BMW M4 vs Porsche 911 Carrera | evo TRACK BATTLE
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- Опубликовано: 29 июл 2014
- The BMW M3 coupe has morphed into the new M4, and with its closest rivals from Audi and Mercedes now very long in the tooth, we went seeking a rival from further up the food chain. Can the M4 do itself proud on Anglesey circuit against a proper sports car, the Porsche 911 Carrera?
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To be honest, driving either of these two cars would put a big silly smile on my face
In my opinion, this was by far the best track battle video that evo has produced. The narration was clean and focused. And using Marino Franchitti as the driver really gave credibility to the results! EVO, PLEASE CONTINUE TO USE THIS FORMAT!!!!
That 911 is absolutely gorgeous in those black wheels and bright silver colour.
Please let Marino do a lot more of these reviews! He is so great and its a pleasure listening to him.
Bit of stupid comparison. They are two quite different cars. The M4 is an everyday sports car, good space, comfort, fuel economy and lots of features. The porsche is more of a dedicated sports car and a lot more expensive. Either way I'd go for the M4, it's far better looking.
drummerdude Good looking Hahahah,good joke.
***** How about you act like a mature adult and accept that it's just someone else's opinion. There is no need to get insulting. It doesn't make you a tough guy hiding behind your computer on youtube.
they aren't very different, m4 cabriolet and Porsche 911 base are near the same pricing range
omg you clearly haven't been in either, the 911 a shit load more comfortable then the m4. have to love people who have no idea what they are talking about give opinions
***** That is your opinion, just like my opinion is mine.
I wish more Pro racers would do feedback/reviews on cars. They are really Informative not just drifting around and complaining about the noise e.g Mr sutcliff of Autocar.
Marino does an awesome job describing the driving behaviors of both cars.
Halleluja!! Agree.
sutcliff was a pro racer duhr
but.. drifting and noise is what makes normal driving awesome
+Kings mario i would like your comment twice if i could!
DRIVE just announced that they gonna move all their long video into subscription only. So EVO, plz stay and keep publishing these nice videos, way to be strong!
What? So you have to subscribe first to see their more lengthier videos?
ellieisfit15 I think you have to pay to see them
Oh yeah I just read,
I think it's stupid honestly, unless It's really amazing footage
ellieisfit15 Pay subscription. and it's not very cheap. Chris Harris explained as it's for their budget compensation. Anyway, unless their content is really unique and impressive, im very unlikely to pay for that
Duuuuuude don't give them ideas!
I like this new format. Seeing both laps together at the same time gives you a much better comparison between how each car behaves differently, and it helps the pace of the video feel better, so you're not watching the same thing twice.
The side by side view and useful commentary is brilliant. I hope future track battles are done this way; it really illustrated how composed the 911 was.
Wonderfully informative and pragmatic track review - love hearing about the minute details, like pedal travel and throttle application, how quickly the tires will overheat, low speed traction events, etc. People will always be in love with the "numbers" but if you're really into driving, this is the kind of stuff you want to know about.
911 is one of the best sports car ever
I would go far as to say it is probably the best SPORT car
It’s funny because dynamically it’s actually one of the worst
M4 is not designed to be an all out track car. It's a powerful badazz car you can drive everyday, in town or on a 10 hr road trip. N it was only 1.4 sec behind the porsche on the track. Are you buying one to drive on a track everyday? Hell no. both are great cars, but the M4 is my choice. All these youtube comments about this car sucks or this car blah blah blah. shows how immature and childish, not to mention spoiled, most people are. haha people used to travel by horse n buggy, be thankful for all the great automobiles we have available to us n pick you favorite flavor and move on.
+Joel Thomas That's why you have an M3 + 911 :)
+Joel Thomas the 911 sounds so much better. and believe me the 911 is also a better daily driver. they go over a road so smoothly. i have driven a base 911. and i daily a 991 gt3!!
M cars were intended to be weekend racers.
The base 911 is intended to be a road going sports car. The GT3 exist as the weekend racer variant for the 911.
The M cars are based on sporting coupes and sedans. Where as the 911 has been a sports car from it's original inception. Obviously all things are not equal for a reason.
Porsche also has an outstanding record of durability and oddly enough has better ride quality, but that doesn't mean The M4 isn't fun.
1.4 seconds is a big margin for a track time. thats not a small difference. The porsche just sounds like a better bilt and balanced car. that being said..different roles though. porsche is borderline impractical in most aspects.
I always thought the gt3 was a road worthy track car. it would probably stomp any track numbers any M series can put forth. its the closest to a "race" car.
Great new format. Like the comparison at the end with the cars on track at the beginning going flat out.
Thank you Marino, that was the most lucid commentary on driving I have ever had the pleasure of hearing.
