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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- Top 10 Worst DBZ Techniques - A Dragon Ball Discussion by MasakoX - There are lots of cool attacks in Dragon Ball...but there are a fair share of not so good ones. Why is that? What makes them so useless? Today I go through my 10 least favourite techniques within the show and then offer a better solution or alternative to them. Some are what you expect...but some aren't! Let's discuss!
From things like Golden Frieza to Goku's Super Kaioken, I shall present what I think are the least needed powers within the show and then offer something better that could make their life in DBZ much better!
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Please do explain why the ToP is bad in the manga. I still don't really understand why people think that.
@@TrueWhovian82 I could make a video about it but for now, the main reason is that it was rushed. A LOT.
Masako, when will you upload the next db r&r episode?
@@MasakoX Let's go gather the Z War-- Wait..What? It's over? They already did it. Well let's watch i--Wait. Where's Goku vs Kefla? She didn't fight him? SHE'S ALREADY OUT? Wait...Where's GOHAN? GOHAN FOUGHT KEFLA? THEY TIED!? WH- HUH? EARLY? Man...Where's Goku vs Jiren? IS THAT ROSHI? Oh, *NOWWWW* HE'S OUT...Well let's see Goku and J- HE'S ALREADY IN ULTRA INSTINCT? NOW HE'S IN MASTERED? Oh, Tournaments over.
Sorry Masako. Without Ultra SS Vegeta would not have damaged Cell with his Final Flash. Ultra SS is better suited how he used it to become a turret versus brawling (the way Trunks used it). If I am wrong let me know but I am pretty sure that's how it went.
Fun fact: Multi-form technique is how Sun Wukong wins like 50% of his fights in Journey to the West, despite how bad it is in the anime (Goku= Sun Wukong)
Its also how he used have a high win rate in League of Legends.
But the original Wukong was OP as hell, having several forms of immortality and lifting a stick that served as a divine pillar that could stretch from the Earth to the moon.
@@SilverNightbane so hes goku then
@@seelcudoom1 Well yes... and no.
@@seelcudoom1 Goku is actually based on him. He isn't like Goku. Goku is more like him with that logic.
I think one of the best ways you can utilise multi-form is to show power. Have your heroes/villains struggle to take a guy down, only to find out he was a clone with whatever fraction of the full power you want to use
Metal cooler
I would like to have seen goku or another fighter use it to respond to multiple weaker opponents at the same time across distances. Like Capsule Corp, Kame House and Goku's house under attavk at exactly the same time, so Goku splits himself in 3 and sends one clone with Gohan one with Krillen and one with Yamcha to respond to the 3 simultaneous attacks.
That's what cell does during dragon ball legends
Literally Naruto.
@@fissilewhistle yeap and it was a very intelligent use of his clone technique. IMO late series Naruto is a much more intelligent fighter than any of the DBZ cast.
The worst technique in Dragon Ball: Toriyama's Memory
I mean you could say that about alot of Mangaka...
*_Araki_*
@@shinysamurott613 Most of the things he "forgot" can be debunked easily
@@stale_cheeto I mean "Araki forgot" is used as a joke most of the time, at least from what I've seen.
Shiny Samurott well that’s not a technique, that’s Araki’s stand
@@shinysamurott613 Araki reambers things a lot actually. People don't give his memory and writing slills enough credit.
Nam literally used the Thunder Cross Split Attack.
You fell for it, you fool!
A single hand solar flare REALLY looks like that one JoJo Pose from Jonathan/Caesar
6:21 YOU FELL FOR IT FOOL, *THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK*
He was far too weak for such a perfect technique. *That was why he lost*
Dio was so afraid of that technique that he froze Dire before he could perform the full move
Didn’t Dragon Ball technically do it before JoJo and it eventually became a JoJo pose?
@@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty Araki wants to know your location
Araki?! Where?!
