Can’t thank you enough for making these vids. It’s like as an advanced emo guitarist you still help me with the exact style I’m always building. Kind of like martial arts! Your channel is a class for the upper belts of emo (:
2:02 that's actually what i love using alt tunings for. there's nothing wrong with standard tuning, it's great, it's practical, but i love the feeling of not quite knowing where i am on the neck and having no choice but to trust my hands and my ears to lead me, rather than any prior knowledge like i can get away with in standard
Not trying to be disparaging or negative here. But this is a pretty paint by numbers approach to writing. I appreciate skill and technique, but when everyone's starting to sound the same in this genre, it's when it stops working for me. I loved TTNG and Covet, bands like that, but i can't tell them apart now, especially instrumental bands. Can't replace heart and soul. Technical is really showing its face more and more in music, and for me, it's moving away from what's important. I like feeling like I'm getting to know the player in the music. Now it's like: Okay. We all know you practiced a lot.
I kid you not, I literally got here from the Andrew Huang FACGCE video because it sparked my creativity and I HOWLED when you referenced that same video 😂😂
Wow, I appreciate that you include writing in the tuning and what that's like, show the process of coming up with licks and diddlies, then put it together. Respect!! Not many youtubers actually create on the fly with what theyre teaching and it's inspiring! Cant stand the twinkly major seventh sort of pop punk interlude vibe it evokes, but it inspires me to try and mine more from it (i know this is the default sound of the tuning- thanks for showing us the C stuff!!) You've inspired me to tune here and play. Subscribed:)
Hey Steve, I've been listening to a band called Vs. Self a lot recently and I was wondering if you could talk about their song "Yesterday By The Beatles Or Imagine By Yoko Ono As Sung By John Lennon"? It features many odd time signatures and time signature changes. This song uses a tuning I've never heard before which is BDBF#GD. I would like to hear you break it down or just talk about it
One feature that I find helpful in playing in this (and other) tunings of this form is that basically the bottom three strings form an (open) F chord and the top three strings form (open) C chord -in this case the I and V of F Maj. That is, it’s easy to switch between two separate open (maybe drone-ish) bases in two different keys.
Thanks im practicing a lot of alternate tuning like the open of D or DADGAD or DADFAD stuff the open chord are realy usefull for bottleneck slide play so it help me a lot for using guitare at is full potential.
Hello. Thanks for the question. I'm working on a FACGCE fundamentals workshop. For now, I have a math rock/midwest emo fundamentals eBook that'll help: letstalkaboutmathrock.store/pages/copy-of-math-rock-essentials-ebook
I love this video. Lately I’ve been experimenting with this tuning and DAEAC#E by a throwing shit and seeing what stuck method. I’d love to see DAEAC#E explained just like this.
I bought it on an online site here in South Korea, so if you aren't here then I suggest looking for a two-tier wooden slat style stand. It wasn't expensive and you should be able to find something similar!
Darn you Steve lol - totally know very little math rock music and at 58 I should be happily noodling along to boomer blues, but you have to introduce me to some amazing new tunings that have sparked my song writing imagination. I guess there's room for some old guys in math rock lol. Great video thanks mate 👍👍
I second that motion, at 60! Used other Page's tunings off and on but this takes my challenges to a whole new other level! Thank you ever so kindly, lad! 🤘🐻
This is maybe one of the most helpful videos of yours that I've seen Steve! I'm going to spend some time working through that chart. Did you sand down your headstock on your yy20? Looks really nice.
Thanks! Super glad to know you found it useful. And yes, I originally just wanted to do the back but I messed that up so I took all the finish off which unfortunately removed the decal on the front too 😭
Idk why, but my eye kept getting drawn to the no logo headstock. Anyways, this was very informational for this tuning, which I been wondering how you do these kind of alternate tunings and not get lost. Thanks.
What I think you missed to underline, is that since that F chord base functions as the IV chord of a C Major (ionian) scale, that means we're actually playing a *_F Lydian mode,_*_ which is the brightest of them all ! ✨_
I have a dumb question but if I have a 7 string and would like to try this tuning, what would it be best to tune the lowest string to? Thank you for all of your videos and musical ideas, love this channel so much.
@@umbra_ydnFACGE is both in Fmaj and Cmaj scales. As the man in the vid says FACGE is used often with Cmaj so the low C would basically just put it into the key completely as the root.
When I think of math rock, I think of June of 44, Polvo, Drive Like Jehu, etc. I don’t recognize the guitar styles here as being anywhere near that sound?
