Recently I developed an open source UEFI module to get Resizable BAR working on Ivy Bridge and newer systems. It gave me an upto 12% performance increase in some games would be interesting to see it tested on more systems
Is it open source/released somewhere? I flip a lot of old PCs and always have to benchmark them before reselling. This is anywhere from Haswell, over Zen 1 to Zen 3. So if you need testers, maybe I can provide some insight. Also a software developer myself, but have never looked into UEFI at all.
I cannot recommend this rig more. It was a cold night in 2014 and I heard a noise downstairs, so I grabbed my trusted side panel and went down stairs. The handle grip is perfect and allowed me to protect myself against any individual who came in. Who knows what would've happened without this pc.
I find this sort of stuff just as entertaining as newer gear, just in different ways. Wouldnt use it as a main rig, but its always fun seeing what older gear can do. Im also into a few "alternative" OSes where new hardware is very rarely, if ever supported, so systems like this are often the high end of what they can use.
Same here. New parts are usually out of both my budget and needs. All of them are a great choice for my use case so nothing really interesting there. My 3600 will do just fine for years to come as I can't afford top of the line GPU to make it a bottleneck anyway and I don't really need it either. I just love old hardware for some reason though. I currently have one Haswell Xeon build and already have parts for Sandy Xeon build as well.
@@Negiku I'm a single bloke with no kids and fortunate enough to have a decent amount of disposable income, so have an r9 5900x and just bought an i9-13900k (do a bit of video editing, 3d rendering and a lot of code compiling, so high end gear is useful to me), but I have just as much fun, possibly more with lower end stuff. For me new stuff is more like a tool. Something I use for work. I do use it to game on at times, but I'm approaching 50 years old more quickly than I'd like, so my hobby side of computing is more geared towards retro, a little older, and stuff that is aging, but still capable. New stuff just works without having to think much about and without needing to tweak, etc. I love tweaking and seeing how far you can push things, which is a part of the hobby missing with new stuff. I've got systems ranging from commodore 64 to Amigas to 486's and pentiums, p3s and athlon xp, core2duo and quads, 1st gen i7's, 4th gen i5's, 7th gen I3 and i7's, a 6 core xeon based on 1st gen i-core (x5690), a small form factor i7-8700k, plus my modern systems. Bought about 5 dozen gpus from different eras over the last 6 months too. Just wanted to cover all possible bases of the hobby. I plan on starting a RUclips channel very soon (just recently started writing some scripts for 1st videos) covering the 8th gen i7 and earlier and the sort of fun I like to have with them, which is why I hoarded a decent collection of gear :) Sharing a hobby and the things you do with that hobby makes it more fun, so a RUclips channel seemed a good idea :) And damn, this ended up a much larger wall of text than I'd originally planned. Think I mightve over-elaborated out of fear of it coming across as a weird geek flex, whereas really I'm just a big nerd who loves the hobby :)
@@beezle1976 that's amazing! Up to last year I was daily "driving" a x5650 as my only rig, and they are not only capable, but also amazing once you overclock it, closing the gap to the older i7's that ran like they wanted to ignite hell on fire lol
The way how this is such a calm and relaxed review I love it. No cheesey background music, just birds off in the distance. Almost an unintentional asmr video.
I might repeat someone else comment, but you should definitely try it with 4 channel ram config and might be get tweaked bios to play a bit with timings and raise memory bandwidth since it could be a real bottleneck in older server systems. I'd like to see such update video =) Thanks for you content, keep it up, man!
Those old Dell servers BIOS are locked up tighter than a virgins chastity belt! Unlikely to be able to do any CPU or memory overclocking etc, other than setting Time/Date the first BIOS page is read only. It vwill also be likely the DDR3 RAM is registered/ECC so no joy there with timing adjustments, at least it's not still using Rambus memory otherwise performance would be dire.
I would be interested in seeing them benchmarks run again with one CPU disabled. I used to run a dual Xeon rig, some games just hated the dual CPU, although it was much, much older than this workstation.
@@Oyashiro_Chama ohh so NUMA is the thing only available on dual CPU systems? i always wondered what is NUMA nodes option in windows. Cuz I haven't have any chance to experience in a dual CPUs system
The “handle” is for holding cards in place. Nice to have if your cards fit and you are hauling it around (the case does have a handle after all). It’s spot welded on and pretty easy to pop off with a few taps on a chisel. Just do it carefully and you won’t even dent the side panel.
I've used old Xeons for approaching 10 years now, first a hp xw6600 with a pair of 2.83 lga771's and currently a dell t1650 with a single Xeon e3-1270v2 and have been considering the newer dell t5810 for my next system, I think the performance from them is still usable and they just seem to be a bit more reliable as they're classed as workstations rather then just a normal pc.
Ahh I recently have my hands on the LGA771 E5440, is surely a 2.83GHz xeon that is a rebranded of Q9550. Using single one of it on a normal LGA775 G41 board, it works just like a charm : ))). Heavy webpages with complex modern graphics works fine, even games (I purposely used the integrated graphics to force the processing on the CPU but the chip handles fine)
@@averyoldRUclipsuser dual Xeon e5440 beats a single i7 2600k in multi core by a bit. But it loses in single core scores. You will like them I think. They are a bit hot on temps. But put a 14nm or 7nm gpu and the temps will drop from 80 to 65 during stress loads like RUclips.
My secondary gaming rig is an old dual Xeon Mac Pro that I run Linux on (and Windows 10 for a bit, but my main machine is Windows nowadays... felt redundant). It's still got a remarkable amount of grunt power for a 2010 machine with 2012 chips in it... I run it with a Titan Black and a 19" CRT (or a 30" Mac Cinema Display). These units have come down in price a lot since their heyday.... Great video, I love these workstation sleepers :)
One thing these Dual Xeon boards are great for is a home server / VM machine. plenty cores to through various tasks at. A low profile quadro card or similar for plex would also be worthwhile!
I think pairing dual xeons with this RTX card like this vid is ok, quadro cards will be sure the better companion with them just because they are designed for workstation. Wanna see how quadro performs in games. I just want to see something out of the usual way we match things
I was using a similar system for my networking and storage, it was an amazing little system for the 5 or 6 years that I was using it. I ended up getting another Dell workstation with a couple 10GB network cards to handle my network traffic and Jellyfin for my rips as well as storage and rendering on occasion, gotta hand it to Dell, they make some killer workstations
@@mikekane9734 The one that I'm using now (Dell Precision 7820) uses about 25 watts on idle and around 200 watts if hitting it with multiple streams. The system itself can use about 800 watts using synthetic benchmarks but that's not really indicative of the every day use. I plan on using a wattmeter at some point to see how much power it uses in a months time, but power is really cheap where I live, so I haven't really worried about it. The old (Dell precision T7610) system used about 85 watts in idle and around 500 watts with multiple streams.
I love seeing this type of content. Now I've remembered how I've found your channel. It is the video you've made about Xeon X5650 (posted in Dec 30 2016) that brought me to your channel, and since then I am still following your content.
The handle on the "Shield" (hue) is just held on with a few aluminum spark welds that can be easily and quite cleanly removed with a Dremel and a small drill bit (or if you're feeling dangerous, a hammer and a chisel), aim for the little circle marks to either side of the handle. The system fans were more than enough to keep a 480 Red Devil cool with the door on for mine, so most GPUs should stay cool enough.
My current rig is a HP Z600 workstation with duel xeon x5670s and 48gb of ram coupled with an Rtx 2060. Still does me well for a bit of gaming, CAD and rendering. I tend to find running at 1440p works well. You would probs get the same frame rate as running at 1080 but using more of the gpu and being less bottlenecked by the processors.
these HP Z6xx are awesome I have a Z600 and several Z620, all dual CPU configs...the Z620 are fully loaded with 96GB RAM and 32 vCPU I was thinking of putting in an RTX2060, but was wondering of a 3060TI would be even better another good thing about the Z620 are they have lots of PSU capacity
I agree. I have a hp z620 with a pair of E5-2690 V1's in it and it serves me well. I have better performance in elden ring than RGinHD owing to a higher CPU clock than displayed in the video at higher resolutions. It's over 10 years old now and its never had replacement parts due to failure. It's another plus to these systems, they were expensive new, but they built them with high quality components.
I have been writing and video editing on HP Z400 workstation with a GeForce card for 6 years. Workstation $100 Video card $200 New thermal paste before you turn that sucker on.