The ki barrages can be situationally useful for things like masking a Hellzone Grenade. Also, in minor defense of Golden, Frieza had only ever really seen OG Super Saiyan himself. If that was still the the pinnacle of Goku's of power, the imperfected golden form would have pretty easily decimated everyone. Still bad, but it at least SOMEWHAT makes sense. ALSO, ALSO: 8 opponents at 1/8th power are superior one at full power in basically everything BUT Dragonball (As long as the accuracy is constant).
Ki barrage was actually somewhat effective when Goku used it against Perfect Cell, pushing him hard enough to resort to a (apparently) costly barrier. Of course, performing the barrage ALSO drained Goku, but hey, at least it was a good step to wear Cell down and let Gohan finish things of against a tired opponent, right?
... wait.
😐 i'm annoyed that Android 18 has no attacks that's exclusively hers.
I think the Accel Dance is the closest thing you could count to be HER technique?
Her exclusive attack is her Vegeta's Arm Breaker Kick =p
MasakoX what about Power Blitz
She doesn't need to make her own she's just uses other people's but better cos she's bad ass
At least she has a completely unique moveset. Nobody else can use Power Blitz AND Kienzan.
Godlen Freeza was definitely stronger than SSJB in Resurrection F at first. The problem is that Freeza just didn't have the endurance to remain in the form at full power for as long, but in terms of raw power, Freeza was dominating SSB Goku for an entire scene.
It might have been stronger AT ONE POINT, but it wasn't a very long point...over the course of the tussle, it couldn't stand up to Goku and then later Vegeta.
@@MasakoX I think this goes to show the arrogance of Freeza though more than anything. He didn't care if he could maintain it for long because he didn't think he'd have to. Which, in a sense is a rehash from his earlier days in Z, but with a bit more depth. It's as if he thought actually putting effort in training to obtain the new form was him casting aside his arrogance. True Golden Freeza is the result of him learning that lesson (finally). IMO, this doesn't make the ability useless or bad even at that point, just not perfected-similar to special beam cannon in the Raditz fight, the big difference being that Piccolo understood it wasn't ready and Freeza did not. That said, if you look at it from the rehash perspective you gave it, I agree. Pretty pointless if it's the same as before just bigger numbers.
@@MasakoX ah but consider this golden form before and after meditation was the same technique
He was definitely stronger on Golden Freeza's first encounter. But like a prior comment said he figured out how to maximise the potential of the form in Hell
Well... Also, keep in mind the Goku allows people to pummel him regularly, even if he could defeat them if he just powered up.
if you want to talk about useless attacks in Dragonball, I honestly feel like almost every self destruct could be put on the list, with the top of that category being Chaotzu's against Nappa.
Vegeta's final explosion.....?
@@shadabamin80 What's interesting is that when Vegeta uses it in the ToP he survived. So does that mean it's like the Mafuba and as you get stronger you can withstand it?
@@MasakoX I say it's more like charging up all the power you have in your body and choosing how much of it to expel at once. Majin Vegeta didn't have as much power as he could have, and Buu was a very strong opponent, so he just decided "I'll take you with me" whereas in the ToP, SSB was much more powerful, so he could afford to expend all but the bare minimum to survive.
@@ethanbell6762But how the fck did Android 17 survive?
It's been a while since I watched that episode, but i'm just curious
Francesco Lombardi He basically explained it in his comment.
Android 17 used up a ton of energy to create the explosion, but kept just enough to tank said explosion and survive.
I'd have to go with the Spirit Bomb. That thing takes decades to charge and requires people or creatures to loan you their energy, plus others to defend you while you charge it. It only ever works in the series because the main characters need it to work.
This is how they could've used in a smart way the duplication technique
And yet it was the only thing that totally oblitherated Kid Buu
Continuously Ki Blasts could be useful when used against an Army that's spread out to Carpet bomb a place. (If you dont want to blow up the Planet in the Process.)
But they always use it against strong ones "Oh, Prince, has this ever worked"
It would be useful in such a quantity over quality situation, but it has never been done sadly.
Yeah, technically Super Buu did so doing this and that was successful.