I use this tuning sometimee, but a whole step down. I use it more for riffing chords and some open chords. I even find myself playing variations of the I-IV-V-vi progression, but it sounds more intricate, a little difference.
David Wilcox opening my eyes to various tunings that make for some unlimited inspiration. From the 1980’s he almost exclusively played altered it open tunings to great effect. He knows music but really followed his ear. Good lesson.
I started using the open G tuning, jamming some Stones and Zeppelin. Then of course went back in time and found where they got it from. But this tuning sounds so great, ethereal.
This is why I want to take music theory so I can learn so much about this guitar, but sadly the instructor that I have is a bit of a wanker and I’m pretty much at a loss here
Like, how to shift your mindset compared to standard or how to tune to it from standard? Because for how to tune: E -> F (up one semitone/half step) A -> A (the same) D -> C (down two semitones/a whole step) G -> G (the same) B -> C (up one semitone/half step) E -> E (the same)
Thank you !! This was insaaanely helpful to me !! I didnt want to deviate from standard tuning bc i didnt want to " relearn " guitar Your vids are the best, man keep it up !!
Want to learn FACGCE? Go here: lets-talk-about-math-rock.thinkific.com/courses/facgce-super-system
the first part of this vid is so accurate, I tuned to FACGCE and was immediately like "hang on a sec... I don't know what the hell I'm doing here..."
as someone who wasn’t familiar with guitar in the first place, but a piano player, facgce is so much more intuitive to me
I don't belong here... Creep by Radiohead lol
he genuinely looks like that math rock guy from high school
Can’t thank you enough for making these vids. It’s like as an advanced emo guitarist you still help me with the exact style I’m always building. Kind of like martial arts! Your channel is a class for the upper belts of emo (:
Thank you so much for your kind words! 💪
Fret not he said, lol
2:02 that's actually what i love using alt tunings for. there's nothing wrong with standard tuning, it's great, it's practical, but i love the feeling of not quite knowing where i am on the neck and having no choice but to trust my hands and my ears to lead me, rather than any prior knowledge like i can get away with in standard
and it also pushes you to do things you wouldn't normally do
Not trying to be disparaging or negative here. But this is a pretty paint by numbers approach to writing. I appreciate skill and technique, but when everyone's starting to sound the same in this genre, it's when it stops working for me.
I loved TTNG and Covet, bands like that, but i can't tell them apart now, especially instrumental bands.
Can't replace heart and soul. Technical is really showing its face more and more in music, and for me, it's moving away from what's important. I like feeling like I'm getting to know the player in the music. Now it's like: Okay. We all know you practiced a lot.
Yes.
I kid you not, I literally got here from the Andrew Huang FACGCE video because it sparked my creativity and I HOWLED when you referenced that same video 😂😂
haha! amazing
Wow, I appreciate that you include writing in the tuning and what that's like, show the process of coming up with licks and diddlies, then put it together. Respect!! Not many youtubers actually create on the fly with what theyre teaching and it's inspiring! Cant stand the twinkly major seventh sort of pop punk interlude vibe it evokes, but it inspires me to try and mine more from it (i know this is the default sound of the tuning- thanks for showing us the C stuff!!) You've inspired me to tune here and play. Subscribed:)
Twiddly widdly ideas. …..😊Yeah man
Hey Steve, I've been listening to a band called Vs. Self a lot recently and I was wondering if you could talk about their song "Yesterday By The Beatles Or Imagine By Yoko Ono As Sung By John Lennon"? It features many odd time signatures and time signature changes. This song uses a tuning I've never heard before which is BDBF#GD. I would like to hear you break it down or just talk about it
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check that out!
One feature that I find helpful in playing in this (and other) tunings of this form is that basically the bottom three strings form an (open) F chord and the top three strings form (open) C chord -in this case the I and V of F Maj.
That is, it’s easy to switch between two separate open (maybe drone-ish) bases in two different keys.
It would be awesome to get a really long video of a bunch of different chord shapes and progressions for this tuning.
Trevor Wong has a video full of exactly that!
Great video steve! Would love a similar one in CGDGBD
CGDGAD is better
Really like this format would like to see how much more you can do with this style of video
Appreciate it! These kind of videos take a lot of work ngl, but they seem to help the most so I'll be making many more! Thank you
@@LetsTalkAboutMathRock I can tell! Thanks for taking the time mate🖤
hehehe.. fret not. that's a good one.