Nice video! I've got a second hand Dell T7910 as a linux homelab system. For their price they really are unbeatable. I've now spec'd it with 128GB DDR4 and dual e5-2860v4 for a total of 28 cores/56 threads, with 1TB nvme drive via a PCIE adapter. All up has cost me ~$700 USD for a truly silly amount of processing power, and still loads of expandability. It idles at ~90w power, while that is a bit high, again for the power is quite amazing!
Man this brings me back to the good golden times. Techyescity and other channels doing reviews on old 8 core and 12 core xeons and getting them game ready. I was planning to get one of these systems up and ready but sadly couldn't
Great bargain for a dual cpu computer and with 32gb of ram? Honestly I'd buy that in a heartbeat. Still proves that more Cores isn't everything as newer gen, higher ipc cpus perform alot better in most games.
Content like this makes it worth for the budget gamers like me. Am rocking with a Xeon E3-1270 V3 and i am getting a smooth experience without stuttering in AAA titles.
I've been running my Dell Precision T3500 with a X5690 since 2016 after I bought it for $50. Had to fix & upgrade a few things but I got 6 years out of it so far so I'm happy.
I know it's not the point of this channel, but when testing workstations I'd love to see more benchmarks on things like 7zip compress/decompress, compiling a linux kernel, encoding a video file and other more workstation-related tasks other than gaming. The fact that the machine can somewhat game as well it's great to see and very interesting of course.
Archiving under linux is interesting to say the least, most codecs are single thread, a few are multi thread and fly. I would guess theres a lot of abandonware (or dead software devs) in the linux distros. (the unmentionable vixxes and hoosters are going to exasperate this situation as devs disappear.) Mint has serious issues with some software not working or being grossly out of date. Broken thing like Wine
It in no way competes. It gets by. A 5800X3D for instance has about a 100% gaming advantage over 1st gen Ryzen with a high quality GPU. If you're using an older GPU (750 Ti) then of course it will work about the same because the GPU is the bottleneck most the time.
Just last year my main rig was a 2012 or so Dell workstation with dual X5670’s, 24gb ddr3, and a Radeon 7950. I was really surprised what it could play. I played a lot of Wolfenstein II and Doom Eternal on it
I use a modified Dell T3600 as my main rig right now. In order to get the most performance out of them, Ram checking needs to be disabled in the bios as it restricts the gpu x16 slot to 2.0 mode. Inspectre.exe will also improve performance by disabling meltdown features . Quad channel ram also makes a large difference in performance. I run a single XEON E5 2690 8 Core 16 thread, 32 gb ram, and a RTX 3060. COD Warzone and RDR2 both run at 120fps max settings 1080p with GPU usage around 97% and CPU Usage around 50-60%. I would be curious to see if the performance on this T5600 would increase with the tweaks I mentioned above. Great video as always!
I ran one of these as my main rig for a good four years from 2016. Mine has power hungry dual Xeon E5-2667's. Just like you said the architecture really struggled with modern titles. I now use it as a media server and it runs brilliantly for this task due to all the cores.
Funny how I started looking at these on ebay like 3 days since they were dirt cheap and had seemingly decent specs! Glad to see you happened to make a video on it haha!
just got an optiplex with a 1650 v3 - working well with a cheap gfx card. the build quality and how nicely everything fits together is impressive, particularly the modular sections. very very quiet. gonna pair it with something more powerful when i get the chance - im pretty sure the card is the bottleneck right now.
I use an 2699v3 18 core haswell xeon paired with a radeon 6900xt for my linux gaming box. The xeon is almost always the bottleneck but most games get over 100fps which is my monitors refresh rate anyway. So i just set everything to ultra and never worry about background tasks. I can be doing literally anything at the same time, compiling, transcoding, discord, even x264 encoding, and my fps stays exactly the same. I love xeon life, i wish they had quicksync though
I have a 2 x E5 2680v2 (20 cores / 40 threads) & 192gb of ram. I don't think those low spec v1 cpus are necessarily worth the money. Probably best to go with the later, v3 or v4 models nowadays.
These old XEON rigs are an amazing and cheap way to play older games. I have 4 of them and they cost me next to nothing. All you have to spend is on GPUs and just cleaning and maintaining them. great video
I am honestly surprised most of the games utilized all of the cores from BOTH processors. I was really expecting one CPU to be idling while the other did all the work in the game. Very informative video and, as always, very pleasant to watch. I LOVE your approach to gaming builds. I am currently playing the Resident Evil 2 remake on a Dell Precision T5810 that I found last summer being thrown out. It was filthy and missing the side panel cover but other than that it was complete and it posted. It has an Intel E5-1650v4 with 32gb DDR4 at 2400mhz and a 685w power supply. After thoroughly cleaning it I pulled out the 1tb mechanical drive and put in a 1tb SSD and Win10 Pro and installed a GTX 1070. This system with a 10 series or higher graphics card is SOLID.
Own one of these babies! Received the T5600 free of charge from work in late 2018, after it was decommissioned and officially gifted to me; incl the 825W PSU and 32GB REEC 1600. I upgraded the CPU's from 2x E5-2667 to 2xE5-2689. It's a business looking desktop server, so I bought some vinyl car wrap for the side panel to bling it up with a dark brown 3D carbon look. Paid $12 for a single use WIN10Pro license and another $60 for an SSD to install this OS. A very cable unit with capability to support a decent GPU (up to RTX2070Ti as a decent match). Perfect as a home server, video rendering, or even Hi 1080P gaming. At the "price", a fantastic value!
These older Xeon systems are awesome. Personally my main machine is a 5,1 flashed Mac Pro with an RX580, 32GB of Ram and dual E5649s. It's even faster than my Razer Blade 15 from 2018!
Great video as always, but the shield...you read my mind. XD It reminded me of playing the old Dragon Quest games where the weakest shield was "Pot Lid."
Yeah I just bought an HP Z620 and the Sandy Bridge CPU it came with was so bad. Slapped an 8c/16t, 4ghz boost, 25mb L3 cache in there for $25, paired it with an RX 580, now it's golden
It costs, you have to pay 50+ apiece to get good xeons, not really worth doing unless very bored. they need serious cooling too, dual HS fan assemblies and they get noisy. The pros and cons of one or two fans per cpu HS, two fans lowers the C by one degree, so not worth bothering for just that, but if one fan fails, then the other keeps on going. Best to buy with the desired CPUS inplace as that might be the cheapest route, or be prepared to search and wait for the right price ones, I got my s/h CPUs as a matched paired something like 140USD, My dual core 32GB X79 mobo system. (idles at 29C 100W, flat out doing Cinebench r20 400 WATTS. CPU: Topology: 2x 8-Core model: Intel Xeon E5-2690 0 bits: 64 type: MT MCP SMP arch: Sandy Bridge rev: 7 L2 cache: 40.0 MiB flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 185645 Speed: 1200 MHz min/max: 1200/3800 MHz E5-1650 as an early E5 was unlocked, can be overclocked. do some checking.
I was making a shield joke in my head as RGHD started grabbing the handle. Man, I rarely laugh while watching tech videos but this one, it did not disappoint.
Yeah my second pc is actually a Xeon build and I use it mostly to play at easier (lighter) games and to test my gpu collection. The rig is composed by: Xeon E3 1321v3 (4c/8t @ 3.4 GHz), 16Gb DDR3, AsRock H97M, 980ti (at the moment) and Win10 on SSD. It's awesome to see how well these things still perform for their age! It could be a competitive 1080p gaming system for a lot of people, as long as using SSDs and mabye a lower tier GPU
I run a T7810 with dual Xeon e5-2670 v3 chips, 128 gigs of ram, and a 1070 ti. It's a fun pc to mess around with, pretty beast for server and editing use. Gonna get into VMs with it soon, which seems like a ton of fun
Those sandy bridge cores still have life in them, my best friends daughter has a old hand me down dell with a i5-2320. For Christmas this year I'm gonna give her one last upgrade before the ol sandy bridge i5 gets retired, a new case with any airflow (thanks dell), new power supply, and a RX 580.
I'd recommend a HP Z420 for a budget build, I picked one up on collection for £60 then added a GTX970, E5-2690 v2, 32GB of DDR3 ECC RAM and dropped in a 64GB SSD for Windows and 2 x 2TB HDD's. After balancing out the sale of some of the original components against those I bought it came in at under £200.
You said that before you changed the thermal paste the CPU's were running close to 100°C. What was the temperature after changing the thermal paste? The second question is that "Is it worth going for dual CPU's for gaming" or "Is one of the CPU's hardly used"? I ask because I am really into Xenon CPU's.
