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  • @JordiVanderwaal
    @JordiVanderwaal 3 месяца назад +26

    Rewatching Buffy makes me realise how well-written it was. Even the recurring characters, and even some characters that only appeared once or twice, had depth to them. I mean, most of the actors nail it, but it shows they were given actual personalities in the writing as well.

    • @emmaebaldwin
      @emmaebaldwin 2 месяца назад +1

      @@hyicrotai9801all the seasons. Four is my personal least favorite, but I relate the most to six. It deals with really deep things that may be hard to understand for some. Loved the idea of seven.

    • @user-hc4bg6vj3q
      @user-hc4bg6vj3q 2 месяца назад

      @@hyicrotai9801 All the seasons

  • @TheMacerica
    @TheMacerica 3 месяца назад +32

    “You don’t have a good choice but you have a choice.” SMG’s delivery of that always gets me. She was so underrated as an actress.

    • @sirmoonslosthismind
      @sirmoonslosthismind 3 месяца назад +4

      and it's basically a summation of the entire buffyverse

  • @dlweiss
    @dlweiss 3 месяца назад +22

    I always say that "Lie To Me" is one of the most important episodes in the whole series, because it's the first episode that fully embraces moral ambiguity and impossible choices. And beyond that, it's the first that REALLY delves into the central symbolism of the show: being a Slayer as a metaphor for navigating adolescence. The journey of growing up, and figuring out how to live in the world - all while facing off against strange and scary challenges.

  • @spamfilter32
    @spamfilter32 3 месяца назад +25

    "Only in the literal sense."
    "Your not wrong."
    "Your not wrong."
    Xander did get great lines this episode.

  • @spamfilter32
    @spamfilter32 3 месяца назад +27

    The way Jenny took that step back when Giles reached out to touch her, that was perfectly done. great acting by Robia LaMorte (also, how perfect is that last name for this show. Talk about nominative determinism!)

  • @spamfilter32
    @spamfilter32 3 месяца назад +27

    "Take Spike and go."
    Because the decision to stay or go is Dru's not Spikes. If you pay attention you will notice that Dru is in charge of their relationship, not Spike. Like at past scenes, and you will notice that Spike looks back to Dru before issuing orders to others.

  • @killianlpc
    @killianlpc 3 месяца назад +22

    Lie To Me is an important episode in that Angel comes clean to Buffy about his past. Buffy realising that as Angelus he tormented Drusilla and turned her. We saw in School Hard Spike having his history with Angel/Angelus too. The writers do a great job gradually showing how Angel, Spike, Drusilla ( and others can't say cos of spoilers ) have this shared history a theme throughout the show. Ford is of course dying of cancer, and as with many people in this situation would do anything to be rid of the disease. Buffy tells him, he has a choice, not a good one, but a choice to do the right thing. You can now seeing how this show is really showing how deep and meaningful it is, you can see the layers of the plotlines being put down for the future episodes.

    • @KitsuneRokaku
      @KitsuneRokaku 3 месяца назад +7

      The theme of choice is seen all over the Buffyverse. The line they didn't show in the reaction was Buffy saying "You didn't have a good choice but you have a choice"

  • @brianmiller3529
    @brianmiller3529 3 месяца назад +8

    Lie to Me is one of the most important episodes thematically in the buffyverse. "You have a choice. You don't have a good choice, but you have a choice!"

  • @feudist
    @feudist 3 месяца назад +12

    "Do you love me?"
    "YES!...oh, sorry, it was her question."

  • @valeriem.8112
    @valeriem.8112 3 месяца назад +11

    I think its pretty important what Buffy explains to Ford in « Lie to me » : she says that when you become a vampire you die and your soul leaves your body ( your soul = you: the Human in you). Then a demon takes your body - and it walks/talks and has all your memories but it’s not YOU- you’re just Gone. All that’s left is the evil. And that’s what Angelus was . But when the gypsies restored his soul, the MAN was back in his old body and could remember everything the demon did and feel guilty about it -- but in reality none of it was his fault because he was not there when it happened ( him meaning his soul)…

  • @Teeklin
    @Teeklin 3 месяца назад +12

    That tattoo was the first one I got when I turned 18 actually. Brought in a DVD and played Giles rolling up his sleeve for the artist to draw it on me :P

