I think they were trying to get more evidence. The bullet alone would not be enough. And also, they may not have known the gun belonged to him since it was a round that cycled thru the gun but was not discharged. I hope they have plenty of evidence to convict him and keep him .
it's really a shame this wasn't solved sooner. the girls literally did what they could in their final moments to get this guy held accountable yet police were beyond negligent. RIP sweet babies.
That’s why I never trust cops, they’re not heros on this case , they’re liars. He was the only men there that day , no wonder they tried to seal the evidence to hide their incompetence and cover it up
@@habibba2323 i don't particularly trust cops but i do respect the position they're in. many put their life on the line just to do the job itself. i think the problem here was the lack of adequate staffing and investigators working on this case. i feel like they just forgot about it altogether after a few months, which is so so unfair not only to the victims but to their families wanting answers as well. this could've been solved within a year with proper resources, yet internet sleuths had to be the ones to get it moving again.
I agree! I know the most important thing is it is solved now. But the matching ballistics being overlooked is an insane oversight to me. The girls did everything they could to nail him. Praying he didn’t kill anyone else during all the time he had when he should have been locked up! RIH girls. You are never forgotten ❤❤
Probably a lot of "looks like him but not 100% sure" in identifying the man from the moving video... but now, they have plenty of evidence including a suspect. Justice will be served. The general public is grateful LE did their job... it wasn't easy, physically, mentally, emotional. Why are there always that ungrateful few, with no knowledge or experience in homicide or law, who are so quick to ONLY find fault... who will think they themselves or that LE could have done way better.
@@annraczok670 not gonna argue with you but there's PLENTY of things that LE could've done better. they had bullet evidence right away and literally had this guy confess early on that he had the same gun. we are obviously grateful that justice is finally being served, however, it took absolutely way too long. not okay for the families involved who had to deal with the absurd wait.
My heart sank when I heard them say "the victim mentions gun" . I just got a really bad mental image of what he did to these poor little girls 🥺. Rip Libby and Abby, justice is coming
That's what I mean video game dude he went there to kill them specifically and they don't want to talk about what the motive is is he part of a pedo ring???
i think the gun was used to coerce the girls “down the hill”. I think he pulled out the gun where the girls’ bodies were found and accidentally dropped that bullet near them.
He placed himself on the bridge at the right time and mentioned passing three people who also noticed him. There was a spent shell between the two girls’ bodies that came from his gun. He said no one ever had possession of his gun except for him. Once they have a motive this looks amazingly solid to me.
This is why they want to hide the facts of the case from the public. He literally slipped through the cracks. The incompetence is stunning that it took so long to make an arrest while they had him there the whole time
@@spookytkid yup ! They interviewed him in 2017 , he clearly told them everything about him being there at the same time , and they just never followed up until last October, If that’s not negligence, idk what it is
What? They have no evidence on this guy. Anyone who knew Allen could have gotten that bullet at any time. His son- in- law could have set him up. If that's all the evidence they have he's going to walk.
@@habibba2323 There’s this pesky little thing called evidence. You cannot arrest someone without sufficient evidence. It doesn’t matter if they admitted they were there or not.
@@phillipstroll7385 i have never heard they can specially scientifically identify a gun by extraction marks. its not like a firing pin. we will have to see how this plays out.
They said 'community members will likely be shocked' Well,what it is actually SHOCKING is, it took them almost 6 years to match a bullet to a gun owned by a man who admitted to being there that day... WTF...
I’ve been a huge supporter of LE on this case. But we have a guy that admits being there and wearing blue jeans and blue coat and he is forgot about for 5 years???? I mean how many people came to police and said they were there?????? It was probably only a few. He was one of a very very special and short list. I’m very confused.
All that is circumstantial though, right? Wearing similar clothes and being in the area won’t convict a perpetrator. It will be interesting though to find out what LE knew and when
@KathysSong the ammo and the gun is NOT circumstantial. Victim sees a gun as per the video. A bullet found at the scene confirms this and that bullet belongs to Richard Allen's gun.
@@KathySong1 They would have found the bullet at the scene so they could have asked him about owning guns in a 2nd interview within weeks of him admitting he was there, wearing the clothes people described and you can see in the video, and during the time that the crime would have taken place. The cops really fucked this one up unless there is something else that we don't know about.
@@cptn_chromo3189well I guess he may have denied owning a gun or that gun, he may have not had it registered and purchased illegally or stolen, then when his house /property was searched by LE they found the gun he denied having in his first or second or last interview???
My God. Those poor girls. I can’t imagine how scared they must have been. I have been following this case from the beginning and I really thought that an arrest would feel like a victory…in reality, it is so sad. Their families have been the picture of class throughout all of this and I have no idea how. They’re amazing.
I’m shocked by the people saying let him go. Don’t you understand how forensics work. He screwed himself leaving the bullet. It’s the same as a finger print guys. The marks on the bullet are completely unique to that gun. They dude has the balls to say he was dressed exactly like the suspect. Keeps the gun and the jacket. He really thought he was not gonna get caught.
Delphi must have the brightest Police force...only took 6yrs to link him to the scene. Good Job! Also how did his family fail to identify him walking on the bridge? Very sus to me.
I’m sorry but it’s common sense to ask this question. Get tired of people acting like it’s so horrible to ask. My wife could pick me out of a crowd of 100 people if I was dressed in my clothes. It’s obvious he didn’t but new. So she has to have seen those clothes hundreds of times. Not to mention she knew he was there. Now you can say he could have lied and said that is why he talked to police but if that was the case then that picture would have been dropped and LE would have said it’s cleared. Instead they have looked for a tip for 5 years. It just doesn’t seem possible
I'm confused.didnt he admit to being on the bridge 5yrs ago.so if that is the case than his wife would have no cause to look further I would think.since he already told the cops.i think I am going to get out of this story. God bless and help the families.
I'm surprised this defendant did not leave the key to his house too. Leaving a cycled/marked bullet within feet of the bodies is 'not smart.' Volunteering that he was in the area that day should have put him on the 'short list.'
Hindsight if these girls could have ran probably one would have gotten away to identify this guy. Perhaps this guy would have lost control of the situation and took off. It's terrible travesty.
@@xPlaguefearx I know but at that point maybe someone would have seen him or he would have freaked out and ran since he lost control of the situation. If you're being marched to your death and worse then what do you have to lose?
That's just it - WHY? I mean, a 45 yr old man with no prior criminal record & a longtime wife & family AND a steady job suddenly wakes up one day, goes for a walk & kills two pre-teen girls. It doesn't add up. Stranger things have happened, but ... wow. I'm wondering if this is just the tip of the ice berg...
Got him!! That's so much more evidence than I thought was going to link him to this. That puts him at the scene of the crime between the times this act was committed, and a bullet cycled specifically through his gun found between the two victims. That's much more than circumstantial evidence without an explanation. Hopefully the prosecutor can present a really solid case.
@@jamesa6080 well the literally only have one piece of flimsy physical evidence that his attorneys will very easily explain away because he lived, hiked, maybe hunted and target practiced out in those woods for a lot of years is just one example his attorneys could use. Everything else they have is circumstantial. There’s a very good chance he’s gonna walk if this is all they have.
They do have a few witnesses- that’s small but it’s something- his bullet, him admitting he was there during the time of the murders, him on video and his voice (I believe there is more unreleased video footage)… I heard (don’t know if this is true) that he took a pair of underwear from one of the victims.. maybe they found that during the search on his house? Not sure if they have to put all evidence into the affidavit… Also a possible link to Kline.. hopefully more information comes out- I think it took too long to get to this point… and the problem with that is the witnesses forget, and evidence gets destroyed or lost. I’m praying for the families and that justice will prevail.
So much more evidence? There is literally one piece of evidence outside of what Libby recorded. That is a unfired bullet. Not DNA. Not fingerprints. A bullet. That's a layup for the defense. He went to a shooting range and the bullet was ejected there and the killer came along snatched it and planted at the scene to throw police off. Then you got the Ron Logan search warrant affidavit that is chocked full of reasonable doubt. Then you got them in the middle of another huge mistake kind of their doing kind of not with the whole Kegan Kline debacle. They had the right idea not charging him until the Delphi case was solved but some new dipshit prosecutor came along and said "I don't care if I screw up the Delphi double murder investigation, I got an unemployed fatso pretending to be a rich good looking guy to get high schoolers to send him pictures of their tits" and went ahead charged him anyway. So the unemployed fatso and his lawyer know they illegally hacked into his devices and communications then went and got a search warrant so they have an excellent case of illegal search and seizure with Miranda rights violations (something that got serial rapist Cosby off the hook) sprinkled in here and there so they tell the dipshit prosecutor to take his plea deal and shove it up his ass. That forced ISP to release a statement to avoid an even bigger sh!t storm from being unleashed when the Delphi case is brought up in court out of nowhere. To this day you still have morons on the internet that believe Kline and his dad committed the murders. So there's some more reasonable doubt. This is far from a slam dunk as you seem to think. I'm not the least bit confident in their case. If Jose Biaz shows up or there are a couple former Floridians or Californians on the jury he's going to walk.
Every time the police keep cases secret, it seems like it's always so they can cover their asses. What a pathetic effort they made in this case. The moment they found out he was on the trail, they should've detained him and gotten a warrant to search his house.
True! Delphi is a small town where such heinous crimes only happen in big cities ~ not anymore! Anyhoo, small towns don't know how to manage a double homicide of 2 naked young girls in broad daylight who were also sexually molested. Imagine how 'horrified' the small police department of offers were to see this crime scene? That 'scene' is what nightmares are made of....
