0:00 - 2:08 - Intro Pro & Con Of No Sway Bar 2:09 - 11:50 On Road Performance/Review/Video Clips Of Highway Driving 11:51 - 18:00 - Offroad Performance/Final Opinion/Conclusion
@@AlmightyyCres the chevys don’t come with a rear sway bar. But yes, I take them off everything. I’ve taken them off a 1999 4x4 all the way up to a 2018 4x4 and most models in between. I’ve pulled a 20’ boat with my truck with no sway bars. Handled great.
@@WANGUYA_MUTURI_JESSE what kind of performance do you mean? Do you take your jeep to auto cross events? Then yes you will need a sway bar. But if you mean on road daily driving performance, no it won’t. If you mean off-road performance, it will improve. Also if you have aftermarket suspension with a much softer spring rate and way more travel that’s a totally different ball game. But for stock springs. Take them off.
Just took it off and it feels great. I'm running Dobison 2 inch comfort lift, blocks rear. I think it made the stiffer ride perfect... Only wish I had a bit more lift
I have an sr5 with the tow package I live in ny and speed limits in the city are 55 or 50 most the time even 40 and I feel like the sway bar makes the truck bouncy offroad and I'm used to cars feeling sketchy
Taking off my SUV sway bar long time ago. But swap my Golf Gti sway bar with bigger one to improve the handling . Different purpose, different setup i guess.
I was wondering about this for my Tundra as when I put larger tires I have just a very little rubbing on the Front sway bar and full lock. I hardly ever turn full lock so it doesn't factor in as much but some people have taken theirs off.
Rubbing sway bar eh? Wow thats crazy and stock height or lifted? Personally avoid full lock anytime. It stresses the system and drivetrain like crazy. Its smart practice for offroading too because your cv boots are at their weakest when full locked. Wider tires id imagine will help a bit for no SB and having that wider footprint like that
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 Yeah my TRD PRO is stock height and I put the tires on my stock rims which are a +55 offset. I know if I had less positive offset that would correct it but don't want to buy new rims nor put spacers in. However, since I don't turn full lock much I'm OK for now and you've given me information on how much that stresses the boots so I guess its a win that I don't turn full lock.:)
If you get into an accident without your sway bars, the insurance company is not going to cover your car and/or injuries. NOT worth the risk to do on public roads.
Thank you for the info I have a 07 ford edge AWD and my sway bar link is broken i wanna just take it off and needed to know if it would drive smooth or not...
I really don't recommend a swaybar coming off a Ford edge my friend. Toyota tacoma is one thing. Suvs are much softer. I'd recommend just getting repaired. I would go against no swaybar on a Ford edge
i put a heavy duty rear sway bar on the rear and removed the front on my GX470 and the offroad improvement and on road comfort is worth it. I did notice, however, that in the rain on the highway... it feels super insecure. Overall, just slow down.
Hell yea buddy! Oh definitely It will depend on that weight balance but also the solid rear leaf vs 4 coil plays that little bit of insecurity. Glad it works out well for you buddy! Thanks for the comment. Always happy to relay other messages like this to other toyotas. Hell maybe when I get one I'll keep this in mind for myself 👌
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 I went with 24mm SuperPro for the rear. There is another benefit that seems to go unmentioned for the ATrac people. Getting to use the full available travel on the front will likely help keep tires in contact with the ground (subjective). Any opportunity to minimize shock to the axles from ATrac engagement is a good thing. I can't count how many vids I've seen of axles breaking because of a fully loaded wheel suddenly receiving all that power when ATrac locks the spinning wheel. I did back to back sessions at Hollister SVRA and the difference is dramatic. I don't think I lifted a front wheel 1x with the front deleted. Light touches, and some ATrac action but nothing severe like the time with it on.
None lol still got my OG after 130k miles or 230k KM. Did a toyota rebuild boot n seal job in winter. Still on stock uca as well with elka no problems.
