What about children like this who have suffered into adulthood? I have had a prenatal brain injury and inadequate medical treatment couple by severe abuse and am stuck in fight or flight and am autistic. Located in Colorado. Please help. Thank you.
TLDR the moro reflex is a so called "primitiv reflex" it usually disappears after the first year of life when the brain develops enough to inhibit primitiv reflexes. When there is something that blocks the ability of the brain to develop primitiv reflexes can persist. Causes can be Cerebral palsy, brain damage in any way, hypoxia, brain heammorhagie or autism (to mention some). When these people get triggered the reflex occurs. That can cause a lot of stres because it feels like a loss of control. If you or a beloved on is affected please look out for a physician specialized in this field. They can try help you to overwrite that reflex. Friendly corrections or remarks welcome :)
@@sexywarriorwomen the commenter didn't think they were providing info that was not in the video. "TLDR" means "too long, didn't read" and is a way to say: "Here comes a summary (in case it was too long and someone didn't feel like reading/watching the whole thing)"
@@bamboo_craftI would imagine so. Like with congenital tick borne illness, which looks like autism but can be effectively treated with antibiotics by a knowledgeable doctor.
We have custody of our seven year old autistic niece. She was abused & Severely neglected & shows signs of everything you have talked about. It's so nice to get information on what is going on instead of "this is just what we found in this type of child".
Most definitely go to a mental health professional I'm a surviver of extensive child abuse your neice is going to need alot of mental health help to get past what she went through.
@@atticusmulkey9378functional medicine goes WAY beyond chiropractic. Do some research into it. Many MD’s are also getting trained in functional medicine. It’s medicine based on more in depth and updated research.
I've know I still have this reflex for a few years now and I have a great therapist for this. It is great to see people talk about it and this needs to get more attention. Thanks for your work. Whe I was younger I was always just the scared crybaby. I am 18 now and I become more and more confident with new situations I never could have dealt with just 2 years ago.
This is so new to me, can you tell me more about how working on this reflex has helped you? How would you describe it in a sort of before and after fashion?
@@JFKALLDAY Right, the reflex itself is not the problem, it's just an indicator of a broader issue. People can get stunted in their development by stressful environmental factors in early life or they can regress into a chronic fight or flight state after physical injuries or emotional trauma. If the living conditions aren't stable enough, the treatment may also fail and if the living environment is positive and supportive enough to a person who struggles with this, the issue might get resolved naturally with proper attention, love and support from family and friends. Negative reinforcement will always cause more problems than it attempts to resolve. That's why old ABA therapies left autistic children more traumatized and chronically triggered rather than helping them resolve their issues. There are many autistic adults on the internet who talk about their experiences with treatments they had to endure as children. The reason is very simple: there are unlimited ways to avoid punishments, but there are only a few ways to secure a reward. If punishments exceed the rewards, people may fall into apathy and even complete catatonic shutdown in extreme cases. People who are in distress, can't be punished out of their frightened state. Their nervous systems are already overwhelmed, they need understanding and kindness to get out of that state. We have to learn how to build trust and how to communicate better in our relationships, that's the prerequisite for healing and it's freely available to anybody who wants to work on themself and adopt that attitude. Positive reinforcement in parenting and in romantic relationships is crucial to our health and well-being.
These exams are fundamentally flawed. For example, in the clip the child has the entire top half of their head engulfed by the hand of a man who proceeds to jerk the kid around suddenly and roughly. Why is it dysfunctional for the child to respond to the physical violence first and the loss of balance second? To put this another way, if you do this to an adult that isn’t aware it’s going to happen, the adult might grab your arm to protect themself - to fight the person that is knocking them over. You *cannot* assume that your efforts and behavior are going to perceived neutrally by people under your care, ESPECIALLY when you already know they are often anxious and on edge. You have misunderstood what you are testing with this exam on a very deep level, and you are likely misunderstanding what you’re actually accomplishing with your treatment plans. I would guess that by teaching children more about why their bodies feel and move in different ways you’re actually improving their ability to assess threats within the narrow environment of your facility, which will have fairly limited transferable benefits. It amounts to trust falls or a gymnastics class. These children will continue to struggle outside the specific contexts this sort of treatment prepares them for. Please consult with an actual pediatric or developmental psychiatry professional. Many of them, in fact. The people who only learned about these things for a single day in a single textbook were not training to assess or treat problems relating to these milestones - a general practitioner would be referring their patients to more specialized treatment in the scenario you described. I’m only leaving this comment because you seem like you’re genuinely interested in helping your clients. I can only pray that you have a similar interest in understanding them and developing useful assessments and treatments for them.
I agree with getting multiple opinions in the medical field. It is crucial. He isn’t being abusive. To asses if the child’s body is still reacting with the reflex you have to test it and see how the body responds. It’s like when the doc taps your knee to see if your leg jerks. The response is clearly an involuntary reflex and not the kid trying to grab an attacker. I think you might have an unhealed deeper issue.
@@sexywarriorwomenhe didn't mention the word abuse at all-I just reread that to double check. Perhaps you're referencing where he described the jerking motion as violent? That didn't translate to "abuse" for me- it just described a quick and rough motion, which it was, and by design. Your last sentence about the author "having an unhealed, deeper issue" feels like a deliberate attack on a person who was clearly trying to add to the conversation in a helpful way, (despite disagreeing with some things) simply because they have a different opinion than you do. You may disagree with their opinion, but what you don't know is literally anything about their history, or their healing, and a comment section isn't the appropriate place to drop something like that. Make the internet into the place you want it to be with your own words, and refrain from saying things to intentionally hurt others. The author above expressed their opinion politely and even gave a compliment to finish their statement with. Let's try to normalize having conversations where it's not an act of war to disagree with one another.
This is game changing! 😮 Thank you! My mom is a teacher with neurodivergent kids. She loves recommending a nutritionist and brain-balance exercises. She can add chiropractic to it, because your video tells us how to explain the need so that parents will seek out their chiropractors!😊 😊😊
I wouldn't recommend seeking out chiropractors for this condition, especially for children. Occupational or physical therapists are the professionals you want. As he said in the video, it's not common for chiropractors to be knowledgeable on this condition and how to treat it.
