Why is No One Talking About this Drivetrain?
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
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Seriously mindblowing. I didn't even believe it when I chose it for my Adventure Bike build. Like, seriously, too good to be true. I had a mini anxiety attack the night before filming my build video thinking I'd get it on the bike and learn I was an idiot to think it would work. Well...it works, and it works GREAT! And they say it's 3x more durable? I mean...why even bother with the other stuff. I'm officially a fan of 11 speed CUES.
You're that farmer dude🤙🏼
Lets see if it works after 3 or 4 years.
@@kaffeemitcola6506 it will work after 30 or 40 years
@@kaffeemitcola6506 it will. The low end Shimano stuff like this will lasts longer than the high end stuff.
@@CruiserBrah Time will tell…. Und ich drücke die Daumen dafür(crossing my fingers) According to chains maybe you are Right but if I compare the old high end stuf, old XT and XTR 9 Speed that I still use on some of my bikes that I have for >25 years now or 10 Speed Ultegra 13 years old, the low end stuff now with the same gears from the last years sadly and obviously was not reaching anything like that. 🤞🏼Long lasting parts are everything I and most cyclists wish but somehow I only saw a trend to bring out stuff showing the opposite.
This is seriously the only direction the industry can go to stay viable, making it affordable and versitile.
There is such a huge amount of folks like myself that could never afford these ridiculously high prices like those derailleurs and these other bikes/components on the market.
Outpricing people is insane and not sustainable. Hopefully Cues sets a new industry trend so more people have access to good quality cycling!
Agreed, unfortunately the industry doesnt seem to be slowing down the price point increases, though theres plenty of people like us not willing or able to meet those price points, theres still loads of people out there spending tons of money on all the newest tech as it comes out.
Thats why Ive been buying mostly secondhand stuff to build/maintain my bikes 🤣
I can afford it and still don’t find AXS worth the money, I’ll take this over the super light, high end, fast wearing stuff all day. Rider makes more difference than a few hundred grams.
This information is way more valuable than other channels
I work in a bike shop, and the insights and knowledge you give into Cues, I'm sure will cover this donation. I'm super curious to see how drop bar cues pans out!
I've gotten lazy with maintenance which is why I love my Pinion and belt drive, but this is impressive stuff from Shimano. If I go back to traditional drive train, this is probably the way to go. Would love to see more about it!
Cues is pretty awesome. In a brilliant stroke of genius, Shimano gave it a lame name to prevent it from cannibalizing its other product lines.
My 3x9 system has 910% bandwith with rear 11-50 and front 48-32-24 😅
A mixed system of mtb components in the rear and road in the front.
Like rd-m7000 as the rear derailleur.
I was going to comment this. My 3x 9-speed with an 11-50 has crazy range and everyone in the bike industry acts like it doesn't exist. It baffles me.
It surely isn't the best option for a lot of applications and people, but as an overweight person who also loads their bike and lives in a hilly area, I need the low gears. As someone who loves mashing down hills, I need high gears. There are no-no gears, but I don't mind having to avoid cross-chaining. So yeah, not for everyone, but perfect for me.
@@firehazard1792 i have both. Some hills and flat streets. I make that bike to my needs and i must push 120 kg ( with steel bike) the hills up.
I dont say anything about the Industrie
and my bike? I dont thing that my mix mullet setup would someone buy.
I use parts outside any specs from shimano.
Its bad that everywhere the 1x drivetrain is hyped and said its the best.
For me is crap. 1x is only specific on hill or road but not both.
I run a 3 x 10 with a very similar configuration on my older mtb and it works fine. It feels as though the industry decided 25 years ago how low a bottom gear should be and has stuck within that framework ever since.
Again I’m probably atypical but I live in a hilly area, am an older parent at 50 and regularly take my young kids out on the trailer or shotgun seat. There is no such thing as too low a gear.
Interesting!🤔What cassette? Would that setup work with economy brifters, like Microshift R9?
Personally, for my monstercross daypack build, I would probably go with something like 40-30-22 on an 11-42 for a shorter chain that slaps less when jumped.. and, in personal experience, anything over 100 gear inches off road is "being ambitious" at best, while the tween gear-inch ratios on the low end help spin uphill on a single track without getting out of the saddle.. But, that's very IMHO/YMMV.