@wickedlokz1849 thank you! I hope to improve real soon on these. It has just the cab roll feel. Otherwise I've gotten so used to it the only thing to worry about is making sure stuff is secure inside. I'm running a 14" 650lb coil with my elka suspension up front and it helped alot with my handling.
Being this is now 2 years old already, more info has come across. Seems like ive heard from some owners they take them off stock and its not to bad. I still wouldnt recommend it because even with how 6112 felt and now with my elkas, the difference between these two id say it like this: Intro: Stock Level 1 Bistein 6112, Level 2 Elka. My experience was the coil spring made the difference cuz i went from 2.5 to 2.0 but heavier coil and well different tuning etc of being fully adjustable coilover etc. You CAN ALWAYS PUT UR SB back ON though remember that. Its fairly easy to remove.
Well I won't ever have that. Maybe jeep owners will with sas but not me..ive changed lanes aggressively before. No issues. You wouldn't try and dodge a deer..you hit them head on. Otherwise it will be worse. Plus with my front bumper. Dam rights I'm going head on lol
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 Not saying that its an every day occurrence, however, you'd probably feel a little different about the situation if it wasn't a deer in your way but rather a car that came across the median and is on a head-on collision path, or a biker that gets throw off right under you, etc. The possibilities on the road are endless. Maybe not very likely, but definitely not impossible. Not against not running sway bars, actually considering doing so on my rig, but just wanted to put out there that it does come at a higher risk and isn't completely worry free like some people suggest.
@@aemravan never said it was worry free or anything my video explains more than enough that's why I don't encourage this without an aftermarket suspension. I also don't drive to put myself in a bad situation. I know things can happen but I'm pretty good at avoiding things. I deal with it everyday on the highway cuz so many people are stupid. Alot should understand this risk specifically for sure but it would take alot and I mean alot to roll over from removing the sway bar
@@aemravan in general when you are in a bad situation it is better not to swerve, my dad worked on highway construction for many years. Not only by swerving do you put yourself in potentially more danger but you also put the cars next to you in more danger, and if you are swerving to avoid a moving target you may still end up hitting the moving target for example the deer, if you swerve to go behind the deer and the deer decides to turn around bam, or a car if they suddenly wake up or whatever and you both end up swerving to your right because there was a car on you left. I've seen that almost happen. We were driving down a two lane road behind a trailer, another car tried to pass the trailer, and ge was about halfway when there was a semi coming the other way, the car waited until the last minute and swerved off the road on the other side, the driver of the cars actions were unpredictable like most other people on the road so the semi just hit the brakes and stayed straight as to lessen the chance of making it worse. Plus an additional note brakes work much better in a straight line. There are definitely situations where you could swerve but in general it's better not to.
Long before a rollover the problem with too much body roll is grip on the road. The more bodyroll, the more weight transfer on the exterior wheels, the less grip the inside wheels have, so at some point of the lean the centrifugal force trying to get you off the road has only 2 tires to counter it instead of 4. So you can also be fine up to the day the road is wet or icy and then you ends out of the road or doing a 180°.
Want to take off sway bar and chop the mounts off of my jeep xj for over the knuckle 1 ton steering i got a 3 inch old man emu lift you think ill be good
Solid axle and no sway bar daily driven isnt wise. Trial and error is the way to go. Personally if u cant find others that have removed it for your vehicle and have their OP about it. Experiment with it but make sure you can still put it back on if not, id advise against it.
@@mayjahjacob so been a year and I can say it drives way better the only time it feels like the truck will tip is on the overpasses on highways. I'm putting the sway bar back on and adding an adjustable sway bar end link. It does ride smooth but the body roll is too much for my daily. Hope this gives some perspective!
Unless you know you can for a good reason, unless you have researched other owners doing this and have their opinion on the matter. I wouldnt. But you can always install it back on if it doesnt feel safe. I personally would recommend not to unless its offroading only purposes.
When yo do your next Dyno run for the ov tune, any chance you'd have the means to compare tire sizes and their effect on horsepower? Run a set of 31s 33s and 35s or something... I've always wondered how much power is really lost.
