Flex over Safety? Toyota Tacoma sway bar removal, What do you need to know!
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
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This time on Dirtnation we are starting a new series called Mastering the Tacoma! On this video well be going over sway bar removal and how it effects offroad performance and daily driving!
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welcome to the no sway bar club. I've been doing it for years lol and it is nice to have some stiffer springs though. My springs are really stiff and liked a tiny bit of body roll without the sway bar in. I added a steel bumper, skids, and winch which helped a ton as well and i realized how important picking the correct spring rate is. correct spring weight + correct weight + no sway bar = one happy squeaky taco :)
I installed Timbren off road bump stops and removed sway bar on my ZR2, no change in hiway driving, much better off road.
Must be those trick shocks
I've been driving my 17 swaybarless for almost 45K miles... lol
I also have 650lb springs up front, doesn't lean as much as the factory springs would.
It's always fun when someone new rides in your truck and you take a few corners a little hot... 😂
I installed Bilstein 6112's with 2.5" preload lift. That combined with the swaybar made the truck feels insanely stiff. Removed the sway bar and truck feels perfect now.
You can invest in something like icon coilovers with the adjustable dampening.
Run it on hard on road and it takes ALOT Of the roll out.
Switch to soft for off road .
It makes a huge difference
That’s what I’ve done except I went with Kings
I would add some stiffer springs. I removed my sway bar on my Nissan Frontier with 35’s and added Toyota Tundra bilsteins with Tundra heavy duty spring. Don’t get much body roll or up travel into wheel well anymore, but still have good flex when needed.
Good to know...I’ll check it out!
Practical information, people should realize that if they do remove the sway bar it’s at they’re own risk ,,,While other channels are bolting things on in they’re driveway ..Dirtnation is taking things off 🤪🤘🏻
Addition by subtraction baby! I’ve divorced my sway bar 🤣🙌🏻
Dirtnation Offroad I pulled mine off after GM ,,,and stiffened up my pre load on my springs ,,I’m never going back!!! “ freedom’s better than need’n em” 🤣🤣🤪
Swaybar removal is gold. But needs different spring rate and shock absorber adjustment.
Did you change your bump stops? Upgrade yours to Duro bumps. Some shops even sell bump stop spacers to lower your factory ones to limit up travel to match the tire size increase. This keeps tires from going to high in wheel wells rubbing everything (Often overlooked by people doing they’re own lifts). Also cheaper suspension setups reuse the factory springs adding to lots of body-roll (already been that route). Better coilovers do not roll as much by having higher rated spring rates than stock but according to what you might need like 650lb springs on a stock truck or 700lb springs on trucks with steel bumpers and skidplates . Also the shocks body are larger and carry a lot more oil inside, reservoirs cycle hot oil out of shock to cool oil down resisting fade -fluid breakdown, and some shocks like ICONS have internal bump zones (to slow up travel higher in the stroke, resists bottoming out), Or have adjustable dampening. Big difference from cheaper lifts
Lots of info...appreciate it! Ima look into bigger bump stops...as for the springs I do have heavy duty springs...not stock....I’ll upgrade to kings or icon in the future should help solve the issue
17 taco I removed my sway bar years ago, no regret. I hardly notice any difference on daily driving, the only time I noticed but very minimal is during a highway loop when entering and exiting while going fast ..However, I do have 650lbs springs up front for my metal bumper. Just do it!
thatmrb1 that’s the spirit 🤣🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻
Just took mine off of my 20 Ford Ranger. I’ve got the Old Man Emu heavy kit, suck a huge difference on top of the OME. Freaking amazing!
I didn’t fit in the Tacoma 😂
I’ve got a stock Sierra 1500 and the sway bar delete is one of the best things I’ve ever done. Better ride ON road. Better ride off-road. I don’t notice the body roll hardly at all. It’s FREE. To be honest it makes the front and rear feel the same which makes it feel almost easier to control.
Would you recommend this on a 1998 Mitsubishi montero sport / nativa SUV
@@HealthSupercharger yes.
Not worth it for the little amount of flex you get in the front with your Taco standard/extended travel IFS. put the flex in the rear with longer rear shocks and leave your front sway connected.