@@ShadowWolfRising idk, that felt like a different move
Yeah, human extinction attack does that
Although Multi-Form isn't usually great for combat, it IS excellent for training. Being able to fight someone who is literally a duplicate of you in power, technique, and strategy really reveals your weaknesses as a fighter. Probably why Piccolo is so practiced as a strategist.
Down Burst was actually the best move Gohan could've made in the beginning of that fight. If you recall, 17 and 18 were coming at him at 2 different angles.
Down Burst was never supposed to be a Solar Flare type move because Solar Flare would've taken too long and Gohan probably didn't know how to use it. Yes, Solar Flare is seen being used in actual fights, but the user is either a good distance away or were running away from the target. Krillin and Cell come to mind. Gohan didn't have this option because 17 and 18 are shown to be quite a bit faster than him.
4:00 Shout-out to Piccolo for being the ONLY PERSON in Dragon Ball to make something useful out of this concept with the Hellzone Grenade.
One handed solar flare is a Jojo pose... just sayin’
Some of the Ginyu forces poses are from Jojo too
@@warwick802 other way round cause jojo came after z
1:32 The Para Para Dance is *really* useful in Xenoverse 2, so yeah. Catch 'em dancing, pop 'em with a big gun.
tomero:100X big bang kamehameha!!!!!!! *one shots freiza*
There is no "according to the original lore and it does not stack." Akira Toriyama never established in his manga why he abandoned it.
"...Rage doesn't stack."
Masako have you heard of the game Asura's Wrath before?
Because I'm certain after seeing it you will find your opinion on that topic changing.
Broly using Ultra Super Saiyan would be a sight to see.
He'll have the maximumest power
Broly might cause universes 6-8 to explode as well as taking a large chunk of 5 and 9. So.... {insert bad ending sound effect here}
@@TheTwelfthCollector I never meant in attack power, I mean on the same level as Raditz going SSJ3 being excessive.
Broly is already bulky like he is in ultra super saiyan, so if he ever entered that form it would be comical, first thing i did before posting this was google for pictures, plenty of joke drawings of Raditz in SSJ3, but nothing of Broly in ultra sadly.
@@forsetigodofjusticeexcelle7506 May I ask, since this is MasakoX, have you seen DBZ Abridged? Specifically, the Broly movie.
I'm glad Destructo Disk isn't on the list. Good move, bad aim.
Ape Vegeta just kinda hopping up to avoid it as it came from behind him still kills me everytime
Maybe it would work and hit the target if Krillin didn't scream the name of the attack before throwing it, warning the enemy its comming for them. But.... anime logic.
Form- has a weakness
Masako "Unacceptable!"
A bit of an aside, but for USSJ at least, having a weakness is understating it.
The whole point of it is that you use up more energy so you can hit your opponent harder, but at the cost of not being able to hit your opponent. So its cons _nullify_ its pros.
I wish Toriyama did something to make it usable at least sometimes. I remember reading a comic back then where Trunks fought in his SSJ grade 2 form, then switched to grade 3 right as he attacked, dealing as much damage as grade 3 while keeping the speed of grade 2.
Multiple ki blasts?
Human Extinction Attack, how do you like it?
...that is the closest thing the ki blasts were ever useful
Someone hasn’t seen the Super Broly movie
@@NadrojH I have seen it, i just remember absolutely nothing
About Future Gohan's downburst, I don't think anyone taught him solar flare.
I like Raditz, but his "Double Sunday" attack is pretty lame maybe I would like it more if it didn't had a stupid name.
Double sundae 🍨🍨
- raditz
Naming attacks after days of the week sounds cool af to me, don't know what you're talking about
Double Sunday just makes me want ice cream.
"You may have survived my Double Sunday, but how will you fair against my Agonizing Monday!"
"Noo! Not Monday! Anything, but that!"
Too bad it's Double Sunday the building wouldn't survive the Tomorrow...
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6:22 You fell for it, you fool!
THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK!