It's a shame the industry decided to brush the 3x drivetrains under the rug -- they're not that much heavier or complex than a 2x!
@@-Gothicgirl- Oh sorry, I know you weren't talking about the bike industry. I probably should have made my own comment instead of hitching on to yours. My mullet road bike is very similar to yours and I think it would serve the needs of other people too.
I guess you could say Shimano did Create a Unique Experience,,,
Ha. Its slowly growing on me.
LOL
That is indeed something one could say...
Hi Russ Shimano have made a number of extremely wide range drive trains over the last few years but the media does not seem interested and only because of my own interest and backpacking bikes up of fitted them to a number of my bikes.
First there was Shimano XT 3x11, then the Shimano XT 2x12 and lower end models of these twodrive trains.
I learned about the Shimano Cues in early 2021 because of my love of extreme gear range drive trains and the local Shimano rep who knew I would be one of the few that would like the new product range.
There is a number of road bike shifters coming to suit this group set .
And it’s a way of shops not having to carry so much product to be able to fix more customers bikes.
Unfortunately, because of a severe Brain Injury from an accident (would’ve been dead if I had not been wearing a helmet) and having to stop working and riding I forgot all about it.
There was a timeframe some of the information I got to see with different parts of the group System being released .
I like curly bars. GIVE US THE CUES BRIFTERS damn it! (I mean Shimano not you Russ!)
Awesome, can’t wait for the results with drop bar shifters!
A gear range is only up to Russ’ standards when he doesn’t ever have to shift into the small ring. He just likes knowing it’s there, ready and willing.
If you ride with a loaded bike, you'll definitely use the small ring
@@crafty_matt or if you’re an aging fella with bad knees trying to wean himself off 7 years of e-biking!
Thank you. Once again im going back to the drawing board on a project with this info. Love the channel.
SHIMANO ACERA Rear Derailleur 8-speed RD-M3020-8 long *25, Shimano HG51 8-Speed Cassette (11-32) *20, Front Derailleur Altus FD-M310 3x7/8 * 20, Shimano M361 Hybrid Crankset *35 (42-22 bolt on chain rings), 9 speed chain for more wiggle room on friction shifters *20. this is what im rocking, loving it, dont break the bank either. the cage still has some room to tweak a higher high or lower low if needed. 4.82-.69
Do you mean 3.82? Haven't worked it out exactly but 42-11 is definitely less than 4 :-)
@@The1trueDave yup, 3.82. numbers are hard sometimes. lol
I've been using 2x Cues system now for 2000-2500 km with friction shifting and of course Uno for the rear derailleur. Originally I had 10 speed cassette at the back, but the gears never felt like they were on. I think it was somehow my fault, but still I put on an 8 speed cassette and since it's worked flawless. At least for friction I like it that Cues derailleur is perhaps a bit rough when it changes, because it's easier for me to know when it's making the changes. Yesterday I rode 52 km including 20 km gravel and the rest pavement in about 1h 50min. My Singular Peregrine sure ain't the lightest of the bikse and I had my Carradice Nelson and a frame bag full of stuff and that's all the speed I will ever need. From my experience Cues works flawlessly. All this remainds me that I learned everything about Cues and friction shifting from this channel, so it's time to go to Patreon. Thank you, Russ, for all of your work!
I've been running 1x9 CUES for a while now (U4000 rear, U6000 front), and I can confirm that is quite nice, even great, I could say. The shifting is lighyears away compared to other cheap-o 1x9's. And the 11-46T cassette is more than enough for me (32T front)
When I saw the title of the video I KNEW you'd be talking about CUES. A while back Rivendell offered a 9-speed CUES deraileur AND shifter for $10 (just checked, still available) which I bought. In order to make it work I bought a 2x CUES square taper 40-24 crankset, an 11-36 9-speed CUES cassette, A CUES front shifter and chain. All in for about $100. As soon as they turn off the blowtorch in my garage (I live near Phoenix) I'm gonna install it on a 90s Trek mountain bike just to see how it works.
Looks like I found my crank for my wide range double! Thank you Russ!
