In that case if you've checked XTR you would probably say that this is for the lifetime part (and if not raced, probably is..). If you want to know, yes ... there is a difference, slight but it exist and no kind of trickery-magic can reverse ones approach to XTR as soon as you have privilege to test them thoroughly. BTW Shimano is way cheaper in EU than SRAM :/ sorry.
I’ve worked in high end shops installing the fanciest of stuff, but never did I get more excited than when Shimano would release a new bargain bin group set. It’s always amazing to see how much old school high tech can be squeezed into a sub-$40 derailleur.
Very happy Acera user here 😊 have one on my cross check running 10 speed, wide range double. Cost £15 ( UK). Now I feel vindicated, PLP seal of approval 😊
I'm another happy Acera user in the US. Both the front and rear derailleurs on my 1999 MTB are the original Acera s that came with it. After 25 years, they're STILL doing the job! Why would I change?
With all my cheap bike I never had a single problem regarding shifting. This Acera/Alivio drivetrains works so reliably. My guess for them to have a bad reputation might be because all the beginner users who buy entry level components and don't know how to operate or maintain the bike correctly.
@@Glebaka Talking from my experience Alivio RD-M3100-SGS 9 speed and Acera RD-M360-L/S are perfectly serviceable and they cheaper not because of the "low quality materials" they are made of steel!!! The pricing as everything high performance is about the weight. My main bike has a complete 105 groupset and I have been impressed by the cheaper offerings for what they are.
@@Glebaka Yes you are correct, in the ones I mentioned it is the same, to clean them I just put the derailleur inside a container with degreaser and shake it until all the gunk is disolved. then proceed to oil everything back. Now it you are losing spring tension that's a different story and I can agree with you. But if you can get 2 years of daily commute for a 25 dollars piece I call it a win.
For many years, mountain bikers rode derailleurs without clutches and nobody complained about dropped chains. People sure do ride harder today than they did before clutches came out, but I think for most people a clutch is only needed because we've gone 1x.
My current MTB is a 1x9 with no clutch (MicroShift Advent) and with a narrow-wide chainring on it, I’ve yet to have any dropped chains on that. I could see it happening if I was doing chunky stuff constantly, but even then, it’d have to be a pretty big hit and in a pretty small gear to have that be an issue, IMO. Clutched derailleurs probably make a lot more sense when you’ve got wider range cassettes _and_ hitting chunky drops in the fast gears, but yeah, a lot of the times I see people saying “oh no clutch, that’s bad” it’s on bikes that are perfectly fine as-is.
I dropped a chain with my 2x grx setup(w/ forgetting the clutch off) the other day going down some steps on my gravel bike. With it on, never was an issue.
people were running larger chainrings, smaller cassettes, AND chainguides. Nobody runs chainguides anymore, partly because of clutches, partly because of narrow wide rings, and partly because it's very hard to accomodate especially wide range cassettes.
It's great how you keep doing great research and keep coming up with ideas that make so much sense in this sale driven bicycle industry. Please do keep these videos coming.
Take a look at the microShift Acolyte derailleur as well. I've been running it on my hardtail and it's been bombproof. The cool thing with microShift is that 8-speed Acolyte, 9-speed Advent, 10-speed Advent X, and the new Sword groupsets all use the same cable pull and are mostly interchangeable. Shimano CUES before CUES existed!
Have you tried running an Acolyte with an Advent/Sword brifter? I've got 2 flat bar bikes with Acolytes and love them but looking to build a drop bar bikes with brifters
everything mtb shimano is compatible since 10x. you can combine a 10x 780 shifter with a 12x 8100 on a microshift 10x cassette and it works perfectly. to make it even more wierd..... sram uses the same ratio since 9x. you can put any of these components in the mix as well. "cues" is pure marketing-BS. btw: box also uses the same ratio......
I use a 10 speed Zee RD with 11-36 and 40t narrow wide up front. The narrow wide is mounted to a double with a 26t granny gear and front derailleur. 90% is ridden on narrow wide but bailout there for steep stuff. Shifting up front takes a little finessing to go back up but works everytime.
Let's remember the clutch was introduced to improve chain retention without a front derailleur...I run a 1(38T) x 9(11-36) w/Altus on my commuter/run-around and after a day of multiple dropped chains riding over the rougher urban stuff, I still have use an old front mech as a chain keeper, which I have no issue with as everything runs fine year round. I run & prefer SRAM on my fast bike but nothing beats Shimano for affordable reliability.
Also giving the spring more retention is pretty simple, depending on the RD model. Just dismantling and drilling a hole farther away for the coil spring will potentially eliminate chain slap. I believe it's an old trick that racers in the 90's did, but it's not talked much.
@@HulluJannethis is exactly what I’ve been contemplating on doing to my old xt. On some there is already a second hole but I imagine drilling a 3rd would improve and add even more tension to achieve a clutch-like feel.
After seeing this video, I decided to try this, so I ordered and installed the the Acera RD-M3020 derailler and CS-HG400-8 11-40T cassette on my old hybrid with a 3x8 speed Alivio drive train. What an upgrade! Went from 34T to 40T and that gave me 19.5 gearinches, down from 23 gearinches, and it also shifts better, even with the original 8 speed Alivio shifter!
People always chasing expensive components while complaining about expensive components are just idiotic. I have used Alivio for more than a decade, never had a problem with its reliability, quality, and price. 38t-28t chainrings, 9-speed 11t-36t cassette.
Almost the same gearing my modified first generation Bridge Club has - 38-24t rings with same cassette. The crank is a Shimano Deore 2x10sp model that's gearing choice disappeared as soon as 2x11 arrived. I'm glad you tested the range of that derailleur. Keep up the good work showcasing harder to find parts.
My mountain bike has a lower end rear derailleur. I've ruined it twice, hit a rock with it, and something else. Less than 50 bucks to replace. My biking buddy had a really nice derailleur, I could replace mine many times over for the cost of his. I'm not always sold on the pricier stuff.
You had me sold when you said it was "less blingy" ...Bike snobs won't get that, and I like that. Win-Win...Most regular people just want something that works well as a replacement derailleur. Nice job! 😎
Ive been running my soma wolverine single speed and have been procrastinating putting gears back on it. This has motivated me to go this route and try it
I have a Shimano ALTUS RD-M310. It is also worth a look. I use a 15/18/21 Speed Friction Thumb Shifter Set originally presented by Shimano in the last couple of years, but 'Win Win' is the latest provider of the design, and it is flawless on my 8 speed.