Nah
I'm a Chevy dude and closet Tacoma lover lol. I always ask why TF I spent so much on truck when I could've gotten a badass TRD pro which is more capable than my current rig.
Haha same than just bought myself a trdpro tacoma...and its awesome...now the chevy sits for now
Dude awesome video! Thanks for the insight. 🙏🏼 I was thinking of removing it but since it’s my wifes daily driver and my weekend warrior, I’m going to leave it on for the safety of the wife and kids.
Not a problem! Glad we can get you the info
For the kind of wheeling I do, i sold my Tacoma and kept my JKUR 😜
Check out the Timbren bump stops that was mentioned. IIRC they sell spacers to help limit the up travel and will improve the ride. I had them on my Tacoma.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 thanks man will do 🤙🏻
Yes there is a guy back east that makes a disco for Toyota. I can't remember how to get in contact. But wonder lost overland. That's a u-tube channel. Mark who runs that channel has a video on the Disco and how to contact the guy who makes them. It's an old video so you'll need to go back far. Back when he was running an FJ cruiser.
I’ll check it out 🤙🏻
Just took the sway bar off my '05 DC tundra, definitely rides smoother on road especially when taking pot holes or speed bumps. Honestly I barely notice it off otherwise. Even going around bends I dont notice the body roll. The only times i notice is when intentionally simulating an "evasive maneuver" and all of a sudden the lack of the sway bar is VERY obvious. But even with all my "simulating" i still never feel like i could flip it over. I have yet to try it going 60+ though lol
Just subbed to your channel and found this, thank you for posting this one and the good information!! I just picked up my 2020 Tacoma too, just started filming some video's too on my channel that I think you might enjoy! Anyways, looking forward to seeing more and chatting dude!
Much appreciated! I’ll definitely gonna sub back looking forward to your content 🤙🏻
Take a hammer to the wheel well, or go down a few tire sizes.
Feels like a mini trophy truck :D with the correct springs and some more track width, (for coil trucks, 4R/FJ/GX, correct rear sway) it's not bad at all. Ran no bar on my 4R with a decent rake and lots of rear spring and travel. Never felt concerned, drove it really hard. GX has wife and kids, it's heavier, and taller. I'll probably just make some diy disconnects for it
Apex designs just launched there Toyota swaybar disconnect
Can’t wait until this thing gets a SoloMotorsports LT Kit and king coil overs
Soon hopefully🤙🏻
Awesome looking rig!!
Thanks!
I bought a 215 Toyota Tacoma
I was confused why doesn’t has Sway bar
Thank you for Share it
No problem!
JKS offroad makes quick disconnects for the XJ. Not sure what it would require to adapt the to a Tacoma. But they would be great for George.
Dope I’ll look into it!
I took the sway bar off of my '13 Reg Cab, when I lifted it. Weight reduction, Bro, that 4 banger needs all the help it can get! lol. Thankfully, I don't daily it. It's just for fun.
Wow! That’s a lot of roll on the street! I don’t run a sway bar on my Tundra and can barely feel a difference on the street. No rubbing issues either.
You need 40s 👀
Dirtnation Offroad ...37s coming soon! I have to make sure I can keep my warranty! 😂😂😂
You need Kings! 👀
I’ve been debating if I want to do this for a while now. Thanks for showing how the truck moves without the sway bar in. Any chance you could do a vid talking about your thoughts on tacoma vs wrangler/gladiator?
"F*** you leaf," man I lost it on that statement. 😂 I appreciate the helpful video🤙🏼
Just undo the bottom link joint and pivot it up and around and build a L Shape bracket on both sides of the frame and bolt the bottom of the link to to the bottom of the L shape brackets.
If an suv came with front and rear, what would the pro/cons be with removing only the front sway bar.
The front being removed would be a similar result to what ive experienced…removing the rear would be risky…especially being an SUV
Run 32” tires and you won’t rub. 265/70r17 is 32” and don’t buy load range E they are way to stiff and ride crappy, but buy P metric which is 4ply and softer riding with Toyota trucks, I run the Nitto ridge grapplers by far the smoothest and quietest offroad tire ive had over bfg or duratracs. And use a cv diff drop.
