OUCH! For what it's worth the "failure" made the shop work seem that much more relatable, at least to me (and my experience lol?) I've never made skis, what a fascinating process. Thanks for being confident enough to show the lows too. Not easy to eat that cost/effort ratio, but then again, I built my own house so I know all about failure in process despite my best efforts. Subscribed after this, thanks again.
Bummer 🙁 Thanks for still posting this tho. Its still cool to see the process and what can go wrong from time to time. Best of luck on the next pair ✌️
Huh...so making skis is difficult. I'll be darned lol. Despite this set not working out for ya, it was still a great vid to watch. I had a friend up in Washington that had a ski press and I asked him once why he doesn't make skis anymore. He basically said every pair he ever tried to make ended up being junk. Bubbles, delams, skis that ended up being different shapes do to inconsistent pressing, etc. Makes you realize why skis are so expensive when you see them being made. At least for the boutique style companies.
Thanks! Yeah I can totally relate to your friend... and understand whats behind the cost at the boutique ski fab's. There are just so many parts and so many steps in the process that can go wrong. Dialing in the press is super tricky too, I'm still working on that.. Thanks for the comment!!
Thank you for this video, it is super helpful! Have you tossed them in the bin yet? I’m coming from a watersports composite building background (surf, windsurf, hydrofoil) and really interested in skis as a next challenge. Tbh this is all very new to me so I have little knowledge about the exact materials involved in skis besides wood, epoxy and fibres, but: a surfboard never comes out the vacuum bag completely smooth! We fill any pinholes or bumps with epoxy, sand it flush and repeat the process till we got a perfect result. It can take a lot of time, but it works. I add microbaloons to the epoxy for a lighter filler that spreads out better. Alternatively, automotive polyester filler could work too. I have that laying around in my garage but can’t comment on its strength as I haven’t used it yet.
Thank you for the comment!! Actually I mounted them up and took them for a spin. Super fun pair, frankly it was hard to notice the base. Sharp edges go a long way. Cool, I wish I knew more about watersports composites. I may have to try adding microbaloons next time I'm making a lightweight pair. good advice!
@@redbarrelskis3361 best of luck! Yes I don’t understand why micro balloons are looked over in ski building. It’s not like you’ll gain 200gr, but you can double or triple your amount of epoxy by adding only a couple of grams. I’d recommend to go for a mixture that’s still “runny” so that it still drops of your mixing stick. Thicker than that and wetting it out will get harder. Another cool additive is foaming agent. It fills any voids there might be in the construction so it’s impossible to delam over time. Your vac setup should be able to handle the expanding epoxy. It’s more difficult to work with as you usually only have like 15 minutes before it goes off and starts foaming. Keeping an eye out on your channel, very interesting stuff :)
I had the same failure on a board I pressed a couple of weeks ago, sucks when you put all that time into it (The only power tool I ended up using was a jigsaw, hand planning poplar takes forever). Ended up finishing it and took it out on a few rides, hardly noticed the flaw! The nose might be more noticeably than the tail tho. If anyone wants an 185cm swallowtail snowboard that weighs a billion pounds hit me up! Minimum bodyweight to flex it is probably at least 250lbs lol
I really enjoy your videos, bummer that the skis failed. I have learned a great deal at your expense. May I ask,, what glue do you use for your core lamination and for binding the sidewall to the core and what epoxy do you use? I'm apologizing in advance for all of the future questions I'm going to ask you.
Thanks dude! I use titebond ultimate wood glue for my core layups and some 5 minute (gorilla brand) epoxy for attaching the sidewall. Sorry it took me a couple days to respond, I was skiing (crazy I know). Definitely feel free to shoot me questions!!! Happy to help!
Still very nice job man. i failed several times as well... vacuumm pressure i use but in any case... i would say it's a pressure matter. You are doing a great job. i do a few things different than you do, that are working fine. i could share some knowledge in case you are interested! Thanks for sharing ;)
What up Serchmman! Vacuum pressure huh, with a vacuumm bag system I assume. I've always wanted to give it a try. Yeah I'm always up for learning more. Definitely feel free to give me advice. jd_ritchey@redbarrelskis.com or comments here. Thanks!