I'd like so see it laying on the table next to any older long cage derailleur to find out what exactly Shimano couldn't do for several decades to accomodate bigger cassettes. Because from photos this Acera is identical to, say, T4000 Alivio
I have a 1999 Raleigh M30 rigid MTB. It came with an Altus stamped crank and Acera front and rear derailleurs. When I had it refurbished/overhauled, I had a new crank put on, so I could swap out the chainrings if I so desired; right now, I'm running a 42/32/22 tooth chainrings on the new Shimano Hyperdrive crank. I run a 7 speed cassette out back with 14-32 teeth; they go 14-26 for the 7th to 2nd cog, and the first cog is 32 teeth, my bailout gear. Since I had a new crank and chainrings installed, the LBS recommended swapping out the cassette and chain as well; this, I did. I still have the original Acera derailleurs, both front and rear, on the bike. I've taken that MTB on some sandy and muddy trails; I've ridden it on miles of fire roads in the NJ Pine Barrens; I've ridden it on canal trails and bike paths; and I've ridden it on the street. Guess what? After 25 years, those Acera derailleurs are STILL doing the job! Who cares if they're not flashy? Who cares if they don't have the right name? They still work, and they still work well. I just hope that, if I ever have to replace either of my derailleurs, that I can get new Acera derailleurs... 😁
Ohh this is really interesting, thanks for highlighting this rd capacity…I’ve got a feeling that this rd would be compatible with all the older and non 4700 7,8,9 and 10 speed brifters…excellent budget build option!
May be a dumb question but why not use a long cage 9speed Advent Derailleur with the friction shifter? it has a clutch and supports 42tooh and I believe up to 46tooth.
A few years back I managed to make my 2x9 with a mix of Sora and Deore 9S parts. The range is 24/38 and 11-40t. it needed some real finessing to get the shifting right but I'm very happy with it right now. I have had friends who were walking their bikes overtake me while I riding up hills.
I have an Alivio rear shifter on my 2020 Trek FX3, and at first I was really disappointed with it's performance. I decided to try to replace the cables, and that's when I found out that Trek had routed the shifter cable under the bottom bracket through some cheap liner which had gotten all torn up and was causing resistance. After fixing that, it's been pretty good.
Wow, you've hit the hammer bang on again! I have the Acera RD-M360 on one bike and Altus RD-M280 on another, both run fine up to my personal max of 9 index speeds using flat bar shimano / microshift and (incredably) Sensah Ignite drop bar shifters. They last forever and I bought them on €50 seconhand bikes from the 2010´s. Would be nice with a clutch but can't complain at the price!!
I bought a new budget runabout last month. A Ghost Square Cross with 3x9 Alivio and Accera mix. It was crazy cheap with big reductions only £369 for the whole bike. Was going to upgrade instantly but this channel has made me appreciate that old school and budget setups are good so im going to run it stock. Proberly will have less issues than my 1x mtb and 1x gravel bike 😂
I was so excited to get my grubby mitts on a GRX 10spd rear derailleur. Everywhere online, out of stock...and the local shop had it (for around $65ish, I think). Turns out, I hate it. The inline "shadow" whatever means you can't easily remove the rear wheel. The small cogs get caught on the derailleur, plus, when you do manage to remove the wheel, the chain falls off the top pulleywheel, making it more fiddly to put the wheel back in.
*sees blurred image and gets curious* *clicks on vid to find its the same derailleur I just put on my MTB like 2 weeks ago* Yes i can attest that it is a nice derailleur for the price.
Good find!!! This looks even better than the Alivio derailleur that I’ve installed on my two bikes! I’m able to run a 2x system with an 11/36 and a 40/26 with the Alivio, for about the same price. You may have found my next derailleur.
@@francoispaquin9996 It’s a Sugino wide/low crankset that Rivendell used to sell. They sell a similar one now under the Clipper brand. It works well for me!
Acera and Alivio supported up to 9speed but this new generation Acera only support up to 8 speed. these two are absolutely a good reliable gorup-set and good for all purpose on a budget.
8,9 speed is just right in terms of durability, price and range. i never go further than 9 on any of my bikes. Price for chains and parts goes up like crazy after 9 speed.
@@Exgrmbl smh there are always deals on 11 speed components, so that they are often cheaper than 9 or 10. But true, nothing beats 8. And until only recently 11 speed was the only option for 1x drivetrains.
Any Shimano SIS (i.e. for indexing) rear derailleur that is 9 speed or less (except 8 speed and under Dura-Ace, and anything CUES), or 10 speed or less for road bikes, will be compatible with 6, 7, 8, and 9 speed shifters (and 10 speed road shifters). So this derailleur will work fine with pretty much any 9 speed components.
Durache? I am totally with you on the lower end components. I have an Alivio groupset on my Dawes Galaxy; I've put alt bars and hydraulic disc calipers and used it for all kinds of riding, including gravel. It's quietly and efficiently done it's job and never let me down. And the triple at the front winches me up any hill in Cumbria.
There’s also a less expensive 10 speed variant of GRX RX 400, clutched, (about $75), which has a 41 tooth capacity officially, but works up to 47 I think. I have it on my Kona Sutra 2x 30/46. It came with a 11-36 cassette, which I replaced with a 11-42 XT, giving me a 585% gear range. Runs well, no wolf tooth required. In fact if installed WT will bend the b screw overtime, so better without it. With that said, I do want to go lower on the chainrings for bikepacking in the mountains - Russ’ 40-24 is ideal for that.
Kona Rove here, exactly as you've mentioned at the end, I'm looking for something steep grades for hours worthy. Thinking about some pizza in the back, like 48 or even 51 and front in the twenties. Not yet sure how to build this, but I'm guessing deore rear 10 speed + no_idea front + microshift friction shifters. Any input welcome!
Two years ago, I decided to upgrade the drivetrain in my folding bike. The only old thing was the rear derailleur, a Shimano RD-M410. I went from 7 speeds to 9 speeds. I paired a SunRace shifter with said derailleur and a SunRun 11-42T cassette. The combination works flawlessly. Recently I decided to buy an 8-speed S-Ride 11-36T cassette for my road bike. I did not change the derailleur, a Shimano Claris RD-R2000-GS medium cage, and it works without any problems. I forgot to mention, the folding bike has a 44T chainring and the road bike has a compact crankset.
Just bought an Acera to use on my old-school Bridgestone 700 that needed more gear range, partly on all the praises you and Grant Petersen poured onto the low-end Shimano stuff. Excited to try it out!
I think this illustrates a point you made a while back: it’s not the rear derailleur that matters most. I admire your boldness in trying weird combinations of component. I hope to pick up an Uno just because, but also to use it to really embrace friction.
I've been using clutchless derailleurs on mountain bikes up till 2012 and they were fine. If you have a front derailleur it'll keep the chain on when bouncing around. Clutches are handy for 1x as ride-stopping chain drops happen off the front chain ring. But that still happens. That's why a front chain guide is used. These days the sound of chain slap is the biggest benefit of a clutch. But a foamy Lizard Skin chain stay protector can muffle that too.
