‘Clever’ Meat eater Corners Vegan (Intense Debate BACKFIRES)
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01:00- 17:00 subjective morality, humane slaughter, society tho’
17:01 - 24:44 Vegans cause crop deaths tho’
24:44 - 37:47 If you’re against torture, why do you support it?
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😂🤣.. Behavioural ‘Omnivores’, is a heart attack and cancer and high bIood pressure, fat deposits cIog the arteries everywhere, Li👇imp🧟♂️🦠🍖🔴Di🤭ick eating Cooorpses 🛏💔🤷♀️/🤦♀️ .. ruclips.net/video/KK7vFRcB8lk/видео.html .. ruclips.net/video/XmXynDLkbXY/видео.html . Over a 5 minute burger or chicken or eggs etc. CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!! Meat🦠fIake !! Caveman !!!🙄!!! Put the knife down Pssychooo 🧟♂️🔪🦠🍳🍗🍖..🔴... ZombieCaaannibaI !!!!🤦🏼♂️
.. Time-Iapse pig carcasses. 5-10 days in your stomach puutrefying 🤮. Deodorant mask the symptoms but you still smell bad in your feet and shoes and socks 🔴🍖🦠🧟♂️🥾🦶🧦, 🧟♂️💩🚽🤮🤮🤮. No Fibre. PH 4, hard arteries.. ruclips.net/video/VvSZTmWRvXY/видео.html ..
Vegans they don’t smell, because lots of fibre if you eat plants and fruit and nuts and berries and tubers and lentiIs beans and potatoes etc. Lots of fibre !! PH 7-10. Smooth arteries. ToiIet ✅❤️💩🚽😉 neutral. And you get bigger and stronger and fitter when you go plant based. No fat deposits because fat deposits is animals and cheese and fish etc. Herbivores like gorillas and bonobos and Orangutans, no plaque because plaque is eating corpses 🧟♂️🦠🍖🔴... Hard arteries. No fibre !! We are herbivores. Like bonobos and orangutans and gorillas. Ape family. They are herbivores like humans. We act like ‘Omnivores’, and get heart attack and cancer and high blood pressure and strokes no fibre and fat deposits clog your arteries !!!! 51% death rate !!!! Vegans have 4% cancer. And Gorillas they have 1% cancer in the wild 😜. And they don’t eat meat, and they are huge, 97.6% the same as us !!! Fibre is plants and fruit and nuts and berries and sweet potato 🍠 and lentils and beans and rice and oats etc. Peer reviewed scientific fact !! Yeast is B12. Teaspoon 500% !!!!! And it’s natural, 🦠 (hint hint🥖🍞B12). Or marmite teaspoonful 480% !!!!! Duckweed B12 500% teaspoon !!!. Nori sheets B12 46% 1 piece......
But I’m vegan. 😒🦠🍖🔴... 75% of viruses and germs and Covid and ‘Monkeypox’, (Squirrelpox 🧟♂️🦠🍖🔴🐿) is animals. I don’t hurt animals. You do !!!! Ass bandit, t-iii-t juice, fIaccid👇p😫nis eating corpses, fat deposits clog your arteries and your brain and down👇there, like a zombie 🧟♂️, CuIt🔴foIIowing !! CannibaI 🧟♂️🦠🍖👀🔴😵.. !! “Everyone does it, I want to do it because I am a c🔴ward” : ruclips.net/video/92b4luiMPcE/видео.html
🤪🔴... 👈.. Like CharIes Man🖕son. Murder by proxy... 👈🤥🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a burger. 5 minute burger etc !!! Animals life gone for good !! 🤦🏼♂️. Twiice🔴a🔴Cooward !!!! Murder by proxy. Big time.
I was a hypocrite. But now I’m vegan. I don’t hurt animals. Simple really. ✅🤷🏼♂️. RUclips delicious vegan food. Time to change.... ✅ ruclips.net/video/AVBshy_LevY/видео.html .. You don’t hurt your cute little dog 😍🤗🐶🤥. Or a cute parrot 😍🤓🦜🤥. Hypocrite. Big time !!!
Imagine it was you !!! The victim 👽🔪😮\😵🔴🍖👽.🤥
RUclips delicious vegan food, like vegan burgers and vegan cheese and vegan curry and vegan burritos etc ✅😉.
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60 years old, gorillas 🦍🔴🦠🍖🧟♂️, over a freaking 5 minute burger etc !!!!! CuItfoIIowing !!!!
They are Herbivores, ✅❤️😬|-_|💪🦍< are not “Omnivores” !!!!! They never have plaque !!!!! Only humans have plaque eating animals and their secretions. Heart attack is fat deposits clog in the arteries 🧟♂️🦠💩🍖🥓🥩🍣🍳🍗🧀🍦🥛... 🔴.... . We’ve got long long stomachs. Flat teeth 🦷. Little flat teeth 😬. We are herbivores. We act like ‘Omnivores’, get cancer and heart attack and high blood pressure and diabetes and fat deposits clog in the arteries and Alzheimer’s, is eating animals and their secretions, fat deposits !!!!! You can see the fat you eat !!!!! Meat eaters, and 🍗 and 🍖🥓 and fish and cheese et cetera, have 51% death rate, no fibre !!!! Stays in your body and rots !!!! Deodorant mask the symptoms but you still smell 🤮, your feet and shoes and socks and armpits 🤮. Vegans have 4% cancer and that’s it !!!! Lots of fibre if you eat plants and fruit and nuts and berries and tubers and lentils and beans and potatoes et cetera !!!! Peer review science !!!!