  • @RawrxBexJealous
    @RawrxBexJealous 3 месяца назад +21

    Love Angel & Willow teaming up! My fav unlikely friendship. Not Angel showing up in the same outfit 😂 Poor Dru, tragic backstory. Ripper Giles 👀 Possessed Jenny served. Poor Giles. Great reactions y’all 🖤

  • @ashleym780
    @ashleym780 3 месяца назад +6

    The Great SMG said in an interview before that Buffy season 1 aired while filming IKWYDLS. She had no clue how it was doing other than phone calls with her team bc she was filming in NC and the town she was in didn’t get the WB. It wasn’t until filming Scream 2 and going to the mall (or something like that) in Atlanta and hearing people whisper “that’s Buffy!” That she knew it was a hit

  • @LadyRav3nGaming
    @LadyRav3nGaming 3 месяца назад +5

    Ooh! Two really great episodes. In the first one, Ford is played by Jason Behr. I had such a huge crush on him back in the day. After this guest appearance he went on to guest star in a couple of episodes of Dawn’s Creek before finally getting the lead role as Max in Roswell. I was OBSESSED with that show because of him 😂 the. Several years later he and Sarah team up again to play in The Grudge. Damn I was so smitten back then. Watching you guys watch this is bringing back so many memories. And I really need to find time binge both Buffy and Roswell now 😊😊

  • @spamfilter32
    @spamfilter32 3 месяца назад +9

    "You do have a choice. Not a good one, but you do have a choice."
    The parallel between Buffy in Prophecy Girl and Ford in Lie to Me. We see the contrast between Buffy who had a choice, save herself, and let all her friends die, or die to save all her friends. And Ford who also had a choice, to let himself die, or let everyone else die to save himself. He chose to let everyone he know die to save himself, while Buffy chose to die to save everyone else. That is why Buffy is a hero. She knows her fate, and she has accepted it because she accepts that others do not deserve to die. While Ford is a villain because he chose to sacrifice others to save his own life.

  • @MsKimifer
    @MsKimifer 3 месяца назад +10

    Speaking of hated surprises, y'all want to know what my man did to me?!? This Christmas he invited me to his office Christmas party! So I showed up in my light up Christmas sweater that is super party-centric. EXCEPT HE DIDN'T TELL ME IT WAS BLACK TIE.

    • @MsKimifer
      @MsKimifer 3 месяца назад +2

      Y'all I forgot I wrote this comment and when I tell you... It is the most embarrassing night of my fucking life. 😅 Beautiful women all around me in ball gowns and me in my Kroger sweater, sweating my ass off. ... Jesus H Christ.

    • @ernesthakey3396
      @ernesthakey3396 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@MsKimifer dayum...but I bet some of the dressed up ladies wished they could be wearing casual party clothes. I hope you gave him a piece of your mind afterwards! Made him pay for days...

    • @morganwilliams5541
      @morganwilliams5541 3 месяца назад

      That actually sounds kinda funny.

  • @hander929
    @hander929 3 месяца назад +2

    Angel out here being the Tuxedo Mask to Buffy's Sailor Moon

  • @CaptNondescript
    @CaptNondescript 3 месяца назад +4

    First of all yessss I do have the Mark of Eyghon tattoo on my left bicep where Giles has his!!
    Love the Blade soundtrack as well and I laughed so hard at the Listerine comment. Welcome to the Ethan/Giles ship - friends to lovers to enemies anyone? He's a total soft dom you're right

  • @spamfilter32
    @spamfilter32 3 месяца назад +6

    You have great taste in music. That Blade soundtrack was killer!

  • @KitsuneRokaku
    @KitsuneRokaku 3 месяца назад +12

    My Random Buffy Fact (sorta planning to make this a thing for your reactions to Buffy): The picture of young Punk Giles is just a picture of Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols with a young Anthony Head cropped over Sid's

  • @hannahawesome85
    @hannahawesome85 3 месяца назад +9

    YAY!! You guys are my favorite reactors. 💜 Drusilla is very interesting and scary. Juliet Landau who plays her is an awesome person IRL.

    • @gungho1284
      @gungho1284 3 месяца назад +2

      And Juliet also came up with a lot of her own ideas in how to portray the character, which got her the job because they called her back as she was on her way out after the meeting.

