Sporting fan here. You will find out how special of a coach you got there... First time someone leaving my club made me cry. Best trait, besides tatical prowess, is the ability to win the locker room... All the players will die in the field for him. Love the guy, treat him well
You're not the first fan I've seen say they cried knowing Amorim will leave the club. This gives me hope as a Man Utd fan that he is finally the right man to take charge of my wounded club.
@@thebizness5596 Sporting was a chronically 3rd place. Under 4seasons and a half we are, without a doubt, the best club in Portugal atm. Not only the football that is played that is attractive (10 games, 35 goals/3 conceded) the structure of the club evolved with him, he is very hands on type of coach, likes to be involved in everything, including youth and B teams. He is truly special, but you will soon learn that no matter what i type here, the feeling of.having him leading your team is on another level. I just ask pacience towards him, he can learn from his mistakes
So ive noticed how I keep missing these videos and I've realised now it's to do with the branding. I subscribe to both athletic FC and athletic podcast. Both brands are very similar including thumbnails. When quickly browsing I just assume these "TIFO" videos are athletic pod videos so just ignore them. Would be helpful (at least for me) if there was clear difference. Happy to be called stupid. But I'm still struggling with the TIFO to Athletic transition. It wouldn't shock me others have suffered this before at the very least. Still love the videos when I do stop to watch 🙂
If I can add a few remarks on Amorim: [1] His press talks before and after the game are true gems. He always talks of football, tactics, players and as the relation with the media evolves, he will slowly direct the conversations from the hot non-pitch topics, to fotball masterclasses about the game we just witnessed. Journalists often look like schoolboys eager to learn. [2] He doesn't choose just 11 players per game. He uses the whole bench. He likes a small squad in numbers so that everyone on the squad is part of the rotation... and everyone really is. [3] He will not care about a player status. If he can't find what he needs in the squad, he will look in the youth squads for what he needs and he will groom the potential he sees in a player and will have no problem playing him in the main squad. He'll be greatly missed...
@@CheriptheRipper ManU is a different club and environment but in Sporting he would... if they run and put effort in the training sessions, be part of the team and find a place for their talent in the rotation. If no commitment is shown in training, then he'll scout the youth teams for talent and will find someone who wants to play and puts the effort everyday to do it. He won't do this in a confrontational way, but that's what he will do. At least that's what he did here.
It doesn't make a lot of sense saying that of Amorim is let go, United are stuck with this Unicorn wing backs because if you look at the players he used as wing backs are Porro and Nuno Mendes, who today play for Spurs and PSG in a back Four ( Mendes being One of the best in the world) , and Nuno Santos, Catamo and Quenda who were all wingers. He coached all of those players into that position. None played there before. Amorim first year was more defensive ( Mendes and Porro , the real Defenders) and now more ofensiva ( Catamo and Quenda, natural wingers). Amorim is well loved here ( I'm a Porto supporter) and everyone (except Sporting fans) is very happy he is leaving. Hopefully he takes Gyokeres with him, we don't want him here no more hahaha
I'm obviously biased but I lean towards being hopeful. I think he's exciting, his style is very different, and I think he has a very high ceiling. Hopefully the Utd curse doesn't get him.
Honestly, there isn't no such thing as United curse - coming from someone who has been a fan of United since like 96, all the managerial appointments after SAF tenure hasn't been good enough. None of them made a step up after leaving United. Thing is, our whole football structure is now new and should have the acknowledgment to help the whole footballing department to concure new heights. That being said, Amorim has a lot to prove himself now also to adapt to new league and higher standards.
I am FC Porto supporter and all I can say is Amorim will change deeply MU if they let him, great communicator and the relationship with the players is like I never saw, he's the boss and like their older brother if it make sense, I never saw him trash any player even if played badly, he always blame himself, he will win the locker room and they will give everything for him, that is his biggest skill, keep the good work guys
Hehe... "I never saw him trash any player even if played badly, he always blames himself..." Well, that makes him a better manager than Ten Hag straight away!
@@WayofWyrd My reference was to the phrase. Diamonds are Forever which is an advertising slogan from De Beers. If the "diamond" engagement ring you bought for your wife is chipped take it to the "jeweler" who sold it to you and demand your money back.😂😂l
Amorim adapted Wingers to Wingback very well in the last years in Sporting. Nuno Santos was playing Right Winger at Rio Ave and played mostly as LWB in Sporting. Geny Catamo was LW all his career and plays as both RWB and LWB in Sporting. Quenda is another example of player who made is fornation as Winger and it's now playing as Wingback. I think that will be the most interesting to see in Man Utd.
JJ is so right… I have a mini heart attack every time they say “GonçalvEZ” or “FernandEZ” with a spanish accent, instead of “Gonçalves/Gon-sahl-vsh” or “Fernandes/ Fer-nan-dsh” (in portuguese…
@@batsegezich88he is just giving the syllables phonetically for English speakers that want to nail down the pronunciation, that stuff is hard to translate to text!
Moyes, LVG, Jose, Ole, ETH, were all the right fit, and looked what happened I hope he knows what he's letting himself in for, intense scrutiny, the gutter press, and so called RUclips fan channels, unrealistic expectations from fans, of instant success. Good luck, he'll need it.
For at least 3 of these names, then being "the right fit" is questionable. Man United haven't had proper football leadership for years, so because of that, there was never a clear cut decision on what style of play the club wanted to commit to. That's why all of those managers listed widely vary in terms of their footballing philosophies. It's therefore difficult to say that all (or any) of them were "the right fit"
None of these managers were the right fit simply due to the fact they all had a Glazer ownership and board above them. We could’ve brought Pep in right after Fergie retired and it would’ve went badly. The fact of the matter is, no manager was set up for success under the previous regime. Media of course have their responsibility for the intense scrutiny these managers faced also but that’s what happens when you’re the biggest club in the country. Blaming fans is pretty laughable, no big club supports managers like United do - of course there’s the ridiculous online trolls that all fanbases have but for the most part, all of those managers were supported well past the point they should’ve been. The ‘fans demand immediate success’ talking point is so tired and wrong, no manager post Moyes (since he came in right after we won the league) was expected to win the league in their first season, for example.
Moyes and LVG was never the right fit. Ole didnt have the tactical nous, ETH was exciting but he lacked in charisma and ditched his principles pretty early
The analysis would benefit from looking at the Glasner project at Crystal Palace. He has set up with the very same style of 343, with high wingbacks and two 10s. When it clicked into place last season it was superb, but there was a lot of player turnover in the summer and this season it hasn’t settled yet. The two 10s need very quick minds, the CF must be physically strong and the wingbacks need to run and run.
17:20 "its funny with Mason Mount because he's totally rubbish except for the fact he can play every position on the field" LOL yup that perfectly describes Mount. He's the perfect example of Jack of All Trades Master of None though oftentimes better than master of one
Bruno is basically a box to box number 10. Take Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard, add a dash of Bryan Robson and a little bit of Cantona and you get Bruno Fernandes. Lots of energy, all action, creative, covers every blade of grass, scores and makes goals for fun. That makes him perfect for a counterattacking side which is why he was so good under Solskjaer, who I think is the manager who got the very best out of him. Like Gerrard, he's a Roy Of The Rovers type of player (though Bruno is far more productive, having been the best chance creator in the world for the past 4 or 5 years) but with that comes a lack of positional discipline. It's not that he can't be disciplined. He's done it for Portugal and on a few occasions, for United but you get the sense that if you put him on a leash, you take a lot away from his game. Bruno could absolutely play in a double pivot. He gives the ball away playing in the 10 but that's what 10's do. They take risks. Look at De Bruyne or Messi's stats and you'll see the same thing. On the few occasions he has been asked to play deeper, his pass percentage has gone way up and he's able to dictate the tempo. The reason managers don't play him there more often though is because his chance creation and goal scoring go way down and at United, there's nobody to replace his numbers if you give him a more disciplined role. Amorim's 3-4-3 system with 2 10's might actually benefit Bruno greatly, giving him the creative freedom he obviously needs but within a structure where he doesn't feel like he needs to cover every single blade of grass. I think a lot of the problem with Bruno, and it happens with a lot of players who are obviously the best player in the team, is that he feels the need to cover for everyone. It's almost like he can't trust the players around him to do their jobs so he needs to do it for them (and if we're being honest, it's not a crazy point of view given how poorly players around him have performed in recent years). The 3-4-3 may help alleviate that issue.
sticking him in the bin would be a better suggestion. Absolutely atrocious footballer, just does not read the game whatsoever. Ditto to Dalot. Brainless players that get away with it because of occasional moments
@@GRIMMDOOM1 make no sense. Alvaro isn't doing that well. Most people just want him back because of ten hag sent him away Same way people wanted DVB to play Because he was playing No one should listen to fans
Carreras is playing well in Benfica and because of such Amorim got to know him better than if he was on loan at Sampdoria. Makes sense, as the profile is closer than Dalot or Shaw.
