@@jamieyakimets839 i actually did. the ASCII controller's sheer girth allowed me to play smash ever so slightly longer before my hands would cramp up. The price of these controllers doubled ever since i got mine, so i figured i'd try DIY' ing a b0xx controller, which ended up being a cheaper alternative to getting another ASCII controller. I can now play melee for hours on end without any issues, though it took me a month or so to get back to the point i was on GCC.
@@TheseAreOurGames A diy b0xx sounds very interesting. At it’s core, it’s just a box with big, easily replaceable buttons on top. Probably registering inputs via an arduino or something. Seems so simple and cheap in my mind, which almost surely means I’m missing something. How much did that run you and was it hell to make?
@@OGSumo Actually, you hit the nail on the head, as i used an arduino micro and keyboard microswitches with circular keycaps to put it all together. It's actually pretty simple to make, and can be done for as little as 25 bucks if you already have a soldering iron ( though i mostly used jumpers myself to make things easier). I do have to stress that it's mostly simple to make because Crane provides the source code for the arduino, as well as schematics. His video on building a DIY Frame1 out of a cardboard box ( found here ruclips.net/video/trGa98tEy_0/видео.html ) covers just about anything you'd need to get started. If you find the idea of building all this a bit too daunting, or if you want to simply try the concept without the time or monetary investment, there are also scripts available to turn your keyboard into a b0xx.
imagine recruiting a tester, not listening to his feedback, and then threatening him. edit: apparently the video was cut, here is what Tamoray summorized in the replies: "@Sleepy Izaya the video had part cut out i dont know exactly why but it was a segment about how the box existed. Hax had his hands injured playing melee. A company wanted to team up with him to test a new controller. They invited him. He tried it and said it was uncomfortable and gave some criticisms to help. Apperantly they didnt take his advice and put out the controller anyway. He decided to make his own controller instead (the box) and the previous company sued him. Im telling you all of this just based on memory hopefully it still clear. EDIT : apperantly he cut the part because of Hax involvemnt in recent controversy"
@@NickyVideogames Thanks, though from what I've gathered looking at laregravy's tweets (as an outsider with little knowledge of smash drama) is that his claims aren't backed by receipts, so I can't take what he says 100% either -- can't really take a side without hard evidence. Will look into it some more...
@@altreon3608 Tool Assisted Speedruns (and Superplays) are different in nature from a player versus player environment. Sure, you can make some absolutely beautiful superplay sequences - just look up SSBB TASes, there's some good decade-old videos out there - but it's more of a spectacle written frame-by-frame before being played back in sequence, rather than two separate players playing to win in real time. TASes are composed over days, weeks, months; the outcome of a match is settled by the seat of your pants.
@@JulieLamia i'm referring to the "held back by physical bodies" bit. aren't TASes mainly meant to show what could be possible were we not limited by our human capabilities? thus meaning all video games have skill levels that are unachievable due to our natural limitations?
What’s crazy is these special controllers like The Boxx have allowed people with dexterity issues to actually get into video games in general. People with dexterity issues often struggle to find ways to play many games and technologies like this open up more options. It’s why charities like Ablegamers are actually really cool with the work and innovation they do. Ablegamers specializes in making adaptive gaming equipment
@FightingDreamerS4 A shame few people are interested in accessibility as anything other than an excuse to make games easier. Usually the ultrawoke journo types.
Hax fucking money’s dedication to Melee has always impressed me, seriously this guy was #6 in the world before he got hurt then he worked on developing his own controller for years, then had to fight to make it legal to use in tournament just to be able to compete again.
I saw aziz at a local here in MA, and asked him where he found the energy to keep trying and keep going thru all that bullshit. he told me it was all 4 the game. melee is a masterpiece lmao
@@kallixo people were afraid because the original model could potentially allow macros for easy multishines, Wavedash back, and shield drop. He had to patch it to make it more comparable to GCC if I recall correctly
AsumSaus: _"Brings his melee controller to the shooting range"_ Me, In Awe: _"The trigger ramp is polished to a mirror sheen, the C-stick has been reinforced, and the interlock with the frame is tightened for added precision. The saus system is original, too... The cord is extended to make it easier on the player. A control stick with non-slip grooves. A ring hammer... The length of the triggers have been filed down for a quicker grip, and not only that, nearly every part of this controller has been expertly crafted and customized... Where'd you get something like this?"_
7:36 "I jumped when I didn't want to and I might have to contemplate quitting" is probably the best summary I've ever heard about my existence as a smash player
Bruh make that more generic like "I missed something and I might have to contemplate quitting" and that's just me every day. Worst part is I never quit
@@tekaname4188 Not at all. It's shaped slightly different, but it feels identical to hold. The control sticks are a sizeable improvement from the official controller (at least over my official controller), with the left stick having a really nice rubber grip that surprisingly hasn't degraded or melted one bit over the last 9 years. The stick's travel is great, and has almost zero snap back (which is something I can't say about most of the controllers I own). The c stick is also quite a bit larger, which is nice considering the tiny stub that was the official gamecube c stick. As he said in the video, the L and R buttons suck, the face buttons feel a bit cheap, and the d-pad is a bit worse (although I think he over exaggerated how much worse considering what the actual gamecube d-pad is like). But I'm pretty sure his Z button is just defective, since mine feels perfectly fine. All in all, I don't know if I could make the statement that the Gamestop controller is a ripoff, considering it is better in some ways and worse in others. It's certainly the best 10 dollar controller I've ever used, probably the best controller under 30 dollars that I've ever used, and I think it's unfair to group it in with all of the other terrible bootleg nintendo controllers. ...Although the buttons do squeak if you press them a certain way
I own the black version of it, and its way different than the white one. You can feel when the shoulder buttons hits, the buttons don't squeak, the d pad actually works nicely, there's no bump on the front the plastic doesnt feel that cheep just glossy but the back is textured and matte, But there is a problem with that the z button is definitely not great and the switch should have been placed higher up.
