Not to nitpick, it's definitely waaaay cheaper to fuel an electric vehicle than a gas. However, the Livewire One has a 13.6kWh battery. Avg electricity rates in Georgia are 9.9 cents per kWh. So it costs $1.35 to "fill up". Maybe whatever you are referring to was referring to the per kWh rate.
@nismo510 Exactly, I have a model 3 and solar. I'd get an electric bike too if it had more range, but I typically put in about 150-200 semi-aggressive miles when I ride. They need to triple the mileage before I can get one. Or maybe charge 1/3 and I'd get one just for the heck of it.
Towing costs though when I get stranded. I put down alot of miles, and when I'm not commuting I'll just go ride around, get something to eat. It'll ruin your chances go actually enjoy the bike cause I can't just go get lost on the road and find a gas station trying to get home
Done it. Bought a Zero DSR with charge tank. But the Livewire is faster at charging, has slightly better range, easier to use dashboard, has much better regen, so I plan to switch to it or the Energica.
I'm sorry Chase, but there is no way that only costs 9 cents to charge. Unless Georgia has the cheapest electricity rates ever lol. That battery is 15.5 kilowatts. My battery on my zero fxs is half that size at 7.2 kilowatts and costs about 62 cents to charge based on my electricity rates here in Colorado. So your actual cost to charge at home is probably closer to $1.20 to $1.50. Which is still far better than your other motorcycles.
I'm not a Harley Davidson fans or a fan of electric vehicles, but I always say if there is an electric bike I choose, I pick the Livewire. Also love the videography were you put the camera in the bushes.
Seems like the most viable pick rn for sure. Imma test ride one, but it's like when I feel like it's going to a crap restaurant just to see how bad. Haha, I've been surprised before though. Can it give me the fizz like an RC8R though? Probably not man I'm riding on high quality steak dinners here man
That's not accurate. It will take 30+ years for everyone to go electric. And it won't be 10x. Maybe double or triple. With inflation everything will be 2-3x. Also, you can create your own electricity with solar. Everyone uses gas right now and you know high how gas prices are. If you consider inflation gas is not even 2x what it was any time in the recent past.
So it can charge when it’s convenient ( overnight/food/etc) because what’s your time worth ? Do you make pennies an hour ? California/Texas rolling blackouts anyone?????
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 Not sure what point you're trying to make but I gather you don't like electric vehicles. I have both an electric bike (Zero FXS) and a gas bike (Ninja 400). Zero is for commuting and short (
FWIW, I have a Rivian and including 300 mile trips I haven’t had to charge publicly since I got it minus a trip to orlando(10 hr drive) where i had to charge 2 times, once while I used the bathroom and grabbed a soda, then left, the other I grabbed food and charged while I ate, then left. So in reality , charging cost me zero time. So 99% of my charging has been at home, which is pretty convenient, tbh. For motorcycles I’ll miss the sound but also my ears will probably thank me when I’m older.
yep! that's the misunderstanding of charging with electrics that people miss - you can be quite productive while you 'wait'. I think people underestimate how much time they actually spend at the pump normally. 20-30 minutes, especially on road trips depending on circumstances.
OC: Chase, I think something you should REALLY beg these manufacturers for, is hot swap battery stations. A standardized battery pack with stations would truly change how people view electric motorcycles. You could accept lower range if you could easily turn in your battery for a charged one. Stations could show how many they have charged on hand so you could plan group rides and stops. You could carry a spare, possibly. I use a Sur Aron to commute 30 miles every day and I have zero complaints. I can go easy on it and do the full commute. Or I can rip full speed if I charge at work. I absolutely love electric and know the weaknesses. The benefits outright the cost all day. I can rip a dank nooner in my neighborhood at midnight and nobody has a clue I did it.
@@ShaleAudio That unsold me even more than I was! EVs just are not there yet AT ALL! IC vehicles are finally nearing the pinnacle of development....SO SO good! EV falls WAY short nearly everywhere but noise....well I mean unless saving money on fuel is a huge thing but people unless commuters dont tend to buy premium price motorcycles for anything but pleasure so fuel expense is not a huge deal on high priced bikes. I can see a market for lower priced lower powered commuters but that is not this one
@@dougiequick1 I ride an SR that is 0-60 in close to 3 seconds with no distractions from clutch or shifter and allows me to immerse myself in the ride. Unfortunately it is not a one size fits all situation, but with rides and home, work, outlets within 70 miles I have never suffered range anxiety or the need to fill-up except on the weekends when I really wanted to cruise. The experience is unique but limited when compared to their longer riding brethren, but it has its place.
It definitely looks like a great bike. Once they get the total range over 200 miles in the real world situation, I think it will be a great option. I'm not sure why they chose to put the charging plug on top of the fake gas tank. I think it would be a much better location on the left side of the motorcycle somewhere around that fake tank on the side of the motorcycle so the hose isn't in an awkward plug in position.