This is brilliant and I’m stealing it! Sometimes I don’t have anything to add or I don’t have any brain capacity to write something coherent but I still want to leave a comment to boost engagement.
Is it possible I could have this since childhood, now almost 70? I startle easily and have balance issues. I could never do typical childhood things like bikes and skates.
@@DrJoshMadsenWhat you are doing is absolutely beautiful. You are using science to help kids in ways many people don’t even understand possible. These kids lives will forever be better and putting the effort of increasing your online presence gives more awareness. Not to mention the nondirect impact you’re having(and you have a course with intention to train doctors worldwide?!). If I had a child and you helped I would feel unreal amounts of gratitude and relief. I hope the world is treating you as well as you are treating it. Thank you brother. We are lucky to have you.
@@eryxviper This man is NOT a board certified neurologist and the information he is promoting is a proven pseudoscience. He sells courses for 4500 USD a pop and is not a board certified neurologist, please do not listen to his advice, it will only negatively impact the health of your child.
What is the age range for this reflex and the scale of developmental disabilities? When you said “anxiety” it made me think there’s a scale, meaning someone (even a teen or adult of any age), could have these reflexes as a trauma response without regular or severe developmental diagnoses.
As a 31 year old with anxiety and cervical spondylitis, who also has this reflex, is it always a reflex or just bad mechanics and upper trap tightness?
@@sexywarriorwomen Got an appointment with my old neurosurgeon for tomorrow morning. Turned my head last night sitting at the computer, heard a weird clicking sound and now I can barely move. Wish me luck.
How can you support children who still have these reflexes and are therefore heightened fight flight? I don't mean to fix it, but like what can you do to support people while they are working on reducing it when they are in constant fight?
@@justme_alarianpcYou took time out of your day to write a comment blaming your ex DIL for your grandchilds challenges. How does your attitude help anyone?
@@justme_alarianpclook into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
look into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
@@shortbread445how do you know it’s not her own daughter? It’s also not helpful to comment on other people’s struggles when little to no information is given. Praying for everyone here. These babies are innocent in all of this. Let’s not forget that.
Thank you. I need to have myself age 46 checked as well as 18 & 23 yr old daughters. I see an amazing team of neurological based chiropractors at Revival Chiropractic in Altamonte Springs, Florida 32714. Dr. Christina Cuellar is the head of practice and was giving lectures all over the country to train others about reflex type chiropractic and using a tool called an activator I believe. I have been going there nearly 6 years and it changed my life so much.
I am nearly 65 and I have had this and more severe startle reflexes. Is it too late for me? I have never been able to stop yelling in people's faces when they come into a room and I don't see them. My poor husband of 44 years is fairly used to it, but the scream when the door bell rings shakes everyone up. I am in constant pain, but that wasn't the case before age 27. I have just had to give up and laugh when other's are laughing at me.🙄
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I am 49 and have vestibular dysfunction. I also have cerebral nerve disconnect of vision and speech. CPTSD, Dissociation (Fugue), bradycardia, and vagal/vagus nerve issues. Physical therapy is a huge help. Lots of balancing exercises. At least twice a week. Regular checkups with Neurologist and Psychiatrist. Psychotherapist weekly. Start slowly and build up. I still have set backs. Consistency is necessary. But yes adults can have physical responses due to your nervous system not regulating and/or being damaged.
All primitive reflexes should be gone in a healthy adult, but if they DO have any of these reflexes look into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
This is so interesting. I have autism, I’m 25, and I do this! I never noticed that it wasn’t typical. But I do know I fall very hard and have gotten hurt from it because I don’t catch myself. I also have always had very intense anxiety. I’ll have to do more research about this.
Low estrogen + startle reflex is something to google. Perimenopause has me having a ton of issues like this & my anorexic daughter as well. I think these primitive reflexes can pop back up.
I'm more confused now. So if I have brain inflammation that causes my reflexes to return, will it even help to do reflex integration exercises? Or do I just need to treat the inflammation? I've been working on Lyme & toxic mold damage for 15 years... was doing pretty well until COVID & Bart got me. But I don't knoe that mine were "retained" so much as maybe they "reappeared." I DO have autism symptoms, have been anxious forever, and had allergy shots as a kid. So maybe they were retained. But I also had a gifted IQ so I also wonder how that relates. What does that say about frontal lobe function?
Are there reflexes we should have and shouldn't have? I have not noticed too much but is the 2nd part of the video what a child should be doing? Do you have a video on the reflex of putting your hands down when you fall I feel like everyone in my family seems to not have this reflex or very delayed
Audhd here. Wonderful info! The eyes being dialted must be why when I'm struggling with regulation, I'll feel like the sun on an overcast day is an evil demon trying to burn my eyes out of my skull.
I still don't understand what I as an adult can do to find out if I still have those primitive reflexes and if so what I can / should do to treat them.
Im still curious as to how the therapy fir correcting this works. Integration of valance centres makes a lot of sense to me, but i would love love love a little more detail about how these things go from physiological to psychological ( if thats possible to describe without deep background knowledge of neurology and its specific terms/language)
Probably! Also look into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
Yes, probably. OT is very versatile and honestly should probably be standard care for aging too! But yes, OT, especially ones which practice trauma-informed therapy would probably be helpful.
Yes he can even look up exercises online to work on these at home and this will help if done daily. Exercises are very simple and no impact. Google search Exercises and Techniques to help integrate retained primitive reflexes. Moro Reflex Vestibular system retraining
So what does unlearning these primitive reflexes accomplish, aside for correcting the reflexes? Still seems like a secondary issue, while the underlying problem/flaw/injury remains.
From what I understand about what he's saying, it seems to help people be less reactive or at least have a less intense startle reaction. Could help with emotional regulation too.
Question - is this called a retained primitive reflex? Only thing I can find relating to this in the uk my cousin had treatment ie set of exercises assigned to her based on which reflex was retained!
Yes. look into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
So I am a thirty-something year-old woman. Is this reflex why I am so easily startled? My friends back when I was in school used to joke that I was a war vet in a past life. When I got my ADHD diagnosis last year they suggested I get tested for autism as well. I have many health issues (odd allergies) and my mom used to always complain I didn't know how to fall considering I tripped often and constantly sprained joints.