For what? It's not illegal to walk on a trail in America. You have to have probable cause for a search warrant. Being in close proximity to where a crime is committed doesn't count, wearing similar clothes and having a similar description doesn't count. Otherwise, there would be a lot of people subject to searches of their person and homes. What they could have done was had him unknowingly say the words on the video Libby took, and then had a forensic voice match to get the warrant. They could have obtained DNA from the crime scene, then in those five years done swabs of the men matching the man in the video when they discarded their cups, etc. in public. The PCA that was the probable cause to get the gun for the bullet match is shaky at best. They managed to convince a judge that a grey Ford Focus was similar to witness descriptions of a purple PT Cruiser and a smart car. Two female witnesses who were together on that day described the man they saw differently - one says the man had grey hair and a light blue jacket, and the other says he was in all black and had his face covered. They convinced the judge to sign off on those two descriptions as being matches to RA in the video. In America, we have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. RA admitted he was on the trail from the time prior to the murder, to a time after they were murdered. If he had lied, that would be incriminating. Laws exist to protect us from illegal search and seizure. Do you really want an America where suspicion of guilt leads to searches or arrests? If you do, you might want to be careful where you go, who you hang around with, who your family is, and how you appear to others. Also, don't own grey sedans because they are disproportionately owned by people who commit crimes due to their inconspicuous nature. Not saying all owners of grey sedans are criminals, just that a lot of criminals own grey sedans. So if suspicion is enough for searches, be prepared for a lot of them if you own one. Luckily for everyone, sufficient evidence needs to be found for a judge to sign off on a search warrant. If the search warrant leads to discovering incriminating evidence, only then is an arrest made when a crime is unwitnessed. Everyone wants justice, but it has to be done the right way, or it gets thrown out on a technicality. Personally, if I were the defense, I would be arguing fruit of the poisonous tree for the bullet because the PCA was flimsy as heck. It's like they want him to walk, or someone is doing a bad job of framing him. Everything about this case so far feels like theater. There is a CP ring involved. Allegedly. Don't let the three ring circus distract from that, or from Abby and Libby. Everyone involved should face justice.
This explains the secrecy around this case. The police had talked to the only man seen on the bridge wearing the same clothes as the suspect who owns the same gun and still waited five years to do anything? The police botched this immeasurably and are trying to cover it up.
That’s why I never trust cops, they’re not heros on this case , they’re liars. He was the only men there that day , no wonder they tried to seal the evidence to hide their incompetence and cover it up
@@magmasunburst9331 imagine if he didn’t do it and he is being set up and the real killer is walking free. Idk if he did it or not but he deserves a fair trial either way. If they don’t handle it right he can file appeal or they might not even get a conviction
Excuse me but WHY did it take 6 years to determine a bullet found at a crime scene came from someone’s gun who spoke with detectives? Couldn’t they have had an answer on this in…oh I don’t know….A WEEK!?
I don't know if he has a bigger ego than, being just stupid. Yet, they had all this, & it took them THIS long?? It makes you want to hang your head against the wall.
@@CrowSpirit1977 Why did it take cops 3 years to arrest Kline on CP charges on a laptop they had in their possession the entire time? Cops sleeping on the job.
Before you go building a gallows based on a empty shell; 'Firearms examiners suffer from what might be called “Sherlock Holmes Syndrome.” They claim they can “match” a cartridge case or bullet to a specific gun, and thus solve a case. Science is not on their side, however. Few studies of firearms exist and those that do indicate that examiners cannot reliably determine whether bullets or cartridges were fired by a particular gun. ' That's from Scientific American of May this year.
I am still so impressed by those girls' intelligence and good sense to record that guy. Their parents did a great job raising them to be cautious. That makes it all the more tragic, they should have been safe there. They must be so proud of these girls though 💜💜💜
Wow ur whole comment is just mind blowing! Someone did a HORRIBLE JOB at raising them or at least Libby anyway to be safe and cautious! She literally got not only herself but also her best friend murdered because she wanted to go meet up with a stranger off the internet. And if she really believed that Anthony Shots account, a rich, model, with $100,000 cars wanted to meet up with her in the woods on this bridge she was far from intelligent. I’m sorry but it’s just the truth. She definitely was not raised very well at all in the aspect of stranger danger and internet safety and related things.
I tell my kids all the time if someone threatens you with a gun you run and let them shoot because if they get you were they want you it will be a lot worse for you
Yessir!!! I've told my 3 sons girlfriends & wife the same thing...you better fight & scream loud like hell & if their gonna hurt u, force em do it where your at ...never go to a 2nd location cuz best believe what u would experience is gonna be far worse & don't give em an opportunity to hide your body so it's never found...if possible. My friends would say Oh girl your scaring the hell outta these kids..their going to college , their supposed to be care free & have fun...& I'd say where the hell have yal been & do you not see & hear what the hell is going on in this world?? It's not my goal to scare them but it's damn sure my job to make sure they have vital info that can save them so that they are at the least aware & understand that they have options as long as they don't go into fear mode & get passive for these sick bastards out here. I'd much rather them be "paranoid" & watching their surroundings & be alive than being a victim & attending their funerals. People gotta stop being scared to talk to their children so they don't go out into this world living in lala land thinkin it can't happen to them...I'm just as hard on my boys...I've had all 3 take classes on how to legally defend themselves in car jackings & robberies & their all legal licensed & trained gun owners. It's sad they needa be...but its just the reality we're living in.
I am astounded by the amount of people I see calling the police incompetent. Saying, Allen said he was there, he even described the clothes he was wearing. Pointing out they had video from the girl's cell phone and it STILL took the police 5 years to figure out "who done it". They go on to say, he should have been arrested years ago. As someone who worked 911 dispatch, I was considered a part of law enforcement. So it's obvious to me now that many people have NO idea that often after a crime has been committed the police know exactly who the guilty party is but unless THEY KNOW they can show enough proof to a jury they will not arrest him. If they dont have enough evidence to ensure a conviction it is often better to wait and see if they can gather more over time. From the newly released "PC", I can tell you a guilty verdict will not come easily if this is all they have. For years folks said the cell phone video looked just like Ron Logan, even showing many side by side comparisons with Ron wearing the exact same clothes the next day when he did a television interview. Ron owns the land where the girls were found. He has since died. I'm not the brightest bulb but I can see this could be a slam dunk defense case. So many armchair detectives out there who are working this case from their beds, one hand resting on their balls, while the other thumbs through "Reddit" gathering up clues. Don't tell me otherwise because I'm on the force with you. Police officers deal with the lowest of lot when it comes to humanity and do it working 12 hour ,7-7 shifts. Missing Christmas mornings/Thanksgiving dinners/school plays etc. so they can go muck around in the crap none of us would dare want to deal with. My town is a college town of 100k people. Until I worked 911 I had no idea how many suicides we had every month because they don't get put in the news. I was on the phone more than a handful of times and had to listen to the sound of a gun being shoved down a throat and then the blasting off of a round. I was only LISTENING on the phone....the officers (you love to put down) have to go walk through all that. Car accidents here in Georgia, those are a real added "perk" of the job. People ejected through or embedded in a windshield along with their unrestrained toddler that ends up crumpled in the back seat with labored breathing, arms and legs in positions they were never designed to go in. Then there is the toddler that WAS strapped into a car seat but may have faired better if they had just been ejected from the car, instead of being in a seat that the seatbelts were improperly affixed to causing the seat to be partially ejected through a back window left tethered while the car rolled over them a few times. Women and children who had been abused were the worst. After I left seeking a job with sane hours ...I still had one last court case. That call started with a kid, 8 or 9 years old, hiding in a closet, naked, on a school night, calling 911 because his Moms boyfriend had gotten mad. Because this man didn't want to beat his own baby he took the infant from Moms arms and then according to the little guy that called me, tossed the baby "into the other room" then got busy beating his Mother with a kitchen chair until the chair broke on her but his rage wasn't finished. When call came through to me he was in middle of using just the leg of the chair to continue and beat her with it until she "wasn't moving" . Of course the boy was begging me to hurry because "I don't want my Momma to die" "I think she might be dead" I have to reassure him "hang tight honey they are on the way" encouraging him to be very quiet and not talk so much because I didnt want him to be heard making call. Poor little guy was praying to God outloud and I took over his prayers for him to keep him quiet and calm. I told him the police were almost there....his next sentence was " I don't have any pants on I'm embarrassed". He told the police when they got there that the boyfriend told him earlier in the evening if he "disrespected" him he was going to take a funnel and force a gallon of bleach down his throat. I have stories like this, lots of stories....I could go on all day. This was just a Wednesday night. So please all you armchair detectives. I know you think you would have had this case wrapped up in 48 hours but I know how much real work goes into policing.The saddest aspects and situations that human nature can provide, the paperwork, the hours, the courtroom, the mandatory trainings and practice sessions at the gun range, *The wife complaining that you are never home while worrying that something might happen to make it so you never can come home. Oh and then to read all of the "internet officers" out there signing in for duty from the bathroom command center. Surrounded by empty toilet paper cardboards that have been piling up for weeks. "Officer Smartypants McReddit" going to spend the day commenting on the horrible job the police did. According to him they really "dropped the ball" .
This comment not related to this at all...My guy please look into your own mental health....not a putdown but you're obviously suffering from PTSD...im sure you're aware and thank you for your service
I worked for 30 years in mainly civil litigation, and some preliminary criminal cases. I'm not taking up for the police, and I know there are a lot of questions why didn't they act sooner. The reason is, they only get one bite from this apple, and before they can file for an arrest warrant, the bar is extremely high that they have the legal right to get a warrant to test the gun, which leads to an arrest warrant. From here on out, every single step they take will be either approved or dismissed by the prosecutor so that the defendant can't come back after trial, or before, and file an appeal saying there was a mistake against the law which throws the gun out, and without the gun and its link to Allen, the case can't go forward. I know it's difficult, but be patient. Allow the law to guide this case from arrest, to a trial, and conviction. Sincere sympathy to the families and friends of these two young girls. Justice is coming. My own personal opinion is that he will negotiate life with no.parole as opposed to conviction and the death penalty. If there is someone else involved. He will have to give up that name and testify in open court.
Well said. I’m trying to think like that. Also to me the officer that took his statement is really where the buck stops. Just saying they have to assume people taking tips would make sure one like that was followed up on. How that LE officer saw that picture and description for 5 years and not think of that interview I’m just not sure.