Love your car reviews guys…please continue the same path, big fan of EVO
fantastic video. Love hearing real racing drivers talk about the dynamics of cars around racetracks.
Great episode. Well thought out perspectives on the dynamics of each car from a pro. I'm always amazed at the almost clinical analysis pro drivers provide.
Epic track!
Great commentary from the chap, enjoyed it very well!
Thanks for another nice video.
Two of the greats. I would love to see how the Cayman GTS does compared to these two. Anyone else thinking that?
I think the GTS would be even faster than the Carrera. The Carrera is only marginally quicker than the Cayman S.
ewt415 The test done earlier against Cayman S was a Carrera without the 20mm lower sport suspention, the PTV diff and PDK. The car in this test has all that and I believe this lap time will be hard to beat for many other cars. I do not know the Cayman GTS well enough to predict something, but my gut feeling tells me the Carrera is faster.
ewt415
It won't. The GTS is nothing but a slightly spiced up S, another thing would be the Cayman GT4.
Love you guys' track battle!
I really like the new format of these videos. Very good.
Amazing video yet again. Love your reviews.
Just want I was looking for. Thank you for the great comparison!
Check Out our Bmw M3 F80 Videos with a lot of nice modifications for extra Power ;)
brilliant style of vid. really well explained by a proper racing driver as well. more of this please.
So interesting hearing pros talk about these cars; love the way they break it all down. Fascinating insight.
Awesome review and driving impressions. Thanks!
More reviews from this gentleman would be great. Thanks!
Cool feedback from Marino. Always facinates me how race drivers are able to articulate what the car is doing. More please!
Such a good review/comparison!
Phenomenal EVO, thank you!
Very nice, and cool to see some reference points on the Speciale--really looking forward to seeing how the lap board fills out in the videos to come!
Particularly interested to see the 991 GT3 give the Speciale a run for its money.
Enjoying EVO's track battle series so far. I really want to see how the Cayman GTS, GT3, Turbo S, GTR, RS, M and AMG cars handle this amazing track.
One of the best head to head style reviews I've ever seen. It was so refreshing listening to Mr Franchitti's conclusions as someone who absolutely knows what they are talking about, talking complete sense. It seems to me other reviews rely more on exciting tire smoke shots to make their videos worth watching where as watching this was much more useful in coming to understand what the cars are actually like.
You get such a better review when a proper racing driver does the driving, as an example: almost unanimously all reviewers seems to gripe about the new electric steering on the 991 911. But Mr Franchitti must not have found that to be holding him back as he didn't mention it and I have heard Tiff Needel say that he doesn't really see the problem with the electric assist system. Tiff conceded it isn't as good but he can still feel all he needs to feel. Totally different opinions than lots of the other reviewers out there who seem personally offended by it. Anyway my point is, please do more reviews like this! Thanks!
I don't think the results of the lap times should be surprising to anyone. Though I was somewhat surprised to hear the upshifts on the PDK were "a little bit lazy" given that the transmission generally receives glowing reviews.
its the software bealive me ! they just leave the fasterst settings on carrera s
The upshifts are a bit lazy both on the Carrera and the Carrera S, I have driven both a lot on the track called Nûrburgring. Check my videos and you can hear it sometimes. But really it does not matter for anything else than it just sounds a little lazy on a few upshifts, it goes like hell :-)
Dag Johnsen so all that test are false about pdk ? i really think is the software ... and 2nd question what u think about 991 gt3 >?
991 GT3 is one hell of a car :-) about Carrera pdk, it sounds lazy in 1 out of 10 upshifts around the ring and I don't think it slows me down.
I really enjoyed Marino's commentary I agree with him about the throttle response.
A credible driver, understated music and voice over to help the average viewer understand the intricacies. IMHO, this is your benchmark video.
fantastic explanation from a qualified driver
Ist just great to listen to a driver who is really able to explain a cars attitude und behavior. It's an art, you get an impression how it feels - as close as its possible - without even have driven the car. Thanks a lot, this is the kind of review I like, crisp focus on driving 👍
Great video, I liked so much the comments of the driver at the end. Very nice.
great review! i wish more were like this providing such unbiased and knowledge information about the cars instead of fanboy bashing and nit picking over stupid preference changes
Gorgeous. Looks like a video game with that split screen...and what a track!
Love it!! Subbed!
Great assessment of the two cars. The M4 in sport plus to a new driver is extremely sensitive and requires a little getting used to fir sure.
Hands down one of the best reviews I've watched, explains with details and doesn't speak about which car looks better to impress 20y old chicks
Great review
Now we're talking. This series is what sports cars are about.
The 911 is about 600 lbs lighter.. Makes more of a difference than the the power. Not surprised by the result. You should mention that in the video.
bremms1 well put.
