Shimano tourney might not have all the latest tech. But i managed to cycle 4500km in 45 days on my vacation on my road bike with shimano tourney. With almost no problems
Maybe on flat roads ? I never face a problem on tourney riding on a flat , low gradient road. But as soon as there are ups and downs , tourney starts skipping gears, makes loud noises. It kinda sucks.
Funny thing, but there is an earlier video by this guy on the subject of Tourney and Claris, where he says that even the cheap mechs by Shimano, while not so refined, are well made and reliable, and that he personally rode with Tourney rear mechs. for years with no trouble. In my opinion there is too much 'mech' snobbery about, which is fine if you can afford it. I recently had quite a nice Vitus road bike stolen on which I had done about 12,000k on a Shimano 2300 set up - which I have often heard the purists sneer at - but which had performed faultlessly up to then and looked as if it was going to carry right on doing so.
Really good and thorough explanation. Entry level bikes aren't the greatest but they work and I think without them a lot of people wouldn't even get started cause they just aren't willing to spend over 500 dollars. People want to ride the bike much more than they would like understand it. And that's OK!
He is right, Tourney is good chice for new/occasional cyclists. It has been 4 months since i have owned Road Bike equipped with Tourney. Soon i will upgrade it. Not because it is so bad. Just because now i have gained more experience and ready to spend more money on something better. Comparing to what you pay Tourney is good choice and you can live with it since it shifts fairly smoothly and performs adequately.
Thanks for the video. Justifies my cannondale synapse claris build. Crankset, shifters, and derailleurs. With the money I saved I got used C2 handlebar and stem. Rides like a gem.
Tourney is a very budget/department store groupset, and Claris is the entry level road bike groupset. I’ve personally never had problems with tourney on my lower end hybrid bikes, and the Claris on my road bike works as well as it should be!
These bikes, these groupsets are sold in countries where people can't afford even paying for Claris, so that is why is important to cover all of the market needs and still produce the lower end groupsets.
@@supernoodles908 honestly all you really need is claris/sora for exercising and riding for fun if your into some competitive event 105 is all you need unless your a tour de france rider duraace is make no sense.
Ignorance is bliss. I'd rather not know about all this stuff and be happy with the tourney I can afford than crying that I don't have the budget to get claris or sora. 😂😂😂 Good video though, informative. Thanks!!
Tourney is absolutely fine, don't concern yourself. Sure it's bottom end, but Shimano bottom end components function perfectly well - a lot of this is just a form of snobbery.
to be honest if it's a lower tier crankset from Shimano i wouldn't fuss about it too much (for example a non series but not welded chainring). Shimano has a great history of making a really really good crankset for their lower price
The main different beetween claris and tourney, it's just the durability of it. You get more faster riding, you should upgrade from tourney to claris. But if you do riding bike just for fun, tourney is quiet enough..
I'm on a Tsw tr30 budget bike, fully tourney set and i don't see these problems.. the bike is awesome, the gear change is accurate, I can easily put down 60km/h on it on road.. and I'm a beginner with very low cadence.. I think that all depends on how the gear is configurated and set up.. Sorry for the bad English.. Cheers from Brazil
When I was looking for my first road bike, the big thing that I was looking for was a Claris groupset. The only reason tourney exists is for people who don’t have a lot of money/people who don’t know what to look for.
Dear SickBiker: Shimano wants to offer cheap Shimano China parts. Tourney is cheap, Claris is higher price. Is a lot about the OEM market, where every cent counts. To ride to the bakery store and back Tourney is enough.
I work as a bicycle courier and there are other couriers who seem to think it is a good idea to have tourney level components on their bikes. Needless to say I have come across at least three workers who have broken their mechs while working
My first road bike 15 years ago had old Sora, which is probably equivalent to today's Tourney as both groupsets had thumbshifters to change down to smaller chainring or cassette. My road bikes now have Di2 and my gravel bikes have 105 and Tiagra. But I miss the old thumbshifters - they were great !
My Marin Fairfax 1 came with 7 speed Tourney. I removed it for 8 speed Acera and Alivio vintage parts. Friends said why use 10-20 year old parts? Cause the bike is smoother in shifting. And the crank is stiffer. Will survive a winter of riding. Tourney belongs on children bikes.
I'm reviving my 30 years old road bike that was hanging on the wall for the last 20 years. It's 2x7 Exage 300 with down tube shifters, the hub won't take more than 7 speed cassette and I'm not building a new wheel. The Tourney brifters are perfect for it, I won't be spending more.
Problem could be some claris bikes have a worse frame (not double butted) and quick release instead of thru axles or missing the carbon fork. The sora version have all this things. It depends on what is the cheapest model. If claris is the cheapest (cube attain) then you lose some good features of the higher models. If tourney (like here Scott) is the cheapest, then claris model often get this features. Good video.
especially the nicer looking road bikes they show in this video..... I have never ever seen, in my 40 years, a claris or tourney equipped nice road bike being ridden (or raced) by a rider with good cycling clothes like this guy shown...
@@stevetaylor2233 I have a Tourney equipped road bike and wear all the road clothing, so what's your point? Incidentally the Tourney set up works flawlessly. Much of this group set discussion is based on a sort of snobbery.
I've gone 3000 miles on my Claris groupset I've done a lot of aggressive riding and it does extremely well still shifts like band new just don't crash your bike that's the number one way to destroy your derailers
I am planning to buy Fuji Sportif 2.3 road endurance bike which comes with Claris R2000 shifters, front and rear derailleurs. Hence, I was interested in what is your maintenance regime for Claris group set?