I bought one of these for a similar price last month but had to return it due to some of the memory slots not working. I bought a Lenovo Thinkstation D30 to replace it that was even cheaper - 70ukp with a pair of E5-2609v2s and 16Gb of RAM. I have replaced the CPUs with a pair of E5-2680 v2s that cost 40ukp for the pair and filled all 16 RAM slots with 8Gb sticks that cost me another 60ukp, so I have a 20 core 128Gb workstation for 170 quid. I'm using it for AI video processing so I fitted a Tesla K20 5Gb that cost me 25 quid and kept the Quadro K2000 it came with, so my total spent so far is around 200 quid and it is happily chugging along processing video. I'll probably add a second Tesla K20 soon as the PSU can handle it and has four 6pin GPU connectors. My main system is a T5810 with a e5-2698v4 in it, and I'm a big fan of this series of Dells, the cases are great. The thing you forgot to mention about these old dual Xeon rigs is the memory system - you get a whopping 8 channels so bandwidth is massive, ideal for video editing etc. Also, ECC RAM is dirt cheap so you can cheaply fit 64 or 128Gb and never have to worry about running out of memory. 8 channels of 1600Mhz or 1866Mhz DDR3 is surprisingly fast, benchmarks show my D30 with 1600Mhz DDR3 on 8 channels is quite a bit faster than the four channels of 2400Mhz DDR4 in my T5810.
I would never recomend any processor other than a 4th gen icore or higher. Mostly because newer DX 11 and DX 12 ultimate require both SSE 4 and AVX 2. AVX 2 wasnt introduced until 4th gen icore’s. So any processor older than 4th gen struggles because it lacks 128bit video/audio compression and can only utilize 64bit compression instruction which means higher utilization that forces the cpus to struggle. Doesnt matter how many cpus you have. Without AVX 2 and SSE 4 running simultaneously together the processing will struggle.
I was running an X99 rig for about a year with a single 12C/24T E5 2670 v3 Haswell-EP, and gaming performance wasn't bad at all. Though it wasn't the best for shooters, it was fine with every other type of game. On a 12400F/3060 system now.
I feel you on this one! I got hold of a HP ProLiant DP380 Gen 5 server with 2 Xeon E5345 4 core CPUs and while it was fun to mess around with, ultimately it sits there waiting to see if I ever come back 😞
The PSU itself is almost worth that. These PSU's are top notch quality. What is holding this old workhorse back in games, is mainly the low clock speed (more than the architecture). Also the Dual CPU has some latency between the two. So dual CPU is not ideal for gaming, but for productivity, where total processing throughput wins over latency. You see the FPS drops in Spiderman, which I believe is due to the latency between CPU's - especially when the cache is in work. CS:GO as I can see, only one of the CPUs, so no problem there. Besides you want higher clockspeed than max turbo of 2.8 GHz.
I was wondering about the latency between the two CPUs and was also surprised to see most games using threads from both physical CPUs. I'm tinkering with a T7610 with dual E5-2687w CPUs. I pulled out the 2nd CPU and moved all the ECC RAM to the CPU 1 memory slots and this video had me wondering if I should put the 2nd CPU back in or not.
I have one of them as a secondary PC as a hyper-v server and it does its job well. however there are a few downsides. windows 10 drivers for the sata and sas controller where hard to find and not present at the dell or intel website. found some drivers with a driverpack. also some GPUs with more then 8gb are sometimes not detected and the PC will not boot. buying memory is cheap but can also be tricky as it just does not like some modules. power consumption at max load is insane at 450ish watt but makes for a nice space heater. I still use this system everyday but would only recommend for someone who know what they are potentially getting into
@@naamadossantossilva4736 its not that bad. most of the time my VMs do very little and i use the PC more as a NAS so it only draws 25watt to 30watt per CPU. it just goas stupid when i do video encoding or some other CPU taxing task on the PC and yea its not the fastest PC anymore but i run 2x6 core with HT so 24 treats and for VMs cores are more important then speed.
I was in the middle of doing this exact build, but the refurbished Dell Precision I bought off of eBay died within a week of owning it. Sucks. Now I'm in the process of selling off the parts, I returned the PC but I bought RAM, new CPU's, GPU, etc.
That weird handle on the side panel can easily be removed using a flat screwdriver or flat spatula. I built one a few weeks ago and it does not take much of an effort to remove.
Interesting review. I was wondering what a system like this would do in terms of performance. Seems like, where both CPUs can be used with no problem, you get better performance than in cases where you can only use one CPU. But hey, this gives me an idea - one CPU for gaming and the other for streaming/background services? Plus, of course, they do these workstations with higher end Xeons that go all the way to 14 cores/28 threads, so if you had one of those, you wouldn't need two Xeon's.
Had the same idea. This config would be ideal since you don’t „steal“ any performance because most games only utilize one CPU. The other can be for streaming, home server etc. 32 GB in the whole system is also very good for this.
I recently built a Xeon 2670 v3 build similar to that system, 16 GB DDR4, RTX 2080, 500 GB NVMe SSD for pretty cheap. Sub $400. I had the case and power supply, so that saved a good bit of money. It’s actually very impressive as long as the GPU is the bottleneck. It can play plenty of games in 4K. I tested Destiny 2 and God of War, they ran great at 4K, the system is for my nephew.
My video editing system is running dual Xeon E5-2697v2 (Ivy Bridge, one generation newer than the Sandy Bridge you're using here), with 24 cores and 48 threads. A screamer for video encoding, comparable to current gen i9 systems. And it looks really cool with the massive side by side dual fan heat syncs on them. :) Uses an enormous amount of electricity when under load, so you need a beefy PSU to run this and a good GPU with it (I'm using an RTX2060, which is more than enough for encoding). One of the biggest advantages of the E5 Xeons is the number of PCIe lanes available, which many people overlook. With 40-48 lanes depending on the model, you can run the M.2 OS drive, a hardware RAID controller for the data drive, and 2 (though I'm only using 1) GPUs at full capacity at all times. If you're using a 'modern' CPU with only 16 PCIe lanes, you're going to bottleneck on the data bus.
I run the same rig in an HP workstation purchased for $600. I changed the E5-2630 v2 X2 to E5-2667 v2 X2 @3.3 GHz and increased cpubenchmark score from 12,582 to 21,158 for $150. Cinebench r20 score now 5091, r23 score now 12545.
I would love to see testing with process lasso being used to limit games to running on one numa node/cpu. Also, Apex Legends lets you remove the fps cap if you add +fps_max 0 into the launch options, though there is an engine cap at 300 fps.
Glad to see the age old "buy an old prebuilt and throw in a graphics card" approach still works. We've just evolved from office machines to workstations
You should try one of them Ali Express x99 boards with a v3 Xeon they work decently especially if overclocked just make sure it's one of the x99 with a vrm cooler since they get pretty toasty
I've been looking at X58, X79, X99 and even X299 boards. What I like about these is the ability to have more SATA slots and more RAM slots compared to that of a standard motherboard, as most boards have 4 RAM slots (some budget ones even only have 2 slots).
@@RandomGaminginHD I love mine I got a e5 2666 v3 16gb memory and a pretty decent quality motherboard for £140 the built in io shield was a nice plus as well
I have a x79 E5 2650v2 that I got with 16gb of RAM and a decent motherboard for about 100 dollars (there's kits for around 90 now) the single threaded performance leaves a bit to be desired but it's a beast in multi core and games that can utilize all of its cores well (one that comes to mind is Battlefield V) run exceptionally well. One of the best bang-for-your-buck CPUs if you have a very low budget, in my opinion. Might want to look to get a x99 instead, like you said, because the upgrade path is better. Another interesting option is the LGA1366 series of Xeons, like the E5 2420 and 2420v2, that can be found with 8gb of RAM and the motherboard on Ali for around 75 dollars, and they run games like Warzone at over 60fps quite consistently.
@@GrayKeyboard With some of the aliexpress x79 boards, if you set "0" for the boost timeout, the chip will stay at it's "all cores" boost frequency all the time. Easy basic overclock, provided you have a decent heatsink attached.
Until I got my current rig during lockdown, I'd not built a computer since 2008 due to budget constraints, and it was often systems like this. Not dual CPU of course, but a second hand office Dell with a cheap GPU slapped up its arse. The first 2 were disasters, ran fine at first, but both times the GPU(both were ATI Radeon HD cards, have used NVidia ever since) massively overheated and warped the motherboard so badly it wouldn't boot any longer. Forced me to use a Pentium 4 in 2012 as I'd run out of budget and it was going for a fiver. It would at least let me have a game of Football Manager as long as I played in 2D, and allowed me to use office programs and web browsers, too.