I tried this exercise with my 15-month-old and almost 3-year-old and both of their arms start to go up. I'm not an expert but it seems like a reaction that is intended to keep your balance to avoid falling back. I'm not sure I would personally use this as a gauge to determine neuro-development issues. Can any other experts chime in?
Look up retained primitive reflex integration…even a simple google search with pdf …you will find lots of info about this topic, including how to test for primitive reflexes and how to integrate them
This is not really something you can do online. You have to help the body reset physically through real time physical feedback to the brain. look into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
Yes. That is intentional steadying. In the case of the Moro reflex, it’s completely unintentional (a reflex) and doesn’t help steady. Reflexes occur without thought, before you consciously even realize what is occurring.
I’m 42. I’d still reach upward to grab the arms of and/hold on to the person knocking me over. Is this *really* abnormal? What does rehabbing the reflex entail? It really seems normal to me…
That is exactly how I feel. It makes sense to me to put my hands out front as a counter balance or like you said to try and grab something if you start to fall backwards. So curious as to why that is a bad thing. Def going to look into it more.
He is talking about functional neurology. Look up functional medicine. It is based on research that most medical doctors aren’t trained in unless they receive continuing education after medical school. One of our allergy doctors was looking up basic immunology stuff online right in front if us because he didn’t know it. I was socked. Between that and other things, we fired him and found a new doc that knew what he was doing. Not all doctors are created equal.
@@sexywarriorwomen Functional Neurology is not a science. Period. These people are selling snake oil. You want to waste your money?These people have crawled out of the mud to happily take it. Good luck with that.
Basically none of what this dude said is true. The current hypothesis is that the response comes as a survival instinct to signal to the mother that the baby is losing grip on its mother (Child Development by Laura E. Berk et al.). The Moro reflex consists of spreading out the arms, then pulling them in, and then possibly crying. It does not including an increase in heart rate, dilated pupils, nor "entering a state of fight or flight" as mentioned in the short. Only severe neurological defects, like cerebral palsy and possibly strokes or traumatic lesions, impede the development of the frontal lobes from suppressing the reflex which allows the reflex to persist.
Usually some sort of brain damage or ptsd. It has to be done real time, physically with feedback to the brain. Look into functional neurology, Brain Gym, and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
@@dbob132Do some more research. Ptsd and cptsd can inhibit frontal lobe function as well. I have worked with these kids and seen HUGE improvements using functional neurology, Brain Gym, and neurofeedback. He mentions over 50 years of research in the video. You can dig into it if you like. You might be surprised at what you discover.
What if you child has anxiety and rocks back and forth alot every time I try to help her it seams to make it worst what do I do she's 3 about to be 4 she has an autistic sister
She may be self soothing or seeking sensory input. When she is NOT rocking you can try asking her if she is verbal enough what she likes about rocking. If you have access to annual wellness checkups it is something to bring up in case you have insurance and they require a referral. She may just be copying her big sister if she sees her rock. Our 4th daughter was waiting listed and then missed for ASD even though the specialist was great. She was diagnosed with ADHD & anxiety finally at age 8. She began medications but they only helped some. I requested more testing g after yrs w same specialist every 3 months and she agreed as my 11 yr old was showing no interest in peers and had always homeschooled. She was waitlisted again. Finally diagnosed just before 16th bday but they acted like too late to help! We have PPO insurance. Now she is 18 & finishing online school for senior yr but still needs help. With ARFID and sensory stuff & skills like balance etc. bless you!
@@warriormamma8098 Look into functional neurology, Brain Gym, and neurofeedback. I worked for a psychologist and we had great results with autistic kids using these techniques. :) This guy also has resources at his web site.
Look into functional neurology, Brain Gym, and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
I cane from the short, I don't know how to do it but there is a way to actually make a clickable link for mobile users. Though it isn't posted in the comments but is shown under the creators name so at the bottom left corner. Another thing is to post the link in the caption / description of the video but I'm not sure about that working
Yes, it can. Many learn ways to cope, either on their own or in therapy, but some continue to experience this throughout their lives. That’s why it’s never too late for therapy. ❤
Hello, my son was diagnosed with autism level 3 last year. He has some of the symptoms that you discussed in the video. This is the first time I see more details about this type of therapy, is not common in our area, are there any exercises that we as parents can do with our kids at home? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
I am 48 years old and went thru sever mental,physical & s*xual abuse as a child and early teens. Anytime someone talks to me before i see them or someone walks into the room im in, i startle everytime and (im not anxious at the time)I absoljtely hate it bc i jump so bad everytime and nothi g helps other than my family saying my name very loud before walking in or saying anything to me which they half way will think to do. Im told this is a reault of my childhood and cant improve it very much. Does anyone else know of this happening or have it themself? And yes im also a very high strung,anxious person overall but its hard to describe here in comments. Can therapy help stop the startling completely or close to that? I notice my heart goes a mile a minute most when I startle aside from jumping 2 feet off the floor and my arms only go slightly outward when I think of it. I'll pay attention to what my arms do but don't think I move them too significantly.But I know obv im an Der adult and not a child so obv my arms wouldnt go up as high as a childs.😘
@jessmercado5357 does anyone watch the video 😭 he said he has courses and gave his website, he said he has a ton of videos on RUclips with at home exercises and more information/tips!
Whats the effect of excessive screen between 0-2 years time on developing childs brain? I’ve seen a lot of new studies on virtual autism or screen induced autism where excessive screen time can also cause stimming and sensory issues. Would love your professional opinion
Interesting video. However you might want to get some scientific backing on your asthma/allergen claims. From what I've read the link there is very weak,
I suffer from anxiety. I wanted to watch this video, but the constant replaying of that moro reflex of the young boy caused me considerable distress every time I saw it. so I just had to stop watch ing the video.