Great discussion and I agree cues is a good affordable option and I used the 6000 series cues 2x11 to convert my old Giant CRX1 hybrid bike without changing the 50/34 chainrings.
Shifting is smooth and reliable unlike my 1x12 bike.
Here is a summary:
GIANT CRX 1, 50/34T, 11-28T 10 SPEED Conversion to Cues 6000 - (2X11)
CASSETTE: SHIMANO LINKGLIDE Cassette 11-speed 11-45T [Model No: CS-LG400-11],
DERAILLEUR: REAR SHIMANO CUES SHADOW RD 11-SPEED [Model No: RD-U6020-11],
SHIFTER: SHIMANO CUES RAPIDFIRE PLUS SHIFTER CLAMP BAND 11-SPEED [Model No: SL-U6000-11R]
Chain - 10/11-speed LINKGLIDE Chain [Model No: CN-LG500]
This is the content we need! Really helpful and surprising, thanks for highlighting this - especially in a world of high priced road spec shifters gravel bikes.
This kind of content is why I support your Patreon channel.
Mainstream ignores this because it's not electronic, and not in top level road/ MTB racing.
Appreciate the info. Still rocking 3x9s
Thank you, Russ, for the excellent info. I love your videos.
Panorama are bike packing specialists. They are a Canadian brand not far from where I live and they have engineers who are looking to create unique, purpose-specific steel adventure bikes for the back roads, at very competitive prices for the recreational cyclist. They are a small company and if you write them, you get an answer from someone who is building the bikes. It is very understandable to me why they chose CUES because low price and useful gearing is what they aim for. They are 650b fans too and offer steel forks. I have no connection with the company, but am considering building up a bike from them, because of the details in their stock frames.
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Mindblowing ! I had no idea about this
Wow! Thanks for that! I’m looking to build adventure bike and this is mega helpful!
By far the MOST INFORMATIVE VIDEO EVER. No one comes close, this man just plainly tells the truth.
Thanks!
This bike ticked all the boxes I’d identified for my first “analog” bike after 7 years on a Class 1 e-bike (I’m 75 and have bad knees). I have bike serial number 000005, and I’m loving it!
Even if I could have afforded the Pinion I would have had a hard time deciding.
Thank you so much, really interesting video, wanna more like this!
Hey Russ, great and informative content as always, I love to see as Shimano cues Vs Microshift Sword groupset comparison/stand off….thanks for all the content!
My wife's rim brake road bike from 2015 has a Deore 36/22 crankset with a 11-42 cassette on the back and it works with a short cage rear derailleur and a road link.
Did she watch a lot of durianrider videos? He made that hack popular back then for people trying Everesting and epic climbing rides. I'm not sure it works as well with modern short cage stuff but the old parts are out there going cheap...
Way cool info...........thanks Russ, for the content you provide.
While I'm not in the market (nor much interested) in any new/current drivetrain bits, it's always great to know what's out there and available, especially when it's something odd and actually useful for folks such as ourselves.
My own setup, on my do-everything touring/gravel/utility/cruising/commuting bike, looks like this:
3 x 9 drivetrain.
Cooks E Cranks with 20/32/42 chainrings.
Older Shimano "mega-9" derailleurs.
"Shimano" 11-36, 9x cassette, (actually one of the various chinese knock-offs that works just fine).
Microshift 9x thumbshifters (with my own custom-bodged mounts so that they work on my Cowchipper drop bars)\
9x Connex chain.
(note: that I'm running 700x50c tires) (note also that I'm using a Phil bb, so that I can dial in a perfect chainline...important when running 3x chainrings)
16.32 to 104.16 gear inches...........612% spread.
As damn near perfect for me and my needs as it gets.
I’m happy Shimano is coming out with more reasonably priced components and (perhaps) more cross-compatible components. I wish they were better looking. It used to be that drive train components added to the looks of a bike. Now they detract.
They don't want to give it ALL to you.... necessary to have lust for the $$$ gear! And it works!
Since 6 years I use a 22/36 (10 speed) Shimano crankset with 11 speed 11-50 cassette with a S-Ride RD-M500 rear derailleur and Shimano 11 speed chain. It works perfectly since more than 16000 kilometers with even a bigger range. We need the small gear for our fully packed bike packing trips in the alps...
