This is the moment he got caught out | Libertarian VS vegan
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A libertarian meat eater sat down to debate and the conversation takes an interesting turn after we begin unpacking his moral system to see if it is consistent.
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Joey I think you should have a pig with you when you ask these people about the ANIMALS THEY SHOULD SEE FOF THEMSELVES JUST HOW FANTASTIC THESE BEAUTIFUL SENTIENT BEINGS ARE
I’m about to double my Patreon monthly donation to Joey for this crucial work and hope everyone else will join, too!
@@mattsapero1896 I hope you realize you're being scammed, bro.
One of your best, a truly open mind and not impoverished, hoping for the best.
@Frøzenfyre I’m vegan. I don’t hurt animals. You do !!!! CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!! Meat🔴fIake !!!! Caveman !!! Hypoo🤥crite. Big time !!!! Put the kniiife 👓🤪🔪🔴 down, Jeffrey : ruclips.net/video/-m9XjjScrUY/видео.html !!!!
damn what a genuine dude who is actually interested in the philosophy of veganism, awesome conversation Joey!!
LOL the philosophy of veganism. Thats gold.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 😕
@@moma8518 veganism is the worst form of hypocrisy and only appeals to gullible lonely idiots.
@@VeganSemihCyprus33 silence little cultist.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 It's gold indeed. If everyone had that philosophy, the world would be a much better place.
"The more vulnerable the victim, the greater the crime." 💯 What a productive conversation. This guy put his ego aside completely. That's honorable. I learned from both of you. Hope he gets consistent with his morals. Expert convo, J.
What a terrible quotation. Is it worse to murder a healthy 10 year old with a bright future, or a 10 year old who can't see, speak, or walk, and has to be fed through a tube for the rest of their lives?
@@mmhmm9271 Hey, how's it goin? This quote demonstrates that they're both bad. Whether or not one's worse doesn't negate that the other is awful. It's not an either or; not everything is binary. The crux of the matter here has to do with our actions, like murder, not to whom it's done. Like, maybe let's not hurt the vulnerable when we can otherwise avoid it.
@@brookie_cuqui yea I agree, that's why I found the quotation to be exceedingly dumb. I've heard people say similar things plenty of times, and it always rubs me the wrong way.
p.s I'm going pretty well, I hope you are too :)
@@mmhmm9271 I can see where you're coming from. For me, the quote demonstrates that both are wrong, regardless of which is worse, which I think makes it practical, but we can have different opinions about that. I'm glad we both agree on what matters though. Keep fightin the good fight, man.
@@brookie_cuqui I've just watched the entire video you uploaded a couple of days ago, and left a comment for the algorithm. You seem like a great person.
Cool to see Joey trying out some more intense active listening, it really seemed to payoff!
Main goal in my own outreach convos is always...get them to change their OWN mind.
I hope you get more subscribers mate, terrific channel!
You’re channel is so underrated. I see many subs in your future
@@primitiveprimate5529 Thanks I appreciate you saying that!
my thoughts as well
Change their own mind via intense brainwashing and mind control? That's what vegans do
This was a good example of how far a proper conversation can go
no conversation involving a vegan is "proper" at all, it's just mad crazy sorry
@@MrJavacash did you actually watch and listen to this conversation? Explain how this wasn't a proper, respectful, thought provoking discussion
@Brad Fielke Avash M won’t explain. He bolsters his stupidity, likes his own comments and avoids any conversation that requires intellect and logic. The kid isn’t that bright..
@@paulb8251 if I need a screenwriter, I'll remember you
@ Annibals Aw thanks 😊 I’ll
Make sure to comment on all of your comments going forward.
Alternative title: “Watching a guy slowly wake up to his cognitive dissonance”!
He already looks vegan, very skinny and weak looking
@@x-latetv-x6816 Just goes to show then, a non vegan diet isn't that healthy, although skinny is healthier than fat.
@@garibaldi54 yup you can be an unhealthy meateater, that's not a new discovery
@Anthony you need to come more often, I frequent vegan videos and comment pretty much everyday, helping with the algorithm because veganism needs all the help it can get so il do my part
@Anthony I would happily accept that award but garudalegends and assassin9958 have me me beat there😁
This is so great, we need non vegans to see this, he practically sat down because he was interested to learn, not to argue.