Gorilla
Genus of large African apes
For other uses, see Gorilla (disambiguation).
“Blackback” and “Silverback” redirect here. For other uses, see Blackback (disambiguation) and Silverback (disambiguation).
Not to be confused with Guerrilla.
Gorillas are herbivorous, predominantly ground-dwelling great apes that inhabit the tropical forests of equatorial Africa. The genus Gorilla is divided into two species: the eastern gorilla and the western gorilla, and either four or five subspecies. The DNA of gorillas is highly similar to that of humans, from 95 to 99% depending on what is included, and they are the next closest living relatives to humans after chimpanzees and bonobos.
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... Actual photos clogging up the arteries eating animals. ruclips.net/video/LXigmGZk5FU/видео.html .
Wow you really got him multiple times bro. You broke down his position into pieces and then shattered them. He had nothing meaningful left to say to continue to try to justify exploiting and killing animals. That's almost 40 mins very much worth watching.
You dont win any debate when the foundation of your arguement starts and finishes with, "chickens are people"
You could save a couple of W's and a few other letters and just call yourself Wanka.
W.W. You've changed your photo! 💚😁
Oh dont be silly.
But meat is tasty.
And ethical
Joey, Your debating skills are on another level compared to even just two years ago! you cornered the guy so many times and when he knew he was cornered he would deflect hard because saying he is "cool with it" is just cover or a deflection meaning "shit I know I am wrong BUT I really like my life the way it is, I don't care about who has to die as long as I get what I like, and if I face this my life will drastically change, so I will just not go there in my mind and just say "I'm cool with it". Thank god, society will not force me to face my hypocrisy so once I get away from this intelligent vegan I can get back to my delusions!
Delusions like... a chicken is a human?
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 you mean a featherless biped?
@@jdw0426 no, as in a human.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 who's saying chickens are humans?
@@jdw0426 anyone who agrees chickens are a 'someone'.
26:10 He says that if he had the option to pay for something where less suffering was inflicted "I would pay more, if there was one chicken there, and one chicken there, this one was zero suffering and this one was a hundred suffering, I would pay double, triple [for the less suffering option]".
He already has that choice, and it's cheaper. The choice is not to pay for the chicken and to eat plants instead. Incredible mental gymnastics.
What a brilliant debate. Your skills have improved a lot Joey, you totally got him multiple times :)
I guess he would never dare to watch this video again, to avoid the embarrassment XD
Yeah joey got proved wrong many times
@@MrBCB care to elaborate? Seems like you're just burning, coz veganism is rising. Cope 😁
@@JwalinBhatt veganism aint rising my friend. I'll tell you what is rising, the amount of morons running around streets protesting for animal rights. I personally hate the factory farms when animals are kept in small metal cages and treated terribly, but I think we should still eat meat, and normal farms where they have a good life and are cared for, and when they are old or are going to die anyway, kill them, and eat some yummy steak 🥩☕
That's the problem with people like you... it's not about 'getting them' - that's a pretty childish way to look at it and what puts most people off Vegans.
@@Thailand-Explorers What's childish about making people aware of their moral inconsistencies.
Also why should your moral stance towards animals be affected by how the humans with their stance behave/converse with you?
Your stance towards veganism should only be affected by arguments for and against veganism, not by the behavior of vegans.
That's the problem with people like you, your brain is too childish to have a rational conversation.
Truthfully, I do believe this was your best debate. I love your argument of logical consistency, and just the whole thing is a strong principle. Saying humans deserve rights, is the same as saying animals do. Saying animals don’t deserve rights, is saying humans shouldn’t either. Finally people are being exposed to their bigoted speciesism! Thank you Joey we love you
that just isn't true though animals aren't even close to humans in anyway
you know that doesn't make sense tho?
Are you joking?
Weren't you once a bigot then or were you born vegan?
@@billabong5366 why?
It was very surprising to me when I found out that there is torture all across animal farming. Time for people to get out of the Matrix and know what we do to animals
How so? Personally i dont think youre full of crap, i KNOW you are full of crap.
torture
/ˈtɔːtʃə/
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noun
the action or practice of inflicting severe pain or suffering on someone as a punishment or in order to force them to do or say something.
"the torture of political prisoners"
@@evilsotherbrother7481 cringe carnist
@@evilsotherbrother7481 I think your the one filled with crap with all the meat your eating
@@evilsotherbrother7481
verb
inflict severe pain or suffering on.
It's right below the definition you copied and pasted. If you don't think animals are subjected to severe pain and suffering in animal agriculture, you simply don't know what you're talking about.