You were talking about snapping George's brake line because it was too short I shop over here and Ontario for g&j aircraft brake lines and pressure lines when I raise my blazer up I had to get new brake lines should check them out there still braided or the regular hoses don't make them for you right then and there
I have the longest available from rubicon express. So yes too short but also longest. Ima checkout that spot tho my jeep flexes hard
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Thanks man ill hit them up
@@jorgesalazar2370 that's great my first time there they asked me how long I wanted to line if I wanted it braided or if I want to just hose I didn't know it came in certain length if you do check them out make sure you take the old brake line with you that way they can match up the fittings
I'll probably leave mine on for now. Maybe after shes paid off I'll remove it
1 inch body lift help a lot, I know, body lift’s are horrible ! But 1 inch isn’t that bad.
Thought about it but as of now doesn’t justify the work it takes fir a body lift
F U leaf. 🤣🤣🤣 What did that leaf ever do to you?
Idk 🤣🤣🤣
Some of the Ram 2500 guys are dropping the sway bars altogether in combination with moving up to King 2.5" or 3.0". Reports I am hearing is this dramatically improves on and off road ride, no sway bar needed. Thanks but no thanks Ralph Nader...the nanny king. It is nice my PW can electronically disconnect for off-road, but on road it is well known to create a harsher ride than needed. Some ditching them as mentioned above or going to an anti-rock style bar that is progressive.
Could you do a video on how to remove the sway bar?
Yeah next time we’re removing one I’ll record
@@66Duffman you still interested in a swaybar disco?
People are saying no sway bar is fantastic for off-road. Are they talking about rock crawling type of slow off-road? If it is not great on road with body roll, it must be dangerously bad for fast off-roading. Am I correct? I want to drive as fast and comfortable as possible on uneven trail roads.
You can get weaker sway bars too as an option . I’ve seen videos where people are selling them and make them for certain vehicles
Dustin great video and content but it's time to graduate to a 6inch lift; it would save a lot of headaches.
Maybe some day 🤔
Dirtnation Offroad I agree with him or at least go long travel 😱💣🤙
6:17 “fuck you leaf!” 🤣🤣
😂
i have a 1st gen with rancho quicklift and there is no body roll change
What’s your thoughts on reinforcing your spindle with a spindle, gusset plate?
I think it’s an essential upgrade! I bought my plates already gonna have it done soon
Hope you post a video on it :)
i live right next toyou in glendoa
wish there was a middle ground
After getting a 3/2 ReadyLIFT on my 2019 Tundra, it’s been making a clunking noise going over speed humps at low speeds, I think it’s coming from may sway bar….I’m not sure what to do.
I would Jack up the truck and see if the control arm is hitting the coil spring at full droop…could also be the sway bar links if they are worn out
What springs were you running when the truck was rocking like a boat??? I just got some 700 thinking of removing my sway bar
What are the cons if you remove the sway with stock suspension?
More likely to roll on extreme turns…like swerving to miss an accident
Can you tell us what size tires/wheels?
You need to bump stop accordingly so your tires don't eat your fenders
Copy that gonna look into bump stops
Does no sway bar improve ride on logging roads with potholes? Does it soften the impact into pot holes by not having that side to side jolt where your head goes left nd right?
Speaking from owning a Jeep JLU, YES! My front is disconnected completely on both sides (preparing to remove it entirely), and ride is much better in every situation. A bit of extra body roll on-road I can live with. Much better 4-wheeling too.
How does removing the bar increase wear and tear on the cv and ball joints?
Extra articulation stretches the boots a lot more on cvs...risk is they can pop out of the diff....ball joints are at a more stressed angle on down travel too
@@66Duffman by how much would u say it decreases the lifespan of the cv and ball joints? Assuming u do moderate offroading. less than 100k miles?