It has to be done real time, physically with feedback to the brain. Look into functional neurology, Brain Gym, and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
@@sexywarriorwomen That's how I understood it when he talked about it in the video. I know these aren't basic chiropractic skills--I'm a Chiropractor's wife lol
And so this so called wasted time of yours as you so stated ...felt the need of replying with such a comment because you felt the claimed already wasted time may be lonely ...lmao The thought bubbles i picture above your head are hilarious ...something like 💭🗨️🗯️ poor poor wasted time of mine ...don't frety tiny little wasted time-lets, you'll have company soon enough 🗨️💭🗯️ *continues to the comment section to write out some 'company'
Just gonna be really honest - having the 4 Hour Work Week behind you in videos makes me take you less seriously. It doesn’t convey dedication to people/children that are suffering. It conveys you want to make a ton of money on the internet and hide it in a tax haven in Latin America. I admire functional neurologists, not internet grifters.
How is this bad to have a reflex? There's not a single explanation throughout this video, nor in the full video. So I'm going to assume this as 'creating problems that do not exist to sell courses' and disliking this shit.
He explained it's a reflex babies have that is supposed to go away. Reflexes that are helpful for a baby can be detrimental in older people if they continue.
It is a reflex babies have that goes away naturally on it’s own. If it dies not go away on it’s own then it is a sign that the brain is stuck or damaged and it needs treatment and healing.
it’s bad because it means the persons fight/flight response is being easily activated which releases cortisol and adrenaline into their body. being in fight/flight often is not good for your mental health or physical health.
@@jen.jen6681 yes, that’s what they want you to believe. Kinda like the jab prevented Covid, right? I’m not going to argue with you about this, I’m a RN of almost 20 years, and have worked all the way from Pediatrics to Geriatrics. Many times over the years, I have seen first hand the results of many so called safe and effective treatments. The worst being the sudden list of issues from failure to thrive to pre autism diagnoses to severe allergies to learning disabilities that started popping up after certain vaccines. I watched smiling, drooling happy babies making eye contact receive vaccines and return in a few months lethargically staring at the wall with distraught parents. Even though one of the Physicians in the pediatric group where I worked stopped giving combo vaccines whenever possible because she too was becoming concerned (quietly concerned, she had to follow the medical practice rules of the group she was in, she would not voice her concerns out loud. Physicians rarely have autonomy. They tow the party line or lose their lucrative practice income) I had to step away from Peds because I couldn’t stand watching one more little chubby thigh getting jabbed and wondering if they would return to our office continuing to thrive or with a laundry list of parent questions and concerns. Going to have to agree to disagree on this one, but thankfully I’ve noticed since the Covid vaccine lies patients are more skeptical and ask a lot of questions now about the meds/vaccines/treatments their Doctor recommends. Step in the right direction, but too late for many, many children.
It would depend on how it effected their body. Some people had neurological after effects, some testicular, but most people who reacted badly to it had heart issues (which even the CDC now acknowledges).
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What about children like this who have suffered into adulthood? I have had a prenatal brain injury and inadequate medical treatment couple by severe abuse and am stuck in fight or flight and am autistic. Located in Colorado. Please help. Thank you.
TLDR
the moro reflex is a so called "primitiv reflex" it usually disappears after the first year of life when the brain develops enough to inhibit primitiv reflexes.
When there is something that blocks the ability of the brain to develop primitiv reflexes can persist. Causes can be Cerebral palsy, brain damage in any way, hypoxia, brain heammorhagie or autism (to mention some). When these people get triggered the reflex occurs. That can cause a lot of stres because it feels like a loss of control. If you or a beloved on is affected please look out for a physician specialized in this field. They can try help you to overwrite that reflex.
Friendly corrections or remarks welcome :)
That is exactly why he is doing these videos. To show people there is help available.
@@sexywarriorwomen the commenter didn't think they were providing info that was not in the video. "TLDR" means "too long, didn't read" and is a way to say: "Here comes a summary (in case it was too long and someone didn't feel like reading/watching the whole thing)"
Could neuroinflammation cause this?
A physician would typically recommend you to go to an occupational therapist. Reflex integration and sensory systems are some of their specialties
@@bamboo_craftI would imagine so. Like with congenital tick borne illness, which looks like autism but can be effectively treated with antibiotics by a knowledgeable doctor.
We have custody of our seven year old autistic niece. She was abused & Severely neglected & shows signs of everything you have talked about. It's so nice to get information on what is going on instead of "this is just what we found in this type of child".
You should definitely talk to a psychiatrist or someone who is trained in mental health! Chiropractors are not medical doctors.
Most definitely go to a mental health professional I'm a surviver of extensive child abuse your neice is going to need alot of mental health help to get past what she went through.
I read we have your and got scared, regardless I wish you and your niece the best
@@atticusmulkey9378functional medicine goes WAY beyond chiropractic. Do some research into it. Many MD’s are also getting trained in functional medicine. It’s medicine based on more in depth and updated research.
@BlodianButBeter thank you. Your kindness matters so much.
I've know I still have this reflex for a few years now and I have a great therapist for this. It is great to see people talk about it and this needs to get more attention. Thanks for your work.
Whe I was younger I was always just the scared crybaby. I am 18 now and I become more and more confident with new situations I never could have dealt with just 2 years ago.
This is so new to me, can you tell me more about how working on this reflex has helped you? How would you describe it in a sort of before and after fashion?
I have a couple students who react this way. One in particular whom I haven’t known how to help. I’m sending this to his mom
I'd also like to see what the normal reflex looks like.
They showed and said what a "normal" response looks like. The arms should go down, as if to catch itself.
I wish we had more people to treat this.
Positive and stable living conditions will go a long.way
Which is why he is training as many as he can.
@@JFKALLDAY Right, the reflex itself is not the problem, it's just an indicator of a broader issue.
People can get stunted in their development by stressful environmental factors in early life or they can regress into a chronic fight or flight state after physical injuries or emotional trauma.
If the living conditions aren't stable enough, the treatment may also fail and if the living environment is positive and supportive enough to a person who struggles with this, the issue might get resolved naturally with proper attention, love and support from family and friends.