Great channel. So, im a Sawyer and just milled some Winged Elm. Im loaded with Ash and well aware of it's use in skis, canoe yokes, bats , ribs and such. However, this Winged Elm seems to have Ash characteristics on steroids. Incredibly springy, rigid, faster than ash, more durable yet a bit less moisture resistant. Used in old time wagon hubs for durability and hockey sticks which makes perfect sense. Have you used it, would you like some no charge if my shipping isn't too much? I'd like to see how it performs.
A Sawyer, that's awesome! I've used ash and its a great wood for skis. I have not used Winged Elm. I would love some, but wouldn't feel good about burdening you with shipping. Feel free to email me and maybe we can figure something out.
Hi, awesome build. When I see you using the router on the wood core and sidewalls, is that just you profiling the core or something else? Also, what material are you attaching to the nose?
Yup that just me profiling the cores (with sidewall already attached). The material for in the nose is called tip fill. You can find it on crown plastics website, shop section.
Hey from a boat builder, For what its worth, I think it was with your burn, spray paint and tape job, epoxy doesn't like it (At all), or greasy fingers. I think that's the problem, But love your vids and tunes. Chin up, cheers.
I have not... the one snowboard I built I used inserts. Snowboard bindings, for the most part, have a standard mounting hole pattern, so that works out well. Ski binding mounting holes are all over the place, and they depend on boot sole length which can easily change if you bust or upgrade your boots. Feel free to shoot me questions anytime!! Cheers!
Hello, How did you make the CNC ploter? Is this some DIY or you bought ready one? Do you have any plans to share? we were struggling with pressure as well - try to uplift bottom form with 2cm up, and you could add some pieces of base on top metal sheet curves. Greetings from Poland - Nicewood custom boards :-)
Its a hacked X-Carve CNC mill. I made a video about it, search for my SkiNC video :-). Getting even pressure is such a challenge!! Greetings from Colorado USA, thanks!!
This video is incredible I loved it. I think you should try to title the video a bit better because this deserves way more attention ! This kind of title doesn't really appeal people to come if they don't know you. The montage is great, the work is incredible, a shame it failed I will defenitely be waiting for the next one !
Hi John, do you use this kind of router bit for profiling the core: nl.grandado.com/products/8-mm-schacht-reiniging-bottom-frezen-snijden-diameter-voor-oppervlak-schaven-router-bit-trimmen-frees-houten-snijder
Actually I just use a 3/4" (~19mm) 2 flute strait blade bit. It takes a lot of passes. I bet a bit like that would speed the process up. If you give it a try let me know how it goes. This is the one I use (www.amazon.com/Freud-Double-Flute-Straight-04-140/dp/B00004T7BP?ref=dp_atch_dss_sdp_ce_5)
OUCH! For what it's worth the "failure" made the shop work seem that much more relatable, at least to me (and my experience lol?) I've never made skis, what a fascinating process. Thanks for being confident enough to show the lows too. Not easy to eat that cost/effort ratio, but then again, I built my own house so I know all about failure in process despite my best efforts. Subscribed after this, thanks again.
This great. Love the creative design.
I still dig it man! Keep it coming
Bro I like that remix at the beginning thanks for that
Bummer 🙁 Thanks for still posting this tho. Its still cool to see the process and what can go wrong from time to time. Best of luck on the next pair ✌️
Thanks man!
Huh...so making skis is difficult. I'll be darned lol. Despite this set not working out for ya, it was still a great vid to watch. I had a friend up in Washington that had a ski press and I asked him once why he doesn't make skis anymore. He basically said every pair he ever tried to make ended up being junk. Bubbles, delams, skis that ended up being different shapes do to inconsistent pressing, etc. Makes you realize why skis are so expensive when you see them being made. At least for the boutique style companies.