If wing backs are to be the intention, I wonder if Harry Amass will get a call up sooner than he might otherwise have got ? Mazraoui seems a decent shout for the right side. I could see Dalot playing RCB and filling the R wingback role at times.
It's cute how Inter is termed a smaller club where Inzaghi is overachieving. I think you'll need to speak with your very own James Horncastle, who beautifully addressed this very topic in a weekly football podcast episode.
On the topic of wingbacks it is worth noting that Rúben Amorim has converted several wingers into wingbacks while at Sporting. Nuno Santos, Geny Catamo and Geovany Quenda were all wingers. Geny is especially interesting because he was a left footed player played mostly as a RWB. Quenda is like that too now, though Sporting have defended in a 4-4-2 shape more often than not this season instead of the defensive line with 5 men. I feel like the 4-4-2 defensive shape could suit the United squad better, particularly when you consider the potential problem with the left side.
Being a Benfica Fan, i Really Wish he was our coach! But one thing Common between a Lot of Fans here in Portugal too is that we are very excited to see Him at United! United has a spot in everyone’s heart because of Ronaldo and what we Watched of him during those days
Correct, JJ said Malacia is the most attack-minded wingback while Shaw, Mazraoui and Dakota are defensive-minded. Yes, he was making the point seriously.
mineral fan here. Diamonds are not the strongest material on earth, nor naturally occurring, nor in any sense. They're the hardest naturally occurring material. You can't scratch a diamond with a rock, but you can smash one with a rock.
Dutch managers are different. Its a cultural thing. Ten hag is not a bad coach and he will go on and win titles somewhere else but I think Amorim is a better fit for Manchester United
ETH was the author of his own downfall. He was given £200m a year and wasted £616m on the worst players I have ever seen. The ETH fans try to defend his transfers but they can't because they know they are trash. I am a United fan but I knew his talent identification was trash from the beginning. Amorim the coach seems top notch however he won't have a veto over transfers so his success will be partly dependent on Dan Ashworth bringing him the players he needs. I hope Ineos back Amorim and give him the players he needs.
@@almac9203 Yoro is the worst player youve ever seen? Onana had a bad start but has grown into one of the best current players.. Hoijlund is great for his age, he just shouldnt have been made the starting striker for a club like united so soon.. Ugarte has hardly played and will hopefully suite Amorim's system since hes played under him before.. Casemiro was great when we bought him and i think he was more of a panic buy who didnt suite ETH's system but he was losing games and had no CDM and the club failed to get his main target
@@richardsutherland1645 you can try to defend the BS signings but deep down you know it would be difficult to spend £616m worse than ETH. ETH talent identification was horrendous. Our squad is full of bang average players and it doesn't look like we spent £616m! BTW Hojlund is great for his age? Dude cost £73m. He certainly isn't great for £73m! Onana is in my opinion worse than Kovar who was £52m cheaper! Casemero was £65m and 30 years old!. You also conveniently left out Antony, Zirkzee and Mason Mount!
@@reddish8692 Exactly. Let him run up & down the left wing & put in some crosses. Don't give him the pressure of having to score. Give Hojlund some service instead.
Ruben might turn Antony into a Class LWB. Think about it, if he keeps his ego aside, he has everything to play that role, He can defend, he can retain the ball at a every good level, He can run with the ball, and can cross his with the only foot he has, Maybe what I just said is stupid, but I can see him play there
I think it’s a fair assessment. Fans want rid of Antony for his minimal G/A output - but they absolutely can’t question his work rate and defensive capabilities. He’s probably better at tracking back then our other wingers combined.
@@IsaacGledhill Me too mate. He’s got so much stick for a price tag he didn’t determine for himself, and has been more reliable than certain players at the club who don’t get anywhere near the abuse. His problem is that he’s being judged on his attacking output, yet his best work comes as a ball carrier. Perfect for a LWB imo. Just needs to work on his crossing.
Either that or the right inner forward, see how he uses trincao or Marcus Edwards. Which is sad because if he actually plays good, he won't be memed to oblivion no more.
Zlatan was talking about the fact that great coaches can work with the best, the biggest, and usually at the same time, the most complex personalities, which Ten Hag couldn't do. and as for ego, Zlatan would know, as he is himself, an extremely egotistic buffoon.
Could have explored why he is obsessed with a back 3. He lost his first two games as a manager, when he played with a back 4. This has been a differentiating factor for him
The importance of the central defender in his teams is a crucial one. They often start the offense play, they have the liberty to move out of position and many times they are even the play makers. On most teams this player is barely substituted, with Amorim, it's odd not to see a central defender being substituted every week. Once you see his teams playing you'll understand why. The 3 is just the starting point, they are so much more.
Seeing the MU players in a 3-4-3 as presented here, it seems to make more sense then I initially expetected. Ruben Amorim is a great coach. Let him do his thing without any expectations for this season and I'm sure MU will have a wonderful time with him. I'm sure he will also have a great relation with the team and with the press. His soft skills are top notch. Always a very focused, very relaxed and friendly approach.
Cynically, I agree. It's easy to pause footage and draw shapes and pass it off as analysis, Shearer has been doing it for years on MotD. But perhaps I'm being cynical like I say and there's something more to it.
Davies/Frimpong are the perfect option for an Amorim team. Being Man U you can bring in that talent. Madrid are focusing on a RB like Trent and a CB to pair alongside Rudiger. So Davies may be the “third” signing they try to make and you can potentially snag him as making him a priority.
Hes used to be beating many2 very easy teams in the league. EPL anyone can beat anyone anyday. Wolves 19th and Southamptopn 20th. These two can easily get top 4 in portuguese league. Stay composed and watch how it goes first will ya.
Basically exactly what McKenna at Ipswich primarily tries but is adapter to team he is facing sometimes. So will be interesting to see same style vs each other!
That ending 😂 but seriously some good points throughout the video. The last, and most important, point being switching to a bath three mentality and recruiting strategy could pay off or it could backfire heavily - like so many of the decisions over the last decade
i loved the end bit about the concrens over amorim's back 3 shape and whether there is any flexibility over it . but what i would say is even though sporting dont do it often there are certain games where their players rotate with the wing backs coming in and the wide forwards holding the width , thats in some cases but with better players around him now he might use that more often .
Think first thing he has to get right first is our pressing patterns and how or where we press. Reason why we’re so easy to bypass is our pressing at times looks uncoordinated
There’s nothing wrong with our initial press, we won the ball high up more than any other team in the league last season.. The problem is how deep the defence is, they drop off which leaves a massive gap between the defence and the attack, one pass and you’re running at the defence.. If Ten Hag got the backline to push up high he’d still be United manager.
Amorim's career path, so far, is very similar to that of SAF, Brian Clough, Jose Mourinho. He's come from nowhere to do brilliantly with two or three clubs at the bottom end of the leagues. Let's hope he can push on. It took SAF 5 years to develop United, I doubt Amorim will be allowed that time though. edit:- typo.
It's worth mentioning in terms of converting attackers into wing backs that Saka began in the arsenal system as a defender, he had the chance at that slow process of putting him in there as opposed to abruptly expecting any current man united winter to become that role so quickly.
In Sporting we have Quenda, left footed, playing on the right side of defense, cutting inwards in conjunction with Trincão (10 on the right) and the midfielder on the right, to create an overload on that side of the pitch that allows Quenda to cut inwards for a shot or a cross to the second post (with the left foot the cross can be easily directed to the goal and a minimum deflect can turn into a goal), that also allows to drag the left back or the center defender to be dragged inwards and provide space for Trincão to drible between lines, wich is a strong aspect of both players. Saying this, I can see Garnacho play on the right side when Man Utd play against "weaker" teams.