Negative reinforcement will always cause more problems than it attempts to resolve. That's why old ABA therapies left autistic children more traumatized and chronically triggered rather than helping them resolve their issues. There are many autistic adults on the internet who talk about their experiences with treatments they had to endure as children. The reason is very simple: there are unlimited ways to avoid punishments, but there are only a few ways to secure a reward. If punishments exceed the rewards, people may fall into apathy and even complete catatonic shutdown in extreme cases. People who are in distress, can't be punished out of their frightened state. Their nervous systems are already overwhelmed, they need understanding and kindness to get out of that state. We have to learn how to build trust and how to communicate better in our relationships, that's the prerequisite for healing and it's freely available to anybody who wants to work on themself and adopt that attitude. Positive reinforcement in parenting and in romantic relationships is crucial to our health and well-being.
There are, they’re called occupational therapists lol
These exams are fundamentally flawed. For example, in the clip the child has the entire top half of their head engulfed by the hand of a man who proceeds to jerk the kid around suddenly and roughly. Why is it dysfunctional for the child to respond to the physical violence first and the loss of balance second?
To put this another way, if you do this to an adult that isn’t aware it’s going to happen, the adult might grab your arm to protect themself - to fight the person that is knocking them over.
You *cannot* assume that your efforts and behavior are going to perceived neutrally by people under your care, ESPECIALLY when you already know they are often anxious and on edge. You have misunderstood what you are testing with this exam on a very deep level, and you are likely misunderstanding what you’re actually accomplishing with your treatment plans.
I would guess that by teaching children more about why their bodies feel and move in different ways you’re actually improving their ability to assess threats within the narrow environment of your facility, which will have fairly limited transferable benefits. It amounts to trust falls or a gymnastics class. These children will continue to struggle outside the specific contexts this sort of treatment prepares them for.
Please consult with an actual pediatric or developmental psychiatry professional. Many of them, in fact. The people who only learned about these things for a single day in a single textbook were not training to assess or treat problems relating to these milestones - a general practitioner would be referring their patients to more specialized treatment in the scenario you described.
I’m only leaving this comment because you seem like you’re genuinely interested in helping your clients. I can only pray that you have a similar interest in understanding them and developing useful assessments and treatments for them.
I agree with getting multiple opinions in the medical field. It is crucial.
He isn’t being abusive. To asses if the child’s body is still reacting with the reflex you have to test it and see how the body responds. It’s like when the doc taps your knee to see if your leg jerks.
The response is clearly an involuntary reflex and not the kid trying to grab an attacker. I think you might have an unhealed deeper issue.
@@sexywarriorwomenhe didn't mention the word abuse at all-I just reread that to double check. Perhaps you're referencing where he described the jerking motion as violent? That didn't translate to "abuse" for me- it just described a quick and rough motion, which it was, and by design.
Your last sentence about the author "having an unhealed, deeper issue" feels like a deliberate attack on a person who was clearly trying to add to the conversation in a helpful way, (despite disagreeing with some things) simply because they have a different opinion than you do.
You may disagree with their opinion, but what you don't know is literally anything about their history, or their healing, and a comment section isn't the appropriate place to drop something like that.
Make the internet into the place you want it to be with your own words, and refrain from saying things to intentionally hurt others. The author above expressed their opinion politely and even gave a compliment to finish their statement with.
Let's try to normalize having conversations where it's not an act of war to disagree with one another.
This is game changing! 😮 Thank you! My mom is a teacher with neurodivergent kids. She loves recommending a nutritionist and brain-balance exercises. She can add chiropractic to it, because your video tells us how to explain the need so that parents will seek out their chiropractors!😊 😊😊
It’s actually functional medicine which he does on top of his chiropractic.
Also have her look into Brain Gym also. It’s SO helpful.
I wouldn't recommend seeking out chiropractors for this condition, especially for children. Occupational or physical therapists are the professionals you want. As he said in the video, it's not common for chiropractors to be knowledgeable on this condition and how to treat it.
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This is brilliant and I’m stealing it! Sometimes I don’t have anything to add or I don’t have any brain capacity to write something coherent but I still want to leave a comment to boost engagement.
@@soclose2her 💯 😅 Only if RUclips is like instagram you need at least 5 words not including emojis to count as engagement. 😊❤
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Is it possible I could have this since childhood, now almost 70? I startle easily and have balance issues. I could never do typical childhood things like bikes and skates.
Thanks for attaching this explanation vid to the short one!
Thank you for doing this work. I have a child with autism. Your work matters.
Your videos seriously help a lot. Thank you so so so much. You are actually amazing
Happy to help!
@@DrJoshMadsenWhat you are doing is absolutely beautiful. You are using science to help kids in ways many people don’t even understand possible. These kids lives will forever be better and putting the effort of increasing your online presence gives more awareness. Not to mention the nondirect impact you’re having(and you have a course with intention to train doctors worldwide?!). If I had a child and you helped I would feel unreal amounts of gratitude and relief.
I hope the world is treating you as well as you are treating it.
Thank you brother.
We are lucky to have you.
@@eryxviper This man is NOT a board certified neurologist and the information he is promoting is a proven pseudoscience. He sells courses for 4500 USD a pop and is not a board certified neurologist, please do not listen to his advice, it will only negatively impact the health of your child.
What is the age range for this reflex and the scale of developmental disabilities? When you said “anxiety” it made me think there’s a scale, meaning someone (even a teen or adult of any age), could have these reflexes as a trauma response without regular or severe developmental diagnoses.
I agree. I see it also as it could be acquired or regressed to as a result of different types of trauma and stress.
Correct. That can happen. Find a functional neurologist who can test and develop a treatment plan.
@@BlueBlossomsBluesyes. For sure. Ptsd and cptsd definitely impact this brain function.
Neurofeedback and functional neurology definitely help.
Very interesting! ❤️ Thank you for sharing important knowledge!
As a 31 year old with anxiety and cervical spondylitis, who also has this reflex, is it always a reflex or just bad mechanics and upper trap tightness?
I suggest you ask a real doctor, and, don't let people on the internet tell you about another new thing to worry about :). Hope you feel better soon.
A functional medicine neurologist would be able to tell you.
@@sexywarriorwomen Got an appointment with my old neurosurgeon for tomorrow morning. Turned my head last night sitting at the computer, heard a weird clicking sound and now I can barely move. Wish me luck.
