Fast Winger Vs Slow Winger - Career Simulation | FM24 Experiment
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
- In this Football Manager 2024 Experiment, we follow two wonderkid wingers, one with max pace and one with min pace. Is pace that important?
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The difference in professionalism probably made the difference in their development.
They had the same professionalism
@@jayhuahua but the faster guy's professionalism rose to 15 very early while the other guy became professional sometimes after he joined milan. That might have given him the boost in their formative years, no?
Yeah definitely could have had an impact
Yeah@@jayhuahua do one with the same professionalism
great video though...I like how you showed the attributes through the vid. Liked and subscribed
Looking at the big drop of determination from Sammy between 22 and 25, he probably had a big injury which tanked his development. With five determination you aren't going anywhere. The lack of game time and professional mentoring didn't help his case much either.
U say that, but he did alright. But I agree, Determination is key, as we delve into in an experiment coming to the channrl soon 👍
am i the only one wanting to see the slow guy play in the match engine?
Apparently not haha. i had a full team of fast Vs slow on the last FM, 1 player would have been difficult to spot i think. The speed match engine video was wild though
Sammy Slow is practically a buffed up Ciccio Lodi. Started his carreer as a wiger but quickly turned into a midfielder in front of the defenders XD
I mean a DM/CM/CAM is an ideal position for him with the lack of pace
Acceleration/Pace are absolute musts in lower leagues. A player can have terrible attributes but with very good acceleration/pace, the player can dominate. If FM AI Managers manage Sammy Slow correctly, let him play immediately and have him train Acceleration/Pace. He should be the better of the 2 over the long haul, but that speed/quickness should give Quentin Quick a good hear start, especially if he starts at tier 3 or lower.
Absolutely. I think sammy would be better suited to human managers
@@jayhuahuaAs a human manager we would sell them.
Quentin did play in the final on 13:15 mins. He was subbed off :)
Good spot, missed that. Thanks 👍
Prediction Slow is gonna be a huge liability on defense and is gonna have the ball taken from him nonstop
Quite possibly but as an attacking winger, is defending crucial?
actually found this very interesting, mainly that first polygon comparison
Thanks, the polygons always look wild in these experiments
Really interesting, I'd normally ditch a player if they had no pace, so maybe I shouldn't be so QUICK to do so in the future. BTW Quentin Quick played in the playoff final Leeds lost against Sheff U, he got subbed off 😄
Haha yes Rob, bringing the puns in comments. That's what we love to see. Did he really? I missed that, good spot 👍
there is a problem, you had to set their professionalism and determination to equal level: for example 16 and 16, Sammy Slow has 6 determination in comparison to Quick's 15... so its a sign that Slow will never develop close to his max potential.
Yeah, the professionalism was set the same in the beginning. Did i forget to even out Determination? Ahhh thats my bad, he did well in spite of that though
@@jayhuahua for the best testing I would say set them to 20, that way they'll most likely stay the same.
Centre back with 20 tackling and marking vs 1 in each
I did a little something on FM23 in this ballpark. Although maybe it was a little different. Nice idea though thanks
Sammy Slow’s initial Polygon looks like PacMan.
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Sammy Slow is a 35 year old Paul Scholes from the start of his career and just pulls the strings 😂❤ Quick is more of a goal contribution guy
I mean yeah, although scholesy had more than 1 pace didn't he? 🤣
@@jayhuahua at 35 he didn’t. Could still ping a pass 60 yards to a wingers foot
Wilshere was coaching everton too when they had interest in Sammy Slow, fwiw.
Good spot, i missed that 👍 thanks
I was thinking about an experiment like this, I've seen people always say you only need Pace in lower leagues so I'd like to see a team on 20 Pace and 1 on everything else vs a team of 1 Pace but max stats in everything else and see which team comes out on top
Haha that idea feels like something straight from my ideas sheet 🤣 it's very me. I love it. I think Max attributes for everything else is too OP, I'll work something out though 👍
I'll leave it to you to fine tune the details lol @@jayhuahua
Experiment suggestion: A squad of average Joes with modest PA; how high would they reach if they had 20 decisions?
Ooooh I like it. So when tou say average joes, what CA and PA you thinking here. I think its a great idea though I like it
From the little experience I had in past FMs with smaller nation saves, I felt like we could hold our own if not keep up against teams outside of the top 5 nations with players' CA ranging anywhere from 65-108. In the best cases, their PA would not surpass -7, -75 or -8, so about 100-140 but not higher than that, I guess.
Just started watching the vid and are rooting for Sammy slow as he is born on the same day and year as me 😂
I hope he didn't let u down
I don't even play FM anymore (last played 2020) but love these vids
Still playing my FM20 save. Not buying FMs ... but yeah, love these videos too.
*Hi-five.
Haha 😄 amazing. Appreciate the love guys 👍
Really think Slow should have been retrained fully to Centre Mid. Where he would need pace less and could instead focus on distributing the ball.
That would have been a sensible thing for the AI to do, but the AI doesn't do logic and sensible suggestions
Slow was built to be a world beater at Enganche or AP-Su.