You sir are a good guy, the fact you've came up when searching for shit you have made it more promising to me to get the dell emc t440 as my gaming system is getting old now and I'm waiting for ddr5 to me fixed and I Need a server system anyway as smart home and other shit I do like ue5 and houdini workloads means a server will help me so I can keep waiting on ddr5 tech to improve
I'm still running my old Xeon E3 1230-v3 as a daily driver. Paired with my 6700XT (yes, overkill) it's still capable of most games. Just played RE8 Shadows of Rose in 4k without any problems. Still planning to upgrade early next year.
Awesome content! I would love to see benchmarks with upgraded cpu. Something like a pair of e5 2690's or 2643 v2's as these are as cheap as 10 USD on eBay these days. I'm guessing the higher clocks would help immensely in gaming.
Dumb question I just got a q W-2145 8 core 3.7ghz xeon workstation for cheap will it bottleneck a 4070/4080. My tv is 4 I'm going to play cyberpunk elden ring and Alan Wake 2.
Woow Dave! That is a nice server machine you got there. Even with it's age included. Try put Proxmox VE on it, a few HDD and SSD and install a Windows VM, install secondary GPU for passthrough and show us a benchmark through there. And comparison with the barebone WinOS install. Wish this would came true. Because it's an ideal machine for that journey for you. Promise.
This is just awesome. If i ever get my hands on this machine, i can be knock off Steve Rogers, protecting people from expensive PC parts. I'll always wanted to be a superhero growing up
I've been using dell workstations as cheap rigs for a a few years now. A T5810 is a good budget rig now being able to take v4 xeons and ddr4 . A T7810 will do you duals and if you want expansion overkill a T7910. I'm currently running a T7920 with dual 18 core Xeon gold 6140's with an RTX2070. The main thing about these workstations for me is the low noise. Mines runs 36 cores on cinebench and the fans don't even become audible.
Cool video. Nice to see content with these machines. I have a T5610 which was the Ivey Bridge refresh of the line. I have it paired with a GTX 1070 Extreme from Zotac. Runs great. I would say in many cases it also runs circles around my i5 8400 system which I originally bought as a work from home PC. I run Linux so maybe part of it is OS related. Not sure. Also with the workstation I can disable Spector and Meltdown mitigations from the Bios which also improves performance a bit. It would be nice if overclocking was an option with my system but definitely not a requirement.
Just curious if you ever did an update with some of the requests below. Thanks and keep up the great videos. Oh 1 more? what do you do with the hardware after your done reviewing it?
I am running a single 4core 8thread xeon with 32gb of ddr3. I upgraded my gtx 680 ftw 4gb to an 8gb 6600 from amd and running my games quite well. My board and chip can even handle 64gb of ram as is and as high as 128gb if I update the bios. My board even supports ddr 3 server ram (ECC) if I want to use it. Nothing brag worthy but still getting the job done quite nicely in spite of its age.
I'm still using Dell T5500, Dual Xeon X5675, RAM 68GB, 1TB SSD + 4TB HDD & GTX 980 Ti. Still a beast to me, even doing 3D work for my job and light gaming.
Got a dual 8-Core Xeon coupled with and RTX A2000. Pretty solid as a day to day and CPU intense workloads (given the price) and even for 4K editing. Don't play much games but I have done a couple of benchmarks and noticed the same thing: good average FPS but noticeable dips here and there. Remember, the GPU's PCI-E slot is linked to one CPU only so the other CPU can reach it via NUMA. I can't think of a single video game optimised for such setup.
@RandomGaminginHD i run dual intel xeons x5675's with 28gb of ddr3 ram, a 1tb ssd for windows 7 pro 64bit, and a 4tb internal storage drive for my personal files and games. i dont really use steam that much anymore, dont have a lot of time for gaming like i use to, now that im working 4 days a week. but anyways its a powerfull beat i love it. was planning on upgrading to dual x5690's at 3.46ghz vers 3.09ghz. i use my pc for virtual machines and modding windows, and playing games of coarse video editing photo shop, and some 3d modeling. and to be quite frank with you its still a power house even in 2024 cosnidering its almost 20 years old now considering it was relased in 2010/2009.
My current rigs are an X79 sporting a Xeon E5-1650v2 @ 4.2GHz and X99 with an E5-1660v3 that I haven't quite made much use of yet. It was a fun experience to cobble those two systems together. It's amazing how well an overclockable Xeon can still hold on in today's landscape.
@@Quast the 16 e5 v3's are the last truly overclockable xeons. The 1 denotes single socket compatability only, so I guess Intel figured yeah just let it go for the lone processors, since they took it away from every other socket configuration first. But that was a long time ago. And now even that is gone so keep an eye out. These are the last chips that can get an actual overclock upwards of 30% from stock. Broadwell was/is garbage, Haswell less so. But the xeons from the same generations are another (and the final) story for overclocking
@@Quast Broadwell and newer 12xx and 16xx Xeons are locked. If you were for whatever reason looking at an E5-1660v4, just get an i7-6900K instead. Similar stock performance, but you can still overclock it.
This shows up just as I ordered a HP Z620 with a single E5 2690 and 64Gb RAM for £99. Waiting to receive it and see if it is the 8, 10 or 12 core model. Cheap workstation for maximum bang for buck! P.s. what do you think I should pair with it? Rx6600, Rtx 3050?
I run the same rig in an HP workstation. I changed the E5-2630 v2 X2 to E5-2667 v2 X2 @3.3 GHz and increased cpubenchmark score from 12,582 to 21,158 for $150
Great vid 👍 thanks...how loud is the machine? And is a power monster? - I've looked at old servers before, but they generally sound like a vacuum cleaner - thanks
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Recently I developed an open source UEFI module to get Resizable BAR working on Ivy Bridge and newer systems. It gave me an upto 12% performance increase in some games would be interesting to see it tested on more systems
I have a dual 2696 v4 broadwell system. I would love to do some tests for you if possible
Is it open source/released somewhere? I flip a lot of old PCs and always have to benchmark them before reselling. This is anywhere from Haswell, over Zen 1 to Zen 3. So if you need testers, maybe I can provide some insight. Also a software developer myself, but have never looked into UEFI at all.
@@b0ne91 it's called ReBarUEFI
@@Kuri0 found the github thank you. I will be running some test today
wish I didnt change from my i7 3770 to fx 8350 cause this motherboard is only pcie 2 unlike the i7
I cannot recommend this rig more. It was a cold night in 2014 and I heard a noise downstairs, so I grabbed my trusted side panel and went down stairs. The handle grip is perfect and allowed me to protect myself against any individual who came in. Who knows what would've happened without this pc.
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I find this sort of stuff just as entertaining as newer gear, just in different ways.
Wouldnt use it as a main rig, but its always fun seeing what older gear can do.
Im also into a few "alternative" OSes where new hardware is very rarely, if ever supported, so systems like this are often the high end of what they can use.
Same here. New parts are usually out of both my budget and needs. All of them are a great choice for my use case so nothing really interesting there. My 3600 will do just fine for years to come as I can't afford top of the line GPU to make it a bottleneck anyway and I don't really need it either.
I just love old hardware for some reason though. I currently have one Haswell Xeon build and already have parts for Sandy Xeon build as well.
@@Negiku I'm a single bloke with no kids and fortunate enough to have a decent amount of disposable income, so have an r9 5900x and just bought an i9-13900k (do a bit of video editing, 3d rendering and a lot of code compiling, so high end gear is useful to me), but I have just as much fun, possibly more with lower end stuff.
For me new stuff is more like a tool. Something I use for work.
I do use it to game on at times, but I'm approaching 50 years old more quickly than I'd like, so my hobby side of computing is more geared towards retro, a little older, and stuff that is aging, but still capable.
New stuff just works without having to think much about and without needing to tweak, etc.
I love tweaking and seeing how far you can push things, which is a part of the hobby missing with new stuff.
I've got systems ranging from commodore 64 to Amigas to 486's and pentiums, p3s and athlon xp, core2duo and quads, 1st gen i7's, 4th gen i5's, 7th gen I3 and i7's, a 6 core xeon based on 1st gen i-core (x5690), a small form factor i7-8700k, plus my modern systems.
Bought about 5 dozen gpus from different eras over the last 6 months too. Just wanted to cover all possible bases of the hobby.