Yo remember that one time Hax told a European player he had "blood on his hands" for swapping the inputs on two of the buttons on his b0xx that was uh... something
@@MantaKizaemonFTW A player swapped the position of R and Z (on the b0xx, R and Z are on the top-right button area, R being on the top row all the way to the left, and Z being on the second row 3rd from the left), and was recommending it to others. So hax lost his shit in discord and some now-deleted tweets. l o l.
@@axicon2232 hax is what you get when someone becomes so incredibly smart in their specialized field that they wrap all the way around and become stupid. like CS professors who don't know how to rotate a pdf.
I won't lie, the comittment to quality you have on your videos is incredibly impressive. The wavy text, the space for breathe in the edit, and the on brand script are just so well done that it leaves me actually watching your entire video every time. Well done.
It actually is. After he got done showing his custom controller I was like huh that's cool and about to click off. Then I see this pro guy talking about how he ruptured his fingers and watch the whole thing.
@@cherrychocolate1434 OHHH Yeah I know what that is, thanks I was really confused haha. I never got into dragon quest so it wasn't immediately apparent.
“Hm, this man has a literal keyboard paired against my controller... Either this guy is insane and gonna be a pushover... Or this guy knows something I don’t...” “WAIT HE’S CHOOSING GANNONDORF?!? I YIELD! I REFUSE TO FACE THAT MONSTER!”
Art is a french peach/fox player who plays on a FUCKING KEYBOARD with an arduno to translate inputs for the console. and yes, I get bopped by him in pools, I know the feeling.
That "Favorite game" joke was actually the funniest thing I've seen today, and I just read that the Belnades family in Castlevania might have been meant to be Fernandez.
@@mokeymokey9697 imagine playing the broken telephone game with a japanese developer whose language doesn't have a straightforward way to pronounce F or V sounds who's attempting to transliterate an european name, and a western localizer who lacks the (cultural and/or linguistic) context to understand what the original name is supposed to be. It's pretty much the same chain of events that lead to Aerith/Aeris in final fantasy 7
1:32 I remember back then my brother would buy this controller! He blamed me for breaking the Z button (to be fair I was reckless back then). Good to know it's actually the controller being bad.
Man, the internal degradation and cost of controllers section really fuckin gets me...the graphics and pacing are amazing for making the untouchable or overlooked awesome ludicrousy of it more accessible and understandable to a casual viewer like me. Thanks dearly, this is perhaps the best of your videos for me in terms of insight or impact
hey asumsaus. just realised that your channel was a very big reason for me getting into melee which i want to thank you a lot for because it is now my favourite game and i've brought many of my friends into it as well and they love it too! and it's all kind of thanks to you so thanks. also if you couldn't guess from the first part i absolutely loooooove your videos, great unique editing, fun writing, great topics and amazing voice over. I could listen to you talk forever about anything. So yeah basically your channel's great, keep it up.
It's crazy that the 2018 version of the ruleset is still the most current one. The permitted controller section really needs to be revised. By default it doesn't allow boxed style controllers, and technically a lot of controller mods can be deemed illegal, giving TO's a lot of room for own interpretation. Seems pretty clear that technically a snapback capacitor should be illegal, as it's a hardware mod. Springs? Plugs? Tactile Z? That custom Gloomwave DX motherboard would also be a pretty big violation.
honestly rewatching this video, it just struck me how kinda similar the controller vs keyboard input deal works in a game like rocket league. while i havent heard of anything related to custom DualShock or DualSense controllers for the game, i can imagine it with certain movement techs, which just like Fox up smash, require the same precision of not hitting the deadzone and totally flailing your car and leaving the net wide open, but in the same way the BOXX helps to mitigate analog failings, keyboard is 100% consistent if you know what youre doing, but starting a game like rocket league from scratch is so debilitating just like i imagine it being in melee. somehow people can get really good at both, which is all the props to them. great video 100%
i’m at a loss for words; never did I expect a smashtuber to reference maplestory... Smash bros and maplestory were literally my two favorite games growing up, seeing this literally gave me such whiplash
played all 3 game featured here XD...Maple gone the drain after became a pay up 300,000$ or you may not play latest content//get certain items + the disgusting hand holding system they added as if their player could not solve the minin puzzles from KPQ,LPQ,OPQ,MPQ(adding a shine effect for correct platforms)...+rendering the only guild pq obsolete was sad(Ergoth was fun).......Phantasy Star Online played it recently on my gc but offline.......PSO2 and PSO2: New Genesis coming out soon are way better than the GC game by all aspects....GC PSO is very brain dead playing and your limited to "highter difficulties" only by your total stats...its not even remotly challenging...........going back PSO2 in a month....WoW dissapointed me with Legion,BFA and Shadowland expansions(everything is an absurd grind fest for any collector(80 hours needed per day to even be able to farm the stuff from those 3 expact)........just waiting to get a brand new comp to return to PSO2.....oh btw.....do not start any game by the brand Activision//Blizzard(Blizzard = activision now) they dont care about their players having fun(all money cash grab since last 5 years)
@@bllllood maplestory would of thrived if they kept the simplicity of just grinding and keeping the powerscale stable. With every update they made it easier and less rewarding to level up. There’s no real active community anymore either, which was my favorite part.
@@dbreizin9720 as a current maplestory player, I’d agree with just about everything except the community. Reboot is as alive as ever and I spend hours talking to people in game
@@Jreamzzz the community isn’t what it used to be. Back then channel swapping wasn’t really a huge thing, there was always people on every map and you’d either party with them or share parts of the map. The towns, all of them, were always FULL of people. Back then, kerning used to be the most populated town. Drop parties were also very common. Party quests, jump quests, all of those fun little things to do with other people are just void of any soul. All maplestory is now is grind and bossing, with henesys as a hub for socializing. Hell, I remember even back then in the era of private servers, those still had more of a community than maple does now. Maplestory isn’t dead, but it might as well be for the old head fans
its taken so long for you to upload that ive discovered your channel, become obsessed, watched every video at least twice, and then completely forgot you existed all within the time between this video and the last one lmao
Friend comes over. "Yeah sorry the other gamecube controllers in the store you'll have to use this one". whips out phantasy star online keyboard "Here you go".
