Old Xeon vs New i5... FIGHT
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It's time for another 'Why do I build PCs with Used Xeons' video, this time matching up an E5-1660 v4 from 2016 against a brand new Rocket Lake Core i5-12600k. Which one comes out on top for workstation performance? How about gaming? And should you consider a Xeon-based system here in 2022?
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I like how you do stuff with old Xeons. One of the few RUclipsrs that does that. I really like it! I'm a homelabber too, upgrading to an Dell R730 with a single E5-2650v4 soon :)
Single? Were you planning to get a dual motherboard?
@@ingusmant it's..... A server... It has dual sockets as standard... Duh!
Currently using a 2696 v3 with the turbo unlock mod. Works well
@BMG Ghost AliExpress has a few mb that will do the job.
@BMG Ghost I guess some sellers could do that just like eBay I guess, but I've been ordering through AliExpress for years now and have yet to have a bad experience 👍
Currently running a E5-2667 V4 on an X99 board, basically the same as the E5-1660 V4, but with 5mb more cache and 5W less TDP. Paired with a GTX 1070 it's running everything I need just fine.
Funny you say that, i'm using xeon 1270v2 with gtx 1660super and i'm playing everything (20.08.2023) Not the highest settings but high steady 60fps. The only game that told go fuck myself was Uncharted (due to lack of support) and Cyberpunk which still runs but only in high 40-50s. Some people are still sleeping on these cpu's.
Emulation?
Bro, the 1660 v4 qk3s takes 4.6Ghz and 3200mhz with xmp 2.0, so it has a performance very similar to the 5600x
Turbo unlock is totally fine, it's the highlight of that platform and one reason to get it. Performance of these Xeon systems is good enough for most tasks, with ecc RAM and heaps of PCIe lanes the nice advantages.
And it supports Bifurcation, which can be used for some nice storage shenanigans.
May i ask what is ecc memory and what is for? Can i use standard rams on xeons
@@drexter09 yes you can.Ecc memory is used on servers and has an additional memory module that checks if the info in all other memory banks goes without mistakes. (Or something like that)
For example, I ran E5-2670v3 with 16 gigs of desktop ddr4 memory. But this cpu can also work with server memory too, without any problems.
The most important aspect here is to avoid mixing the memory. Because ECC and standard desktop memory won't work together at the same time.
Also, the MB must support the ECC ram... There are several kinds of ECC (ECC, ECC-reg, different voltages) with different specs- the Xeon chip itself will handle any just fine, but some mobos are finicky about some. Also can't mix different ECC types at once
Old Xeons rule, I use them in my homelab as well. Really cost effective!
Unrelated: please present data in charts and put a semi transparent background. These numbers are hard to read in the current format and the font choice doesn’t help either.
These older Xeons are fantastic for gaming. What also helps is Quad Channel Memory controllers.
They're good. But they shine in multithreaded apps. I used to build my pcs with xeon ES processors, or the rare super cheap full release xeon when they were old enough, always great bang for the buck.
@@geort45what’s the specs of your rig?
I'd be interested in these tests on old Epyc chips as well. I've had pretty good experiences with chips like the 7401P or the 7601, and the CPUs themselves are only around ~$300 at this point which is pretty crazy considering the core counts on offer.
One of my servers is running an Epyc 7601. It definitely holds up as well, or even better, than these V3 and V4 Xeons.
@@CraftComputing Rome is finally getting payable. Got a Epyc7282 on a Supermicro H11SSL-i for 650€. Add 300€ for 128GB DDR4-2666 ECC Reg and i now have a nice proxmox server with all the PCIe lanes XD.
Jeff have you
Disabled the Specter & Meltdown Patches in Windows for the old Xeons or not ? They hit these old Xeons quite hard for no real reasons like Gaming and as a Workstation.
Definitely; This is a must for using Xeon for gaming and production. Unless it's a server the mitigations make no sense.
I tested in Windows 11, where the patches are part of the kernel. I don't think you can disable them. But you are correct, speculative execution is only a vulnerability in VM environments.
Realistically though, esp with win11, people aren't going to disable it. So benchmarks are relatable to "real world" use for majority of users.
@@CraftComputing The GRC InSpectre tool seems to identify affected models and apply a registry setting to disable the mitigations. But I can only verify Win10 success
an HP Z-420 w/1650v2 and an ASRock epc602 w/2x2670v1
@@stephen1r2 THANK YOU!