Look, most rides are well under the range of a Livewire. I just bought one and I like it. I have found it interesting how many charge stations are available in my part of the state. Including rural towns. *** why don’t you recharge at work when you get back ? This is an absurd example of riding
The thing is- Gas and emmisions aren't really factors motorcyclists think about. And for 30,000$, it's not saving you any money by any stretch. May as well just buy a regular motorcycle, plus an almost new car for that price....
I’d just miss the sound of the engine, if not to add to the experience but safety, the number of times I’ve had a car pull out and pull back in when they heard my exhaust 😅
Outside of torque, electric motorcycle are everything bike riders don’t want. Charge times, quiet, heavy..... pass. Save the electric for the appliance of a car you commute in. People who spend 5k,10k,15k, 20k on a motorcycle can afford gas - and people who can’t afford gas can’t afford an electric motorcycle.......
Not so sure about that. I have a 20k+ bike but I worked hard and saved money to be able to buy it. I have a middle income job and elevated gas prices definitely have lessened my urge to ride my bike. I live in Finland and the current gas price for premium fuel is around 2,68€ per litre, which is roughly 12,96 dollars per gallon.
Look up the anti right to repair practices of Zero motorcycle. IDK about Enegica but Zero is straight up anti motorcycle culture of repair/maintain it yourself
@@AuRowe You basically need to be an electrician to work on half the shit on those bikes. They probably had an incident and don't want to deal with it. I don't support that whatsoever. But I can sorta get why they're behind it.
@@Bwillev that's a lie though, working on batteries is not nearly as dangerous as the EV makers are claiming. Onewheel is doing the same "brick the device if battery removed, for your safety, must send into manufacturer to reset" crap even though people can rebuild the cells virtually with their eyes closed. EV's are actually far simpler than ICE's. I have rebuilt my 55 mph e-scooter and am horrible with mechanics normally. You gotta watch the Louis Rossman on Zero motorcycles. Yes there is a huge risk of shock or fire if you reverse polarities or somehow douse the battery in water but other than being an idiot these are by no means difficult or riskier than ICE's to work on👍
I saw a Zero Motorcycle at a car show. I am doing research now on Zero and Livewire. There is one other electric motorcycle manufacturer but I forget who. We own an R1T, Ioniq 6 and Chevy Impala. We just sold our Diesel Sprinter Mercedes work van and our 2001 F150. We have never owned a motorcycle but I get a lot of questions about electric motorcycles at ICE/EV Cars and Coffees and electric car shows. Thank you for this content.
So, I used to have an Energica Ego= with about 13-14 kwh battery, and to put about 11 kwh cost me about $5-$6 using Electrify america and paying the $5 monthly subscription that lowers the price (but I also have an electric car, so.... if you fill the bike 2 or 3 times, it makes up for it. I'd love to get this bike! Its on a different league than the Zero bikes, and cheaper than the Energicas. One good thing I used to do on the Ego was to go about 60-70 miles away to a coffee shop or restaurant, and leave bike charging while I grabbed brunch or lunch or dinner or something. Chase: TRY THE ENERGICAS!!!!!!! ALSO, i DO HAVE A CAR (kIA ev6) AND WITH THAT, i never FILL PAST 80%, MOST TIMES EVEN ON ROAD TRIPS i GO FROM LIKE, 5 TO 50-60% AND GO QUICKLY TO NEXT CHARGERS. reMEMBER THAT BATTERIES CHARGE FASTEST BETWEEN (USUALLY) 10-80%, foR EXAMPLE, MY CAR WILL DO 0-80 IN ABOUT 22 MINUTES, BUT WILL TAKE ANOTHER 30 MINUTES OR MORE TO DO 80%-100% SO YOU RARELY FILL TO 100% ON THEM. i PROBABLY COULD GO ALL ELECTRIC: gOT THE ev6 AS DAILY DRIVER CAR, GET A ktm fREERIDE e-xc AS A DIRT BIKE (ENDURO/CROSS COUNTRY TYPE BIKE) AND lIVEWIRE FOR COMMUTE AND SOME FUN RIDING ON WEEKENDS? (ALSO, TRACKS ARE ADDING FAST CHARGERS B/C TAKING evS TO TRACK DAYS IS BECOMING MORE COMMON TOO.
The fast charger does NOT use a J1772 plug as stated in the video, it uses a CCS plug. The J1772 is what you would use at home without the two bottom pins.
Oc: impossible, i live in rural southern oregon. The roads are absolutely beautiful around here. My road to town is probably more twisty then some have in their state. That being said im 110 miles from a “larger” city and buy larger i mean 80k lol there is 1 charging station there at a target. If im doing math right the range on the livewire is about 100 miles. Thats a short ride here in oregon. Most time we go out for a ride its 150-200 miles
I owned a Harley Livewire for about a year. The bike's biggest downsides were the size and no active cooling on the batteries. You can only charge the bike at L1 or L3, not including a level 2 charger was a big mistake. The overall size of the bike felt to me like riding a 75% sized bike. It would be great for a smaller rider, but for the 6" and over crowd the bike is just too crunched up. EV is the future, however I won't purchase another EV motorcycle until they start actively cooling the batteries.