This Acera RD also good for 9&10 speed indexed. It’s compatible with following Shimano indexed shifters range; 9-speed mtb/road and 10-speed road (pre Tiagra 4700) in both DCL and Flatbar style.
Thanks Russ. I’m just about to build my first bike. Starting point is the Velo Orange Pass Hunter frame, great deal at $599. You have inspired me to build a bike that you can’t get from the big 4 and I’ll give this derailleur a try. Keep up the great work. Enjoy your day.
I have been talking about that 3020 for years (20€). I run it with a 3x8 system. In the back I use 11x40 Shimano cassette and it works flawlessly. It's also cheap as hell. The setup including the cassete (CS-HG400-8 - 25€), chain (kmc or shimano 7-8 speed chain - 10€) and a new rear shifter (SL-M315-8R - 10-15€) costs 70€ top. And with a 3x (24/32/40) or 2x on the front you are all set. Yep no clutch, but a nice pad on the chainstay does the job. I use it on my hardtail. Cheap reliable what more do you want. And on longer journeys I have a spare, yep for 20€ you can have a spare. And I'm a lot more freeminded as if I brake it it's so cheap to replace.
When I changed my rear cassette to 11-42T and my existing 8 speed derailleur couldn't get into the 42T cog, I did some research on my own and I ended up getting this same derailleur ($20 off ebay). Fun that I came across this video now and feeling even better about my purchase. I use it with the SL-M315 rapidfire shifter with no problem.
Awesome. Bring on the trickle up. Maybe you could make some small party pace stickers (or something else) to go over the acera logo? That might make it feel even better.
I have a big cargo bike that has been electrified with a high torque motor running an Acera derailleur for years now. It has never once needed an adjustment, creaked, shifted improperly, or really had any issues at all. And this is a bike often carrying +100 lb loads, going up hills, and moving quickly.
Just a few weeks after I retrofitted my commuter/touring roadbike with an acera rear derailer you post the vid to finally vindicate that decision! Love the vid even before seeing all of it!!
I have Shimano Deore 9 speed rear derrailleur on my road bike setup 50/34 with 11/42 cassette and on my mtb to gravel conversion, 36/24 with 11/42 cassette. The road is setup with 10 speed brifters and the gravel with 9 speed. In order to use the cassettes and not having to add a derrailleur hanger extender is changing the b-tension screws with a longer one. On the road bike I had to move the front derailleur up a bit to clear the 50/42 combination. For both setups this is the maximum the derrailleur can handle in a 2X setup. You can still find new deore for $50 bucks on e-bay. But both setups is like having a 1X hybrid with plenty of gearing when things get steep.
ive done it with a grx800 on 46/30. ive got a friend and she's a wild one and did a grx400 rear mech to 11-42 cassette on a 48/31 bombtrack chainrings 2x
I have used the older Acera and Alivio derailleurs with 9 and older 10 speed groupsets with 11-32 and even 11-34 cassettes on road bikes as the pull ratios are the same as 7 and 8 speed systems. These older bikes with 53/39 chainrings paired with an 11-34 cassette now have a similar gear range to modern compact gearing 50/34 and 11-30 cassette. A much cheaper way to upgrade these old bikes.
In my 1x setup I have a Shimano Deore rear derailleur with clutch mechanism. I was getting dropped chain every 10 miles of riding, specifically while in higher gears. Installed a $20 chain retainer piece over the chainring that solved my chain drop issues
fantastic solution for affordable groupset with an amazing range. My only worry is that friction shifting is not super handy when in the hoods as I need to move my hand to shift and it's not super close to brakes if I need to engage them.
Russ is using friction shifters but this 8 speed will happily work on 9 speed index road/MTB. Just ordered 2x Acera’s for my kids bikes. For them it’s an upgrade from Tourney TX. Still no clutch but I’m pairing it with bigger cassette and bigger NW chainring.
On my 1500W Ebike it lasted about 3 days. The derailleur cages bent, and that was it. The MTB rated parts are much stronger there. I'm used to Rapid Rise, and run gripshifters. So my shifting habits are not typical. The long cage can get pushed into the spokes in urban riding, especially on 26" bikes. I prefer mid cage options due to that. For most people none of this applies. But you do get more for your money with the higher rated parts.
I just splurge on the M7000 SLX for loaded dirt touring. 24/32 x 11-46. (gonna change that big ring to a 36 someday) Shimano says you can't run a double with 11-46T but mine hits all the gears no problemo. I'm on flatbar shifters though.
I've run 46-30 and 42-24 with 42-11 with Sora shifters 9 & 11 speed with 105 shifters and bar end shifters. all with Alivio, Sora, STX, XT and 105 rear derailleurs using a hanger extender as well. Indexed road shifters can be used with a multitude of combinations of gear sizes front and rear. If you use MTB rear derailleurs only 9 spd or less will work with indexed road shifters. I find that gear ratios too high that come with bikes as standard these days. Chris Froome I am not, so I've experimented as well. This channel is great, doing the experimentation for us.
I'm looking for something steep grades for hours worthy. Thinking about some pizza in the back, like 48 or even 51 and front in the twenties. Not yet sure how to build this, but I'm guessing deore rear 10 speed + no_idea front + microshift friction shifters. Any input welcome!
The Shimano Acera group set was originally on my 3 X 8 Diamondback Mountain bike with a 42/32/22 front and 11-32 cassette and fell for the 1X 10 hype with the Shimano Deore derailleur 38T up front and 11-42 cassette. I had the Ultimate range and never had problems with it. No chain drops and I reduced the chain slap noise by cutting an old inner tube and wrapping the chain stay with it. The bike does look better and is lighter with a 1X though.
If you are running 2x you don't need a clutch as much because the front derailleur helps keep the chain on the front chainrings. If you are running 1x, a clutch is needed more as is a chainring with a deeper tooth profile.
Actually, all the modern "low end" shimano (altus, acera, alivio) rd can all reach up to 40-42t without any goatlink. Sometimes even the old ones. I got an on older altus (the one in silver and black with a large pulley wheel) on my folding bike and it can manage up to 40t pretty easily. I also have an older deore rd (9 speed) that can also go up to 40-42t. All hail the lowend shimano's!
Someone tossed out an old frame with guess what Mech was on it. I installed the Acera and barely had to make any adjustments. Works amazing on an old Italian Legnano. Its kinda spooky actually. fit like a glove
This is great. Thanks. I'm so glad you check this stuff out in the Cave of Bad Ideas. If I ever do the bike-touring build, I'll use my Ciclo Uno and a setup like this (except that means I'll have to take the Ciclo Uno off my road bike... don't ask...
I have decades of working on my own bikes, if I was going to build a new packing bike I would go to the new Acera with friction shifters and maybe a 105 at the front! Pretty much the same build on the video. They're bullet proof! I'm not so keen on the Acera shifter/brake lever combo though. Ps. we rode without a clutch in the rear for decades and didn't know we were missing it. Check out Microshift too! They've come along.