Jeff, I'm absolutely loving the attitude and swagger in this video! Keep it up
I love your dedication to what older machines are capable of ..keep up the great reviews
Your videos have guided most of my decisions to buy xeons to build my lab. I´am pretty happy with the results!
Another great video, thanks for the work. Reminds me of my daily drivers.
My three systems are :
12th gen intel, only rocking 12100f but its a z690 mobo and ddr5 so i can upgrade to a bigger chip when Raptor Lake hits. The single thread performance is amazing.
My workstation is a x79 2697v2 12 core and ASUS Rampage IV, good little BCLK combo. Amazing how stable and smooth this system is, ECC memory in quad channel is superb.
And i still love my little 2600k z77 setup, SLI gtx960s, fun little overclocking practice system, and for an 11year old chip, still plays everything. Plus the whole sytem cost about 350aud in parts.
The new games can take advantage of more number of core, and that will make the old xeon Processors a really good value for budget gamers,
I have xeon e5 2650 v2, I bought it with 16gb of ddr3 ram and x79 motherboard for under 100 dollars and i run them with rx6600 at 2k resolution, the experience is very good specially with DX12 and Vulkan games
Nice review. You just saved me from performing this experiment myself. Thanks a lot !!!
the only guy that i dont skip his ads , keep it up champ easily my fav tech chanel thanks for all the info you gave us over the years
Seems like most people these days could have a combined gaming and server machine - even streaming gaming through VMs with GPU pass-through.
Very interesting, thank you for this valuable testing
Excellent ^_^ The higher resolutions like 1440p and 4k REALLY level the playing field, shifting the load to the GPU. A uniquely suited use case for an old V3/V4 Xeon might be an HTPC. Hook to an old 60Hz 4k TV, lock the FPS, and use the PCIE Lanes for some super fast IO like storage controllers for a NAS/ Media library, Faster network controllers, a spare old Quadro for video encoding etc. That being said, there are "middle of the road" options between these new 12th gens and the old Xeons. Enter, the used Ryzen. 3700x and 3900x are coming way down and would provide a price/$ balance between these two offerings. Let's say you play at 1080p high refresh (120FPS+), are on a budget, you still need multithread for other workloads, and the Xeon just can't push about 100FPS in your favorite game. A 3000 or 5000 series ryzen with cheap B450 or B550 could be looking spicy ^_^
I think this video was awesome would you mind doing a quick follow up of the xeons stock vs an overclock at the maximum speed they can run?
One of the most interesting vids I watched for the past month.
Still, I'd invest more to have a rig that will perform good on future games for 2-3 years ahead.
I have a X79 1680 v2 xeon system use it for gaming and video editing but learned that I need more lanes on a next build 20-24 is to low. This was a budget build and am glad to have went with the x79 platform lasted me many years however newer titles running AVX2 are starting to show age of the system. X99 or X299 is my upgrade path for sure Great video cheers 🍻
I did the same about 16 months ago, from X79/1680v2/8x4GB DDR3 to x99 ($99)/2678v3($85)/4x8GB DDR3. Very nice upgrade, IMO. Then, when XEON prices dropped I upgraded to E5-2696v3 ($45) and 4x8GB DDR4 ($66); sold off the 2678v3 and DDR3 to get the upgrade for net $16. BIG upgrade with the 2696v3 (w/turbo unlock, of course). Will now upgrade from GTX1080Ti to RTX 2080Ti ($220)...about the only upgrade left for this system.
Current setup:
Huananzhi X99TF (ver.1) [BIOS TU w/Mi899 tool]
E5-2696v3 [18C/36T, max turbo 3.8GHz, 145W TDP, DDR3 or DDR4 compatible; all core 3.2 Ghz, up to ~8 cores at 3.8, up to ~14 cores at 3.5]
4x8GB DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance
GTX1080Ti (undervolted)
For the money, a very capable platform.
@@jb678901 your Xeon runs maximal ddr4 2133 mhz
I recently did a build for a friend with a Z440 e5 1660 v4 32gb of RAM and paired it with an RX 6800 XT. It runs games just as good as my Alienware R12 with an 11400f and RTX 3070. Only thing I think you should've mentioned in this video is if you want to change the PSU in the Z440 you need an adapter or you have to manually pin out the 24 pin connector
Love the channel and the love for old xeons. Rocking a 2697A v4 and 5500xt, it's about a $250 build, games as well as I want.