Yup a battery coolant pump should be standard. And a heat exchanger of some sort, and electric fans for the exchanger for ALL electric Battery driven motorcycles.
Hey Jim. So I just purchased a 2020 Livewire last Friday and so far, I am loving it. I have bee doing a 50 mile commute every morning and evening all week long. I am 6'7 tall and though it is cramped, so is my Ducati 848 and Mv Agusta F4. I guess I am just used to cramped bikes so the ELW is no issue for me. I want to ask you about the active cooling on the batteries? Is this something that you experienced reliability issues with? I have been riding in 100 degree traffic all week and have not seen any sort of overheating messages. Is there something I need to look out for? Thank you for the insight, Jim!
@@rianlocadia5425 I'm certainly used to larger bikes, as my current daily rider is a V4 Pikes Peak. Although the bike is physically small even when you park it next to something like a Ducati Scrambler or Monster. Everyone's ergo preferences are different, I just felt the rider's triangle was way too aggressive for a standard class bike. Regarding battery cooling, it is for pack longevity and more importantly for DC fast charging. The 3 things that kill EV batteries are over charge states, under charge states, and heat. There is enough space on the bike for active cooling, and it would have helped the longevity of the pack considerably. It also lets you fast charge without risk to the battery when you are actively cooling the pack. Look at Ducati's EV the V21L. They are using active cooling for the battery and the motor.
@@jvtaylor3 So when you do a level 3 fast charge, does that put the most stress/heat on the EV battery? what about sitting in hot traffic? Is that bad as well?
@@jvtaylor3 I wonder if this is something that could be installed by the owner? Although at the current asking price I think the mfg could easily afford to come up with a solution on future models.
OC: The switch to all electric motorcycling would literally zap most of my joys when it comes to motorcycling. I appreciate that they’re an alternative, but they’re not for me in the least bit at this point in time.
exacty ....well until they get the power WAY up and the weight WAY down and AT LEAST give us 250miles of HARD honest riding / day .....THEN I will trade.....but not until
If that is currently free you just know the week after you buy one that they will say "no more employee free charging....we are installing metered spots for you)
OC: We are no where NEER having a full EV society. The strip-mines for getting the lithium is worse on the environment then what cars/bikes put out. Our batteries aren't efficient enough or last long enough to make them worth while yet. You can't just pull a EV battery from the salvage yard and fix your car/truck/bike. In most cases you'll total the vehicle when the battery is dead. It's just too expensive to replace that large of a battery compared to the value of the vehicle. Now, if we were able to make more long lasting, more powerful, smaller batteries and; have a consistent, reliable, and efficient way of mining the Kuiper belt and other asteroids in our solar system then maybe it would actually be the right move. Until then, I'm not for it. We're just not there yet with range, longevity, and efficiency, or charge time. It takes way too long to recharge as opposed to filling up gas. Also, I did like how the Livewire rode. I did a demo day on one and it was very similar in feel to my FZ-09 in that it handled very similar and have had a similar power feel. It was fun but definitely more of a city short trip kind of bike.
It doesn't matter,EU wannabe dictators want to force us EVs no matter what and the rest of the world is following right behind,I predict a worldwide electricity/supply chain crisis by the late 2020's-early 2030's,this will be our next big problem like the pandemic.
OC: An electric bike makes the most sense for me, since I rarely travel more than 50 miles in a stint unless I'm haunting backroads, plus my commute is very short and my job has charging stations. But the price of an electric bike is too damn high. $23k!? I'd rather get a Pan Am if I'm shelling out that much
one of the main factors when buying my naked bike was finding one with the classic four cylinder sound. I personally want nothing to do with a EV. i prefer the sound vibrations and feel of a big v8 in my car.. and watching the needle on my big tach on my bike
They sound fun and great and all. But the giant push for everyone to go ev is 🤮. Deep down in the end I feel like they have a overall worse impact on the environment. No hate towards you chase 😊
to completely debunk one of your points... you dont have to run a gas tank to empty, and you dont need to fill it to full. Its no different for the electric.
It's quite rare to ride until empty and charge to full, depending on the charging infrastructure where you're riding. The secret to traveling long distances on electric motorcycles is to take advantage of the faster charging cycles between 20-80%. Some stops are 10 minutes, some 30, and others 40. I did a 2500 mile tour in May '22 and there were very few stops when I had to charge all the way to 100%
too little range for me, im starting to think a big heavy cruiser like a goldwing or Harley platform to carry bigger batteries would be appealing, 250 to 300 mile range would be perfect for me but im sure the price would end up being astronomical though 😵
live right outside of redtop, i love that place to go for a nice relaxing ride. The side roads are great for exploring and checking out lake Allatoona, you need to take something fun out to Brushy Mountain Rd about 30 minutes from there.