@chronicreader that is a fair statement. I live in Virginia, so I don't know anyone involved on either side, and this is absolute speculation on my part. I keep being drawn back to two things, which as a parent living there, I'd never let my kids out of the door alone. Again, I want to emphasize, this is pure conjecture on my part. It wasn't making sense to me, either. Not the length of time. As much as why did the FBI agent release info back in February. So this was right after his arrest, I looked for missing children, and in the state of Indiana, for 2022 ... this year .... there are 25 missing children ... TWENTY FIVE!!! I've been involved with cases that have a dark, dark element, and so I looked at who.is in the area. In the town of approximately 3,000 people, there is a church of Satan. And they aren't hiding in the shadows. They claim rights as freedom of religion, and there was a big upheaval because they had a street renamed church of Satan, or something like that. The public were not happy, but the sheriff put out a statement that they were within their constitutional rights. And he was not taking it down unless they broke the law. Statistically speaking, there is a good chance that people in the public view are members of that church. It is a worldwide. Global institution, like catholicism. There's a picture of Allen sitting on a bench in the children's play area of that park. While not claiming he's a Satanist, I think the evidence will prove he's a pedophile. And I'm going deep down this rabbit hole, I think he reached out to Libbie on some chat room, that a meeting was scheduled within the confines of the time to be there. She's expecting a hot teenager, and instead who turns up? Allen. I think she knew at that point game over. And I'm going even deeper, I think this was a planned ritual killing. The only thing regarding their bodies at the crime scene was that there was a lot of blood. I think they were both stabbed in the shape of a pentagram, or to the four directions. I don't remember whether they released any info about sexual assault. So, how does that lead us to Allen's arrest? Enter Klein. Klein was initially charged with just about every law regarding pedophilia, then suddenly, charges were dropped, others changed to misdemeanors, then the warrant served on Allen at his home. Where they were looking for specific items, I don't know if that was when the gun was recovered and sent away for forensic testing. When the lab came back positive, an arrest warrant was issued, and the SOB who is accused of the deaths of these two young girls, is a dumbass who thought he could hire a lawyer for 500 bucks, learned the real truth is closer to 25 k just to talk to a lawyer. That's when he writes to the judge whimpering that I throw myself on the mercy of the court to appoint an attorney, which wasn't necessary, just say I can't afford one, please appoint an attorney. How much mercy did he give those poor girls before brandishing a gun and ordering them down the hill. I also think whomever Allen was involved with has literally left him to his own devices, and he'd better remain silent. So, after all of that, the fact it took so long to name a suspect is moot. It can't be changed. Doesn't mean that it won't be an issue for the future, but right now, the trial is tentatively set for trial this spring. Unless they get a plea bargain, I don't think that date will stand. Also, the defense will request a change of venue, because I'm not sure he can get an independent jury in that jurisdiction. If the trial is moved, it could be months before a new date is set. If I were his lawyer. I'd negotiate a plea deal. Sorry this got so long. You made a very valid point, and one I think may be investigated further. I can't get past the FBI agent releasing the documents. He knows something. And, why is the FBI involved in a local case at all? Anything involving the internet is a federal case, and they usually work with local LE. Oh, sorry, I forgot this... the date is significant. They were found on Valentines day, two hearts. Creepy. On a nonmetallic opinion, I personally hope he rots in hell. Best, Patricia
Well said @3rscraftingjtb779, unfortunately far too many people are so narrow minded they will be incapable of contemplating what you just said. Regardless, I am enjoying the fact that today is a good day as we've learned LE have solid evidence.
Dude, shut the fuck up. There was a bullet that matched Richard Allen’s gun that he says no one else has ever handled. He admits to being at the scene of the crime wearing the exact same clothes , matches the description of the video, and lives within 3 miles of the crime scene. Now stop licking the idiot cops boots and start to wonder who in the upper echelons on the police department are complicit and are in fact a part of the pedo ring themselves? It doesn’t take 5 fucking years to match ballistics on a gun from a guy that matches the description who places himself at the scene of the crime on the exact day and time. Fuck these key stone idiot cops. They are ALL corrupt. Don’t tell me carter hasn’t known for years and there won’t be a thing anyone can say to convince me otherwise. Dirty ass cops who allowed the horrific murder of two little girls and you want to play arm chair prosecutor. Why don’t you stick your body in the same hole that your head is in.
@@3rscrafting I have no clue as to where you are getting your conspiracy theories, but ZERO charges regarding pedophilia and Klein have been dropped. And could you please stop putting this crap out there in the world as if your thoughts are to be heard by anyone but yourself. Nothing has been released about the crime scene other than the scene was staged. Everything else is just crazy ass fantasy on your part and I suggest you either get a therapist or join the church of satan, you seem to be very enamored but them and where their locations are. Shame on you. I’m embarrassed for you. Just can’t be some nasty ass men raping and killing little girls? And there wasn’t one, there are two victims. So one parent didn’t say, yeah, go out alone at the age of 13 you daft victim shamer. You can’t delete the words you say, but certainly you can delete some long diatribe that only makes sense to those that haven’t been involved in prosecutions and investigations like myself. Wonder how many other little girls he raped and murdered while these incompetent, COMPLICIT cops “investigated”. Richard Allen admitted to being at the crime scene on the day of the crime. A bullet that matches his gun was found in between the two girls and he told the cops that no one but him has handled that weapon. What the fuck else? Hmmmm? Maybe go watch some crime shows on you tube to see how this type of evidence convicts people everyday. Not 6 years after they murder their victims.
Someone who has been through the system (Mrs Randall 🙌🏻) once said the FBI have an insane high conviction rate (like 98 or 99% if memory serves) because they don't prosecute until they are certain they have more than enough for conviction. As soon as I heard they were on this and they charged him I knew it must be him.
Oh they do, trust me. Especially since they searched his home and a source claimed they found incriminating evidence, but even if they don't, that alone is enough to make a convincing case to me.
Great coverage of these horrid details linking this creep to this horrendous crime! As for the change of venue request, the country has been following this case and will continue until there is justice for Libby an Abby! ♥️🙏🏻
That PC document shows, without a doubt that Richard Allen was BG, and Allen himself said he saw 3 females on the bridge, and 3 females questioned also identified him wearing the same BG clothes and he was muddied and bloodied.
But they all say different things. Dark jacket, light jacket, black jacket...grey hair with maybe brown...he had a hat on so was that the beard? How did they see the beard when they said they couldn't see his face and his mouth was covered..?? No taller than 5' 10". He is very short. I'm sorry but this is not enough imo. Maybe they can really hammer the bullet home but the witnesses .... they wouldn't convince me on the jury!
Except that they horribly fumbles this case by letting him slip through their fingers 6 years ago and letting an alleged child killer who literally basically turned himself in in the very beginning roam free to possibly kill more children for 6 years. They just wanted to cover their asses is all. Now I don’t trust this entire case at all.
I mean do people around him remember him with that jacket? The biggest thing about all this is that people from that town never said it sounds like him or if they have seen him wearing those clothing items.
I think this is fair question but even more so when it comes to his wife. Do you honestly think she saw that image of the guy on the bridge and didn’t recognize the clothes automatically. I’m sorry my wife knows every single piece of clothing I own and could pick me out in s crowd of 100. She knew he was there that day. I mean are we seriously supposed to believe she didn’t know the picture was of him. I bet we might find out he told her that is why he came him to police BUT then they would have said the picture was cleared. It wasn’t so she couldn’t believe that. I’m confused.
Extraction marks on a bullet are when it's loaded into a gun it leaves imprints on the front end of the bullet that are unique to each gun even without being fired. For whatever reason perhaps flustered and rushed even after not shooting he left behind a unused bullet that at some point was loaded in his gun which in return Forensically linked his weapon to the crimes.
You can't tie a bullet to a gun when the bullet has been fired. There aren't going to be uniquely identifiable markings on any bullet that's been ejected from the chamber, or maybe even simply dropped before being loaded. Most hand guns use common caliber bullets. So no, you can't "forensically link" this bullet to his specific gun. The prosecutors can argue it's certainly odd a bullet found next to the victim matches the caliber of the suspects weapon, but that doesn't absolutely establish a relationship between the gun, the bullet, and the suspect. Circumstantial evidence can be significant, but that's all this is.
@@AndyCutright That's what it sounds like to me. And if it wasn't fired from the gun, anyone with any knowledge of his gun could have placed it there. And they could have buried evidence on his property when they were out of town.
Wow its stunning how little people know about firearms these days. That ejected unspent round has the fingerprints of his firearm. Under a microscope it has marks on it that only the gun that ejected it will make. This is as good as his fingerprints. And shells are made out of brass which in the elements corrodes very fast. Forensics can tell if its been on the ground overnight or a week or longer. Considering he puts himself on that bridge himself and he has bg’s fat cheeks and none of the other persons of interest have the fat cheeks but him. I think they got the right guy.
In the US, guns are part of the survival-of-the-fittest evolutionary equation. Get killed or go to prison, and procreation is over. Now, if we could just learn to get along and respect life.
Thank you WTHR for publishing this report. Many people are relieved that the truth and facts are finally out. God Bless all who helped catch this guy. With these facts I feel they have silenced this monster for good.
I wonder how dumb allen felt after telling investigators what he was wearing and than seeing the video of him released you know he was stressing for time
He used his gun to control them, not kill them. They are probably killed with a knife which were found in his possession. Their clothes found in a creek, probably made them undress. He was nervous and sloppy, angry maybe, that's why he left evidence unintentionally. He was looking for victims in a broad daylight. He just couldn't help himself. He is quite possibly impotent that's why he was so angry, he couldn't sa them or he didn't have time, I guess. I hope they have more to have him convicted and lock him up forever.
He tried to use his gun at some point. It jammed, he ejected the unspent bullet with jamming/ejection marks on it, it fell to the ground, and he neglected to retrieve it. Long story short ? He sunk his own ship.
Making it up as you go along here...if they had the knife,they have a case,but they don't...he'll walk, a bullet (a fit up) isn't enough! Too much inbetween doesn't fit,getting two teenagers from the sth side of the bridge to the crime scene on the nth side, without crossing that river...no one crossed that, just look at the TV footage from the helicopter the following day, and that's after the water went down,according to river data?
It is unbelievable that the defence didn't think this was much to talk about. Not much maybe but I don't think they can deny that the evidence are strong.
I swear to God if I had a kid they would not own a cell phone. To think these girls were talking to a pedophile ring via a shared Snapchat account and they so easily got killed because of it is so fucking crazy
If you just cycle a round, it leaves no trace. The strike on the primer leaves a mark on the case, and the rifling of the core going through the barrel at a rate of speed marks the round..... something is missing here. Just a chamber and clear does nothing a half decent layer couldn't dispute easy.