  • @Letssee92
    @Letssee92 2 месяца назад

    I love how he goes 0-100 real quick “What! Is he a slayer too!!!” lol

  • @Doverkin
    @Doverkin 3 месяца назад +3

    Love Juliet Landau, (Drusilla) she is such a great actress and also luvly in interviews. i could see her playing morticia Adams also
    40:26 i did go to the ink parlour to have a tattoo similar but not exact so it was my own to another up coming one in the show, i still luv it to this day so it was worth it

  • @spamfilter32
    @spamfilter32 3 месяца назад +4

    "My book! *IT* stole my book!" 'it' being the operative word.

  • @Buffy8Fan
    @Buffy8Fan 3 месяца назад +3

    2x07 An episode that feels like a standard monster-of-the-week episode, but is so much more.
    2x08 Giles' backstory.

  • @Apex_Gamer_87
    @Apex_Gamer_87 3 месяца назад

    I'm finally caught up with your Buffy Reactions and love how you're enjoying the show so far, this show was my teen years and I've watched all 7 Seasons so many times and never gets boring. Buffy The Vampire Slayer covers so much and look forward to seeing your reactions.

  • @GemnEyes
    @GemnEyes 3 месяца назад +2

    That's Juliet Landau who plays Drucilla, she is amazing.

  • @migmit
    @migmit 3 месяца назад +1

    In one of Richard Osman books, somewhere in the "Thursday Murder Club" series, one character says that the best way a couple can explore an unfamiliar city is when one is exploring at random, trusting their luck, and the other has the whole expedition meticulously planned and subtly steers the first one without telling them.

  • @ceciliaasteri
    @ceciliaasteri 3 месяца назад +2

    I always forget it’s friday and I’m always just as excited when I see u posted Buffy🥹

  • @Snepajj
    @Snepajj 3 месяца назад +2

    I'm loving re-watching Buffy and Charmed with you guys. I'm honestly super impatient (in a good way) for every new video cause you guys are so fun to 'watch' with

  • @williambowman1660
    @williambowman1660 3 месяца назад +2

    Two excellent reviews and more great reactions. You have noticed the improvement in the fight scenes, that’s because the show is getting more budget and backing The poverty level budgets are giving way and the money will be put in screen. Your exactly correct in the way the show is having more teamwork and exploration of the characters. Bittersweet is a good word to use but it is also due to the fact that BTVS is evolving from Monster of the week to stories about decisions, choices, moral values, and the impact on the person and those around them. We all have choices. Unlike other shows , doing whatever is right does not get you what you want or redemption. The boy wanted immortality. Spike honored his deal and made him a vampire. The boy got what he wanted, it’s just the payoff is not always worth the price. Having Buffy over the grave to kill Ford immediately after he rises is a classic Buffy moment. She is not a killer but The Slayer and the justice for an evil demon is a lasting death/ removal from this world. Buffy has a choice. She could let her friend Ford rise but her choice is to slay him and protect innocent people. One way to understand the excellent writing of BTVS is to try to answer what the title is about, Lie To Me. Is that a negative, positive, wishful, or regrettable comment? That’s one that is never answered.

  • @emmaebaldwin
    @emmaebaldwin 2 месяца назад

    Fun fact: Jenny was a back up dancer for Prince. She was Pearl of Diamond and Pearl.
    Quick questions!
    Have either of you seen “Repo! The Genetic Opera”? It’s FANTASTIC. Gory opera. Anthony Stewart Head (Giles) is in it! Repo body parts when you can’t pay for it after surgery.
    Also, have you seen “Ed Wood”? Juliet Landau (Drusilla) is in it with Johnny Depp as well as her dad, Martin Landau.

    • @evarene07
      @evarene07 Месяц назад

      Prince’s muses “Diamond and Pearl” because are Lori Elle and Robin Laporte Scott.

  • @xKagryx
    @xKagryx 3 месяца назад +1

    It’s a joy to watch this show with people who “get it”. Can’t wait til the next one!

  • @ETPlayground
    @ETPlayground 3 месяца назад +1

    "This is serious."
    Gurl that bicep was too. You were right to act as you did.

  • @valinny8571
    @valinny8571 3 месяца назад +2

    Loving these back to back reactions!

  • @calandraantonelli8939
    @calandraantonelli8939 3 месяца назад +1

    I loved that guy from Roswell.

