So we're not gonna talk about the fact that Onin has also a pocket Ike that can literally swape two melee veteran players 😂 ? Great video btw, I know that a lot of people in the Ultimate scene hates Steve, but Onin is such a great guy, so cool to see you guys give some credit to them.
Listen, it took 4 of you to take a stock off Skyjay. And this is one of the best doubles players piloting the best character in the game by far, and with wacky mechanics in his bag of tricks that remain unheard of for the realm of Melee. I'm sorry, I'd like to believe, but the odds are stacked against you. Edit: Oh, wow, you actually took one! NICE JOB!
I would say that Steve actually isn't super strong in Doubles format, so the fact that Zain and Mokey still couldnt pull it off makes this extremely funny to me.
In a 2v1 I agree, since he's pressured so much that it's hard to get mats or even rebuild broken tools. However, with a teammate Steve is absolutely broken.
If it's Steve vs 2 players, then steve should lose. He does have fast and strong moves but he will run out of resources too quickly. If it's 2v2 then ya he's very good.
onin is good and all, but the difference between him and Acola is unbelievable. ik it would be hard, but I would like to see how you fair against the number one steve player, and the number one player in the world
Ok Zain threw for content that last game, he SD'd twice in ways where the mechanics are exactly similar to melee and it's not possible to be stupid enough, as a top melee player, to not recognize the situation lol
I think the building is cool but FUCK dude it should get destroyed by one smash attack's worth of damage (roughly). The fact that two people have to be whaling on it to approach shows how ass it is
God you cant go one video without a player just whining and bitching about steve. How does steve have more people bitching than bayonetta and meta knight despite being the worse character? The answer is that ultimate fans suck.
@@kayden2119 A characters Toxicity is independent of their tier list placement, but smash wasn't designed to be a competitive game so there's always gonna be people criticizing the game's design
@@pandapandasenketsu3473 I understand what you mean and sure maybe in this comment I am wrong and this person really is just talking about a toxic character but in most cases in these comments sections it just seems like people are whining that Steve is too good especially with the whole ban steve talk. It gives ultimate players a bad rep when 80% of the player base seems to only be able to complain as an answer to a character.
@@kayden2119I'd be fine with Steve being the best character in the game if he used the games systems to its fullest. To list the mechanics that Steve removes from ultimate: DI with their jab (note that you can only DI in tumble, not the air stagger weak moves gives you), ladders and sharking with block up air combos, ledge control with guaranteed flowcharts, above ledge vulnerability with minecart, leaving the ground state from with rolling minecart (every other ground move in the game leaves you actionable very quickly after leaving ground, minecart leaves you actionable at the apex), and probably most of all, the concept of neutral and stage control with block walls that take the time of a single IDJ to set up. I love watching fox, I love watching corrin, hell I enjoy watching ROB most of the time, I really love playing this game when my opponent and I are both interacting with the systems the game gives us. The reason I don't enjoy Steve isn't that he's broken good, it's that he removes that joy I get from interacting with the game's mechanics to maximize my openings, control the stage, and understand the roles of me and my opponent in each match. TLDR, Steve isn't just broken good, he literally breaks Ultimate's solid set of neutral and advantage systems.
@@opossumonline so he lied or watched on 1.25x or faster? That's atrocious to comment something "genuine" while provably having a loss of integrity!! I'm joking btw, this is not a loss of integrity lol and it's amusing
steve isn't a part of the original ult which is the competitive version of the game. Similarly how Nintendo later released PAL version of Melee that nobody uses to compete on in modern times. Similarly any character that you have to pay money for after the release of ultimate is simply not competitive. I don't know what the ult community decided to do but I assume they play on the original patch using offline mode switch and version control, of course playing whatever version they want at various times depending on the situation, but leaving the competitive games to the original release, just like we did with Melee. I mean I can only assume that Steve isn't an allowed character in competitive, nor any other character made after the release of the game and sold like a little virus into the software for extra money, an ult2.0, then ult3.0 and so on, but ult is just the original ult. Obviously if people want to play for fun and get owned by a vicious steve they can always play ult-Steve-Patch-Addition, but it's not like they are playing "Ultimate", keep in mind they're playing a new game BASED on ultimate called "Ultimate-Steve_Patch_Addition" or Kazuya version, etc. Obviously the truly competitive version would be Ultimate, not 'Ultimate patch number seven edition' or whatever. So Steve isn't infuriating, because it's inherently non-competitive to fight against him because it's not the original game, it's just some other patch or release paid money on top of everything else to use. Endermen on the other hand, ... jk lol, Enderman was not in the original Ult but bro imagine if he was, that's the start of ANY video involving characters created after the game was made and downloaded like little "Oh I wish we had done things differently, maybe in another universe, maybe right now I can load my little packet into your switch and it will add a brand new character hehehehehe" like bro that was NEVER competitive that's just some after thought type of shit.
