass and launches himself into space, an overcoat wouldn't have let him do that, and 3) it would have interfered with his menacing hunched over walk.
Also his body being completely covered would've been way too close to him looking like Vader or any other Sith lord for that matter. And he's just a general. I think the simple cape suits him perfectly. :)
That's what they did in the 2003 cartoon
I disagree. People like that badass 2003 version of Grievous, but to me his expressiveness & really well animated body are what makes the character so good.
lol... a spray bottle
Everyone is hating the prequels AND the new episodes just because its mainstream. I on the other hand enjoyed the prequels particulary episode III.
Now look. I always thought the prequels were awesome but after the sequels, more and more are coming to appreciate the prequels.
Nobody hated the prequel movies because they were mainstream, people hated them because they weren't all that great upon close inspection.
I always respected George for giving the designers so much freedom with creating everything for SW. He even kept a lot of designs he liked but didn't put in the movie in case he had a chance to use them at a later date
General Grevious has an awesome design now. He looks horrifying.
I was always REALLy attracted to the clones. I think their armour, their design, everything is perfect. But no attention was never paid to them, not even their own 5 min webisode :( at least in The Clone Wars cartoonjs George finally realised these guys could make for some amazing emotional and badass moments. A clone of one man., 3 million times, yet every one of them was different...
that was amazing how they were all still individuals.
Anthony Quigley which clones you like best. Ep 2,3 or original trilogy
George wasn't in charge of the clone wars.
Shit was sooo magical back then. God.
Could you imagine being in the room attempting to make the main bad guy of Episode 3? That would be a dream
Did anyone else find it fully that George stamped his approval in Jar Jars voice? "I LIKE THEESSA ONE, AND THEESSA ONE!"
I thought Lucas sounded a bit weird there.
He had bronchites during the making of Episode III
@@pikppa Heesa not feelin so good
"Grievous is an alien in a droid shell, which is an echo of what Anakin will become".
Holy sh*t George was operating on levels sooo deep
The final design of grievous was actually awesome. And the cgi quality on his close up is amazing.
haha, fuckin artists. you gotta love them, but they are some really corky and odd people.
Last minute and got the perfect character! I couldn’t imagine grievous looking any different
I wish they'd brought in Grevious in sooner and had him be the Prequel equivalent of Darth Vader.
I think they should have had Dooku and Maul as the henchmen in all three prequels. Maul was badass and Christopher Lee was flawless in everything he did.
Luckily George made Clone Wars to use them more
They should have replaced Dooku with Maul, and have Griveous apear in AoTC.
He kinda was, until Filoni didn’t make the character justice and brought Maul back.
I thought Grievous was made in the 2003 clone wars series.
He made his debut in Clone Wars but that design was probably based on this initial sketch
Grievous was long in production, creators of the show included him and recieved drafts of apperance of this character. Obviously a few changes were made later. That's why Grievous in 2003 show looks just a bit diffrent, for example in the show Grievous is significantly taller (dunno if Anakin's line in RotS about Grievous' hight was intentional though), had longer neck and he moved a bit diffrently
Remember when star wars movies were made with some form of love for the fans and the production
We haven't had that since the OT.
@@bilbobaggins9451 Bad movies may have passion but it means nothing.
@@bilbobaggins9451 The prequel movies suck completely.
You are aware that it was a company making the OT and the PT? It’s never been just Lucas, you know?
@@bilbobaggins9451 I’m not wrong though. His company did come with ideas too.
@@PerfectAzrael the age of prequel hate is over.
Wow, they made a whole movie out of my chapter in Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga.
It's him here he is
But also on board is Captain Nefarious, Captain I'mABadGuy, and Admiral Bone-to-Pick...
But they don't mention them.
god damn that was funny
BOBA FETT?! WHERE?!
Fuck you Rick Berman, you ruined this too. Oh wait a minute, that ain’t Rick Berman. What is it with Ricks?
What about Commander Catastrophe? Nothing on Admiral Annihilation?
WISH WE HAD A GEORGE FOR THE SEQUELS
I'd go see a Legends sequel trilogy led by George Lucas 1000 times in theaters! LOL
You wouldn't enjoy it, it would be garbage like the sequels lol
@@PerfectAzrael no
@@mrpumavol7.044 Yes. It would just be another disaster like the prequel movies and it would have to be saved by another tv show like the Clone Wars and several other novels to make it good.
@@PerfectAzrael could happen like in the Ot in which certain people help him with certain stuufs
Like ideas,directing
I like the prequels tho
General Grevious is my fav Star Wars Character.
Could only imagine the feeling he got when the man himself chose his idea. And to be able to brag after and say hey u know general grievous ya I did that lol
Lucas' mistakes were nowhere near as bad as the atrocities committed by Disney.