Clicked on this video out of random curiosity, and I get the feeling I'm gonna spend a good chunk of my day on your channel. This kind of stuff is extremely fascinating to me, and your motion graphics and edits are really solid too :D
Asum: •explains a slew of modifications to nearly perfect the GameCube controller• Me, who doesn’t even play Melee and only uses a relatively new GC controller for Smash Ultimate: *interesting.*
One wild thing about the algorithm is that I’ve watched all of your videos 3-5 times each-or more. Keep doing what you’re doing and know that your content plays to the long game.
Love how you said "I'm getting a camera like all the big youtubers do" and then you placed yourself in between Corpse Husband and Dream, gotta love your sense of humor dude
@@no64256 Dream’s and Corpse’s fanbases are the ones who cancel, there’s absolutely no chance of them being cancelled themselves lol. If literally any other youtuber went through the same cheating scandal that Dream did, they would be nuked off the face of the fucking earth
I like how controllers for Melee have become what swords were in medieval warfare: Very expensive pieces of equipment made specifically for one job and one job only that are extremely easy to break or otherwise damage and require regular maintenance.
Swords weren't used in medieval warfare. Swords were self defense weapons carried by the wealthy to defend themselves from muggings. Even landsknechts, famous for their use of zweihanders, carried them rarely and would use poleaxes in any sort of military engagement. Inb4 WHAT ABOUT ZWEIHANDERS USED TO COUNTER PIKES long after medieval period and well into the age of pike and shotte.
I don't think you can stop melee controllers from wearing out, it's too hard on em, what makes it so expensive is that they were never meant to be rebuilt in the first place, you can replace most of the arcade sticks buttons yourself
@@coreygolphenee9633 Exactly why I started becoming very sensitive about who uses my gamecube controllers once Smash Wii U came out, lol. I've heard the ones they made for Ultimate aren't very good. I got one of the ones for Smash Wii U, and as soon as I was contemplating getting another one for back-up, Nintendo stopped making them.
And I thought my friends and I used to be obsessed with Melee back in the day... Well, it's good to know that there are still people keeping this game alive, especially as it was my favorite Smash Brothers.
@Sam Murray He got a history with another player and this player tried to get the B0XX banned. This caused him to make a 2 hour+ video called “evidence . zip 2”calling him a tyrant and trying to turn the smash community into a tyrannical dystopia.
The song that starts at around 10 minutes is an endless game from rythym heaven, you sit in a car smacking a cow bell to entertain the driver, it's quite the jam 👍
I don't know why you'd want to cut out a perfectly objective and relevant segment from the video, like the Streisand effect isn't a thing. Hax is no Chris Benoit, you know.
As someone who does not play melee but is fascinated with the competitive scene, I just want to say thank you so much for these videos. They are super interesting and informative, well produced, and funny. I have watched every single video on this channel and was very excited to see a notification from you today!
Dude your content is all so well done. The framing and visuals are great, the music fits the content, and your pacing... Your pacing is perfect. Adds so much to the comedy and interest. Keep going
The production value in your videos are absolutely great, I'm impressed that you can excel with a channel dedicated to topic as niche as melee. I wonder what wonders you could do with other topics.
Ok, as a massive Fossil Fighters fan, I very much appreciated the usage of the Relic Hotel theme while you were explaining how to use the Keyboard controller on Dolphin.
22:22 Brooooo, that music took me back! The moment I heard it I instantly recognized it as Fossil Fighters; my entire childhood there. Great video BTW!
The game stops turbo is kinda useful for certain situations. Like how certain games (like MetalGearSolid) has an anti cheat where if it detects turbo controls with on-off turbo in the electrocution section, it disables your input for that.
I remember feeling so proud of myself because i have saved so much money, buying a 7€ controller instead of the expensive 50€ original. My pride fell flat very soon after
I actually have a little story I was reminded of when watching this video: the GameStop branded controller featured in the video is actually the GameCube controller I used growing up playing Super Mario Sunshine. One day, the right trigger just decided to stop working, and I couldn’t progress in the game anymore, so I attempted to find all the blue coins I could to hopefully get to the final level, but if you played sunshine, you know you need to do all of the main 7 missions, a fact I didn’t know at the time.
Imagine people who find joy in hearing melee controller sounds listening to a guy use the gamestop controller and subsequently losing all trust in others
I was so surprised and so happy to see the keyboard, I did not expect you to own that. Imagine walkin' up to the tournament and pullin' out a fuckin' keyboard and bein' like "Yeah, this is my *Sega GameCube controller.*
Fun fact, Kumatora, former top 50 Project M player actually plays on the Gamecube keyboard controller and became #1 on the Massachusetts PR with it
I’ve always wanted to show up to a tournament holding that thing so I’m glad someone actually did.
That one dude in guilty gear got top 8 at a big tourney with a wheel controller
@@jamieyakimets839 i actually did. the ASCII controller's sheer girth allowed me to play smash ever so slightly longer before my hands would cramp up. The price of these controllers doubled ever since i got mine, so i figured i'd try DIY' ing a b0xx controller, which ended up being a cheaper alternative to getting another ASCII controller. I can now play melee for hours on end without any issues, though it took me a month or so to get back to the point i was on GCC.
@@TheseAreOurGames A diy b0xx sounds very interesting.
At it’s core, it’s just a box with big, easily replaceable buttons on top. Probably registering inputs via an arduino or something. Seems so simple and cheap in my mind, which almost surely means I’m missing something.