What are the crankset and shifters you're using? I just got myself an early 90s Trek frameset in Japanese steel and I'm trying to figure out how to set it up. This method of quirky components interests me very much.
I'm old enough that I remember when Shimano first used the model name Dura Ace on a centerpull brake, before they repurposed it for their new, showpiece group that was to compete with Campagnolo. I've always pronounced it as two words, never as "Doorahchay," but I like it! It rolls off the tongue, like the short-lived Santé.
I think the one aspect that prob doesn’t get mentioned enough is that before you decide to do the same experiment on your own bike - especially with rear derailleurs - always check and think about how the cable routing from the seatstays or chainstays will be affected… Certain RD’s don’t work very well when the cable exit points are in certain angles/distances relative to the position of the cable anchor bolt. Just because it works well on one particular bike that you see on a RUclips review may not necessarily have the same result on all bikes….so DYOR
Ok so judgement, Im pretty new to this stuff but I can fill in the voids a little. Are you telling me that if you would to have kept the friction shifting in the rear, this would be easier? No removing any other components other than the rear derailleur and the cassette for the cues?
That's funny to see this right after I pulled the Acera rear derailleur off my old mountain bike and threw it on this mixed build tripple bike when the Ultegra derailleur it came with didn't have the capacity needed to handle the triple and the 11-28 cassette. Just put 30 miles on it and it was smooth as butter.
11spd SLX(& above) in 2x can do 40t officially & 45t un-officially & I've seen those going like $50 in the used market. From the data I've seen the 12spd SLX+ in 2x maxes out at 45/46t officially, but not sure what it is unofficially. Haven't priced a used one yet, but if I can run it as a 11 or 10spd with brifters+jtek that would great with a 44/28t cassette. It would be worth checking these models out or seeing if the 2x12 cage can be swapped to other Shimano RD like the excellent work you did with Sram's stuff.
good that it works well. As it is a 2x8 has really got to be the "entry level" decent range 2x. On a x7 you're limited to like, a 34t with a mega-range freewheel, where as once you hit 8 you can get 40+ cassettes, as silly as that can get for distance between gears. So you'd be wanting a 3x7 or a 2x8 to get the range, unless you have any tips for what to do if you find yourself converting a bike with a freewheel. Other than "don't" or "replace the wheels" of course :P
Though I've been running a knock-off goatLink to get my sora to handle a 40. I wonder if this one can make it to a 46+ with the same, though you do end up with fun on the small gears then
I agree that clutches on gravel bikes are not always necessary. I’m running a retro m952 rd and I’ve had no issues with chain slap even going down trails
this is perfect timing im selling my mountain bike with a 50t 9s on and want to keep my rapid rise for my next bike and have been looking for a good cheap derailleur to sell it with i think this will be perfect and i know full well a derailleur like this can handle a 9s 50t with a hanger extension (or maybe without one if im lucky)
Shimano are always massively conservative with the maximum sprocket size their rear mechs. I use similar set up but with current R7000 105 rear mech which gives 11 speed for under £60 - My set up is 11-40T 11 speed cassette and 30-46T up front (crankset is ultegra triple set up as a subcompact double)
Russ if you get a chance, check the SunRace RD-M10. It's a 10$, steel, friction-only derailleur that even Riv sells. According to them: "Frictions up to 8, Wraps 35 teeth, Max rear cog, 28t, Wt: 255g"
Oh i feel i must mention that my previous derailleur was b-twin that came with the bike. I also paired the new derailleur with a set of shimano ef-500 rapid fire brake/shift levers and man i love them! I ride a medium decathlon rockrider100 with a 3x7 setup. Am currently contemplating a new crank set. I am a shimano fan boy. Have been since I was a kid so I tend to stick with that brand. Alternately I would love to get a internally geared or CV rear hub but... I absolutely hate re spoking wheels.🤷♂
I've been thinking about replacing my rear mech to accomodate a bigger low gear and it's been stressing me out. Currently running an 8-speed 1x with a Sora 3400 rear mech from my snapped road bike. Most of them are 9-12 speed but I'm not looking to upgrade so this is perfect, thank you! Looking for one online rn. but still curious about the Essa tho 😁
The derailleur clutch isn't a stronger spring. It's a mechanism that adds friction to the derailleur's movement. Shimano has a plastic clamp that adds friction. Sram has a bearing with a nylon bushing. No springs involved.
Awesome tips for side stepping component compatibility issues, reducing costs, extending riding options, great content thanks ……………subscribed and liked
![I.N "HALLUCINATION" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/n5B5q1Hwt_U/mqdefault.jpg)
Modern "low" end components are simply amazing. Robust and affordable.
In that case if you've checked XTR you would probably say that this is for the lifetime part (and if not raced, probably is..). If you want to know, yes ... there is a difference, slight but it exist and no kind of trickery-magic can reverse ones approach to XTR as soon as you have privilege to test them thoroughly. BTW Shimano is way cheaper in EU than SRAM :/ sorry.
Disagree, shimanos off-road low-end is dogshit
@@michalwiktorow2188 That's why I'm always so surprised about these prices, a Deore 2x RD-M5120 is also 30 eur and has a clutch.
Trickledown Economics? Not so much. Trickledown Technology? Hell Yeah.
"And the reason why this works is because of course I'm using a friction shifter." Tell it Russ.
I’ve worked in high end shops installing the fanciest of stuff, but never did I get more excited than when Shimano would release a new bargain bin group set. It’s always amazing to see how much old school high tech can be squeezed into a sub-$40 derailleur.
Very happy Acera user here 😊 have one on my cross check running 10 speed, wide range double. Cost £15 ( UK). Now I feel vindicated, PLP seal of approval 😊
10 sp 11-42? Curious to try on mine, currently my chainring is 42t
Where!!?? Am trying to upgrade my bend 3by 8 and it seems I have to go Chinese just to justify to throwing the bike away
I'm another happy Acera user in the US. Both the front and rear derailleurs on my 1999 MTB are the original Acera s that came with it. After 25 years, they're STILL doing the job! Why would I change?
With all my cheap bike I never had a single problem regarding shifting. This Acera/Alivio drivetrains works so reliably. My guess for them to have a bad reputation might be because all the beginner users who buy entry level components and don't know how to operate or maintain the bike correctly.
They work great but usually not very long bcs of cheaper parts and worse serviceability in comp. with pricier parts
Yeah, they wear out quickly
@@Glebaka Talking from my experience Alivio RD-M3100-SGS 9 speed and Acera RD-M360-L/S are perfectly serviceable and they cheaper not because of the "low quality materials" they are made of steel!!! The pricing as everything high performance is about the weight. My main bike has a complete 105 groupset and I have been impressed by the cheaper offerings for what they are.