@@sexywarriorwomen functional neurology is a made up term. Chiropractic is, in its entirety, anti-science. Look into it :)
@@utkarsh2746update later? ❤
How can you support children who still have these reflexes and are therefore heightened fight flight? I don't mean to fix it, but like what can you do to support people while they are working on reducing it when they are in constant fight?
My granddaughter is so nervous all the time from the life she lived while with her mother.
@@justme_alarianpcYou took time out of your day to write a comment blaming your ex DIL for your grandchilds challenges. How does your attitude help anyone?
@@justme_alarianpclook into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
look into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
@@shortbread445how do you know it’s not her own daughter? It’s also not helpful to comment on other people’s struggles when little to no information is given. Praying for everyone here. These babies are innocent in all of this. Let’s not forget that.
Thank you. I need to have myself age 46 checked as well as 18 & 23 yr old daughters. I see an amazing team of neurological based chiropractors at Revival Chiropractic in Altamonte Springs, Florida 32714. Dr. Christina Cuellar is the head of practice and was giving lectures all over the country to train others about reflex type chiropractic and using a tool called an activator I believe. I have been going there nearly 6 years and it changed my life so much.
Does this chiropractic team test for the primitive reflexes?? Or is their approach with neurological chiropractic from a different standpoint?
I actually found you from this video.
I am nearly 65 and I have had this and more severe startle reflexes. Is it too late for me? I have never been able to stop yelling in people's faces when they come into a room and I don't see them. My poor husband of 44 years is fairly used to it, but the scream when the door bell rings shakes everyone up. I am in constant pain, but that wasn't the case before age 27. I have just had to give up and laugh when other's are laughing at me.🙄
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I am 49 and have vestibular dysfunction. I also have cerebral nerve disconnect of vision and speech. CPTSD, Dissociation (Fugue), bradycardia, and vagal/vagus nerve issues. Physical therapy is a huge help. Lots of balancing exercises. At least twice a week. Regular checkups with Neurologist and Psychiatrist. Psychotherapist weekly. Start slowly and build up. I still have set backs. Consistency is necessary. But yes adults can have physical responses due to your nervous system not regulating and/or being damaged.
Medical genetics would be more useful. Get checked for fatty acid oxidation disorders or other inborn errors of metabolism
So how do you fix the problem?
📚 Me looking g at titles of books in background 👀
Always!
Can it be helped if it is a result of head trauma, concussion or inflamation?
In the video he said it could be caused by inflammation or concussion, and high stress.
Does this reflex react the same for adults
All primitive reflexes should be gone in a healthy adult, but if they DO have any of these reflexes look into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
Checked this with my Son who's on the Spectrum, no reflex present 😊
Love that!
That's great news! ❤
Congrats. It’s only one of many primitive reflexes. It might be useful to go to a functional neurologist and test them all. :)
Does your son seem to always/easily be sent into fight or flight?
This is so interesting. I have autism, I’m 25, and I do this! I never noticed that it wasn’t typical. But I do know I fall very hard and have gotten hurt from it because I don’t catch myself. I also have always had very intense anxiety. I’ll have to do more research about this.
The roasting the frontal lobes of the internet trolls was amazing lmao
Low estrogen + startle reflex is something to google. Perimenopause has me having a ton of issues like this & my anorexic daughter as well. I think these primitive reflexes can pop back up.
They can.
I'm more confused now. So if I have brain inflammation that causes my reflexes to return, will it even help to do reflex integration exercises? Or do I just need to treat the inflammation? I've been working on Lyme & toxic mold damage for 15 years... was doing pretty well until COVID & Bart got me. But I don't knoe that mine were "retained" so much as maybe they "reappeared." I DO have autism symptoms, have been anxious forever, and had allergy shots as a kid. So maybe they were retained. But I also had a gifted IQ so I also wonder how that relates. What does that say about frontal lobe function?
So If you observe a new onset of this reflex in an adult, does it indicate a change in their brain?
Are there reflexes we should have and shouldn't have? I have not noticed too much but is the 2nd part of the video what a child should be doing? Do you have a video on the reflex of putting your hands down when you fall I feel like everyone in my family seems to not have this reflex or very delayed
Audhd here. Wonderful info! The eyes being dialted must be why when I'm struggling with regulation, I'll feel like the sun on an overcast day is an evil demon trying to burn my eyes out of my skull.
I have seen some old people take their arms up when startled or falling. Is this the same?
I still don't understand what I as an adult can do to find out if I still have those primitive reflexes and if so what I can / should do to treat them.
See if you can find a functional neurologist you can go to. They can test and treat anything that comes up.
Im still curious as to how the therapy fir correcting this works. Integration of valance centres makes a lot of sense to me, but i would love love love a little more detail about how these things go from physiological to psychological ( if thats possible to describe without deep background knowledge of neurology and its specific terms/language)
My 82 yr old ex who was severely abused & neglected as a child still has this reflex. Can OT help him?
Probably! Also look into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
Yes, probably. OT is very versatile and honestly should probably be standard care for aging too! But yes, OT, especially ones which practice trauma-informed therapy would probably be helpful.
Yes he can even look up exercises online to work on these at home and this will help if done daily. Exercises are very simple and no impact.
Google search
Exercises and Techniques to help integrate retained primitive reflexes. Moro Reflex
Vestibular system retraining
So what does unlearning these primitive reflexes accomplish, aside for correcting the reflexes? Still seems like a secondary issue, while the underlying problem/flaw/injury remains.
From what I understand about what he's saying, it seems to help people be less reactive or at least have a less intense startle reaction. Could help with emotional regulation too.
Actually, the active reflex will cause a lot of secondary problems like learning difficulties in children. So the reflex is the basis.
Question - is this called a retained primitive reflex? Only thing I can find relating to this in the uk my cousin had treatment ie set of exercises assigned to her based on which reflex was retained!
How do you fix it??!!
Can you train adult brains to inhibit this reflex?
Yes. look into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
How do you help someone who is an adult with this? Say in their late 30’s and struggling.
Look up exercises to integrate the moro (startle) reflex. You can begin with the starfish exercise.