@@jdb5961 you would say that if you have zero farming experience and been brainwashed by the vegan cult to use lies and deception. The other reason would be if youre from the sub continent then youre naturally predisposed to lies and deception.
The problem with society when it comes to animal suffering is that it’s easy not to care
If you think of it, it's basically the money makers. The elites in the food industry...
Ofc they will try to maximize what they have (in this case animals) and will try to minimize cost in making food..
do we care about people, such as those in Gaza, who are suffering if we arent in their situation?
@@coryleblanc The difference is that the average person isn’t deliberately paying for their suffering everyday for their own pleasure
@@coryleblanc Here in Germany, for weird ideological reasons, most people just don't.
@@30daymissionman not our pleasure, but our tax dollars, or even the companies we work for, fund the war on Gaza.
This was a really good one Joey. Keep it up. I’m happy to see my monthly donation to you show up on my bank statement every month.
It’s such a breath of fresh air to see a conversation with someone articulate who is actually able to reflect upon their actions and choices. Please find a way of avoiding thoughtless people and I’ll happily watch a ton of this content…
Wow mindblown with this conversation and how joey explained, you can clearly tell he's an expert at it 👌
Joey was cornered then pummelled.
I loved Joey's response to everything!
"I disagree with the word torture [because it makes me feel bad]."
Says “You’re creating a weird and complex hypothetical to make a point… it makes your point weaker in a way because you are having to construct these (hypotheticals)” but then constructs his own hypothetical about finding a way to kill an animal with zero suffering, a world where suffering is completely eradicated.
Bigtime Hypocrites, that's what all the animal eaters are.
When you refer to the act of torturing as torturing: "You're using the word torture for effect" - no mate, you are NOT using the word torture for effect...
If I poison you on a fruit farm for eating the fruit would that be torture?
he is though, slaughterhouse-workers aren't allowed to torture animals. they are taught to give the animals a quick death and would be fired if they didnt give them a quick death
Joey, thank you for having these conversations. I admire your patience. My eyes rolled so far back! "I'm just cool with it". I hope the person from this conversation sits down and watches this video back. Question your morality. Stop the mental gymnastics and align your actions with your morals.
Joey you were sharp as a knife with your words, and he was so open to realizing his error and ignorance. This was beautiful.
You mentioned they are tortured before being killed and by definition this is true based on their species. Torture implies inflicting serious pain or suffering as a punishment, and the punishment in this case is the fact that they are pigs, cows, chickens, etc. If they were cats or dogs they wouldn't be tortured because we value them as companions.
I don’t know if the punishment is that they are pigs, cows, chickens etc. I am struggling to understand what the animals are being “punished” for. An animal being born as a pig does not mean that they deserve punishment.
I think the other definition may work a little better. The torture is for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain. I.e. humans torture pigs so they can eat them.
@@cherch4625 It's speciesism.
He's more worried about finding holes in Joey's reasoning, rather than himself. Once he goes home and reflects on this conversation, he'll see why Joey was just bang on with this debate.
Great job Joey! You were extremely impressive with how well you handled this debate!
Ok but let’s look at this with a neutral lens, just focusing on how good someone debates and not what “side” we support (because I support Joey’s cause overall).
The fact is that sometimes Joey’s hypotheticals are total logical failures and completely absurd. For example, he says here what if we breed some humans for meat in farms, separating them from society so killing them doesn’t ruin society.
I’m in serious shock that the guy didn’t automatically fire back with the fact that it is awful for society the very moment we confine innocent people to begin with, much less kill them and their offspring (regardless of it being done on a farm).
That’s the equivalent of carrying out the death penalty on an innocent person, only eating them afterwards (it makes no difference). Western society does _NOT_ tolerate doing that to any innocent person or their kids, *INCLUDING* the innocent ones that offered themselves up to confinement via a crime confession, for one reason or another.
Just because people are in prison doesn’t mean that they aren’t a part of society in some fashion. We have prison guards that are deeply affected working with these prisoners… we have people who work in a court room that do too, and nurses and doctors and psychiatrists, etc., etc..
*Prisoners don’t exist in a vacuum.*
It would be the very same exact thing with innocent people in a farm. They would still be a part of society in some fashion.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 blahblahblah, he's way out there at times, but does he get his point across? Absolutely. You do realize, hypothetical means, not real. You are just like the guy in the video. You have to MAKE THINGS UP to suss out people's believes.
Why didn't you make your own comment, so that you could have got more responses? smh
@@ddpwe5269
Clearly you are not a serious person. You even began your reply like a bored ADHD teenager with no developed maturity whatsoever (what sort of mature adult would ever begin a response to a constructive logical comment with “blahblahblah…?” Not a one.).
I was never rude to you, but you just couldn’t help yourself to be rude af to me, merely because I challenged your opinion. Pathetic.
You even condescended to me again by saying that I am “just like the guy in the debate” when I am not whatsoever (I even said off the bat that I support Joey’s side overall, ya doIt), because like a true cornered ad hominem arguer with nothing logical to come back with, you went off REEEEEing and dismissing my comment/talking down to me.