Cutting down on meat isn't enough.. if 50 animals were being eaten instead of 1000, that's still going to matter to the 50 animals that DO die. Those matter just as much that don't die.
My wife and I have two fifteen year old boys. We are self employed in the hunting and sport fishing industry. We were going to give them summer jobs but their science teacher who is a vegan activist had just one debate with them.
They turned vegan they made some good points with us. For example they asked how could we live with ourselves knowing that everything we have has been paid for with the blood of innocent animals.
We realized that after they asked that question they pulled out their cell phones. So we cancelled their cell phones, took their desktop computers donated them to needy families long story short everything they have now are the clothes on their back and a roof over their heads.
They are not taking driver's education because they can't afford it. My wife and I we can but no vegan would accept assets that came from the blood of innocent animals.
@@shawndarling5855 few words to reply to this... Educate yourself on what the definition of veganism is. It's a personal choice not a controlled choice first off, and secondly. Your kids teacher done the right thing, your a pair of hypocrites, give them there phones back, they probably harmed 1 animal to have that phone yet you harm 2 a day. Shame on you.
@@GarethRiffStevens My wife and I when we were their age we never had smart phones let alone a cell phone. If we did it would be the size of a brick. Also we would have to pay the monthly bill ourselves.
We figured that also they are fifteen years old they can get a job and start paying for a luxury item like that themselves. Even if it is not working for me there are plenty of jobs out there.
You want to talk about being a hypocrite look at those boys of ours they want this and that but yet they want my wife and I to pay for it all. A lot of animals die because of the gear and other services in the hunting and sport fishing industry we provide. But we can live with ourselves doing that and our boys question it.
@@shawndarling5855 couldn't care less about what happened back then, the important thing is that your children are showing empathy towards animals that were being killed for them to eat. They want to change, and you should support there choices, phones are not luxury, they are as important nowadays as a car, an i.d , a passport. It's important they have internet access or have you stopped them using your internet at home? 🧐
Personally, I think your taking this choice of there's the wrong way, , there are many crop deaths and they are eating those crops, so are you going to take away there vegetables too? because you pay for them. Like they are a luxury, they should buy there own food.
You and your wife are very much the intentional bigger Hypocrites here, your going out hunting and fishing harming other animals and fish yet you are against animal cruelty? I bet you don't like dog fighting, I bet if you was walking along the street and a lost puppy came running up to you and stopped at your feet crying , you would pick him/her up and rescue the pup.
@@GarethRiffStevens Couldn't really find dog fighting matches. I grew up in Florida knew that they were out there. A couple Cuban guys that worked for my uncle introduced me to cock fighting.
Made a lot of money at it then a meeting got busted. With my age at the time I just had to serve food to homeless people and pick trash up along the highway.
Now I just stick to horse and dog races once in a while. Made money on those bets as well. We were even going to invest in partners on a horse. But the jockey wasn't too keen on using the whip, so it wasn't a winning horse. I would prefer to have a return on an investment.
You are probably supporting human trafficking and don't know it. When you go to buy your plants you don't know if how exactly those field workers got into this country and they owe those a debt they will never pay off
I have driven down the highway and seen plenty of dogs and cats in the rain and we just kept going.
Greta discussion! You directed the whole conversation so well
Didn't know Greta was in this video
Great conversation 👏 you did an amazing job xxx
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Great work Joey! And Joseph, you are a wonderful person. I hope you make the change - you have a beautiful mind. I want a friend like you 😂
I wish we had a transcript of this clip. I’d send it to every Carnist I know!
@@rondarkman. Thanks for destroying the biosphere. Your kids and grandkids will curse you. Derp.
" God put them here.... blah blah blah " ... sigh & lament.
Thank you
Do most vegans believe veganism is a moral necessity? This is coming from a vegan who doesn't believe its a necessity but believes it's a very very good thing to do.
Dunno if I'd phrase it that way. But being vegan is the neutral choice towards animals. Same as not being a murderer is neutral, and not being a rapist is neutral. It's a non-action. So I see it as an obligation in the same way that not hitting others, without justification, is an obligation. Technically we shouldn't even have a term. Hence why I try to focus on how everyone is a carnist, as opposed to me being a vegan.