You must be joking as I don’t consider around 100 mile range viable for real use. On a typical day I ride down to my buddies house which is 57 miles. He is waiting for me as we plan to up into the mountains. Typically we will ride for 2 or 3 hours and stop lunch. Then ride back to his house, then on to my house. I would need to recharge 5 or 6 times. There are not any charging stations and if there were I would be sitting around for 6 hours charging. I would be better off with a good bicycle as it is much easier to push up a hill. What your electric motorcycle is a city boy toy at best.
OC: I live in a small town, so making the switch completely isn't possible for me. Next to zero charging stations. And the ones we do have are in places I normally wouldn't spend much of my time. Which means any EV bike I get is purely going to be a to and from work Rider or a short commute Rider. With that said I could totally run an EV as a second bike. I'd run that one to and from work everyday and for quick rides on the weekends. That alone would save me nearly two to three hundred dollars a month in gas. Then I can hop on my loud obnoxious gas guzzling Raider and go on some nice long comfortable cruises.
Rode a demo event at the Rock Store in California....bike is great...price needs to drop to 16-17k , 22k price without electronic or decent suspension???...otherwise v2 verssion in the future if the company survives
Yea let’s charge it for an hour….. go to a town with a ev charger near the mountain charge for an hour….. go ride the mountain……. Come back to that town charge for an hour…… go home charge The only way this is even doable is if they can do quick charging
The solution to give you many miles of freedom on open roads and not having to worry about running out of electric juice is to have a carrier installed then you could bring along a Honda portable generator and a Jerry can of gas...Voila👌
The livewire was cool and I was looking forward to it back when it came out and they proposed the price to be something like 15k (about 19ish euros here). It came out and its roughly 38k euros here. Now it even became its own brand, ditching the harley davidsoness of the machine totally away. Now I dont really want it anymore. Plus the range is bad, my 48 is bad, but takes only few moments to fuel it, but an hour!? jeez.
Depending on how far you're traveling between chargers, it's unlikely you'll be stopping a full empty and charging to full. The secret to riding electric motorcycles (at least ones with DC fast charging) is to charge enough to the next destination. Some stops are 10 minutes, others are 30-40, very few are an hour. I did a 2500 mile tour on my LiveWire, and there were only a couple times I had to stop for an hour to charge fully.
@@AdventuresonZero who wants to baby the throttle and nurse range out of a vehicle?! ....damn I have been behind several teslas on mountain pass through (no passing all the way through!) and they are just going so ridiculously SLOW I assume trying to nurse range .....I just want to scream at em! They can afford the expense but then they get all weird about making their numbers? Or are they honestly afraid they wont make it? idk ...first time I thought it was a fluke but it has happned several times now.... they have become the new VW (old) vans you hated to get stuck behind in the mountains
@@dougiequick1 you should buy one for yourself and see what the experience is like. It’s not about baby’ing the throttle, just being efficient with throttle - it’s the same application for an ICE vehicle to get the most out of range
I would love one of this bike but tbh if is not sound is nothing the design is fantastic amazing is look very nice but no sound is nothing make same like this one but to have sound and I am definitely buy one 😉
With the talk of spending some time doing Pokémon, or enjoying time with nature, just imagine that time NOT in the nice sunny day of spring or so. How about that hour or so in winter, or in the rain, or freezing rain? Maybe a just simply cold and windy? How does that hour sound verses a couple minutes? Yes you will pay more, but you still go further and less time filling up with gas. Until they can make batteries have similar range and time to fill up as gas, electric is not up to the task of propelling our lives.
Just ordered by first bike, and it's an Onyx RCR electric cafe racer moped. First mod is upgrading the battery to get more range. Only 20 miles on sport mode. The battery I'm upgrading to will make it go 70 miles in Sport, and just over 200 in eco. The second mod is upgrading the motor so it can go 18-ish peak horsepower. Just barely less HP than a Grom at the moment, but apparently the torque is more comparable to a Ninja H2. I can ride it to work, pull the battery out, and charge it in my department. My next bike will be a Xion Cyber X electric moped/dirt bike. Unlike most other Emopeds it can be converted to a true SM with normal motorcycle parts, and gets more range than the Zero FXE super moto, and the dual sport.
I have no problem with the idea of electric motorcycles. Not my speed but to each their own. I will only have a problem if govt starts regulating in a way where standard motorcycles are no longer legal on the road and or sold by manufacturers etc. As long as there is still a choice the more riders the merrier I fully support any expansion on the culture but reject restrictions with extreme prejudice (a lil bit of drama but still mean every word)
I noticed in your video you used extension cords to charge the bike. Doesn't it say not to charge your bike with extension cord or has there since been update to allow use of extension cords ?