I am fine with Tourney on a mtb.. I got a bike during pandemic and I ride going to work through Woods and on Asphalt as well... It's a perfect solution for that... If you wanna do more with biking it's not... 😉
Some of the lower end frames don't have great alignment especially those from Bangladesh, Cambodia and to a degree Indonesia so I wonder if actually the old style square taper brackets are better for those, also many Claris bikes still come with square taper bottom brackets as they use a third party crankset. I'm happy with square taper on a budget bike but definitely feel Claris overall is a huge jump above Tourney. Tourney sounds like its suitable for touring but it certainly isn't I've actually read Claris as the recommended groupset for touring bikes as not only is it strong with very dependable shifting but whatever country you ride in parts are always available. In rich countries its close to bottom of the range but in poorer countries its often nearer the top of the range but parts should be available. For reliability of shifting I think Claris is one of the best but then it only has to shift between 8 cogs so the tolerances are huge compared to a 12 speed cassette. Claris probably provides the best bang per buck of any road groupset and definitely the entry point for a great road bike with tourney being false economy. I do think tourney is lower weight though, many tourney bikes have basic freewheels with threaded rear hubs and weak plastic derailleurs its no surprise to me that a tourney bike can be lighter than Claris. Claris has the much stronger freehub with much cleaner shifting. It's also worth pointing out that in my opinion the reason tourney is harder to dial in for shifting is not the tapered bottom bracket it's the wobble caused by a freewheel and threaded hub that is where the wobble is, they are low end components that are not precision made and are antiquated technology. Many people still like and even prefer square tapered bottom brackets and they come on some pretty competent entry level mountain bikes. Also again if you were touring you would go square taper as its common everywhere.
My bike came with Tourney 8-speed parts (not sure how that works but ok) and I've been slowly upgrading everything to Claris. The tourney parts just haven't really held up to the abuse of bike commuting.
Where will you find BB30 in a bike of that price point lol. Hollowtech II is different if that's what you're thinking about, and it is completely silent. Sure it makes noise after like 15000km but most products are replaced by that time.
It depends on the biker on how he adjust on the situation of his bike.. Biker is a biker 😊💪💪💪💯 im one of the poor people who can only buy a budget bike like tourney.. But im proud to say that im one of the fastest biker in my group.. It depends on the biker men..
Czesc! I have Claris 12/25 and I was wondering if is adviseable to upgrade it to 11/28 . Also, I think it gets you stuck with 8 speeds innit? Dzieki wielkie!
Thank you so much! Im planning on upgrading my Tourney. Should I upgrade to Claris or Sora or Tiagra? I will get a 105 one day, but right now I want an intermediary gear and them jump to 105 I need to change the TSI, crankset, cassete, rear derailleur and front anyway haha (butying from aliexpress) 2:00 Also I guess you meant Tourney, not tiagra?
That was enlightening...😗 You must be a spokesperson for Claris. You've convinced me into switching from my "cheap and low quality Tourney" 🥺to this....and now I have to spend more $$$😩..
Coming from Tiagra and 105 down to a Claris...the rear derailer costs $24, the entire front drive train is $44, the front derailer is ~$20. The only problem I have with Claris is that adjusting the front derailer is extremely difficult. I might also be doing it wrong, but it has no screw microadjistemtns.
@@langhamp8912 not sure what happened to your front derailleur, but i had no issues adjusting mine, took all about 5 mins or less. It's extremely easy coming from tried to used mtb front derailleur...
I personally have a tourney tx800 series rear derailleur and the resistance is like the claris you showed in the video it is nowhere near as bad as the tourney you showd on video, it is like the claris.
I was give a a budget roadie for nothing it has an aluminium frame and carbon forks with a rear torney derailleur ,it had been left outside all winter so I changed all rusty bolts etc changed bottom bracket ,then found a torney crank and front derailleur cheap brand new on fleabay and now it look sleak all black frame and gear set and rides well total cost all in 50 pound bargain.
For me, if you ride the bike for the purpose of exercise, and not for "performance" or to be an athlete, tourney is just fine. You can still enjoy your ride. I am using a Shimano Tourney for my RB, and some Shimano Non-Series for my mountain bike. And both works well, I average a 22 kph ride, and shifts gear once every 30 minutes (!_!). . . but yeah, if you want performance, then you should start with Claris
Agree. Have been using tourney roto shifters for the past 12 years and easily do around 25 kmph. Tourney might not be good for "performance", but for regular exercise riding, they are absolutely fine.
Thank you so much for this video!!! I hope to buy my first road bike soon (Im not using a hand me down crap...) and I really appreciate this information. What I take out of this video is that I do not need a Shimano Sora and that Claris will be fine for me.
Claris a good group. Almost affordable, solid, and performs well. Then again, tourney a070/3 is pretty decent on a budget as well. Nothing flashy, and great for causal rides.
Hi. do you know to make as straight as possible the crankset to the spindle ?i got what i thought was Claris but it came with the old square spindle and i notice that when i pedal it move a litlle to the direction where im puting the strenght. any tip to avoid this? thanks a lot
sora can hold 11-36 and claris can hold 11-32, i have claris and think this is a big diference, i use compact, so my lightest gear is 34-32 and with sora it could be 34-36, is more then 10% lighter in the steppest climbs
Now I understand the rank of road bike groupset. What about the rank of MTB's or gravel? I think tourney is served at the base of both those two gen of bike. Where is deore sitting at? Mid?
Absolutely with you that Tourney shouldn't be made anymore. It's well overdue for a refresh to get dual control levers. A couple of stronger springs in the derailleurs and a hollowtech crank option would make it a much more appealing groupset.