How much did that run you and was it hell to make?
@@OGSumo Actually, you hit the nail on the head, as i used an arduino micro and keyboard microswitches with circular keycaps to put it all together. It's actually pretty simple to make, and can be done for as little as 25 bucks if you already have a soldering iron ( though i mostly used jumpers myself to make things easier).
I do have to stress that it's mostly simple to make because Crane provides the source code for the arduino, as well as schematics. His video on building a DIY Frame1 out of a cardboard box ( found here ruclips.net/video/trGa98tEy_0/видео.html ) covers just about anything you'd need to get started.
If you find the idea of building all this a bit too daunting, or if you want to simply try the concept without the time or monetary investment, there are also scripts available to turn your keyboard into a b0xx.
imagine recruiting a tester, not listening to his feedback, and then threatening him.
edit:
apparently the video was cut, here is what
Tamoray summorized in the replies:
"@Sleepy Izaya the video had part cut out i dont know exactly why but it was a segment about how the box existed. Hax had his hands injured playing melee. A company wanted to team up with him to test a new controller. They invited him. He tried it and said it was uncomfortable and gave some criticisms to help. Apperantly they didnt take his advice and put out the controller anyway. He decided to make his own controller instead (the box) and the previous company sued him. Im telling you all of this just based on memory hopefully it still clear.
EDIT : apperantly he cut the part because of Hax involvemnt in recent controversy"
Then copying the tester's own design when it proves to be successful
They didn't want a tester.
They wanted an endorsement, pretending to be a tester.
@@NickyVideogames Sauce?
Will say Hax has a special skill for pissing people off but yeah company looks dumb af on this one
@@NickyVideogames Thanks, though from what I've gathered looking at laregravy's tweets (as an outsider with little knowledge of smash drama) is that his claims aren't backed by receipts, so I can't take what he says 100% either -- can't really take a side without hard evidence. Will look into it some more...
it's so crazy to me that a video game has gotten to a skill level that is so high that players are being held back by their physical bodies
i mean, isn't that the case with most TAS-run games? or am i missing something
this has been the case with many speedruns for different games for a very long time now as well
@@altreon3608 Tool Assisted Speedruns (and Superplays) are different in nature from a player versus player environment. Sure, you can make some absolutely beautiful superplay sequences - just look up SSBB TASes, there's some good decade-old videos out there - but it's more of a spectacle written frame-by-frame before being played back in sequence, rather than two separate players playing to win in real time.
TASes are composed over days, weeks, months; the outcome of a match is settled by the seat of your pants.
@@JulieLamia i'm referring to the "held back by physical bodies" bit. aren't TASes mainly meant to show what could be possible were we not limited by our human capabilities? thus meaning all video games have skill levels that are unachievable due to our natural limitations?
I mean any game with reactions is being held back by human reaction times
What’s crazy is these special controllers like The Boxx have allowed people with dexterity issues to actually get into video games in general. People with dexterity issues often struggle to find ways to play many games and technologies like this open up more options. It’s why charities like Ablegamers are actually really cool with the work and innovation they do. Ablegamers specializes in making adaptive gaming equipment
Accessibility is fucking awesome.
@@LoneWanderer905 Indeed!
Heh. Nice.
@FightingDreamerS4 A shame few people are interested in accessibility as anything other than an excuse to make games easier.
Usually the ultrawoke journo types.
@@KopperNeoman no one is doing that? tf u r talking about
Hax fucking money’s dedication to Melee has always impressed me, seriously this guy was #6 in the world before he got hurt then he worked on developing his own controller for years, then had to fight to make it legal to use in tournament just to be able to compete again.
I saw aziz at a local here in MA, and asked him where he found the energy to keep trying and keep going thru all that bullshit. he told me it was all 4 the game. melee is a masterpiece lmao
Hax$ and his controller henchman:
"My lord, is that legal?"
"I will _make it_ legal."
Hax knows so much about melee it's absurd. One of the most passionate people in the community.
Why wasnt it legal at the start?
@@kallixo people were afraid because the original model could potentially allow macros for easy multishines, Wavedash back, and shield drop. He had to patch it to make it more comparable to GCC if I recall correctly
Dude gets a camera and FIRST THING is "my favorite slinky" lool
no it was his hands actually did you even watch the video or did you just look at the trans script my god oh my god god
It is a nice slinky tho
@@BabzaiWWP •_•
Important things first.
Priorities
"JP white shell, custom transparent salmon buttons, pink Paracord"
Very nice. Let's see Hax's controller.
So glad I wasn't the only one who thought of this
Look at that glossy pitch black coloring. The tasteful thickness of it.
Oh my god. It even has a watermark.
Noah? You're sweating...
I have to return some video tapes
i dont get the reference can someone explain this
You know this man is entertaining when Ive watched all his videos despite the fact I’ve never even played this game, and never intend to
Why don’t you intend to?
@@zachsteinerI think the section on how much the controllers alone cost is as good of an explanation as you can get
He reminds me so much of EmpLemon...
@@lemonov3031i emu play with an old PS3 controller, basically for free.
Same here.
" and it's got some sort of misprint with the lowercase letters, they just look like scribbly lines " that part got me dying
Bro how did you get your comment to say 10 months ago when the video was made like 2 days ago what
Wait
I thought he was serious at first haha
@@ConJakPre it got me too dw. I too need to finish the sentence before I start thinking.
Yeah like how did V turn to ひ, i don't really think they made this keyboard well
I physically winced just hearing those squeaks, holy-...
That’s the main reason I do not like bootleg controllers.
Once you feel the real thing everything else feels so off
Hearing those squeaks brought back repressed memories.....
I used this controller for Melee with friends.
The joystick cover came off. You played with an analog stick of hard plastic. It *sucked*.
@@bb010g wow
Hax wave dashed so perfectly that the gods smited his abilities before he grew too strong.