You’re wrong guys, 15h30 in 24 hour clock is 3:30 PM, NOT 2:30PM. And I knew a gun had to be involved, it’s the best way to get 2 people to submit without a fight.
I remember posting an opinion on reddit about how future suspect's attorneys would most likely request change of venue. They told me I was off and asked what the heck was wrong with me?? Goes to show, ppl are just stupid.
Omg 😂 how can he be so stupid to eject a round and not pick it up. They got his ass. That ejected round is like a fingerprint to that weapon. Well this shows how dumb ricky is. So when they searched allen s house and took possession of his firearm he knew he was done
I bet he looked for that ejected round, couldn't find it underneath all the leaf litter and thought "FAAAAAAARK" as half of him was desperate to stay and locate it and the other half was in panic knowing he had to run before he was discovered. I like to picture him perspiring the FEAR from his pores because he knew he f#cked up and there was no way he could pray to God for help after the evil act he'd just committed. It SUCKS to be RICKY ALLEN.
This is all I need to know now he is guilty. The public wanted to make sure he wasn’t innocent! Thank you to the judge for releasing this. They will get the change of venue too. God bless the families and all involved. Justice for Libby and Abby
So they have him on wardrobe, vehicle identification, possible voice. Police have him on the trail, 2017 interview. Witnesses have matching (from the video) suspect near the bridge. Unspent round, ballistics match his firearm. Timeline. This is pretty good PC, enough for a jury to look at. Totally unclear why the prosecutor wanted this sealed, maybe the redacted part explains that.
@@kevinr.3542 Would they wait that long on the main charge to tie Kathy (wife) in as an accessory? They had all of this in 2017, save maybe the ballistic evidence from the state crime lab. I can't imagine they would have taken a long time on marks from cycling a round, but I don't know that either. Maybe that is new science or something? It doesn't seem that hard from here, again I would not know.
Sadly it took years to arrest him but they needed to make absolutely positively sure it was him, witch explained them being so vague about everything for so long. One mistake on there part and he may have gotten away with this.
Exactly!! the trial is going to be super quick if this is all they have after 6 years. no wonders his lawyers are confident!! there is no way of putting that bullet at that scene at a certain time. it could have been a week before or a month before. The police cannot prove when that bullet was left there.
@@itsjuliam to the area - he already said he goes to that area. a court will not convict him on that one thing alone - what else do the police have, any phone data, pc searches, what was in his garden? what did they find in his house. I am so disappointed - I really thought that they had this guy but his lawyer can refute this easily
Wow, with all those statements, it truly baffles my mind that they didnt arrest this guy within a few months of the murder. I just cant believe they had all those statements & video and even his own descritprion of himself and they went 6 yrs...
Yeah so let's release all this information for news purposes instead of letting them do their job and make a good strong case. This is frustrating. Hopefully there is justice for these girls.
Did anyone else get frustrated in the first few minutes - waiting to hear what it says, while they chatted back and forth about what we know??? I was shouting at the screen GET ON WITH IT!!! I am too impatient, So they have a bullet - matching his gun?? when was it there? if it is unspent - how can it have unique markings??
You have an unspent round on the ground because he racked the slide. The only reason you would do this is because you do not realize there is already a round in the chamber OR you are doing that to intimidate someone (akin to racking a shotgun). I assume he did that to try to regain control of a situation that was falling apart and he needed to freeze one of the girls while he was stabbing the other?
@@lindastacy8840 No one heard gun shots? I don't think they told us how the girls were murdered. Now we know about the bullet found between the 2 bodies so a gun was involved.
uh idk why my ammo is between the girls bodies ... i have no idea who coulda took my gun and went shooting at monon high bridge the day i was there ... he gonna get bucked up in that system that ol boy gonna get booty bandit business
I'm curious to hear his voice. I don't believe there was a 2nd accomplice, unless it was the property owner. It seems unlikely that 2 people lived around town for 5 years with this public secret and they've never been identified? What about his wife? Coworkers? The image of bridge guy was all over the news. It was only one person that did this to the girls. I truly believed that it was the property owner the entire time, but finding an identifiable bullet.....definitely seems to point to Richard Allen.
I feel that a capable defense team could create more than enough doubt by discrediting the science used to identify that bullet. I would hope that they have more than that, if not, I can definitely see why they waited so long to arrest Richard Allen. With his clean background and their weak evidence it's a big gamble for such a notorious case. Is one thing to know he's guilty, but a much harder thing to prove it in court.
As an attorney....the prosecution..imo.. are merely trying to protect the integrity of this case to ensure conviction in court . Cautious yet confident.
That's the first step, in a common sense direction... Dumb prosecutor, luckily this judge saved his case... now fire that prosecutor and bring in a better one.
If i had to guess he probably racked the slide for intimidation and forgot he already had one in the chamber. Thats the only way i know a bullet would cycle without being fired. Or it jammed and he cleared it.
I'm from Australia and I've been following this case. My heart goes out to there families. Those poor innocent girls they had there whole life ahead of them. That bastard took it away. I hope he gets tortured in jail
I don't understand how it was a local man in an extremely small town, and nobody recognized him. I grew up in a small town that had ten times the population... and you couldn't get away with 💩 Everybody was so nosey and knew everybody's business. It smells like "To make a murderer" type of situation 🤔
Nearly 5 years to match a bullet to a gun owned by a guy who admitted to being there. Unbelievable.
Exactly my thoughts
I think they were trying to get more evidence. The bullet alone would not be enough. And also, they may not have known the gun belonged to him since it was a round that cycled thru the gun but was not discharged. I hope they have plenty of evidence to convict him and keep him .
Incompetent policework AS USUAL. NEVER FAILS.
Wtf 😂the magic bullet
They didn't say the girls where shot they just said they found ONE bullet between the bodies and no other bullets?!?!?! Sounds fishy
it's really a shame this wasn't solved sooner. the girls literally did what they could in their final moments to get this guy held accountable yet police were beyond negligent. RIP sweet babies.
That’s why I never trust cops, they’re not heros on this case , they’re liars. He was the only men there that day , no wonder they tried to seal the evidence to hide their incompetence and cover it up
@@habibba2323 i don't particularly trust cops but i do respect the position they're in. many put their life on the line just to do the job itself. i think the problem here was the lack of adequate staffing and investigators working on this case. i feel like they just forgot about it altogether after a few months, which is so so unfair not only to the victims but to their families wanting answers as well. this could've been solved within a year with proper resources, yet internet sleuths had to be the ones to get it moving again.
I agree! I know the most important thing is it is solved now. But the matching ballistics being overlooked is an insane oversight to me. The girls did everything they could to nail him. Praying he didn’t kill anyone else during all the time he had when he should have been locked up! RIH girls. You are never forgotten ❤❤
Probably a lot of "looks like him but not 100% sure" in identifying the man from the moving video... but now, they have plenty of evidence including a suspect. Justice will be served. The general public is grateful LE did their job... it wasn't easy, physically, mentally, emotional. Why are there always that ungrateful few, with no knowledge or experience in homicide or law, who are so quick to ONLY find fault... who will think they themselves or that LE could have done way better.
@@annraczok670 not gonna argue with you but there's PLENTY of things that LE could've done better. they had bullet evidence right away and literally had this guy confess early on that he had the same gun. we are obviously grateful that justice is finally being served, however, it took absolutely way too long. not okay for the families involved who had to deal with the absurd wait.
My heart sank when I heard them say "the victim mentions gun" . I just got a really bad mental image of what he did to these poor little girls 🥺. Rip Libby and Abby, justice is coming
Well yeah, but not like another weapon would have been better.
A gun is probably the least cruel way of killing someone. A bullet is a quick death, a knife is usually a slow painful death.
That's what I mean video game dude he went there to kill them specifically and they don't want to talk about what the motive is is he part of a pedo ring???
i think the gun was used to coerce the girls “down the hill”. I think he pulled out the gun where the girls’ bodies were found and accidentally dropped that bullet near them.
Mine did too. They must’ve been so scared. I always thought you could see the outline of the gun in bridge guy’s jacket pocket.
He placed himself on the bridge at the right time and mentioned passing three people who also noticed him. There was a spent shell between the two girls’ bodies that came from his gun. He said no one ever had possession of his gun except for him. Once they have a motive this looks amazingly solid to me.
Not to mention a driver who spotted him and said he was muddy and bloody.
@@ADDrecords To quote Christopher Walken's Character, Carlo Bartolucci, in Suicide Kings, "Cops can't find their d*** with both hands."
You don't need motive, the rest of the evidence needs to do the heavy lifting.
@@BigBoogookie wow.. That was so insightful 😒
Yes super solid!!!
This is why they want to hide the facts of the case from the public. He literally slipped through the cracks. The incompetence is stunning that it took so long to make an arrest while they had him there the whole time
wth? slipped through the cracks??? how so?
@@spookytkid yup ! They interviewed him in 2017 , he clearly told them everything about him being there at the same time , and they just never followed up until last October, If that’s not negligence, idk what it is
What? They have no evidence on this guy. Anyone who knew Allen could have gotten that bullet at any time. His son- in- law could have set him up. If that's all the evidence they have he's going to walk.
@@habibba2323 There’s this pesky little thing called evidence. You cannot arrest someone without sufficient evidence. It doesn’t matter if they admitted they were there or not.
@@phillipstroll7385 i have never heard they can specially scientifically identify a gun by extraction marks. its not like a firing pin. we will have to see how this plays out.
They said 'community members will likely be shocked'
Well,what it is actually SHOCKING is, it took them almost 6 years to match a bullet to a gun owned by a man who admitted to being there that day...
WTF...
I’ve been a huge supporter of LE on this case. But we have a guy that admits being there and wearing blue jeans and blue coat and he is forgot about for 5 years???? I mean how many people came to police and said they were there?????? It was probably only a few. He was one of a very very special and short list. I’m very confused.
All that is circumstantial though, right? Wearing similar clothes and being in the area won’t convict a perpetrator.
It will be interesting though to find out what LE knew and when
@KathysSong the ammo and the gun is NOT circumstantial. Victim sees a gun as per the video. A bullet found at the scene confirms this and that bullet belongs to Richard Allen's gun.