@@YuichiTamaki i have sora r3000 rd , and for exmpl i can't service arm spring bcs its riveted,
@@Glebaka Yes you are correct, in the ones I mentioned it is the same, to clean them I just put the derailleur inside a container with degreaser and shake it until all the gunk is disolved. then proceed to oil everything back. Now it you are losing spring tension that's a different story and I can agree with you. But if you can get 2 years of daily commute for a 25 dollars piece I call it a win.
For many years, mountain bikers rode derailleurs without clutches and nobody complained about dropped chains. People sure do ride harder today than they did before clutches came out, but I think for most people a clutch is only needed because we've gone 1x.
And maybe dual suspension needs a clutch more than gravel does.
My current MTB is a 1x9 with no clutch (MicroShift Advent) and with a narrow-wide chainring on it, I’ve yet to have any dropped chains on that. I could see it happening if I was doing chunky stuff constantly, but even then, it’d have to be a pretty big hit and in a pretty small gear to have that be an issue, IMO.
Clutched derailleurs probably make a lot more sense when you’ve got wider range cassettes _and_ hitting chunky drops in the fast gears, but yeah, a lot of the times I see people saying “oh no clutch, that’s bad” it’s on bikes that are perfectly fine as-is.
Seems like the noise of chain slap is no longer cool as it'll distract from the sound of your $300 high engagement hub.
I dropped a chain with my 2x grx setup(w/ forgetting the clutch off) the other day going down some steps on my gravel bike. With it on, never was an issue.
people were running larger chainrings, smaller cassettes, AND chainguides. Nobody runs chainguides anymore, partly because of clutches, partly because of narrow wide rings, and partly because it's very hard to accomodate especially wide range cassettes.
I think that this is great channel and also 'side' subject, showing people what options there are, and what are their real pros and cons. Well done!
It's great how you keep doing great research and keep coming up with ideas that make so much sense in this sale driven bicycle industry. Please do keep these videos coming.
One upvote and I’ll put this on a 2020 madone SLR.
Pics or it didn’t happen
Upload the vid soon 😂
44 upvotes and you'll put them on 44 madone SLRs?
Give me pic!
2020? I'm sorry your practice is going so badly
Take a look at the microShift Acolyte derailleur as well. I've been running it on my hardtail and it's been bombproof. The cool thing with microShift is that 8-speed Acolyte, 9-speed Advent, 10-speed Advent X, and the new Sword groupsets all use the same cable pull and are mostly interchangeable. Shimano CUES before CUES existed!
Have you tried running an Acolyte with an Advent/Sword brifter? I've got 2 flat bar bikes with Acolytes and love them but looking to build a drop bar bikes with brifters
everything mtb shimano is compatible since 10x. you can combine a 10x 780 shifter with a 12x 8100 on a microshift 10x cassette and it works perfectly. to make it even more wierd..... sram uses the same ratio since 9x. you can put any of these components in the mix as well. "cues" is pure marketing-BS.
btw: box also uses the same ratio......
I use a 10 speed Zee RD with 11-36 and 40t narrow wide up front. The narrow wide is mounted to a double with a 26t granny gear and front derailleur. 90% is ridden on narrow wide but bailout there for steep stuff. Shifting up front takes a little finessing to go back up but works everytime.
Let's remember the clutch was introduced to improve chain retention without a front derailleur...I run a 1(38T) x 9(11-36) w/Altus on my commuter/run-around and after a day of multiple dropped chains riding over the rougher urban stuff, I still have use an old front mech as a chain keeper, which I have no issue with as everything runs fine year round. I run & prefer SRAM on my fast bike but nothing beats Shimano for affordable reliability.
Also giving the spring more retention is pretty simple, depending on the RD model. Just dismantling and drilling a hole farther away for the coil spring will potentially eliminate chain slap. I believe it's an old trick that racers in the 90's did, but it's not talked much.
Depending on which spring you do the mod, you can either have just more chain retention or possibly run a slightly bigger cog, or both.
@@HulluJannethis is exactly what I’ve been contemplating on doing to my old xt. On some there is already a second hole but I imagine drilling a 3rd would improve and add even more tension to achieve a clutch-like feel.
@@HulluJanne I'll open it up and have a look, I'm just weary as things aren't made they way they used be :). Thanks for the tip!
After seeing this video, I decided to try this, so I ordered and installed the the Acera RD-M3020 derailler and CS-HG400-8 11-40T cassette on my old hybrid with a 3x8 speed Alivio drive train. What an upgrade! Went from 34T to 40T and that gave me 19.5 gearinches, down from 23 gearinches, and it also shifts better, even with the original 8 speed Alivio shifter!
People always chasing expensive components while complaining about expensive components are just idiotic.
I have used Alivio for more than a decade, never had a problem with its reliability, quality, and price. 38t-28t chainrings, 9-speed 11t-36t cassette.
Almost the same gearing my modified first generation Bridge Club has - 38-24t rings with same cassette. The crank is a Shimano Deore 2x10sp model that's gearing choice disappeared as soon as 2x11 arrived.
I'm glad you tested the range of that derailleur. Keep up the good work showcasing harder to find parts.
My mountain bike has a lower end rear derailleur. I've ruined it twice, hit a rock with it, and something else. Less than 50 bucks to replace. My biking buddy had a really nice derailleur, I could replace mine many times over for the cost of his. I'm not always sold on the pricier stuff.
You had me sold when you said it was "less blingy" ...Bike snobs won't get that, and I like that. Win-Win...Most regular people just want something that works well as a replacement derailleur. Nice job! 😎
Ive been running my soma wolverine single speed and have been procrastinating putting gears back on it. This has motivated me to go this route and try it
This was a great review! Thank you for always not promoting the latest, greatest, most expensive products!
I have a Shimano ALTUS RD-M310. It is also worth a look. I use a 15/18/21 Speed Friction Thumb Shifter Set originally presented by Shimano in the last couple of years, but 'Win Win' is the latest provider of the design, and it is flawless on my 8 speed.
RD-M370 SGS are £12.99 in UK, definitely worth a look.
I'd like so see it laying on the table next to any older long cage derailleur to find out what exactly Shimano couldn't do for several decades to accomodate bigger cassettes. Because from photos this Acera is identical to, say, T4000 Alivio
I have a 1999 Raleigh M30 rigid MTB. It came with an Altus stamped crank and Acera front and rear derailleurs. When I had it refurbished/overhauled, I had a new crank put on, so I could swap out the chainrings if I so desired; right now, I'm running a 42/32/22 tooth chainrings on the new Shimano Hyperdrive crank. I run a 7 speed cassette out back with 14-32 teeth; they go 14-26 for the 7th to 2nd cog, and the first cog is 32 teeth, my bailout gear. Since I had a new crank and chainrings installed, the LBS recommended swapping out the cassette and chain as well; this, I did. I still have the original Acera derailleurs, both front and rear, on the bike.