No such thing as a moral necessity, but subjectively there's a good argument for it.
No, and I agree with you. What is morally necessity is to be born again and repent of our sins.
@@Atypical_Chad Well if we look at it that way then nobody is morally neutral at all in modern society. Even vegans wouldn't be fully neutral toward animals or people, just better than non-vegans.
Great work as always Joey. You've got it locked down. :)
Interesting topic discussion on a cow vs. dog speciesism. One thing I have yet to understand about ethical vegans or vegetarians is that when a farmer goes to harvest his crops or spray pesticides on the crops, he or she is technically committing mass genocide of numerous insects. Why does a cow, chicken, or pig have more value than different species of insects? Is it because they are larger? Spend more time investing in their youth? Furthermore, if we did not eat cows, deer, pig etc. this would lead to an overpopulation of these animals anyway and they would die out eventually due to a lack of resources and famine. This is a well established concept and population equilibrium will always occur naturally. One thing we can agree on is that large factory farms in which animals are treated terribly is a big problem ethically and has an unfavorable carbon footprint. Curious if anyone has any thoughts on this.
No species has more value, vegans need to live also, so it's about minimizing harm. But since more farmland is reserved for feeding vegetable for animals than humans, the way to reduce those insect deaths would still be to go vegan. As for those animals dying, that's true, especially since we've bred them to not be particularly healthy. But letting them live out their very short span, and not forcing them to breed in the way we do is the more ethical choice versus breeding them by the billions to die. Vegans aren't against animals dying naturally, that'd be a pretty difficult stance to maintain lol but harming them for our pleasure isn't really the same thing.
@@erichmyles4481 You definitely bring up some good points. I will say though that overpopulation of a species followed by lack of resources and subsequent starvation for the animals is not a fun way to die. This is why hunting is so important in many areas as it helps to maintain population equilibrium. Overhunting can lead to poor outcomes but so can not hunting at all. However, this is like comparing apples to oranges when comparing hunting to mass-produced domesticated animals like cows. Killing and eating some of the cows using regenerative agriculture methods would help to maintain some amount of equilibrium. This still probably does not satisfy a lot of vegans and vegetarians in terms of the ethics of still killing animals but I would be interested in seeing a study on how many animals (insects) are killed from mass-produced plants such as soybeans vs. the animal life killed from not only producing the plants to feed the animals (insects) but also from killing the animals for their meat. That would be a pretty difficult study to conduct with all the cofactors and sampling methods.
@@julian9794 while I can hear the argument for local hunting due to overpopulation, since I haven't done the research, I don't think it applies to these animals we're eating en masse, as they're not wild animals, it'd be our responsibility to care for them until they died as it's our fault they exist in the first place. It's be hard to find that data on insect deaths, as even the soy is mostly used for livestock, and more non vegans are using it at present than vegans, but it's about minimizing harm, bugs plus animals is objectively more harm than just bugs, and if you're saying that plant farming should be done more ethically, I doubt many vegans would disagree.
You clearly never did your research and never watched documentaries like dominion…
We breed animals into existence just for eating them! Thats why there are a lot! But once we will stop to murder them , they will be very less! Stop finding lame excuses not to be vegan!
@@CicoinTokyo777 Ah, very mature first statement. Why would humans not breed these animals into existence for eating? The nutrients in the organs and the skeletal tissue of a cow are unmatched when compared to plant-based foods. These nutrients from cows are bioavailable and easy to digest for most people. Conversely, the nutrients in plants can be hard to digest and for myself, anecdotally, a lot of plant foods and grains exacerbate my Crohn's disease. I have been able to put my Crohn's disease in clinical remission by eating a primarily red meat-based diet with some fruit, avocados, sweet potatoes, and very few easily digestible vegetables. Cows are also able to survive in multiple geographical locations year round. In most areas of the world, a vegan or vegetarian diet is unrealistic as all the plant and crop life have a hard time surviving during the winter. A vegan and vegetarian diet is only realistic now because of modern agricultural techniques with worldwide shipping. However, a vegan or vegetarian diet is not the best modality for all people as certain individuals have a harder time digesting plant-based foods and grains such as myself.