Only thing is the range on these electric motors is still pretty poor. They are great for running errands around town, but any distance greater than 30 miles you are gonna want a combustion engine to get you there without wasting hours to re-charge.
I'm excited about the prospect, but the battery life and charging infrastructure just isn't there yet. That said, electric bikes are *amazing* to ride and I look forward to the next generation to see what they offer. Great video, keep em coming!
OC. This isn't the time to go electric. Aside from the initial cost being outside most peoples' budget, the infrastructure for recharging does not exist. There are not enough stations when out on the road and the power supply would be diminished when being charged at home overnight. When you pull into a station with a ICE vehicle, even if all the pumps are in use, you know you will have a 5-10 minute wait to get an available pump. Refill your vehicle for, say 10 minutes, then you can continue on your journey. The same scenario with a EV vehicle, even if you were lucky to get a recharge point within the same 5-10 minutes, you then have to recharge for a lot longer than 10 minutes to maximise your range. Every example of home charging shows how easy it is to recharge. What about the homes with multiple cars? Regarding the cabling and recharge points, how will recharging take place in apartment blocks and office/factory parking? How will the power companies deal with supplying power to charity ride events or rallies? Touring on EV bikes would need recalculating- daily range and mileage would be decreased due to time spent recharging. If we all went EV, power companies will raise the price of recharging which negates the claim of price advantages against ICE. If you want, you can buy a EV bike for commuting and short rides. But the chances are you already own a ICE bike that does that already- with the bonus that if you wanted to, you can go further afield without wasting time at stations recharging.
OC - Can someone who is better than me at math do the figuring? At roughly $24k after TT&L, and factoring in average electricity prices, how likely is it that you ever “break even” in any sense of the term with proper consideration given to the battery bank’s expected life span? Also, I believe a typical 5-year finance term and its subject interest rate should be considered in this calculation with respect to how the battery bank’s life expectancy affects the potential of “getting your money’s worth” when compared to a gas-powered bike that retails for literally half the cost of the Livewire One. Any takers?
Your $24,000, out the door cost LW is say $14,000 over Will8635's suggested $10,000 ICE bike getting 50mpg. At $5 a gallon, $14,000 is 2800 gallons or 140,000 miles at 50mpg. I somehow doubt many ride that many miles in 5 or even 10 years. A fill-up for the LW is say $1.50 vs $7.50 for an equivalent distance (1.5 gal at 50mpg) in gasoline. A $6.00 difference for equivalent mileage. Fast charging will narrow that cost difference with its added costs. Gas prices returning to what they were before the regime of idiots seized power would drop that difference further. I doubt owners would actually see the benefits. If a battery replacement has to happen before reaching that mileage high you'd have another huge chunk of money spent that an ICE bike could go another great distance on. The LiveWire One as they call it now and the LiveWire S2 Del Mar look like they could be fun to ride but definitely an expensive toy more than a useful commuter.
Lol seriously. It seems my old hornet 600 is not only more efficient in relation to the fuel it holds, but even with today's gas prices I fill up for about $12 Pass
City riding only? Who wants to ride an expensive, low range, bike in city traffic? Thought you ride a bike to enjoy yourself and not having a fear of running out of power. Would make sense once the range increases. And there's no roofs at charging stations I've seen. Wish electrical bike luck in the future.
I just can’t do it, I like to jump on and go. By the time my bikes are on E I need to stretch take a piss and then go back at it. Charging station are not common like a gas station. Besides all that I spent an insane amount of money making my V4 exhaust sound like noise porn, which is awesome 😎
Umm. It costs more like 9 cents per kilowatt hour. The bike has 14-17 kwh. That would cost you $1.26-$1.53. Still a great deal compared to gas most of the time. But it's not nine cents. Also I'm not sure where in the US is only 9 cents for a kWh, that's a great deal as well. It's around 12-13 cents in Oregon.
Bike caps out at 13.6kW nominal. Cost is entirely dependent on the region. Electrify America has the best pricing in my area, usually costs $4-5 to top up from empty. My region here in Virginia is only .08 cents per kWH. I believe he's referring to the cost per 'gallon' to fill up
Not exactly true. The efficient way to travel with an electric is not to ride to completely empty and then charge to completely full. In most instances I've experienced very little 'sitting around' while charging. By the time I'm done hitting the head, grabbing a coffee, or exploring the local area - I'm ready to get back on the road. The experience is only as dull as you allow it to be. You're right though, it's not as fast as filling up at the petrol pump - it's just a different experience altogether.
3 seasons on my Livewire love it
It'll be one week tomorrow on mine and it is fantastic!
Hell yeah!
The very first LiveWire prototypes had the sound of F-16 jets , not sure why Harley did not keep the unique feature !
I don't have any personal interest in purchasing an electric bike, but I gotta admit I find them fascinating.