@@KathySong1 They would have found the bullet at the scene so they could have asked him about owning guns in a 2nd interview within weeks of him admitting he was there, wearing the clothes people described and you can see in the video, and during the time that the crime would have taken place. The cops really fucked this one up unless there is something else that we don't know about.
@@KathySong1 The bullet from his gun found at the crime scene is not 'circumstantial' evidence imo.
@@cptn_chromo3189well I guess he may have denied owning a gun or that gun, he may have not had it registered and purchased illegally or stolen, then when his house /property was searched by LE they found the gun he denied having in his first or second or last interview???
My God. Those poor girls. I can’t imagine how scared they must have been. I have been following this case from the beginning and I really thought that an arrest would feel like a victory…in reality, it is so sad. Their families have been the picture of class throughout all of this and I have no idea how. They’re amazing.
Its horrifying.
I’m shocked by the people saying let him go. Don’t you understand how forensics work. He screwed himself leaving the bullet. It’s the same as a finger print guys. The marks on the bullet are completely unique to that gun. They dude has the balls to say he was dressed exactly like the suspect. Keeps the gun and the jacket. He really thought he was not gonna get caught.
SO true.
Exactly. There is plenty of evidence pointing to it being Richard Allen.
Ikr wtf!!!!!
So glad most criminals are dumb AF
If the bullet didn't kill anyone it'll still be hard to pin a murder on him, duh. The forensic only give them circumstancel evidence so far.
Delphi must have the brightest Police force...only took 6yrs to link him to the scene. Good Job!
Also how did his family fail to identify him walking on the bridge? Very sus to me.
I’m sorry but it’s common sense to ask this question. Get tired of people acting like it’s so horrible to ask. My wife could pick me out of a crowd of 100 people if I was dressed in my clothes. It’s obvious he didn’t but new. So she has to have seen those clothes hundreds of times. Not to mention she knew he was there. Now you can say he could have lied and said that is why he talked to police but if that was the case then that picture would have been dropped and LE would have said it’s cleared. Instead they have looked for a tip for 5 years. It just doesn’t seem possible
I would recognize my husband's clothes, height, gait etc. Oh and his voice.
I'm confused.didnt he admit to being on the bridge 5yrs ago.so if that is the case than his wife would have no cause to look further I would think.since he already told the cops.i think I am going to get out of this story. God bless and help the families.
I'm surprised this defendant did not leave the key to his house too. Leaving a cycled/marked bullet within feet of the bodies is 'not smart.' Volunteering that he was in the area that day should have put him on the 'short list.'
So proud of these girls they caught their murderer because they were wise enough to film him. May they rest in eternal peace. 🙏
Absolutely. Not only that, their good sense may have saved how many other kids from the same fate had this monster never been caught. Little heroes ✨
Hindsight if these girls could have ran probably one would have gotten away to identify this guy. Perhaps this guy would have lost control of the situation and took off. It's terrible travesty.
@@sparrowflying864 I agree perhaps he would have also left of one got away. The family believes they stayed together because of their friendship.
@@sparrowflying864 Outrun a bullet on a rickety bridge?
@@xPlaguefearx I know but at that point maybe someone would have seen him or he would have freaked out and ran since he lost control of the situation. If you're being marched to your death and worse then what do you have to lose?
Premeditated. Hiding his face from others on the trail.
HIS WIFE DID HIS LAUNDRY or bought those clothes & shoes. Prior to killing same shoes & jacket were on his photos.
That's just it - WHY? I mean, a 45 yr old man with no prior criminal record & a longtime wife & family AND a steady job suddenly wakes up one day, goes for a walk & kills two pre-teen girls. It doesn't add up. Stranger things have happened, but ... wow. I'm wondering if this is just the tip of the ice berg...
Yes...covered face and weapon. He went to kill and did. What a horrible man🤬
@@Knockface prosecutor said he believes he didn’t act alone they have to have something else
He was probably drunk and wanting to commit some first degree crimes!!
Got him!! That's so much more evidence than I thought was going to link him to this. That puts him at the scene of the crime between the times this act was committed, and a bullet cycled specifically through his gun found between the two victims. That's much more than circumstantial evidence without an explanation. Hopefully the prosecutor can present a really solid case.
Yea I really hope they don’t let a creative defense attorney cast doubt in the jurors minds, if it gets to a trial
@@jamesa6080 well the literally only have one piece of flimsy physical evidence that his attorneys will very easily explain away because he lived, hiked, maybe hunted and target practiced out in those woods for a lot of years is just one example his attorneys could use. Everything else they have is circumstantial. There’s a very good chance he’s gonna walk if this is all they have.
They do have a few witnesses- that’s small but it’s something- his bullet, him admitting he was there during the time of the murders, him on video and his voice (I believe there is more unreleased video footage)…
I heard (don’t know if this is true) that he took a pair of underwear from one of the victims.. maybe they found that during the search on his house? Not sure if they have to put all evidence into the affidavit…
Also a possible link to Kline.. hopefully more information comes out- I think it took too long to get to this point… and the problem with that is the witnesses forget, and evidence gets destroyed or lost. I’m praying for the families and that justice will prevail.
So much more evidence? There is literally one piece of evidence outside of what Libby recorded. That is a unfired bullet. Not DNA. Not fingerprints. A bullet. That's a layup for the defense. He went to a shooting range and the bullet was ejected there and the killer came along snatched it and planted at the scene to throw police off. Then you got the Ron Logan search warrant affidavit that is chocked full of reasonable doubt. Then you got them in the middle of another huge mistake kind of their doing kind of not with the whole Kegan Kline debacle. They had the right idea not charging him until the Delphi case was solved but some new dipshit prosecutor came along and said "I don't care if I screw up the Delphi double murder investigation, I got an unemployed fatso pretending to be a rich good looking guy to get high schoolers to send him pictures of their tits" and went ahead charged him anyway. So the unemployed fatso and his lawyer know they illegally hacked into his devices and communications then went and got a search warrant so they have an excellent case of illegal search and seizure with Miranda rights violations (something that got serial rapist Cosby off the hook) sprinkled in here and there so they tell the dipshit prosecutor to take his plea deal and shove it up his ass. That forced ISP to release a statement to avoid an even bigger sh!t storm from being unleashed when the Delphi case is brought up in court out of nowhere. To this day you still have morons on the internet that believe Kline and his dad committed the murders. So there's some more reasonable doubt. This is far from a slam dunk as you seem to think. I'm not the least bit confident in their case. If Jose Biaz shows up or there are a couple former Floridians or Californians on the jury he's going to walk.
@@jamesa6080 they can't stop an attorney from casting doubt to jurors lol. That's his only job and he's got a pretty easy one here.
Every time the police keep cases secret, it seems like it's always so they can cover their asses. What a pathetic effort they made in this case. The moment they found out he was on the trail, they should've detained him and gotten a warrant to search his house.
True! Delphi is a small town where such heinous crimes only happen in big cities ~ not anymore! Anyhoo, small towns don't know how to manage a double homicide of 2 naked young girls in broad daylight who were also sexually molested. Imagine how 'horrified' the small police department of offers were to see this crime scene? That 'scene' is what nightmares are made of....
@@deborahhershey3045 I thought they said there was sexual assault?
For what? It's not illegal to walk on a trail in America. You have to have probable cause for a search warrant. Being in close proximity to where a crime is committed doesn't count, wearing similar clothes and having a similar description doesn't count. Otherwise, there would be a lot of people subject to searches of their person and homes. What they could have done was had him unknowingly say the words on the video Libby took, and then had a forensic voice match to get the warrant. They could have obtained DNA from the crime scene, then in those five years done swabs of the men matching the man in the video when they discarded their cups, etc. in public. The PCA that was the probable cause to get the gun for the bullet match is shaky at best. They managed to convince a judge that a grey Ford Focus was similar to witness descriptions of a purple PT Cruiser and a smart car. Two female witnesses who were together on that day described the man they saw differently - one says the man had grey hair and a light blue jacket, and the other says he was in all black and had his face covered. They convinced the judge to sign off on those two descriptions as being matches to RA in the video. In America, we have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. RA admitted he was on the trail from the time prior to the murder, to a time after they were murdered. If he had lied, that would be incriminating. Laws exist to protect us from illegal search and seizure. Do you really want an America where suspicion of guilt leads to searches or arrests? If you do, you might want to be careful where you go, who you hang around with, who your family is, and how you appear to others. Also, don't own grey sedans because they are disproportionately owned by people who commit crimes due to their inconspicuous nature. Not saying all owners of grey sedans are criminals, just that a lot of criminals own grey sedans. So if suspicion is enough for searches, be prepared for a lot of them if you own one. Luckily for everyone, sufficient evidence needs to be found for a judge to sign off on a search warrant. If the search warrant leads to discovering incriminating evidence, only then is an arrest made when a crime is unwitnessed. Everyone wants justice, but it has to be done the right way, or it gets thrown out on a technicality. Personally, if I were the defense, I would be arguing fruit of the poisonous tree for the bullet because the PCA was flimsy as heck. It's like they want him to walk, or someone is doing a bad job of framing him. Everything about this case so far feels like theater. There is a CP ring involved. Allegedly. Don't let the three ring circus distract from that, or from Abby and Libby. Everyone involved should face justice.
Exactly why everyone here is freaking out about the Idaho murders. Because they are so tight lipped getting major flashbacks to this case
@luckyree9 you think they have it buttoned up and are waiting to make the arrest like everyone says? I don’t think I believe that
This explains the secrecy around this case. The police had talked to the only man seen on the bridge wearing the same clothes as the suspect who owns the same gun and still waited five years to do anything? The police botched this immeasurably and are trying to cover it up.
That’s why I never trust cops, they’re not heros on this case , they’re liars. He was the only men there that day , no wonder they tried to seal the evidence to hide their incompetence and cover it up
100% agree. I hope he is the one who did it but they have this so messed up I can’t see how they will ever get a convection
Imagine if he did it to others in that time?
@@magmasunburst9331 imagine if he didn’t do it and he is being set up and the real killer is walking free. Idk if he did it or not but he deserves a fair trial either way. If they don’t handle it right he can file appeal or they might not even get a conviction
I've thought the same thing. Trying to save themselves embarrassment. What if he ditched the gun 2 months ago? They would never have caught him.