AsumSaus: _"Brings his melee controller to the shooting range"_
Me, In Awe: _"The trigger ramp is polished to a mirror sheen, the C-stick has been reinforced, and the interlock with the frame is tightened for added precision. The saus system is original, too... The cord is extended to make it easier on the player. A control stick with non-slip grooves. A ring hammer... The length of the triggers have been filed down for a quicker grip, and not only that, nearly every part of this controller has been expertly crafted and customized... Where'd you get something like this?"_
"That SAUS engraving, gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever.
"I just brought it from Walmart™"
American psycho reference!?
@@vanjaku_darius7950 It's from MGS, ruclips.net/video/hS32Wx6qd_0/видео.html
@@vanjaku_darius7950 I'm pretty sure that it's fashioned out of a Metal Gear Solid 3 Copypasta
I just sat here for 25 minutes learning about a game and console I’ve never owned
Edit: And it was worth every second
Me too
You madman
That's why asumsaus is so great, he could make a video about anything and we would watch it
that's for me the peak of youtube videos, asumsaus is one of them. Another great one is Summoning salt
lol, same
"And it's got some sort of misprint with the lower case letters, they just look like a bunch of squiggly lines" That fucking killed me.
Loved the video, really well done as always. Also that $400 controller is fire
Thanks GRsmash, very nice
The SAUS™
Thank God you're still alive.
Why you stop uploading?
Will you ever upload again?
This video has successfully given me a bunch of random excuses if I lose.
"My Stick Nodules Wasnt Working!!!!"
Welcome to smash. Around these parts, that’s called “johns.”
No Johns!
yo PRIMM's!!!????? a delight seeing you here.
Primm!
@@7lair724 why john
7:36 "I jumped when I didn't want to and I might have to contemplate quitting" is probably the best summary I've ever heard about my existence as a smash player
Bruh make that more generic like "I missed something and I might have to contemplate quitting" and that's just me every day. Worst part is I never quit
@@nahometesfay1112 were a bunch of masochists whyyyy lmao
I knew what that Gamestop controller felt like just by looking at it.
I'm assuming squishy and greasy rubber
The stick probably goes Tack instead of Tick
@@tekaname4188 Not at all. It's shaped slightly different, but it feels identical to hold. The control sticks are a sizeable improvement from the official controller (at least over my official controller), with the left stick having a really nice rubber grip that surprisingly hasn't degraded or melted one bit over the last 9 years. The stick's travel is great, and has almost zero snap back (which is something I can't say about most of the controllers I own). The c stick is also quite a bit larger, which is nice considering the tiny stub that was the official gamecube c stick. As he said in the video, the L and R buttons suck, the face buttons feel a bit cheap, and the d-pad is a bit worse (although I think he over exaggerated how much worse considering what the actual gamecube d-pad is like). But I'm pretty sure his Z button is just defective, since mine feels perfectly fine. All in all, I don't know if I could make the statement that the Gamestop controller is a ripoff, considering it is better in some ways and worse in others. It's certainly the best 10 dollar controller I've ever used, probably the best controller under 30 dollars that I've ever used, and I think it's unfair to group it in with all of the other terrible bootleg nintendo controllers.
...Although the buttons do squeak if you press them a certain way
I own the black version of it, and its way different than the white one. You can feel when the shoulder buttons hits, the buttons don't squeak, the d pad actually works nicely, there's no bump on the front the plastic doesnt feel that cheep just glossy but the back is textured and matte, But there is a problem with that the z button is definitely not great and the switch should have been placed higher up.
I own the gamestop controller
Yo remember that one time Hax told a European player he had "blood on his hands" for swapping the inputs on two of the buttons on his b0xx that was uh... something
What? I'm out of the loop
@@MantaKizaemonFTW A player swapped the position of R and Z (on the b0xx, R and Z are on the top-right button area, R being on the top row all the way to the left, and Z being on the second row 3rd from the left), and was recommending it to others. So hax lost his shit in discord and some now-deleted tweets. l o l.
@@MantaKizaemonFTW haha human hands go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
I like hax but most times I feel like he's more of a sperg than m2k
@@axicon2232 hax is what you get when someone becomes so incredibly smart in their specialized field that they wrap all the way around and become stupid. like CS professors who don't know how to rotate a pdf.
17:37 "The quick neutral skin fox full hop Bair over the lazy approach."
Can't believe nobody else had this in here yet smh
Solid video as always
Ludvix
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Ludvix?
@@jamair2376 Ludvix.
You're trash at wizards
Luv dix 👌
I won't lie, the comittment to quality you have on your videos is incredibly impressive. The wavy text, the space for breathe in the edit, and the on brand script are just so well done that it leaves me actually watching your entire video every time. Well done.
Lol why is "actually watching the video" some sort of high standard
@@ChillavaKirby right? lmao
@@ChillavaKirby cause people have an attention span of 5 seconds nowadays lmao
It actually is. After he got done showing his custom controller I was like huh that's cool and about to click off. Then I see this pro guy talking about how he ruptured his fingers and watch the whole thing.
@@ChillavaKirby Look again, your quote is incorrect.
Bringing the keyboard controller to a melee tournament has the same energy as bringing a slime controller to an ultimate tournament
The chaddest move possible in both games
Slime… controller?
@@caxolog As in, a controller designed to look like the Slime enemies from the Dragon Quest series.
@@cherrychocolate1434 OHHH Yeah I know what that is, thanks I was really confused haha. I never got into dragon quest so it wasn't immediately apparent.
I feel insulted
Hbox's reaction to getting hit with that combo was so priceless
Impressive. Let's see Paul Allen's GameCube Controller.
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My God, it even has a watermark.
I wonder what Hbox's and Armada's controllers look like
i was looking for this right after 4:12 lol
Imagine being in pools at your local and the new guy pulls out A FUCKING KEYBOARD for your set 😂
“Hm, this man has a literal keyboard paired against my controller... Either this guy is insane and gonna be a pushover... Or this guy knows something I don’t...”
