Sharper Longer Lasting Chainsaw Sharpening Step You Don’t Know!
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- How to sharpen your chainsaw better if you use a dremel, grinder, or any powered chainsaw sharpening tool. A lot of us have been missing this step for years and once I add it into my sharpening process I immediately noticed a big difference. I then head to the woods with the freshly ported and muffler modded Echo CS501P chainsaw done by @dynojoemods2764 and buck up a beach tree I felled in an earlier video as part of the challenge put on by Tom @fatefarmspa I got a chance to test some felling wedges sent to me y Yard Maris as well and they held up pretty well for this quick short test. I’ll try them more in future felling videos.
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There is nothing wrong with different styles of filing. Hand or machine, as long as your chain is sharp and the work gets done. Great tip with the lubricant.
Thanks Kenny and I agree. I like having options. I’d love to add a bench to style sharpener on day.
I recently started hand filling my chains, I usually do it after every load of firewood I cut and feel pretty stupid for not doing this my entire life. I've been using the same chain all firewood season, usually I would go through 3 or 4
@@Stacked3403 machine sharpening is aggressive.
@@OpenAirAdventure I do have a Dremel and was thinking about getting bits for sharpening with that but figured I better get the hang of doing it by hand first
That saw is ripping, gotta love the ported Echos!
Tony, it’s a whole new saw!!
I have free hand sharpened chainsaw saw chains until five years ago whenI tried the Timberline Sharpening system. Been doing my own chains for over 45 years and will never use anything else. It uses a tungsten cutter to mill the tooth, like hand filing, 0 heat.
Thanks John. I’ve looked at the timberlines. They look like a nice unit.
I agree 100%. It’s the best sharpener ever built.
I bought a timberline and 1st use I went too heavy tore up the carbide burr a bit but it still works. One thing is I don't like sharpening both left and right cutters from the same side.
That little Echo is a mini beast.
Yes it is!! I liked the saw before but now I love it.
Absolutely. That's why big surface grinding machines in machine shops all have coolant systems.
So far it seems to be working well!
Looks like the echo is treating you well! Nice job on the sharpening.
Joe it is a monster! Thank you.
Yeah; I switched to a CBN wheel for my grinder. Better heat transfer away from the tooth so the tooth doesn’t get too hot. Same principle. 👍🏻
you're onto it mate
I’d like to add a bench style grinder with a cbn wheel.
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors I have an Oregon 410-120. It’s okay.
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors Yup ..I've got an Oregon with a cbn and it works well ...however I've gone down the square ground rabbit hole and I'm 20-30% faster through the wood with the 451C Simington ... The Koolgrind could still help out on the disc tho ,,thanks for posting. it all helps.... I'm watching you bend over with that short bar I run 24" on my smaller saws ( 460,550i and 660 ) saves my back
@@stihlnz I have longer bars on some of my other saws. Wanted to run the new ported echo though.
You will never be happy with a stock saw ever again lol welcome to the club
So true! These saws are awesome.
I like that sharpening tool. Seems like a good time saver and works well too. Good job with the Beech tree. That saw is sweet. Y’all keep up the great work. Bruce in Wv!!!
Thanks Bruce, the Granberg works great!
Seems lije we all should have known about this lubricant!!! Thanks for sharing. Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
David, I’m sure some people do but I’d never seen it used before and it worked great!
Nice video ,Beech is.like Balsa Wood though compared to the Red Oak ,American Elm,and big diameter locusts I cut! Lubrication makes perfect sense ,that dry lube stick seems spot on. I heat my home with wood exclusively for many years ,cut wood most days of the year.I have been hand filing every gas fill and have found almost no need to machine sharpen very often at all!
I’m getting better at hand filing but still use the Granberg from time to time. I needed to take these trees down to expand the Woodyard so we’ll burn them! They don’t split easily though!
Great Job !
Thank you!
Looks like a really nice combination you have there Heath!
Thanks Obie, that saw rips!!
Just to help out with future videos and you are not the only one. Oregon is pronounced
ORYGUN 17:19
Thank you.
That looks like the way to go for me. Thanks for posting this.when I’m doing firewood, I cut everything on the ground, so I have to touch the chain up every refueling. But I do a fair amount of chainsaw milling. I can touch up the milling chain 2 maybe 3 times by hand till it starts to wander. Then I bring it to shop to be ground. Where they blue the teeth, leave huge burrs at times and I still have to do all the depth gauges (rakers) and touch up all the teeth to get all of the burrs off.
Ported is the way, I just had my old husky 55 rancher rebuilt and ported by New England Saw Works here on RUclips. What a little ripper with a 20in bar! He also rebuilt and ported my Stijl 460 and she is a beat! Gunna get me that sharpener you got with that oil and get to work.