It’s clear you simply couldn’t handle someone challenging your viewpoint in the slightest, with you thinking Joey did a flawless “bang on” debate here, and figured that if you talked down to me enough, you’d come off looking good.
You weren’t able to understand or logically reply to my comment at all, and instead chose to be the typical biased white knight responder isn’t capable of having an unbiased intellectual discussion. The type of responder that thinks Joey is a god that says everything perfectly and can’t ever be wrong or go about something in an illogical manner.
I never said that Joey can’t make-up things for debates or that it wasn’t an effective way of arguing (you imagined that for some bizarre reason)… For people that have an lQ above room temperature, they would understand that I simply was saying that it needs to be done properly and sometimes Joey comes up with extremely BAD false equivalency/illogical hypotheticals, and this indeed was one of those times (it was super cringe in this instance, tbh).
You even finish your reply with more absurdity, by actually _complaining_ that I replied to you regarding what _YOU_ said, instead of my writing a comment in the main comment section for “more responders,” as if that was supposed to be my goal.
Maybe that’s _YOUR_ goal (needing as much replies/attention as possible), but others aren’t as insecure and merely just want to respond to someone when they have something to say to them, creating conversation when and where they see fit.
In all my years on YT, this is the first time I’ve *ever* seen someone complain that I replied to them and didn’t write in the main comment section instead, lmfao. It really shows how angry you get when someone effectively challenges what you write, and you realize they have a solid point, but you have too much of an ego to admit they are.
I hope you grow up one day.
And I know that you will most likely respond with “TL;DR” as a way to continue to protect your ego and condescend to me, but we both know you did read it, as will others.
Ciao, sweetheart.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 You sound so outraged at the suggestion of what's being done to animals be done to humans instead. You think it's worse to do it to humans than innocent animals? That's the very definition of human supremacy, which is what the blockhead in the video's whole problem was.
@@mikethats4thebirds600 we objectively are superior to other animals. That’s very clear. And if you consider us animals then we are part of the food chain and that’s factually very natural
Holy snap! Joey i have never seen a man get grilled so bad, he almost cried at the end LMAO! 😂😂
It all boils down to he is quite happy ignoring the torture of animals.
That guy is addicted to flesh and coming up with reasons of why it’s okay to harm other beings for his desire to consume flesh.
just like vegans, hypocrite
@@bluetinsel7099 we dont need any reason other than it tastes great. Eating meat is perfectly normal.
@@evilsbrowndog4068
So you enjoy harming others because you want to eat their flesh for the taste of plants that they are seasoned with. If you actually thought flesh tasted great then you would eat it raw like other carnivores, but you don’t. You cool the flesh and add seasoning to it to make it taste decent. Then you have others slaughtering those other being for your fleshly satisfaction all so you can put plants on it to make it taste great. So you don’t think you need a reason, but you already have one and it’s your fleshly desires to eat others flesh and turn your body into a graveyard. Also it’s not normal to eat flesh. It’s normal to eat plants.
@@bluetinsel7099 I think veganism is a great cause but come on, meat tastes pretty good, just a bit of salt and it's delicious. I wouldn't eat most plants without at the minimum some salt, probably some kind of fat and other herbs as well.
Joey I think this was your best debate ever. Polished and concise with just the right amount of forwardness that you’re known for.
Exactly
It's either speciesism or some reason he didn't feel comfortable with sharing e.g. the taste of animals, masculinity ideals? Etc. I don't know, but it felt like he was repeating himself with no good arguments to back up his claims. And great job Joey, always here to support your work - I think your arguments are super solid, but I guess this person was not willing to be very honest and open during the discussion. Hope to meet you one day to thank you!
I love kfc and taco bell
@@mackenzieglidden2968 yeah the vegan options are pretty good 👍
@@dot5816 exactly. MacKenzie will just try and troll. But it's cuz she's not awake yet
@@joeblowjo no worries, I think she already understands but she is still trying to deny the sad reality ❤️
@@dot5816 true. It's too much of a paradigm shift for lots of people to wake up and realize we've been lied to our whole lives
It was interesting that he was not comfortable with the hypothetical points raised by Joey but had no problem with conceiving of a hypothetical where all animal products can be obtained without torture.
It is easy to say that you would pay 3 times more for the dead animal if it came from some hypothetical cruelty free nirvana but a) he isn’t doing that and nor would he and b) such a nirvana doesn’t exist.
The worst thing is that I would have agreed with this guy’s points once.
You make a good point
Because the hypothetical points raised by Joey are silly and far fetched ( WHAT IF WE KILLED PEOPLE WITH PINK SHIRTS) why are his hypotheticals always to do with killing people? Humans don’t eat humans for a start.
@@fluffyhead6377 hes using eating humans as an analogy since both us and other animals are sentient beings that can suffer and fear death. it applies well enough to disprove the carnists points
@@hata6290
Ok but let’s look at this with a neutral lens, just focusing on how good someone debates and not what “side” we support (because I support Joey’s cause overall).