I am running street tires now and it will compare to my heavy 31.5 toyo mt I had on. Those weighed 60lbs a piece. There was a decent amount of difference between tire loss
Sorry i like to be thorough. I didnt realize it was such a problem for you. Im not a fan of leaving out details or questions. So i try to think of what may be asked before I post the video. If u didnt see the pinned comment for the break down of the video sorry i guess. What did you want? A constant video of me doing body roll? Theres plenty of action in this video to justify. Not sure even really what action you were expecting outta this video. 18 minutes for a video to explain the whole no sway bar situation seems reasonable to me. Its not alot of time
@@mcdoonaldsmanager8706 Mannnnnnnnnnnn i love them, so much better than the 6112s i had. the heavier coil makes a difference but the biggest thing is being they are full adjustable with lots of threads to play with it makes up for it. 6112s cant handle weight on their own so you would have to spend more money to swap coils. I still have quite a bit of play on my coils with 200lbs on the front end right now. I love it. I highly recommend them. If ur canadian, call Krave automotive outta calgary ab!
Youre welcome. Sorry it couldn't help you out. Feel free to ask what you wanna know..I gave every bit info I could in regards to no sway bars on our 3rd gen tacomas.
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 I have a 2010 FJ Cruiser sitting on 33's ands 5100's, one of the very first things I did when I got it was remove both sway bars. I was a little nervous myself at first because I'd never removed them on any other vehicle I've owned and the body roll does take a little getting used to. I believe they inhibit the factory suspension on a lot of vehicles, of course I'd never try to take a 30mph corner at 80mph either. I don't tow with it, mainly offroad use with an occasional highway drive which still feels very stable at 70mph+ speeds. The VSC and TRAC are an amazing thing on these Toyota's, and even though I have a switch to disable everything (VSC/TRAC/ABS) for offroad use, they are very impressive in helping maintain control of the vehicle in emergency maneuvers. I enjoy the improved ride quality and offroad benefits enough that I can't imagine ever putting them back on.
0:00 - 2:08 - Intro Pro & Con Of No Sway Bar
2:09 - 11:50 On Road Performance/Review/Video Clips Of Highway Driving
11:51 - 18:00 - Offroad Performance/Final Opinion/Conclusion
I’ve taken the sway bar off every Chevy I’ve ever owned. Drives way smoother. Handles perfectly fine. Tows perfectly fine.
Both? I was thinking of just taking my back one off.
@@AlmightyyCres the chevys don’t come with a rear sway bar. But yes, I take them off everything. I’ve taken them off a 1999 4x4 all the way up to a 2018 4x4 and most models in between. I’ve pulled a 20’ boat with my truck with no sway bars. Handled great.
Hey,can I also remove the stabilizer bar in my Jeep Grand Cherokee?will it affect my performance….please reply
@@WANGUYA_MUTURI_JESSE what kind of performance do you mean? Do you take your jeep to auto cross events? Then yes you will need a sway bar. But if you mean on road daily driving performance, no it won’t. If you mean off-road performance, it will improve.
Also if you have aftermarket suspension with a much softer spring rate and way more travel that’s a totally different ball game. But for stock springs. Take them off.
How bout removing sway bars from non rubicon Jeep wranglers? How cool would it it be isn't it?
Just took it off and it feels great. I'm running Dobison 2 inch comfort lift, blocks rear. I think it made the stiffer ride perfect... Only wish I had a bit more lift
@ddoghunt3471 happy to hear. I'm still on my 2.0 elka with 650" 14" coil. I drive like no tomorrow.
Enjoy. Happy to have helped.
I have an sr5 with the tow package I live in ny and speed limits in the city are 55 or 50 most the time even 40 and I feel like the sway bar makes the truck bouncy offroad and I'm used to cars feeling sketchy
Taking off my SUV sway bar long time ago. But swap my Golf Gti sway bar with bigger one to improve the handling . Different purpose, different setup i guess.
