State of Play in the South China Sea | Fourteenth Annual South China Sea Conference
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The CSIS Southeast Asia Program and Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative are pleased to present the Fourteenth Annual South China Sea Conference on Thursday, July 11, 2024, from 9:00 am-4:00 pm ET. This full-day conference will provide opportunities for in-depth discussion and analysis of developments in the South China Sea over the past year and potential paths forward. Panels will address the state of play in the South China Sea, legal developments and dispute management, evolving alliance networks, and the role of outside parties, such as the Quad, AUKUS, and Europe.
This event is made possible by support from the FESS Foundation, the Embassy of Australia, the Embassy of New Zealand, the Embassy of the Philippines, and the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office of the United Kingdom.
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They should invite Richard Heydarian for Philippine representative.
It’s a straight forward, follow international law, no one is above the law. It’s not because China is a big country with big military force that would make them turn white to gray or black.
Why is here international law for? Is it only for big counties ?
Respect the decision of the UNCLOS and the rule of law must be followed...
unclos does not have the legal right at all to address any territorial dispute， you should know that before u made your comment here
@@tongwu4667 ayungin shoal is covered by UNCLOS hope to have informed you.
@@arturoamistad5065 unfortunately arbitration needs agreement between the parties. Go to check the arbitration definition
@@tongwu4667 The decision of the UNCLOS is final and binding and according to the international court china's claim in some territorial waters of the West Philippine Sea is purely illegal and has no basis. China is really an expansionist country
...so funny, you have a south china sea conference and you dont have Philippine representation? Your points of view have zero value without the most important point of view...The Philippines and Taiwan. This conference is a joke!
You always make the same ignorant point on every panel no matter how often it is explained to you. You did it last season, too. Ya need new material, Mr. Wumao. These words have become stale.
@GeoScorpion and you are a very intelligent human being given the fairness this debate has.
Congratulations. Don't reproduce 😅😂
@@GeoScorpion bro wumao are Chinese paid bots... This guy is clearly pro Philippines...
You have the slightest idea who you're replying with.
They are pro china😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Missy_potato Hong is. She has the unenviable job of directing ICAS which tries to persuade America to accept the 9-dash line. LOL!
The Chinese participant clearly did not read the 2016 Arbitral Ruling that addresses the issues she presented. China's Position Paper and non-appearance in the Arbitration sufficiently represented its stance in the matter, so it should abide by the decision.
the 2016 ruling was staged by the US, and was done without Chinese participation, thus, not acceptable.
That is a retarded viewpoint, since the Arbitration had no jurisdiction.
any arbitration will need both sides' agreement to participate the arbitration process， otherwise， it is useless！
@@tongwu4667 As I mentioned, China submitted a position paper to represent it's view on the issue. UNCLOS also has provisions that allow for parties to apply for exemptions. China's rationale for exemption was insufficient and was thus denied. It isn't the fault of the Philippines that China lacks the capability to present legal evidence for its claims.
@@SeaKrait571 an arbitration is an arbitration, it needs agreements between all parties involved! again, unclos does not have the legal right to address any territorial disputes!
The history must be respected -
The Philippines was allowed to be independent in July 1946 by the US, but the South China Sea was not included because -
The 11 dash lines in the South China Sea were published by the Chinese government in 1934 but were captured by the Japanese invasion in WWIl. In 1946, the US navy gave the Chinese Navy 4 battle ships to help the Chinese Navy to reclaim the 11 dash lines and renamed the 4 major/largest islands with the names of the 4 battle ships ... Respect the history!
The Vietnamese resource woman has been paid severely by China. What the heck.
Life is simple! Follow the law! No one is above the law! UNCLOS
Short but concise. Yet, cannot be understood by those barbaric pirates.
Obedience to the law makes peace. Breaking it makes war!!!
Correct
Life is basically simple, that is quite true. Sadly , the laws have emerged.