  • @Ninnative
    @Ninnative 3 месяца назад +2

    Lie to Me is definitely in my top 10 Buffy episodes. I especially like Giles' monolog at the end 💔

  • @BootsByTheSea
    @BootsByTheSea 3 месяца назад +5

    I've been refreshing my screen for hours!!!

  • @oldbroadwithbaggage5472
    @oldbroadwithbaggage5472 3 месяца назад +1

    You two are so fun to watch. I really enjoy your banter and listening to your guesses. Keep up the great work!

  • @honeybumble1012
    @honeybumble1012 3 месяца назад +2

    I think SMG had filmed IKWYDLS/Scream 2 in between seasons 1 and 2 since she had the time during the show's hiatus plus her haircut!

  • @M0nst3r0711
    @M0nst3r0711 3 месяца назад +1

    Holy cow! Is that Max from Roswell!? At least Ford looks like Max….

  • @METerrell
    @METerrell 3 месяца назад

    Drusilla is played by Juliet Landau, daughter of Martin Landau and Barbara Bain.

  • @orangelanternnunley1720
    @orangelanternnunley1720 3 месяца назад +1

    Cody & Sergio are the Slayers. My Friday nights have gotten so much better now that I get these awesome Buffy reactions. You guys rock! ❤🎃

  • @davidgorman994
    @davidgorman994 3 месяца назад +1

    Yes, two of my favourite episodes. Lie to Me is full of great moments

  • @ChristaBlack-gn8ys
    @ChristaBlack-gn8ys 3 месяца назад +3

    BUFFY FRIDAYS !!!!!💜🖤

  • @Emburbujada
    @Emburbujada 3 месяца назад +1

    You're in the middle of a really good run of episodes. Can't wait for your reaction to the next two!

  • @MsKimifer
    @MsKimifer 3 месяца назад +2

    You know what's better than getting a shirt that says Team Willow? Adopting a pet and naming her Willow. I know y'all have been talking about it. I sense it. 🔮And I've been watching your subscriber count, there's definitely enough new subs to fill one new little pet food bowl. 😸

    • @jgarofalo8813
      @jgarofalo8813 Месяц назад

      SPOILER- a character that hasn’t been introduced yet but I had a cat named Miss Kitty Fantastico

  • @calandraantonelli8939
    @calandraantonelli8939 3 месяца назад +1

    Fun fact: when I lived in England, Giles was in coffee commercials so that was my first experience with him as an actor.

    • @paulinerobertson6836
      @paulinerobertson6836 3 месяца назад +1

      I live in Scotland and this was also my first experience of him as an actor, I was swooning at him even as a child😂

  • @rcbuckets
    @rcbuckets 3 месяца назад +1

    The movie Ford is lip speaking to is Dracula (1974) starring Jack Palance. It's the first Dracula movie I ever saw. I was probably 6. It started my fascination with vampires. After that, I consumed any form of media that had vampires which is how I got into Buffy, the movie (only watch for Paul Reubens), but then Buffy, the series (forever my favorite!)

  • @shehulkgolding2206
    @shehulkgolding2206 3 месяца назад +1

    I didn't remember the guy from Roswell was in Buffy. Y'all should react to that too😮

  • @codypendragons
    @codypendragons 3 месяца назад +3

    so Angel is Drucila's daddy, and Spike's granddaddy!

  • @jasongabriel565
    @jasongabriel565 3 месяца назад

    I love this episode guys lie to me was one of the ones that stood out a lot to me. You guys rock and I’m loving the whole fact that u have chosen Buffy to react to. Now I’m always looking forward to Buffy Fridays. I hope after season 3 u guys start Angel the tv show. Please watch it.

  • @BlueJean452
    @BlueJean452 3 месяца назад

    Fun fact **and tiny unimportant spoiler** Sarah Michelle Gellar was filming I Know What You Did Last Summer during this season. In the last episode of this season there is a flashback where you see Buffy with long hair. Which they took the opportunity to film with SMG wearing same wig that she was wearing in the beginning of IKWYDLS before her hair was cut by the killer. Can’t wait for next weeks reaction. The next 2 episodes are some of the best.