Very good video. The only times it ever becomes much of an issue is during high speed winds or while driving at 75+mph in my 06 4runner
that must suck to daily drive
Stock suspension?
I've broken the sway bars on every vehicle I've ever had. I offroad all of them too. Even the cars. Never fixed a sway bar. Theyre not needed at all.
You clearly don’t like to turn fast
@@kainfowler3686 Of course not, not in a truck lol.
I was wondering about this for my Tundra as when I put larger tires I have just a very little rubbing on the Front sway bar and full lock. I hardly ever turn full lock so it doesn't factor in as much but some people have taken theirs off.
Rubbing sway bar eh? Wow thats crazy and stock height or lifted? Personally avoid full lock anytime. It stresses the system and drivetrain like crazy. Its smart practice for offroading too because your cv boots are at their weakest when full locked. Wider tires id imagine will help a bit for no SB and having that wider footprint like that
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 Yeah my TRD PRO is stock height and I put the tires on my stock rims which are a +55 offset. I know if I had less positive offset that would correct it but don't want to buy new rims nor put spacers in. However, since I don't turn full lock much I'm OK for now and you've given me information on how much that stresses the boots so I guess its a win that I don't turn full lock.:)
If you get into an accident without your sway bars, the insurance company is not going to cover your car and/or injuries. NOT worth the risk to do on public roads.
Thank you for the info I have a 07 ford edge AWD and my sway bar link is broken i wanna just take it off and needed to know if it would drive smooth or not...
I really don't recommend a swaybar coming off a Ford edge my friend. Toyota tacoma is one thing. Suvs are much softer. I'd recommend just getting repaired. I would go against no swaybar on a Ford edge
I’m getting a trd offroad 4x4 it’s stock. So should a wait or rip the puppy off?
Sorry I dont see all comments for some reason but yes wait. As said in video dont take it off stock. Not in anyway recommended.
i put a heavy duty rear sway bar on the rear and removed the front on my GX470 and the offroad improvement and on road comfort is worth it.
I did notice, however, that in the rain on the highway... it feels super insecure.
Overall, just slow down.
Hell yea buddy!
Oh definitely
It will depend on that weight balance but also the solid rear leaf vs 4 coil plays that little bit of insecurity. Glad it works out well for you buddy! Thanks for the comment. Always happy to relay other messages like this to other toyotas. Hell maybe when I get one I'll keep this in mind for myself 👌
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 I went with 24mm SuperPro for the rear.
There is another benefit that seems to go unmentioned for the ATrac people. Getting to use the full available travel on the front will likely help keep tires in contact with the ground (subjective). Any opportunity to minimize shock to the axles from ATrac engagement is a good thing.
I can't count how many vids I've seen of axles breaking because of a fully loaded wheel suddenly receiving all that power when ATrac locks the spinning wheel.
I did back to back sessions at Hollister SVRA and the difference is dramatic. I don't think I lifted a front wheel 1x with the front deleted. Light touches, and some ATrac action but nothing severe like the time with it on.
Sweet!
I’ve got stock suspension in the FX4 and am curious about running it without one. Makes me nervous lol.
It would be very nervous haha
Take it off! You’ll be happy you did.
@@longboardalways I upgraded and went to Old Man Emu, took it off after that. Totally different ride and never put it on since, love it!
How many cvc axels do you go threw taking it off
None lol still got my OG after 130k miles or 230k KM. Did a toyota rebuild boot n seal job in winter. Still on stock uca as well with elka no problems.
Right on awesome video ... what about breaking does it go left or right or is it simular to having it on
@wickedlokz1849 thank you! I hope to improve real soon on these. It has just the cab roll feel. Otherwise I've gotten so used to it the only thing to worry about is making sure stuff is secure inside. I'm running a 14" 650lb coil with my elka suspension up front and it helped alot with my handling.
I have daily driven my lifted Dodge Durango with no sway bars for nearly 4 years now. Yeah it takes more work but it’s not bad
So don’t remove if I have stock lifted suspension?