@@juanpaulo u ought to force the US to sign the UNCLOS first😂
I sort of feel sorry for Hong Nong from ICAS in DC. I remember a Foreign Policy article by Isaac Stone Fish who was the Asia Editor at FP from 2014-2016. The July 7, 2016 article. "Beijing Establishes a D.C. Think Tank, and No One Notices: China is trying, and mostly failing, to build U.S. support for its claims in the South China Sea." Although Hong, according to the article, maintains that ICAS is independent, it is clear in this panel 8 years later that her hands are still tied by Beijing and that she still hasn't figured out how to get an untenable, illogical legal position accepted.
I do admire her steadfastness, though. Too bad Beijing doesn't seem to reward such loyalty to the 9-dash-hopeless-cause.
Obedience to the law makes peace. Breaking it makes war!!!
You did not see what happened in Ukraine and Russia Israel and palestine alot of people died we just protect our territory but we don't want war
@@adznajaitun7783blame the trespassers and invaders, i know that you knew about russia and hamas and china...
@@jojo14deguzman89 first of all, you ought to make it clear which law you are referring to! If you talk about your Philippines laws, why do other countries need to follow it?
The Chinese have already picked on Viet Nam in 1956, 1974 on Paracel and in 1988 on Spratly by force.
The Chinese guy did not answer the last gentleman 's question.
respect other countries national interest distribute wealth of the world to all equally world wealth not only to xhina big nation help small no influences corruption exploitation no debt trap no expansionism no oitlaw there lasting peace the world at peace without china
true！The Philippines was allowed to be independent in July 1946 by the US, but the South China Sea was not included.
The 11 dash lines in the South China Sea were published by China government in 1934 but were captured by the Japanese invasion. In 1946, the US navy gave the Chinese Navy 4 battle ships to help the Chinese Navy to reclaim the 11 dash lines and renamed the 4 major/largest islands with the names of the 4 battle ships ... Respect the history!
@@tongwu4667 1898 your gnorance lead to ur arrogance return tibet manchuria create peace in korean peninsula stop greedy expanionism stop outlaw everyone all if u see this citizen respect them moon also belong to u
much interesting if theres Philippines representative
it is a useless forum, cause their is no Philippines represent
@@joshuacatan6724 I definitely agree with you same to the verdict at UNCLOS.
They are pro China
Is the philippines not invited in the forum?? China was invited in the arbitration but did not participate.
What a stupid comment. Let me ask you theb, Do you see any representative from the Philippines here? 😂
The Philippines must change strategy in it's re-supply mission in it's grounded warship BRP Sierra Madre in
the Ayungin shoal by using
donated transport helicopters
from USA and Japan to be
secured by at least 3 assault
Helicopters bought from Turkey.
To deescalate, every country should respect international law! Simple as that!
@@verzcatubig8120 which law?
@tongwu4667 Are u stupid? I already mentioned. Or do you think your communist country law is international law!
The militia there cooking drugs
The chinese expert (that lady over there) conveniently skirts over the real issue of China's continued violation of UNCLOS that it signed in 1982. She also ignores that China is more powerful militarily and economically than the Philippines, and thus, bilateral relations between the two is useless when one of the two parties always works in bad faith. The Philippines has had 17 years of bilateral negotiations with China, and yet not once did China budge or compromised or met the Philippines in the middle, while PH was always on the receiving end of aggression similar to Vietnam. I also notice how she pulls away the mic from her mouth whenever she is about to say something controversial and clearly pro-China stances. And how is she an expert on the issue when she leads efforts on climate change? I would rather have a level-conversation with someone who really knows how arbitration process works and how international law is always RIGHT vs. MIGHT. Always remember that China is engaged in disputes with 14 other countries. It shows you who the real aggressor is. I hope ASEAN members realize this soon. They have their own stakes in the South China Sea. Siding with the Philippines means siding with their own maritime interests in the high seas.
JUST GIVE ME BACK MY CORALS AND MY FISHING GROUNDS FOOLS DUDE.
China Propaganda! Payed by xi jinping!!😂😂😂😂😂
Blah, blah, blah, blah, people who’re 5000 miles away from the crisis! Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!
You seem ignorant. The USA is a Pacific nation. Japan and the US literally share a maritime border (Attu). We have more shoreline on the Pacific than China has shoreline and have more territorial waters in the Western Pacific than China (if you discount the illegal 9- and 10-dash-lines)
We're not 5,000 miles away: The CCP's China is our annoying, mobile-home-owning backyard neighbor.