The fact is that sometimes Joey’s hypotheticals are total logical failures and completely absurd. For example, he says here what if we breed some humans for meat in farms, separating them from society so killing them doesn’t ruin society.
I’m in serious shock that the guy didn’t automatically fire back with the fact that it is awful for society the very moment we confine innocent people to begin with, much less kill them and their offspring (regardless of it being done on a farm).
That’s the equivalent of carrying out the death penalty on an innocent person, only eating them afterwards (it makes no difference). Western society does _NOT_ tolerate doing that to any innocent person or their kids, *INCLUDING* the innocent ones that offered themselves up to confinement via a crime confession, for one reason or another.
Just because people are in prison doesn’t mean that they aren’t a part of society in some fashion. We have prison guards that are deeply affected working with these prisoners… we have people who work in a court room that do too, and nurses and doctors and psychiatrists, etc., etc..
*Prisoners don’t exist in a vacuum.*
It would be the very same exact thing with innocent people in a farm. They would still be a part of society in some fashion.
@@hata6290 It’s a bad analogy because cannibalism is a bit different to being a carnivore, you would be arrested if you killed people, if it was legal what is Joeys point? Killing humans is bad so killing animals is just as bad? Is a terrible analogy, Life has always eaten other life, many of them eat their own kind, why is eating meat all of a sudden bad now? Because a tiny percentage of the vegan population deems it immoral so we should all stop eating meat? It’s absolutely laughable
Guy is literally shaking, if they don't care why do their inconsistencies get to them
Interesting. He's not well versed in philosophical thinking (or just the art of asking why), but I'm really impressed by how Joey is pushing towards the actual reasons he has. His "fundamental" beliefs aren't really fundamental, there are underlying reasons and values that he hasn't explored, but exploring them makes him uncomfortable so he stops at the "fundamental" belief that killing animals for food is ok, or killing humans is wrong.
I love the use of “churned up” rabbits etc to add graphic effect. Mice and rabbits run away from loud and dangerous things, case closed. There will be I’d imagine few animals that stand still when a loud harvester comes towards them. So factoring in Animals on a portion of land that is being harvested does not equate to number of animals that will be killed in the process at all.
You poison them and shoot nearby threats to the crops, normally invasive species like all livestock so it's all good.
you 🔔end. Loads of mice get churned up!
The point is that there is no humane way to kill an animal that does not want to die. It doesn't matter if you are against abusing animals, the only way to stop it is not to give money to this industry.
this dude was excruciating. He was trying so hard to not say " i like the taste too much to care, out of sight out of mind"
I just can't imagine a mouse or a rabbit sitting still and being run over by a combine harvester.
There was actually an outdoors study done where 32 out of 33 mice survived in a field with a combine harvester. They see and hear this loud giant monster machine coming towards them and they run for the hills. They are far from stupid like people want to think!
@@mikethats4thebirds600 Good to know.
@@mikethats4thebirds600don’t for get the chemicals tillage and all the tires going over them as a farm i can confirm they do get ran over more than you’d think and yes hawks and other predators do look for them while they are rubbing away
He’s every dad in the uk, I’m suffering flashbacks to Christmas dinner chat.
Well done Joey, a good conversation and you nailed it again.
Torture: The act of causing great physical or mental pain in order to persuade someone to do something or to give information, or to be cruel to a person or animal.
Torture is being in a situation or position where the victim is not comfortable in the environment and has been subjected to physical or mental pain that evokes feelings being scared, vulnerable and frightened.
Animals raised for food will always involve torture, you can’t put them in a unnatural environment that isolates them from social connection, freedom to roam, malnourishment/overfeeding, and purposely seeing them as products as the end result.
If a human was put in a cage for weeks and subsisted of little water, food. fresh air and sunlight they’d be malnourished. Even if scientists could measure torture and it was negligible or non existent you still can make reason for a process which is unnecessary.
I wasn't going to watch this all the way through but the quality of the discussion, from both parties is very high and I just can't stop watching it. I'm going to share this video with a few friends who would particularly value the discord (and benefit from the content)
This bloke has a really open mind, Joey earns tremendous respect with every conversation he engages in - the people are waking up.
He was respectful throughout the debate, but his argument boiled down to “I don’t care” or rather “I don’t WANT to care”.
Amazing. Really great debate, shame he had to leave. I don’t think this topic is discussed enough: how to make someone realise that deep down they’re actually not ok with it but have just been conditioned and convinced they are. It is so difficult to get through this point but at least he was open and willing to be honest. He really needs to watch dominion though.
Yes, even if there was a method to kill a pig or cow pain free, we still wouldn't eat them because you'd still be needlessly taking their lives.
Why is that so hard to grasp?
The messenger shouldn’t be the reason you go vegan. The billions of sentient lives should be the reason. Joey reinforced that point to the very end in that man. Joey holds steadfast in his commitment to animal rights.
That was on the top...you were an the top Joey! Thank you!!! He will never forget this conversation!!👏👏👏🌱🌱🌱
Very good, Joey!