Comparing shit to shit isn't a good mentality. They're both atrocities at the end of the day lol
I love that they caught on video the exact moment when he's looking at that spray bottle and goes "huh... This could work"
I enjoy the fact it isn't confirmed by Lucas in this about those "two doids" with the staffs there being general grievous... but ended up keeping the exact designs as the guards and special soldiers of the general known as the magnaguards. But props to the guy who drew a droid shaped like a human skeleton, that had a literal human heart and human like eyes despite having a completely robotic body. Insane design. Probably one of the best character designs. Like hate for the prequels aside. I loved them a lot, watched all the stars wars in order rather in time of release as kid. If your new to the series you have to watch 1-6 as is, not new hope to jedi and than prequels. But the design for darth maul, unique but was later given one of the deepest most human like personalities of any character. Count dooku, sported a very similar look and attitude as well personality to a jedi, which he once was, turned and trained by the dark side. Grievous though, brilliant, didn't need a major back story or any personality. Just the fact he was a skeleton like being, resembled death, his only objective was murder jedi. Took their lightsabers as trophies. Wielded lightsabers of dead jedi and talked like a true bad guy, but spoke like a human and even coughed and breathed like he was constantly dying. Well, he did have organs. But all that made his character even more unique. Probably my favorite bad guy other than darth vader (both anakin and lord vader).
Imagine being the one to create someone as iconic as general grevious
Febrievous, a fine addition to your everyday cleaning supply collection.
I guess they found the MagnaGuards just about good enough to put them in as bodyguards for key figures of the CLone Wars.
How to be Grievous:
Must have too many lightsabers
Must be trained in the Jedi arts by Count Dooku
Must be hated by Dooku
Must perfect greeting
"Ahh yes the Negotiatiator"
"General Kenobi"
*Cough Cough
4:18 and that became the magnaguard
It would be terrifying to have George himself judge your hours of hard work
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
*Doesn’t want him to be like Vader.
“So he’s an organic being who’s mostly machine with a breathing problem.”
He didn't want him to look like Vader visually.
1:32 so I guess thats where Jedi Tiplee and Tiplar from the Clone Wars Season 6 came from!
This type of creativity and passion is exactly what was missing from the Sequels! It’s clear George should have come up with the story and character designs for the sequels. The only thing he shouldn’t have touched is the dialogue.
3:47
„The ultimate scary guy, a kid? Is somebody a parent?“ xD
That's what new SW is missing - someone to judge every idea and choose the most interesting.
Unless your Kathleen Kennedy and opinions and creativity get you fired when working with her..🙄🙄🙄
I'm really happy about the looks they gave him, but they should have kept his personality and abilities from the early cartoon Clone Wars serie of Star Wars. At the time I watched it, I never assumed he would have a role in the movie, so I was very excited when I saw him in it. Sadly, he acted illogical and cowardly. At least his nerfed fighting power was explained when Mace force crushed his chest.
Still a more developed villain than any of the new star wars villians
Visually perhaps but from a character perspective Kylo Ren is much more developed.
Hey, Grievous is by far the Villain with the most complex motivations from the prequel trilogy. Lost most of his homeworld, his loved one, his “humanity” and his freedom. Works for the separatists because they promised to pay his planet’s debt and for the chance to take his revenge against all the Jedi and the Republic.
Head of Art Department to Artist who created Gen. Grievous: Remember that feeling, because you're going to be telling that story for the rest of your life!!
Artist: *barely gets to say two sentences*
3:06
Is that Admiral Trench?
No, but it does kinda look like him.
They like using old concepts for new characters in the TV shows and future episodes so it may have been a recycled one
General Grievous is coughing, because Mace Windu nearly killed him by force crushing his chest.
George: no villain to look like Darth Vader. Disney makes kylo ren like Vader.
i remember watching this as a kid
This video will make a fine addition to my collection
*cough cough*
those artist have some really creative minds! incredible
3:47 = Mass Effect 3 ultimate bad guy lol :P
General Grievous was the ultimate villainous sidekick in all of Star Wars.
My favorite character in all of the Star Wars universe!! It's a shame he wasn't used to his full potentially on the big screen but at least he is in the comics, and animated shows. Best Jedi slayer ever! Not a Sith and no force powers and still kicksass!
George “I don’t want another Darth Vader”
Disney “let’s make a Death Vader E boy”
"We dont want to recreate darth vader"
"He's an echo of what Anakin is going to become"
GEORGE PLEASE.
But it does make sense. Grievous is a unique design compared to Vader, but at the same time he's a foreshadowing to Anakin's cyborg future.
Yes, he is an echo, not a recreation.
It's beyond me how is it possible to not understand what Lucas meant there...
And this is why there are people out there who cannot grasp the prequels and hate George, they are just dumb enough to misread a concept this simple.
General Grevious is 100% CGI. Anyone who says the Star Wars prequels have bad CGI are stupid, except for Episode 2, that had awful CGI.
3:47 - 3:57 Fake laughter
😂