Thanks! Yeah I can totally relate to your friend... and understand whats behind the cost at the boutique ski fab's. There are just so many parts and so many steps in the process that can go wrong. Dialing in the press is super tricky too, I'm still working on that.. Thanks for the comment!!
Such a cool project, I’m loving it. Are you going to mount them up just to see how they ski anyways?
Thanks! Good question, yeah I probably will. I have a pair of bindings collecting dust anyway so why not.
Thank you for this video, it is super helpful! Have you tossed them in the bin yet? I’m coming from a watersports composite building background (surf, windsurf, hydrofoil) and really interested in skis as a next challenge. Tbh this is all very new to me so I have little knowledge about the exact materials involved in skis besides wood, epoxy and fibres, but: a surfboard never comes out the vacuum bag completely smooth! We fill any pinholes or bumps with epoxy, sand it flush and repeat the process till we got a perfect result. It can take a lot of time, but it works. I add microbaloons to the epoxy for a lighter filler that spreads out better. Alternatively, automotive polyester filler could work too. I have that laying around in my garage but can’t comment on its strength as I haven’t used it yet.
Thank you for the comment!! Actually I mounted them up and took them for a spin. Super fun pair, frankly it was hard to notice the base. Sharp edges go a long way. Cool, I wish I knew more about watersports composites. I may have to try adding microbaloons next time I'm making a lightweight pair. good advice!
@@redbarrelskis3361 best of luck! Yes I don’t understand why micro balloons are looked over in ski building. It’s not like you’ll gain 200gr, but you can double or triple your amount of epoxy by adding only a couple of grams. I’d recommend to go for a mixture that’s still “runny” so that it still drops of your mixing stick. Thicker than that and wetting it out will get harder.
Another cool additive is foaming agent. It fills any voids there might be in the construction so it’s impossible to delam over time. Your vac setup should be able to handle the expanding epoxy. It’s more difficult to work with as you usually only have like 15 minutes before it goes off and starts foaming.
Keeping an eye out on your channel, very interesting stuff :)
thats a shame, ifeel the pain, went through that my self with bubbles all over my skis. learning curve i guess. you still did an amazing job
Ahhh crap, yeah, no fun finding out the press didn't go as desired. Good luck on the next pair!!!
I had the same failure on a board I pressed a couple of weeks ago, sucks when you put all that time into it (The only power tool I ended up using was a jigsaw, hand planning poplar takes forever).
Ended up finishing it and took it out on a few rides, hardly noticed the flaw! The nose might be more noticeably than the tail tho.
If anyone wants an 185cm swallowtail snowboard that weighs a billion pounds hit me up! Minimum bodyweight to flex it is probably at least 250lbs lol
Oh man, bummer! I built a pair of skis that would better suit someone at least 250 too! Felt like riding on 2x4's... :-)
enjoyed it regardless, cheers
Thanks!!
I really enjoy your videos, bummer that the skis failed. I have learned a great deal at your expense. May I ask,, what glue do you use for your core lamination and for binding the sidewall to the core and what epoxy do you use? I'm apologizing in advance for all of the future questions I'm going to ask you.
Thanks dude! I use titebond ultimate wood glue for my core layups and some 5 minute (gorilla brand) epoxy for attaching the sidewall. Sorry it took me a couple days to respond, I was skiing (crazy I know). Definitely feel free to shoot me questions!!! Happy to help!
Still very nice job man. i failed several times as well... vacuumm pressure i use but in any case... i would say it's a pressure matter. You are doing a great job. i do a few things different than you do, that are working fine. i could share some knowledge in case you are interested! Thanks for sharing ;)
What up Serchmman! Vacuum pressure huh, with a vacuumm bag system I assume. I've always wanted to give it a try. Yeah I'm always up for learning more. Definitely feel free to give me advice. jd_ritchey@redbarrelskis.com or comments here. Thanks!