Being this is now 2 years old already, more info has come across. Seems like ive heard from some owners they take them off stock and its not to bad. I still wouldnt recommend it because even with how 6112 felt and now with my elkas, the difference between these two id say it like this: Intro: Stock Level 1 Bistein 6112, Level 2 Elka. My experience was the coil spring made the difference cuz i went from 2.5 to 2.0 but heavier coil and well different tuning etc of being fully adjustable coilover etc. You CAN ALWAYS PUT UR SB back ON though remember that. Its fairly easy to remove.
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 true thanks might have to try it out
This really makes me curious how much flex my 350Z has without the front sway bar. 😂 Im guessing 6"
no sway bar + normal-condition driving = no issue
no sway bar + emergency evasive lane change = quite possible rollover scenario
Well I won't ever have that. Maybe jeep owners will with sas but not me..ive changed lanes aggressively before. No issues. You wouldn't try and dodge a deer..you hit them head on. Otherwise it will be worse. Plus with my front bumper. Dam rights I'm going head on lol
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 Not saying that its an every day occurrence, however, you'd probably feel a little different about the situation if it wasn't a deer in your way but rather a car that came across the median and is on a head-on collision path, or a biker that gets throw off right under you, etc. The possibilities on the road are endless. Maybe not very likely, but definitely not impossible.
Not against not running sway bars, actually considering doing so on my rig, but just wanted to put out there that it does come at a higher risk and isn't completely worry free like some people suggest.
@@aemravan never said it was worry free or anything my video explains more than enough that's why I don't encourage this without an aftermarket suspension. I also don't drive to put myself in a bad situation. I know things can happen but I'm pretty good at avoiding things. I deal with it everyday on the highway cuz so many people are stupid. Alot should understand this risk specifically for sure but it would take alot and I mean alot to roll over from removing the sway bar
@@aemravan in general when you are in a bad situation it is better not to swerve, my dad worked on highway construction for many years. Not only by swerving do you put yourself in potentially more danger but you also put the cars next to you in more danger, and if you are swerving to avoid a moving target you may still end up hitting the moving target for example the deer, if you swerve to go behind the deer and the deer decides to turn around bam, or a car if they suddenly wake up or whatever and you both end up swerving to your right because there was a car on you left. I've seen that almost happen. We were driving down a two lane road behind a trailer, another car tried to pass the trailer, and ge was about halfway when there was a semi coming the other way, the car waited until the last minute and swerved off the road on the other side, the driver of the cars actions were unpredictable like most other people on the road so the semi just hit the brakes and stayed straight as to lessen the chance of making it worse. Plus an additional note brakes work much better in a straight line. There are definitely situations where you could swerve but in general it's better not to.
Long before a rollover the problem with too much body roll is grip on the road. The more bodyroll, the more weight transfer on the exterior wheels, the less grip the inside wheels have, so at some point of the lean the centrifugal force trying to get you off the road has only 2 tires to counter it instead of 4.
So you can also be fine up to the day the road is wet or icy and then you ends out of the road or doing a 180°.
Want to take off sway bar and chop the mounts off of my jeep xj for over the knuckle 1 ton steering i got a 3 inch old man emu lift you think ill be good
Solid axle and no sway bar daily driven isnt wise. Trial and error is the way to go. Personally if u cant find others that have removed it for your vehicle and have their OP about it. Experiment with it but make sure you can still put it back on if not, id advise against it.
I got a 6in rc vertex lift and the coils are so big they hit the sway bar and I've been debating this. Think I'd be good?
Me too I have the same lift and the sway bar hits the coil so I’m taking off the sway bar right now
@@mayjahjacob so been a year and I can say it drives way better the only time it feels like the truck will tip is on the overpasses on highways.
I'm putting the sway bar back on and adding an adjustable sway bar end link.
It does ride smooth but the body roll is too much for my daily.
Hope this gives some perspective!