I recently had an expensive road bike stolen and for various reasons had to economise severely on it's replacement. I bought - wait for it - a Decathlon BTwin Triban 100, pretty well the cheapest road bike I could find. This uses a Tourney rear derailleur and I can say, that after 1200 km, it has been absolutely fine - never missed a change and never shed the chain. The bike, in fact, surprised me greatly and I have to say rides as well, maybe even better, than the one I lost. This is probably due to the frame, which is excellent, being the same one as is used on their more expensive models. I got the weight of the bike down to 10.3kg by replacing the supplied gravel type tyres with road tyres and overall I am very pleased with my purchase. Another thing which initially concerned me - gear snobs please note - the changer is a Shimano AO50 palm shifter, which I thought would be a real pain after years of using brifters. Well, guess what, I soon got used to it - although a bit clumsy it's only akin to using the once universal down tube shifters - and to my amazement I find I actually now prefer it to brifters, because you can run up or down through the gears much more quickly. No doubt this comment will be widely derided but I am just speaking as I find. Obviously 'horses for courses' applies here - as an octogenarian my rides are not as fast and lumpy as they used to be - so you probably wouldn't race on this machine but it is no slouch if pushed - and the Tourney is fine.
@@edwardkerrigan5356 Tourney ha worked fine for me too. My last bike's gearshift finally really started to wear out after some 10 year of use. I'm no professional, but I had been pushing quite hard that bike nevertheless. So I really can't imagine other types of more professional solutions to be much more durable. Got a new bike with slightly uprated components with a tourney too an after two years I haven't had problems yet.
I don't know man, you guys had some of the hardiest gearing I've ever seen. My LBS has a early 60s road bike, 1x3 drive train, 50tooth up front and a 11-13-15 rear. Goddamn that's some "easy" hill climbing gears. LOL
I remember climbing the tumble in South Wales in the late 70s on a 42×25 I can't believe today how I got up it. tToday's bikes even the cheapest are excellent I think compared to what we had.
@@juliansiefert2330 in my case, I have short cage Tiagra derailleur on a 11-32 tooth cassette and the pulley is rubbing to the cassette whenever I shift the gear to 32 tooth on my cassette.
The main pivot shaft on the Tourny TX of my new Rock hopper has a lot of play in it. The bike is 1 month old and has done about 300 kms on trails. IMO that derailleur is just junk and shouldn't even be on the bike. Id happily have paid more for one fit for purpose because its not the cost of the better derailleur that is the issue, its the cost of the grief that goes with buying junk. Once this lock down is over first job is to get a better one
I don't know where all this nonsense about Tourney comes from - even bottom end Shimano works accurately, it just has fewer gears and is a bit heavier than the next gears up - and even then we are only talking about grams. I have a road bike equipped with a Tourney rear derailleur and have just reached 5,500km and it has behaved flawlessly. It changes perfectly and I have not even once had to adjust the indexing.
A mechanical one, but it can. The cable pull levers are compatible with cable disc brakes. But this is also the case for Tourney A 070 levers, and if you use Tourney TX 505 hubs you even get a freehub body system and you get centerlock rotors with the 505 and 6 bolt rotors with 506 hubs
No, it just mean Sora may be slightly lighter, with more expensive materials and with more technologies formerly used by more expensive groupsets. Claris is fine too, as long as you don't intend to race with it seriously
They offer different Tourney lineups, TZ with 7 speed, TX with 8 speed and A 070 (7 speed) for road use (especially road type shifters/brake levers). The Tourney derailleurs are made with little stiffness, but the Tourney road type levers/shifters can also be used with better 8 speed derailleurs (every 8/9 speed derailleur can be used for 7 speed too). You could also combine the Tourney levers with a TRP Spyre disc brake. The Tourney TX 505 hubs offer 8 speed freehub bodies (which can also be used for 7 speed with 8 speed cassettes with one non used cog) with center lock disc rotors
Tourney is Shimano's bottom barrel all-purpose group set. There are road bikes, MTB, cruisers and all sorts of bikes. It serves a purpose but not good at anything.
The way to stop your derailleur rubbing is to manually widen it with a pair of pliers, just jam the pliers in the cage and pull apart so that the cage widens, i only get rubbing on low front and large at the back and you shouldn't be running those gears anyway.
The way to stop your derailleur is to operate in the gears it was designed for. This is a disadvantage of 3x drivetrains especially, but you should never widen your derailleur. It ruins shifting performance.
@@daa2622 on square taper chainset where it tends to rub because of flex widening the derailleur worked in stopping chain rub, it had no effect on the shifting
Sorry, but you are wrong. I have a Tourney equipped road bike, and the rear derailleur works flawlessly. I have done 5,500 km to date and have never even once had to adjust the indexing.
I disagree with you there tourney is a good groupset for a good price tag my 500 dollar Cannondale trail 8 has a tourney tz rear mech its used to meet a price point not a performance point
As an anecdote years back (around 2009 maybe) had a cheap MTB with a Tourney RD that for some reason jumped to the spokes and it disintegrated leaving me stranded on the trail. Probably new Models do not have this issue
Depends on the bike itself, i have a Kross with tourney a 070, good enough for me but the frame plays a big part, my Kross has a carbon fork and a light frame, also relaxed geometry, you should be more concerned about the fit and feel of the bike rather than the groupset in my opinion because all of them will shift alright if you set them up properly
Shimano 105 has been my go to group set for years from 9 to 10 then 11 speed, still loving the 5800. None the less I have found Sora to be a really solid option over the years for my winter bikes. For some reason Tiagra 10 speed never worked satisfactorily for me. I think it was 5700 series, and no matter what the indexing always was off.
yeah, my 5800 works flawless. It shifts so precise, and I sometimes don't even feel the shifting performance different than the R7000 hydraulic groupo.