What I must say is that Maguire doesn’t have the feet to play with Amorim. Only if he places him in the center as basically a libero just playing to the sides. But even there… Relative to WBs, he adapted wingers with success, the latest being Quenda, which is basically a massively talented winger, like Nani or a Quaresma, and he’s playing there. He just started a this season, he is 17, and is working wonders.
JJ was right about it being about hiring someone young who has already overachieved - and Amorim fits that bill... Winning 2 titles in 4 seasons (with a likely 5th this season) with Sporting is akin to what Fergie achieved ' Aberdeen or what Klopp did with Dortmund. This season could be bumpy but prople do seem to forget that Jose & Ole played a back 3 at times and as i understand it, the WB role under Amorim is similar to a wide midfielder in a traditional 4-4-2 - something our FB's are suited to and could maybe work for Antony &/or Amad. I think the twin 10 set up may suit Rashford as well - he is hitting some excellent passes and crosses this season and not being required to hug the wing might suit him and give him the ball in that left side of the box channel that he can be devastating in. But he needs his squad to stay fit - something that ETH never got a handle on given how this season has panned out so far...
This is such a great analysis of the situation vs Sky's ridiculously watered down drivel they've been pumping out then recycling for the past week 😂 If i see their transfer 'expert' tell us one more time he doesn't actually know the answer to any of the asked questions, and he's gonna sit on the fence, I will absolutely lose it 😒 Keep it up chaps!
Mazraoui is perfect for the wingback role, as is Shaw (if fit). Malacia also fits the profile, but will he make a comeback? There's also talk of buying back Alvaro Fernández from Benfica in January. The odd man out in this system is Garnacho, and to a certain degree Bruno. All other players can fit neatly into the needed positions. Especially Rashford (who benefits from playing closer to the middle) and Amad (who can play a 10-ish role on the right). Martínez - De Ligt - Yoro is a perfect backline, as is Mainoo - Ugarte in midfield.
I think back three systems might be the next natural evolution of football. Most teams play a 325 type shape by dropping a fullback or a midfielder into the back three when in possession. But there is a lot of upside from having an actual CB playing at CB throughout the game. If you were to name the five best young managers in the game right now that list would probably include Amorim, Alonso, Inzaghi, and Hoeness. All of which are having success using a 343 shape. Which suggests that it might well be the next meta in football. If United are ahead of rhw curve with this then it has massive upside. Especially when you consider that Pep is probably in his final year or two at City. If not then there are several examples of coaches who have had success with a back three and developed themselves to use a back four system, such as Tuchel and Naglesmann. A great tactical mind will be able to grow and adapt. I think Amorim fits that mould.
I think a different scenario for Bruno could be more of a 3-4-1-2 playing Bruno as the 1 between Ugarte and Mainoo, and the forwards. Lets you either play both Højlund and Zirkzee or a combo of one of them and Amad/Rashford/Garnacho etc. Could allow him to play the role he’s best at as well as getting more forwards onto the pitch??
very valid points, especially who plays where and a back three coach being able to evolve as well as the up and down side of back 3 systems and teams. i really hope he ca evolve to a ack 4 and do it very well
@nananou1687 I am not saying there is a fuss. But a amorim's back 3 uses wingbacks as primary source of width and like the analysis shows, their attacking abilities ought to be top notch. Back 4 uses wingers usually good at going past opponents and are dynamic to cut in or go outward which wing backs may not afford u often. But also their creativity is also limited but stoppable unlike a winger like rashford or saka who will give u all attack options.
Pretty nice one, thx guys. Good pick or not: ManU stands at 14 now, so any quick fix coach would do in the short term. The longterm question of the 3 cb's is the more critical.
Fun video as always. I think a bit too much emphasis on the wing back thing being a risk, a fullback who can attack is not uncommon these days. Shaw and Dalot are decent going forward, both would probably be better given license to bomb on and not worrying about inverting. If we do dip into the market just don't sign one who gets a nosebleed running towards his own goal.
Honestly the formation might work for United. The extra center back may help against the late goals from crosses. Plus Maguire and Mount both had their best performances in a 3-4-3, and Fernandes would be slotted into that right hand channel where he usually drifts into anyways, so it looks comfortable for him. Change might be good for United in this sense.
I feel Ruben should consider using a 4-3-3 instead of a 3-4-3 we keep stating this is his go to formation, but I'm not sure if he stuck with that formation because of the players he had at Sporting or if he simply prefers it. Obviously formations don't really matter ,rather the style of play is more important. Still if he adopts a 4-3-3, this united team might be able to do well as opposed to forcing players who can't play wing back to play as wing backs. Perhaps he might try out a back 3 and find out that the team can't handle it and he revert back to a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.
No. Amorim does not change the model, he changes the personel. A more defensive wing back makes it look like 4 defender line, or even 2 and it looks like a 5 defender line, yet the spaces, movements and responsibilities are stable. After 10 to 20 games all players understand how to play their position. Then Amorim starts teaching a second position to all players. Any comparison with ETH is ridiculous. But you'll see...
Well on the positive side he had a presser saying other clubs came in for him offered triple the clause he said no he wanted United. It was now or never for him.
Given how Ten Hag’s Ajax tactics bore no resemblance to his Utd team it will be interesting to see if this conversation turns out to be in anyway relevant to Amorim’s Utd. My question would be if Ten Hag hadn’t taken over Utd who would you pick Erik or Amorim? Hopefully the latter!
Casemiro is best suited to play as the libero in between the two centre backs with Martinez doubling up as LB by splitting with De Ligt. We need one of our many wingers to play as RWB though instead of Dalot there as Dalot's output is low. Mazraoui as LWB is suitable though. Something like this 3-4-3: Garnacho Hojlund Fernandes Mazraoui Ugarte Mainoo Diallo/Rashford Martinez Casemiro De Ligt Onana
United's issues goes pretty deep and cannot be solved by changing manager. But Amorim is certainly a great choice and a good start. He will bring the best out of the players, but the problem is that the quality of the existing players is not that good. Utd need to spend a decent amount this summer and then give Amorim the time he needs.
I feel like buying in wingbacks that are giants, but with the characteristics of wingbacks would be incredible. Better In the air than wingers and fullbacks and players like Haaland would struggle to find a player to physically outmatch. Pulling a large striker to the fullback is an easy way to play long/score back stick crosses.
Normally Amorim has 2 profiles by position. Although its a 3 man defensive line, where he gets his height for dead balls, he can use 3 CBs or 1 or 2 CBs and one right or left defender, that will push up and support the wing back in games that the opposition is playing the bus. This idea is also common to all the other positions. Sometimes he plays 2 strikers and a 10, sometimes the attacking midfielders are dribblers other times they are possession players. The positions dont change, the roles are stable, so its not on the players to adapt to an opponent but on Amorim to choose the right players for the opponent. This creates a lot of trust from the players. In this system, his double midfield pivot are the ones to be more valuable, so Mainoo is going to blossom. There are a couple of heavy earners that dont have the quality or health to be an option and this is where United will need to invest. Invest in loosing these guys, like Rashford, Shaw, Maguire and Fernandes, maybe even Eriksen and Casemiro. Amorim values very old players if they have the right mentality at training to ensure the team has the proper spirit. Sancho would fit very well if United can recover him. Amorim is patient and sensitive to players moments and feelings, he would not scale the war like ETH. Much before everyone knows there's a problem the player is already out and looking for a new club. I feel this is the expected pain point for United. Spending money to loose players instead of spending to get them. Obviously the league is much harder but the 343 allows flexibility and he keeps winning matches against very defensive teams while playing like this.
Atalanta played a similar system. Hoijlund was their Viktor. And Amad played as a RWB at times for Atalanta. United have the players. Yoro as the right sided centre-back. De-Ligt and Maguire as the CB in the center. And Martinez and Shaw as the left sided CB. Mount/Garnacho as the LWB.