I've taken that MTB on some sandy and muddy trails; I've ridden it on miles of fire roads in the NJ Pine Barrens; I've ridden it on canal trails and bike paths; and I've ridden it on the street. Guess what? After 25 years, those Acera derailleurs are STILL doing the job! Who cares if they're not flashy? Who cares if they don't have the right name? They still work, and they still work well. I just hope that, if I ever have to replace either of my derailleurs, that I can get new Acera derailleurs... 😁
Ohh this is really interesting, thanks for highlighting this rd capacity…I’ve got a feeling that this rd would be compatible with all the older and non 4700 7,8,9 and 10 speed brifters…excellent budget build option!
May be a dumb question but why not use a long cage 9speed Advent Derailleur with the friction shifter? it has a clutch and supports 42tooh and I believe up to 46tooth.
A few years back I managed to make my 2x9 with a mix of Sora and Deore 9S parts. The range is 24/38 and 11-40t. it needed some real finessing to get the shifting right but I'm very happy with it right now. I have had friends who were walking their bikes overtake me while I riding up hills.
I have an Alivio rear shifter on my 2020 Trek FX3, and at first I was really disappointed with it's performance. I decided to try to replace the cables, and that's when I found out that Trek had routed the shifter cable under the bottom bracket through some cheap liner which had gotten all torn up and was causing resistance. After fixing that, it's been pretty good.
Wow, you've hit the hammer bang on again! I have the Acera RD-M360 on one bike and Altus RD-M280 on another, both run fine up to my personal max of 9 index speeds using flat bar shimano / microshift and (incredably) Sensah Ignite drop bar shifters. They last forever and I bought them on €50 seconhand bikes from the 2010´s. Would be nice with a clutch but can't complain at the price!!
I bought a new budget runabout last month. A Ghost Square Cross with 3x9 Alivio and Accera mix. It was crazy cheap with big reductions only £369 for the whole bike. Was going to upgrade instantly but this channel has made me appreciate that old school and budget setups are good so im going to run it stock. Proberly will have less issues than my 1x mtb and 1x gravel bike 😂
I was so excited to get my grubby mitts on a GRX 10spd rear derailleur. Everywhere online, out of stock...and the local shop had it (for around $65ish, I think).
Turns out, I hate it. The inline "shadow" whatever means you can't easily remove the rear wheel. The small cogs get caught on the derailleur, plus, when you do manage to remove the wheel, the chain falls off the top pulleywheel, making it more fiddly to put the wheel back in.
*sees blurred image and gets curious*
*clicks on vid to find its the same derailleur I just put on my MTB like 2 weeks ago*
Yes i can attest that it is a nice derailleur for the price.
Good find!!! This looks even better than the Alivio derailleur that I’ve installed on my two bikes! I’m able to run a 2x system with an 11/36 and a 40/26 with the Alivio, for about the same price. You may have found my next derailleur.
Which crankset do you use?
@@francoispaquin9996 It’s a Sugino wide/low crankset that Rivendell used to sell. They sell a similar one now under the Clipper brand. It works well for me!
How is it better? Alivio has more capacity, unless you're talking about the old version.
Acera and Alivio supported up to 9speed but this new generation Acera only support up to 8 speed. these two are absolutely a good reliable gorup-set and good for all purpose on a budget.
That made me raise an eyebrow at first too to hear it's 8 speed, when even Altus is 9
8,9 speed is just right in terms of durability, price and range. i never go further than 9 on any of my bikes. Price for chains and parts goes up like crazy after 9 speed.
@@Exgrmbl
^
this !
@@Exgrmbl smh there are always deals on 11 speed components, so that they are often cheaper than 9 or 10. But true, nothing beats 8.
And until only recently 11 speed was the only option for 1x drivetrains.
Any Shimano SIS (i.e. for indexing) rear derailleur that is 9 speed or less (except 8 speed and under Dura-Ace, and anything CUES), or 10 speed or less for road bikes, will be compatible with 6, 7, 8, and 9 speed shifters (and 10 speed road shifters).
So this derailleur will work fine with pretty much any 9 speed components.
Durache? I am totally with you on the lower end components. I have an Alivio groupset on my Dawes Galaxy; I've put alt bars and hydraulic disc calipers and used it for all kinds of riding, including gravel. It's quietly and efficiently done it's job and never let me down. And the triple at the front winches me up any hill in Cumbria.
I think you just saved me a lot of money. Thanks Russ for all you do!
There’s also a less expensive 10 speed variant of GRX RX 400, clutched, (about $75), which has a 41 tooth capacity officially, but works up to 47 I think. I have it on my Kona Sutra 2x 30/46. It came with a 11-36 cassette, which I replaced with a 11-42 XT, giving me a 585% gear range. Runs well, no wolf tooth required. In fact if installed WT will bend the b screw overtime, so better without it.
With that said, I do want to go lower on the chainrings for bikepacking in the mountains - Russ’ 40-24 is ideal for that.
Kona Rove here, exactly as you've mentioned at the end, I'm looking for something steep grades for hours worthy. Thinking about some pizza in the back, like 48 or even 51 and front in the twenties. Not yet sure how to build this, but I'm guessing deore rear 10 speed + no_idea front + microshift friction shifters. Any input welcome!
Two years ago, I decided to upgrade the drivetrain in my folding bike. The only old thing was the rear derailleur, a Shimano RD-M410. I went from 7 speeds to 9 speeds. I paired a SunRace shifter with said derailleur and a SunRun 11-42T cassette. The combination works flawlessly. Recently I decided to buy an 8-speed S-Ride 11-36T cassette for my road bike. I did not change the derailleur, a Shimano Claris RD-R2000-GS medium cage, and it works without any problems. I forgot to mention, the folding bike has a 44T chainring and the road bike has a compact crankset.
Videos like this are why I love this channel.
Just bought an Acera to use on my old-school Bridgestone 700 that needed more gear range, partly on all the praises you and Grant Petersen poured onto the low-end Shimano stuff. Excited to try it out!
I think this illustrates a point you made a while back: it’s not the rear derailleur that matters most. I admire your boldness in trying weird combinations of component. I hope to pick up an Uno just because, but also to use it to really embrace friction.
I've been using clutchless derailleurs on mountain bikes up till 2012 and they were fine. If you have a front derailleur it'll keep the chain on when bouncing around. Clutches are handy for 1x as ride-stopping chain drops happen off the front chain ring. But that still happens. That's why a front chain guide is used. These days the sound of chain slap is the biggest benefit of a clutch. But a foamy Lizard Skin chain stay protector can muffle that too.