Sora today uses a lot of stuff formerly used for more expensive groupsets. It's like Deore, which uses now materials and technology formerly used by XT
Yes, the distance between the cogs are the same with 7 and 8 speed cassettes. You can use every Shimano 7 and 8/9 speed rear derailleur, no matter if Claris, or something like Deore made from Aluminium
Josh Viloria Actually, you CAN through 9-speed in Shimano. The Trek 520, for instance, uses Sora shifters and Alivio mechs. But 10-speed and up uses a different cable pull.
@@peterbaskind9872 well, thank you for that :) i only plan to go up to 9 speed with sora shifters and i was planning to use 11-40t cogs because here in my area in the Philippines, has a lot of climbs
@@bencumby9132 after alot of research and find a deal in aliexpress i go for 105 with an ultegra cassette to upgrade my tourney, greetings from state of México
Shimano tourney might not have all the latest tech. But i managed to cycle 4500km in 45 days on my vacation on my road bike with shimano tourney. With almost no problems
Maybe on flat roads ? I never face a problem on tourney riding on a flat , low gradient road. But as soon as there are ups and downs , tourney starts skipping gears, makes loud noises. It kinda sucks.
My tourney broke after 1 crash I’m soo godamn pisssed
rocking 10 years here with tourney!
No lie please ?
@@avhirupc after 2 years on a tourney i have finally made peace with the skipping and noises👍🏼
Love that you consistently show the value of the lower group sets and don’t just tell people that if you can’t get at least 105 you wasted your time.
Funny thing, but there is an earlier video by this guy on the subject of Tourney and Claris, where he says that even the cheap mechs by Shimano, while not so refined, are well made and reliable, and that he personally rode with Tourney rear mechs. for years with no trouble. In my opinion there is too much 'mech' snobbery about, which is fine if you can afford it. I recently had quite a nice Vitus road bike stolen on which I had done about 12,000k on a Shimano 2300 set up - which I have often heard the purists sneer at - but which had performed faultlessly up to then and looked as if it was going to carry right on doing so.
Really good and thorough explanation. Entry level bikes aren't the greatest but they work and I think without them a lot of people wouldn't even get started cause they just aren't willing to spend over 500 dollars. People want to ride the bike much more than they would like understand it. And that's OK!
I use tourney. Haven't had any problems with it yet.
He is right, Tourney is good chice for new/occasional cyclists.
It has been 4 months since i have owned Road Bike equipped with Tourney. Soon i will upgrade it. Not because it is so bad. Just because now i have gained more experience and ready to spend more money on something better. Comparing to what you pay Tourney is good choice and you can live with it since it shifts fairly smoothly and performs adequately.
Thanks for the video. Justifies my cannondale synapse claris build. Crankset, shifters, and derailleurs. With the money I saved I got used C2 handlebar and stem. Rides like a gem.
Tourney is a very budget/department store groupset, and Claris is the entry level road bike groupset. I’ve personally never had problems with tourney on my lower end hybrid bikes, and the Claris on my road bike works as well as it should be!
These bikes, these groupsets are sold in countries where people can't afford even paying for Claris, so that is why is important to cover all of the market needs and still produce the lower end groupsets.
I make a reasonable wage as an architects but I'm not going to waste my money of over priced bike parts. Claris for me
@@supernoodles908 honestly all you really need is claris/sora for exercising and riding for fun if your into some competitive event 105 is all you need unless your a tour de france rider duraace is make no sense.
@@patthonsirilim5739 100% agree
Ignorance is bliss.
I'd rather not know about all this stuff and be happy with the tourney I can afford than crying that I don't have the budget to get claris or sora. 😂😂😂
Good video though, informative. Thanks!!
Just think, back in the day they did it with probably far worse components, down tube friction shifting and such.
Tourney is absolutely fine, don't concern yourself. Sure it's bottom end, but Shimano bottom end components function perfectly well - a lot of this is just a form of snobbery.
to be honest if it's a lower tier crankset from Shimano i wouldn't fuss about it too much (for example a non series but not welded chainring). Shimano has a great history of making a really really good crankset for their lower price
The main different beetween claris and tourney, it's just the durability of it. You get more faster riding, you should upgrade from tourney to claris. But if you do riding bike just for fun, tourney is quiet enough..
I'm on a Tsw tr30 budget bike, fully tourney set and i don't see these problems.. the bike is awesome, the gear change is accurate, I can easily put down 60km/h on it on road.. and I'm a beginner with very low cadence..
I think that all depends on how the gear is configurated and set up..
Sorry for the bad English..
Cheers from Brazil
Shimano Tourney is not that bad, it's functional quality. A better comparison for better quality 7-speed groupset is Microshift.
And in 2022 you've got a tourney road bike costing more than 1000 €... Then we ask why people buy Chinese bikes...
I have good experience with Tourney, I have some Claris items in stock to replace when Tourney breaks, but so far it is working fine.
When I was looking for my first road bike, the big thing that I was looking for was a Claris groupset. The only reason tourney exists is for people who don’t have a lot of money/people who don’t know what to look for.
The reason why there is a market for these system because some people doesn’t have as much money as you.
or if you need a bike to go to work daily for example, and you have to leave it outside
Claris is very cheap bro
Thanks for this video. I think a lot of people use cheap bicycles but on the web you can find mostly reviews about thousand dollars models
Dear SickBiker: Shimano wants to offer cheap Shimano China parts. Tourney is cheap, Claris is higher price. Is a lot about the OEM market, where every cent counts. To ride to the bakery store and back Tourney is enough.