“WAIT HE’S CHOOSING GANNONDORF?!? I YIELD! I REFUSE TO FACE THAT MONSTER!”
Art is a french peach/fox player who plays on a FUCKING KEYBOARD with an arduno to translate inputs for the console. and yes, I get bopped by him in pools, I know the feeling.
no one mentioning Lord, actually playing melee on an actual f** keyboard ?!
Regralht was top 3(Smash 4) in Michigan at one point with the keyboard GameCube controller.
I play SSF2 on keyboard, and honestly, I would totally do this lol
The “this was a lot more fun as a kid”, while playing MapleStory, definitely hit home
that was a blast from the past
@simcul "nobody ever can enjoy things I enjoy"
@simcul wah wah wahhhh stop having opinionnnnsss
the fun wasn't the game, it was the socializing
@@CockroachMunchingKrabbyPattynot even - things were just easier and brighter back when we were kids
That "Favorite game" joke was actually the funniest thing I've seen today, and I just read that the Belnades family in Castlevania might have been meant to be Fernandez.
Wait WHAT THE FUCK?
@@mokeymokey9697 imagine playing the broken telephone game with a japanese developer whose language doesn't have a straightforward way to pronounce F or V sounds who's attempting to transliterate an european name, and a western localizer who lacks the (cultural and/or linguistic) context to understand what the original name is supposed to be. It's pretty much the same chain of events that lead to Aerith/Aeris in final fantasy 7
The way you joked about the “lowercase letters” was so genuine that I couldn’t tell if you were joking about that or not.
he wasn't lol
@@AUZZYNAPALM the sadder thing is in the comments, only you, i, and Hyyper seem to notice....
@@djjc9782 Make that 4 now.. xD Literally after I heard him say that I went straight to the comments to see if anyone else mentioned it.
Also here for this - lmao
@@azuuku Exact Same
Babe, wake up, Asumsaus has uploaded a 20+ video.
yes, honey :withered:
Yeah, must be 20 years or older to view the video
@@OG_Sergi beat me to it
Im watching this at 5am. Thanks
1:32 I remember back then my brother would buy this controller! He blamed me for breaking the Z button (to be fair I was reckless back then). Good to know it's actually the controller being bad.
Guess who realized they can claim things for their youtube videos as tax write-offs lmaooo
Man, the internal degradation and cost of controllers section really fuckin gets me...the graphics and pacing are amazing for making the untouchable or overlooked awesome ludicrousy of it more accessible and understandable to a casual viewer like me. Thanks dearly, this is perhaps the best of your videos for me in terms of insight or impact
The entire video feels like the business card scene in american psycho
LMAO
lets see paul allens modded controller
"Oh my God, it even has a custom logo."
I have to return some controllers.
Pale Randall 😳
4:04 "my god, it even has a watermark"
The king has uploaded again I see.
I n d e e d .
@@ballthatbounces626 what
@@ballthatbounces626 gladly
@@ballthatbounces626 melee sex mod
This comment section is interesting.
"This was four hundred fucking dollars" got me good.
The whip sound effect when you pulled the cord was A+
the legend himself has returned
69th like
Very informative! Always fascinating to see the usage rate of an older console and its accompanying acccessory hardware.
Showing the gameplay on the boxx while playing on the controller was such a smooth editing sequence holy shit
Hi Etienne
Hi ettiene, when are you playing clone hero with a gamestop gamecube controller?
@@peranmon Real gamers play taiko with the DK bongo drums
I was fooled. I didnt know what the BOXX was and actually thought it had a screen
Supa hot fire
Imagine channeling all of your energy for 5 months to release a masterpiece like this
The fact that “Wank DI” is an actual term that describes an actual technique in Melee is both frightening and beautiful.
“Sex kick” and “wank di” are great examples of why gamers are just coomers at the end of the day.
@@OGSumo XD
I wanna see someone roll up to a melee tourney with that big ass keyboard controller and win a set with it.
hey asumsaus. just realised that your channel was a very big reason for me getting into melee which i want to thank you a lot for because it is now my favourite game and i've brought many of my friends into it as well and they love it too! and it's all kind of thanks to you so thanks. also if you couldn't guess from the first part i absolutely loooooove your videos, great unique editing, fun writing, great topics and amazing voice over. I could listen to you talk forever about anything. So yeah basically your channel's great, keep it up.
That’s awesome, man! Great to see the younger generations carry on the torch!
It's even nicer that he liked your comment.
"This monstrosity is the ASCII keyboard controller"
I started uncontrollably giggling here, that thing is such a meme.
It's crazy that the 2018 version of the ruleset is still the most current one. The permitted controller section really needs to be revised. By default it doesn't allow boxed style controllers, and technically a lot of controller mods can be deemed illegal, giving TO's a lot of room for own interpretation.
Seems pretty clear that technically a snapback capacitor should be illegal, as it's a hardware mod. Springs? Plugs? Tactile Z? That custom Gloomwave DX motherboard would also be a pretty big violation.
Snapback would be illegal if they didn't have a monetary interest in making sure it wasn't.
honestly rewatching this video, it just struck me how kinda similar the controller vs keyboard input deal works in a game like rocket league. while i havent heard of anything related to custom DualShock or DualSense controllers for the game, i can imagine it with certain movement techs, which just like Fox up smash, require the same precision of not hitting the deadzone and totally flailing your car and leaving the net wide open, but in the same way the BOXX helps to mitigate analog failings, keyboard is 100% consistent if you know what youre doing, but starting a game like rocket league from scratch is so debilitating just like i imagine it being in melee. somehow people can get really good at both, which is all the props to them.
great video 100%
17:43 "the lower case letters look like a bunch of squiggly lines" LMFAO
I cannot tell if hes joking lmao
@@brianlovesmc Definitely joking
@@brianlovesmc I'll give you this his delivery is cinnamon levels of dry, but he is 100% joking
@@GinkgoPete That's what made it so funny to me. I almost spit out my drink.