Awesome, I am definitely happy I decided to get a few saws ported. What a difference! You can also use the sharpener to set the rakers if you want to. It’s been a great sharpener for me as my hand filing is hit or miss.
excellent footage man! I am interested in that lubrication if I ever get some sort of grinder again! Makes a lot of sense for sure. That ported Echo is running well and it is very nice to have a Zippy saw like that!
Thanks, and yes that little saw rips. I’m looking forward to getting the ported Makita into some big logs! Thanks for watching and the feedback.
Nice and sharp! That saw sure cuts nice love the sound!!👍💪👍
Jeremiah that saw is absolutely awesome now!! I can’t believe the difference Joe made to it.
I use a file my hands and eyes and I get it perfect every time. It's a mystery to me why so many people (and it is so many) convince themselves that they need an expensive gizmo.
I do hand file quite a bit and am definitely getting better at it. But occasionally use this fancy gizmo to get my chains back into shape if they get too bad.
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors Check out Buckin Billy Ray. His hand filing classes should be national treasures
I'm going to look into getting some sort of sharpener myself soon, I've always hand filed but over the years I've had trauma to both hands and now arthritis has made it very difficult
I like to hand sharpen but I’m not the best out there. I have good days and bad. I really like this Granberg and it’s not too expensive. Id like to add a quality bench top grinder with cbn wheel one day.
I have a neck injury and arthritis all arm work is very painful the end of the day. I broke down and bought a organ grinding wheel. My father and his dementia couldn’t sharpen chainsaw chains anymore. So there’s 16 practically new ones lying around I’ve got it down to 10 minutes give or take a chain even if I have to file the rakers. it makes a huge difference hand sewing filing a chain raking shoveling golfing anything fun hurts me now. So anything to make it a little easier as welcome. That Oregon wheel was worth the 200 I paid. I won’t have to buy a chain for five years
She cuttin good 👌🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Thanks, it’s a little monster now.
When i got a job felling big timber i had a local cobler make me a leather wedge holder for my elt. He was the same man who made the sheeth for my scrench and file.
I’m sure that was much nicer than this. But if this lasts it works pretty decent.
Stone sharpener makes sense, I only hand file with file. I will try to oil my file next time I sharpen to see if there's a difference. It might help and make a sharper tooth. 👍👍
I wonder how that’ll work, it makes sense as with most things we use a lubricant when we sharpen.
That saw is awesome .
Del, it is amazing what Joe did to it!
very informative and a useful tip - thanks
You’re welcome. Appreciate the comment!
I’m not a fan of chain grinder machines but I do like that Granberg! It does make sense to add grinding lube when sharpening 🤷♂️ I’m still hand filing because it’s all I know. That little Echo was sure angry! 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Todd, I have heard mixed reviews on the bench top grinders. But this Granberg has done well for me and has helped me become a better hand filer though I’m still hit or miss. The line definitely seems to help. The Echo runs angry now for sure!
Awesome little saw. I've tried kool grind on my oregon 410 with the pink wheels. Didnt care for it as it seemed to clog up the wheel and not sharpen as well.
Thanks Bryan, I wondered how it would work with the wheels.
Wow, very impressive!👍🏻
Thanks James.
Definitely cutting good
Yes it was. Thanks David.
Heath...If you want to see that saw really rip shift to a Cannon narrow kerf bar and Husky SP33G narrow kerf chain. You will be blown away.
Biggest chainsaw mistake I ever made was selling my 501P!
Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind, it’s an awesome saw now!
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors Husky ships their 50cc pro saw with narrow kerf bar and chain. Ask anyone with a 550xp Mark ii of the difference between .325 regular and narrow kerf.
i sharpen by hand but if i didnt...i would buy kool-lube its made for hair clipper lubrication and to keep the clipper blades cool...tractor supply has it in the clipper section...5 bucks for a huge spray can...like bigger than brake cleaner bottle......they also have it in reg oil squirt bottle...but i like it in the aerosol spray can...im sure wd40 or anything would help
Thanks, I’ll have to look into it.
Fun to watch
Thank you! We try to keep them entertaining and educational when we can.
Been watching buckn Billy file getting pretty good with a hand file also use the jig with. 2 round files
And a raker file in one
I want to try one of those files too. Buckin is an artist with the chains!
Well here in Canada we get ten months of winter and during winter we only get twenty minutes of sunlight.
That’s rough!
And that’s when it’s not snowing.
I’m guessing your in northern Canada. Where abouts? I’m by spruce grove but dream about moving north. But the daylight think in winter would be depressing
@@Robert-uh6bx I'm actually in Manitoba,
I just complain sometimes.
Anchorage, on the shortest day, gets 5 hours of sunlight although WAY up North there is 24+ hours of dark (always dark) in Dec and Jan.