I work as a bicycle courier and there are other couriers who seem to think it is a good idea to have tourney level components on their bikes. Needless to say I have come across at least three workers who have broken their mechs while working
My first road bike 15 years ago had old Sora, which is probably equivalent to today's Tourney as both groupsets had thumbshifters to change down to smaller chainring or cassette. My road bikes now have Di2 and my gravel bikes have 105 and Tiagra. But I miss the old thumbshifters - they were great !
Sorry, I have tourney 26 years (TY20) and it still working.
Only legends know*shimano tourneys* service
My Marin Fairfax 1 came with 7 speed Tourney. I removed it for 8 speed Acera and Alivio vintage parts. Friends said why use 10-20 year old parts? Cause the bike is smoother in shifting. And the crank is stiffer. Will survive a winter of riding. Tourney belongs on children bikes.
Joe N I agree
i totally agree with you
Keep in mind, over time springs will get stretched and get loose, especially your 20yrs old acera...updated them when possible...
I'm reviving my 30 years old road bike that was hanging on the wall for the last 20 years. It's 2x7 Exage 300 with down tube shifters, the hub won't take more than 7 speed cassette and I'm not building a new wheel. The Tourney brifters are perfect for it, I won't be spending more.
Thank you for the review of Claris, planning to own a road bike aside from my MTB
Problem could be some claris bikes have a worse frame (not double butted) and quick release instead of thru axles or missing the carbon fork. The sora version have all this things. It depends on what is the cheapest model. If claris is the cheapest (cube attain) then you lose some good features of the higher models. If tourney (like here Scott) is the cheapest, then claris model often get this features. Good video.
Absolutely true
I don't think I've ever seen a road bike with a full Tourney setup
especially the nicer looking road bikes they show in this video..... I have never ever seen, in my 40 years, a claris or tourney equipped nice road bike being ridden (or raced) by a rider with good cycling clothes like this guy shown...
There is no brakes for tourney so there is no full tourney setup
There are in the developing countries. Cheapest road bikes dont even come with STI or integrated shifters.
In turkey even bikes are very expensive. We have full tourney set bikes except brakes as you know tourney set has no brake.
@@stevetaylor2233 I have a Tourney equipped road bike and wear all the road clothing, so what's your point? Incidentally the Tourney set up works flawlessly. Much of this group set discussion is based on a sort of snobbery.
I've gone 3000 miles on my Claris groupset I've done a lot of aggressive riding and it does extremely well still shifts like band new just don't crash your bike that's the number one way to destroy your derailers
I am planning to buy Fuji Sportif 2.3 road endurance bike which comes with Claris R2000 shifters, front and rear derailleurs. Hence, I was interested in what is your maintenance regime for Claris group set?
What I read from the official Shimano website, Tourney was not designed for performance, it was created for daily use like a commuter bike.
Because Tourney was design to recreation usage , for example for road bike that Tourney here will be work fine but in MTB isn't.
I am fine with Tourney on a mtb.. I got a bike during pandemic and I ride going to work through Woods and on Asphalt as well... It's a perfect solution for that... If you wanna do more with biking it's not... 😉
Some of the lower end frames don't have great alignment especially those from Bangladesh, Cambodia and to a degree Indonesia so I wonder if actually the old style square taper brackets are better for those, also many Claris bikes still come with square taper bottom brackets as they use a third party crankset. I'm happy with square taper on a budget bike but definitely feel Claris overall is a huge jump above Tourney. Tourney sounds like its suitable for touring but it certainly isn't I've actually read Claris as the recommended groupset for touring bikes as not only is it strong with very dependable shifting but whatever country you ride in parts are always available. In rich countries its close to bottom of the range but in poorer countries its often nearer the top of the range but parts should be available. For reliability of shifting I think Claris is one of the best but then it only has to shift between 8 cogs so the tolerances are huge compared to a 12 speed cassette. Claris probably provides the best bang per buck of any road groupset and definitely the entry point for a great road bike with tourney being false economy. I do think tourney is lower weight though, many tourney bikes have basic freewheels with threaded rear hubs and weak plastic derailleurs its no surprise to me that a tourney bike can be lighter than Claris. Claris has the much stronger freehub with much cleaner shifting.
It's also worth pointing out that in my opinion the reason tourney is harder to dial in for shifting is not the tapered bottom bracket it's the wobble caused by a freewheel and threaded hub that is where the wobble is, they are low end components that are not precision made and are antiquated technology. Many people still like and even prefer square tapered bottom brackets and they come on some pretty competent entry level mountain bikes. Also again if you were touring you would go square taper as its common everywhere.
Thanks for the good technical detail!
My bike came with Tourney 8-speed parts (not sure how that works but ok) and I've been slowly upgrading everything to Claris. The tourney parts just haven't really held up to the abuse of bike commuting.
Haven't you heard about bb30 bearings knock noise when pedaling? Square-type BBs are more reliable in the low-end price range.
Where will you find BB30 in a bike of that price point lol. Hollowtech II is different if that's what you're thinking about, and it is completely silent. Sure it makes noise after like 15000km but most products are replaced by that time.
It depends on the biker on how he adjust on the situation of his bike.. Biker is a biker 😊💪💪💪💯 im one of the poor people who can only buy a budget bike like tourney.. But im proud to say that im one of the fastest biker in my group.. It depends on the biker men..