So I am a thirty-something year-old woman. Is this reflex why I am so easily startled? My friends back when I was in school used to joke that I was a war vet in a past life. When I got my ADHD diagnosis last year they suggested I get tested for autism as well. I have many health issues (odd allergies) and my mom used to always complain I didn't know how to fall considering I tripped often and constantly sprained joints.
I tried this exercise with my 15-month-old and almost 3-year-old and both of their arms start to go up. I'm not an expert but it seems like a reaction that is intended to keep your balance to avoid falling back. I'm not sure I would personally use this as a gauge to determine neuro-development issues. Can any other experts chime in?
Look up retained primitive reflex integration…even a simple google search with pdf …you will find lots of info about this topic, including how to test for primitive reflexes and how to integrate them
Do you do online sessions/therapy to help parents be able to better help kids with tbis.
This is not really something you can do online. You have to help the body reset physically through real time physical feedback to the brain.
look into functional neurology and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
I’d love to learn about this, do you teach doctorate level TCM / Acupuncture docs?
As a gymnastics we are taught to put your arms out or up to keep your balance. Is that ok, or do we need to change this? Thank you.
Yes. That is intentional steadying. In the case of the Moro reflex, it’s completely unintentional (a reflex) and doesn’t help steady. Reflexes occur without thought, before you consciously even realize what is occurring.
@@GlowingTrashPanda99 Thank you. Is there a way to tell if it is a natural reflex or a learned reflex?
I’m 42. I’d still reach upward to grab the arms of and/hold on to the person knocking me over. Is this *really* abnormal?
What does rehabbing the reflex entail? It really seems normal to me…
You can research it yourself if you want to. Like he said in the video - there has been over 50 years worth if research on this.
That is exactly how I feel. It makes sense to me to put my hands out front as a counter balance or like you said to try and grab something if you start to fall backwards. So curious as to why that is a bad thing. Def going to look into it more.
Is it possible for it to happen again?
Can an adult that had a severe ccar accident?
Possibly. Look into functional neurology and neurofeedback. :) He has resources at his web site.
In judo we learn it day one.
Doctor of what?
What a load of BS. Gee, is this guy selling something. Well yes he is. Acts as if the Moreau reflex is something he discovered. Embarrassing.
@@terilouder8711no. He’s showing a way to treat if someone’s body is stuck with the reflex.
He is talking about functional neurology.
Look up functional medicine. It is based on research that most medical doctors aren’t trained in unless they receive continuing education after medical school.
One of our allergy doctors was looking up basic immunology stuff online right in front if us because he didn’t know it.
I was socked. Between that and other things, we fired him and found a new doc that knew what he was doing.
Not all doctors are created equal.
@@sexywarriorwomen Functional Neurology is not a science. Period. These people are selling snake oil.
You want to waste your money?These people have crawled out of the mud to happily take it. Good luck with that.
Is there a specific reason that it doesn't go away in infantcy?
Basically none of what this dude said is true. The current hypothesis is that the response comes as a survival instinct to signal to the mother that the baby is losing grip on its mother (Child Development by Laura E. Berk et al.). The Moro reflex consists of spreading out the arms, then pulling them in, and then possibly crying. It does not including an increase in heart rate, dilated pupils, nor "entering a state of fight or flight" as mentioned in the short. Only severe neurological defects, like cerebral palsy and possibly strokes or traumatic lesions, impede the development of the frontal lobes from suppressing the reflex which allows the reflex to persist.
Usually some sort of brain damage or ptsd. It has to be done real time, physically with feedback to the brain. Look into functional neurology, Brain Gym, and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
@@dbob132Do some more research. Ptsd and cptsd can inhibit frontal lobe function as well. I have worked with these kids and seen HUGE improvements using functional neurology, Brain Gym, and neurofeedback.
He mentions over 50 years of research in the video. You can dig into it if you like. You might be surprised at what you discover.
Is this the same as when I lay my cat down on her back and her arms go up over her head?
Ok but i need to know more
What if you child has anxiety and rocks back and forth alot every time I try to help her it seams to make it worst what do I do she's 3 about to be 4 she has an autistic sister
She may be self soothing or seeking sensory input. When she is NOT rocking you can try asking her if she is verbal enough what she likes about rocking. If you have access to annual wellness checkups it is something to bring up in case you have insurance and they require a referral. She may just be copying her big sister if she sees her rock. Our 4th daughter was waiting listed and then missed for ASD even though the specialist was great. She was diagnosed with ADHD & anxiety finally at age 8. She began medications but they only helped some. I requested more testing g after yrs w same specialist every 3 months and she agreed as my 11 yr old was showing no interest in peers and had always homeschooled. She was waitlisted again. Finally diagnosed just before 16th bday but they acted like too late to help! We have PPO insurance. Now she is 18 & finishing online school for senior yr but still needs help. With ARFID and sensory stuff & skills like balance etc. bless you!
Let her. It’s a stim. Are you sure you don’t maybe have two autistic children?
@@warriormamma8098 Look into functional neurology, Brain Gym, and neurofeedback.
I worked for a psychologist and we had great results with autistic kids using these techniques. :)
This guy also has resources at his web site.
Look into functional neurology, Brain Gym, and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
I cane from the short, I don't know how to do it but there is a way to actually make a clickable link for mobile users. Though it isn't posted in the comments but is shown under the creators name so at the bottom left corner. Another thing is to post the link in the caption / description of the video but I'm not sure about that working
There used to be RUclips removed it about a year ago none of the shorts have it anymore.
@@nicoleperron3315 that's not true I still use these reduction links
@@nicoleperron3315 I got here from the short by clicking link to this long version…So it’s there. On mobile device/cell.
Does this continue into their adulthood?
It shouldn’t in a healthy adult.
Yes, it can. Many learn ways to cope, either on their own or in therapy, but some continue to experience this throughout their lives. That’s why it’s never too late for therapy. ❤
What questions do you want answered?
My stepson with Autism still has his infantile reflexes at 10. Which specialist do we need to see?