@Craft Computing
"Physics drink!" Just awesome! I'm not a beer drinker, but I'm going to have to try one of these!
Like how even though you probably only built the test bench i5 build for the video it still looks so tasteful and clean
What about really CPU intensive Games like Battlefield or Anno 1800?
This is awesome to hear because wheni get a chance I want to build my own old pc for something useful like running code or not sure as of just yet
You are an inspiration!! I just pulled the trigger on most of the core build of the z440. Is there any reason why a 6700 XT would be problematic with this build?
@CraftComputing Can you send a link to the BIOS mod you used for the Z440?
Would have loved to see some transcode numbers thrown out since you mentioned at at the end. Thanks for the comparison!
Transcode would come down to GPU performance if you're talking about NVENC. For codecs that Intel QuickSync supports, that feature is only available on 7th Gen and newer CPUs, so it's not present on v3 or v4 CPUs. Transcode software performance is going to be similar to the MT scores from Cinebench R32, with the 12600K taking a huge win.
I'd like to see the xeons compared to something like used ryzen 1600af with ECC capable motherboard as well.
Excellent video thank you.
Did you happen to gauge the wattage of each build? Does the reduced build cost with old xeons get offset by reduced run cost of the i5?
Yearly run cost for my Xeon is something like $25. That's not including the GPU, monitor or drives. Your GPU is the real power consumer. More than the rest of the PC combined when gaming.
how did you do the turbo boost mod on the z440?
I love this video, most tech videos do not consider older (particularly 2nd hand parts). However I think you should have included some lower end modern parts.
For budget it would be nice to compare a 2nd hand i3-10105F with 2666mhz ram, and a B560 motherboard (to allow better upgrade path to 11th gen). Then as a new build alternative an i5-12400F with 3200mhz ddr4 ram. I think these will have a cost price much closer to the xeon, and have a gaming performance very close to the stock i5-12600k. I think these are much better alternatives to someone considering buying an xeon.
More videos like this would be greatly appreciated.
Hey Jeff - cool video, and I affirm your justification for parts choices being realistic purchase options (as opposed to using a 3090ti). A quick request - could you perhaps add less transparent backdrop to presenting your benchmark results with some way of delineating rows and columns clearly, perhaps shrinking it slightly relative to the screen size so they're contained within a more clear modal? Having them run over the top of the moving video with changing colours behind etc makes it hard to read and starts to induce a headache a little bit, and the quality is quite juxtaposed compared to your high-quality set and backdrop when you're on screen.
Hi mate, thanks for the content! I'm interested in old used xeons for productivity only, no gaming. Can't find any modern benchmarks for these guys so I'm hestiant either to get one and take the risk or just invest in a new cpu at higher cost. Trying to assemble a home server, and folks at reddit r/homeserver told me even an i7-4770 would beat an e5-2650 v4 since it's an ancient processor, which left me confused and doubtful. Would you be making any video soon covering the productivity aspect of these old processors? Thanks!
I remember when playing games and getting 30fps meant you had a top of the line system
I am a little confused. I think that the Brodawell (v4) e5-26xx chips can't be unlocked and all the 16xx chips can go max on all cores..."turbo unlockled" within the TDP limitation (or maybe just the Haswell and Broadwell). I think if you tried to run a Broadwell with the turbo unlock microcode it wouldn't run... but I may be mistaken.
Im still rockin a x5675 z600
Could you plz do a video on scalable xeon lga 3647 based system?
Wanted to know how bad would it be taking such a system like the hp z6 (since i have a 6150 and 256gb of ecc ddr4 already in hand)
Hi Geoff I'm about to get a Z440 2683 v4 16core xeon I'm hoping to upgrade the truenas 4790k I built with old parts. It's coming with 64gb of ddr4 ram not sure if it's ecc yet I'm pretty excited should be here the 25th.
Do you have any advice migrating the 4x8tb drives I'm going to just go into settings and upload my last saved settings.
Also I've got two nic's to try ones hp 10gbe dual or a dell version. When trying it on the 4790k both gave troubles.
Thank you for making your great videos.
P.s.s. could you make an updated video on getting truenas scale and plex with an nvidia card like the 3060 for hardware decoding.