Not to nitpick, it's definitely waaaay cheaper to fuel an electric vehicle than a gas. However, the Livewire One has a 13.6kWh battery. Avg electricity rates in Georgia are 9.9 cents per kWh. So it costs $1.35 to "fill up". Maybe whatever you are referring to was referring to the per kWh rate.
Man I was just about to do the math for him 🤣
@nismo510 Exactly, I have a model 3 and solar. I'd get an electric bike too if it had more range, but I typically put in about 150-200 semi-aggressive miles when I ride. They need to triple the mileage before I can get one. Or maybe charge 1/3 and I'd get one just for the heck of it.
It's not about how much money we need to fill up a tank. It's about how much range we are getting for the money.
Towing costs though when I get stranded.
I put down alot of miles, and when I'm not commuting I'll just go ride around, get something to eat.
It'll ruin your chances go actually enjoy the bike cause I can't just go get lost on the road and find a gas station trying to get home
@nismo510 Where do they hand out those free solar panels, inverters, etc. and even install it all for free?
Dude, you are a great presenter of info. Great voice, clarity and vocabulary. All content is better when done well.Thank you.
Done it. Bought a Zero DSR with charge tank. But the Livewire is faster at charging, has slightly better range, easier to use dashboard, has much better regen, so I plan to switch to it or the Energica.
It's such a zen like experience on a silent bike and you can actually see and feel and smell the nature.
I'm sorry Chase, but there is no way that only costs 9 cents to charge. Unless Georgia has the cheapest electricity rates ever lol. That battery is 15.5 kilowatts. My battery on my zero fxs is half that size at 7.2 kilowatts and costs about 62 cents to charge based on my electricity rates here in Colorado. So your actual cost to charge at home is probably closer to $1.20 to $1.50. Which is still far better than your other motorcycles.
Yep
I'm not a Harley Davidson fans or a fan of electric vehicles, but I always say if there is an electric bike I choose, I pick the
Livewire. Also love the videography were you put the camera in the bushes.
Seems like the most viable pick rn for sure. Imma test ride one, but it's like when I feel like it's going to a crap restaurant just to see how bad.
Haha, I've been surprised before though. Can it give me the fizz like an RC8R though? Probably not man I'm riding on high quality steak dinners here man
My commute to and from work would easily fit in a Single charge. But I'd also top off at work.
Blood mountain is a great ride 💪
I love how you refered to Pokemon as Pocket Monsters, tribute to the proper japanese name
Once everyone is electric, electricity cost will be ten times what it is today
Pretty sure most people don’t think about this lol
Just like diesel did a over decade ago
That's not accurate. It will take 30+ years for everyone to go electric. And it won't be 10x. Maybe double or triple. With inflation everything will be 2-3x. Also, you can create your own electricity with solar. Everyone uses gas right now and you know high how gas prices are. If you consider inflation gas is not even 2x what it was any time in the recent past.
Pretty sure you won't be able to afford ur electric bill and still have to pay for gas on top of that if that where to be the case
No, not with the expansion of solor farms and wind. Maybe double though in about 20 or so years.
14kwh x $0.12 = $1.68 ---- The Livewire has a 15.5kwh battery with 14kwh nominal usage. That's about $1.68 USD to charge from 0-100%.
So it can charge when it’s convenient ( overnight/food/etc) because what’s your time worth ? Do you make pennies an hour ? California/Texas rolling blackouts anyone?????
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 Not sure what point you're trying to make but I gather you don't like electric vehicles. I have both an electric bike (Zero FXS) and a gas bike (Ninja 400). Zero is for commuting and short (
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 dont you think the blackouts are the problem?
OC: these shifted episodes are legit.
im glad you didnt get the range anxiety like you wid with motonosity and Dan, but man that was a good laugh lol
FWIW, I have a Rivian and including 300 mile trips I haven’t had to charge publicly since I got it minus a trip to orlando(10 hr drive) where i had to charge 2 times, once while I used the bathroom and grabbed a soda, then left, the other I grabbed food and charged while I ate, then left. So in reality , charging cost me zero time. So 99% of my charging has been at home, which is pretty convenient, tbh. For motorcycles I’ll miss the sound but also my ears will probably thank me when I’m older.
(Also, great review!)
yep! that's the misunderstanding of charging with electrics that people miss - you can be quite productive while you 'wait'. I think people underestimate how much time they actually spend at the pump normally. 20-30 minutes, especially on road trips depending on circumstances.
OC: Chase, I think something you should REALLY beg these manufacturers for, is hot swap battery stations. A standardized battery pack with stations would truly change how people view electric motorcycles. You could accept lower range if you could easily turn in your battery for a charged one. Stations could show how many they have charged on hand so you could plan group rides and stops. You could carry a spare, possibly.
I use a Sur Aron to commute 30 miles every day and I have zero complaints. I can go easy on it and do the full commute. Or I can rip full speed if I charge at work. I absolutely love electric and know the weaknesses. The benefits outright the cost all day.