You need it in high speed maneuvering when avoiding objects
I've swerved at 80-90mph. She holds on fine. Not sure you're going any faster than that in a tacoma for highway usage.
Hey,is it advisable to take off my stabilizer bar in the Jeep Grand Cherokee??Please reply…
Unless you know you can for a good reason, unless you have researched other owners doing this and have their opinion on the matter. I wouldnt. But you can always install it back on if it doesnt feel safe. I personally would recommend not to unless its offroading only purposes.
Just watched this vid and disconnected my sway bar. Actually so much fun without it on. Also what phone mount are you using?
Hahaba awesome..happy to hear that. And I got a magnetic vent mount off Amazon. Nothing fancy
Are we talking front or rear or both sway bars?
Watch the video. Tacomas don't come with any rear sway bars so.
So you have aftermarket springs?
I run elka 2.0. they come with 650lb stock or option for 700.
I have a van , soo i deleted the sway bar is it dangerous for a van? Plz reply
When yo do your next Dyno run for the ov tune, any chance you'd have the means to compare tire sizes and their effect on horsepower? Run a set of 31s 33s and 35s or something... I've always wondered how much power is really lost.
Just did it yesterday
Gonna try n get the video uploaded sometime tomorrow
I am running street tires now and it will compare to my heavy 31.5 toyo mt I had on. Those weighed 60lbs a piece. There was a decent amount of difference between tire loss
6112s are actually 2.65” body.
@@premium83401 indeed they are but in the common world they are just refereed to the 2.5 cuz its usually 2.0 2.5 and 3.0
did you take off the front and rear?
only comes with front, still have it off to this day and with 1 inch longer coils
Very informative. Thanks!
Appreciate it, glad I could help!
And don't drive angry 😆
I actually have believe it or not and woooo the body lean really gets there lol especially around the city streets
Meanwhile i have a total of 4 swaybars on my Honda 🤣
Hahaha definitely alot more control for you with that many!
Less talk. Some action. 18 min wow.
Sorry i like to be thorough. I didnt realize it was such a problem for you. Im not a fan of leaving out details or questions. So i try to think of what may be asked before I post the video. If u didnt see the pinned comment for the break down of the video sorry i guess. What did you want? A constant video of me doing body roll? Theres plenty of action in this video to justify. Not sure even really what action you were expecting outta this video. 18 minutes for a video to explain the whole no sway bar situation seems reasonable to me. Its not alot of time
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 how u like elkas
Are urs adjustable
@@mcdoonaldsmanager8706 Mannnnnnnnnnnn i love them, so much better than the 6112s i had. the heavier coil makes a difference but the biggest thing is being they are full adjustable with lots of threads to play with it makes up for it. 6112s cant handle weight on their own so you would have to spend more money to swap coils. I still have quite a bit of play on my coils with 200lbs on the front end right now. I love it. I highly recommend them. If ur canadian, call Krave automotive outta calgary ab!
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 hell yeah. Appreciate the feedback man. Nice channel too
What leaf pack are u rockin?
Thanks. I learned absolutely nothing.
Youre welcome. Sorry it couldn't help you out. Feel free to ask what you wanna know..I gave every bit info I could in regards to no sway bars on our 3rd gen tacomas.
@@CanadianOffroad4x4 I have a 2010 FJ Cruiser sitting on 33's ands 5100's, one of the very first things I did when I got it was remove both sway bars. I was a little nervous myself at first because I'd never removed them on any other vehicle I've owned and the body roll does take a little getting used to. I believe they inhibit the factory suspension on a lot of vehicles, of course I'd never try to take a 30mph corner at 80mph either. I don't tow with it, mainly offroad use with an occasional highway drive which still feels very stable at 70mph+ speeds. The VSC and TRAC are an amazing thing on these Toyota's, and even though I have a switch to disable everything (VSC/TRAC/ABS) for offroad use, they are very impressive in helping maintain control of the vehicle in emergency maneuvers. I enjoy the improved ride quality and offroad benefits enough that I can't imagine ever putting them back on.