I think Ugarte and Casemiro is an interesting topic. IMO when Casemiro has played as a CB he has not been as awful as sometimes the media says he was... as a Madrid supporter all of us know Casemiro with the ball isn't as bad as he is pictured to by the English media as soon as he fucks up BUT is better if he has to have the ball as little as possible. So I feel at 31 or 32 that he is, and as someone who was a forward in youth football, the narrative of him being the central and more conservative centre back in a back 3 ticks that Beckenbauer-Matthaus career path in which they get progressively more defensive but it ends up suiting them. I know he hasn't been amazing when played CB but IMO if he was to be a full time CB and not a fill in CB, and specially in a back 3, it could end up good for him. Onana De Ligt-Casemiro-Licha Mazraoui-Ugarte-Mainoo-Dalot Bruno-Rashford Rasmus Is what I feel makes sense, but what you think makes sense in football often ends up not working. But I really feel Licha is more flexible than what we have seen him at United, early on at Ajax he played as a DM, and Casemiro full time CB in a 3, can be a surprise. The Gyokeres topic I have a verdict on that. He is good, but im not sure other than the manager link he convinces me enough to: A be crucial to buy, I feel Rasmus and Zirkzee can be polished B Even if Vlahovic was more pricey I don't see why or how someone would prefer Gyokeres to Vlahovic I don't know if Vlahovic is linked to Man U but Im a huge fan of him and I feel, along with Chiesa, they have suffered from Juventus suffering (but over performing ironically) the last couple of seasons with Allegri. Im not aware how is he doing with Motta tbh but if Man U has targeted two summers in a row two of the most good yet meh Serie A forwards, why not the mf that when good is amazing, and when not he is, at least in my eyes, better than Hojlund and Zirkzee? That's my view on it, Vlahovic is younger than Gyokeres as well but both are young so yeah.
I do hope so but I have a feeling he will struggle especialy if some of United players are not shown the DOOR. If not I feel another bag is packed. As you can see I am neither confident nor jumping for joy. He will find it HARD to "Make a slik purse out of a Sows ear"That is amount of faith I have in this Bunch. In all my 65 years in supporting this Club I have never witnessed the absalute Mess this Club has become. I wish him all the Luck in the World He is deffinatly going to need IT! I watched the replay United v Chelsea Thinking things had changed since Ten Hag left and to my Surprise NO CHANGE, GREAT! and once again I switch over and watched another match. There you lot go anylising Amorins tactics BUT will this bunch except it and not whing. United in name only the GREAT DAYS ARE OVER until new players are brought in. How much More money to throw at the Problem?. A good mid table Club, that is if theyare not fighting Relegation.
United need to buy wingbacks of high caliber like Frimpong if they want this system to work, current options dont cut it unless Amorim does some magic on them
@@MistaZULE I'm not sure Dalot is all that great at anything tbh. He can look good on the ball, but he isn't effective enough imo, and United always seem vulnerable on whichever side he is on if he isn't tasked with specifically man marking his player out of the game. Seems a nice guy but...
Alphonso Davies was linked before; even if Utd ultimately decide to keep the back 4, a fullback upgrade is overdue - Maz was a step in the right direction but money no object I'd buy one on each side, sell Dalot and one of Shaw/Malacia. Love Shaw, but never fit
@@ronanfitzpatrick1261 that's fair, but he's responsible for many goals over the last few years with his cross and good linkup play on the wings. Not a fan of his defending, but his attacking is great.
@@MistaZULE I think some of his play is good, but I'd want more frequent contributions from him. I think he only has something like 8 league assists in 6 seasons which isn't great considering the positions he gets in and far forward he often gets.
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This channel is pure gold 😂, the dry humour , those lil cuts to facial expressions, I love it !!!
Its a poor imitation of what it used to be
Found it very cringe
@@InsideJob2001 then I guess it's not for you bro 🤷🏽♂️
nah if it wasnt for the smarmy dude itd be fine
@@F.O.G_Music what was the point in this reply lol. Am I not allowed to just state an opinion 😂 Enjoyed the vid overall anyway
Sporting fan here. You will find out how special of a coach you got there... First time someone leaving my club made me cry. Best trait, besides tatical prowess, is the ability to win the locker room... All the players will die in the field for him. Love the guy, treat him well
Hahahaha 🤣 Clearly never met a Utd supporter.
@hooksx well, utd just got a new one here! 🥲
We we and thank you
You're not the first fan I've seen say they cried knowing Amorim will leave the club. This gives me hope as a Man Utd fan that he is finally the right man to take charge of my wounded club.
@@thebizness5596 Sporting was a chronically 3rd place. Under 4seasons and a half we are, without a doubt, the best club in Portugal atm. Not only the football that is played that is attractive (10 games, 35 goals/3 conceded) the structure of the club evolved with him, he is very hands on type of coach, likes to be involved in everything, including youth and B teams. He is truly special, but you will soon learn that no matter what i type here, the feeling of.having him leading your team is on another level. I just ask pacience towards him, he can learn from his mistakes
So ive noticed how I keep missing these videos and I've realised now it's to do with the branding. I subscribe to both athletic FC and athletic podcast. Both brands are very similar including thumbnails. When quickly browsing I just assume these "TIFO" videos are athletic pod videos so just ignore them. Would be helpful (at least for me) if there was clear difference. Happy to be called stupid. But I'm still struggling with the TIFO to Athletic transition. It wouldn't shock me others have suffered this before at the very least. Still love the videos when I do stop to watch 🙂
You're right about that "it gives puzzles "
Yea I just click and check just in case.
It's usually a hit and miss with these videos nowadays
When they rebranded to the athletic fc, I didn't recieve notifications from there channel for over a month. Until I manually searched for tifo channel
I agree!
Shaw will never be fit for longer than 4 games at a time, so almost pointless including him in these segments
Apparently Bruno is nearly equal with him in United appearances despite being there for about 5 years less.
@@stevenlannister184 Bruno only has 28 games less than him, even though he joined over 5 and a half years later
Mount also falls into this category. And who knows what's happened to Malacia.
@@agibfaizal4547 that's the stat. It's embarrassing
@@ryangriffiths6130holy moly I forgot Tyrell Malacia was still in United. I thought he had been shipped out to some midtable Spanish side by now.
This is the 3rd or 4th video I've watched on this subject and my word these guys do it so much better than the others. Love JJ, Jon and Joe.
If I can add a few remarks on Amorim:
[1] His press talks before and after the game are true gems. He always talks of football, tactics, players and as the relation with the media evolves, he will slowly direct the conversations from the hot non-pitch topics, to fotball masterclasses about the game we just witnessed. Journalists often look like schoolboys eager to learn.
[2] He doesn't choose just 11 players per game. He uses the whole bench. He likes a small squad in numbers so that everyone on the squad is part of the rotation... and everyone really is.
[3] He will not care about a player status. If he can't find what he needs in the squad, he will look in the youth squads for what he needs and he will groom the potential he sees in a player and will have no problem playing him in the main squad.
He'll be greatly missed...
He looks like a real deal.
Let's see how he handles Rashford & Antony then
@@CheriptheRipper ManU is a different club and environment but in Sporting he would... if they run and put effort in the training sessions, be part of the team and find a place for their talent in the rotation. If no commitment is shown in training, then he'll scout the youth teams for talent and will find someone who wants to play and puts the effort everyday to do it. He won't do this in a confrontational way, but that's what he will do. At least that's what he did here.
It doesn't make a lot of sense saying that of Amorim is let go, United are stuck with this Unicorn wing backs because if you look at the players he used as wing backs are Porro and Nuno Mendes, who today play for Spurs and PSG in a back Four ( Mendes being One of the best in the world) , and Nuno Santos, Catamo and Quenda who were all wingers. He coached all of those players into that position. None played there before. Amorim first year was more defensive ( Mendes and Porro , the real Defenders) and now more ofensiva ( Catamo and Quenda, natural wingers).
Amorim is well loved here ( I'm a Porto supporter) and everyone (except Sporting fans) is very happy he is leaving. Hopefully he takes Gyokeres with him, we don't want him here no more hahaha
Is there a problem with Gyökeres?
@@emilardiansyah9349nah he meant as in gyeköres scores goals and tends to score against his team porto
@@emilardiansyah9349 he is too good. Take him away from here hehee
Exactly. There are few natural wingbacks. Most players come to it from elsewhere and return from whenst they came without incident.
This part of the podcast made me realise they ain’t fully clued up
A diamond IS a polygon.
thats the joke
quadrilateral is more correct than diamond
I will fight you
@@maverich767 all quadrilaterals are polygons.