Brilliant
If someone is deaf or even blind or maybe they just don’t wanna talk to you Bobby language and it’s called body language for a reason because it’s a language much like ASL can tell you a lot about how someone is feeling if a woman is crossing her arms and pulling away from you that means she’s uncomfortable she doesn’t have to tell you she’s uncomfortable to get across that she’s uncomfortable when you’re clenching your fist in your teeth with your man or a woman means you’re angry with your brows furled means or angry when your cheeks get flushed mean sometimes that your basketball that you’re shy that you’re blushing body language, is everything animals do it two they wag their tails when they’re happy they cower in fear if they’re scared of something, I’ll run away if they’re scared of something, Teletech, you if they feel threatened, they’ll skeptically look at you and tentatively walk up to you if they’re unsure of how to react to you they cry out in pain if you kick them punch them, burn them and wiggle and scramble to get away from you that’s how you know if they’re making sounds means they’re in pain or they’re happy or they’re sad or they’re mad that’s how you’re not a baby cannot talk to you but through crying and cooing and other forms of different types of verbal cues. You know what’s going on with that baby it’s no different than with Animals
HOW CAN ANYONE THINK THAT ANIMALS ARE LESSER THAN US THEY ARE FAR SUPPERIOR THAN US YOU NAME IT THEY ARE BETTER THE ONLY THING WE ARE BETTER IS OUR BRAIN
I just watched baby chicks getting shredded lol
Its quite something
Virtue signalling is the popular modern habit of indicating that one has virtue merely by expressing disgust or favour for certain political ideas or cultural happenings.
And who is doing that in this video?
@@iashezza Joey the soy boy
@@jurajslafkovsky3956 Either you know nothing about Joey or you need to look up the meaning of the phrase again.
@@iashezza he’s the definition of it
Your too dumb to understand anyway you pathetic dweeb you reject of society
I was a massive steak eater for 50 years. My husband as well for 55 years. Thanks God we saw the light. Our kids are vegan as well. Dang. I need to be more thankful. My gosh, even my dog is vegan. He was sooooo unhealthy when we adopted him. Now he hikes for 2 hours a day. My life is completel.
Yes I’m vegan and will forever, I’m just wondering what do you feed your dog? I’ve always thought ab this like if the world went vegan what would we do with our pets.
thank you for caring and for having the courage and strength to make the change, people like you make so much difference in this greedy and egoistic world.
@@vanessanicole828 ruclips.net/video/hrwG1BHdHIk/видео.html
@@vanessanicole828 if the world eventually went vegan, and by that I mean everyone was morally aligned with the ideology of veganism, we would just stop breeding animals as pets, if i was to guess. The commodification and exploitation of animals and their reproductive systems for unnecessary reasons would no longer be deemed morally acceptable... I don't see why that also wouldn't apply to animals we use for pet breeding, without consent.
Most people buy pets for very selfish reasons. Because the motivation for pet ownership is primarily about what is best for the owner, and not the pet, this will inevitably lead to millions of animals to a life of neglect, abuse, homelessness and suffering. As it has done in the past, and will continue to do, until we stop viewing non human animals as objects that we can do whatever we like with
@@bradfielke5998 thank you
The problem starts with our education. Why are we not taught about the harmful effects of meat on our health and environment? Why we not taught about animal cruelty and compassion?
An educated population is dangerous to the burgeouis class and the capitalist system they want to uphold. The state is a tool of the burgeouis, hence the minimal education.
$$$$
Don't know really but your comment made me remember when I first decided to stop eating meat aged 10.
The Teachers @ School were the most difficult problem. At School lunchtime a Teacher would walk behind me & stick her knee in my back to try & force me to eat.
This was a long time ago ; 40 years.
But, this anecdotal example shows the negative power that Culture & Tradition can have on emotions & the resultant behaviour.
It has got easier from all those years ago & your kids aren't going to be assaulted at school for choosing.
Tradition can be changed & we are changing it to a more Ethical Tradition.
Great outreach and discussion. The guy seemed definitely seemed very interested and open minded (to the point of attacking his own default point of view). That's always so refreshing
it would be refreshing for vegans to question their beliefs too but they're too religious and emotional that they'd never listen to anything meat eaters say and agree with them because it's so bad for them to see the world in that we may need to kill animals to be healthy - it's not a world they'd believe therefore a balanced conversation isn't possible due ot selfishness from vegans!