I think the "I'm cool with it" stand is a result of the cognitive dissonance. They are distanced from the processes, but not completely oblivious about them, so it seems they shield themselves by adopting this kind of indifferent, confident behaviour. I think we should find more ways to confront this and Joey did a good job by showing him his inconsistencies.
In any case, I think people should be called out for knowing all the facts and still keep being comfortably part of the problem.
'Facts' like... chickens are people?
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 however you wanna call them... 'Facts' more like they are sentient, want to live and we don't have to eat them.
@@MarcosFeminella we dont have to go plant based either, thats also your freedom to choose. And they may be sentient as are ants and cockroaches but they arent sapient. They dont have the mental faculties to 'want' to live. All they 'want' is like 3 lines of very basic code and that is to eat, sleep and breed.
Your arguement is utter shit, based purely on your own human emotions and not on animal behavioural science whatsoever.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 Of course they have the mental faculties to "want to live". If they have the chance they will run away or protect themselves if you try to hurt them. Or what do you expect them to do? To speak and tell you they don't want to die?
You could see the other animals also just wanting to 'eat, sleep and breed' (which is not really true, btw) and we can't just mass breed, selectively breed them in a way that after some days of life they can't even sustain their body weight and then cut their heads off while they're still babies, just because you want to eat their flesh.
Two videos for you to get more informed about chickens: How they were 'created' in the us: ruclips.net/video/ml2ZBDuLNXk/видео.html. And how the KFC chickens are kept: ruclips.net/video/a04vdSdQr8U/видео.html
So yes, we have to be vegan.
Take a shot everytime uncle trombone says a 'chicken is not a human', edit do not take part if you are a recovering alcoholic or need to drive in the next week or so.
Excellent debate. One of the best I've ever seen on any vegan activist channel! Unfortunately, this guy is incredibly prejudiced against animals. His speciesism is bordering on fascism. He literally said humans are the greatest species on earth and admitted he has no issue with other species dying for our pleasure... yet, couldn't explain why! He doesn't even recognise his own speciesism. Joey philosophised to a level far beyond his intellect, he ended up just regurgitating nonsense that he's read online like 'strawman' and 'false equivalence' in an attempt to seem intelligent and justify his weak point of view. In the end, all he managed to achieve was enabling Joey an opportunity to destroy any argument that similarly week minded people would come with
GREAT COMMENT!
fascism? lmaooo come on man.
@Sal Munur Totally agree. His disdain and prejudice against animals was off the chart into human supremacy.
He somehow thinks killing isn't suffering to an animal, maybe a visit to a farm and abattoir would give him a bit of empathy.
i feel like this guy would try and convince you your red shirt is green.
I have never seen a person who was so lacking in empathy for animals, but at the same time really likeable. 😅 This was a tough one, but you have mastered it brilliantly. Your debating skills are through the roof, Joey! No one is better in these debates, in my opinion. Keep up the amazing work!
Hitler adored his dogs while happily sending millions to the concentration camps for torture and murder. How the human mind can compartmentalise and therefore support brutality is incredible and frightening. Truly we are the worst species.
It comes to something when he actually tried to say that maybe humans are only the 2nd worst behind mosquitoes and Joey scotched that argument.
This is what the disconnect can do to people
Just wow, great stuff as always joey
I just don't understand why people can't go veggie and vegan. There is so much amazing non-meat food out there. There's literally no meat food that can't be replaced with a plant alternative! Vegan ham slices, Quorn chicken fillets, vegan alternatives everywhere, oat, soya and rice milks. No meat needed. There's not one dish you can't make with the plant alternatives.
I think some bodies cannot absorb plants as well so veggie and vegan are not viable, I agree it is strange.
Veganism is the single best philosophy ever. 🙏🏼 Thank you for your part Joey. Much love and respect!
It was an diet and now it's an cult
@@mackenzieglidden2968 your meat eating cult is the longest running murder industry
@@mackenzieglidden2968 yea, and the slavery of animals isn’t. You’re a loser laughing at animal suffering
@@mackenzieglidden2968 it's neither. look up the definition of philosophy.
@@spliter227 Philosophy - a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour.
I appreciate the zoom in on the nervous hand movements 🤣
I thought the same 😂
This guy doesn’t understand that torturing and killing an animal long before that animal is even remotely close to the end of its life just shows how oblivious some people really are with regards to what they are supporting when paying for animal products!!
What torture?
@@evilsotherbrother7481 ruclips.net/video/ny6aqdFy9SI/видео.html
He doesn't understand how he's showing how oblivious other people are? Lol that's such a poorly structured sentence.
Also even if you structured it correctly, it makes no sense anyway. How does the reality of what happens "just go to show" how oblivious people are to it? 😅 That's like me saying "I'm wearing a blue t-shirt, which just goes to show how oblivious you are to that." Or "When people are walking on the street, there's a sewer underneath them, which just goes to show how oblivious they are to that."