This Acera RD also good for 9&10 speed indexed. It’s compatible with following Shimano indexed shifters range; 9-speed mtb/road and 10-speed road (pre Tiagra 4700) in both DCL and Flatbar style.
Thanks Russ. I’m just about to build my first bike. Starting point is the Velo Orange Pass Hunter frame, great deal at $599. You have inspired me to build a bike that you can’t get from the big 4 and I’ll give this derailleur a try. Keep up the great work. Enjoy your day.
I have been talking about that 3020 for years (20€). I run it with a 3x8 system. In the back I use 11x40 Shimano cassette and it works flawlessly. It's also cheap as hell. The setup including the cassete (CS-HG400-8 - 25€), chain (kmc or shimano 7-8 speed chain - 10€) and a new rear shifter (SL-M315-8R - 10-15€) costs 70€ top. And with a 3x (24/32/40) or 2x on the front you are all set.
Yep no clutch, but a nice pad on the chainstay does the job. I use it on my hardtail. Cheap reliable what more do you want. And on longer journeys I have a spare, yep for 20€ you can have a spare. And I'm a lot more freeminded as if I brake it it's so cheap to replace.
When I changed my rear cassette to 11-42T and my existing 8 speed derailleur couldn't get into the 42T cog, I did some research on my own and I ended up getting this same derailleur ($20 off ebay). Fun that I came across this video now and feeling even better about my purchase. I use it with the SL-M315 rapidfire shifter with no problem.
0:15 "Ultegra and Duratshe" 😀 Never before heard it like that. 🙂
I love your down to earth common sense approach. Thank you so much.
Awesome. Bring on the trickle up. Maybe you could make some small party pace stickers (or something else) to go over the acera logo? That might make it feel even better.
I have a big cargo bike that has been electrified with a high torque motor running an Acera derailleur for years now. It has never once needed an adjustment, creaked, shifted improperly, or really had any issues at all. And this is a bike often carrying +100 lb loads, going up hills, and moving quickly.
Mid drive? Or hub motor?
I’m in middle of converting my tandem with a hub motor. Considering the acera/altus/advent 9 spd
Just ordered one for my next build. $39 CAN which is like $28 US. Planning on running a New Albion crankset 42/26 with an 11/34 ten speed cassette.
The Alivio RD is really nice too. I run one on my 8 speed 90s MTB Dad bike.
ahh, just ordered this one last week. the rd-m3020 is interesting. going to pair it with sora r3000
Just a few weeks after I retrofitted my commuter/touring roadbike with an acera rear derailer you post the vid to finally vindicate that decision! Love the vid even before seeing all of it!!
so cool! So much bike tech has been around far too long to not become more efficient and affordable
I have Shimano Deore 9 speed rear derrailleur on my road bike setup 50/34 with 11/42 cassette and on my mtb to gravel conversion, 36/24 with 11/42 cassette. The road is setup with 10 speed brifters and the gravel with 9 speed. In order to use the cassettes and not having to add a derrailleur hanger extender is changing the b-tension screws with a longer one. On the road bike I had to move the front derailleur up a bit to clear the 50/42 combination. For both setups this is the maximum the derrailleur can handle in a 2X setup. You can still find new deore for $50 bucks on e-bay. But both setups is like having a 1X hybrid with plenty of gearing when things get steep.
ive done it with a grx800 on 46/30. ive got a friend and she's a wild one and did a grx400 rear mech to 11-42 cassette on a 48/31 bombtrack chainrings 2x
I have used the older Acera and Alivio derailleurs with 9 and older 10 speed groupsets with 11-32 and even 11-34 cassettes on road bikes as the pull ratios are the same as 7 and 8 speed systems. These older bikes with 53/39 chainrings paired with an 11-34 cassette now have a similar gear range to modern compact gearing 50/34 and 11-30 cassette. A much cheaper way to upgrade these old bikes.
My head hurts on the numbers. Love the simplicity Russ
In my 1x setup I have a Shimano Deore rear derailleur with clutch mechanism. I was getting dropped chain every 10 miles of riding, specifically while in higher gears. Installed a $20 chain retainer piece over the chainring that solved my chain drop issues
fantastic solution for affordable groupset with an amazing range. My only worry is that friction shifting is not super handy when in the hoods as I need to move my hand to shift and it's not super close to brakes if I need to engage them.
Russ is using friction shifters but this 8 speed will happily work on 9 speed index road/MTB.
Just ordered 2x Acera’s for my kids bikes. For them it’s an upgrade from Tourney TX. Still no clutch but I’m pairing it with bigger cassette and bigger NW chainring.
You've got quite an amazing niche here - and you're so good at it! Bravo.
On my 1500W Ebike it lasted about 3 days. The derailleur cages bent, and that was it. The MTB rated parts are much stronger there. I'm used to Rapid Rise, and run gripshifters. So my shifting habits are not typical. The long cage can get pushed into the spokes in urban riding, especially on 26" bikes. I prefer mid cage options due to that. For most people none of this applies. But you do get more for your money with the higher rated parts.
This is the content I come here for! Thanks, Russ. I hope the Catalan Party Pacers make you feel super welcome.
I just splurge on the M7000 SLX for loaded dirt touring. 24/32 x 11-46. (gonna change that big ring to a 36 someday) Shimano says you can't run a double with 11-46T but mine hits all the gears no problemo. I'm on flatbar shifters though.
I've run 46-30 and 42-24 with 42-11 with Sora shifters 9 & 11 speed with 105 shifters and bar end shifters. all with Alivio, Sora, STX, XT and 105 rear derailleurs using a hanger extender as well. Indexed road shifters can be used with a multitude of combinations of gear sizes front and rear. If you use MTB rear derailleurs only 9 spd or less will work with indexed road shifters.
I find that gear ratios too high that come with bikes as standard these days. Chris Froome I am not, so I've experimented as well. This channel is great, doing the experimentation for us.
I'm looking for something steep grades for hours worthy. Thinking about some pizza in the back, like 48 or even 51 and front in the twenties. Not yet sure how to build this, but I'm guessing deore rear 10 speed + no_idea front + microshift friction shifters. Any input welcome!
The Shimano Acera group set was originally on my 3 X 8 Diamondback Mountain bike with a 42/32/22 front and 11-32 cassette and fell for the 1X 10 hype with the Shimano Deore derailleur 38T up front and 11-42 cassette. I had the Ultimate range and never had problems with it. No chain drops and I reduced the chain slap noise by cutting an old inner tube and wrapping the chain stay with it. The bike does look better and is lighter with a 1X though.
Well done, Russ! I love it when you peel back marketing fluff and show me maximum functionality traded for the fewest family fun hours. 🙌🏻
If you are running 2x you don't need a clutch as much because the front derailleur helps keep the chain on the front chainrings. If you are running 1x, a clutch is needed more as is a chainring with a deeper tooth profile.