I plan on starting a RUclips channel very soon (just recently started writing some scripts for 1st videos) covering the 8th gen i7 and earlier and the sort of fun I like to have with them, which is why I hoarded a decent collection of gear :)
Sharing a hobby and the things you do with that hobby makes it more fun, so a RUclips channel seemed a good idea :)
And damn, this ended up a much larger wall of text than I'd originally planned.
Think I mightve over-elaborated out of fear of it coming across as a weird geek flex, whereas really I'm just a big nerd who loves the hobby :)
@@beezle1976 that's amazing! Up to last year I was daily "driving" a x5650 as my only rig, and they are not only capable, but also amazing once you overclock it, closing the gap to the older i7's that ran like they wanted to ignite hell on fire lol
The way how this is such a calm and relaxed review I love it. No cheesey background music, just birds off in the distance. Almost an unintentional asmr video.
The "2 CPUs on one motherboard" thing always amazes me, kind of cool!
Yeah it’s a cool sight indeed
I might repeat someone else comment, but you should definitely try it with 4 channel ram config and might be get tweaked bios to play a bit with timings and raise memory bandwidth since it could be a real bottleneck in older server systems. I'd like to see such update video =)
Thanks for you content, keep it up, man!
Those old Dell servers BIOS are locked up tighter than a virgins chastity belt! Unlikely to be able to do any CPU or memory overclocking etc, other than setting Time/Date the first BIOS page is read only. It vwill also be likely the DDR3 RAM is registered/ECC so no joy there with timing adjustments, at least it's not still using Rambus memory otherwise performance would be dire.
I would be interested in seeing them benchmarks run again with one CPU disabled. I used to run a dual Xeon rig, some games just hated the dual CPU, although it was much, much older than this workstation.
It's the NUMA core layout and a lot of it is bandwidth issues inbetween cores.
Either that or using process lasso to limit games to one cpu
@@Oyashiro_Chama ohh so NUMA is the thing only available on dual CPU systems? i always wondered what is NUMA nodes option in windows. Cuz I haven't have any chance to experience in a dual CPUs system
@@averyoldRUclipsuser not sure either I've never setup bare metal multi socket windows I always use VM
This is what I was thinking too. Dual CPU's bring more issues then they're worth for desktop/gaming use.
The “handle” is for holding cards in place. Nice to have if your cards fit and you are hauling it around (the case does have a handle after all).
It’s spot welded on and pretty easy to pop off with a few taps on a chisel. Just do it carefully and you won’t even dent the side panel.
I was using a system with two Xeon X5675s and 24GB of ECC DDR3 memory up until a few months ago. Still a very usable system.
I've used old Xeons for approaching 10 years now, first a hp xw6600 with a pair of 2.83 lga771's and currently a dell t1650 with a single Xeon e3-1270v2 and have been considering the newer dell t5810 for my next system, I think the performance from them is still usable and they just seem to be a bit more reliable as they're classed as workstations rather then just a normal pc.
hey im still running my xw6600 lol. 😂
i just bought a T5810 and replaced the 1607 with an E5 2667v3, and have a 1080 for a card... I couldn't be happier
Ahh I recently have my hands on the LGA771 E5440, is surely a 2.83GHz xeon that is a rebranded of Q9550. Using single one of it on a normal LGA775 G41 board, it works just like a charm : ))). Heavy webpages with complex modern graphics works fine, even games (I purposely used the integrated graphics to force the processing on the CPU but the chip handles fine)
@@kamalashraf4846 dual xeons from the 771 era are so interesting, just wish to try them out
@@averyoldRUclipsuser dual Xeon e5440 beats a single i7 2600k in multi core by a bit. But it loses in single core scores. You will like them I think. They are a bit hot on temps. But put a 14nm or 7nm gpu and the temps will drop from 80 to 65 during stress loads like RUclips.
My secondary gaming rig is an old dual Xeon Mac Pro that I run Linux on (and Windows 10 for a bit, but my main machine is Windows nowadays... felt redundant). It's still got a remarkable amount of grunt power for a 2010 machine with 2012 chips in it... I run it with a Titan Black and a 19" CRT (or a 30" Mac Cinema Display). These units have come down in price a lot since their heyday....
Great video, I love these workstation sleepers :)
One thing these Dual Xeon boards are great for is a home server / VM machine. plenty cores to through various tasks at. A low profile quadro card or similar for plex would also be worthwhile!
The most thing I see from people using dual xeons is that they just use them to run plenty of Android VMs instances
I think pairing dual xeons with this RTX card like this vid is ok, quadro cards will be sure the better companion with them just because they are designed for workstation. Wanna see how quadro performs in games. I just want to see something out of the usual way we match things
I was using a similar system for my networking and storage, it was an amazing little system for the 5 or 6 years that I was using it. I ended up getting another Dell workstation with a couple 10GB network cards to handle my network traffic and Jellyfin for my rips as well as storage and rendering on occasion, gotta hand it to Dell, they make some killer workstations
@@kildozer2012 just wondering how power hungry it was in idle... As a storage/Plex server
@@mikekane9734 The one that I'm using now (Dell Precision 7820) uses about 25 watts on idle and around 200 watts if hitting it with multiple streams. The system itself can use about 800 watts using synthetic benchmarks but that's not really indicative of the every day use.
I plan on using a wattmeter at some point to see how much power it uses in a months time, but power is really cheap where I live, so I haven't really worried about it.
The old (Dell precision T7610) system used about 85 watts in idle and around 500 watts with multiple streams.
I love seeing this type of content. Now I've remembered how I've found your channel. It is the video you've made about Xeon X5650 (posted in Dec 30 2016) that brought me to your channel, and since then I am still following your content.
Awesome! Thanks for sticking around
The handle on the "Shield" (hue) is just held on with a few aluminum spark welds that can be easily and quite cleanly removed with a Dremel and a small drill bit (or if you're feeling dangerous, a hammer and a chisel), aim for the little circle marks to either side of the handle. The system fans were more than enough to keep a 480 Red Devil cool with the door on for mine, so most GPUs should stay cool enough.
Was going to say that it looks easily removed with a dremel.
My current rig is a HP Z600 workstation with duel xeon x5670s and 48gb of ram coupled with an Rtx 2060. Still does me well for a bit of gaming, CAD and rendering. I tend to find running at 1440p works well. You would probs get the same frame rate as running at 1080 but using more of the gpu and being less bottlenecked by the processors.
these HP Z6xx are awesome
I have a Z600 and several Z620, all dual CPU configs...the Z620 are fully loaded with 96GB RAM and 32 vCPU
I was thinking of putting in an RTX2060, but was wondering of a 3060TI would be even better
another good thing about the Z620 are they have lots of PSU capacity
I agree. I have a hp z620 with a pair of E5-2690 V1's in it and it serves me well. I have better performance in elden ring than RGinHD owing to a higher CPU clock than displayed in the video at higher resolutions. It's over 10 years old now and its never had replacement parts due to failure. It's another plus to these systems, they were expensive new, but they built them with high quality components.
I have been writing and video editing on HP Z400 workstation with a GeForce card for 6 years.
Workstation $100 Video card $200
New thermal paste before you turn that sucker on.
Nice video! I've got a second hand Dell T7910 as a linux homelab system. For their price they really are unbeatable. I've now spec'd it with 128GB DDR4 and dual e5-2860v4 for a total of 28 cores/56 threads, with 1TB nvme drive via a PCIE adapter. All up has cost me ~$700 USD for a truly silly amount of processing power, and still loads of expandability. It idles at ~90w power, while that is a bit high, again for the power is quite amazing!
I love how he puts the rig on the grass outside! Nobody does that, so simple, yet brilliant touch!
Man this brings me back to the good golden times. Techyescity and other channels doing reviews on old 8 core and 12 core xeons and getting them game ready. I was planning to get one of these systems up and ready but sadly couldn't
Great bargain for a dual cpu computer and with 32gb of ram? Honestly I'd buy that in a heartbeat. Still proves that more Cores isn't everything as newer gen, higher ipc cpus perform alot better in most games.
The good thing is its coming around now. Old low IPC multi core CPUs are getting more usuable in newer games because of better threading
Main reason it is slow is due to each core being very slow.
Content like this makes it worth for the budget gamers like me. Am rocking with a Xeon E3-1270 V3 and i am getting a smooth experience without stuttering in AAA titles.
I've been running my Dell Precision T3500 with a X5690 since 2016 after I bought it for $50. Had to fix & upgrade a few things but I got 6 years out of it so far so I'm happy.
The 🐐 is back with his og videos 💪
I know it's not the point of this channel, but when testing workstations I'd love to see more benchmarks on things like 7zip compress/decompress, compiling a linux kernel, encoding a video file and other more workstation-related tasks other than gaming.