This guys great. 100% potential vegan. Future speaker for the animals at our events
I haven’t finished watching but feel compelled to comment on this guy’s ability to reflect and investigate his own thoughts and actions. What a breath of fresh air.
One of my favorite vegan clips ever. Hands down.
Gotta appreciate how open and respectful he is.
Seems like he's already started researching veganism and what it means. Hopefully he makes the change. I really enjoyed this conversation.
HAHA he should research vegans more heavily then he will realize their illogical ways
@@MrJavacash please elaborate.
How refreshing and encouraging seeing someone wanting to have a respectful conversation, this is how we create a better world 🙏
Amazing conversation 👏 I wish I could find more open minded people like this in Pennsylvania…
Hello from Harrisburg.
@@pawlet yo yo. Probably not much better out there. I’m closer to Philly
He's not open minded he's just vulnerable to emotions and misinformation which vegans are always propogating!!
JOEY. You are seriously gaining traction in your activism. My goodness. You have become a wonderful speaker. Dang. Thank you soooooo much for what you do.
he's a wonderful brain washer full of selfishness, a common thing in vegans
Agree!
Excellent discussion, wonderful to hear and see an open minded person.
I hope he gives more thought to the suffering he is causing every time he purchases animal products to eat and wear.
I wish there were more open minded compassionate people here in West Michigan !
Really interesting debate here, well done Joey!
Interesting conversation. He seems like a really intelligent guy, bless him 💚🌱
I appreciate that. May God Bless you aswell💚🌱
I think this guy will eventually see that the vegan path is one of freedom in itself…the lies we have all been fed (no pun intended) about where meat and dairy and other animal products have come from is its own form of imprisonment.
with the way the internet is its nice to finally watch someone sane
This is really an honest guy that listened, however, he needs more empathy to go vegan.
This is actually a really good conversation. Vegan and awareness will grow eventually. Slowly but surely.
by awarness you mean brainwashing ok
Before face nappy laws, I would have found this funny.
However buying beef on the black market is not outside my realm of possibility anymore, lettuce as well.
I like that he had questions and kinda talked himself into things, good work active listening!
Big outreach event coming up this weekend. Doing so much chalking lately having a few conversations while doing so.
Human arrogance makes people blind to what happens on their path.
Maybe the best discussion on veganism I've ever watched. Joey, you did an amazing job! 👍👍 He was really interested in learning something and also very smart. So you had a much more intellectual debate with him than with most other meat eaters who just try to defend their habits. And I recognized how this put your outreach on a completely new level. When you don't have to deal with this 'plants have feelings' bs, it's very refreshing. Keep up the amazing work, Joey! You're are a legend.
He's just brainwashing and emotionally manipulating people. Once these people do unbiased research on health they'd realize these vegan diets are killing the brain and it's justified to kill animals. But you don't want to live in that world and you're emotional about it so why'd I trust any other information you'd say?
@@MrJavacash 🥱🥱🥱 Can you say something new which hasn't been debunked a hundred times? If a vegan diet would be 'killing the brain', a lot of vegan people should be brain dead by now. That's complete nonsense. Especially because there isn't just ONE VEGAN DIET. You can only eat vegan burgers and fries. Of course that wouldn't be healthy. But a whole foods plant based diet is one of the healthiest diets you can have. And Joey also isn't 'emotionally manipulating people'. To make people think rationally has nothing to do with manipulating.
ANGELS YOUR WAY, JOEY!
STAY BLESSED VEGAN BRO! 🌿🌾✔️
Well done Joey, what a great conversation. Thank you.
What a pleasant conversation. It's so nice to see someone coming in it with an open mind and being mature enough to admit when they're caught in a hypocritical position.
If you're reading this, Joseph, hope you're doing well and gone vegan.
I’m doing amazingly thanks mate. Fully vegan now, and that’s all thanks to joey carb strong
@@josephhumm2114 my bro!
@@josephhumm2114 Congrats, dude! Really nice to hear that! Joey also helped me to go vegan 3 years ago, such a legend ✌️
"The more vulnerable the victim, the greater the crime." 15:40 Wow. What a gem, Joey. Love you. Thank you for what you do. And I hope someday to be able to offer some $$$ support.
excellent as ever Joey, he is a cool open-miinded guy, he'll see the light
You’re at your peak now Joey! You’re killing it! 💚✊
It’s not HOW we use and kill them, it’s that we use and kill them at all.