I'm running an 11s cues "kit" (rear derailleur, 11-45, chain and trigger) with the bike's original 24-34-42 crankset on my commuter. Only complaint is downshift is only two gears max per stroke (still miss my XT 4 max per stroke from the late 90s).
Imagine Campagnolo creating Cues instead od Shimano. The futures that would open
I have 2x10 XTR on my XC bike and it is amazing. I have all the low and top I need. I can run a 42t front which on flat gives me almost road bike speed. I think a lot of people have trouble understanding front derailures. I meet a lot of soo called cyclists that can't figure out how gears actually work. 1x is fisherprice for beginners. Sure it's lighter..but when you get to 13 and 14 speed it isn't really..and the range still isn't all there.
AWESOME INFO! 😎💯👍
You should check out the Dutch company that tests all these drivetrains. They finally allowed a reviewing test mechanic to release the information publicly. It's very interesting. SRAM being the slowest and their top spec AXS XO is slower than their cheaper XX. They didn’t want to upset any manufacturers over the years. They do a lot of testing for chains as well for stuff they use that needs to be running perfectly. Shimano XT was the fastest out of Shimano's drivetrains on the dynos and computer graphs, wind tunnels, etc. If I can find it in my history, I'll come back and attach the link to the video. It’s definitely something everyone needs to see.
Pretty cool! ...and a Panorama. I better get mine before they get too popular. Beautiful bikes!
yep this is what I need
I feel guilty rooting for Cues trying unify the 9-11 space in Road, Utility and MTB. My bikes live in the 7-8 space because it's forgiving and they play nice.
I'm loving the Cues 2x setup on our Bridgeclub project. It just works and is an incredible value. I'm still rooting for Microshift in this category but it's good that Shimano is also focused on producing good products in this price range.
I wish you brought this out earlier lol 😂 I have been struggling to get my 2x cues system to work on a 11 to 48 cassette. I currently have gear positions that I stay out of because of chain length too short and too long. I am going to give the 8020 a go to hopefully get more gear options with less risk to damaging something. Thanks again for your content.
I wish I would have known this sooner. I spent more than enough on A new group set for my surly trucker build.
Nice one dude!
I am running a 38-28, 11-34 Alivio. If i "downgraded" to Shimano 8-speed Acera, i could use CS-HG400-8 11-45 cassette and a matching Acera derailleur. That's been available before Cues came into the scene. Can get even more range if i go 3X.
Range is not everything, that's why i'm sticking to my current Alivio setup. Won't even bother getting the 11-36 cassette, or maybe i'd get one if i upgraded to a 46-30 crankset.
Danke!
I'm excited to see if you can make it work with brifters! It sounds like the dream setup for me!
626% on my gravel setup with old 9 speed deore derailleur and cranks. But old parts are getting hard to find so this setup is ideal for those wanting new equipment
What cassette are you running?
@@roebust Able to get an 11-42 cassette with 36/22 cranks. No derrailleur hanger extender required, just needed a longer b screw. And w/9 speed can use my 105 shifters.
That Essa derailleur looks neat, kind of fills the same niche as the Sunrace RDM900 that I think you've looked at before. I've been using the Sunrace on a 9 speed gravel conversion for a bit so waiting to see if it holds up as well as the generally bombproof Shimano stuff
After coming back from a wonderful rail trail tour that trashed my GX-NX Eagle, I am so ready for 2x10 CUES with friction shifting on my Surly Bridge Club. The bike needs to do fully loaded touring but do great on long day hill country dirt road and gravel. My commuter will still be 8 speed Alfine but that is getting around town with groceries.
Do you feel the Alfine is not up to touring for some reason? I have been getting interested in the idea of internal gear hubs and belt drives for the purpose of reducing maintenance, but kind of need a bike that will do everything (mostly commuting, but also bikepacking) apart from actual mountain biking.
That in mind, I am trying to collect opinions about both components.
@@joelhenderson3723 No I don’t think the Alfine is up to the torque or range of gears for loaded touring. The is a RUclipsr, Cycling About, that covers this is a very experienced and knowledgable way.