Waste of discussion.
Bring on a CCP, a Filipino and a Taiwanese scholars instead.😢
"I have two points on the current debate" - after 10 hours of word salad
This discussion is meaningless in relation to Real Politik. Who will enforce the law against China?
You're the one who's meaningless.
@@juanpaulosome nation/s does not respect International Law...
@@olderchin1558 which law?
@@tongwu4667 watch the discussion again.
International law is very important to every nation,must follow &norm,the earth need peace,no one is above the law, God is also have a law,everything what we have is from God,spread love,unite,&peace
Chinese rep. Ms. Hong Nong seems surprised about the negative public attention theyre receiving Internationally as if illegal, coercive and intrusive actions by China does not deserve condemnation. at the very least, China can complain about reputational damages all it wants, but it isn't the one suffering from actual intrusions and violations of a country state's legal and sovereign rights. China does not get to play as a victim here.
RESPECT INTERNATIONAL LAW FIRST!!! UNCLOS, BEFORE OTHERS WILL RESPECT YOUR ONE CHINA POLICY..... WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO OTHERS WILL FIREBACK TO YOU 100 TIMES....
South China Sea must be renamed to Asian Sea or South East Asia Sea so that China will not be claiming the whole sea as theirs.
Oh, and the the Questioner at 00:47:00 said he was from the "Defense of Freedom Institute" which is one of the listed (p.11) Advisory Board members for "Project 2025", a blueprint for a very UNFREE, China-like United States.
It seems only China's & Vietnam's points are considered here. WHERE IS THE PHILIPPINES' representation?!!!!
I just want to add a few words on the last words of the panel, in particular to miss Hong Nong's answer:
If this non-existent gentlemen's agreement was the main reason that China is citing on why it is picking on the Philippines this time in particular, then why just bring it up now? It only started getting brought up in the spring of this year while China has started the brazen bullying of the Philippines since 2022.
Even if this gentleman's agreement exist, so what? Does it supersede actual international law and legally binding ruling like the arbitration ruling in the Philippines favor exactly 8 years ago today in 2016? It's a very disingenuous and intellectually wrong justification. It's literal 'he said she said and the Chinese intellectual foreign relations community can do better than that.
The arbitration ruling is ilegal and invalid due to one party’s absence.
The laws and agreements between Spain and USA, which decided Philippine territory, didn’t include any reef/island in the South China Sea.
Philippines’ ambition in the South China Sea is like a serpent trying to swallow an elephant.
@@julioduan7130 "The arbitration ruling is ilegal and invalid due to one party’s absence."
Answer: You clearly didn't read the whole UNCLOS provision. A party's refusal to join an arbitration is not a bar to the proceedings. And China's signing and ratification of UNCLOS binds it to the said provision by default. Therefore, the arbitration ruling is legal, final and binding.
"The laws and agreements between Spain and USA, which decided Philippine territory, didn’t include any reef/island in the South China Sea."
Answer: That is true, with regards to the Treaty of Paris. Then, a Spanish outpost in Sulu Sibutu refused to vacate despite US demands because the former alleged it is outside the limits of the Treaty of Paris. US says ALL Spanish possessions that comprise ALL Philippine territories must be CEDED. Hence, they signed the Treaty of Washington where it clearly specified -- all other Spanish possessions that comprises the Philippine territory OUTSIDE the limits of the Treaty of Paris is further CEDED to the United States. AND...
that includes Scarborough Shoal and the Spratlys. Proof - Spanish Verlarde Map of 1700s which bears the Royal Insignia of Spain, showing the Scarborough and Spratlys as Spanish colonial possessions in entirety of what is now Philippine territory.
Chinese ambition in the South China Sea has no historical and legal basis, only motivated by pure, unabashed greed.
@@marieclaire3670Ultimately the Philippines thinks it have the right to enforce their claim on China. Enforce it then.
@@olderchin1558"Ultimately the Philippines thinks it have the right to enforce their claim on China. Enforce it then."
That is of course, the language of a hoodlum and a bully.
A big bully takes the property of a much smaller guy, then dares him to retake said property.