@sayakchakraborty4206 but not all quadrilaterals are diamond. So the better word for that formation is quadrilateral compared to diamond
JJ Bull lowkey my favorite analyst , the guy looks like he knows all the statistics by heart 😭
He's top notch
Yup he is well kind of I prefer seb but he is a massive upgrade on John though
I love JJ because he plays a goofball while he clearly is super knowledgeable and football mad.
I'm obviously biased but I lean towards being hopeful. I think he's exciting, his style is very different, and I think he has a very high ceiling. Hopefully the Utd curse doesn't get him.
Curse? There ain't no curses
Honestly, there isn't no such thing as United curse - coming from someone who has been a fan of United since like 96, all the managerial appointments after SAF tenure hasn't been good enough. None of them made a step up after leaving United. Thing is, our whole football structure is now new and should have the acknowledgment to help the whole footballing department to concure new heights. That being said, Amorim has a lot to prove himself now also to adapt to new league and higher standards.
@@JuriRssame will be said again in 2 years. Just wait
We are always hopeful, but it's the hope that kills us😂
There isn’t a curse just piss poor club management as regards ceo etc until that gets sorted then nothing else will change
I am FC Porto supporter and all I can say is Amorim will change deeply MU if they let him, great communicator and the relationship with the players is like I never saw, he's the boss and like their older brother if it make sense, I never saw him trash any player even if played badly, he always blame himself, he will win the locker room and they will give everything for him, that is his biggest skill, keep the good work guys
Hehe... "I never saw him trash any player even if played badly, he always blames himself..." Well, that makes him a better manager than Ten Hag straight away!
@@bruce.KAY-bike-drifter I hated ETH being so open about players like that. ALWAYS take the heat as manager! It sucks to burn players like he did.
In the "diamond segment" i really expected them to tell that "Diamond is unbreakable"
It's "A Diamond is Forever".
@@davidtuer5825
Also they’re breakable, they can be crushed or chipped. ✌🏼✊🏼
The overlap between JoJo fans and football fans is quite small
@@davidtuer5825 they are referring to something entirely different.
A manga called 'Diamond is Unbreakable'
@@WayofWyrd My reference was to the phrase. Diamonds are Forever which is an advertising slogan from De Beers. If the "diamond" engagement ring you bought for your wife is chipped take it to the "jeweler" who sold it to you and demand your money back.😂😂l
Amorim adapted Wingers to Wingback very well in the last years in Sporting. Nuno Santos was playing Right Winger at Rio Ave and played mostly as LWB in Sporting. Geny Catamo was LW all his career and plays as both RWB and LWB in Sporting. Quenda is another example of player who made is fornation as Winger and it's now playing as Wingback. I think that will be the most interesting to see in Man Utd.
i’m so convinced that amad will become one of the best lwb in the world
JJ is so right…
I have a mini heart attack every time they say “GonçalvEZ” or “FernandEZ” with a spanish accent, instead of “Gonçalves/Gon-sahl-vsh” or “Fernandes/ Fer-nan-dsh” (in portuguese…
Parabens 🎉
Tudo bem!
then don't include the letter E when creating names 😃
@@batsegezich88We still pronounce the E but saying Fer/Nan/ Desh is not the same as Fer/Nan/Dez.
@@batsegezich88he is just giving the syllables phonetically for English speakers that want to nail down the pronunciation, that stuff is hard to translate to text!
Moyes, LVG, Jose, Ole, ETH, were all the right fit, and looked what happened
I hope he knows what he's letting himself in for, intense scrutiny, the gutter press, and so called RUclips fan channels, unrealistic expectations from fans, of instant success. Good luck, he'll need it.
Yep he better be ready for all the bullshit he will have to deal with
I wish him the best, he will need it
For at least 3 of these names, then being "the right fit" is questionable. Man United haven't had proper football leadership for years, so because of that, there was never a clear cut decision on what style of play the club wanted to commit to. That's why all of those managers listed widely vary in terms of their footballing philosophies. It's therefore difficult to say that all (or any) of them were "the right fit"
None of these managers were the right fit simply due to the fact they all had a Glazer ownership and board above them. We could’ve brought Pep in right after Fergie retired and it would’ve went badly. The fact of the matter is, no manager was set up for success under the previous regime. Media of course have their responsibility for the intense scrutiny these managers faced also but that’s what happens when you’re the biggest club in the country. Blaming fans is pretty laughable, no big club supports managers like United do - of course there’s the ridiculous online trolls that all fanbases have but for the most part, all of those managers were supported well past the point they should’ve been. The ‘fans demand immediate success’ talking point is so tired and wrong, no manager post Moyes (since he came in right after we won the league) was expected to win the league in their first season, for example.
Moyes and LVG was never the right fit. Ole didnt have the tactical nous, ETH was exciting but he lacked in charisma and ditched his principles pretty early
The analysis would benefit from looking at the Glasner project at Crystal Palace. He has set up with the very same style of 343, with high wingbacks and two 10s. When it clicked into place last season it was superb, but there was a lot of player turnover in the summer and this season it hasn’t settled yet. The two 10s need very quick minds, the CF must be physically strong and the wingbacks need to run and run.
17:20 "its funny with Mason Mount because he's totally rubbish except for the fact he can play every position on the field" LOL yup that perfectly describes Mount. He's the perfect example of Jack of All Trades Master of None though oftentimes better than master of one
Master of the treatment table...
Mount swindled United 😂 he's already won a CL so he's not chasing trophies he's chasing 🤑💰
It's hard to believe he has a CL 😅
Fernandes has been causing so much chaos in his own team, so I think sticking him in a defined role will help the entire team.
I had this exact thought. Although he’s going to be having some serious muscle memory battles when trying not to move all over the pitch.
@@govithathal2017 you would think that but when he's had a defined role under F. Santos and under Martinez, he's done alright, sometimes amazingly.
Bruno is basically a box to box number 10. Take Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard, add a dash of Bryan Robson and a little bit of Cantona and you get Bruno Fernandes. Lots of energy, all action, creative, covers every blade of grass, scores and makes goals for fun. That makes him perfect for a counterattacking side which is why he was so good under Solskjaer, who I think is the manager who got the very best out of him.
Like Gerrard, he's a Roy Of The Rovers type of player (though Bruno is far more productive, having been the best chance creator in the world for the past 4 or 5 years) but with that comes a lack of positional discipline. It's not that he can't be disciplined. He's done it for Portugal and on a few occasions, for United but you get the sense that if you put him on a leash, you take a lot away from his game. Bruno could absolutely play in a double pivot. He gives the ball away playing in the 10 but that's what 10's do. They take risks. Look at De Bruyne or Messi's stats and you'll see the same thing. On the few occasions he has been asked to play deeper, his pass percentage has gone way up and he's able to dictate the tempo. The reason managers don't play him there more often though is because his chance creation and goal scoring go way down and at United, there's nobody to replace his numbers if you give him a more disciplined role.
Amorim's 3-4-3 system with 2 10's might actually benefit Bruno greatly, giving him the creative freedom he obviously needs but within a structure where he doesn't feel like he needs to cover every single blade of grass. I think a lot of the problem with Bruno, and it happens with a lot of players who are obviously the best player in the team, is that he feels the need to cover for everyone. It's almost like he can't trust the players around him to do their jobs so he needs to do it for them (and if we're being honest, it's not a crazy point of view given how poorly players around him have performed in recent years). The 3-4-3 may help alleviate that issue.
Bruno is a lost rabbit that bounces all over the pitch, but never actually gets involved in the play he is chasing@jedsithor
sticking him in the bin would be a better suggestion. Absolutely atrocious footballer, just does not read the game whatsoever. Ditto to Dalot. Brainless players that get away with it because of occasional moments
All I wish, is that when he leaves United, inevitably, his reputation is enhanced than diminished.
Inevitably? 🤦 He may never leave for a very long time if he's successful
"So say we All!!"
And why is that? You like him on a personal level? Are you cousins? Do u even support United?
If he leaves United with a full head of hair that isn't grey he can call it a win.
@@Dmaj089 i mean he only has a two year contract. That feels like the board doesn't trust him to have a long-term contract.
Even as a United fan something tells me that barring a miracle we’ll be having this same conversation in 2-3 years time.