The few reviews I'm finding really support it for touring and cross country riding. Like, off road cross country. It isn't the fastest, but it's super consistent. I actually just upgraded my 12 year old to a 1x11 cues and it's great. 40t in the front and 11-45 in the back. Up to 8% grades, up or down, I'm only using like 4 or 5 of them. When i pushed the shifting on the downhill, it never felt like I had to "lever into it." The bottom bracket and crankset feel really nice, too. Very smooth pedaling and a solid power transfer. But like people have said, marketed as an included product line and for e-bikes, so no press for the broader uses when it's apparently pretty bomb proof for touring, urban, moderate trail riding, etc.
Thanks 🙏
Ei rus, been watching ur reviews bout wide range for a while, it seems good for a daily commute.. Recently, just built mine with crank set 2x (42/28) combined with 11-46t cassette (11spd) & my RD is shimano m-6000 (10spd). And guess what, it works smooth, just got inspired with all of your test combinations. Thanks
One big downside is that they are listed as riveted. Though the crank really isn't the interesting part here. The derailleur and cassette should work with any mtb double or square taper 3x converted to double
Or Shimano Octalink or SRAM/Truvativ Power Spline. Lots of lightly used ones on eBay.
I came here to say the same thing. A pretty crappy (and heavy) throwaway crank, IMHO.
@@watertankhikes You will almost never see an influencer promoting the use of anything but brand new items.
I may pick up a rear der and a cassette or two. Thanks for the idea.
@@ericginsburg7192 the cassettes are heavy, due to teeth thickness; they seem to be designed to hold up to ebike mid-motors. And a bike mechanic told me that cog-chamge on shifts are slow, largely due to cassette design; "good for his commuter bike, but not his trail bike".
When I seen the title I thought you would talk about forgotten 3x11 Deore drivetrain. 2x CUES looks interesting given the price but I still think 2x GRX mullet can get you roughly same range. You can find more bikes with GRX 2x11 drivetrain.
For the mullet builds, I want to see what can be done with mish mash of parts that use Campy Ekar to make real adventure 2x13 dropbar setup
Would love to see if this work with brifters
Been riding 1x Linkglide XT on my Omnium for around a year and put on 3-4k miles - won't ride anything else in the future. Shifts super smooth and doesn't break.
Great stuff. I'd be interested in seeing you cobble together a dropbar setup with this. I recently upgraded from friction shifters to 2×7 LTwoo brifters on my entry-level tourney bike and the improvement in shifting was incredible l. Now im chomping at the bit for the next affordable upgrade
But only in 170 or 175mm crank arm lengths. When will major manufacturers ever get out of this mindset of not offering shorter lengths?
YEA! Good stuff...
I did a tour here in the Philippines where i jumbled up a mini velo with 20x1.95 tires and a triple crank set 48/34/24 and 11-40 cogset. The idea is that i do not want to push a bike due to my lower back pain. As long i am within walking speed i am good pedaling than pushing. Not sure how to compute the gear ratio but i think mine is way bigger than the cues but the topic is production indexed groupset so mine don't count.
Cool information.
Shimano is so close to the perfect group set.
This is excellent info dude.. no idea why everyone’s not raving about this well done for getting it out there buddy.. it’s a shame no road bike shifter versions 😊 🚴♀️🚴🏻😊👍 Pete
Knew it was Cues before you said it was Cues. That drivetrain is pretty amazing for the price point. I put two of the 6000 series ones on my kids' mountain bikes. Shifter, derailleur, chain and cassette cost me less than 150 in total per set and they work great! I have no idea why Shimano is so quiet about them and why you can barely get them aside from ebay or something. If you want to upgrade an old bike for not a lot of money, these are amazing.
That ESSA info is quite handy, as I still run a 2x9 drivetrain!
Damn wish they had this for drop bar aswell, seems like a great deal for gravel to have a nice bailout gearing
I initially thought Cues (i didnt like the name) was going to be lame so I stand humbly corrected. Finally subcompact cranks on a budget. Awesome Thank you for doing the legwork. (pun intended)
Russ, I don't know if you have tested it before, but Microshift make a 10-speed Shimano MTB compatible rear derailleur, the RD-M62L. It has 47T capacity, and up to 42T cassette supported. Pair that with a 40/26 crankset, and you also get a massive range!