Why did it take over 5 years to conduct the 2nd interview with Allen? He was one of a few men that were on the trail during the time it happened.
He was the only men there that day , no wonder they tried to seal the evidence to hide their incompetence
Million dollar question, isn't it?
his friend is a cop.
it says in the doccument they saw him walking back to his car, with muddy and bloody clothing?
this case was botched.
@@ommitedommited154 hell yea it was
He’s probably a Freemason
Excuse me but WHY did it take 6 years to determine a bullet found at a crime scene came from someone’s gun who spoke with detectives? Couldn’t they have had an answer on this in…oh I don’t know….A WEEK!?
I don't know if he has a bigger ego than, being just stupid. Yet, they had all this, & it took them THIS long?? It makes you want to hang your head against the wall.
Something ain't right about the bullet. Nobody ever even said anything about a gun until now. Planted there??
@@CrowSpirit1977 everything is a conspiracy lol.
Grow up.
@@CrowSpirit1977 Why did it take cops 3 years to arrest Kline on CP charges on a laptop they had in their possession the entire time? Cops sleeping on the job.
To build a case?
They have him signed, sealed, delivered to either death penalty or life without parole.
I hope it’s the former.
Before you go building a gallows based on a empty shell;
'Firearms examiners suffer from what might be called “Sherlock Holmes Syndrome.” They claim they can “match” a cartridge case or bullet to a specific gun, and thus solve a case. Science is not on their side, however. Few studies of firearms exist and those that do indicate that examiners cannot reliably determine whether bullets or cartridges were fired by a particular gun. '
That's from Scientific American of May this year.
Death is too good for him…hope he suffers with his guilty till the end of his days…
Better yet make it quick 💉😡 no need feed house this POS
Glad your not fit for jury duty, I'd hate to be innocent in front of you, a non thinker?
He admits to being there. He admits nobody else has ever touched that specific gun. Wtf was his lawyer talking about "they have no evidence"?
I am still so impressed by those girls' intelligence and good sense to record that guy. Their parents did a great job raising them to be cautious. That makes it all the more tragic, they should have been safe there. They must be so proud of these girls though 💜💜💜
Ummm “good sense”??? Good sense would’ve been to not go meeting up with strange men u met on the internet. This was far from good sense unfortunately
Wow ur whole comment is just mind blowing! Someone did a HORRIBLE JOB at raising them or at least Libby anyway to be safe and cautious! She literally got not only herself but also her best friend murdered because she wanted to go meet up with a stranger off the internet. And if she really believed that Anthony Shots account, a rich, model, with $100,000 cars wanted to meet up with her in the woods on this bridge she was far from intelligent. I’m sorry but it’s just the truth. She definitely was not raised very well at all in the aspect of stranger danger and internet safety and related things.
Hands down the worst and craziest comment I’ve ever read on this case. I pray to god u don’t have children that ur raising like this
Thanks for reporting this. You were the first channel that came up about this news. Wow!🤠💕
I tell my kids all the time if someone threatens you with a gun you run and let them shoot because if they get you were they want you it will be a lot worse for you
And run in a zig zag pattern
@@GrizzlyUrsusArctos it might be a good idea to scream like a gutshot panther too .
@@GrizzlyUrsusArctos Exactly!
That's what my Daddy always told me run ZIG ZAG!!!
Yessir!!! I've told my 3 sons girlfriends & wife the same thing...you better fight & scream loud like hell & if their gonna hurt u, force em do it where your at ...never go to a 2nd location cuz best believe what u would experience is gonna be far worse & don't give em an opportunity to hide your body so it's never found...if possible. My friends would say Oh girl your scaring the hell outta these kids..their going to college , their supposed to be care free & have fun...& I'd say where the hell have yal been & do you not see & hear what the hell is going on in this world?? It's not my goal to scare them but it's damn sure my job to make sure they have vital info that can save them so that they are at the least aware & understand that they have options as long as they don't go into fear mode & get passive for these sick bastards out here. I'd much rather them be "paranoid" & watching their surroundings & be alive than being a victim & attending their funerals. People gotta stop being scared to talk to their children so they don't go out into this world living in lala land thinkin it can't happen to them...I'm just as hard on my boys...I've had all 3 take classes on how to legally defend themselves in car jackings & robberies & their all legal licensed & trained gun owners. It's sad they needa be...but its just the reality we're living in.
I am astounded by the amount of people I see calling the police incompetent. Saying, Allen said he was there, he even described the clothes he was wearing. Pointing out they had video from the girl's cell phone and it STILL took the police 5 years to figure out "who done it". They go on to say, he should have been arrested years ago.
As someone who worked 911 dispatch, I was considered a part of law enforcement. So it's obvious to me now that many people have NO idea that often after a crime has been committed the police know exactly who the guilty party is but unless THEY KNOW they can show enough proof to a jury they will not arrest him. If they dont have enough evidence to ensure a conviction it is often better to wait and see if they can gather more over time. From the newly released "PC", I can tell you a guilty verdict will not come easily if this is all they have. For years folks said the cell phone video looked just like Ron Logan, even showing many side by side comparisons with Ron wearing the exact same clothes the next day when he did a television interview. Ron owns the land where the girls were found. He has since died. I'm not the brightest bulb but I can see this could be a slam dunk defense case. So many armchair detectives out there who are working this case from their beds, one hand resting on their balls, while the other thumbs through "Reddit" gathering up clues. Don't tell me otherwise because I'm on the force with you. Police officers deal with the lowest of lot when it comes to humanity and do it working 12 hour ,7-7 shifts. Missing Christmas mornings/Thanksgiving dinners/school plays etc. so they can go muck around in the crap none of us would dare want to deal with. My town is a college town of 100k people. Until I worked 911 I had no idea how many suicides we had every month because they don't get put in the news. I was on the phone more than a handful of times and had to listen to the sound of a gun being shoved down a throat and then the blasting off of a round. I was only LISTENING on the phone....the officers (you love to put down) have to go walk through all that. Car accidents here in Georgia, those are a real added "perk" of the job. People ejected through or embedded in a windshield along with their unrestrained toddler that ends up crumpled in the back seat with labored breathing, arms and legs in positions they were never designed to go in. Then there is the toddler that WAS strapped into a car seat but may have faired better if they had just been ejected from the car, instead of being in a seat that the seatbelts were improperly affixed to causing the seat to be partially ejected through a back window left tethered while the car rolled over them a few times. Women and children who had been abused were the worst. After I left seeking a job with sane hours ...I still had one last court case. That call started with a kid, 8 or 9 years old, hiding in a closet, naked, on a school night, calling 911 because his Moms boyfriend had gotten mad. Because this man didn't want to beat his own baby he took the infant from Moms arms and then according to the little guy that called me, tossed the baby "into the other room" then got busy beating his Mother with a kitchen chair until the chair broke on her but his rage wasn't finished. When call came through to me he was in middle of using just the leg of the chair to continue and beat her with it until she "wasn't moving" . Of course the boy was begging me to hurry because "I don't want my Momma to die" "I think she might be dead" I have to reassure him "hang tight honey they are on the way" encouraging him to be very quiet and not talk so much because I didnt want him to be heard making call. Poor little guy was praying to God outloud and I took over his prayers for him to keep him quiet and calm. I told him the police were almost there....his next sentence was " I don't have any pants on I'm embarrassed". He told the police when they got there that the boyfriend told him earlier in the evening if he "disrespected" him he was going to take a funnel and force a gallon of bleach down his throat. I have stories like this, lots of stories....I could go on all day. This was just a Wednesday night.
So please all you armchair detectives. I know you think you would have had this case wrapped up in 48 hours but I know how much real work goes into policing.The saddest aspects and situations that human nature can provide, the paperwork, the hours, the courtroom, the mandatory trainings and practice sessions at the gun range, *The wife complaining that you are never home while worrying that something might happen to make it so you never can come home.
Oh and then to read all of the "internet officers" out there signing in for duty from the bathroom command center. Surrounded by empty toilet paper cardboards that have been piling up for weeks. "Officer Smartypants McReddit" going to spend the day commenting on the horrible job the police did. According to him they really "dropped the ball" .
This comment not related to this at all...My guy please look into your own mental health....not a putdown but you're obviously suffering from PTSD...im sure you're aware and thank you for your service
Thank you for ur service , ur roll was jus as important as any in law enforcement ,
Libby is a hero for that recording!!
I worked for 30 years in mainly civil litigation, and some preliminary criminal cases. I'm not taking up for the police, and I know there are a lot of questions why didn't they act sooner. The reason is, they only get one bite from this apple, and before they can file for an arrest warrant, the bar is extremely high that they have the legal right to get a warrant to test the gun, which leads to an arrest warrant. From here on out, every single step they take will be either approved or dismissed by the prosecutor so that the defendant can't come back after trial, or before, and file an appeal saying there was a mistake against the law which throws the gun out, and without the gun and its link to Allen, the case can't go forward. I know it's difficult, but be patient. Allow the law to guide this case from arrest, to a trial, and conviction. Sincere sympathy to the families and friends of these two young girls. Justice is coming. My own personal opinion is that he will negotiate life with no.parole as opposed to conviction and the death penalty. If there is someone else involved. He will have to give up that name and testify in open court.
Well said. I’m trying to think like that. Also to me the officer that took his statement is really where the buck stops. Just saying they have to assume people taking tips would make sure one like that was followed up on. How that LE officer saw that picture and description for 5 years and not think of that interview I’m just not sure.