I can see Amorim activating Alvaro Fernandes buy-back clause from Benfica
That's just you pushing your own thoughts
@loudmouthdiaries5188 that's exactly what the comments section is for😆😆😆
@@GRIMMDOOM1 make no sense.
Alvaro isn't doing that well.
Most people just want him back because of ten hag sent him away
Same way people wanted DVB to play
Because he was playing
No one should listen to fans
@@loudmouthdiaries5188 that's just your own thoughts
Carreras is playing well in Benfica and because of such Amorim got to know him better than if he was on loan at Sampdoria. Makes sense, as the profile is closer than Dalot or Shaw.
If wing backs are to be the intention, I wonder if Harry Amass will get a call up sooner than he might otherwise have got ?
Mazraoui seems a decent shout for the right side. I could see Dalot playing RCB and filling the R wingback role at times.
"A diamond!" That was priceless reaction from Joe. Never change
It's cute how Inter is termed a smaller club where Inzaghi is overachieving. I think you'll need to speak with your very own James Horncastle, who beautifully addressed this very topic in a weekly football podcast episode.
13:30 as a wingback I almost feel like Antony is a wild shout. He’s quite good defensively actually
The question should be in the other way around: is the MU the right project for Amorim?
Well considering he had other offers and said himself, ‘I only wanted United’, I’d say it’s the right project for him.
Imagine if these three had a podcast together? Where they could discuss all football related news
They have. Once a week. Look on podcast Apps. They dont apper on RUclips
On the topic of wingbacks it is worth noting that Rúben Amorim has converted several wingers into wingbacks while at Sporting. Nuno Santos, Geny Catamo and Geovany Quenda were all wingers. Geny is especially interesting because he was a left footed player played mostly as a RWB. Quenda is like that too now, though Sporting have defended in a 4-4-2 shape more often than not this season instead of the defensive line with 5 men. I feel like the 4-4-2 defensive shape could suit the United squad better, particularly when you consider the potential problem with the left side.
Being a Benfica Fan, i Really Wish he was our coach! But one thing Common between a Lot of Fans here in Portugal too is that we are very excited to see Him at United! United has a spot in everyone’s heart because of Ronaldo and what we Watched of him during those days
Did jj say malacia is the most attack minded wingback while shaw mazraoui and dalot are defensive minded? Seriously?
@@aakarmamtora3470 made me laugh too, maybe you could say the other 3 are actually capable of defending while Malacia really isn’t 😂
Correct, JJ said Malacia is the most attack-minded wingback while Shaw, Mazraoui and Dakota are defensive-minded.
Yes, he was making the point seriously.
mineral fan here. Diamonds are not the strongest material on earth, nor naturally occurring, nor in any sense. They're the hardest naturally occurring material. You can't scratch a diamond with a rock, but you can smash one with a rock.
Dutch managers are different. Its a cultural thing. Ten hag is not a bad coach and he will go on and win titles somewhere else but I think Amorim is a better fit for Manchester United
No Dutch manager has ever won English league title, fa cups are what they known for
@@kingsleysummers1410 How many Dutch managers have managed clubs in England that historically win titles? Bobbins stat!
now replace amorim with "ETH" I feel like I've heard all this before
ETH was the author of his own downfall. He was given £200m a year and wasted £616m on the worst players I have ever seen. The ETH fans try to defend his transfers but they can't because they know they are trash. I am a United fan but I knew his talent identification was trash from the beginning. Amorim the coach seems top notch however he won't have a veto over transfers so his success will be partly dependent on Dan Ashworth bringing him the players he needs. I hope Ineos back Amorim and give him the players he needs.
@@almac9203the worst players you've EVER seen? Talk about wild exaggerations
@@Fro19 £616m. Don't forget the price!
@@almac9203 Yoro is the worst player youve ever seen? Onana had a bad start but has grown into one of the best current players.. Hoijlund is great for his age, he just shouldnt have been made the starting striker for a club like united so soon.. Ugarte has hardly played and will hopefully suite Amorim's system since hes played under him before.. Casemiro was great when we bought him and i think he was more of a panic buy who didnt suite ETH's system but he was losing games and had no CDM and the club failed to get his main target
@@richardsutherland1645 you can try to defend the BS signings but deep down you know it would be difficult to spend £616m worse than ETH. ETH talent identification was horrendous. Our squad is full of bang average players and it doesn't look like we spent £616m! BTW Hojlund is great for his age? Dude cost £73m. He certainly isn't great for £73m! Onana is in my opinion worse than Kovar who was £52m cheaper! Casemero was £65m and 30 years old!. You also conveniently left out Antony, Zirkzee and Mason Mount!
I think Antony might have a second chance at United, playing as a wingback. At least until the transfer window.
January he'll be gone
Antony does have a chance without a doubt.
Maybe left wingback
@@reddish8692 Exactly. Let him run up & down the left wing & put in some crosses. Don't give him the pressure of having to score. Give Hojlund some service instead.
That was my thinking get him in at left wingback last chance saloon
On the wingback front....the player you're looking for is Vanderson or Alexander Bah...
I don't want Garnacho or Amad anywhere but in the floating 10s positions. Don't put square pegs into round holes
Ruben might turn Antony into a Class LWB.
Think about it, if he keeps his ego aside, he has everything to play that role, He can defend, he can retain the ball at a every good level, He can run with the ball, and can cross his with the only foot he has,
Maybe what I just said is stupid, but I can see him play there
I think it’s a fair assessment. Fans want rid of Antony for his minimal G/A output - but they absolutely can’t question his work rate and defensive capabilities. He’s probably better at tracking back then our other wingers combined.
Would love to see Antony redeem himself always had a soft spot for him
Would love to see Antony redeem himself always had a soft spot for him
@@IsaacGledhill Me too mate. He’s got so much stick for a price tag he didn’t determine for himself, and has been more reliable than certain players at the club who don’t get anywhere near the abuse.
His problem is that he’s being judged on his attacking output, yet his best work comes as a ball carrier. Perfect for a LWB imo. Just needs to work on his crossing.
Either that or the right inner forward, see how he uses trincao or Marcus Edwards. Which is sad because if he actually plays good, he won't be memed to oblivion no more.
I hope Joe is doing okay. The way he's moving in his chair to switch between looking at the other Js really suggests he's got a back/neck issue.
Ibrahimovic is correct. MU need a manager that can manage and stroke their players ego.
Zlatan was talking about the fact that great coaches can work with the best, the biggest, and usually at the same time, the most complex personalities, which Ten Hag couldn't do. and as for ego, Zlatan would know, as he is himself, an extremely egotistic buffoon.
Could have explored why he is obsessed with a back 3. He lost his first two games as a manager, when he played with a back 4. This has been a differentiating factor for him
The importance of the central defender in his teams is a crucial one. They often start the offense play, they have the liberty to move out of position and many times they are even the play makers. On most teams this player is barely substituted, with Amorim, it's odd not to see a central defender being substituted every week. Once you see his teams playing you'll understand why. The 3 is just the starting point, they are so much more.
You can literally draw a diamond for Benfica for all of those stills.
Yep. Or indeed with any four players anywhere on a pitch.
Seeing the MU players in a 3-4-3 as presented here, it seems to make more sense then I initially expetected. Ruben Amorim is a great coach. Let him do his thing without any expectations for this season and I'm sure MU will have a wonderful time with him.
I'm sure he will also have a great relation with the team and with the press. His soft skills are top notch. Always a very focused, very relaxed and friendly approach.
The diamond thing I never really understood. You can draw diamonds on almost any position if you're really looking for them.
Cynically, I agree. It's easy to pause footage and draw shapes and pass it off as analysis, Shearer has been doing it for years on MotD. But perhaps I'm being cynical like I say and there's something more to it.
Davies/Frimpong are the perfect option for an Amorim team. Being Man U you can bring in that talent. Madrid are focusing on a RB like Trent and a CB to pair alongside Rudiger. So Davies may be the “third” signing they try to make and you can potentially snag him as making him a priority.
I genuinely cried while watching the first minutes, and see how he transformed my club and I hope we will transform my other club. Thank you mìster!
Was waiting for this. Best tactical breakdown I've watched so far
Hes used to be beating many2 very easy teams in the league. EPL anyone can beat anyone anyday. Wolves 19th and Southamptopn 20th. These two can easily get top 4 in portuguese league. Stay composed and watch how it goes first will ya.