I wish everyone thought like this guy. When a person is willing to have a conversation and be honest, what a relief!
Great Video, he was very interested and seemed to be open towards change afterwards. I can really see him go vegan after a few more weeks of contemplating his actions and morals.
On another note, I went into my local supermarket and they had removed the vegan/vegetarian section from the usual fridge. Turns out they doubled the size of the section in another isle and added a whole lot of products to choose from!
The future is coming and it will be the end to the slaughter age.
“Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O Lord.” -Psalms 36:6
. “And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” -Genesis 1:30
2. “But Daniel resolved that he would not defile himself with the royal rations of food and wine … Then Daniel asked … ‘Let us be given vegetables to eat and water to drink.’ … At the end of ten days it was observed that they appeared better and fatter than all the young men who had been eating the royal rations.” -Daniel 1:8, 11-12, 15
3. “The wolf and the lamb shall feed together; the lion shall eat straw like an ox; but the serpent-its food shall be dust! They shall not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain.” -Isaiah 65:25
Isaiah 66:3 ESV
“He who slaughters an ox is like one who kills a man; he who sacrifices a lamb, like one who breaks a dog's neck; he who presents a grain offering, like one who offers pig's blood; he who makes a memorial offering of frankincense, like one who blesses an idol. These have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations
Isaiah 11:6-9 ESV
The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.
Romans 14:21 ESV
It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble
Leviticus 19:26 ESV
“You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.
Proverbs 23:20-21 ESV
Be not among drunkards or among gluttonous eaters of meat, for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags
Acts 15:29 ESV
That you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Deuteronomy 14:21 ESV
“You shall not eat anything that has died naturally. You may give it to the sojourner who is within your towns, that he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner. For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. “You shall not boil a young goat in its mother's milk
Leviticus 7:23-24 ESV
“Speak to the people of Israel, saying, You shall eat no fat, of ox or sheep or goat. The fat of an animal that dies of itself and the fat of one that is torn by beasts may be put to any other use, but on no account shall you eat it.
1 Corinthians 10:28 ESV
But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience-
Leviticus 11:7-8 ESV
And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.
Isaiah 65:2-4 ESV
I spread out my hands all the day to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, following their own devices; a people who provoke me to my face continually, sacrificing in gardens and making offerings on bricks; who sit in tombs, and spend the night in secret places; who eat pig's flesh, and broth of tainted meat is in their vessels;
Genesis 9:4. But flesh with the blood thereof shall ye not eat
Well joey i think if you met me you would be surprised im now 100% grossed out by any meat, been on the fence for a while but im done, abit of a dilemma at home but im working on it. :)
Hope this guy makes the change. He didn’t feel that he had to defend his actions. Def genuine
I think he was just an argumentative type and thought he could win a debate, I bet he'd be the same on any topic under the sun.
@@garibaldi54 How have you concluded he was "just an argumentative type"?
He conceded many points and admitted at the very start that he wasn't well versed in veganism and that he was willing to learn something new. He straight up acknowledged every contradiction Joey showed him and eventually his only justification was "I like eating meat" That is about as honest as I've ever seen anyone be.
@@betadecay6503 Why else would anyone agree to a recorded debate if you aren't well versed on the topic?
@@garibaldi54 It's possible for other people to have an outlook different from your own. As Beta Decay said, the guy clearly said he was there to learn. It's healthy to challenge your beliefs and not only engage in discussions which you believe you can "win".
@@garibaldi54 To learn and grow... obviously. Did you really need that explaining to you? He stated it in the first 20 seconds ffs
Excellent vid Joey, I Feel that Joseph is close to the realisation that you explained so well. every life is of the upmost importance to the individual that's living it .... great Job mate
why do people need talked into not hurting other animals? it’s so simple.
Ok source your food strictly veganic farms, don't hurt the animals killed in crop deaths it should be simple for me to convince you of this but most vegans come up with excuses of basically inconvenience
@@x-latetv-x6816 What is a veganic farm?
