i never looked at my axle wrap ive been wanting to do a traction bar for driveshaft protection, now im 100% gonna figure a way to make that happen, had no idea its that bad and im on the 63" leaves so id imagine worse being so long. thank you great vid.
Thats is an excellent video! Just what I was looking to see from a stock/unlifted Tacoma. After watching, I don't see a heck of a lot of difference between yours and mine. I am still going to add the drop kit to level out the assembly a bit, but I'm not sure it's really necessary. Thanks for posting the vid..awesome job!
@@RobMotive -- Yeah, sorry I simply meant there could be some fun collaborations with here's what I've done with my truck, how does yours act. Or, can you better me. Don't know, but it got me thinking
When I originally SAS'd I used 4" lift blocks with my worn out stock rear leafs. The axle wrap was sooooo bad, and with the supercharger I could feel it BAD. And people kept saying my truck looked like I broke it every time I took off with power because the axle was pushed so far. Eventually switched to OME springs and a 2" block, and could not notice any axle wrap at all. Now I've changed it up some more, lowered my SAS by moving the hanger into the frame, and got low enough to eliminate the rear block entirely!
This is why I personally prefer coil spring and control arm instead of leaf springs. The axle is more firmly attached to the frame still have some articulation
@@SnailTrail4x4 No it certainly does not. Leaf under adds significantly more strength to the rigidness vs over axle. Google axle wrap leaf over, then google axle wrap leaf under and see what you get.
"Without a doubt the strongest argument for keeping the springs under the axle is the limited axlewrap that's received compared to a spring-over. It's all about torque forces. While you may not have the ground clearance that a spring-over has, your axle will be held more firmly in place and able to deal with the loading forces more easily." www.motortrend.com/how-to/131-0901-4x4-jeep-leaf-spring-over-or-under/
do stock trucks get wrap? yes. do blocks make it worse? yes. do traction bars help? if done correctly... yes. should you use blocks for lift? only if it is a show truck. they are a retched throwback to the early 80s (if not earlier)
Check your slip joint on the rear portion of your drive shaft. The factory lube/lack thereof can gunk up and get sticky and cause a "thunk" when starting and stopping.
The ones I see cause only more problems. Bud built can rip the metal of the rear housing. The other one can only take a lift up to 2in. Unless you have an alternative I haven't seen.
@obart613 -- I would think it would lessen it because you are adding more material to resist movement and stiffen up the leaf pack. As long as you're not adding a spacer I don't see why it would add axle wrap. If you remove leaves from the pack then you're going to make a softer setup and you would have more axle wrap
i never looked at my axle wrap ive been wanting to do a traction bar for driveshaft protection, now im 100% gonna figure a way to make that happen, had no idea its that bad and im on the 63" leaves so id imagine worse being so long. thank you great vid.
I did not have a clue about axle wrap. Your video was a very good introduction, thanks.
Thanks!
Thats is an excellent video! Just what I was looking to see from a stock/unlifted Tacoma. After watching, I don't see a heck of a lot of difference between yours and mine. I am still going to add the drop kit to level out the assembly a bit, but I'm not sure it's really necessary. Thanks for posting the vid..awesome job!
Thanks Rob, it was fun. Glad I was able to help!
It might be interesting to do an entire story telling series like these.
SnailTrail4x4 Not sure what that is! Please enlighten me🤔
@@RobMotive -- Yeah, sorry I simply meant there could be some fun collaborations with here's what I've done with my truck, how does yours act. Or, can you better me. Don't know, but it got me thinking
SnailTrail4x4 Ahh!! Wasn’t sure what you meant!! I like that! Collaborations are a great way to grow on the Tube👍
When I originally SAS'd I used 4" lift blocks with my worn out stock rear leafs. The axle wrap was sooooo bad, and with the supercharger I could feel it BAD. And people kept saying my truck looked like I broke it every time I took off with power because the axle was pushed so far. Eventually switched to OME springs and a 2" block, and could not notice any axle wrap at all. Now I've changed it up some more, lowered my SAS by moving the hanger into the frame, and got low enough to eliminate the rear block entirely!
Dam, 4" blocks are huge. Yeah I'm going 63" springs on bobcat and that's eliminates my blocks
This is why I personally prefer coil spring and control arm instead of leaf springs. The axle is more firmly attached to the frame still have some articulation
Might be my next upgrade
What if i put longer shackles will that help or make it worse?
Yeah this is why many makes go with axle under vs axle over
Under axle gets so much more axle wrap
@@SnailTrail4x4 No it certainly does not. Leaf under adds significantly more strength to the rigidness vs over axle. Google axle wrap leaf over, then google axle wrap leaf under and see what you get.
"Without a doubt the strongest argument for keeping the springs under the axle is the limited axlewrap that's received compared to a spring-over. It's all about torque forces. While you may not have the ground clearance that a spring-over has, your axle will be held more firmly in place and able to deal with the loading forces more easily."
www.motortrend.com/how-to/131-0901-4x4-jeep-leaf-spring-over-or-under/
My 3rd gen has the shakes bad at a stop with the brakes on. I think it’s the driveline
My guess is that your brake rotors are warped
That was interesting
do stock trucks get wrap? yes. do blocks make it worse? yes. do traction bars help? if done correctly... yes. should you use blocks for lift? only if it is a show truck. they are a retched throwback to the early 80s (if not earlier)
axle wrap caused leaf springs not work properly.... sometimes softer ... sometimes harder...
Love these kinds of videos
Thanks, who's 3rd member has more movement, mine or Rob's?
Thanks for the informative video
Trac bars also help braking in OH shit type senario.
So is a 1.5 aal better than a 1.5 spacer . And will the aal help stiffen up the springs and calm some of the wrap
What's an aal?
AAL is add-a-leaf
Icon makes a progressive aal which minimizes axle wrap and increases performance. Ran on my Tacoma and now on my tundra
Those skinny leaf springs dont help much but dang that thing goes into orbit man
Those are stock
Those are stock springs
I actually thought of mounting a GoPro to see whats causing a "thump" sound underneath when I come to a stop. Did you have this issue?
No, I don't have that noise.
Check your slip joint on the rear portion of your drive shaft. The factory lube/lack thereof can gunk up and get sticky and cause a "thunk" when starting and stopping.
Doesnt look bad it's meant to do that to a degree ...
Agree, because of the leafsprings
Ok so in emergency stopping or anywhere near it my 2nd gen if twisting the driveline bad. I can't stand this problem.
Might need to add a track bar
The ones I see cause only more problems. Bud built can rip the metal of the rear housing. The other one can only take a lift up to 2in. Unless you have an alternative I haven't seen.
Yo is 1block ok?
It's adding a shitload of wrap. It's just making it hard to drive.
Wrap kills u going uphill hitting bumps.
Aal = Add A Leaf
Hahaha, thanks, the aal would help with axle wrap but make the ride a little more stiff. The 1.5 spacer would make the wrap worse
@obart613 -- I would think it would lessen it because you are adding more material to resist movement and stiffen up the leaf pack. As long as you're not adding a spacer I don't see why it would add axle wrap. If you remove leaves from the pack then you're going to make a softer setup and you would have more axle wrap