Wolves would win that league every year😂
@@shadow_realm47No it wouldn't
@@shadow_realm47very unlikely
I believe the players are an alined with the pressing than the other managers used to come in just attacking football.
I just hope he succeeds. Seems a genuine fella.
Between these videos and the podcasts y'all have been busy! Love it and I love that it's all long form stuff. I'll take all I can get!
I've never seen John look so animated and excited!
Basically exactly what McKenna at Ipswich primarily tries but is adapter to team he is facing sometimes. So will be interesting to see same style vs each other!
Great video as usual. I gotta get it off my chest though, Joe Devine always gives me such strong Mark Corrigan vibes 😆
Hey great video, as always, but I have to say two things - Amorim also played for Belenenses and he only won 1 supercup with Sporting CP.
That ending 😂 but seriously some good points throughout the video. The last, and most important, point being switching to a bath three mentality and recruiting strategy could pay off or it could backfire heavily - like so many of the decisions over the last decade
i loved the end bit about the concrens over amorim's back 3 shape and whether there is any flexibility over it . but what i would say is even though sporting dont do it often there are certain games where their players rotate with the wing backs coming in and the wide forwards holding the width , thats in some cases but with better players around him now he might use that more often .
Is the cameraman on crack?! Every time they put up something I'm trying to read it immediately switches to something else 😂
It’s the editor who you want smoke with, not the cameraman. Bro just sits and presses record 😂😂
Read more quickly
Think first thing he has to get right first is our pressing patterns and how or where we press. Reason why we’re so easy to bypass is our pressing at times looks uncoordinated
he needs the players on board. he needs them to work for him and believes in him
There’s nothing wrong with our initial press, we won the ball high up more than any other team in the league last season.. The problem is how deep the defence is, they drop off which leaves a massive gap between the defence and the attack, one pass and you’re running at the defence.. If Ten Hag got the backline to push up high he’d still be United manager.
Amorim's career path, so far, is very similar to that of SAF, Brian Clough, Jose Mourinho. He's come from nowhere to do brilliantly with two or three clubs at the bottom end of the leagues. Let's hope he can push on. It took SAF 5 years to develop United, I doubt Amorim will be allowed that time though. edit:- typo.
truly enjoyed this lads. cheers. im a fan. 2 footballs channels for me. fabrizio romano and the athetic. im sorted
It's worth mentioning in terms of converting attackers into wing backs that Saka began in the arsenal system as a defender, he had the chance at that slow process of putting him in there as opposed to abruptly expecting any current man united winter to become that role so quickly.
In Sporting we have Quenda, left footed, playing on the right side of defense, cutting inwards in conjunction with Trincão (10 on the right) and the midfielder on the right, to create an overload on that side of the pitch that allows Quenda to cut inwards for a shot or a cross to the second post (with the left foot the cross can be easily directed to the goal and a minimum deflect can turn into a goal), that also allows to drag the left back or the center defender to be dragged inwards and provide space for Trincão to drible between lines, wich is a strong aspect of both players.
Saying this, I can see Garnacho play on the right side when Man Utd play against "weaker" teams.
Tifo gang, whatever you are doing right here right now I love
Please keep doing more of this, its so good ❤
He is right bhai there is a fine line between hate and criticism. Unnecessary hatred is not required.
What I must say is that Maguire doesn’t have the feet to play with Amorim. Only if he places him in the center as basically a libero just playing to the sides. But even there…
Relative to WBs, he adapted wingers with success, the latest being Quenda, which is basically a massively talented winger, like Nani or a Quaresma, and he’s playing there. He just started a this season, he is 17, and is working wonders.
I think it doesn't really matter because eventually Bruno and Rashford will hate him and want him out
Bruno was coached by him in Sporting and wouldn’t be half the player he is if it wasn’t for Amorim. They are friends.
Bruno will try to ruin his life.
@@ruialmeida7199 o bruno nao foi treinado pelo amorim, lol. quando o pessoal fala sem saber o que está a dizer...
04:24 that conversation was funny. Like 2 weirdos in a pub 🤣🤣
JJ was right about it being about hiring someone young who has already overachieved - and Amorim fits that bill... Winning 2 titles in 4 seasons (with a likely 5th this season) with Sporting is akin to what Fergie achieved ' Aberdeen or what Klopp did with Dortmund. This season could be bumpy but prople do seem to forget that Jose & Ole played a back 3 at times and as i understand it, the WB role under Amorim is similar to a wide midfielder in a traditional 4-4-2 - something our FB's are suited to and could maybe work for Antony &/or Amad. I think the twin 10 set up may suit Rashford as well - he is hitting some excellent passes and crosses this season and not being required to hug the wing might suit him and give him the ball in that left side of the box channel that he can be devastating in.
But he needs his squad to stay fit - something that ETH never got a handle on given how this season has panned out so far...
You need to see more games of Amorim' s Sporting... The team defends many times in 442... But depends most of the oponent...
Good podcast with great insights loved it
Class video 👏🏻
LOL Amorim's tactics at Sporting are too complicated for Yanited players. They will revert to default settings by next season.
You thinking Amorim's tactics are somehow complicated says more about you than anything else haha
Lol ok troll
More simple than ETH less rotations if the players don't get this we're cooked
@@danielca3 can't wait for the eventual circle jerk between UK pundits and ''journalists'' when Southgate gets the job around 2027 🤫
By next week😂
Oky, this is actually very accurate analysis. EPL coaches will be ready, i hope he’s flexible enough to adopt whn he gets found out
This is such a great analysis of the situation vs Sky's ridiculously watered down drivel they've been pumping out then recycling for the past week 😂
If i see their transfer 'expert' tell us one more time he doesn't actually know the answer to any of the asked questions, and he's gonna sit on the fence, I will absolutely lose it 😒
Keep it up chaps!
Mazraoui is perfect for the wingback role, as is Shaw (if fit). Malacia also fits the profile, but will he make a comeback? There's also talk of buying back Alvaro Fernández from Benfica in January.
The odd man out in this system is Garnacho, and to a certain degree Bruno. All other players can fit neatly into the needed positions. Especially Rashford (who benefits from playing closer to the middle) and Amad (who can play a 10-ish role on the right). Martínez - De Ligt - Yoro is a perfect backline, as is Mainoo - Ugarte in midfield.
I think back three systems might be the next natural evolution of football. Most teams play a 325 type shape by dropping a fullback or a midfielder into the back three when in possession. But there is a lot of upside from having an actual CB playing at CB throughout the game.
If you were to name the five best young managers in the game right now that list would probably include Amorim, Alonso, Inzaghi, and Hoeness. All of which are having success using a 343 shape. Which suggests that it might well be the next meta in football. If United are ahead of rhw curve with this then it has massive upside. Especially when you consider that Pep is probably in his final year or two at City.
If not then there are several examples of coaches who have had success with a back three and developed themselves to use a back four system, such as Tuchel and Naglesmann. A great tactical mind will be able to grow and adapt. I think Amorim fits that mould.
I think a different scenario for Bruno could be more of a 3-4-1-2 playing Bruno as the 1 between Ugarte and Mainoo, and the forwards. Lets you either play both Højlund and Zirkzee or a combo of one of them and Amad/Rashford/Garnacho etc.
Could allow him to play the role he’s best at as well as getting more forwards onto the pitch??
very valid points, especially who plays where and a back three coach being able to evolve as well as the up and down side of back 3 systems and teams. i really hope he ca evolve to a ack 4 and do it very well
Back 4 teams inevitably use back 3 during build up anyway. I don't see the fuss.
@nananou1687 I am not saying there is a fuss. But a amorim's back 3 uses wingbacks as primary source of width and like the analysis shows, their attacking abilities ought to be top notch.
Back 4 uses wingers usually good at going past opponents and are dynamic to cut in or go outward which wing backs may not afford u often. But also their creativity is also limited but stoppable unlike a winger like rashford or saka who will give u all attack options.
@@claywandera2486right! Fair points
JJ is my favorite human
Excited to see what Amorim can get out of Højlund. I think it's a potentially very exciting partnership
Valencia, Young prove it CAN be done but you lose attacking output from your best wingers when you convert them to wing backs.