Eh, Golden Frieza could destroy anyone who isn't early SSjB tier in seconds, makes the stamina not a huge issue.
Consider that Frieza at that point could take on every character in entire series prior to Beerus
That is an interesting point that I’d love to hear you cover, maybe not in a full video of the topic, but how come Broly isn’t affected by his “Ultra Super Saiyan” appearance?
The continuous ki attack is not an attack, but a way to convey someone is too stressed and desperate to properly fight.
Maybe more of a flee instead of fight thing, as i imagine that normally someone would use it to distract the enemy, raise a lot of smoke and get the hell outta there.
But the biggest user of this technique use it more as a tantrum than anything else so.
Dr_Kachu san yeah, DBZ characters know they’re screwed when they’re forced to do continuous ki attacks
6:22 YOU FELL FOR IT FOOL! *THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK!!*
I think the multi-form power can be incredibly useful as a training tool, and not just to provide a sparring partner. My head-canon character got hold of the gravity training ship that Goku used to travel to Namek. After training at the maximum 100g for a while her body had become accustomed to the extra weight. So... multiform. Her power was halved which meant that the gravity training became relevant again, and when she re-combined it was like two separate workouts. She kept progressing until she was using 8 multiforms at a time.
Whether that would actually work? Who knows.
2:38 I think the excuse given for Super Kaioken is that since he's a Full Power Super Saiyan he has perfect Ki Control and so can use Kaioken on top of that. Either that or it's because he doesn't have a "real" body.
Ultra Super Saiyan could be useful if the user just got ahold of their opponent *before* powering up.
FULL NELSON!
Grappling! Wrestling! That’s genius
Ultra Super Saiyan can be also useful to fire off a massive attack before turning back.
The best technique is Yamcha pretending he's not the strongest in all universes.
Ooh masako! Do a top 10 of the best hidden techniques. Not like final flash, or kamehameha, but more like... spirit ball, etc. Stuff people won't know about and that modern people of the show won't know and even possibly how they could be adapted for the show.
3:34 "use the makankosappo!"
"You never taught me that"
"Uuuusee iitt"
Ultra super sayian could potentially work, not as an transformation mind you but if your powering up an attack and don’t have access to super Sayian 2 you can transform while charging the attack and when your done with the attack you turn back, essentially treat it as an temporary power up.
You missed the opportunity for a a "Ma-Sa-Ko HAAAAA!" I think.
Honestly despite how cool it may look SSBKK is really dumb when you actually stop and think about the amplification it actually has.
Yeah it is one of those attacks which hurts one's noodle!
SSJKK, SSJ4KK and SSGSSKK are all bad ideas. Yeah you could potentially get to a x20 multiplier on top of said forms but you’re going to mess up your body in the process. Which is why I like your friend’s Sophie‘s solution of using it with full power form. Something I have adopted since it’s that good.
Anyway you’re much better off using SSJ2, full power SSJ4 or SSGSSE instead. Less strain and less chance of you screwing up and your body exploding like something from Fist of the North Star.
MasakoX Coolers Final Form is still better than Golden Frieza. Both in Design and Concept.
If anything, I'm more shocked Bacterian used to be a chef. Dude sacrificed what could be considered a cozy lifestyle in order to become a martial artist - even though his only discipline was in not taking a shower (although, you do wonder if he did wash his hands when making meals at least, considering his reputation).
If you're going through to have golden freeza you should have super saiyan as well because goku didn't have full control of that either
Piccolo's ability to grow big. If you are not raising your power level along with it, you are merely painting a bigger target sign on yourself.
I wouldn't be surprised if this attack is retconned to amplify power at the cost of stamina and exertion to make it relevant again.
@@MasakoX it always increased power but just like Ultra Ssj decreases speed.
@Masakox, that is a strong possibility Masako.
Wait, since when could Piccolo do that? I thought that was Slug's thing.