I have upgraded with two ceramic pulleys (11t and 13t, had to dremel a bit, possibly it can take 15t),using a 11-40t cassette/ very good derailleur
Actually, all the modern "low end" shimano (altus, acera, alivio) rd can all reach up to 40-42t without any goatlink. Sometimes even the old ones. I got an on older altus (the one in silver and black with a large pulley wheel) on my folding bike and it can manage up to 40t pretty easily. I also have an older deore rd (9 speed) that can also go up to 40-42t.
All hail the lowend shimano's!
Someone tossed out an old frame with guess what Mech was on it. I installed the Acera and barely had to make any adjustments. Works amazing on an old Italian Legnano. Its kinda spooky actually. fit like a glove
This is great. Thanks. I'm so glad you check this stuff out in the Cave of Bad Ideas. If I ever do the bike-touring build, I'll use my Ciclo Uno and a setup like this (except that means I'll have to take the Ciclo Uno off my road bike... don't ask...
I have decades of working on my own bikes, if I was going to build a new packing bike I would go to the new Acera with friction shifters and maybe a 105 at the front! Pretty much the same build on the video. They're bullet proof! I'm not so keen on the Acera shifter/brake lever combo though. Ps. we rode without a clutch in the rear for decades and didn't know we were missing it. Check out Microshift too! They've come along.
What are the crankset and shifters you're using? I just got myself an early 90s Trek frameset in Japanese steel and I'm trying to figure out how to set it up. This method of quirky components interests me very much.
I'm old enough that I remember when Shimano first used the model name Dura Ace on a centerpull brake, before they repurposed it for their new, showpiece group that was to compete with Campagnolo. I've always pronounced it as two words, never as "Doorahchay," but I like it! It rolls off the tongue, like the short-lived Santé.
How about Dura ache for the long term impact on your savings?😎
I think the one aspect that prob doesn’t get mentioned enough is that before you decide to do the same experiment on your own bike - especially with rear derailleurs - always check and think about how the cable routing from the seatstays or chainstays will be affected… Certain RD’s don’t work very well when the cable exit points are in certain angles/distances relative to the position of the cable anchor bolt. Just because it works well on one particular bike that you see on a RUclips review may not necessarily have the same result on all bikes….so DYOR
I've had mine for a year on my commuter and I'm completely satisfied. And friction shifters.
Ok so judgement, Im pretty new to this stuff but I can fill in the voids a little. Are you telling me that if you would to have kept the friction shifting in the rear, this would be easier? No removing any other components other than the rear derailleur and the cassette for the cues?
That's funny to see this right after I pulled the Acera rear derailleur off my old mountain bike and threw it on this mixed build tripple bike when the Ultegra derailleur it came with didn't have the capacity needed to handle the triple and the 11-28 cassette. Just put 30 miles on it and it was smooth as butter.
11spd SLX(& above) in 2x can do 40t officially & 45t un-officially & I've seen those going like $50 in the used market. From the data I've seen the 12spd SLX+ in 2x maxes out at 45/46t officially, but not sure what it is unofficially. Haven't priced a used one yet, but if I can run it as a 11 or 10spd with brifters+jtek that would great with a 44/28t cassette. It would be worth checking these models out or seeing if the 2x12 cage can be swapped to other Shimano RD like the excellent work you did with Sram's stuff.
Still patiently waiting for shimano to release dropbar levers for their shimano cues
Love the low key mad-scientist-in-the-lab vibes, Russ
good that it works well. As it is a 2x8 has really got to be the "entry level" decent range 2x. On a x7 you're limited to like, a 34t with a mega-range freewheel, where as once you hit 8 you can get 40+ cassettes, as silly as that can get for distance between gears. So you'd be wanting a 3x7 or a 2x8 to get the range, unless you have any tips for what to do if you find yourself converting a bike with a freewheel. Other than "don't" or "replace the wheels" of course :P
Though I've been running a knock-off goatLink to get my sora to handle a 40. I wonder if this one can make it to a 46+ with the same, though you do end up with fun on the small gears then
I love content like this. You truly are the hacker of drivetrains😂
Russ, Do you mind specifying what front derailleurs are shown on the Supersomething and Hardtack in this video?
I agree that clutches on gravel bikes are not always necessary. I’m running a retro m952 rd and I’ve had no issues with chain slap even going down trails
This episode should be archive in peak mechanical playlist 👍🏼
This is not the only RUclips bike channel to sing the praises of the Acera. But you did a better job expounding on its merits. Well done
this is perfect timing
im selling my mountain bike with a 50t 9s on and want to keep my rapid rise for my next bike and have been looking for a good cheap derailleur to sell it with
i think this will be perfect and i know full well a derailleur like this can handle a 9s 50t with a hanger extension (or maybe without one if im lucky)
Shimano are always massively conservative with the maximum sprocket size their rear mechs. I use similar set up but with current R7000 105 rear mech which gives 11 speed for under £60 - My set up is 11-40T 11 speed cassette and 30-46T up front (crankset is ultegra triple set up as a subcompact double)
Always happy to see a vid from the cave of bad ideas.
Russ if you get a chance, check the SunRace RD-M10. It's a 10$, steel, friction-only derailleur that even Riv sells. According to them: "Frictions up to 8, Wraps 35 teeth, Max rear cog, 28t, Wt: 255g"
i have an older Alivio on a 40 tooth x 11 tooth with a one by...
Hello! I don't want to sound too greedy but... Did anyone try to run this M3020 with the Shimano Essa 11-45 cassette and a 46-30 Cues crankset 😏?
Quote of the day "the cave of bad ideas". Love it, thanks for the content and honesty.
Oh i feel i must mention that my previous derailleur was b-twin that came with the bike. I also paired the new derailleur with a set of shimano ef-500 rapid fire brake/shift levers and man i love them! I ride a medium decathlon rockrider100 with a 3x7 setup. Am currently contemplating a new crank set. I am a shimano fan boy. Have been since I was a kid so I tend to stick with that brand. Alternately I would love to get a internally geared or CV rear hub but... I absolutely hate re spoking wheels.🤷♂
Your 2x setup is sick and looks good too!
I've been thinking about replacing my rear mech to accomodate a bigger low gear and it's been stressing me out. Currently running an 8-speed 1x with a Sora 3400 rear mech from my snapped road bike. Most of them are 9-12 speed but I'm not looking to upgrade so this is perfect, thank you! Looking for one online rn. but still curious about the Essa tho 😁
The derailleur clutch isn't a stronger spring. It's a mechanism that adds friction to the derailleur's movement. Shimano has a plastic clamp that adds friction. Sram has a bearing with a nylon bushing. No springs involved.
Awesome tips for side stepping component compatibility issues, reducing costs, extending riding options, great content thanks ……………subscribed and liked