@@marieclaire3670 Sometimes people need a remember of reality. There has been many judgements and claims made against the US and lets not forget its many war crimes and invasions. Nobody is going to attack the USA and those that tries don't do well. China today is peer to the US, if not a stronger opponent in its home tuff.
This confrontational approach by the Philippines is not going anywhere and very likely suicidal. It is placing itself between 2 superpower who are playing chicken, in a number of possible avenues for the showdown. The war weary Vietnam takes a less confrontation approach even after actual war with China. This is a no win situation for the Philippines.
Chinese Orcs/Pirates trying to destroy the peace in the region
This Chinese woman who she said a student of international law but why China show it's transparent document. She is not the right person in this forum.
Respect the international law and respect the rights of west Philippines sea
@@cindypangyao where is west Philippines Sea? On the moon?😂
@@tongwu4667 u find map 🗺️..u can find it there or maybe u also did not know how to read English…I can teach u 🤣🤣🤣
@@tongwu4667 maybe I can teach u where is west Philippines sea 🌊..😂😂😂that is in west part of the Philippines 🇵🇭..u didn’t know Philippines win against china 🇨🇳 in international law 😂😂😂
@@cindypangyao really？why did the Filipino Sailers surrender to the Chinese Coast Guard? Did it happen in the west Philippines Sea?
@@cindypangyaoI found no international map Mark west Philippines sea but it's south china sea.
Free navigation WPS
State of play in SCS topic? However not all players has representatives? What a joke of a conference? Seem the organisers is favouring one side?
The Law is weak if not inforced.
Follow the rules of laws.
US started that region make worry all neighbours countries.
The United States can be and should be a mediator . . .
There is no such thing as 9-dash line. It is illegal.
Good all asia work together South east Asian and central Asia one asia
one sided forum,,, why no PH rep there and other players ...
We must report this
I don't know what Philippines is doing not to deescalate the situation. Philippines is trying to do everything deescalate the situation. Superpower is just standing by, not escalating the situation. That's where I don't understand where they are escalating
If you can't speak English in an understandable way, you shouldn't accept invitations to such forums.
Nine dash LIES!
Starts 6:21
Ms. Lily is so beautiful and smart
Bias
Bias😂😂😂😂
Common be fair phillipines and the others countries must thier to explained to be ask by you guys..this is so unfair...international law is right..
🌐🌏🌎🌍🪐🇵🇭🚩🏴💫🕊️ono⚖️🪔🕯️⚡
a lot of B.S. on this propaganda!
Huuuuuh????
ASEAN , china must be strong economic development made it great growth ok
Even to the rich in the world very own gov will have difficulty to handle their bad being now Philippines are lucky to meet a reasonable super power yet it seems like Filipino looking for a war, right now finally China are also working towards that direction so soon we'll need not see this news anymore.
You're delusional. The smart thing that the Philippines did was to start bring reporters aboard and start filming. It is indisputable that The PLAN and marine militia (also called pirates and legally can be sunk since they are not military or bear markings of any State) are the aggressors AND that they lie right to our faces as if they (and you) can convince us that our eyes did not see what our eyes just saw. You're a clown. 🤡 BTW, how's the "🛢⛽cooking oil" and "💩-drinking-water", lately, or do you get access to the CCP's private stash of food reserved for the elites?
@@hengcheonglow5791 reasonable? Since when is bullying reasonable behavior?
@@Wumao50c Philippines action is robbery and UNCLOS verdict without Chinese presents if you still think your action verified. Kindly compared US and Russia if Filipino are dealing with. That the reasons why I said REASONABLE!
All i can say that China is use its power to bully small nation..it is what it is .. China is not trustworthy at all!!
@@hengcheonglow5791 without Chinese? That’s because they didn’t attend knowing full well they will lose the case. Chinese dash lines doesn’t even have any legal basis so when did Philippines actions become robbery? You think building military bases in South China Sea is reasonable compared to U.S. and Russia? What makes you think china will stop there? What are the military bases for? Displays?
if about HISTORICAL rights.... China is not valid.... who are nearest in that sea and islands... the nearest are the one who are the 1st fishing in that sea....
The Chinese lady speaks shady as its ccp shady tactics, she's hard to understand 😂