I don't know if this could be considered "useless" or not, but in Daizenshu 7/Chozenshu 4's Special Attack Dictionary, one of the listed techniques is, and I'm not making this up... Persuasion. As in, just talking to people. Yeah. That's those book's bar for a special move.
Like talking in general?
@@bipstymcbipste5641 Well specifically talking to people to get them to do something, in this case, give their energy for a Spirit Bomb. Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks use it and to make it better, it doesn't even work.
@@jonathankent1517 so it's like how high is your speech skill? I always keep it pretty high or use the ladykiller perk
@@bipstymcbipste5641 Pretty much. The Z-Warriors put all their skill points in fighting and not enough in social interaction.
@@jonathankent1517 kinda like Captain Dr. Mrs. Fairy General Paladin Ravager the third
Multi-form is bascially an even worse Kage Bunshin from Naruto.
A waay worse version. The Shadow Clone Technique is a top tier ability in Naruto, while the Multi-form Technique is a useless technique in Dragon Ball.
Maybe if it didn’t split your power output amongst the clones, and only your total energy(think, each clone is just as strong as the original, but tires out/runs out of energy several times as fast, depending on the number of clones), then it would be situationally good.
Here's the thing; Ultra Super Saiyan wouldn't be useless in a team setting, because if you have someone else to compensate your speed, keep the enemy off guard, and ensure your attacks hit, you do SIGNIFICANT damage. A lot of these techniques would actually have application, the problem is the series focuses primarily on 1v1 matches that make them seem more useless. As a supporting ability, USS is fine.
Also speed is woefully overrated. The addage 'if you can't hit me what use is power' is worthless when you realize that speed falls to a tanky build because it only takes 1 well placed hit to win, and power doesn't mean you're incompetent at using it - there are other ways to reduce someone's speed. Just look at the tournament of power and Dyspo; he was locked in a cage of energy and his movement severely limited, that speed stat sure was worthless right there.
Additionally, the split form technique does have uses, but it was wasted on the 'oh if you split power you're just weaker' trope - that power is just distributed in a 'wider area', so to speak. You can have attacks from multiple sides if your opponent is good at blocking, and while the speed and strength is reduced, strength in numbers is still important. So you have one grabbing the attention of the enemy from the front while the other two work in tandem to exploit openings from behind. The only reason this failed against Nappa, for example, was because he outclassed Krillin and Piccolo by so much already and was a tankier fighter - they were getting attacks on him, but those attacks didn't do much, so it was a bad matchup for the technique to shine. Goku bested Cell's because Cell was being extremely dumb with their use - again, all attacking at once instead of having one or two doing different things off to the side and exploiting openings. It's the series resting upon age old tropes that are often times misplaced as their own isolated Aesops about the pursuit of power.
On the subject of Super Kaioken, barring the obvious fact that it was an impossible technique, I can see why the temporary power boost would be needed; Goku did NOT know SS2 at that point in time, he wasn't shown using it until he and Vegeta fought in the Buu saga, so the point about 'just use SS2' is kind of moot when you literally cannot. Everything else in that bit is pretty spot on though.
MasakoX’s Best and Worse Dragonball Techniques:
Best: Kaioken
Worse: Golden Freezer (Resurrection F)
Edit: Yes the “Worst” one IS a transformation. ☝️😑
Hmm, I think there's a problem here.
Best of the worst, maybe but certainly not the best technique.
"Maybe I'll make a video on why that arc in the manga was bad..."
YES! Please, you'd have so much material to go through.
Not to be contrarian- the ToP is "TOO long" but the manga is "rushed"? It's a little goldilocks
I am very late to this party but I personally hate the fact that people shoot the same kind of lasers as anyone else but since they put their hands in a more stylish position it counts as a new technique.
"I love the big bang attack!"
"What does it do?"
"It makes things explode!"
Uh. Just like...anything else?
Satan Miracle Special Ultra Super Megaton Punch, both Satan/Hercule and 18 knew that it wouldn't defeat her but it was fun to see how they reacted when they saw that it didn't do anything to her.