That's becuase it's a proper sports car and not an adapted saloon car. BMW fans seem to be deluded into thinking that their M cars are somehow special compared to all other modified saloon cars.
@@MD-uu5nt tbf an m car corners unlike most/if not all other saloon cars
@@MD-uu5nt In their price point they are the best in their categories, generally speaking
Nice, I like this way of reviewing these cars!
I love this format. Very interesting, because we can see directly the comportement of the car, I like.. Really
Moving track battles to Anglesey circuit was a brilliant idea.
I'm a BMW M owner/fan and on behalf of all BMW owners, we gracefully bow to the Porsche 911. It is still the best.
Horses for courses, BMWs are awesome cars, 911s are just a tad more track-orientated out of the box, and they are also more expensive cars in general.
@@trulyoffensive446 "Horses for courses" had to Google it, glad to add another idiom to my repertoire!
@@trulyoffensive446 better on the street as well.
i keep coming back to this video. that 911 is specced superbly
Great video. I really enjoyed listening to Marino explain how the cars performed.
fantastic video
Excellent! Thanks. I appreciate the use of a real racing driver for the comparison. Much better analysis than the average auto journalist can provide.
loved this video
You're comparing a base 90k car with a base 65k car.
Andrew Chung And you’re a butt-hurt BMW fan 🤣
911 is a mid engine and m4 front engine...
Super video!!!
I was a surprised to find the 911 smoother on the imperfect roads of New York compared to the M4.
@Yunxiang Bai yes you explained it perfectly , the 911 was built from the ground up to be a sports car, whereas the M4 has been transformed from a normal coupe to a perfomance car, so it doesnt feel quite as authentic
This is undoubtedly the most perfect head to head
Love how detailed Marino's comments were. Get him back for more tests.
EVO please put Mr Franchitti on the payroll. He talks sense and seems very modest. I'd like to see more of his opinions on cars.
I would love to see a Carrera S vs. Corvette C7 track battle! Please make it happen!
Lots of comments stating that the Porsche is more expensive but it has 75bhp less and is 1.4 secs quicker PER LAP,worth every cent if you ask me.It is not just because it is lighter but the handling is so much more superior.
Sometimes i can't help but wonder what a set of really good track tires like the Trofeo R's would do on the BMW. Actually it would be nice to see both vehicle fitted with the same exact rubber.
Lol, do you guys just wait until Chris Harris releases a video and then upload this right behind his? Anyways, great video.
It is very surprising, that the 911 [and the M4] was only so incrementally slower than the Ferrari. I guess, a Carrera S would definitely come much close to the Speciale and the Turbo [S] and GT3 might even bring the Ferrari into serious trouble...
The Turbo S is faster. The GT3 is on par, give or take a couple of tenths.
On a smaller track like this one maybe, it's all depending on the specific track. Too many people just see eg. "Oh it's only __ seconds behind" keep in mind on a different track with longer straights the Ferrari would demolish any of these two cars. That's what's great about the upcoming and previous GT3 RS' though...even though they removed the manual altogether
@joao soares the turbo s is faster then what, an Italia speciale? On what course? Oh you're talking about in a straight line. Ok, nobody really cares how fast a car is in a straight line when talking about exotics and super cars there bud, the turbo s is an AMAZING everyday super car but it isn't meant for the track and would get beaten handily by a speciale.
kuetmin It is hypothetical - but I am very surprised, that the base 911 Carrera did so well - against the M4 but especially against the Speciale. If there is so little time between the cars, my rational was, that a Turbo S or a GT3 should almost rip the time of the Ferrari.
No proof, no test... just a feeling...
kuetmin A Ferrari 458 Italia Speciale w/ 597 hp 398 trq beats a base Porsche 911 w/ 350 hp 287 trq by roughly 3 seconds on this track and you think a Porsche 911 Turbo S w/ 560 hp 553 trq "would get beaten handily by a speciale". I hope they run the Turbo S soon on this track.
It's amazing how much faster the 458 Speciale is!!
a gt3 can rape a speciale
not really. it's only 3 seconds. the entry level 911 is only 3 seconds down on the tuned version of the already expansive 458. a turbo S or GT3 is easily as fast and still 100.000€ (turbo S) up to 150.000€ (gt3) less expansive.
swunt10 - since when is the Turbo S more expensive than the GT3? :S
In Germany the current prices are 137.000€ (GT3) and 197.000€ (Turbo S)
James Forsnacke since ever??? I don't know. do you want a specific year or?
James Forsnacke You do realize that you put the GT3 as the cheaper car right? Proved yourself wrong.
two of my favorite cars. The vehicles are quite different in terms of target audience but i enjoyed the video nonetheless.. thank you.
SONG??!!!