Speed is not the discussion here but the accuracy of shifting 🙄
@@cspt2869 HAHAHAHA TRUE
He's talking about the performance of the drivetrain
Cope harder
@@cspt2869 In that case Tourney is fine - in 5,500km on Tourney It has behaved flawlessly, I haven't even had to adjust the indexing once.
Really appreciate your effort thanks bro
Czesc! I have Claris 12/25 and I was wondering if is adviseable to upgrade it to 11/28 . Also, I think it gets you stuck with 8 speeds innit?
Dzieki wielkie!
wow. Great explanation of difference between entry level and low-budget compenents
Strongly recommend Campagnolo super record EPS
Do u realize what the price difference is?
@@jm_sc it's a joke..
Thank you so much!
Im planning on upgrading my Tourney.
Should I upgrade to Claris or Sora or Tiagra?
I will get a 105 one day, but right now I want an intermediary gear and them jump to 105
I need to change the TSI, crankset, cassete, rear derailleur and front anyway haha
(butying from aliexpress)
2:00 Also I guess you meant Tourney, not tiagra?
Claris or Tiagra it's both good but if you can upgrade to 105 go with it 👍
My claris equipped bike came with threaded square tapped bb but I'm upgrading to the hollow tech that it's supposed to have
Hollow tech is nice no more grinding with my chain
Used to have a 2013 Giant Revel with shimano tourney, sold it with around 6000 miles last year.
Tourney 1x 6 or 7 speed is perfect for folding bike or minivelo.
That was enlightening...😗 You must be a spokesperson for Claris. You've convinced me into switching from my "cheap and low quality Tourney" 🥺to this....and now I have to spend more $$$😩..
Im dont have money for claris but I'm wondering that how do you shift.U dont have that thing below that brakes dont you ?
How about compatibility. Can we still use Claris STI Shifters despite only having an 7 speed cassete and tourney RD.
Yes, 8 speed shifters can be used with 7 speed cassettes, adjusting them to work together is reasonably simple.
I mean its just a few bucks difference so it is worth getting the claris with lots of performances upgrades.
Price/Performance wise it is worth it
Coming from Tiagra and 105 down to a Claris...the rear derailer costs $24, the entire front drive train is $44, the front derailer is ~$20.
The only problem I have with Claris is that adjusting the front derailer is extremely difficult. I might also be doing it wrong, but it has no screw microadjistemtns.
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@@langhamp8912 not sure what happened to your front derailleur, but i had no issues adjusting mine, took all about 5 mins or less. It's extremely easy coming from tried to used mtb front derailleur...
I personally have a tourney tx800 series rear derailleur and the resistance is like the claris you showed in the video it is nowhere near as bad as the tourney you showd on video, it is like the claris.
I was give a a budget roadie for nothing it has an aluminium frame and carbon forks with a rear torney derailleur ,it had been left outside all winter so I changed all rusty bolts etc changed bottom bracket ,then found a torney crank and front derailleur cheap brand new on fleabay and now it look sleak all black frame and gear set and rides well total cost all in 50 pound bargain.
For me, if you ride the bike for the purpose of exercise, and not for "performance" or to be an athlete, tourney is just fine. You can still enjoy your ride.
I am using a Shimano Tourney for my RB, and some Shimano Non-Series for my mountain bike. And both works well, I average a 22 kph ride, and shifts gear once every 30 minutes (!_!). . . but yeah, if you want performance, then you should start with Claris
Agree.
Have been using tourney roto shifters for the past 12 years and easily do around 25 kmph.
Tourney might not be good for "performance", but for regular exercise riding, they are absolutely fine.
I find Tourney drivetrain on my kids' 20" and 24" bikes.
What makes 105 rear mech better than claris
Thank you so much for this video!!!
I hope to buy my first road bike soon (Im not using a hand me down crap...) and I really appreciate this information. What I take out of this video is that I do not need a Shimano Sora and that Claris will be fine for me.
Claris a good group. Almost affordable, solid, and performs well. Then again, tourney a070/3 is pretty decent on a budget as well. Nothing flashy, and great for causal rides.
So will Tourney if that is what's on the bike.
Because people don't have the money or not willing to pay just as much as you do...
Claris is really cheap bro
@@InfernoVolatil not for everyone ... either a whole bike or groupset.
@@dummydami9892 but the price difference is not worth it
@@dummydami9892 I'd wait and save up. Buying the lowest in a product line is never good. It'll end costing you more money in the long run
@@supernoodles908 Not necessarily. Tourney is absolutely fine.
Hi. do you know to make as straight as possible the crankset to the spindle ?i got what i thought was Claris but it came with the old square spindle and i notice that when i pedal it move a litlle to the direction where im puting the strenght. any tip to avoid this? thanks a lot
really well explained. thanks
sora can hold 11-36 and claris can hold 11-32, i have claris and think this is a big diference, i use compact, so my lightest gear is 34-32 and with sora it could be 34-36, is more then 10% lighter in the steppest climbs
You can simply use a Deore 8 speed derailleur (like the 592), it's not a road bike specific derailleur but it can shift 11/36
lol may claris old model can hold 53 front and 34 rear
@@marksuba3404 True. I am planning to buy Fuji Sportif 2.3 bike which comes with Claris group set. It has a 8-speed 11-34T cassette.
@@sandythemonk nice it goods for climbing too
What is the difference of claris and tourney on gears? Is it the same 2/8 ??
Tourney only 7gears
@@Angie-dh5gr there is 3 types of tourney right?
Now I understand the rank of road bike groupset. What about the rank of MTB's or gravel? I think tourney is served at the base of both those two gen of bike.