The fact that the machine can somewhat game as well it's great to see and very interesting of course.
Yes maybe run some puget systems benchmarks for productivity tasks. Interested in these types of old machines for video rendering
Archiving under linux is interesting to say the least, most codecs are single thread, a few are multi thread and fly. I would guess theres a lot of abandonware (or dead software devs) in the linux distros. (the unmentionable vixxes and hoosters are going to exasperate this situation as devs disappear.)
Mint has serious issues with some software not working or being grossly out of date. Broken thing like Wine
it's very nice to see older hardware still compete with more modern hardware while being significantly cheaper
It in no way competes. It gets by. A 5800X3D for instance has about a 100% gaming advantage over 1st gen Ryzen with a high quality GPU.
If you're using an older GPU (750 Ti) then of course it will work about the same because the GPU is the bottleneck most the time.
2:16 had me in tears
I love your content man, keep it up
Great video! The shield bit was brilliant!
Nice video mate love the Xeons cheap and effective. I am still running a 6 core xeon on my 1355 soket motherboard very happy with it.
I had one of these. Blower style graphics card is highly recommended for this case, it has no rear ventillation option at all.
Just last year my main rig was a 2012 or so Dell workstation with dual X5670’s, 24gb ddr3, and a Radeon 7950. I was really surprised what it could play. I played a lot of Wolfenstein II and Doom Eternal on it
That’s awesome
I use a modified Dell T3600 as my main rig right now. In order to get the most performance out of them, Ram checking needs to be disabled in the bios as it restricts the gpu x16 slot to 2.0 mode. Inspectre.exe will also improve performance by disabling meltdown features . Quad channel ram also makes a large difference in performance. I run a single XEON E5 2690 8 Core 16 thread, 32 gb ram, and a RTX 3060. COD Warzone and RDR2 both run at 120fps max settings 1080p with GPU usage around 97% and CPU Usage around 50-60%. I would be curious to see if the performance on this T5600 would increase with the tweaks I mentioned above. Great video as always!
I ran one of these as my main rig for a good four years from 2016. Mine has power hungry dual Xeon E5-2667's. Just like you said the architecture really struggled with modern titles. I now use it as a media server and it runs brilliantly for this task due to all the cores.
Power hungry is fine in the winter, helps with the heating.
Funny how I started looking at these on ebay like 3 days since they were dirt cheap and had seemingly decent specs! Glad to see you happened to make a video on it haha!
just got an optiplex with a 1650 v3 - working well with a cheap gfx card. the build quality and how nicely everything fits together is impressive, particularly the modular sections. very very quiet. gonna pair it with something more powerful when i get the chance - im pretty sure the card is the bottleneck right now.
Which card?
I use an 2699v3 18 core haswell xeon paired with a radeon 6900xt for my linux gaming box.
The xeon is almost always the bottleneck but most games get over 100fps which is my monitors refresh rate anyway.
So i just set everything to ultra and never worry about background tasks.
I can be doing literally anything at the same time, compiling, transcoding, discord, even x264 encoding, and my fps stays exactly the same.
I love xeon life, i wish they had quicksync though
Enjoyed this one! Have always loved a dual cpu workstation board!
I have a 2 x E5 2680v2 (20 cores / 40 threads) & 192gb of ram. I don't think those low spec v1 cpus are necessarily worth the money. Probably best to go with the later, v3 or v4 models nowadays.
V3 need x99 sockets.V4 are the low power versions. 👍 the one he is using here is x79.
That is one of the best looking workstations in the Dell lineup, imo.
2:15 captain xeon man his shield is strong but his power draw is much stronger
These old XEON rigs are an amazing and cheap way to play older games. I have 4 of them and they cost me next to nothing. All you have to spend is on GPUs and just cleaning and maintaining them. great video
I am honestly surprised most of the games utilized all of the cores from BOTH processors. I was really expecting one CPU to be idling while the other did all the work in the game. Very informative video and, as always, very pleasant to watch. I LOVE your approach to gaming builds.
I am currently playing the Resident Evil 2 remake on a Dell Precision T5810 that I found last summer being thrown out. It was filthy and missing the side panel cover but other than that it was complete and it posted. It has an Intel E5-1650v4 with 32gb DDR4 at 2400mhz and a 685w power supply. After thoroughly cleaning it I pulled out the 1tb mechanical drive and put in a 1tb SSD and Win10 Pro and installed a GTX 1070. This system with a 10 series or higher graphics card is SOLID.
Own one of these babies! Received the T5600 free of charge from work in late 2018, after it was decommissioned and officially gifted to me; incl the 825W PSU and 32GB REEC 1600. I upgraded the CPU's from 2x E5-2667 to 2xE5-2689. It's a business looking desktop server, so I bought some vinyl car wrap for the side panel to bling it up with a dark brown 3D carbon look. Paid $12 for a single use WIN10Pro license and another $60 for an SSD to install this OS. A very cable unit with capability to support a decent GPU (up to RTX2070Ti as a decent match). Perfect as a home server, video rendering, or even Hi 1080P gaming. At the "price", a fantastic value!
These older Xeon systems are awesome. Personally my main machine is a 5,1 flashed Mac Pro with an RX580, 32GB of Ram and dual E5649s. It's even faster than my Razer Blade 15 from 2018!
Great video as always, but the shield...you read my mind. XD
It reminded me of playing the old Dragon Quest games where the weakest shield was "Pot Lid."
You should definitely upgrade the CPUs to the Ivy Bridge v2 ones, if anything to reduce power usage.
Yeah I just bought an HP Z620 and the Sandy Bridge CPU it came with was so bad. Slapped an 8c/16t, 4ghz boost, 25mb L3 cache in there for $25, paired it with an RX 580, now it's golden
@@robertaillery5413 what was the name of the new processor you upgraded to?
@@jonnyc429 Xeon E5-2667 v2
Would be interesting to see you throw in some higher-end CPUs in this system, like 2670v2 etc.
It costs, you have to pay 50+ apiece to get good xeons, not really worth doing unless very bored. they need serious cooling too, dual HS fan assemblies and they get noisy.
The pros and cons of one or two fans per cpu HS, two fans lowers the C by one degree, so not worth bothering for just that, but if one fan fails, then the other keeps on going.
Best to buy with the desired CPUS inplace as that might be the cheapest route, or be prepared to search and wait for the right price ones,
I got my s/h CPUs as a matched paired something like 140USD, My dual core 32GB X79 mobo system. (idles at 29C 100W, flat out doing Cinebench r20 400 WATTS.
CPU: Topology: 2x 8-Core model: Intel Xeon E5-2690 0 bits: 64 type: MT MCP SMP arch: Sandy Bridge rev: 7 L2 cache: 40.0 MiB
flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 185645 Speed: 1200 MHz min/max: 1200/3800 MHz
E5-1650 as an early E5 was unlocked, can be overclocked. do some checking.
@@joefish6091 Just FYI. The T5600 and T5610 (Ivey Bridge refresh) are passively cooled. The only fan noise in my system comes from my GTX 1070.
Tysm for on your overwatch 2 video when you suggested disabling shader cache it’s helped my fps drops alot
I was making a shield joke in my head as RGHD started grabbing the handle. Man, I rarely laugh while watching tech videos but this one, it did not disappoint.
Yeah my second pc is actually a Xeon build and I use it mostly to play at easier (lighter) games and to test my gpu collection. The rig is composed by:
Xeon E3 1321v3 (4c/8t @ 3.4 GHz), 16Gb DDR3, AsRock H97M, 980ti (at the moment) and Win10 on SSD.
It's awesome to see how well these things still perform for their age! It could be a competitive 1080p gaming system for a lot of people, as long as using SSDs and mabye a lower tier GPU
I run a T7810 with dual Xeon e5-2670 v3 chips, 128 gigs of ram, and a 1070 ti. It's a fun pc to mess around with, pretty beast for server and editing use. Gonna get into VMs with it soon, which seems like a ton of fun
Those sandy bridge cores still have life in them, my best friends daughter has a old hand me down dell with a i5-2320. For Christmas this year I'm gonna give her one last upgrade before the ol sandy bridge i5 gets retired, a new case with any airflow (thanks dell), new power supply, and a RX 580.
I'd recommend a HP Z420 for a budget build, I picked one up on collection for £60 then added a GTX970, E5-2690 v2, 32GB of DDR3 ECC RAM and dropped in a 64GB SSD for Windows and 2 x 2TB HDD's. After balancing out the sale of some of the original components against those I bought it came in at under £200.