@@brianlovesmc obviously he’s joking
Love to see you improving your craft! I’m an Ultimate guy, but you make these so fun for me to watch.
Cheers to all my Melee cousins!
Glad I'm not the only ultimate player who loves this content.
i’m at a loss for words; never did I expect a smashtuber to reference maplestory... Smash bros and maplestory were literally my two favorite games growing up, seeing this literally gave me such whiplash
played all 3 game featured here XD...Maple gone the drain after became a pay up 300,000$ or you may not play latest content//get certain items + the disgusting hand holding system they added as if their player could not solve the minin puzzles from KPQ,LPQ,OPQ,MPQ(adding a shine effect for correct platforms)...+rendering the only guild pq obsolete was sad(Ergoth was fun).......Phantasy Star Online played it recently on my gc but offline.......PSO2 and PSO2: New Genesis coming out soon are way better than the GC game by all aspects....GC PSO is very brain dead playing and your limited to "highter difficulties" only by your total stats...its not even remotly challenging...........going back PSO2 in a month....WoW dissapointed me with Legion,BFA and Shadowland expansions(everything is an absurd grind fest for any collector(80 hours needed per day to even be able to farm the stuff from those 3 expact)........just waiting to get a brand new comp to return to PSO2.....oh btw.....do not start any game by the brand Activision//Blizzard(Blizzard = activision now) they dont care about their players having fun(all money cash grab since last 5 years)
@@bllllood maplestory would of thrived if they kept the simplicity of just grinding and keeping the powerscale stable. With every update they made it easier and less rewarding to level up. There’s no real active community anymore either, which was my favorite part.
@@dbreizin9720 as a current maplestory player, I’d agree with just about everything except the community. Reboot is as alive as ever and I spend hours talking to people in game
@@Jreamzzz the community isn’t what it used to be. Back then channel swapping wasn’t really a huge thing, there was always people on every map and you’d either party with them or share parts of the map. The towns, all of them, were always FULL of people. Back then, kerning used to be the most populated town. Drop parties were also very common. Party quests, jump quests, all of those fun little things to do with other people are just void of any soul. All maplestory is now is grind and bossing, with henesys as a hub for socializing. Hell, I remember even back then in the era of private servers, those still had more of a community than maple does now. Maplestory isn’t dead, but it might as well be for the old head fans
Love this guy's simple charming editing and sense of humor
Weezer must be so proud to have been included in melee's character select
i laughed so fucking hard at that
Featuring the new tournament legal stage Beverly Hills
shame that the Island in the Sun is banned in most circumstances
Rivers is top tier because of the legendary combo only he can land: the Perfect Situation
its taken so long for you to upload that ive discovered your channel, become obsessed, watched every video at least twice, and then completely forgot you existed all within the time between this video and the last one lmao
Friend comes over.
"Yeah sorry the other gamecube controllers in the store you'll have to use this one".
whips out phantasy star online keyboard
"Here you go".
Yeah if someone does that, i just accept because it goofy past the point of bad
@@leo34150 The Phantasy Star Online Gamecube controller is the pinnacle of Smash.
@@FromBeyondTheGrave1 i completely agree
Clicked on this video out of random curiosity, and I get the feeling I'm gonna spend a good chunk of my day on your channel. This kind of stuff is extremely fascinating to me, and your motion graphics and edits are really solid too :D
That "lowercase misprint" combo had me rolling jesus christ SUB'd
That one got me as well
was looking for this comment
Asum: •explains a slew of modifications to nearly perfect the GameCube controller•
Me, who doesn’t even play Melee and only uses a relatively new GC controller for Smash Ultimate: *interesting.*
Same
Honestly his editing is just getting better and better
One wild thing about the algorithm is that I’ve watched all of your videos 3-5 times each-or more. Keep doing what you’re doing and know that your content plays to the long game.
Damn I had no idea the members of Weezer were playable characters in Melee. Very cool!
Weezer in smash confirmed?!
That Maplestory bit just got me right in the nostalgia
Love how you said "I'm getting a camera like all the big youtubers do" and then you placed yourself in between Corpse Husband and Dream, gotta love your sense of humor dude
Didn’t even notice that lmao
Is the joke that they both got cancelled or something? I don't like to keep up with drama
@@no64256 it’s that they don’t use cameras or show their faces
@@MicahCallari thanks, that was my second guess. I looked to deep into this lol
@@no64256 Dream’s and Corpse’s fanbases are the ones who cancel, there’s absolutely no chance of them being cancelled themselves lol. If literally any other youtuber went through the same cheating scandal that Dream did, they would be nuked off the face of the fucking earth
The sound of the buttons squeeking on the GameStop controller made my cat look around for a mouse
Hungrybox's reaction was like he was watching the VOD at home. "HOLY fuck i didnt even know that was a string"
what's the vod name?
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I like how controllers for Melee have become what swords were in medieval warfare: Very expensive pieces of equipment made specifically for one job and one job only that are extremely easy to break or otherwise damage and require regular maintenance.
Swords weren't used in medieval warfare. Swords were self defense weapons carried by the wealthy to defend themselves from muggings. Even landsknechts, famous for their use of zweihanders, carried them rarely and would use poleaxes in any sort of military engagement.
Inb4 WHAT ABOUT ZWEIHANDERS USED TO COUNTER PIKES
long after medieval period and well into the age of pike and shotte.
I don't think you can stop melee controllers from wearing out, it's too hard on em, what makes it so expensive is that they were never meant to be rebuilt in the first place, you can replace most of the arcade sticks buttons yourself
@@coreygolphenee9633 Exactly why I started becoming very sensitive about who uses my gamecube controllers once Smash Wii U came out, lol.