Hi mate, nice project and very nice job. What is the type of plastics you use for side walls and for nose and tail please ?
Thanks man! I get all that stuff from Crown Plastics. Its UHMW polyethylene. Cheers!
Great channel. So, im a Sawyer and just milled some Winged Elm. Im loaded with Ash and well aware of it's use in skis, canoe yokes, bats , ribs and such. However, this Winged Elm seems to have Ash characteristics on steroids. Incredibly springy, rigid, faster than ash, more durable yet a bit less moisture resistant. Used in old time wagon hubs for durability and hockey sticks which makes perfect sense. Have you used it, would you like some no charge if my shipping isn't too much? I'd like to see how it performs.
A Sawyer, that's awesome! I've used ash and its a great wood for skis. I have not used Winged Elm. I would love some, but wouldn't feel good about burdening you with shipping. Feel free to email me and maybe we can figure something out.
Base Issue looks like to high temperature on bottom blanket
Hi, awesome build. When I see you using the router on the wood core and sidewalls, is that just you profiling the core or something else? Also, what material are you attaching to the nose?
Yup that just me profiling the cores (with sidewall already attached). The material for in the nose is called tip fill. You can find it on crown plastics website, shop section.
@@redbarrelskis3361 thank you!
Still very nice!
I completely forgot to update you about my project, will send you some pictures of the finished skis soon. ;)
so cool, about how much time and money did this cost?
thanks! its about $200 for materials not including shipping or consumables (saw blades, tape, sanding belts...)
Hey from a boat builder, For what its worth, I think it was with your burn, spray paint and tape job, epoxy doesn't like it (At all), or greasy fingers. I think that's the problem, But love your vids and tunes. Chin up, cheers.
Interesting, good to know. Cheers
One other question, do you ever put insyerys into your skis to mount bindings on?
I have not... the one snowboard I built I used inserts. Snowboard bindings, for the most part, have a standard mounting hole pattern, so that works out well. Ski binding mounting holes are all over the place, and they depend on boot sole length which can easily change if you bust or upgrade your boots. Feel free to shoot me questions anytime!! Cheers!
Hello,
How did you make the CNC ploter? Is this some DIY or you bought ready one? Do you have any plans to share?
we were struggling with pressure as well - try to uplift bottom form with 2cm up, and you could add some pieces of base on top metal sheet curves.
Greetings from Poland - Nicewood custom boards :-)
Its a hacked X-Carve CNC mill. I made a video about it, search for my SkiNC video :-). Getting even pressure is such a challenge!! Greetings from Colorado USA, thanks!!
ruclips.net/video/6jAv2B09Arg/видео.html
I am going to make a pair but don't know what the White stuff you put in the skis were
nice! That stuff is the sidewall, its just HDPE from Crown Plastics. I've used hardwoods before too
@@redbarrelskis3361 ok thank you
This video is incredible I loved it. I think you should try to title the video a bit better because this deserves way more attention ! This kind of title doesn't really appeal people to come if they don't know you. The montage is great, the work is incredible, a shame it failed I will defenitely be waiting for the next one !
Dude! Thanks! These videos take a lot of effort, so glad you liked it :-). Definitely more to come.
what type of glue did you use to glue the sidewalls?
I use a rapid set (5 minute) epoxy
Where do you buy the base and edge material?
Base, sidewall, blank topsheets from crown plastics. Edge from skilab.com.
Hi John, do you use this kind of router bit for profiling the core: nl.grandado.com/products/8-mm-schacht-reiniging-bottom-frezen-snijden-diameter-voor-oppervlak-schaven-router-bit-trimmen-frees-houten-snijder
Actually I just use a 3/4" (~19mm) 2 flute strait blade bit. It takes a lot of passes. I bet a bit like that would speed the process up. If you give it a try let me know how it goes. This is the one I use (www.amazon.com/Freud-Double-Flute-Straight-04-140/dp/B00004T7BP?ref=dp_atch_dss_sdp_ce_5)
what is this background music smh