Getting my first guitar in 3 weeks ,American football I'd my Inspiration definitely putting this in my save later
Your videos are very helpful for my songwriteing thanks a bunch steve
Thanks im practicing a lot of alternate tuning like the open of D or DADGAD or DADFAD stuff the open chord are realy usefull for bottleneck slide play so it help me a lot for using guitare at is full potential.
I appreciate all the love you put into your videos❤
You are so welcome
Do you offer material especially to this tuning? I love your stuff and wanna get in to mid west emo but don’t know where to start.
Hello. Thanks for the question. I'm working on a FACGCE fundamentals workshop. For now, I have a math rock/midwest emo fundamentals eBook that'll help: letstalkaboutmathrock.store/pages/copy-of-math-rock-essentials-ebook
@@LetsTalkAboutMathRock thank you ❤️
I really like how you share these ideas and approaches, thank you
You're welcome! Thanks for the comment 👍
OMG!!! I just tuned a jaguar to this and instantly fell in love. thank you!!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing
Hahahahah thanks a lot for the video I've been playing in C#MAj9 and EMaj9 for years. Thanks for the video currently my guitar is in Dmaj9
I love this video. Lately I’ve been experimenting with this tuning and DAEAC#E by a throwing shit and seeing what stuck method. I’d love to see DAEAC#E explained just like this.
me too
0:10 have I ever? Why yes, that is exactly me 😁
What kind of guitar you are playing? It looks awesome.
Ibanez YY20 (Yvette Young Signature)
@@LetsTalkAboutMathRock thank you. That thing looks awesome
Great vid. Have you done one on DAEF#C#E?
Nope! but seems like these videos are helping a ton of people so I'll probably work my way through the different tunings
Hey Steve what's that table/stand that your amp sits on? I've been looking for something like that for my vox
I bought it on an online site here in South Korea, so if you aren't here then I suggest looking for a two-tier wooden slat style stand. It wasn't expensive and you should be able to find something similar!
Periphery uses D Gb A E A Db for the song 'Wax Wings'
Thank you for making this ❤ The Colossal reference took me back in time. I played many shows with them. Great guys.
Darn you Steve lol - totally know very little math rock music and at 58 I should be happily noodling along to boomer blues, but you have to introduce me to some amazing new tunings that have sparked my song writing imagination. I guess there's room for some old guys in math rock lol. Great video thanks mate 👍👍
hello! thanks for the comment. Always happy to hear that I've helped in some way 😊 always welcome 👍
I second that motion, at 60! Used other Page's tunings off and on but this takes my challenges to a whole new other level! Thank you ever so kindly, lad! 🤘🐻
Since you’re playing a C major scale on top of an F major 9 arpeggio, wouldn’t Lydian work just as well?
For sure!
Are the strings a standard set or made from single bought strings. Regards Gerald.
Placebo uses this tuning on some song of which the name has now eluded me.
this is awesome! would love to see this in DAEAC#E!
For sure! Would probably be the next one I did
thank you, i really needed this lol also i love the editing style 🙏🙏
Thank you so much! Spent those extra hours on the edit so over the moon to see a comment like this 😂 thank you!
@@LetsTalkAboutMathRockAhaha, youre welcome , keep it up!
I usually play in low tunings, playing in this tunings is confusing 😂 exactly like you said it was like learning all over again
what is the brand name of orange glitter guitar?
Ibanez YY20 👍
@@LetsTalkAboutMathRock Thanks!
2:03 "Fret not" he says... So how do we play anything at all, then?
This is maybe one of the most helpful videos of yours that I've seen Steve! I'm going to spend some time working through that chart. Did you sand down your headstock on your yy20? Looks really nice.
Thanks! Super glad to know you found it useful. And yes, I originally just wanted to do the back but I messed that up so I took all the finish off which unfortunately removed the decal on the front too 😭
Idk why, but my eye kept getting drawn to the no logo headstock.
Anyways, this was very informational for this tuning, which I been wondering how you do these kind of alternate tunings and not get lost. Thanks.
I am also so stunned in how he can just change the tunings and he can use it straight away to make music. Is this what math rock is all about?
Steve can You share the those hot probs tabs with us ?
It's on the patreon post. Link in the description 👍 thanks
Hi, do you mind if I ask what guitar you are using in this video? Happy New Year from Melbourne, Australia
Happy new year! It's the Yvette Young YY20 signature talman
Great, thank you, might have a look for one here, great look & tone
What I think you missed to underline,
is that since that F chord base functions as the IV chord of a C Major (ionian) scale, that means we're actually playing a *_F Lydian mode,_*_ which is the brightest of them all ! ✨_
I have a dumb question but if I have a 7 string and would like to try this tuning, what would it be best to tune the lowest string to? Thank you for all of your videos and musical ideas, love this channel so much.