People being oblivious can't be demonstrated simply by describing the thing they're oblivious to haha that's bizarre 🤷♂️
Ok sentence structure ... ok then William Shakespeare. Your’s is so perfect but that’s not we are talking about are we?
@barry394139 so you're saying there's two types of people; there's those that can't structure sentences properly, then there's Shakespeare? 😂
Also I've responded to what you meant, so you can't say I've ignored your point. I understand your point and it makes no sense, regardless of structure. I explained that.
Viewing a sentient being as a product to make profit from is psychopathic!
Thank you exactly.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 How about using your wife and children as products to derive profits and exploiting them and slitting their throats to have a piece of meat sandwich?
Is that psychopathic?
psychopaths are 99% of the rich elites and 100% of governements these type of psychos vote for
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Thats whats wrong with our world
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Rich compassionless psychos who see us all as products for their companies
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Just cogs in a machine
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Nothing more than Annoying negative numbers on his bank balance he tries his best to keep as low as possible with no care if that person is struggling to pay all the bills as long as HE is rich and HE has the spare cash for the spare lambo for the weekends
plants are sentient too:(
@@ExtremelyBadPlayer dont be so stupid
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A plant does not interact with you like a sentient being
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Anamals are aware of their life and develop all different personalities just like a human
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When you keep all the delicious meats as pets instead,
they are all alot like dogs
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They play
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Some have a sence of humor
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Some are naughty
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Some are good
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Some are giant softies and crave affection
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Some dont like being touched
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All sentient
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just like a human
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If you grow a plant on its own it does just fine
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But animals get stressed and lonely if they are not cared for and get depressed
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Just like a human
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A dog is a classic example of expression
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You can clearly see a happy dog
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A relaxed dog
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An angry dog
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From facial expressions of a sentient being inside them
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Just like humans......
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The "plants have feelings" bs meat eaters use is old and obsolete and a bit desperate
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Whats the matter ? Scared youl have to admit its horrible and barbaric to kill a sentient being for the taste and nothing more
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Taste
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Not because we need meat to live
Sick video! Best one in ages.
This was one of the best debates I’ve seen on your channel @Joey Carbstrong
I am a high nutrion plant base eater, lifestyle. I would not say I am vegan. But I am against animal cruelty, in any way with farming.
You pulled this man's points apart at the seams. What a great debate. Good job well done Sir
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Cognitive dissonance would be a good term for what this guy has
I think the issue is that meat eaters approach the debate from the standpoint of eating meat/dairy for survival, when for most people, eating meat/dairy is actually for enjoyment. They justify the taking of life, for nothing more than a flavor. If a person is given a choice between a dessert they love and a dessert they are just ok with and asked to choose between the two, with the one caveat being if they choose their favorite, a kitten will be killed...most will choose the just ok dessert. If they they choose the kitten dying for flavor, its likely they are heading into a sociopathic direction. As vegans, we need to remove the concept of survival in these discussions and show it for what is actually happening which is killing is fine for the enjoyment of flavor.
Production value is so good
Keep it up!
His back was against the wall so he drops 'crop deaths tho'
He had nothing,..... GREAT DEBATE JOEY! this was so good to watch, he had no real argument!
If anyone reading this thinks similarly to this guy, being "cool" with something isn't an excuse to keep doing it. If I was "cool" with rape, it still wouldn't be right for me to rape. Great debate Joey, you did amazing!
One of the best debates so far! Good Job!
That was an AMAZING debate!! Cheers to both of you haha, I loved this one so much. You have improved so much Joey, it's just astounding. I seriously aspire to have discussions like this and your argumentation skills once I really get into it. Way to go!
He seems like a decent guy. Open minded at least.
Probably around where I would have been before I went vegan.
Hopefully a seed has been planted for him.
Best word to use is torture. The direct definition of torture is to inflict severe pain or suffering on. Lol he just didn't like that word. Made his argument look really bad and he knew it and it also made him look bad
You're very sharp. I'm very happy I've came across your channel. These videos help me a lot with my conversations with people about veganism.
You're awesome!
Wow great job Joey this was eye opening and I've seen hundreds of these
you absolutely owned him at every single turn... amazing stuff Joey love it!!
It shouldn't be about "ownage".
Thank you for everything you do for the animals.
My food is both grown and born
@@antibigotpolice Why are you here? Get a life 🙄
@@loopstationyt freedom of speech
@@antibigotpolice animal abuser
@@loopstationyt cheesy George Is in an internal turmoil, knowing veganism is the correct and best way to live. The trolling of animal rights videos is an attempt to convince his/herself that it's OK to be carnist.
Wow i enjoyed this so much. Learning more and more from you every day.
You've really became a great debater. It's a treat to listen to such a great conversation. Thank you for all you do, Joey.
This was brilliant! Patience ❤️
This is excellent. I love how he recognises inconsistencies in his reasoning and doesn't get defensive about it.
Yes, but his response would be that he exposed inconsistencies in the vegan position too.
@@robsengahay5614 Like what exactly?
Amazing video once again Joey!!
This was a brilliant discussion to watch!