I've heard the ones they made for Ultimate aren't very good. I got one of the ones for Smash Wii U, and as soon as I was contemplating getting another one for back-up, Nintendo stopped making them.
Pointy stick go brrr
15:58 You're a legend for cutting out your fingers on all these button graphics dude
it was so crisp I didn't even realize until I read this holy shit
Actually yeah, that must’ve taken an insane amount of time, good thing he’s getting some recognition for it
it’s actually much easier to do than it seems using something like adobe after effects
I've done it before. It's not THAT easy...
that small sequence of roto is nutty no cap
And I thought my friends and I used to be obsessed with Melee back in the day... Well, it's good to know that there are still people keeping this game alive, especially as it was my favorite Smash Brothers.
Hearing Hax's manifesto sent me into fight or flight before I realized this video was made before all this lmfao.
wait what happened?
@Sam Murray He got a history with another player and this player tried to get the B0XX banned. This caused him to make a 2 hour+ video called “evidence . zip 2”calling him a tyrant and trying to turn the smash community into a tyrannical dystopia.
@@BGpilot419 Oh right I think I remember something about that lol. Did it involve leffen?
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero yep
@@BGpilot419 cherry picking I see
Who else has been re-watching all of his old videos waiting for this?
About 7 people I guess
I didn't even know he still made videos, I've been on a binge the last couple days.
The BOXX controller is one of the most heartwarming accessibility stories in gaming.
The song that starts at around 10 minutes is an endless game from rythym heaven, you sit in a car smacking a cow bell to entertain the driver, it's quite the jam 👍
He.. HE has a CAMERA!!! This is an unprecedented achievement and life is right in this timeline
This video feels reminiscent of an old AVGN episode, but without the anger
The Calm Video Game Nerd
It reminds me of the NES Accessories episode, or the Nintendo Power one
Came back when the world needed him the most
I don't know why you'd want to cut out a perfectly objective and relevant segment from the video, like the Streisand effect isn't a thing. Hax is no Chris Benoit, you know.
fr people are treating hax$ like he's a kid diddler or something
@@zigafideyeah, idk why somehow people are on Leffen's side when Hax was right about pretty much all of it
Bro this guy just released a vid of him flexing his controller on all of us
"There's a misprint, it's just squiggly lines.." xD
That made me mad even though i know its a joke.
I hate to admit that I first thought he was being serious and raced to the comments. Shame on me
As someone who does not play melee but is fascinated with the competitive scene, I just want to say thank you so much for these videos. They are super interesting and informative, well produced, and funny. I have watched every single video on this channel and was very excited to see a notification from you today!
I love how you made this video about banned controllers when there’s only one that’s banned in this video.
Jeez I didn't know Hax had a history of writing these long manifestos based on the current events
Yeah, Hax can be obsessed about certain things. He's actually ruining his reputation, constantly being on the small line between nerd and freak.
@@NeZCheese Yep, lmao
then you didn't really know Hax$ then
@@NeZCheese Was it because of Leffen?
(this is not in defense of leffen btw)
I'm excited for brawl content now that you have confirmed that it's your favorite.
Dude your content is all so well done. The framing and visuals are great, the music fits the content, and your pacing... Your pacing is perfect. Adds so much to the comedy and interest. Keep going
And the sound effects are perfectly edited in to make it sound nice and smooth.
The production value in your videos are absolutely great, I'm impressed that you can excel with a channel dedicated to topic as niche as melee. I wonder what wonders you could do with other topics.
20:10
"excluding, you know, its length"
*DK walks across frame*
lmfao
That’s a big boy right there!
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Really vibed with that Bomberman Hero track that played during the segment about finicky controllers.
great track
Ye
Ok, as a massive Fossil Fighters fan, I very much appreciated the usage of the Relic Hotel theme while you were explaining how to use the Keyboard controller on Dolphin.
The production on this video is incredible and the content is structured very well. Great work
22:22 Brooooo, that music took me back! The moment I heard it I instantly recognized it as Fossil Fighters; my entire childhood there. Great video BTW!
The game stops turbo is kinda useful for certain situations. Like how certain games (like MetalGearSolid) has an anti cheat where if it detects turbo controls with on-off turbo in the electrocution section, it disables your input for that.
4:32 Dear god that really puts controller smashers into perspective...
I remember feeling so proud of myself because i have saved so much money, buying a 7€ controller instead of the expensive 50€ original. My pride fell flat very soon after
I actually have a little story I was reminded of when watching this video: the GameStop branded controller featured in the video is actually the GameCube controller I used growing up playing Super Mario Sunshine. One day, the right trigger just decided to stop working, and I couldn’t progress in the game anymore, so I attempted to find all the blue coins I could to hopefully get to the final level, but if you played sunshine, you know you need to do all of the main 7 missions, a fact I didn’t know at the time.
One of the many reasons why sunshine kinda smelly
The editing in this video has really gone above and beyond holy heck
This video is unreal, we do not deserve such a talented content creator holy
This man talks about gamecube controllers like Patrick bateman talks about business cards.
Petition for ludwig to be able to use turbo controllers in tournament because he can feasibly do what they do himself
0:40 *Fox mains who converted to Meta Knight be like*
I think what he did was took a black DVD case, inserted the Melee cover into the sleeve and placed Brawl’s disc inside it.
@@christopher32074 he just owns 2 game copies
@Sharkie I bet you the reason he would own two is either to own both pal and ntsc or just plain flex.
Imagine people who find joy in hearing melee controller sounds listening to a guy use the gamestop controller and subsequently losing all trust in others
I was so surprised and so happy to see the keyboard, I did not expect you to own that.
Imagine walkin' up to the tournament and pullin' out a fuckin' keyboard and bein' like "Yeah, this is my *Sega GameCube controller.*
The intricacy of Melee as a competitive game and the passion of its playerbase never cease to amaze.