  • @gacchan
    @gacchan 3 месяца назад +1

    I am sooooo excited for next week! I just remembered which eps they are

  • @Miss_Ghoul
    @Miss_Ghoul 3 месяца назад +1

    Poor Giles was going through hell in episode 8. But ooh boy did he look hot af doing so though.

  • @calandraantonelli8939
    @calandraantonelli8939 3 месяца назад

    We said No at the same time 😂😂😂❤❤❤. Ahhh that British accent.

  • @rhia_code
    @rhia_code 3 месяца назад

    If you guys have a moment, you should watch Anthony Head (Giles) sing Sweet Transvestite. He does a great job

  • @dklounge7082
    @dklounge7082 3 месяца назад +2

    At this point, it doesnt look like The VVitch is gonna win the movie poll, but i hope you still react to it this month. In case you do, be sure to have subtitles on because of the period-accurate archaic dialogue and the ending is one of those that's up to interpretation

  • @kimd687
    @kimd687 3 месяца назад +2

    Medieval times 😂

  • @ThiagoDragon
    @ThiagoDragon 3 месяца назад +1

    Lie to me is where I think the show starts to move to a more mature direction. Many points about this episode represents the evolution of the show.
    The drama, the on point comedy, the twists, action, heavy backstories.
    Juliet Landau nailed it every scene. She and James understood their characters right away, like it wasn’t so recent they started to be Spike and Dru.

  • @migmit
    @migmit 3 месяца назад +3

    Hope you had a good look at those vampire wannabes.

  • @rue...whenwasthis
    @rue...whenwasthis 3 месяца назад

    Angel really was giving his best Edward Cullen cosplay in 2x07

  • @xDezxdisasterx
    @xDezxdisasterx 3 месяца назад

    Yall need to react to Repo! The Genetic Opera asap especially for "giles," Anthony Stewart head. And he's THE dr frank n furter... my main older forever crush since I was a kid lol... can't wait for charmed were waiting for our guy❤ iykyk ❤❤❤

  • @alexisisaacson7773
    @alexisisaacson7773 3 месяца назад +1

    I’ve been waiting all week for this!

  • @crystalpistey-lyhne3406
    @crystalpistey-lyhne3406 3 месяца назад

    I❤This Show, Especially These Episodes!Thanks For Your Guys's Vlog Reactions!😢😯🫣🧛‍♀️🥰🖥💗

  • @killianlpc
    @killianlpc 3 месяца назад +2

    I think this was of the pretty average episodes of S2, but it is interesting that we gradually getting to see that Giles is much more than he seems. Jenny of course is gradually being brought in more in S2 to enhance the storylines. The Xander/Cordelia constant bickering at this point is driving Willow mad, and she unloads in the library. We have the interminable, yes interminable Ethan Rayne back again, one of the nastiest characters in the show, a thorn in The Scoobies side throughout. Funny scene when Xander is asked 'did you find anything' and he produces a pic from the 70s of Giles playing bass in a rock band. Better to come in S2, but not a bad episode overall. We can see how much you guys are really enjoying the show now, it just engrosses all that come across it, mainly due to such brilliant characters everyone can empathise with.

  • @iannmichael
    @iannmichael 3 месяца назад

    SMG and Jason Behr would go on to star in The Grudge together 😁

  • @LizzieJordie713
    @LizzieJordie713 3 месяца назад

    I have the tattoo! It's on my right shoulder and was my first tattoo

  • @gacchan
    @gacchan 3 месяца назад +1

    Yay more Buffy! So excite.

  • @themediater
    @themediater 3 месяца назад +1

    So I have watched Buffy a lot, like a lot, both on my own and reactions and I have never once thought about this before.... why is she on a roof when she happens upon seeing Angel and Drusilla talking? We know she patrols but usually they just show her going about graveyards and backalleys and stuff, is she getting up on the roofs downtown as well?

  • @user-kv4is6ev5m
    @user-kv4is6ev5m 3 месяца назад

    I don't have the tattoo myself but I have a friend who got it lol

  • @ernesthakey3396
    @ernesthakey3396 3 месяца назад

    In Lie To Me, one thing I liked is that both Buffy and Spike kept their word. Buffy basically promised to let Drusilla go if Spike let the wannabes go, he let them go so she let Dru go. The good guys should keep their word, it is part of what makes them the good guys. Meanwhile Spike promised to turn Ford if Ford delivered the Slayer to him - Ford did that, so Spike turned him. But...Ford didn't bargain for Spike to keep his body safe until he rose as a vampire - that was his mistake - so Spike honored the letter of the agreement but not the spirit, leaving the body there, for whatever happened after that wasn't his concern. As much as both of them might deny it, there is some respect between Buffy and Spike.