47t capacity? WHAT
@@jurekgadzinowski2895 the Micro shift 10 speed comes with a cassette that si 11-48, not 11-47.. at least the one i rode a few years ago. The cassette was almost positively made by Sunrace as all the cogs are the exact same teeth number and construction and assembled exactly like the Sunrace cassette, , with the exception of the largest cog at 48t instead of the 46t sunrace. BTW, I visited the Taipei Sunrace factory in Taipei in 2019 ( I had an 8 hour layover at the airport and looked them up.. they were only 4 kilometers away from the airport). They were very cordial when I showed up unannounced at the security gate house.The guard called up and they came out, met me, took me inside and showed me their newest products and chatted with me for about forty five minutes. They seemed slightly surprised to hear just how successful I had been racing their 11-46t cassette on my 3 x 10 xc bike.
@@jurekgadzinowski2895 Shimano's Deore XT has the same capacity (RD-T8000-SGS), but it supports up to 36T cassette, because it's designed for a 3x10 drivetrain.
As a mechanic, I told it a few times, to my customers!
3 x 10 was perfect, and the last " allmost" perfect drive train was 2 x 11! Now, with the Cues Cassette, even more reliable
669%? Nice.
does the 45T 11speed cassette work with the 46-30 crankset as well? or just the 36-22 one?
3x7 friction shifter system works fine for majority of rides. But most of the times we wanna the shinny, new, good things in our bikes.
Well, not me; I still use an oldschool mechanic 10speed Campagnolo barend shifter converted to 11 speed to be able to use a perfect stepped 11-23 11speed cassette, but the rest of the components are also still the same nice and goodlooking Campagnolo Record carbon 10 speed components, including square taper Record carbon cranks, all on my beloved cherry-red metallic Giant Cadex CFR. The new things may be shiny, but not good; newer does not necessarily mean better. For me the new components look all the same, you need to take a closer look wether it is Shimano, or Campagnolo, just like with modern cars.
True. I have 3x9 alivio for my first bike, then got tiagra 2x10, and deore 1x11. The gear for alivio was tight enough for cadence, and wide enough for climbing gravel.
I put a 1x 10 together recently and cues was actually the cheapest clutch rear derailleur I could find locally. My only concern, the pull ratio. You mention in this and previous videos. If I have a problem somewhere remote with the derailleur... I love in Australia though and must assume the lbs anywhere hopefully have cues in store
Rockin Sram eTap Rival 2x12 with a GRX 30/46 crank (wide FD) and the 10-36 cassette for 552% range (eagle chain). Not cheap but tight spacing, flawless shifting, and blip buttons on my aero bars (run them when bike packing). It's about as perfect as it gets for a drop bar go fast bike.
I can still get parts for my 3×10 Mtb. The prices I found in a general sports store are: 10x cassette Deore HG50 11-36 €40. Rear shifter + derailleur Deore/SLX S6000 10 speed €25 + €55. Add to that the mentioned 2x crank at €28 plus a 2x shifter. Deore, while middle of the line quality, after 25k of off-roading I've only changed the cassete twice, a few chains, one rear shifter and one crankshaft bearings. I'm not a powerful biker though, prefer higher cadence before power pedalling. My gear range is typical for a 3x10, not as wide as the mentioned one but then one can only go so slowly uphill before falling over or too fast on a non-road bike. I enjoy my small gear jumps though. So, yes, you can get cheap parts to make an all-around usable bicycle. Get a nice frame and go for it.
Shimano has wide range 2x11 and 2x12 in Deore, SLX, XT and XTR as well. And had it for ages but nobody talked about them as well. So they've just continued it into the CUES range.
Yeah, but the HG cassettes marketed for 2x use only go to 42T, and the rear derailleurs don't have the capacity that the CUES rear derailleur has. That said CUES is too heavy for my liking.
@@watertankhikes - 2x cassettes are 10-45. With 36-26 chainrings it gives 623% of range.
Wouldn't it also be interesting to test whether the 1x Microshift Derailleur can be combined with a 2x up front? I'd love you to test it!
You are the to-go channel for the "real rider". This is an interesting find.