Where is deore sitting at? Mid?
About tiagra
Absolutely with you that Tourney shouldn't be made anymore. It's well overdue for a refresh to get dual control levers. A couple of stronger springs in the derailleurs and a hollowtech crank option would make it a much more appealing groupset.
Shimano tourney is better then Claris the tourney groupset is pretty good for the price
I recently had an expensive road bike stolen and for various reasons had to economise severely on it's replacement. I bought - wait for it - a Decathlon BTwin Triban 100, pretty well the cheapest road bike I could find. This uses a Tourney rear derailleur and I can say, that after 1200 km, it has been absolutely fine - never missed a change and never shed the chain. The bike, in fact, surprised me greatly and I have to say rides as well, maybe even better, than the one I lost. This is probably due to the frame, which is excellent, being the same one as is used on their more expensive models. I got the weight of the bike down to 10.3kg by replacing the supplied gravel type tyres with road tyres and overall I am very pleased with my purchase. Another thing which initially concerned me - gear snobs please note - the changer is a Shimano AO50 palm shifter, which I thought would be a real pain after years of using brifters. Well, guess what, I soon got used to it - although a bit clumsy it's only akin to using the once universal down tube shifters - and to my amazement I find I actually now prefer it to brifters, because you can run up or down through the gears much more quickly. No doubt this comment will be widely derided but I am just speaking as I find. Obviously 'horses for courses' applies here - as an octogenarian my rides are not as fast and lumpy as they used to be - so you probably wouldn't race on this machine but it is no slouch if pushed - and the Tourney is fine.
@@edwardkerrigan5356 Tourney ha worked fine for me too. My last bike's gearshift finally really started to wear out after some 10 year of use. I'm no professional, but I had been pushing quite hard that bike nevertheless. So I really can't imagine other types of more professional solutions to be much more durable. Got a new bike with slightly uprated components with a tourney too an after two years I haven't had problems yet.
How did we ever get through 50s n 60s on our old 3sp bikes
I don't know man, you guys had some of the hardiest gearing I've ever seen. My LBS has a early 60s road bike, 1x3 drive train, 50tooth up front and a 11-13-15 rear. Goddamn that's some "easy" hill climbing gears. LOL
I remember climbing the tumble in South Wales in the late 70s on a 42×25 I can't believe today how I got up it. tToday's bikes even the cheapest are excellent I think compared to what we had.
Can i use Shimano Claris RD with Shimano Acera 8spd Cassette 11-30tt?
Yes you can, but if you have the small cage version you should have RD Hanger Extension
@@jeffrey2839 From experience, you don't need hanger extension, I have claris derailleur on a 11-32 tooth cassette.
@@juliansiefert2330 in my case, I have short cage Tiagra derailleur on a 11-32 tooth cassette and the pulley is rubbing to the cassette whenever I shift the gear to 32 tooth on my cassette.
Isn't the only difference between Claris,Sora and Tiagra the number of gears ?
And the weight
And available disc and hydraulic brakes...
And the price
And a few grams of weight - only a consideration for real weight weenies, though.
Can you install a Claris RD on a Microshift 7-speed shifters?
Pretty sure it might work but claris works with 8v, I guess you just wont be able to use that last cog
The main pivot shaft on the Tourny TX of my new Rock hopper has a lot of play in it.
The bike is 1 month old and has done about 300 kms on trails.
IMO that derailleur is just junk and shouldn't even be on the bike.
Id happily have paid more for one fit for purpose because its not the cost of the better derailleur that is the issue, its the cost of the grief that goes with buying junk.
Once this lock down is over first job is to get a better one
I don't know where all this nonsense about Tourney comes from - even bottom end Shimano works accurately, it just has fewer gears and is a bit heavier than the next gears up - and even then we are only talking about grams. I have a road bike equipped with a Tourney rear derailleur and have just reached 5,500km and it has behaved flawlessly. It changes perfectly and I have not even once had to adjust the indexing.
my claris shifts like a dura ace somehow, even tho its more costly than tourney but it is worth the money
The best 8speed groupset is Microshift R8
I've had both and claris is leaps and bounds above tourney
They both suck.......
@@stevetaylor2233 what do you like then?
Tantiwa Hopak he/she probably likes knock off versions of shimano.
hi sir can shinamo claris use disc brake?
A mechanical one, but it can. The cable pull levers are compatible with cable disc brakes.
But this is also the case for Tourney A 070 levers, and if you use Tourney TX 505 hubs you even get a freehub body system and you get centerlock rotors with the 505 and 6 bolt rotors with 506 hubs
Can I use a shimano tourny shifter with a claris shifter?
Yah
so can we buy tourney Rd A070
But Sora is better than Claris, how about that? Does it mean that Claris is bad?
No, it just mean Sora may be slightly lighter, with more expensive materials and with more technologies formerly used by more expensive groupsets. Claris is fine too, as long as you don't intend to race with it seriously
clarish altus tourney
how about the Front Derailleur shifting ? Sora, Claris, which easier to shift ?
Sora.Ive been using it since early 2020.All fine but only needs some basic tuning every 5 months
@@ridernakalah that
what makes Sora nicer. Being able to shift Front Derailleur with only lightest touch is a big plus for Sora.
@@theosudarja i have no problem shifting the tourney a070 at all
@@mahmam3128 how does it compare to Sora
@@theosudarja the sora is better but the a070 does the job just fine if you're on a budget
My Tourney has only 7 speed :)
You forgot Shimano sante
Tourney RDs are designed for entry level mountain bikes...not road bikes
They offer different Tourney lineups, TZ with 7 speed, TX with 8 speed and A 070 (7 speed) for road use (especially road type shifters/brake levers).