About Ultra Super Saiyan... Does it make ki attacks stronger or just physical attacks? Most ki attacks seen in both the manga and the anime are done with the character who performs them not moving from the spot. Someone who practiced to transform quickly to that state could perform devastating ki blasts or grab the enemy while in a faster form, transform and crush the grappled enemy. In my opinion the problem with Ultra Super Saiyan wouldn't be the transformation itself but characters being unable to take advantage of it.
Pre-Gogeta Fusion. They wasted so much time teaching Goten and Trunks the Metamoran fusion dance that it ultimately proved pointless against Buu.
Goku could use Ultra Super Saiyan to make some money winning bodybuilding contests 😂
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The ki blast barrage was actually very effective against Cell as a suprise attack from Goku. Catch your opponent off guard and slowly whittle their health away when they are drained. It would have worked if Cell didnt have a barrier as it was blowing him apart
I'd argue that Ultra Super Saiyan does have one useful thing: Instead of using it as Melee powerhouse, you use it as Artillery. Since power stressing increases all offense and defense in exchange for speed, using it to increase the power of your beam attacks is the best idea.
Or do a smart thing and do like Goku used to do in DB adn early Z, keep your power level low and only increase it when you attack, so in this case, stay as grade 2 and only quick change to grade 4 as the attack connects.
That's true. If you weren't the only one on the field, then you can be the tank and use your allies to pick up the pieces. However, 1v1 stuff...not so good.
Hah. I also thought that Grade 4 would make a good tank and explain it in WoW Dungeon terms, but since most fights in DBZ are 1v1, I went back to my original idea that grade 4 is better as Artillery beams
I'm gonna have to say you're wrong on one thing about Golden Frieza; it WAS more powerful than SSB, Frieza just toyed with Goku too long and burnt through his stamina because he hadn't perfected it yet.
"Can it be a thing?"
Boi you own the channel
Actually, Golden Frieza was stronger than Goku Blue until the power drain kicked in.
I feel multiform is only good if you want to train. Especially if you're a Saiyan. You fight yourself till each version is fatigued. Then merge back together and gain a massive zenkai boost.
Makes sense why roshi took that bulky form for his Kamehameha, more power, and fought in his normal form for speed
Would have been epic to see goku do the same with ultra saiyan, similar to his old master
Continuous Ki Blasts are good if you're an Android, as they could do that as long as they want without energy drain. 17 used that to stall out Toppo in the ToP iirc, even though it didn't work out as planned.
Was really hoping to see Bacterian on this list and wasn't disappointed. Loved that encounter.
Gohan has done a Kamehameha with one hand. He's also done a double handed one without any charge up stance. If that can be done then a flash like Solar Flare should be possible one handed.
I see it as those poses and stances being needed to channel and manipulate Ki in DB when we were talking small scale but over time they got good enough at Ki control and could generate enough to not need the exaggerated movements to channel the ki as desired anymore.
For Ultra Super Saiyan: I'd also argue it, in itself, is not a transformation and is simply just power weighting (or at least a variant) being applied with super saiyan, so yes you would be using a stronger grade of power weighting, but you'd also be using a weaker super saiyan. Not to mention, Roshi has been able to use it since the original Dragon Ball (with his Max Power), so it's not like it'd be difficult to do or even master with enough effort. Like Cell said in DBZA; Anyone can do it.
I'd put special beam cannon... It takes an eternity to charge, it isn't that big to cover your opponent, and if you miss, that's it..
It isn't the worst, but it isn't the best move to use
The multi form technique is extremely useful if the person using it is extremely smart. There is not a single thing saying a character can't make a clone of themselves and use this clone to fuse with themselves thus making up for losing 50% power.
Super Buus cannon ball form and flying charge attack... It makes no sense!!! He can stretch his whole body, so why not just make his his fist big! Even Luffy worked that out!