I can rip a dank nooner in my neighborhood at midnight and nobody has a clue I did it.
Hot swap 200lb battery that can be disconnected easily with 100v DC, enough to easily kill you?
@@ShaleAudio That unsold me even more than I was! EVs just are not there yet AT ALL! IC vehicles are finally nearing the pinnacle of development....SO SO good! EV falls WAY short nearly everywhere but noise....well I mean unless saving money on fuel is a huge thing but people unless commuters dont tend to buy premium price motorcycles for anything but pleasure so fuel expense is not a huge deal on high priced bikes. I can see a market for lower priced lower powered commuters but that is not this one
@@dougiequick1 I ride an SR that is 0-60 in close to 3 seconds with no distractions from clutch or shifter and allows me to immerse myself in the ride. Unfortunately it is not a one size fits all situation, but with rides and home, work, outlets within 70 miles I have never suffered range anxiety or the need to fill-up except on the weekends when I really wanted to cruise. The experience is unique but limited when compared to their longer riding brethren, but it has its place.
The quick charge while being pricey, is still in line with the cost of gas.
It definitely looks like a great bike. Once they get the total range over 200 miles in the real world situation, I think it will be a great option. I'm not sure why they chose to put the charging plug on top of the fake gas tank. I think it would be a much better location on the left side of the motorcycle somewhere around that fake tank on the side of the motorcycle so the hose isn't in an awkward plug in position.
They should just get rid of the fake tank and put in a coffee table instead
Look, most rides are well under the range of a Livewire. I just bought one and I like it. I have found it interesting how many charge stations are available in my part of the state. Including rural towns.
*** why don’t you recharge at work when you get back ? This is an absurd example of riding
The thing is- Gas and emmisions aren't really factors motorcyclists think about. And for 30,000$, it's not saving you any money by any stretch. May as well just buy a regular motorcycle, plus an almost new car for that price....
I’d just miss the sound of the engine, if not to add to the experience but safety, the number of times I’ve had a car pull out and pull back in when they heard my exhaust 😅
Just have to install stereo with big ass speakers and make your own noise ...of course that will eat even more into the already SUCKY range
Outside of torque, electric motorcycle are everything bike riders don’t want. Charge times, quiet, heavy..... pass. Save the electric for the appliance of a car you commute in. People who spend 5k,10k,15k, 20k on a motorcycle can afford gas - and people who can’t afford gas can’t afford an electric motorcycle.......
Cooling and charge times are all I'm waiting for. These electric bikes are incredible. If you can time a charge for lunch, it's borderline perfection.
Not so sure about that. I have a 20k+ bike but I worked hard and saved money to be able to buy it. I have a middle income job and elevated gas prices definitely have lessened my urge to ride my bike. I live in Finland and the current gas price for premium fuel is around 2,68€ per litre, which is roughly 12,96 dollars per gallon.
Look up the anti right to repair practices of Zero motorcycle. IDK about Enegica but Zero is straight up anti motorcycle culture of repair/maintain it yourself
@@AuRowe You basically need to be an electrician to work on half the shit on those bikes. They probably had an incident and don't want to deal with it.
I don't support that whatsoever. But I can sorta get why they're behind it.
@@Bwillev that's a lie though, working on batteries is not nearly as dangerous as the EV makers are claiming. Onewheel is doing the same "brick the device if battery removed, for your safety, must send into manufacturer to reset" crap even though people can rebuild the cells virtually with their eyes closed. EV's are actually far simpler than ICE's. I have rebuilt my 55 mph e-scooter and am horrible with mechanics normally. You gotta watch the Louis Rossman on Zero motorcycles. Yes there is a huge risk of shock or fire if you reverse polarities or somehow douse the battery in water but other than being an idiot these are by no means difficult or riskier than ICE's to work on👍
Who Else thought this Video was TOO LONG❓❓
I just FORWARDED IT TO THE END to get the Answers I needed 😂🤣
long way to go
I saw a Zero Motorcycle at a car show. I am doing research now on Zero and Livewire. There is one other electric motorcycle manufacturer but I forget who. We own an R1T, Ioniq 6 and Chevy Impala. We just sold our Diesel Sprinter Mercedes work van and our 2001 F150. We have never owned a motorcycle but I get a lot of questions about electric motorcycles at ICE/EV Cars and Coffees and electric car shows. Thank you for this content.
Energica
OC: Looking fwd to a longer range before I make a full switch. Def an EV is a great option for a 2nd vehicle at this point
So, I used to have an Energica Ego= with about 13-14 kwh battery, and to put about 11 kwh cost me about $5-$6 using Electrify america and paying the $5 monthly subscription that lowers the price (but I also have an electric car, so.... if you fill the bike 2 or 3 times, it makes up for it. I'd love to get this bike! Its on a different league than the Zero bikes, and cheaper than the Energicas.