@@PalPlays Speedrun community plays mario 64 on N64 which has additional lag due to compiler error which was fixed in wii but the most popular speedrun is still N64. Melee community plays the original release despite Nintendo releasing an afterthought patch of "ohh this is how Falco's downair would have worked if we had another chance to modify the game" but No, the PAL version of the game is not played competitively. I don't know why you would think my take is incorrect when it is simply founded on the competitive pillars of Nintendo.
@@Valentinesdayghost I can see why people complain about it. I don't even play ult at all, just melee here and there. I'm going to make a custom melee character and call it "Robbie" and just make it OP and be like ohhhh lol yeah of course Robbie is in Melee, nahh nahh it's not in the original release lmao but you can attach it to you game if you pay MONEY. Sound familiar? Robbie will store items like Falco's laser, and have a lot of parallels to steve from ult's toolkit. Now obviously they could have buffed all the melee and other characters in ult to make them be able to cope with steve and fight him, but they didn't from what I can tell, unless there's some special way to di all of that build upair build up air etc away at any percent. From what I've heard ult is more of a "you better kill off of a few hits/combos" kind of game at the top level which is very unappealing to me. I strongly prefer the pace of melee which is impossible to have that kind of control when there's a vicious steve in the arena as well, or shall I say Robbie in the arena.. Anyway, you probably wouldn't accept or agree with any of that, maybe saying "Sure but the same company let you pay money to load a broken-on-purpose character made after the release of the game into the data, it's not just some random dude or dudes who made it up and sell it, it's literally the same company" and I would just laugh at how ridiculous of a statement that would be.
dude just wanted 2 say u r fucking super cool with the wish u were here but with falco! also yeah dude like right! isabel sux and he should listen to us and play a good character like STEVE 😂😂🔥🔥
Onin is too good. Steve is definitely a broken character but onin is cracked as well. Sucks that steve will never be nerfed. That character ruined watching ultimate for me. Nearly every grand finals is either steve or sonix and they are both just kinda boring to watch. Maybe smash 6 (is that ever happens) will make steve less of a menace.
You'd think after 3 or 4 losses, zain would try actually playing instead of flapping around like a fish. He played exactly like my coworker, whos never played any smash game.
i dont wanna be a hater like 90% of these comments but it's weird how in the vid it looked like zain had no smash experience despite being top tier in melee. Idk maybe it doesn't translate that well with his playstyle.
honestly I've been kinda living for the "melee player playing ult" content recently
I hope we see some of the reverse: ult players playing melee
@@thebigdug There are a decent amount of videos on ult pros trying melee already.
@@tangerinepaint3643 Void in particular
real, if only all melee players werent so lazy and actually uploaded the content they’re farming☹️
@@thebigdugit’s usually lame
at first I thought this was zains quietest popoff until I realized he maxed his limiter 😭
would’ve been a more even game without onin’s teammate (crafting table) taking so much aggro
ikr i swear he noticed too and would just place the crafting table so the two guys would just wail on it instead of actually fight steve
Moky is actually carrying Zain so hard in these games. The game they won moky took all 3 stocks and Zain took one of moky’s stocks lol
Im still questioning why Moky chose Isabelle
man of culture
Isabelle got swag is why
Cuz he got that dawg in him !
and why did he never do the jab thing
Maybe it came down to her a villager??? Cuz they got the pocket
moky's isabelle was carrying SO HARD omg 😭
this is legit like watching a bossfight
I continue to stand by the fact that Zain is godlike in Melee and absolutely dookie at every other game he touches LMAO.
Honestly it seems true. Also he plays roy like its melee marth when they are nothing alike. He should play lucina or corrin tbh
I mean, you grind enough to become the (arguably) best melee player in the world, you gotta start taking some skill point from other areas lol.
why is your isabelle actually kinda saucy
Onin said Moky hard carried Zain
Every character moky touches has the sauce
Bro I was literally thinking the exact opposite 😭😭
Onin plays like a man possessed in doubles jfc, the neutral and decision making being processed in a 1v2 no less is down right scary at times
"What is he doing to himself, AHHHHH" Real
Legendary throw at the end tho
This is exactly the feeling of playing the good player at a party
😂
2:51 Zain just watches Moky get clipped lol
So we're not gonna talk about the fact that Onin has also a pocket Ike that can literally swape two melee veteran players 😂 ? Great video btw, I know that a lot of people in the Ultimate scene hates Steve, but Onin is such a great guy, so cool to see you guys give some credit to them.