In my opinion Super Saiyan Third Grade has a lot of wasted potential. Yes, it makes you slower, but ever since I saw how it worked I wondered why they never used it as a one time attack thing, you know, just like how Kaio-Ken was used at the start, but instead of a short outburst of attacks, it's more like a single hit supercharged cannon or a giant defensive wall. Use it in the middle of a beam struggle or right before you throw an attack to an unsuspecting enemy. Sounds like a very good support transformation to be honest, and you can stand more damage too, which would be perfect in situations where you can't avoid an attack or you have to protect someone else. What I mean is, it had a lot of teamwork potential.
"I wondered why they never used it as a one time attack thing, you know, just like how Kaio-Ken was used" Because Super Saiyan 3 is just way cooler for that purpose. And _only_ for that purpose.
I see multiform, but let me tell you, it's helpful in a roleplay server when you're much stronger than most people
Golden Frieza (Before meditation)
So he basically shares similar weakness as 100% Max Power Frieza.
Really glad you mentioned the super thing for vegeta and yardrat
#8 ... Gogeta made it work in the movie. First time that's ever happened.
Gogeta could do no wrong in that movie.
@@MasakoX As it should be !
Multi Form could be useful in certain circumstances and when combined with specific types of other techniques. Something like the Makankosappo or Kienzan, which are focused so tightly they can damage vastly superior opponents, would be able to be delivered from multiple angles at once. Think of how many Tsuibi Kienzan could you charge at once if there were 3 or 4 of you. We've seen Freeza use two at once fairly quickly. That's a _lot_ of homing murder blades to avoid!
I'd imagine if Grade 3 SSJ is the highest form of power a Saiyan could muster at the time, it could be used briefly when charging powerful blasts. Kind of like what Master Roshi does when he uses his Max Power Kamehameha, but then power down to Grade 2 SSJ afterwards.
The multi form attack could be useful if the clones could use Kaioken. It would let you cut your power in half, but then remove that handicap with the double stack of kaioken.
Mathematically unfortunately it really doesn't. This is due to the additional strain placed on a subject with reduced stamina combined with inherent damage resistance which... you know what? Just maybe trust that I've run the numbers and aside from maybe pulling off a sneak attack or fighting someone unused to multiple opponents it still adds up to pretty useless.
@@tinkerer3399 well it would be pretty useless for most characters. I wouldn't see Krillin getting much use out of it. However, someone like Goku could. Even with reduced stamina, durability, and strength, using kaioken to the limit of the clones is still a massively impressive combo. Especially once you get into combining it with SSB. It would be more useful as a singular attack strategy as opposed to a lengthy fight gimmick like Naruto does. If Goku could split in two and use SSB Kaioken for a single attack, it could put the move back into useful territory, allowing him to use 2 extremely powerful Kamehamehas. That along with instant transmission would make a very useful attack
@@fangsabre Actually you have that backwards, Krillin would get *more* use out of it since he doesnt use a strain based power up.
Let us assume that the power of SSB Kamehameha is equal to 20 (because I dont feel like writing a bunch of zeros every time) and that Goku is capable of doing a 20x Kaioken. Using the multi form technique splits the users power 4 ways meaning each Kamehameha has a base power of 5 AND that Goku would only be capable of producing a Kaioken x5 (remember all the physical attributes are divided by 4 meaning the clones can't handle nearly as much strain). Thus each beam would have a power of 25 adding up to a total beam strength of 100 where as just using a x20 Kaioken SSB Kamehameha would give you a beam strength of 400.
There are a very few scenarios where I could see it being advantageous, most notably if an enemy had a powerful directional shield. But then again Instant Transmission already covers that. Or maybe if you had to hit 4 areas really hard at exactly the same moment. But on the whole pretty useless.
@@tinkerer3399 well the big downside is that if you split into more than 2 it's too drastic of a split to make up for. However, if he split himself in only 2, each clone could go SSB kaioken x10, each one dishing out a kamehameha with a power of 200. And while that is significantly weaker than him at his most powerful, it would still be a powerful enough attack to risk the setup at least temporarily against someone with equal power level. It's really more of a tactical attack to deal some solid damage and set up something else than a finishing move.