I have the grinding wheel type and it have oil cooling system on it. You don't dry grind or you need to go very slow.. Plus with the grid wheels you never goind the tooth going outwards. My grinder is reversible so you always grind going in so you don't leave a burr on the outside edge
I’d like to add one eventually.
Excellent!
Thank you!
I have always used cutting oil on my files. It keeps the file "teeth" clean and makes the file last way longer. The crumby pink wheels on the Oregon grinders might fall apart if you lubed them. The good CBN wheels probably do need a lube and they clean up quickly with an art gum eraser.
Thanks for the info. When I get a bench grinder I’ll definitely get a cbn wheel.
Thanks for the tip
Nice! Are you using tap magic cutting oil?
In past Mightee, now Brownell's Do-Drill.@@FredFlintstone21
From a professional grinderman. This is a gimmick. Its just loading up the abrassive
Thanks for the info. So far it’s worked for me but I see what you’re saying and have not used it long enough to load up the stone. Not sure these small stones last long enough to load up but I’ll definitely be aware of that now.
I need one of those Hats. Very good looking hat
We are all out of the Tan right now but do have some other colors available. We don’t have a website up yet but they are $30 shipped. If you want to know what colors we have now shoot me an email hardworkingmanoutdoors@gmail.com
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors will do buddy thanks
Good video and job.i didn't know they made lub like that. The saw ran great echoes are good saws we have a 400 echo like it much better than the 230 ms I traded in on it. Take care, be safe and well.
Echos are definitely gaining in popularity and with good reason. I’d have to say I like this one better than my 260 as well.
Nice job and good suggestion
Thank you!
Little Echo rips!
Thanks Bobby, it’s an absolute beast of a 50cc saw now.
Great tip on the lube Heath. I’ll try it with my Dremel. I have a Tecomec bench grinder with CBN wheel. I only use it for really damaged chains. I don’t know if the lube would be good with the CBN.
Thanks Dick, I need to get a bench grinder with cbn wheel someday.
Lol, Heath, 3 hour days, but I agree the daylight hours are very short this time of the year. Great job with the video. That ported echo cut through that beech like it was butter. I have never heard of KoolGrind, but I am ordering some today. Thanks so much for sharing all the valuable information. Take care and have a great day!
That feel like 3 hours. This stuff really works!
Its a good idea to grease up your stone when your sharpening your chainsaw I could never get them to work for me so I do mine by hand
Thanks Carl. I do a little of both but this Granberg definitely gets them sharp!
Glad to hear that and have a good Thanksgiving
That's a sweet specimen! Lots of firewood (envious)! I like that oil pen concept, It's like a Crayola crayon! ha I've seen teeth turn a bit of metal color, from heat, didn't think it mattered much. But if it saves the stone too. hey! Anyway...
Thanks, I know some people say when the teeth change color they lose hardness. Not sure on that but it definitely sharpens smoother if that makes sense.
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors 30,000 feet perspective. Most people use their chainsaws, seasonally, or 2, 3 times a year. hey!
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors if grinding causes the chain to lose hardness why is it more difficult to hand file a chain that has been ground?🤔
@@iffykidmn8170 it’s just what I’ve heard.
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors I know as I have heard the same but then others claim it hardens them so they cannot be filed.
Awesome
Thanks EJ!
Who did your porting!? Dyno Joe?
Yes Joe did them. From worksaws.com.
Heath a sharp chainsaw is the key. My little saw is a Stihl MS 170 with a 14in bar and carbide chain. Keep it sharp and it cuts just like my big Echoes. It’s a lot liter and it can cut down a 16 in tree, go figure.
Yes it is! That little saw was ripping!
That echo made quick work of that beech. I ha e 2 590 Timberwolves, maybe I should get one ported... or one of my good ole husky 350s...
I couldn’t believe the difference from stock to ported!
The purest and old time power saw guys would call that electric sharpener blasphemy but whatever makes it sharp.. I’m bout 50/50 on hand filing. Half time it’s great half time it’s like I’ve never held a round file! Maybe it’s my eyes idk..
Jeremy, I’m the same way with hand filing. I know a lot of people look down on the mechanical sharpeners but they work and that’s what matters.
if you dont mind asking what did it cost to have that little saw ported and did he do anything to the timlng
James, we did a video on it a few videos back. Joe from work saws . Com did it. His channel is Dyno Joe Mods. He does a full build, porting, machine work, timing advance, and muffler mod. His current price is $350 but I do know he will be raising it soon not sure by how much. In my opinion it’s 100% worth it. You can ship him your saw if you aren’t close too.
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors - remember that to ship an engine that has EVER had gasoline in it you have to ship it as HAZMAT with the proper paperwork or else .......
Your chain will only last a couple of sharpenings if you grind away like you're doing here.
ALSO, you never mentioned filing down the rakers which, based on this (I believe) overly aggressive power sharpening, will need to be done each and every time you sharpen the chain.