@chronicreader that is a fair statement. I live in Virginia, so I don't know anyone involved on either side, and this is absolute speculation on my part. I keep being drawn back to two things, which as a parent living there, I'd never let my kids out of the door alone. Again, I want to emphasize, this is pure conjecture on my part. It wasn't making sense to me, either. Not the length of time. As much as why did the FBI agent release info back in February. So this was right after his arrest, I looked for missing children, and in the state of Indiana, for 2022 ... this year .... there are 25 missing children ... TWENTY FIVE!!! I've been involved with cases that have a dark, dark element, and so I looked at who.is in the area. In the town of approximately 3,000 people, there is a church of Satan. And they aren't hiding in the shadows. They claim rights as freedom of religion, and there was a big upheaval because they had a street renamed church of Satan, or something like that. The public were not happy, but the sheriff put out a statement that they were within their constitutional rights. And he was not taking it down unless they broke the law. Statistically speaking, there is a good chance that people in the public view are members of that church. It is a worldwide. Global institution, like catholicism. There's a picture of Allen sitting on a bench in the children's play area of that park. While not claiming he's a Satanist, I think the evidence will prove he's a pedophile. And I'm going deep down this rabbit hole, I think he reached out to Libbie on some chat room, that a meeting was scheduled within the confines of the time to be there. She's expecting a hot teenager, and instead who turns up? Allen. I think she knew at that point game over. And I'm going even deeper, I think this was a planned ritual killing. The only thing regarding their bodies at the crime scene was that there was a lot of blood. I think they were both stabbed in the shape of a pentagram, or to the four directions. I don't remember whether they released any info about sexual assault. So, how does that lead us to Allen's arrest? Enter Klein. Klein was initially charged with just about every law regarding pedophilia, then suddenly, charges were dropped, others changed to misdemeanors, then the warrant served on Allen at his home. Where they were looking for specific items, I don't know if that was when the gun was recovered and sent away for forensic testing. When the lab came back positive, an arrest warrant was issued, and the SOB who is accused of the deaths of these two young girls, is a dumbass who thought he could hire a lawyer for 500 bucks, learned the real truth is closer to 25 k just to talk to a lawyer. That's when he writes to the judge whimpering that I throw myself on the mercy of the court to appoint an attorney, which wasn't necessary, just say I can't afford one, please appoint an attorney. How much mercy did he give those poor girls before brandishing a gun and ordering them down the hill. I also think whomever Allen was involved with has literally left him to his own devices, and he'd better remain silent.
So, after all of that, the fact it took so long to name a suspect is moot. It can't be changed. Doesn't mean that it won't be an issue for the future, but right now, the trial is tentatively set for trial this spring. Unless they get a plea bargain, I don't think that date will stand. Also, the defense will request a change of venue, because I'm not sure he can get an independent jury in that jurisdiction. If the trial is moved, it could be months before a new date is set. If I were his lawyer. I'd negotiate a plea deal. Sorry this got so long. You made a very valid point, and one I think may be investigated further. I can't get past the FBI agent releasing the documents. He knows something. And, why is the FBI involved in a local case at all? Anything involving the internet is a federal case, and they usually work with local LE. Oh, sorry, I forgot this... the date is significant. They were found on Valentines day, two hearts. Creepy. On a nonmetallic opinion, I personally hope he rots in hell. Best, Patricia
Well said @3rscraftingjtb779, unfortunately far too many people are so narrow minded they will be incapable of contemplating what you just said. Regardless, I am enjoying the fact that today is a good day as we've learned LE have solid evidence.
Dude, shut the fuck up. There was a bullet that matched Richard Allen’s gun that he says no one else has ever handled. He admits to being at the scene of the crime wearing the exact same clothes , matches the description of the video, and lives within 3 miles of the crime scene. Now stop licking the idiot cops boots and start to wonder who in the upper echelons on the police department are complicit and are in fact a part of the pedo ring themselves? It doesn’t take 5 fucking years to match ballistics on a gun from a guy that matches the description who places himself at the scene of the crime on the exact day and time. Fuck these key stone idiot cops. They are ALL corrupt. Don’t tell me carter hasn’t known for years and there won’t be a thing anyone can say to convince me otherwise. Dirty ass cops who allowed the horrific murder of two little girls and you want to play arm chair prosecutor. Why don’t you stick your body in the same hole that your head is in.
@@3rscrafting I have no clue as to where you are getting your conspiracy theories, but ZERO charges regarding pedophilia and Klein have been dropped. And could you please stop putting this crap out there in the world as if your thoughts are to be heard by anyone but yourself. Nothing has been released about the crime scene other than the scene was staged. Everything else is just crazy ass fantasy on your part and I suggest you either get a therapist or join the church of satan, you seem to be very enamored but them and where their locations are. Shame on you. I’m embarrassed for you. Just can’t be some nasty ass men raping and killing little girls? And there wasn’t one, there are two victims. So one parent didn’t say, yeah, go out alone at the age of 13 you daft victim shamer. You can’t delete the words you say, but certainly you can delete some long diatribe that only makes sense to those that haven’t been involved in prosecutions and investigations like myself. Wonder how many other little girls he raped and murdered while these incompetent, COMPLICIT cops “investigated”. Richard Allen admitted to being at the crime scene on the day of the crime. A bullet that matches his gun was found in between the two girls and he told the cops that no one but him has handled that weapon. What the fuck else? Hmmmm? Maybe go watch some crime shows on you tube to see how this type of evidence convicts people everyday. Not 6 years after they murder their victims.
Someone who has been through the system (Mrs Randall 🙌🏻) once said the FBI have an insane high conviction rate (like 98 or 99% if memory serves) because they don't prosecute until they are certain they have more than enough for conviction. As soon as I heard they were on this and they charged him I knew it must be him.
Awww, your confidence in their neutrality is cute.
How did it take 6 years to come up with this?
Wow my heart is so sad prayers for these families
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Why did it take so long to arrest him?!?
in a small town with 3000 people why didn`t they check all male from 16-70 and cheked ther guns so bad policing
What do you mean check their guns?
@@dikhurtz2406 if they have a bullet they could check witch gun matched that bullet
I really hope they have more than that!
Oh they do, trust me. Especially since they searched his home and a source claimed they found incriminating evidence, but even if they don't, that alone is enough to make a convincing case to me.
Show proof
8:08
I believe that would be included the redacted information. Just a wild guess.
What more do you need besides catching him in the act
RA wife would have recognized him on the bridge clipping.
I don't see why they didn't release this sooner
Great coverage of these horrid details linking this creep to this horrendous crime!
As for the change of venue request, the country has been following this case and will continue until there is justice for Libby an Abby! ♥️🙏🏻
That PC document shows, without a doubt that Richard Allen was BG, and Allen himself said he saw 3 females on the bridge, and 3 females questioned also identified him wearing the same BG clothes and he was muddied and bloodied.
But they all say different things. Dark jacket, light jacket, black jacket...grey hair with maybe brown...he had a hat on so was that the beard? How did they see the beard when they said they couldn't see his face and his mouth was covered..?? No taller than 5' 10". He is very short. I'm sorry but this is not enough imo. Maybe they can really hammer the bullet home but the witnesses .... they wouldn't convince me on the jury!
@chronicreader I hope not..I'm hoping we only got a small amount and there's more
Rest in powerful peace 🙏
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Other than witness names needing to be redacted, there was no reason to seal the PCA.
Agree.
Except that they horribly fumbles this case by letting him slip through their fingers 6 years ago and letting an alleged child killer who literally basically turned himself in in the very beginning roam free to possibly kill more children for 6 years. They just wanted to cover their asses is all. Now I don’t trust this entire case at all.
I mean do people around him remember him with that jacket? The biggest thing about all this is that people from that town never said it sounds like him or if they have seen him wearing those clothing items.
There's a video of him in a vehicle with it on
Someone did a study on the jacket, sold by Walmart and how many 100s sold in the 2 nearest stores in large sizes. The number was huge.
Yeah it seems like his wife or coworkers would have recognized him for sure. I wondered the same thing.
@@Ambassador4Christ625 Why haven't we heard from his wife, co-workers, friends and family of this guy yet?
I think this is fair question but even more so when it comes to his wife. Do you honestly think she saw that image of the guy on the bridge and didn’t recognize the clothes automatically. I’m sorry my wife knows every single piece of clothing I own and could pick me out in s crowd of 100. She knew he was there that day. I mean are we seriously supposed to believe she didn’t know the picture was of him. I bet we might find out he told her that is why he came him to police BUT then they would have said the picture was cleared. It wasn’t so she couldn’t believe that. I’m confused.
The police could have ran a check for any one with a 40 cal sig and his name would have came up he's a CCW holder 🙄
What does “sig” stand for?
Like the defense attorney said, i sure hope this ain’t all they got
Extraction marks on a bullet are when it's loaded into a gun it leaves imprints on the front end of the bullet that are unique to each gun even without being fired. For whatever reason perhaps flustered and rushed even after not shooting he left behind a unused bullet that at some point was loaded in his gun which in return Forensically linked his weapon to the crimes.
You can't tie a bullet to a gun when the bullet has been fired. There aren't going to be uniquely identifiable markings on any bullet that's been ejected from the chamber, or maybe even simply dropped before being loaded. Most hand guns use common caliber bullets. So no, you can't "forensically link" this bullet to his specific gun. The prosecutors can argue it's certainly odd a bullet found next to the victim matches the caliber of the suspects weapon, but that doesn't absolutely establish a relationship between the gun, the bullet, and the suspect.
Circumstantial evidence can be significant, but that's all this is.
He might have racked his slide to scare those girls.
@@AndyCutright That's what it sounds like to me. And if it wasn't fired from the gun, anyone with any knowledge of his gun could have placed it there. And they could have buried evidence on his property when they were out of town.
@@COlson-rh3dg Yeah racking with a round already in the chamber yep, could leave an unspent bullet.
Not correct sir. Rifling is firearm specific, not feed ram/ejector.
Just horrible…how can anyone live with themselves after doing so much harm….they are just innocent babies…..😢
Innocent teenagers
There are very disturbed and evil people in the world.
Wow! My heart breaks all over again. How could he do this
This may have already been asked and answered, but...
How does the second sketch of the "younger looking guy" play in now?
Florida here. Been keeping up with this from the beginning.
Wow its stunning how little people know about firearms these days. That ejected unspent round has the fingerprints of his firearm. Under a microscope it has marks on it that only the gun that ejected it will make. This is as good as his fingerprints. And shells are made out of brass which in the elements corrodes very fast. Forensics can tell if its been on the ground overnight or a week or longer. Considering he puts himself on that bridge himself and he has bg’s fat cheeks and none of the other persons of interest have the fat cheeks but him. I think they got the right guy.
Well gosh darn many people on the WWW don't come from countries obsessed with hand guns.
In the US, guns are part of the survival-of-the-fittest evolutionary equation. Get killed or go to prison, and procreation is over. Now, if we could just learn to get along and respect life.
I have no idea about firearms not one thing. Why would I? I'm not a hunter, soldier. Military...