I mean Zain sd twice, don't think he would have won otherwise. He still did very well of course.
His Ike didn't look that great honestly. He was lucky that Zain completely threw it.
Onin is great
biggest throw known to man and ofc zain did it
at the end you should've put up onins tweet saying how you carried tbh
Zain and Mokys screams are the funniest things to me and I have no idea why 😂
Steve ruined Ultimate button.
3:53 JAIR!
I love Smash, and I love watch when the communities get together and play. I miss the old PM days.
The difference is I don't think 2 ultimate pros will even take a stock of Zain in melee.
This is one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in Ultimate. Mad respect to Onin!!!!
there's no signs of it but this feels so passive aggressive lol
Song starting at 13:38 is “You’re Mine” by Carpenter Brut.
The existential horror of "what is he doing to him self?" Is such a mood 😂
I like how the Isabelle worked really well, but at the cost of a "sorry" per exchange
Steve is a boss fight
Next, get another Melee player to join for the 3v1.
I refuse to believe Zain wasn't throwing here
It's quite amusing how little help Zain provides sometimes
I'm crying, this was so funny bro 😂 GGs
Zain threw so hard lol
You didn't get Chillin'd! Big W.
It kills me that Moky, one of the hypest players in the world who plays Fox, choses Isabelle in Ultimate 🤣
Listen, it took 4 of you to take a stock off Skyjay. And this is one of the best doubles players piloting the best character in the game by far, and with wacky mechanics in his bag of tricks that remain unheard of for the realm of Melee.
I'm sorry, I'd like to believe, but the odds are stacked against you.
Edit: Oh, wow, you actually took one! NICE JOB!
Leer tu nombre en un comentario siempre es un jumpscare lmao
Steve really doesn’t thrive in a 2v1 scenario, any other top/high tier would have a lot better time.
Zain going to the ledge at 3:20 is SO funny to me
dude this gameplay is so cool! I really like 2v2 smash, I think everyone need come back to play this mode with a friend...
Moky vs Melee's All-Star mode (and 10 hot sauces). Who you got
So Moky play doubles with Zain in Ult but he doesn't wanna do it on Melee :-(
I would say that Steve actually isn't super strong in Doubles format, so the fact that Zain and Mokey still couldnt pull it off makes this extremely funny to me.
Steve is by far the best character in doubles
Onin believes that Steve is even better in doubles than singles, funnily enough.
In a 2v1 I agree, since he's pressured so much that it's hard to get mats or even rebuild broken tools. However, with a teammate Steve is absolutely broken.
If it's Steve vs 2 players, then steve should lose. He does have fast and strong moves but he will run out of resources too quickly. If it's 2v2 then ya he's very good.
Can M2k just come back and save the melee community’s honor in the realm of ultimate
onin is good and all, but the difference between him and Acola is unbelievable. ik it would be hard, but I would like to see how you fair against the number one steve player, and the number one player in the world
Ya know why couldn't we try this against Bayo in smash 4?
Zarin is using the wrong swordie for how scared he plays lol
Apparently Ike is overpower as well 😂
I haven't watched yet, and I think that the two melee pros will be able to beat the Steve played! I believe in my Moguls! 🙏
Amazing video moky, greetings from Brazil
ZAIN BRO...
zain threw that last game so hard lmao
Ok Zain threw for content that last game, he SD'd twice in ways where the mechanics are exactly similar to melee and it's not possible to be stupid enough, as a top melee player, to not recognize the situation lol
whiffed counter would be recoverable there in melee, airdodge could easily be buffer fuckery
I don’t get this logic. Wouldn’t winning be better content?
0:08 I don’t play either, but this clip was funny asf. 😂
You should play
Steve has got to be one of the most toxic fighting game characters. The building is way too much lol
I think the building is cool but FUCK dude it should get destroyed by one smash attack's worth of damage (roughly). The fact that two people have to be whaling on it to approach shows how ass it is
God you cant go one video without a player just whining and bitching about steve. How does steve have more people bitching than bayonetta and meta knight despite being the worse character? The answer is that ultimate fans suck.