I got the same thing, but more GPU emphasis because I had a 1080 ti. 16gb crucial ballistix, amd a 2667 v2. Quite the beast this rig is.
You said that before you changed the thermal paste the CPU's were running close to 100°C. What was the temperature after changing the thermal paste? The second question is that "Is it worth going for dual CPU's for gaming" or "Is one of the CPU's hardly used"? I ask because I am really into Xenon CPU's.
I bought one of these for a similar price last month but had to return it due to some of the memory slots not working. I bought a Lenovo Thinkstation D30 to replace it that was even cheaper - 70ukp with a pair of E5-2609v2s and 16Gb of RAM. I have replaced the CPUs with a pair of E5-2680 v2s that cost 40ukp for the pair and filled all 16 RAM slots with 8Gb sticks that cost me another 60ukp, so I have a 20 core 128Gb workstation for 170 quid. I'm using it for AI video processing so I fitted a Tesla K20 5Gb that cost me 25 quid and kept the Quadro K2000 it came with, so my total spent so far is around 200 quid and it is happily chugging along processing video. I'll probably add a second Tesla K20 soon as the PSU can handle it and has four 6pin GPU connectors. My main system is a T5810 with a e5-2698v4 in it, and I'm a big fan of this series of Dells, the cases are great.
The thing you forgot to mention about these old dual Xeon rigs is the memory system - you get a whopping 8 channels so bandwidth is massive, ideal for video editing etc. Also, ECC RAM is dirt cheap so you can cheaply fit 64 or 128Gb and never have to worry about running out of memory. 8 channels of 1600Mhz or 1866Mhz DDR3 is surprisingly fast, benchmarks show my D30 with 1600Mhz DDR3 on 8 channels is quite a bit faster than the four channels of 2400Mhz DDR4 in my T5810.
I would never recomend any processor other than a 4th gen icore or higher.
Mostly because newer DX 11 and DX 12 ultimate require both SSE 4 and AVX 2.
AVX 2 wasnt introduced until 4th gen icore’s.
So any processor older than 4th gen struggles because it lacks 128bit video/audio compression and can only utilize 64bit compression instruction which means higher utilization that forces the cpus to struggle.
Doesnt matter how many cpus you have. Without AVX 2 and SSE 4 running simultaneously together the processing will struggle.
I loved that shield bit LMFAO had me rolling! 2:18
Another great video! I saw one of these on my local Craigslist and it seemed like a decent build I did not end of buying though unfortunately
I was running an X99 rig for about a year with a single 12C/24T E5 2670 v3 Haswell-EP, and gaming performance wasn't bad at all. Though it wasn't the best for shooters, it was fine with every other type of game. On a 12400F/3060 system now.
I feel you on this one! I got hold of a HP ProLiant DP380 Gen 5 server with 2 Xeon E5345 4 core CPUs and while it was fun to mess around with, ultimately it sits there waiting to see if I ever come back 😞
The PSU itself is almost worth that. These PSU's are top notch quality. What is holding this old workhorse back in games, is mainly the low clock speed (more than the architecture). Also the Dual CPU has some latency between the two. So dual CPU is not ideal for gaming, but for productivity, where total processing throughput wins over latency.
You see the FPS drops in Spiderman, which I believe is due to the latency between CPU's - especially when the cache is in work. CS:GO as I can see, only one of the CPUs, so no problem there. Besides you want higher clockspeed than max turbo of 2.8 GHz.
I was wondering about the latency between the two CPUs and was also surprised to see most games using threads from both physical CPUs. I'm tinkering with a T7610 with dual E5-2687w CPUs. I pulled out the 2nd CPU and moved all the ECC RAM to the CPU 1 memory slots and this video had me wondering if I should put the 2nd CPU back in or not.
I have one of them as a secondary PC as a hyper-v server and it does its job well. however there are a few downsides. windows 10 drivers for the sata and sas controller where hard to find and not present at the dell or intel website. found some drivers with a driverpack. also some GPUs with more then 8gb are sometimes not detected and the PC will not boot. buying memory is cheap but can also be tricky as it just does not like some modules. power consumption at max load is insane at 450ish watt but makes for a nice space heater.
I still use this system everyday but would only recommend for someone who know what they are potentially getting into
This power load is insane for such a slow headache maker How bad it is in idle?
@@naamadossantossilva4736 its not that bad. most of the time my VMs do very little and i use the PC more as a NAS so it only draws 25watt to 30watt per CPU. it just goas stupid when i do video encoding or some other CPU taxing task on the PC
and yea its not the fastest PC anymore but i run 2x6 core with HT so 24 treats and for VMs cores are more important then speed.
the inside aesthetics of the machine is perfect :O kind of reminds me my old asus x99 sabertooth motherboard
I was in the middle of doing this exact build, but the refurbished Dell Precision I bought off of eBay died within a week of owning it. Sucks. Now I'm in the process of selling off the parts, I returned the PC but I bought RAM, new CPU's, GPU, etc.
You should throw one of those 4079s that only use a single 8 pin into one of these systems
2:17 now I'm thinking about a crossover episode with you and Matt Easton from Schola Gladiatoria 🤣
That weird handle on the side panel can easily be removed using a flat screwdriver or flat spatula. I built one a few weeks ago and it does not take much of an effort to remove.
Interesting review. I was wondering what a system like this would do in terms of performance.
Seems like, where both CPUs can be used with no problem, you get better performance than in cases where you can only use one CPU.
But hey, this gives me an idea - one CPU for gaming and the other for streaming/background services?
Plus, of course, they do these workstations with higher end Xeons that go all the way to 14 cores/28 threads, so if you had one of those, you wouldn't need two Xeon's.
Had the same idea. This config would be ideal since you don’t „steal“ any performance because most games only utilize one CPU. The other can be for streaming, home server etc. 32 GB in the whole system is also very good for this.
I recently built a Xeon 2670 v3 build similar to that system, 16 GB DDR4, RTX 2080, 500 GB NVMe SSD for pretty cheap. Sub $400. I had the case and power supply, so that saved a good bit of money. It’s actually very impressive as long as the GPU is the bottleneck. It can play plenty of games in 4K. I tested Destiny 2 and God of War, they ran great at 4K, the system is for my nephew.
My video editing system is running dual Xeon E5-2697v2 (Ivy Bridge, one generation newer than the Sandy Bridge you're using here), with 24 cores and 48 threads. A screamer for video encoding, comparable to current gen i9 systems. And it looks really cool with the massive side by side dual fan heat syncs on them. :) Uses an enormous amount of electricity when under load, so you need a beefy PSU to run this and a good GPU with it (I'm using an RTX2060, which is more than enough for encoding). One of the biggest advantages of the E5 Xeons is the number of PCIe lanes available, which many people overlook. With 40-48 lanes depending on the model, you can run the M.2 OS drive, a hardware RAID controller for the data drive, and 2 (though I'm only using 1) GPUs at full capacity at all times. If you're using a 'modern' CPU with only 16 PCIe lanes, you're going to bottleneck on the data bus.
It could be very interesting to see how this cpu's you test performs in cpu intensive emulation software, like rpcs3.
I have a Dell T7500 with 2 Xeons and 96GB of ram that I use as a homelab running Proxmox. It's a lot of fun.
I run the same rig in an HP workstation purchased for $600. I changed the E5-2630 v2 X2 to E5-2667 v2 X2 @3.3 GHz and increased cpubenchmark score from 12,582 to 21,158 for $150. Cinebench r20 score now 5091, r23 score now 12545.
The LGA 2011's locking system I always liked. One wonders why Intel didn't adapt it for their more recent CPUs for more consistent locking pressure.
Because it's expensive of course
I would love to see testing with process lasso being used to limit games to running on one numa node/cpu. Also, Apex Legends lets you remove the fps cap if you add +fps_max 0 into the launch options, though there is an engine cap at 300 fps.
Glad to see the age old "buy an old prebuilt and throw in a graphics card" approach still works.
We've just evolved from office machines to workstations
You should check out the Intel Xeon E5-2667 V2, its basically between a Ryzen 7 1700 and 1700X but can be had around 25-30 USD
Just got one last week to replace a 2650 v2. Runs great and even system responsiveness improved significantly
Cool test. Really glad you did this test so I don't have to. I don't think games like 2 CPUs - I recommend 1 e5 2667v3 or v4
You should try one of them Ali Express x99 boards with a v3 Xeon they work decently especially if overclocked just make sure it's one of the x99 with a vrm cooler since they get pretty toasty
Yeah I’ve been meaning to for a while
I've been looking at X58, X79, X99 and even X299 boards. What I like about these is the ability to have more SATA slots and more RAM slots compared to that of a standard motherboard, as most boards have 4 RAM slots (some budget ones even only have 2 slots).