You answered this in the video. Thanks! :)
@@Kazymediclook for a functional neurologist who specialize in primitive reflexes
Hello, my son was diagnosed with autism level 3 last year. He has some of the symptoms that you discussed in the video. This is the first time I see more details about this type of therapy, is not common in our area, are there any exercises that we as parents can do with our kids at home? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
I am 48 years old and went thru sever mental,physical & s*xual abuse as a child and early teens. Anytime someone talks to me before i see them or someone walks into the room im in, i startle everytime and (im not anxious at the time)I absoljtely hate it bc i jump so bad everytime and nothi g helps other than my family saying my name very loud before walking in or saying anything to me which they half way will think to do. Im told this is a reault of my childhood and cant improve it very much. Does anyone else know of this happening or have it themself? And yes im also a very high strung,anxious person overall but its hard to describe here in comments. Can therapy help stop the startling completely or close to that? I notice my heart goes a mile a minute most when I startle aside from jumping 2 feet off the floor and my arms only go slightly outward when I think of it. I'll pay attention to what my arms do but don't think I move them too significantly.But I know obv im an Der adult and not a child so obv my arms wouldnt go up as high as a childs.😘
@jessmercado5357 does anyone watch the video 😭 he said he has courses and gave his website, he said he has a ton of videos on RUclips with at home exercises and more information/tips!
Whats the effect of excessive screen between 0-2 years time on developing childs brain? I’ve seen a lot of new studies on virtual autism or screen induced autism where excessive screen time can also cause stimming and sensory issues. Would love your professional opinion
Interesting video.
However you might want to get some scientific backing on your asthma/allergen claims. From what I've read the link there is very weak,
I suffer from anxiety. I wanted to watch this video, but the constant replaying of that moro reflex of the young boy caused me considerable distress every time I saw it. so I just had to stop watch ing the video.
Anyone have the basics on how this is treated? 🙃🙃🙃
Look up Katona therapy for integrating reflexes
So how do you fit it
It has to be done real time, physically with feedback to the brain. Look into functional neurology, Brain Gym, and neurofeedback, and of course finding a good therapist who isn’t an ego maniac is good. :) He also has resources at his web site.
I was happily surprised when you said your expertise is chiropractic 🤩❤️🔥🥳 great content. Thank you for your work 🫶🏽🥹
This is on top of chiropractic. It is called functional medicine.
@@sexywarriorwomen That's how I understood it when he talked about it in the video. I know these aren't basic chiropractic skills--I'm a Chiropractor's wife lol
What does this look like in adults….?
Can the treatment be UNDONE
I feel like this is normal reflex…
I just found your channel and I’m curious if it’s safe to try some of these things with my children?
Great information, and great roast of the online morons! 👌
This is the nerd / herb test.
Waste of my time, all this does is say this is a reflex. Oh, and he/they know how to get rid of it.
And so this so called wasted time of yours as you so stated ...felt the need of replying with such a comment because you felt the claimed already wasted time may be lonely ...lmao
The thought bubbles i picture above your head are hilarious ...something like 💭🗨️🗯️ poor poor wasted time of mine ...don't frety tiny little wasted time-lets, you'll have company soon enough 🗨️💭🗯️ *continues to the comment section to write out some 'company'
Primitive reflex integration functional neurology
Isn’t it flight, fight, freeze?
It is fight, flight, freeze, or submission really, but that is a lot in one mouthful and most people know what you are referring to.
@@sexywarriorwomenits often referred to as fight, flight, freeze, fawn
Are you danish?
Just gonna be really honest - having the 4 Hour Work Week behind you in videos makes me take you less seriously. It doesn’t convey dedication to people/children that are suffering. It conveys you want to make a ton of money on the internet and hide it in a tax haven in Latin America. I admire functional neurologists, not internet grifters.
I don’t see the book to which you refer. I enlarged the image three times.
How is this bad to have a reflex? There's not a single explanation throughout this video, nor in the full video. So I'm going to assume this as 'creating problems that do not exist to sell courses' and disliking this shit.
Listen again, he does explain why it's bad 2:05
He explained it's a reflex babies have that is supposed to go away. Reflexes that are helpful for a baby can be detrimental in older people if they continue.
He explained why it's bad in several different ways throughout the whole video
It is a reflex babies have that goes away naturally on it’s own. If it dies not go away on it’s own then it is a sign that the brain is stuck or damaged and it needs treatment and healing.
it’s bad because it means the persons fight/flight response is being easily activated which releases cortisol and adrenaline into their body. being in fight/flight often is not good for your mental health or physical health.
I wonder what the difference of the reflex remaining on vaccinated vs non vaccinated kids.
Probably none at all since the autism - vaccine link is a bunch a hooey! 😐
@@jen.jen6681 yes, that’s what they want you to believe. Kinda like the jab prevented Covid, right? I’m not going to argue with you about this, I’m a RN of almost 20 years, and have worked all the way from Pediatrics to Geriatrics. Many times over the years, I have seen first hand the results of many so called safe and effective treatments. The worst being the sudden list of issues from failure to thrive to pre autism diagnoses to severe allergies to learning disabilities that started popping up after certain vaccines. I watched smiling, drooling happy babies making eye contact receive vaccines and return in a few months lethargically staring at the wall with distraught parents. Even though one of the Physicians in the pediatric group where I worked stopped giving combo vaccines whenever possible because she too was becoming concerned (quietly concerned, she had to follow the medical practice rules of the group she was in, she would not voice her concerns out loud. Physicians rarely have autonomy. They tow the party line or lose their lucrative practice income) I had to step away from Peds because I couldn’t stand watching one more little chubby thigh getting jabbed and wondering if they would return to our office continuing to thrive or with a laundry list of parent questions and concerns. Going to have to agree to disagree on this one, but thankfully I’ve noticed since the Covid vaccine lies patients are more skeptical and ask a lot of questions now about the meds/vaccines/treatments their Doctor recommends. Step in the right direction, but too late for many, many children.
It would depend on how it effected their body. Some people had neurological after effects, some testicular, but most people who reacted badly to it had heart issues (which even the CDC now acknowledges).
Quick!!! Help the frontal lobes!! 😢it’s funny but it’s not because it’s a huge problem. 🫶🏽