I have a Xeon 1650 on a z420 tower. Threw in 32 gb of qaud channel ddr3, a ssd drive and a 1060 6gb and it handles every game I throw at it very well.
Where to get the turbo unlock bios for the Z440? Anyway, there is no point with the v4....
Still rocking my old Dell T5610 with 2 E5-2650 V2s and 128 GB of RAM and a GTX 1070. Does everything I need it to be it video work or gaming.
I like that you are talking transfers for memory.
I've seriously considered changing my setup into a Z840. I don't gane much, especially not newer games that may require the CPU. With the supposed reports that you can offer ~$250 for 2696v4's, it would make for a killer workstation that would allow me to run anything and everything I would want to _at the same time._
YEP soon ill get 22 CORE rig WITH those 10 CORES TURBU ABOVE 3ghz it will be nice for the gaming @FHD and workstation things + i can create a Hyper-V server to host my favorite games on an extream budget
You can find them for 130 or less on eBay all the time! They have the highest single core performance of all of the Broadwell Xeons which is about equivalent to a 10th or 11th gen Core chip, recently put 8 into my cluster of servers and they're awesome chips.
The e5 2697 v4 are better and the 99 22 cores are to much
Thinking of picking up a Z440 E5-1650V4. I currently have an i5 2500k at 4.5ghz, 32gb of ram, ssd and rx 6650 xt. Would i notice a big difference in performance?
Jeff you said you used the turbo unlock for z440. Does it work for the xeon "v4"?
Also, what IPA would you recommend me to buy for a friend? He loves IPAs, not too fruity and not sugary. His everyday drink is lagunitas IPA and also enjoys firestone mind haze as well. Thanks in advance.
not for v4, only v3
I got a system with a Xeon E5 2670V3 (12 core/24threads) with 16gb ram in Quadchannel(2400mts). Still very capable for almost anything that requires many cores.
I was waiting to see that beer after you mentioned it on Talking Heads 😁 THHIICCCC
Interesting would be at a given price point, what can you do one way or the other?
Could someone please post a link about the turbo unlock mod for the Z440? I have found that the HP BIOS is encrypted and very hard to perform the same mod as some of the DIY X99 motherboards.
Look for a video on RUclips titled failing to unlock z440. There is a guide in the description. Some guys on a Ukrainian fourm figured it out.
Im looking for a lonovo p500 mod 😀
May i ask what is ecc memory and what is it for? Can i use standard rams on xeons
Thanks, I wanted to build new PC but I got old Dell precision with Xeon v4 and 32GB RAM for 300usd, threw 3070 in it - no regrets, works like a charm. And it even has cast aluminium handles, show me this feature on any other case on the market 😀
My HP Z440 just got delivered an hour ago with an E5-1650v4!!!
My God you're ruthless :) I love it
which core i series is equal in performance for e5 2690 v4?
Thx buddy for your z440 suggestion, after your last video about these I ordered one on ebay that came with a crappy cpu, 32gb of ramand a 256gb ssd for 160$can delivered...
Ordered a 2666v3 from aliexpress for 40$can...
I don't think I could find any better for 200$cad...
Just a note: it really depends on the game. Games with simulation often use a single thread as the master. Essentially, any time frame delivery or pacing depends on CPU, there will be slow downs or stutters. Unfortunately, these issues are just plain hard to pin to titles.
For the large majority of games, these CPUs are okay, but for complex RTS/sims, and some VR titles, I would avoid anything with low single thread performance.
Where the heck do you get the 1660v4? Id have to pay 285 for the cpu alone, and im currently looking for a 1680v4 for my z440 which is like 450€ on fucking aliexpress
I have a 1660 v4 and upgrading to 1440p should I use a 2070 2070ti 3060 or 3060ti? I have easy access to all of the above which one should I upgrade to??
I am using RTX 3070 and 2690 v4 which perform similar to 1660 v4 in gaming. And its doing great. so you can buy either of the mentioned GPU without worrying
Does this xeon support for example ddr4 ram with xmp profile 2666mhz? Or only 2133 or 2400 is supported?
You can use any RAM but it will be limited to 2133/2400 depending on the CPU.
will dual xeon e52687W will work good with unreal engine 5?
I'm running a number of Xeon machines. Such good value. Could do with some better graphics cards which should be coming on the market here at better value shortly. Running a couple of E5-2640 V4's, an E5-2650 V3 with 64GB (because I got a stunning deal on the memory) and a couple of others.