@@garibaldi54 a farm that doesn't cause wild animals to die through pesticides, herbicides etc ask chase avior about it
@@x-latetv-x6816 what absolute nonsense.
@@peachesmcgee4795 not an argument, when there is an alternative to the harm you cause then you are morally obligated to seek that alternative as a vegan
Fantastic conversation Joey, It's so refreshing to see someone so open minded and willing to listen and learn more about veganism. I hope he takes the challenge and makes the change. Great work. xx
Well done Joey, I'll always respected you but I can definitely tell you've improved at having these discussions!! and respect to Joseph for the great discussion :)
So often in these debates men wonder whether they could actually kill a cow or pig or chicken themselves instead of paying someone to do it for them. That seems so ridiculous to me.
If I had to kill a cow to survive I know I can do it. Won't enjoy doing it, but it won't be a big problem either. But if my only reason to kill the cow is to eat some meat, when I can just as easily choose to eat some plants, I'd simply choose not to. That's not weakness. It's the strength of aligning my actions with my will.
It's nice to see that this young man was questioning without yelling or getting upset as far as to understand why but my question is once you see and hear all what Joey says why wouldn't anybody change their mind and become vegan. Just the thought of what you see and how they kill animals is never Humane no matter what you do. If someone tried to kill me as a human being there's no humane way you can do it so why wouldn't that fall to the animals as well. They have Flesh and Blood just like we do and they have Minds that think like we do they want to survive they don't want to die. Sometimes I think that animals are more compassionate than human beings.
Oh definitely. Humans are vile
Excellent discussion. I was hopeful that he would change his behaviour right after this discussion, but I think it may take him longer. I think he will get there eventually though.
Here form Canada too. London Ontario. You?
@@shannaveganamcinnis-hurd405 Between Cambridge and Hamilton. 👋
I don’t know how you te able to speak about this stuff without bursting into tears. You’re so calm and rational.
This is why their should be laws showing of Slaughterhouse images on all animal products. it will help people to make the connection, just like cigarette packages do in some countries.
Really really good conversation!
This guy is practically debating himself lol
Great conversation and an intelligent guy.
If this guy doesn’t go vegan there is no sense in this world.
@@rondarkman. he needs
Well done Joey! I hope he makes the change for the animals 🙏👍♥️♥️♥️
Lol
it’s merely logical to express a degree of compassion. “They are sentient beings obviously.” “Who are we to determine…. For our pleasure”
My Man!💖 🌱 ✊🏾
Everyone has a "veganism bucket", and when that bucket is filled to the top that person can then make the changes needed to become vegan. Every time they come across people who are doing vegan outreach or other people who are spreading the reasons to be vegan, that bucket gets more and more poured into it. You never know how full that bucket is for someone you're talking to. They could have an almost empty bucket, or a bucket that's nearly full. What you pour into it could be the tipping point they need for their bucket to be full and for them to finally have what they need to become vegan, or they could have a long way to go still. But either way, when you're doing vegan outreach or just talking to family and friends about being vegan, or even just posting a vegan meme, you're pouring into the buckets of everyone who sees it and hears it. It's up to each one of us to do what we can to fill up those buckets! Thank you to everyone who does their part to help others to become vegan by pouring into those buckets!
Inspiring metaphor.
Thanks for putting this into words!
That was nicely put!
As a Christian woman myself I can say with full confidence that God created the world vegan (Genesis 1:29), and even though the world has fallen, God clearly declares that he wants this fallen world to become the way He created it (Isaiah 11:6-9) which if you read either passage, was without harm and humans eating a vegan diet 😊
why does god let innocent people and animals be harmed?
@@julian.castro18 because he doesn't exist to stop it🤦
wonderful question my friend, I encourage you to confront him about it
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@@Sudusukkuladi what's his ig?
@@julian.castro18 Free will.
God wants all to be saved.
If he wants all to be saved, then God is complete in control and we don't have freedom.
Thank you for speaking up for animals.
@@VeganSemihCyprus33 wut
He going vegan 💯
Also shouts to the busker. 🔥
Open minded guy there. Think he might go vegan soon. Good on him if he does. Well done joey.
@21:35 This moment reminded me of a quote I want to share. Something like:
My or your rights end where another’s rights begins.