@@alexmlo1 If you actually wheel it, you're gonna break stuff more quickly. If you don't wheel it, don't take off the sway bar and you'll never need to find out how much quicker it'll break :). Don't try to do a CBA on an off road vehicle. It's more important to find out what you NEED or WANT it to do, do that and prepare to replace parts 🤣👍
I have a question tho what about just removing the links for off roading then re linking when your done has anyone done it curious or mine
I tried this... Found out after about 10 seconds that the sway bar will roll back and puncture/ rip the cv axle boot off. You could probably take the links off and then zip tie it in place to prevent it from rolling though.
A sway bar is counter-intuitive on independent suspension 🤔
Remove the sway bar and, if you find you need more dampening, upgrade the front shocks.
*Update: I removed the front sway bar assembly yesterday afternoon. Remove the skid (4x 12mm bolts), then remove the two big braces under the sway bar (all 17mm, pass. side has one bolt in front and 2 in the rear. The driver side brace has 2 in front and 2 in the rear), remove the sway bar end link nut where it attaches to the control arm (1x 17mm, use deepwell. Repeat on other side) The stud itself has a 6mm allen hole, so if the nut gets stuck just slide a 17mm ratchet wrench over the allen key and continue until the nut is off). Now just remove the 4 sway bar bracket bolts (4x 14mm iirc) and you should be able to just pull the whole sway bar out with the end links attached. Reinstall those two braces and the skid plate and you're done.
I did this with the truck parked on muddy ground without removing the wheels or so much as turning the steering wheel. Only "problem" I had was the pass. side end link nut got tough towards the end and I had to use the allen wrench. *I used a 3/8" drive ratchet for all, use a 6~8 cheater pipe for those upper end link nuts to break them loose, they'll feel tighter than they are, don't freak out lol)
Now onto driving impressions: Drove about half an hour around town, hit the highway (local speed limit is 45mph) and was honestly underwhelmed at how much roll it gained. It did seem to lose a bit of "road feel" if that makes any sense, like how you can feel the tires through the chassis, but at the same time I don't percieve any negligible effects to slip angle, or overall grip. Did just fine on the highway, nothing really to report.
Around town is a different story, before the sharp bumps and jabs in our crappy local roads would would near make the steering wheel jump out of my hands, and now I can cruise around with a knee on the wheel. There's one notable bump in the road here, the kind that make you curse out loud and makes any vehicle sound like it's falling apart, it was awful before and tbh it still is awful, though it doesn't bump the front end out of center nearly as bad now. Of course stops and acceleration are no different, and normal turns are... normal.
I still think that these trucks don't have enough caster on the front end from the factory, which is why it's skiddish like that.
*Stock 2019 Taco trdOR 4door 5ft bed. No extra weight in it, stock tires and pressure. 2500miles on it.
*Update: Still loving it. Still stock. I actually re-installed the sway bar last week and after going around the block one time I immediately came back and removed it again.
Also, rollover risk is actually LOWER without the front sway bar. Allow me to explain.
The sway bar increases front grip, everyone agrees on that. Without the sway, the front tires will have less grip and thus will understeer when pushed into a hard turn. In other words, the truck is going to slide, not flip. This applies to pavement only. Exception being if you slid off of the road, at which point anything could happen regardless of a sway bar. It won't flip on pavement just from a hard turn, unless someone is running R-compound race slicks on a prepped track and that's a HARD maybe.
Thanks!!!
Need more lift and quick disconnects
I’ve had mine off since 2016 honestly only notice it on high speed turns. Wouldn’t go back to sway bar.
I’m about in the same boat
Just removed mine drives like a older 1/2 ton 2 wheel drive
It’s definitely different
Just deleted mine in my JK 🤣
Good choice 🤣
Dirtnation Offroad that shit is tough took 2 heavy metal blades and almost a full carbide blade 😂🤣😂⛺️
Holy crap😬😬😳🤣🤣🤣
Streets of El Cajon are dog shit. Made mine feel way better.
😳🤔
@@66Duffman thats not the reason I removed it. I see the confusion. Wanted more flex wheeling. But seriously El Cajon streets are close to Mexicali streets.
you say you are rockcrawler but seems you love your fender.. lol.. that doesnt match well
Fake news b.s. on the rollover😁
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