The Tourney derailleurs are made with little stiffness, but the Tourney road type levers/shifters can also be used with better 8 speed derailleurs (every 8/9 speed derailleur can be used for 7 speed too). You could also combine the Tourney levers with a TRP Spyre disc brake. The Tourney TX 505 hubs offer 8 speed freehub bodies (which can also be used for 7 speed with 8 speed cassettes with one non used cog) with center lock disc rotors
That's not true, you've seen the tourney variants. There's a lot.
Shimano 6 to 10 speed road rd/shifters, and shimano 6 to 9 speed mtb/shifters, are all cross compatible with each other.
Tourney is Shimano's bottom barrel all-purpose group set. There are road bikes, MTB, cruisers and all sorts of bikes. It serves a purpose but not good at anything.
The way to stop your derailleur rubbing is to manually widen it with a pair of pliers, just jam the pliers in the cage and pull apart so that the cage widens, i only get rubbing on low front and large at the back and you shouldn't be running those gears anyway.
The way to stop your derailleur is to operate in the gears it was designed for. This is a disadvantage of 3x drivetrains especially, but you should never widen your derailleur. It ruins shifting performance.
@@daa2622 on square taper chainset where it tends to rub because of flex widening the derailleur worked in stopping chain rub, it had no effect on the shifting
touney its like made out of a tin can very soft gets easily dented, poor spring tension impossible to adjust accurately. So don't bother
And the damn phillips head screws
Sorry, but you are wrong. I have a Tourney equipped road bike, and the rear derailleur works flawlessly. I have done 5,500 km to date and have never even once had to adjust the indexing.
Great! Thanx
Thanks
Why am I watching this? I have a full 105 groupsez
durace here
@@omniyambot9876 Di2 here
Single speed here
Not even a bike 😂😂😂
😂😂😂 Tourney here
Nice man keep it upp
It's all about price.
I disagree with you there tourney is a good groupset for a good price tag my 500 dollar Cannondale trail 8 has a tourney tz rear mech its used to meet a price point not a performance point
As an anecdote years back (around 2009 maybe) had a cheap MTB with a Tourney RD that for some reason jumped to the spokes and it disintegrated leaving me stranded on the trail. Probably new Models do not have this issue
@@MegaXtc11 Obviously the limiter screw had not been adjusted properly - unlikely to be the fault of the derailleur per se.
I never had a racing/road bike and I’m about to buy my first one
I saw an offer for shimano tourney for around 350€ is that a good price or too cheap?
Depends on the bike itself, i have a Kross with tourney a 070, good enough for me but the frame plays a big part, my Kross has a carbon fork and a light frame, also relaxed geometry, you should be more concerned about the fit and feel of the bike rather than the groupset in my opinion because all of them will shift alright if you set them up properly
@@mahmam3128 ok thx man
Can you maybe get a triban for 350? They usually come with mocroshift
@@mahmam3128 no i already got a bike with claris and i love it!!
@@fakesharky3497 congrats
Shimano 105 has been my go to group set for years from 9 to 10 then 11 speed, still loving the 5800. None the less I have found Sora to be a really solid option over the years for my winter bikes. For some reason Tiagra 10 speed never worked satisfactorily for me. I think it was 5700 series, and no matter what the indexing always was off.
yeah, my 5800 works flawless. It shifts so precise, and I sometimes don't even feel the shifting performance different than the R7000 hydraulic groupo.
Sora today uses a lot of stuff formerly used for more expensive groupsets.
It's like Deore, which uses now materials and technology formerly used by XT
Recent Sora, when indexed and maintained properly, works just perfectly for me.
You didn’t mention Shimano SLX, Deore, etc
those are mtb.....................................................
nice vidio bro ty
2:10 tourney** on both
good!
There is no need to insult this guy, he is just trying to make money, good luck sick biker
Czy wolnobieg 7s będzie działać z tylną przerzutką Claris?
Yes, the distance between the cogs are the same with 7 and 8 speed cassettes. You can use every Shimano 7 and 8/9 speed rear derailleur, no matter if Claris, or something like Deore made from Aluminium
Can you put mtb derailleurs on a road bike?
No you can not
Josh Viloria Actually, you CAN through 9-speed in Shimano. The Trek 520, for instance, uses Sora shifters and Alivio mechs. But 10-speed and up uses a different cable pull.
@@peterbaskind9872 well, thank you for that :) i only plan to go up to 9 speed with sora shifters and i was planning to use 11-40t cogs because here in my area in the Philippines, has a lot of climbs
Yes you can
Josh Viloria Make sure your mech has enough range.
9-speed Deore would also be a good choice. It’s nearly bulletproof.
I had a mtb with Tourney groupset, the cycling experience was dreadful
Yeah the tourney is NOT a MTB groupset
But Claris is very expensive 😒
Absolutely, true
@Centaz Gaming where? Show me please 👍
@Centaz Gaming . R u sure only 20 dollar up than tourney ?
@Centaz Gaming but where? Here in Europe the set cost at least 200 euro.
I chose Tourney ( Speedster 50 )because it fits in my budget. Claris is 20 thousand rupees more expensive ( Speedster 40 ).
sora its cheaper in my country so i guess upgrade
Where do you live? I'm in North Carolina, USA. A topic on where all of us bike enthusiasts are from would be more interesting than this video.
@@bencumby9132 after alot of research and find a deal in aliexpress i go for 105 with an ultegra cassette to upgrade my tourney, greetings from state of México
Tourney is normally found on road or entry mtb
Naw box one is better