Shared 🌱💪🏼💚
Well done, and I wish more people be open to be wrong like this guy. We all had to go through this, and look back and admit we were wrong and without any logic we were cruel to animals. I don't blame people who don't know! But once you know the animal cruelty involved, when you learn about speciesism, you have to act accordingly!
God is vegan in the beginning nothing ate lion grass bull grass always God's imagine your a hindu 🕉 lion young bull face like a man and eagl worthy of worship Ezekiel Gen21.19 dutt4.15 mathew12.42 Revalation4.7 worthy vegan in the beginning and end lions eat grass
Awesome work as always Joey. Seems like an intelligent, articulate young guy. Surely a vegan very shortly.
You amaze me Joey much strength you have. Thank you for speaking up for the voiceless.
Watching it again and the analogy at 27:45 is beautiful 😍
This is one of the best debates I've seen!
Epic job. Going vegan is the right choice.
What about vegetarian or flexetarian?
@@antibigotpolice Vegan if possible.
Why support animal cruelty with vegetarianism or flexitarianism?
@@antibigotpolice reducing your consumption is a great start, but must not be the final goal, since animals will still be abused and harmed if you are vegetarian or flexitarian. Abusing five chickens is better than abusing ten chickens, just like abusing five dogs is better than abusing ten dogs, but not abusing anyone is the best scenario.
@@Matheus-si8vq I don't care
@Frøzenfyre if you believe someone should have the freedom to choose, the conclusion is that you should respect the choice of animals because they want to live.
They don't walk willfully to the slaughterhouse. Their choice is removed from them.
Also, I don't actually think you believe we should respect every choice people make. For example, I think you would never say that abusing an elderly person is acceptable because it is my choice.
"God put these animals here" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro said nuggies 😂
Future vegan in the making!!
nice
Lol that girl in the background was getting all kinds of pics with that dog statue 😂
One of the best conversations I have ever seen on this channel, well done!
Proud of you Joey. Thank you so much! ❤️
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You hit the important points over and over again Joey! So many truth 💣💥
You starting to get on the master level of Earthling Ed with the debates! It was like a game of chess :)
Keep it up!
@@martingarreis Of course he is a grandmaster and he has hes own style. But im sure he knows what i mean. This one was on another level, you can see how it switched up a notch. I would be glad if i could do it like this for sure :)
Great work Joey, thank you 💪🏼🌱
This is a beautiful demonstration of intellectual honesty leading to an inescapable conclusion.
Great one, I think he will be going vegan some day
I really enjoyed this conversation also. I like how Joseph was able to reflect and really think about his thoughts. I also like how he was able to think about what is happening to the animals on factory farms. I like how Joseph said he prefers the Mcplant burger over a cowburger which is good. There is no cruelty and violence in plant burgers. Plant based burgers are good for you also and are healthy. Your activism is very effective Joey because you really got Joseph to think about the horrible ways animals are slaughtered and how they are tortured in factory farms. It is very refreshing to hear that Joseph didn't bring up the plants feel pain bullcrap. I like this guy Joseph he is very nice and smart. He knows that animal products are not ethically sourced which is good. I hope that someday Joseph makes the change and goes vegan. You are awesome in this video as always. Joseph was really understanding and open minded with everything you were saying to him Joey. That's the thing with factory farms also is that they will try to market their lies and propaganda in any way they can to you. You can't believe their lies because it is all bullcrap. Like how factory farms say that they do free range egg farming that is a complete lie because those chickens never get to go outside and roam around ever. They are crammed in these tight cages which is sickening. Great job as always Joey. I agree also that Joey is a true legend. Keep up the great work man. And ya animals are someone not something.
Joey, what are you doing, and the background music.. touched me and made me cry. You are a real angel, walking on earth. You have my best wishes, i stand behind you!!!
Dedicated Joey Carbstrong and Tarion Partridge and their team are exceptional at stopping people creating all the excuses to not be an animal abuser and pay for the abuse of innocent sentient beings. Typical libertarian human supremacist you respect me I respect you and then I respect needlessly taking the lives of innocent sentient beings because I love as he quoted at the end "Chicky nuggets" what an arrogant self entitled person to deny and exploit vulnerable beings just because...
Great job Joey. Amazing!