Will the hp take a 12 core from the same generation?
I'm about to replace my xeon workstation but I figure 12c/24t will make a fine VM box once I've built my new workstation.
More info on the bios mod please
I'm curious about the power draw of those Xeons vs the i5 system under load and idle.
Also, going with DDR5 was kind of an obvious way to stack the deck price wise against the i5 system. Not a huge amount, but still.
Also, would have been interesting to see a 5600 or 5600x build thrown in the mix.
Power draw will be similar, because Intel is cheating on TDP of consumer chips, and it does not consider boost, when it comes to DDR5 memory I thought the same
I love the older Xeon's. I'll be the first one to say a Chinese x99 with 1660v3 which can be overclocked can still hold up REALLY well against modern stuff.
Hey !
I'm commenting .
Not too knowledgeable in terms of what to look for in hardware yet .
But can I recommend a metric of benchmarking that's very overlooked ?
As in a past few days I've noticed a trend between games scaling differently in utilization with different processors .
A weird realization , but seems kinda relevant after I discovered your videos on hyper-v and gpu splitting .
If you see this comment , and want to know .
I'll elaborate further .
This comment is already too long .
Yeah that beer really should come in those small 8oz cans, really any more and its just too sweet.
Technically I think it was 8oz of beer and 8oz of chocolate cake.
@@CraftComputing Dont forget the cinnamon
You've got to keep in mind power consumption too, especially at idle as most computers and especially servers spend most of their time at near idle.
Older server CPUs are far more efficient at idle than new server CPUs but I don't know the figures for the 12600k or the impact of overclocking the Xeon.
Can you try with E5-2696V4 and v3, I have dual setup of both but don't know hwat it would be like with a 3080ti. HP z840 for 850 AUD bare bones + each cpu was 200 - 300 aud each. Never intended it for gaming and dual would hurt it, but wanted stats
A friend of mine have been using a old xeon with one chinese machinist mobo and 16gb of ddr3 memory as a daily driver and boy he's super happy with the performance he's getting with his PC.
What about the older threadripper series by amd 1900x 1920x 1950x?? You can get em cheap now they used to cost 1k and 1200 ect just a few yrs ago
Could you add Graphs of the numbers in the future? This will help when looking at a dozen numbers on the screen for 8 seconds...
great video
(i know it without even have watched it completely for now)
How about old xeons for a startup homelab?
I mean, you hit the nail on the head there in the middle. Yeah, there may be a measurable difference. But only when you drag out the benchmarks, and use nanometer scale calipers to compare the 2 graphs. It's nice/interesting to know when one chip technically beats out another, but when it comes to my wallet, what matters is what I can see.
I'm not sure if this is true with the newer Xeon CPUs. But I had to upgrade from the Xeon platform to play VR.
I just built a new home box using a pair of Xeon Gold 6150 golds... It's a beast. I love it.
waaaaaow.... this was a very nice and informative video
Does turbo unlock works for 26xx v4 or 16xx v4 cpus?
no. only for v3 (except for 1650v3 and 1660 v3)
Is Turbo Boost possible on an E5 v4 CPU?? Didn’t know…
All core turbo unlock is possible only on V3 cpus
All core turbo unlock for v4 xeons? I thought it was only for v3? I have a 2680v4.. would it work for this chip too?
Does this bios turbo unlock work z840s? I have a single e5 1650 v4 that would benefit greatly from a turbo unlock
@@johnringgold3036 only v3 :(
I guess it’s fine because I get a steady 3.8 on my v4 anyway was just hoping for 4.0 thx
Great video I’m surprised they’re that close. I would love to see a Xeon build closer to the I5 price like a Xeon gold vs the i5 or E5 2698 v4 Xeon proxmox system with two VMs with gpus vs i5
Just bought two 2699 v4's under $300! Aud from recycle store! Will Upgrade soon, but the dual 2620 still does the job for now.
@@markaz2kk woah wtff
These 16xxV4 Xeons are bad value. What you want for a tight budget are 26xxV3/V4 series. I think the good old 2666V3 with unlocked turbo boost will be only marginally slower, but it costs like 4-5 times less.