I'd try low C but idk
@@ekuude Thank you, I’ll give it a go. I saw another person on RUclips with that tuning and it sounded cool.
@@ekuude Also if it isn't too much to ask - could you explain or point me to some reading/watching that explains ~why~ C would be a good choice?
just continue the pattern
@@umbra_ydnFACGE is both in Fmaj and Cmaj scales. As the man in the vid says FACGE is used often with Cmaj so the low C would basically just put it into the key completely as the root.
When I think of math rock, I think of June of 44, Polvo, Drive Like Jehu, etc. I don’t recognize the guitar styles here as being anywhere near that sound?
Thx amigo ❤.
Душнииииилллллааааааа!!!😴😴😴
What would be the equivalent 5-6 string bass tunings? Chance the B string? Or leave it and just follow the two changes?
I use this tuning sometimee, but a whole step down. I use it more for riffing chords and some open chords. I even find myself playing variations of the I-IV-V-vi progression, but it sounds more intricate, a little difference.
Thank you for sharing
I really must be getting old. The riffs just doesn't inspire me to try it
David Wilcox opening my eyes to various tunings that make for some unlimited inspiration. From the 1980’s he almost exclusively played altered it open tunings to great effect. He knows music but really followed his ear. Good lesson.
This reminds me of The Sundays - did David Gavurin have his guitar tuned to FACGCE?
Steve- I have to know have you ever listened to Giraffes? giraffes! And what are your thoughts on them?
Big fan off SUPERBASS, but haven't really given the other records a good listen.
@@LetsTalkAboutMathRock I’d say give the album “pink magick” a try. It’s got a lot of bops on it.
I started using the open G tuning, jamming some Stones and Zeppelin. Then of course went back in time and found where they got it from. But this tuning sounds so great, ethereal.
有没有大神翻译搬运一下，我必须一波三连
can you make an updated equipment video for guitar players?
Sure thing!
Nice video mate
I wonder how Shoegaze would sound in this tuning
Another phenomenal video Steve, much appreciated
Thank you!
Great Stuff as always Stefan! :D
Cheers!
4:50 thanks for explaining what that is.
I write crushing metal riffs in this tuning.
Great video. Very inspiring.
Cheers! Glad to know you found it useful!
Fck yes
Amazing video thank you! The chart with the notes that work in FACGCE would they work with capos as well?
For sure! Would just be a different key but notes would be the same 👍
@@LetsTalkAboutMathRock Thank you Steve, been a fan for years keep it up!
E Ab B Gb B Eb
D Gb A E A Db
Db F Ab Eb Ab C
C E G D G B
So beatiful tune
Steve is turning into a little comedian with these videos😂
Haha a poor one at that 😂
I NEEDED THIS RN
This channel feels so niche and hyperspecifc but it makes me happy knowing many other people are looking for exactly the same thing
This is why I want to take music theory so I can learn so much about this guitar, but sadly the instructor that I have is a bit of a wanker and I’m pretty much at a loss here
Sounds like a backing track for an autumn aesthetic. Not really punk enough to be honest 😂
wait a minute did you say math rock?? oh god oh no... im surrounded by (dramatic pause) THE NERDS NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
interesting, your channel is called "talk about math rock" but you're playing third wave emo music.
If you don't know what the word "twidly" means you won't understand this video. And I don't know whst the word twidly means.
Saves playing that fingerbreaker in standard lol
Music isn't easy. People trying to make it easy are making it bad. Shame on you for appealing to laziness.
Oh hush down kid
Thank you so much for this video. Now I know that's definitely not for me 😅
My string broke
Unison Mini Chord pack for people too lazy or stupid to learn how to play an instrument.
Hi. The one thing I missed in this video is how to approach the tuning from standard tuning.
Like, how to shift your mindset compared to standard or how to tune to it from standard?
Because for how to tune:
E -> F (up one semitone/half step)
A -> A (the same)
D -> C (down two semitones/a whole step)
G -> G (the same)
B -> C (up one semitone/half step)
E -> E (the same)
Don't make more videos mate, make audios! You are good at talking
I'm probably r3tarded but how is this tuning possible without breaking the strings?
Thank you !! This was insaaanely helpful to me !!
I didnt want to deviate from standard tuning bc i didnt want to " relearn " guitar
Your vids are the best, man
keep it up !!
You're very welcome!
EACGCE seems way more practical. I tune to AEADGC