Too bad
Too bad.
Thank you WTHR for publishing this report. Many people are relieved that the truth and facts are finally out. God Bless all who helped catch this guy. With these facts I feel they have silenced this monster for good.
I went to their graves last summer. I was surprised that they weren't at the same Cemetery, but I know they're together in heaven💖💖
One is cremated
Thats weird
I wonder how dumb allen felt after telling investigators what he was wearing and than seeing the video of him released you know he was stressing for time
His gun - they would have found it when they executed the search warrant on his house?
It doesn’t make sense , well non of it makes sense but why he’d use a gun with more the possibility of people hearing and seeing ?
Monsters are real. Protect your children. Protect yourself. Stay safe and blessed.
He used his gun to control them, not kill them. They are probably killed with a knife which were found in his possession. Their clothes found in a creek, probably made them undress. He was nervous and sloppy, angry maybe, that's why he left evidence unintentionally. He was looking for victims in a broad daylight. He just couldn't help himself. He is quite possibly impotent that's why he was so angry, he couldn't sa them or he didn't have time, I guess. I hope they have more to have him convicted and lock him up forever.
I think the computer guy and him were together in this. Computer guy probably knee about them going for a walk
Yup, I think he expelled the bullet to prove it was loaded
He tried to use his gun at some point. It jammed, he ejected the unspent bullet with jamming/ejection marks on it, it fell to the ground, and he neglected to retrieve it. Long story short ? He sunk his own ship.
Could you tell me where you found out their clothes were found in the water
Making it up as you go along here...if they had the knife,they have a case,but they don't...he'll walk, a bullet (a fit up) isn't enough! Too much inbetween doesn't fit,getting two teenagers from the sth side of the bridge to the crime scene on the nth side, without crossing that river...no one crossed that, just look at the TV footage from the helicopter the following day, and that's after the water went down,according to river data?
The gun is easy to see. Look at the vid of bg. Look at his right jacket pocket and you can see the end of the barrel thru the jacket
Finally! Justice is “Down the hill”
15:30 is 3:30 not 2:30. Dude doesn't know military time very well.
It took them 5 years to match an unspent round, found between the bodies, to a guy that admitted to police he was there the day of the murders?
When I first heard about this case, I thought they had no clues at all, come to find out, they have tons of evidence.... 🤦♂️ wtf?!
It is unbelievable that the defence didn't think this was much to talk about. Not much maybe but I don't think they can deny that the evidence are strong.
If the girls weren’t shot it gives the defense something to attack. Remember they just need one juror to have doubts to avoid a conviction
A physchic said his name 5 years ago. The physchic Sleuth on yt
I swear to God if I had a kid they would not own a cell phone. To think these girls were talking to a pedophile ring via a shared Snapchat account and they so easily got killed because of it is so fucking crazy
If you just cycle a round, it leaves no trace. The strike on the primer leaves a mark on the case, and the rifling of the core going through the barrel at a rate of speed marks the round..... something is missing here. Just a chamber and clear does nothing a half decent layer couldn't dispute easy.
You’re wrong guys, 15h30 in 24 hour clock is 3:30 PM, NOT 2:30PM. And I knew a gun had to be involved, it’s the best way to get 2 people to submit without a fight.
I remember posting an opinion on reddit about how future suspect's attorneys would most likely request change of venue. They told me I was off and asked what the heck was wrong with me?? Goes to show, ppl are just stupid.
Omg 😂 how can he be so stupid to eject a round and not pick it up. They got his ass. That ejected round is like a fingerprint to that weapon. Well this shows how dumb ricky is. So when they searched allen s house and took possession of his firearm he knew he was done
I bet he looked for that ejected round, couldn't find it underneath all the leaf litter and thought "FAAAAAAARK" as half of him was desperate to stay and locate it and the other half was in panic knowing he had to run before he was discovered. I like to picture him perspiring the FEAR from his pores because he knew he f#cked up and there was no way he could pray to God for help after the evil act he'd just committed. It SUCKS to be RICKY ALLEN.
Don’t the police have more video from the girl’s cellphone?
This is all I need to know now he is guilty. The public wanted to make sure he wasn’t innocent! Thank you to the judge for releasing this. They will get the change of venue too.
God bless the families and all involved. Justice for Libby and Abby
In America he’s innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Don’t forget how important due process is.
Amen 🙏
he said he was watching something on his phone? Could he have been filming for his 'buddies'?
So they have him on wardrobe, vehicle identification, possible voice. Police have him on the trail, 2017 interview. Witnesses have matching (from the video) suspect near the bridge. Unspent round, ballistics match his firearm. Timeline. This is pretty good PC, enough for a jury to look at. Totally unclear why the prosecutor wanted this sealed, maybe the redacted part explains that.
Not only is all of that enough PC but like you said, there also the redacted information which has to hold a lot of weight or else it wouldn't matter.
A firearm wasnt even used, it was a knofe dumbass
Knife
Maybe the witnesses are reducted because they are under age or work under age at the time and do not want public harassment it's for their protection
@@kevinr.3542 Would they wait that long on the main charge to tie Kathy (wife) in as an accessory? They had all of this in 2017, save maybe the ballistic evidence from the state crime lab. I can't imagine they would have taken a long time on marks from cycling a round, but I don't know that either. Maybe that is new science or something? It doesn't seem that hard from here, again I would not know.
BUT WHY DID IT TAKE ALMOST 6 YEARS!!
Sadly it took years to arrest him but they needed to make absolutely positively sure it was him, witch explained them being so vague about everything for so long. One mistake on there part and he may have gotten away with this.
Did they use cell phone location to track his movements that day? There has to be something solid that connects him to the scene of the crime.
They probably did
He was at the scene by his own admission.
Exactly!! the trial is going to be super quick if this is all they have after 6 years. no wonders his lawyers are confident!! there is no way of putting that bullet at that scene at a certain time. it could have been a week before or a month before. The police cannot prove when that bullet was left there.
That bullet connects him
@@itsjuliam to the area - he already said he goes to that area. a court will not convict him on that one thing alone - what else do the police have, any phone data, pc searches, what was in his garden? what did they find in his house. I am so disappointed - I really thought that they had this guy but his lawyer can refute this easily
Let’s see where it goes from here hopefully these justice for the girls and there families. 🙏
The military time mentioned is 13:30 and 15:30, that is between 1:30 and 3:30.
Wow, with all those statements, it truly baffles my mind that they didnt arrest this guy within a few months of the murder. I just cant believe they had all those statements & video and even his own descritprion of himself and they went 6 yrs...
Ladies & Gentlemen... We got him!
He didn't do it.
Yeah so let's release all this information for news purposes instead of letting them do their job and make a good strong case. This is frustrating. Hopefully there is justice for these girls.
This is so heartbreaking 💕 poor babies. RIP beautiful girl's
Did anyone else get frustrated in the first few minutes - waiting to hear what it says, while they chatted back and forth about what we know??? I was shouting at the screen GET ON WITH IT!!! I am too impatient, So they have a bullet - matching his gun?? when was it there? if it is unspent - how can it have unique markings??
Because he racked man come on bro get with it.
15:30 is 3:30pm, NOT 2:30. 🙄
You have an unspent round on the ground because he racked the slide. The only reason you would do this is because you do not realize there is already a round in the chamber OR you are doing that to intimidate someone (akin to racking a shotgun). I assume he did that to try to regain control of a situation that was falling apart and he needed to freeze one of the girls while he was stabbing the other?
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Who said that they were stabbed?
@@lindastacy8840 they were
How did you find out they were stabbed I’m interested
@@lindastacy8840 No one heard gun shots? I don't think they told us how the girls were murdered. Now we know about the bullet found between the 2 bodies so a gun was involved.
He did it.
uh idk why my ammo is between the girls bodies ... i have no idea who coulda took my gun and went shooting at monon high bridge the day i was there ... he gonna get bucked up in that system that ol boy gonna get booty bandit business
Affidavit, with a T, not a D on the end
What was motive for murders? We’re they assaulted?
The murderer is a pedoFILE
Idk but more than likely they were sexually assaulted.😢
Unbelievable incompetence.
Not linking the guy who told authorities he was there ... 5 years!
I'm curious to hear his voice. I don't believe there was a 2nd accomplice, unless it was the property owner. It seems unlikely that 2 people lived around town for 5 years with this public secret and they've never been identified? What about his wife? Coworkers? The image of bridge guy was all over the news. It was only one person that did this to the girls. I truly believed that it was the property owner the entire time, but finding an identifiable bullet.....definitely seems to point to Richard Allen.
I have to wonder, how did no one that saw him that day recognize him from CVS or from living in the small town?
Maybe he's innocent?
I feel that a capable defense team could create more than enough doubt by discrediting the science used to identify that bullet. I would hope that they have more than that, if not, I can definitely see why they waited so long to arrest Richard Allen. With his clean background and their weak evidence it's a big gamble for such a notorious case.
Is one thing to know he's guilty, but a much harder thing to prove it in court.
Rest in peace sweet angels, fly high with the glory of God.
May we finally find justice for you both.
Wait… did I miss something? It took 5 years to figure that out?
Can’t see many people walking that trail in February and someone who admitted being there really narrows it down.
As an attorney....the prosecution..imo.. are merely trying to protect the integrity of this case to ensure conviction in court . Cautious yet confident.
130 and 330
That's the first step, in a common sense direction... Dumb prosecutor, luckily this judge saved his case... now fire that prosecutor and bring in a better one.
Gosh, I hope they don't prejudice this case and let him off!
If i had to guess he probably racked the slide for intimidation and forgot he already had one in the chamber. Thats the only way i know a bullet would cycle without being fired. Or it jammed and he cleared it.
4:16 I did two tours in OiF but you don’t have to be in military to know that he got it wrong. 1330-1530 is
1:30pm to 3:30pm
I'm from Australia and I've been following this case. My heart goes out to there families. Those poor innocent girls they had there whole life ahead of them. That bastard took it away. I hope he gets tortured in jail
I don't understand how it was a local man in an extremely small town, and nobody recognized him. I grew up in a small town that had ten times the population... and you couldn't get away with 💩 Everybody was so nosey and knew everybody's business. It smells like "To make a murderer" type of situation 🤔