Pretty nice one, thx guys. Good pick or not: ManU stands at 14 now, so any quick fix coach would do in the short term. The longterm question of the 3 cb's is the more critical.
lovely as always
Fun video as always. I think a bit too much emphasis on the wing back thing being a risk, a fullback who can attack is not uncommon these days. Shaw and Dalot are decent going forward, both would probably be better given license to bomb on and not worrying about inverting. If we do dip into the market just don't sign one who gets a nosebleed running towards his own goal.
Honestly the formation might work for United. The extra center back may help against the late goals from crosses. Plus Maguire and Mount both had their best performances in a 3-4-3, and Fernandes would be slotted into that right hand channel where he usually drifts into anyways, so it looks comfortable for him. Change might be good for United in this sense.
good work guys
I feel Ruben should consider using a 4-3-3 instead of a 3-4-3 we keep stating this is his go to formation, but I'm not sure if he stuck with that formation because of the players he had at Sporting or if he simply prefers it. Obviously formations don't really matter ,rather the style of play is more important. Still if he adopts a 4-3-3, this united team might be able to do well as opposed to forcing players who can't play wing back to play as wing backs. Perhaps he might try out a back 3 and find out that the team can't handle it and he revert back to a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.
No. Amorim does not change the model, he changes the personel. A more defensive wing back makes it look like 4 defender line, or even 2 and it looks like a 5 defender line, yet the spaces, movements and responsibilities are stable. After 10 to 20 games all players understand how to play their position. Then Amorim starts teaching a second position to all players. Any comparison with ETH is ridiculous. But you'll see...
Well on the positive side he had a presser saying other clubs came in for him offered triple the clause he said no he wanted United. It was now or never for him.
I am not even from Sporting (Benfica fan), but I am really really excited by this.
Given how Ten Hag’s Ajax tactics bore no resemblance to his Utd team it will be interesting to see if this conversation turns out to be in anyway relevant to Amorim’s Utd. My question would be if Ten Hag hadn’t taken over Utd who would you pick Erik or Amorim? Hopefully the latter!
Casemiro is best suited to play as the libero in between the two centre backs with Martinez doubling up as LB by splitting with De Ligt. We need one of our many wingers to play as RWB though instead of Dalot there as Dalot's output is low. Mazraoui as LWB is suitable though. Something like this 3-4-3:
Garnacho Hojlund Fernandes
Mazraoui Ugarte Mainoo Diallo/Rashford
Martinez Casemiro De Ligt
Onana
United's issues goes pretty deep and cannot be solved by changing manager. But Amorim is certainly a great choice and a good start. He will bring the best out of the players, but the problem is that the quality of the existing players is not that good. Utd need to spend a decent amount this summer and then give Amorim the time he needs.
Manchester United is the biggest club in the world. Period. After all the failures still the world revolves around...you guessed it right, UNITED.
I feel like buying in wingbacks that are giants, but with the characteristics of wingbacks would be incredible.
Better In the air than wingers and fullbacks and players like Haaland would struggle to find a player to physically outmatch.
Pulling a large striker to the fullback is an easy way to play long/score back stick crosses.
Those introductory waves... always crack me up 😅
Normally Amorim has 2 profiles by position. Although its a 3 man defensive line, where he gets his height for dead balls, he can use 3 CBs or 1 or 2 CBs and one right or left defender, that will push up and support the wing back in games that the opposition is playing the bus. This idea is also common to all the other positions. Sometimes he plays 2 strikers and a 10, sometimes the attacking midfielders are dribblers other times they are possession players. The positions dont change, the roles are stable, so its not on the players to adapt to an opponent but on Amorim to choose the right players for the opponent. This creates a lot of trust from the players. In this system, his double midfield pivot are the ones to be more valuable, so Mainoo is going to blossom.
There are a couple of heavy earners that dont have the quality or health to be an option and this is where United will need to invest. Invest in loosing these guys, like Rashford, Shaw, Maguire and Fernandes, maybe even Eriksen and Casemiro. Amorim values very old players if they have the right mentality at training to ensure the team has the proper spirit.
Sancho would fit very well if United can recover him. Amorim is patient and sensitive to players moments and feelings, he would not scale the war like ETH. Much before everyone knows there's a problem the player is already out and looking for a new club. I feel this is the expected pain point for United. Spending money to loose players instead of spending to get them.
Obviously the league is much harder but the 343 allows flexibility and he keeps winning matches against very defensive teams while playing like this.
Atalanta played a similar system. Hoijlund was their Viktor. And Amad played as a RWB at times for Atalanta. United have the players. Yoro as the right sided centre-back. De-Ligt and Maguire as the CB in the center. And Martinez and Shaw as the left sided CB. Mount/Garnacho as the LWB.
I think Ugarte and Casemiro is an interesting topic. IMO when Casemiro has played as a CB he has not been as awful as sometimes the media says he was... as a Madrid supporter all of us know Casemiro with the ball isn't as bad as he is pictured to by the English media as soon as he fucks up BUT is better if he has to have the ball as little as possible.
So I feel at 31 or 32 that he is, and as someone who was a forward in youth football, the narrative of him being the central and more conservative centre back in a back 3 ticks that Beckenbauer-Matthaus career path in which they get progressively more defensive but it ends up suiting them.
I know he hasn't been amazing when played CB but IMO if he was to be a full time CB and not a fill in CB, and specially in a back 3, it could end up good for him.
Onana
De Ligt-Casemiro-Licha
Mazraoui-Ugarte-Mainoo-Dalot
Bruno-Rashford
Rasmus
Is what I feel makes sense, but what you think makes sense in football often ends up not working. But I really feel Licha is more flexible than what we have seen him at United, early on at Ajax he played as a DM, and Casemiro full time CB in a 3, can be a surprise.
The Gyokeres topic I have a verdict on that. He is good, but im not sure other than the manager link he convinces me enough to:
A be crucial to buy, I feel Rasmus and Zirkzee can be polished
B Even if Vlahovic was more pricey I don't see why or how someone would prefer Gyokeres to Vlahovic
I don't know if Vlahovic is linked to Man U but Im a huge fan of him and I feel, along with Chiesa, they have suffered from Juventus suffering (but over performing ironically) the last couple of seasons with Allegri. Im not aware how is he doing with Motta tbh but if Man U has targeted two summers in a row two of the most good yet meh Serie A forwards, why not the mf that when good is amazing, and when not he is, at least in my eyes, better than Hojlund and Zirkzee?
That's my view on it, Vlahovic is younger than Gyokeres as well but both are young so yeah.
I do hope so but I have a feeling he will struggle especialy if some of United players are not shown the DOOR. If not I feel another bag is packed. As you can see I am neither confident nor jumping for joy. He will find it HARD to "Make a slik purse out of a Sows ear"That is amount of faith I have in this Bunch. In all my 65 years in supporting this Club I have never witnessed the absalute Mess this Club has become. I wish him all the Luck in the World He is deffinatly going to need IT! I watched the replay United v Chelsea Thinking things had changed since Ten Hag left and to my Surprise NO CHANGE, GREAT! and once again I switch over and watched another match. There you lot go anylising Amorins tactics BUT will this bunch except it and not whing. United in name only the GREAT DAYS ARE OVER until new players are brought in. How much More money to throw at the Problem?. A good mid table Club, that is if theyare not fighting Relegation.
United need to buy wingbacks of high caliber like Frimpong if they want this system to work, current options dont cut it unless Amorim does some magic on them
What about Dalot? He seems like a modern wingback, but I'm ignorant on the kind of wingbacks Amorim uses in his system.
@@MistaZULE I'm not sure Dalot is all that great at anything tbh.
He can look good on the ball, but he isn't effective enough imo, and United always seem vulnerable on whichever side he is on if he isn't tasked with specifically man marking his player out of the game.
Seems a nice guy but...
Alphonso Davies was linked before; even if Utd ultimately decide to keep the back 4, a fullback upgrade is overdue - Maz was a step in the right direction but money no object I'd buy one on each side, sell Dalot and one of Shaw/Malacia. Love Shaw, but never fit
@@ronanfitzpatrick1261 that's fair, but he's responsible for many goals over the last few years with his cross and good linkup play on the wings. Not a fan of his defending, but his attacking is great.
@@MistaZULE I think some of his play is good, but I'd want more frequent contributions from him. I think he only has something like 8 league assists in 6 seasons which isn't great considering the positions he gets in and far forward he often gets.