EVO, please start telling us what songs you use! Some of the best cinematic music
Usually in these reviews some cars tend to understeer, not this M4, it chooses to have fun and oversteer :)
Good review :D
I had the M4 in same configuration for about 3 years. Tracked it whenever I could, it was a fantastic car. Several months ago after watching this video I decided to replace the M4 with base (991) 911. I haven't tracked the car yet but looking forward to the season. Both cars seem to be in the same "GT" category, however, in real life they are two different animals. Nevertheless, both cars are amazing.
Which would you prefer for everyday spirited driving?
@@Salpeteroxid lots of changed since I wrote that comment. I sold the 991.1 and got a 981 GT4 ... now I drive a 991.2 GT3. I completely moved away from BMWs. The 991.2 GT3 is useless on the street, it's my primary track weapon and it thrives there. The 991.1 and GT4, both in manual were more enjoyable cars overall on the street compared to the M4 and GT3. I would highly recommend 911 over any BMW. I hope this helps.
@@trackratzinger It wasn't what I hoped to hear since I can afford an M4 but not a 911. But I appreciate the comment.
@@Salpeteroxid you bet. My dad happens to have the F82 M4 and he loves it, I get to occasionally drive it on a street. It is a great car.
@@trackratzinger Swedish car prices are through the roof. But I'm possibly getting an M4 soon. But my 435i gran coupé is a good car as it is. But I would prefer a Porsche with a turbo :)
Can you guys get the GT-R and Cayman GTS down there at some point? Those would be really interesting times I think. Still loving the track.
Great Video, you can't deny that the Porsche is a fantastic car, but I'm not living my life on a track, and 17000 pounds is a huge difference for about a second on the track. Also, daily driving and just being livable it's the BMW all the way. Most everyday average Joe's like myself aren't going to put a 70+ thousand dollar on a track because we can't afford to fix it when we break it....
Is EvoTv going to start charging cash for watching the videos or will this channel still be free to watch ( just wondering ) thanks
What options were on the Carrera? PTV? PDCC? Sports Chrono?
Great video, really enjoyed it. It just goes to show that even the entry level 911 is an outstanding car. I really like the M4 and have had a few M3s but in my opinion it's no match (as a drivers car) for a 911. The 991 has plenty of feel but I think that the options are more important than ever for a 991 to really work as both a track and road car. I also note that the 991 in the video must have had about £40k worth of options on it, (making it more than £100k against the BMWs £65k), when you think about it like that it shows what a bargain the new M4 really is....
The prices quoted in the video are standard no options prices. Both cars have lots of options, (including carbon brakes).
having different drivers obviously adds a huge variable to those lap times. the 458 speciale wasn't driven by someone as professional as marino franchitti
great review!!if he quits racing i think there's another career waiting for him in motoring journalism
I'd love to see how the Cayman GTS performs in comparison!
Awesome Idea, to get a track that you can post lap times on for all your cars like top gear and some others! :)
Nice to see a proper track battle and no senseless drifting followed by a lap with overheated tires.
And the price comparison? I would go for the Porsche if they are at the same price but no the M4 is 2/3 of its price if not less (Australia)
Would love to see an M3/4 vs i8 review.
The thing is: The M4 is all about the experience, the fun driving it and the greater oversteer is a part of it. The Porsche on the other hand is like a laptime machine, with the main focus on precise handling. I like both cars, but for different reasons. And like troybballin14 said: If I'm gonna buy a Porsche it won't be the entry level model ;)
Love it EVO
man a sick chase seen could be made between the 911 and m4, precision vs power
Worth noting that you can turn down throttle sensitivity if its too responsive, it has 3 modes...
Good Review
I thought the 4 series bmw was a 2 door coupe version of the 4 door 3 series? The other day i seen a bmw 430d or was it a 435d i cant remember but it had 4 doors?
911 > M4. Its a 911. Its the staple of the automotive industry that everyone compares themselves too. Theres a reason for that.
Loved it :)
Bald head is more aerodynamic. Better acceleration.
LOL
😂😂😂😂😂😂
less hair less weight
That's also why helmets are hairless :)
Were these tested with the same tires?
I find it much easier to modulate the rear end by setting the throttle response to just sport. Putting the throttle response in sport+ makes the car way too loose when exiting the corner. I think this might have made a difference to the result.
why does he brake 4 or 5 times before really braking at a corner ? just want to know ? is it to improve the brakes ?
I wonder what setting he had the throttle set to in the M4. In a vid by Carlos Lago it was mentioned that even BMW pro drivers set the throttle response to comfort rather than sport or sport+ for the very same criticisms heard here, i.e. sensitivity.
Really impressive for both cars, the M4 is 100kg heavier and is a full 4 seater so pretty good time.