Those wedges are called PALM WEDGES and are seated just with your hand to stop the log from pinching and trapping the bar - both when felling as well as bucking the log. People new to using palm wedges enjoy smashing at them with axes or hammers to "wedge the tree" over in a direction they failed to properly determine when beginning the cut.
Bucking up the log on the ground is faster and safer if you only make the first cuts on the top of the log about a bar depth plus through and then, when you roll the log over, cut the rest of the way upward with the top of the bar. Hit the dirt just for a micro second and it's dull, dull, dull with all the time and effort you saved lost, lost, lost.
Appreciate the feedback I’m always learning. I do adjust my rakers but as you can see the saw was cutting great. My chains last quite a while. I hand sharpen while cutting and use the Granberg when a chain gets bad.
Evidently the Hard Working Man has Parkinson’s in his right index finger.😂
Nope but my grandpa had Parkinson’s.
If the tooth turns red you have compromised the metal it’s going to be weaker now. Do you go through a lot of chains? I’ve been looking at different types of sharpening machines. Not sure what’s best. Good advice with the lube.
I do not go through many chains. I do like the Oregon EXL chains. I definitely try to keep the tooth from getting red!
new husqvarna roller sharpener is amazing if u have husqvarnas....super quick...easy and its by hand....better than the stihl system...i really like it...
red hot means that the temper in that tooth is destroyed. Destroy the temper and the tooth gets dull fast.
👍👍
Thanks!
Yeah that does add time having to go slower not to heat up the teeth. When They get hot it makes a burr on the tooth with my organ grinder
Yes it does!
Alat yang bagus.
Thank you!
What brand wedge and axe holster is that? It looks like what I’ve been looking for. Great video too, echo makes great saws.
The axe pouch is a Weaver Arborist. The Wedge holder is Yard Maris. There is a link to the yard maris in the description of the video.
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Thanks Will.
I hate how it gets dark so soon can’t get anything done after work 🤦🏻♂️ The lube is a good idea keepin things cool 👍
Tom, me too. The Kool Grind seems to work great. I know I’ll be using it from now on.
i know me too...ive been just putting on my sofirn headlamp and still working...it has cree spotlight and floodlight...4000 lumens only 25$ now...its a great deal...i live in wv so dont have to worry about neighbors
@t9056 headlamps are awesome!
Once the tooth turns red the proper heat treat is gone, forever. 👎That’s why Timberline is the best👍
Which is why this Kool Grind appears to work.
No you have just learned to use a Granberg jig that has been around for literally half a century in various forms. You can still achieve better results with a simole rat tail file by hand if you have the right skills and knowledge. Until then, a jig can make sense for a beginner.
It has definitely helped me become a better hand filer.
hi there ,just use soap . best to all , john
Thanks John. Hadn’t thought of soap but did want to try a few alternatives.
candle wax also works , @@hardworkingmanoutdoors
32 inch bar bubba.. that bending down stuff sucks. 7310pw also
I have a 32” on my Makita 7900!
Just hand file like a real man. Also your grinding angle looked way off
Trent I do hand file but I’m not to proud to use other methods that work. Doesn’t make me not a man. Sometimes camera angles can be deceiving. She definitely made quick work of that beech which is the ultimate goal.
Nice sharpening. Never seen it before. Doing well with lubricant. I prefer hand sharpening. But have a problem when I ruin the chain not intentional. Stone or iron in the wood.
Thank you for this. I have to say looking this video that you are not very skilled with a chainsaw. Maybe you made it like this for better video.
Anyway thank you
You’re welcome, not a professional chainsaw man just a guy who likes to work and have fun helping others when I can.
Nice video. Tell. Your. Wife. I. Said. Hi
Thanks Ralph. Will do.
A chain is only ca eight bucks, hardly worth the time, and sharpening tool, cost. If you're using a saw all day, or you have some monster saw, I can see it.
I really like the Oregon exl chains they’re about $20-30 some I re sharpen them when I can.
blapping the throttle like a nincompoop 🙄
Trying not to hit the dirt.
and blapping the throttle like a nincompoop accomplishes that how, exactly? there is ZERO reason to do that. just keep it running normally until you pull the bar out.
@@keemez that way if I hit the dirt I don’t hit it full speed.
I think I'd recommend leaving more wood at the cut bottom. Less risk and let's you turn the log without so much rippin'. Not so far bent over, easier on your back. And, if you care about such things, way faster overall!@@hardworkingmanoutdoors
Too much talking ! Unnecessary !
Thanks for watching.
How would you make a video like that in sign language? - Btb. that conditoning stick looks just like the grocer's marker.
Great saw sharping tip. The saw works great. 👍🏻🪵🪓🔥
Thanks Noel! This saw is amazing now!