    • @ernesthakey3396
      @ernesthakey3396 3 месяца назад

      In S2E8, the one quibble I have is Buffy walking ahead of the obviously untrustworthy Ethan rather than insisting he walk ahead of her. The plot needed her to get knocked out, and the only way that happens is if Ethan catches her by surprise. It is just a bit weak to me.

  • @spamfilter32
    @spamfilter32 3 месяца назад +2

    Angel just sort of smiles and nods at Buffy's question about delivering the blood to the hospital. Like maybe some of it, he will, but he never said "yes." It wasn't a coincidence that Angel showed up to blood bag day. He's got to get his supply somewhere.

    • @Talisguy
      @Talisguy 3 месяца назад +2

      That's not quite how I took it - to me, he looks guilty, like he was going to sample the product but Buffy directly asking him not to shamed him out of it.

    • @spamfilter32
      @spamfilter32 3 месяца назад +2

      @@Talisguy I mean, Buffy didn't invite him there. He went there on his own not expecting to see Buffy there. He was going to make his purchase, but couldn't once he saw Buffy there. I am not saying he won't take all the blood to the hospital. But who's going to misa bag or 2?

    • @Talisguy
      @Talisguy 3 месяца назад

      No, I know he was there to take hospital blood. "Everyone knows about delivery day." I just mean I think all the blood made it to the hospital after Buffy told him to make sure that happened.

  • @morganwilliams5541
    @morganwilliams5541 3 месяца назад

    I love everybody, but Buffy and Willow are definitely my top fav characters.

  • @michellewilson6210
    @michellewilson6210 3 месяца назад

    I now want to watch Blade again lol.

  • @sharonjoan1970
    @sharonjoan1970 3 месяца назад +1

    I'm with Cody, I need to know, hate surprises & not good with change...

  • @Ghostfriend7100
    @Ghostfriend7100 3 месяца назад

    Rewatching as an adult made me realize how awful Giles is at combat. He's supposed to be badass (Ripper) and specifically a slayer trainer but constantly gets KOd with the first hit.

  • @johncampbell756
    @johncampbell756 3 месяца назад

    Either the make-up on Amgel and Willow was bad or the lighting was completely different than expected as they both were clearly wearing lipstick, with Willow's being very dark.

  • @snarkysquirrel
    @snarkysquirrel 3 месяца назад

    i love learning the backstory on giles. but he 100% should have paid for buffys tattoo removal. talk about something being his fault.

  • @heavenlyjaded
    @heavenlyjaded 3 месяца назад

    Cody has the same water bottle as me! Is it 40oz too?

  • @jamesmarch9469
    @jamesmarch9469 3 месяца назад +1

    React to The Poughkeepsie Tapes pleaseeeee

  • @josephirizarry5195
    @josephirizarry5195 3 месяца назад +2

    FUN FACT: Jenny Calendar was 'Pearl' of 'Diamond and Pearl'

    • @evarene07
      @evarene07 Месяц назад

      I hope you’re not speaking of Prince’s muses “Diamond and Pearl” because they are Lori Elle and Robin Laporte Scott.

  • @melskmelsk
    @melskmelsk 3 месяца назад +4

    WE'RE NOT EVEN GAAAY🌈

  • @GemnEyes
    @GemnEyes 3 месяца назад

    Guys all I'll say is, this season gets dark and HEARTBREAKING. Be prepared!

  • @terezastastna941
    @terezastastna941 3 месяца назад

    🎬❤

  • @dragontears
    @dragontears 3 месяца назад

    Ooof (all completely imo, but.
    ...) as fairly heavily tattooed person, poor any Buffy fan that got that tat in the 90s. Lol. It probably held really well and it is ugly AF. 😂 tbf that super thick black work was a staple of late 90s tattooing, whether it was knockoff tribal or Celtic knots or barbed wire or whatever. All that same same fat flat black, and the Buffy demon tattoo is NOT a great design even for a period of not great designs.