What I am looking for is a fairly wide range 8, 9 or max. 10 gear system with one chain ring. I do not mind somewhat wider gear steps, as I am not a racer or mountain climber, or out to optimize cadence under all condition. The hole thing with reasonable durability and a reasonable price.
Hmm. I think I need this. Now what bike do I put it on
Consider the Jtek shiftmate for using brifters. I got the Shiftmate 6 to allow my DiaCompe friction shifter that can do 11spd road to have enough cable pull for the CUES 8020. Pretty sure the 6 is the one you need for 10 or 11 spd shifters. CUES seems to use 1.05 as their pull ratio
Love your not so mainstream content! Do you have any idea where to get 165mm cranksets? Shimano seems to do only 170 and 175mm, except for road groupsets.
Dixna La Crank or Spa Cycles.
Thanks Russ. Really interesting. I recently bought an ebike and I thought it might have cues on it because I thought that was a big reason for cues being developed. But none of the ebikes I looked at had cues available. I wonder if/when they will?
I've got a triple chainring on my Pinion box, which runs to my SRAM Eagle 12spd on top of a Rohloff hub. Simple. Reliable.
See what you did there. Back in the day there was a company that offered an extra-small fourth chainring, how about adding that and switching to a 13-speed Campagnolo- or Rotor-setup? It will increase your number of available gears from 3x18x12x14 (9,072) to 4x18x13x14 (13,104)!
The expensive parts and bikes are made as luxury stuff for fun, but most people are not willing to pay a lot of money for cycling.
We actually enjoy cycling and maintaining our gears, besides we feel safe both when setting up our bike, and the probable break down we may face in the middle of nowhere in the future.
Unfortunately I haven't seen a reliable bike shop around; one sold me a chain which worked less than 100 miles.! The others didn't have clear and ample information about the bike but trying to sell me parts and group sets which didn't know correctly. Even the one who was introduced by Shimano as a dealer for its parts wasn't qualified either.
Thank you for the information, we have to search, collect information and make our right bike at the optimal price. 👍
@bikefarmer just installed CUES on his latest bike and touted the huge range. No drop-bar shifters yet though, right?
I’ve been paying attention to what gears I really need mountain biking and I believe I can get by with only 450%. With a 10-45 SLX 12 speed and a 26t chainring (not common, but I can get them for certain cranks). This gets me 16.8-75.4 gear inches. If I need a lower gear, I get off and push. I don’t need a higher gear as I don’t ride pavement and I don’t like to pedal at high speeds on dirt - coasting is safer.
On the drop bar conversion, I looked at the pull ratios and it seems like SRAM mechanical Exact Actuation brifters may work. If you have a right Force or Rival 22 right brifter, that would be cool. Cheers.
I suppose you could easily pair up with a low-end MTB triple crankset - but it does require square tapered BB.
A bit less modern. but cheaper and wider range + square tapered BB tend to last long
Sounds fantastic! What friction shifters will work with this 2x setup?
Riv silver bar end will work for the front derailleur but you’ll need an Uno shifter or Microshift 12spd in friction.
@@PathLessPedaledTV seems like a good reason for an Uno shifter in bar end configuration!
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Shimano is not advertising it coz they dont want people to buy more of the cheaper stuff...😅
I run 9 speed Sora and a short cage rear mech. An Alivio 11-36 cassette works (as long as you don't try big ring big cog). The alivio long cage mech I bought could probably squeeze out to 46t.
You do know that Shimano has had 550+% range gears for a long time. SLX XT and XTR all have 2X options. They all have 45-10 cassette options with 28/38 or 26/36 upfront. And if you really want to get wild. You can get it to run with different chain ring combinations for even more range. How is cues a surprise?
I do know. This is for the people duped by the promises of 1x.
I have myself a tiny little 16 incher folding bike that I set up with an 11/25 cassette and paired it with a 50/34 chainring but I’m still spinning out regardless. Will it be a good idea to swap the chainring to a 60 tooth and pair with an 11/40 cassette?
Sensah 2x12 road shifters using there 1x11 rear derailer. I have a 11-46 cassette (I like small steps).
The reason this gets ignored is that too many people want the higher spec groups and simultaneously, they abandoned the concept of front shifting and won’t or can’t possibly go back.