I enjoy comparisons like this. I'm still running my i7-6900K (4.2ghz all/4.3ghz 2c) as my primary gaming system. I just don't see enough of an advantage for replacing my entire setup when CPU is the least important upgrade for gaming (I don't play super high fps titles).
yeah, I'm still using an ancient 4790k with a 3080 and I'm not especially convinced that the old CPU is really bottlenecking much. framerates in real life use are very good
what about dual Xeon? 2x 2699v3 maybe ? or maybe dual 2690v4 which has better single core performance but less cores
I just wanna know what is inside his glass next to the aluminum can👀
I have been trying to explain this to people for years! 💪🏿
Im looking at a gaming pc with a Xeon E3-1275 V2 3.50 ghz with a 32 Ram, 1 TB SSD and 2 TB hard drive. Would that be good for gaming and editing? First gaming desktop this will be
I would recommend going for the e5-1650v4 if possible
it's sits between a i7 7700k and a i7 8700k
@@Zeroneii3 well to late now. I was scammed out of it. So yeah.
@@A21-EDITS21 that sucks
@@Zeroneii3 yeah. Had the wrong storage only 1 TB not both. But the good news is I sold it at a place that buys computers and sold my monitor and got 100$ I think for that I forget. But as well as a 1 TB m.2 SSD for my laptop but my laptop didn't like it. So keeping that for a future PS5 . Incase you were curious. Lol
My question isn't about the Xeon processors. My question is if you have any IPA recommendations for someone who has not had any in a long time because of prescription meds. (I may be taken off of some diabetes meds soon!)
I built my kids a gaming system each, using older intel and amd cpu's with a gtx980 founders, 32gig of 2300ram and ssd... They play games all the time and it works absolutely fine... Minecraft, overwatch, fortnight all work great and they have a brilliant time... Systems cost me very little, being old servers I didn't need anymore..you don't need the latest and greatest cpu in order to play the modern titles... As long as you gauge your expectations accordingly..so good job with this review and I see exactly where you are coming from.. 👍👍
Just one comment if I may: $ 1597 for the i5 case, but how much could you decrease it if you choose ddr4 ram.on average, ddr5 5200 don't offer that ..5-6 fps more?
a z440 with 64go , nvme ; wifi +bluetooth for 490$, it's tempting but
what worry me is the z440 is always a second hand stuff, it can break anytime ..and all inside is non-replaceable (motherboard and psu)
it chill me.
seems to have held up better than the 1st gen threadrippers
Great vid. I replaced my i7-3930K with a E5-2690v2 and saw + 10 degrees lower temps with no perceived slowdown. I did lose turbo 3800 to 3300. With E5 locked, is there a tutorial to use blk-strap/cpu-strap to turbo into the 3800 area with the E5?.................................................. Thank you............ Sabertooth X79.............. ; p
Oh, I don't think the HPs can be turbo unlocked as the bios is encrypted and checked each time you boot. I may be mistaken.
wonder if power consumption is okay and unlocked....too expensive....but my global ID stamps Xeon till now....have conflict with government restrictions kinda hard to own...
Excellent video! I love seeing these kinds of comparisons. You don't always need to go newest generation.
For more than triple the cost, you're definitely not getting triple the performance. I don't think storage and gpu should be factored in because you would be purchasing those regardless of which setup you went with.
They should be factored in because you're getting them eitherway... though he couldve done like choosing different parts. Gone like full scrapyard for the xeon system vs full new. With the only same thing being the GPU. Because you can get old enterprise ssds and such too.
@@daymianhogue1634 eh, I am sticking to my my original thoughts. If you're going to buy the gtx3070 and the same storage regardless of what system you buy, then you're looking to cut costs with motherboard cpu and ram. 3.5 times the price of the motherboard cpu and ram isn't giving you 3.5 times the performance.
I think Jeff made this video for those more budget conscious. He's showing us receipts of where you can cut costs while still getting a decent rig.
Still rocking a 20/40 dual older xeon cpus in a hyoer-V server for applications and it even games. I build this without the GPU cost, 380usd and was influenced because of one of your x99 Chinese motherboard videos.
Will you do an all core turbo unlock guide on the z440?
This will be super helpful. There is no straightforward method as of now to turbo unlock the xeon v3 on the HP z440 because the BIOS is write protected. An unlock guide will be really helpful. The v4s cannot be turbo unlocked though.
There is a unlock guide on RUclips in the description of the video failing to unlock my z440 you do need a eprom programmer.
@@andrewmcewan9145 Thanks, just checked it out. Looks like it would work