@@kayden2119 A characters Toxicity is independent of their tier list placement, but smash wasn't designed to be a competitive game so there's always gonna be people criticizing the game's design
@@pandapandasenketsu3473 I understand what you mean and sure maybe in this comment I am wrong and this person really is just talking about a toxic character but in most cases in these comments sections it just seems like people are whining that Steve is too good especially with the whole ban steve talk. It gives ultimate players a bad rep when 80% of the player base seems to only be able to complain as an answer to a character.
@@kayden2119I'd be fine with Steve being the best character in the game if he used the games systems to its fullest. To list the mechanics that Steve removes from ultimate:
DI with their jab (note that you can only DI in tumble, not the air stagger weak moves gives you),
ladders and sharking with block up air combos,
ledge control with guaranteed flowcharts,
above ledge vulnerability with minecart,
leaving the ground state from with rolling minecart (every other ground move in the game leaves you actionable very quickly after leaving ground, minecart leaves you actionable at the apex),
and probably most of all, the concept of neutral and stage control with block walls that take the time of a single IDJ to set up.
I love watching fox, I love watching corrin, hell I enjoy watching ROB most of the time, I really love playing this game when my opponent and I are both interacting with the systems the game gives us. The reason I don't enjoy Steve isn't that he's broken good, it's that he removes that joy I get from interacting with the game's mechanics to maximize my openings, control the stage, and understand the roles of me and my opponent in each match.
TLDR, Steve isn't just broken good, he literally breaks Ultimate's solid set of neutral and advantage systems.
Okayyy... Moky's Isabelle is kinda nasty
And zains there too ig...
what is that song at the start of the video, it's bothered me for so long not knowing what that song is
Onin’s parents never taught him not to play with his food.
why is moky low key kinda good at ult
Fucking love this shit. Watched till the end, no fib
Brother the video had not been up for 22 minutes when you commented this
Das righhh
@@opossumonline so he lied or watched on 1.25x or faster? That's atrocious to comment something "genuine" while provably having a loss of integrity!! I'm joking btw, this is not a loss of integrity lol and it's amusing
Moky isabelle got some spice
can 2 top players beat 1 steve, answer is no
who is they?
Glad to see some more Izzy mains!
Finally got some Moist Doubles, but not hiw I expected it, somehow even better
anyone other than zain and it would have been a fair fight smh
ultimate looks so strange.
steve so infuriating sakuri wtf
steve isn't a part of the original ult which is the competitive version of the game. Similarly how Nintendo later released PAL version of Melee that nobody uses to compete on in modern times. Similarly any character that you have to pay money for after the release of ultimate is simply not competitive. I don't know what the ult community decided to do but I assume they play on the original patch using offline mode switch and version control, of course playing whatever version they want at various times depending on the situation, but leaving the competitive games to the original release, just like we did with Melee. I mean I can only assume that Steve isn't an allowed character in competitive, nor any other character made after the release of the game and sold like a little virus into the software for extra money, an ult2.0, then ult3.0 and so on, but ult is just the original ult. Obviously if people want to play for fun and get owned by a vicious steve they can always play ult-Steve-Patch-Addition, but it's not like they are playing "Ultimate", keep in mind they're playing a new game BASED on ultimate called "Ultimate-Steve_Patch_Addition" or Kazuya version, etc. Obviously the truly competitive version would be Ultimate, not 'Ultimate patch number seven edition' or whatever. So Steve isn't infuriating, because it's inherently non-competitive to fight against him because it's not the original game, it's just some other patch or release paid money on top of everything else to use. Endermen on the other hand, ... jk lol, Enderman was not in the original Ult but bro imagine if he was, that's the start of ANY video involving characters created after the game was made and downloaded like little "Oh I wish we had done things differently, maybe in another universe, maybe right now I can load my little packet into your switch and it will add a brand new character hehehehehe" like bro that was NEVER competitive that's just some after thought type of shit.
@@snared_
What nonsense are you on about?
So just because Smash has DLC, the DLC characters aren't competitive worthy?
@@snared_That is the most incorrect take I have ever heard in my life.
@@PalPlays Speedrun community plays mario 64 on N64 which has additional lag due to compiler error which was fixed in wii but the most popular speedrun is still N64. Melee community plays the original release despite Nintendo releasing an afterthought patch of "ohh this is how Falco's downair would have worked if we had another chance to modify the game" but No, the PAL version of the game is not played competitively. I don't know why you would think my take is incorrect when it is simply founded on the competitive pillars of Nintendo.