Continuous Ki blasts never working? #17 vs Toppo? Goku vs Cell?
But admittedly it usually helps the enemy by creating huge dust bomb around them so they get to perform a surprise attack.
Multiform would be pretty dangerous if combined with any multiplier. Like kaioken one clone back to relevance while another charges the spirit bomb or special beam cannon or whatever.
I mean
I have to assume Caroni actually IS strong
Its just that... Caroni was fighting Cell
Like, Mister Satan is legitimately strong. He's just not super-human.
Mister Satan is super human, at least by real world standards. Just not to the extent that everyone else is.
continous ki : that a dragonball staple
ultra saiyan : hello my name is broly
Dragon Fist needs to be a canon move In dragon ball, it's a cool finisher move!
In Pathfinder there is an interesting version of Multi-form that is exclusive to the Goblin race. It is happily named Vomit Twin and it rocks. A perfect copy, same strength, same HP, makes you attack twice per turn. The fair downside, tho, is that if your vomit twin is injured you also take damage so it’s pretty risky when entering melee zone!
If Multiform could be just like that, it would be great!
You forgot about how Multi-Form Technique has been used for training purposes. Piccolo was in the RoSaT by himself and I recall him fighting copies of himself to have a sparring partner. So it can be for self-improvement. And I don’t think the “it wouldn’t make him stronger because his power was already halved” argument works because Piccolo knows how the technique works. He ain’t dumb.
Can we like talk about Piccolo's healing factor? Definitely bottom tier ability purely because it has NEVER been consistent
#3 Ultra Super Saiyan (Super Vegeta/Trunks)
To be fair, without the Super Vegeta, the writers wouldn't have the idea to give Vegeta Blue Evolution.
Interesting your doing this considering what the rest of the Team's doing for DBcember...
6:21 - In JoJo's, we call it the Thunder Cross Split Attack!! Used by my main man Dire!!
Continuous ki blast? huh how dare you say such atrocities about the legendary "Vegeta's technique"
10:08 RIP Strength builds (Dark Souls)
Woah did TFS just forget about DBcember and then see this get uploaded?
Somebody wanted to be invited to Dbcember...
#1 - Metamorphosis Technique...Used by the Caterpillar guy who turned into a cocoon and would emerge in a new form...In multiple years time.
Years later.....
Caterpillar Guy: Ha, yes got him! I finally transformed into my ultimate transformat- Hey, where did they all go?
You're forgetting Piccolo's gigantification
That's more of a Namekian thing than a thing that just Piccolo has.
And everyone forgets his stretchy arms thing.
This is literally name every piccolo mistake in his life
@@KertaDrake Nail: Huh, I didn't even know we could do that
I love how goku never tried mastering super saiyan 2 or super saiyan 3 if he did he could have tried combining THOSE forms with super saiyan god i mean that's how goku and vegeta got super saiyan god super saiyan through combining super saiyan with super saiyan god so why don't they try the othee super saiyan forms
If Mastered Super Saiyan eliminates the Original Super Saiyan’s issues then can’t Super Kaioken be a thing in that situation?
This reminded me, and interesting observation: the Super Saiyan line seems to be inherently flawed. Super Saiyan grade 3 and then Super Saiyan 3 both are disadvantageous to the users, and can't really be used in any meaningful way. I personally would have liked to have seen a character continue exploring the Super Saiyan line without resorting to divine powers to see if there is a form beyond 3 that removes it's disadvantages, like how you had Vegeta unblock Super Saiyan 4 in your Radditz Redemption story line (also worth questioning, does Gohan's ultimate state count as divine?)
Top worst is a fun combination of words.
But Masako...Golden Freeze isn't a real technique, that's just Frieza using his transforming biology to troll the Saiyan's when he goes to 100% power again; having learned the wrong lesson that 'next time Ineed to finish the monkeys off ASAP when I reach 100%'
I'd've gone with "Masako-X-plosive".