Doesn’t want animals to suffer bc they’re sentient beings with feelings, but he’s “down” for supporting that suffering and shooting them in the head for a sandwich. Because humans. Dude refuses to accept the evil reality behind the farming of animals and is a pretzel full of contradictions. He keeps circling around desperately trying to justify his refusal to take responsibility for his dark and selfish behavior. #fuckhumansupremacy
Great work, Joey. I especially loved your words at the end. 🙏
You backed him into a corner with no route of escape.
He just couldn't admit that his meat eating was morally bankrupt. I was waiting for him to start to cry.
Please keep up this good work Joey, never stop. You keep me sane, thank you so much. Your patience & intelligence are amazing.
Great video and argument Joey 👍👍
*guy being interviewed uses the word "unnecessary"* * Joey's brain - "We got 'em."
Excellent work, as always. Love your videos. 💚💚💚💚.
This was an awesome debate!!!
There’s a fiction book called The Shed by M. C. Ronen where humans removed from society are farmed.
Really interesting read.
I still wouldn't kill an animal, even if they didn't suffer, because I would be robbing them of their experience of life
great discussion! keep it going joey
This was brilliant, Joey! Well done and thank you for your work.
He was saved by his phone. Well done Joey!!!! This guy had zero empathy or compassion in him. Sadly another one of those horrible egregious humans.
Yup. Thats the problem with our world.. too many people like him own busibesses and corporations and have their currupt lives dictated by even more currupt psychopaths they vote for
I'm not sure about that. I think he may actually feel a little conflicted about the topic, and using his "humans are special" argument as a sort of defensive mechanism to prevent him from thinking too deeply about it. I can definitely relate, because this was more or less my stance on meat eating before going vegan myself. I wish somebody had sat me down for a discussion like this, because I'm sure I would have made the connection much sooner.
interesting debate again joey! 👍🏽
Great vid Joey
This is so good thank you!
I think an interesting thing would be to ask him if he would buy lab grown meat. If suffering is the only thing he cares about and said he'd be willing to pay more for meat with no suffering, then there you go.
Why does it have to be "Lab grown meat" for him to go vegan? He can try a multitude amount of different vegan mock meats that are incredible and simply look up recipes online... there you go.
@@johndouglas9893 I agree. I'm only talking about his question of, "What if there was sufferless meat?" If my family went vegan but decided to cook lab grown meat at a BBQ then I might eat it since there isn't anything wrong with it morally even though I wouldn't be as happy about the heme iron and other stuff in it I'd prefer not to have in my body. But morally, it would be fine.
Just like how people are working on making cow milk without needing a cow. They make it in these big vats. Nothing wrong with it morally but I wouldn't drink it.
Great Video!!!!
wow this was the best , joey you rock!
I actually really liked this man and the conversation in general. He is thinking aloud, and examining the (lack of) arguments, trying to justify his position. Realizing your position is not based on solid philosophical argumentation and factual grounds is (or at least can be) key to adjust your position altogether. This is cognitive dissonance in real time. I liked it, because this conversation reflects my own paradigm shift concerning animal sentience/rights.
I long for the day that necessary conversations like this are being broadcasted by large media outlets on (inter)national TV and internet.
The whole, having a farm of human children that live and die without suffering, reminds me of “the promised never land”
Joey always amazing discussion and really insightful 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
Would the Joey of 20 years ago ever have imagined the Joey of now leading this conversation? 👌👐👍
He seems like a really honest guy. Just lacking a huge part of his personality where he cares about animals, or at least has the backbone to change his habits so he’s not paying for their suffering
This was masterful on Joey’s part
Wow, great debate!
Loved the debate!
I appreciate him recognizing inconsistencies in his reasoning and at least being honest about it.
Joey, you have definitely improved!
14:54 That response right there, is PURE APATHY. And you can tell quite easily that it contradicts the other stand point of him not wanting harm or torture to come to the other animals before they're killed. But that wouldn't be some kind of fantasy World, kind of like Harry Potter's great hall feasts where a magician claps their hands and body parts of chopped up animals appear on the tables. That's NOT how that animal farming system works. There is ALWAYS immense cruelty and torture going on. It's part and parcel of that industry. And the main problem is, that apathy is so ingrained into society and people, even the people who are the most decent and humble, who wouldn't kill another animal themselves, if it wasn't to do with survival. Getting through all those lies is sometimes like chipping away at ice using an ice cream cone 🥴
Brilliant discussion once again.
This guy is intelligent and he’s sitting there sticking to his theory. Regardless of how much he looks like a complete psychopath 😂 really entertaining. Scary but quite funny
If that is your view of what intelligence is, then that is of deep concern. This guy was a complete moron with no clue or argument whatsoever.
Define "intelligent." I think he's actually stuck on stupid, refusing to admit that animals should be treated with as much care and respect as humans.
@@mikethats4thebirds600 animals and humans are different mate. not everyone is going to be happy. human civilisation is more important than animal civilisation. who cares if one cow dies. if i eat meat and gain benefits from it such as iron, zinc and B vitamins which is worth it for killing that one cow.