Steve seems like a totally BS character
Don’t worry, it doesn’t just seem that way!
Steve’s been this way for over two years now. If you are still complaining about this character, you legit just have a skill issue.
@@Valentinesdayghost I can see why people complain about it. I don't even play ult at all, just melee here and there. I'm going to make a custom melee character and call it "Robbie" and just make it OP and be like ohhhh lol yeah of course Robbie is in Melee, nahh nahh it's not in the original release lmao but you can attach it to you game if you pay MONEY. Sound familiar? Robbie will store items like Falco's laser, and have a lot of parallels to steve from ult's toolkit. Now obviously they could have buffed all the melee and other characters in ult to make them be able to cope with steve and fight him, but they didn't from what I can tell, unless there's some special way to di all of that build upair build up air etc away at any percent. From what I've heard ult is more of a "you better kill off of a few hits/combos" kind of game at the top level which is very unappealing to me. I strongly prefer the pace of melee which is impossible to have that kind of control when there's a vicious steve in the arena as well, or shall I say Robbie in the arena.. Anyway, you probably wouldn't accept or agree with any of that, maybe saying "Sure but the same company let you pay money to load a broken-on-purpose character made after the release of the game into the data, it's not just some random dude or dudes who made it up and sell it, it's literally the same company" and I would just laugh at how ridiculous of a statement that would be.
@@snared_ your English is incredibly broken so I don’t understand what you’re trying to tell me
@@Valentinesdayghost Or you're just bad at reading comprehension.
I honestly feel like moky wouldve done better with a lvl 5 cpu
awesome video moky
so steve has amazing recovery? dosent die? infinite combos and good edgeguards? tf
What if moky played a good character? Better yet what if he played any other character on the roster?
The fishing rod up kills carried, though
dude just wanted 2 say u r fucking super cool with the wish u were here but with falco! also yeah dude like right! isabel sux and he should listen to us and play a good character like STEVE 😂😂🔥🔥
That thumbnail is so cash money
???????????? ETRIAN ODYSSEY MUSIC!!!???
which song in Etrian Odyssey is it?
moky kinda has sauce tho
bro getting ganked in ssbu 😭
Why he play at Isabelle? I mean I play her too and I like her but still.
Bro I dont play ult but after watching this/zains' vid and reading about Steve, it seems fucked up how many tools he has
Onin is too good. Steve is definitely a broken character but onin is cracked as well. Sucks that steve will never be nerfed. That character ruined watching ultimate for me. Nearly every grand finals is either steve or sonix and they are both just kinda boring to watch. Maybe smash 6 (is that ever happens) will make steve less of a menace.
Isabelle is the best character in the house
Onin is NOT the best doubles partner in the world, never ask onin what happened at the arizona Arcadian
He's got to be top 5 at least. Onin has done very well in doubles with like five different teammates. He's amazing.
Was that the one with like the double lucas team?
@@RiftyLuca lmao yeah how'd you know
@@Sockem16 if it was at tgz i'm p sure i went
@@RiftyLuca I knew rifty sounded familiar
Fix description
Video is such a troll. Zain is clearly not trying, you guys are obviously doing it just for the "entertainment".
zain booty butter at ult lmao
Acola and 33peranbox lost to the same isabelle. She has the tool to fight steve.
I think zain should not play Roy in ultimate. It be MEGA crusty.
You'd think after 3 or 4 losses, zain would try actually playing instead of flapping around like a fish. He played exactly like my coworker, whos never played any smash game.
Holy cow steve is sooo dumb lol
Melee players in ultimate have 0 offstage presence 😭
i dont wanna be a hater like 90% of these comments but it's weird how in the vid it looked like zain had no smash experience despite being top tier in melee. Idk maybe it doesn't translate that well with his playstyle.
Probably pulling a mogul move and throwing for content
I mean Zain would literally beat any ultimate player with 4 stocks and 25% in melee with a random character.
ultimate is VERY different from melee. Zain is just ass at smush
Zain tried people died
Im dying laughing
Best smash player in the world getting carried LMAO
hes playing steve, what a scumbag lmao
you have absolutely 0 knowledge about the game if you think Steve was an amazing pick in this kind of video
@@SonGohan-fx3vb clearly not
Isabelle main? DIESOFCRINGE
maybe he's not actually that good but just plays Steve.
yo?
zains lips are *SO CHAPPED*
no Steve and they win lmao
that the opposite of what happened IN THE VIDEO
zain plz
HOOOOOOLY
top player is acola