Great vid
Thanks 👍
What about a huge guy with good jumpin reach and heading vs a short guy who is a monster on the floor defensively but cant jump or head for his life
Love this. I have a short vs tall one coming but CF, so this would be a great follow up 👍
Quick with 1.7 mil per week in Saudi Arabia. Pretty good.
Good spot, think i missed that. 1.7 is higher thsn usual, I've seen 1.6 plenty
Love the video
Love the double comment. Feed that algorithm
He’s just done a Daniel James career resim.
These two are better than Danirl James 🤣
@@jayhuahuaoh 100% I just find it funny that the all pace no tech winger came up with Leeds. Just similarities in the early career, obviously worked out better in the future though.
What about giving managers with 20 working with youngsters and 1 working with youngsters a bunch of high potential players. Does it really affect their development?
Come to think again, the managers experiment is way too volatile so nvm
I LOVE this idea, but u are right. They are volatile but I am working on something for managers. I failrd on FM23 so I will not be beaten on FM24 lol 😆
great video
Thanks 👍
just curious, how did you divide the stats for the players? did you just change stuff around until the numbers worked out to 100 CA?
Yeah did exactly that hence the mad polygons
when serie a teams are level on points they will have a playoff final game for the league title instead of doing head to head
Is that right? I think i have seen that actually now you mention 🤔
@@jayhuahua i only fppund that out cause i managed sassuolo in this fm. its a new rule as of 2023/24
Always good to have my knowledge broadened. Appreciate the comment 👍
Hey, I like your experiments. I did expect different results.
I was wondering, how you set up the view with both players, where you can see the actual CA and PA. In my saves, I can only see the star rating, even if I'm unemployed. Do you have some tipps for me?
Its having the in game editor enabled and also a feature of the awesome skin I use, which is the Sas24 skin. For hidden attributes etc, you do need the in game editor enabled though
wouldn't a versatility of 1 be better to test the position?
Yeah i think you might be right, still, interesting results i feel
I'm 4 years into my Arsenal save and I have to say, the regens are really disappointing. Not mine, but everyone's. I can't believe they still haven't sorted this out - it really puts me off of long saves. The regens are never as good as the players that start the game, and the AI still barely utilises them to their full potential.
That's why i got newgan and more recently midjourney. Feel it makes the immersion so much better
Bath draw 2:2 with Farnborough 😢
I have an experiment currently at simulation stage where the wonderkids are starting at bath in light of all the bath comments lol
@@jayhuahua yooooooo
you can MJ their face? wtf
Indeed. So much better than the newgen faces isn't it
what skin and face pack do u use?
www.mediafire.com/folder/kxim8w96s6dnv/Sas23
This is the skin, its the Sas24 skin. Best skin out there in my opinion.
In terms of facepack, it's my own midjourney renders that I put into the game for my experiments
I would prefer sammy
Yeah u could find better uses for him, also quickness training focus and couple of years he's sorted
1.7 M p/w at al ahli?????
That's Saudi for ya
What skin are you using mate?
The best skin out there, it's by Sas, has a version for FM23 & 24, as well as laptop/PC versions. Available here: www.mediafire.com/folder/kxim8w96s6dnv/Sas23
i will just ask, why u make a video of players that didnt even play on their first years instead of forcing a loan on both of them???
I let the AI have complete control. If i had control it'd be a very different story
@@jayhuahua alright then. Might try myself then and see what happens.
Make yourself and sim your career
What as a player? I mean a CA of 15, 34 years old. Be a short video 🤣
@@jayhuahua no as like a 18 year old player to make it a longer player
Yeah, great idea but not executed properly. Ambition and professionalism are two key attributes when developing a player ( outside of playing time), then determination and work rate comes into play. Also, to prevent them from learning new position with ease, drop their 'versatility' to 1. I'd be interested in a redo for sure, if done correctly that is.
Yeah ambition and professionalism weren't terrible handcuffing their potential, but i didn't want it too high that it would over ride the experiment. I appreciate your point though
Sure, but the they weren't on the same level from the beginning, ambition that is. I would also made two separate saves and would put them in the same conditions. You'd get much more reliable info that way.
Weren't they? Hmmm must have been an oversight then. I know they changed early, prob through mentoring. Yeah possibly an idea for future experiments 👍 thanks for the input and feedback
How do you do the regen faces?
I use midjourney to create AI generated images then put them in using the same process as newgan basically
What's the skin you're using?
Its the new and improved Sas24 FM skin. Famously used by Second Yellow Card and is hands down my favourite skin out there. It's real USP is it has a PC version and a laptop version
@@jayhuahuaThat's cool. Does it have the fm23 ver?
Yes, it was amazing on FM23 as well. I think they are all available in the mediafire file. If u google sas23 fm skin it is easy enough to locate 👍
I'll subscribe on my own accord if I deem your videos worthy, and in this case, no.
Ahhh well, you win some, you lose some
Sammy Slow’s initial Polygon looks like PacMan.
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