@@RandomGaminginHD I love mine I got a e5 2666 v3 16gb memory and a pretty decent quality motherboard for £140 the built in io shield was a nice plus as well
I have a x79 E5 2650v2 that I got with 16gb of RAM and a decent motherboard for about 100 dollars (there's kits for around 90 now) the single threaded performance leaves a bit to be desired but it's a beast in multi core and games that can utilize all of its cores well (one that comes to mind is Battlefield V) run exceptionally well. One of the best bang-for-your-buck CPUs if you have a very low budget, in my opinion. Might want to look to get a x99 instead, like you said, because the upgrade path is better.
Another interesting option is the LGA1366 series of Xeons, like the E5 2420 and 2420v2, that can be found with 8gb of RAM and the motherboard on Ali for around 75 dollars, and they run games like Warzone at over 60fps quite consistently.
@@GrayKeyboard With some of the aliexpress x79 boards, if you set "0" for the boost timeout, the chip will stay at it's "all cores" boost frequency all the time. Easy basic overclock, provided you have a decent heatsink attached.
Until I got my current rig during lockdown, I'd not built a computer since 2008 due to budget constraints, and it was often systems like this. Not dual CPU of course, but a second hand office Dell with a cheap GPU slapped up its arse.
The first 2 were disasters, ran fine at first, but both times the GPU(both were ATI Radeon HD cards, have used NVidia ever since) massively overheated and warped the motherboard so badly it wouldn't boot any longer. Forced me to use a Pentium 4 in 2012 as I'd run out of budget and it was going for a fiver. It would at least let me have a game of Football Manager as long as I played in 2D, and allowed me to use office programs and web browsers, too.
You sir are a good guy, the fact you've came up when searching for shit you have made it more promising to me to get the dell emc t440 as my gaming system is getting old now and I'm waiting for ddr5 to me fixed and I Need a server system anyway as smart home and other shit I do like ue5 and houdini workloads means a server will help me so I can keep waiting on ddr5 tech to improve
I have the same workstation with 64GB of memory and two GTX 1660 super in it. I did a lot of 3D rendering and this system works great for my needs.
Done any gaming on that bad boy?
@@PrjctWRX no I’m not a gamer. Not by any means.
@@DiyintheGhetto at least you’re happy with your setup :)
@@PrjctWRX I’m for what it does. I have 50TB storage on it. I forgot to mention.
I'm still running my old Xeon E3 1230-v3 as a daily driver. Paired with my 6700XT (yes, overkill) it's still capable of most games. Just played RE8 Shadows of Rose in 4k without any problems. Still planning to upgrade early next year.
Update,.. leme guess its dead anymore 😂
@@rave1158 PC still working fine, but since I bought a new one I don't use it often anymore
Awesome content! I would love to see benchmarks with upgraded cpu. Something like a pair of e5 2690's or 2643 v2's as these are as cheap as 10 USD on eBay these days. I'm guessing the higher clocks would help immensely in gaming.
Dumb question I just got a q
W-2145 8 core 3.7ghz xeon workstation for cheap will it bottleneck a 4070/4080. My tv is 4 I'm going to play cyberpunk elden ring and Alan Wake 2.
Woow Dave! That is a nice server machine you got there. Even with it's age included. Try put Proxmox VE on it, a few HDD and SSD and install a Windows VM, install secondary GPU for passthrough and show us a benchmark through there. And comparison with the barebone WinOS install. Wish this would came true. Because it's an ideal machine for that journey for you. Promise.
I own the T5800 version. Quite well made and not too shabby performance wise.
This is just awesome. If i ever get my hands on this machine, i can be knock off Steve Rogers, protecting people from expensive PC parts. I'll always wanted to be a superhero growing up
I've been using dell workstations as cheap rigs for a a few years now. A T5810 is a good budget rig now being able to take v4 xeons and ddr4 . A T7810 will do you duals and if you want expansion overkill a T7910. I'm currently running a T7920 with dual 18 core Xeon gold 6140's with an RTX2070. The main thing about these workstations for me is the low noise. Mines runs 36 cores on cinebench and the fans don't even become audible.
Cool video. Nice to see content with these machines. I have a T5610 which was the Ivey Bridge refresh of the line. I have it paired with a GTX 1070 Extreme from Zotac. Runs great.
I would say in many cases it also runs circles around my i5 8400 system which I originally bought as a work from home PC. I run Linux so maybe part of it is OS related. Not sure. Also with the workstation I can disable Spector and Meltdown mitigations from the Bios which also improves performance a bit. It would be nice if overclocking was an option with my system but definitely not a requirement.
Nice green grass over there 👍 combined with the shield, look awesome
Just curious if you ever did an update with some of the requests below. Thanks and keep up the great videos. Oh 1 more? what do you do with the hardware after your done reviewing it?
I am running a single 4core 8thread xeon with 32gb of ddr3. I upgraded my gtx 680 ftw 4gb to an 8gb 6600 from amd and running my games quite well. My board and chip can even handle 64gb of ram as is and as high as 128gb if I update the bios. My board even supports ddr 3 server ram (ECC) if I want to use it. Nothing brag worthy but still getting the job done quite nicely in spite of its age.
I'm still using Dell T5500,
Dual Xeon X5675, RAM 68GB, 1TB SSD + 4TB HDD & GTX 980 Ti.
Still a beast to me, even doing 3D work for my job and light gaming.
Got a dual 8-Core Xeon coupled with and RTX A2000. Pretty solid as a day to day and CPU intense workloads (given the price) and even for 4K editing. Don't play much games but I have done a couple of benchmarks and noticed the same thing: good average FPS but noticeable dips here and there. Remember, the GPU's PCI-E slot is linked to one CPU only so the other CPU can reach it via NUMA. I can't think of a single video game optimised for such setup.
@RandomGaminginHD i run dual intel xeons x5675's with 28gb of ddr3 ram, a 1tb ssd for windows 7 pro 64bit, and a 4tb internal storage drive for my personal files and games. i dont really use steam that much anymore, dont have a lot of time for gaming like i use to, now that im working 4 days a week. but anyways its a powerfull beat i love it. was planning on upgrading to dual x5690's at 3.46ghz vers 3.09ghz. i use my pc for virtual machines and modding windows, and playing games of coarse video editing photo shop, and some 3d modeling. and to be quite frank with you its still a power house even in 2024 cosnidering its almost 20 years old now considering it was relased in 2010/2009.
My current rigs are an X79 sporting a Xeon E5-1650v2 @ 4.2GHz and X99 with an E5-1660v3 that I haven't quite made much use of yet. It was a fun experience to cobble those two systems together. It's amazing how well an overclockable Xeon can still hold on in today's landscape.
How did you overclock the Xeons. Didn't the 2010ers Xeons have microcode that prevented overclocks?
@@Quast the 16 e5 v3's are the last truly overclockable xeons. The 1 denotes single socket compatability only, so I guess Intel figured yeah just let it go for the lone processors, since they took it away from every other socket configuration first. But that was a long time ago. And now even that is gone so keep an eye out. These are the last chips that can get an actual overclock upwards of 30% from stock. Broadwell was/is garbage, Haswell less so. But the xeons from the same generations are another (and the final) story for overclocking
@@Quast Broadwell and newer 12xx and 16xx Xeons are locked. If you were for whatever reason looking at an E5-1660v4, just get an i7-6900K instead. Similar stock performance, but you can still overclock it.
This shows up just as I ordered a HP Z620 with a single E5 2690 and 64Gb RAM for £99. Waiting to receive it and see if it is the 8, 10 or 12 core model. Cheap workstation for maximum bang for buck!
P.s. what do you think I should pair with it? Rx6600, Rtx 3050?
Hmmm the 6600 might bottleneck because of the PCIE bandwidth. Does the Z620 have 3.0 or 2.0?
I run the same rig in an HP workstation. I changed the E5-2630 v2 X2 to E5-2667 v2 X2 @3.3 GHz and increased cpubenchmark score from 12,582 to 21,158 for $150
the prospect of getting a medieval shield is really tempting
Great vid 👍 thanks...how loud is the machine? And is a power monster? - I've looked at old servers before, but they generally sound like a vacuum cleaner - thanks
It’s a lot quieter after replacing the paste but there’s a front fan (small) behind the dvd drive that is quite loud!
This will be a GPU passthrough beast!