One good thing I used to do on the Ego was to go about 60-70 miles away to a coffee shop or restaurant, and leave bike charging while I grabbed brunch or lunch or dinner or something.
Chase: TRY THE ENERGICAS!!!!!!!
ALSO, i DO HAVE A CAR (kIA ev6) AND WITH THAT, i never FILL PAST 80%, MOST TIMES EVEN ON ROAD TRIPS i GO FROM LIKE, 5 TO 50-60% AND GO QUICKLY TO NEXT CHARGERS. reMEMBER THAT BATTERIES CHARGE FASTEST BETWEEN (USUALLY) 10-80%, foR EXAMPLE, MY CAR WILL DO 0-80 IN ABOUT 22 MINUTES, BUT WILL TAKE ANOTHER 30 MINUTES OR MORE TO DO 80%-100% SO YOU RARELY FILL TO 100% ON THEM.
i PROBABLY COULD GO ALL ELECTRIC: gOT THE ev6 AS DAILY DRIVER CAR, GET A ktm fREERIDE e-xc AS A DIRT BIKE (ENDURO/CROSS COUNTRY TYPE BIKE) AND lIVEWIRE FOR COMMUTE AND SOME FUN RIDING ON WEEKENDS? (ALSO, TRACKS ARE ADDING FAST CHARGERS B/C TAKING evS TO TRACK DAYS IS BECOMING MORE COMMON TOO.
The fast charger does NOT use a J1772 plug as stated in the video, it uses a CCS plug. The J1772 is what you would use at home without the two bottom pins.
I was waiting for the deer to jump in front of him
Oc: impossible, i live in rural southern oregon. The roads are absolutely beautiful around here. My road to town is probably more twisty then some have in their state.
That being said im 110 miles from a “larger” city and buy larger i mean 80k lol there is 1 charging station there at a target.
If im doing math right the range on the livewire is about 100 miles. Thats a short ride here in oregon. Most time we go out for a ride its 150-200 miles
You can buy a lot of gas for the 10k price premium.
I owned a Harley Livewire for about a year. The bike's biggest downsides were the size and no active cooling on the batteries. You can only charge the bike at L1 or L3, not including a level 2 charger was a big mistake.
The overall size of the bike felt to me like riding a 75% sized bike. It would be great for a smaller rider, but for the 6" and over crowd the bike is just too crunched up.
EV is the future, however I won't purchase another EV motorcycle until they start actively cooling the batteries.
Yup a battery coolant pump should be standard. And a heat exchanger of some sort, and electric fans for the exchanger for ALL electric Battery driven motorcycles.
Hey Jim. So I just purchased a 2020 Livewire last Friday and so far, I am loving it. I have bee doing a 50 mile commute every morning and evening all week long. I am 6'7 tall and though it is cramped, so is my Ducati 848 and Mv Agusta F4. I guess I am just used to cramped bikes so the ELW is no issue for me. I want to ask you about the active cooling on the batteries? Is this something that you experienced reliability issues with? I have been riding in 100 degree traffic all week and have not seen any sort of overheating messages. Is there something I need to look out for? Thank you for the insight, Jim!
@@rianlocadia5425 I'm certainly used to larger bikes, as my current daily rider is a V4 Pikes Peak. Although the bike is physically small even when you park it next to something like a Ducati Scrambler or Monster. Everyone's ergo preferences are different, I just felt the rider's triangle was way too aggressive for a standard class bike.
Regarding battery cooling, it is for pack longevity and more importantly for DC fast charging. The 3 things that kill EV batteries are over charge states, under charge states, and heat. There is enough space on the bike for active cooling, and it would have helped the longevity of the pack considerably. It also lets you fast charge without risk to the battery when you are actively cooling the pack. Look at Ducati's EV the V21L. They are using active cooling for the battery and the motor.
@@jvtaylor3 So when you do a level 3 fast charge, does that put the most stress/heat on the EV battery? what about sitting in hot traffic? Is that bad as well?
@@jvtaylor3 I wonder if this is something that could be installed by the owner? Although at the current asking price I think the mfg could easily afford to come up with a solution on future models.
OC: The switch to all electric motorcycling would literally zap most of my joys when it comes to motorcycling. I appreciate that they’re an alternative, but they’re not for me in the least bit at this point in time.
exacty ....well until they get the power WAY up and the weight WAY down and AT LEAST give us 250miles of HARD honest riding / day .....THEN I will trade.....but not until
City commuters at that price range do not exist… they need to speed up charging and build infrastructure… 🤣
This bike would be perfect for me because I work at a dealer and we have fast chargers everywhere
If that is currently free you just know the week after you buy one that they will say "no more employee free charging....we are installing metered spots for you)
Doesn’t Harley want like $20,000+ for these bikes. A lot better bikes for that type of money.
Closer to $30K. Ridiculous. and only 95 mile range on the freeway is a killer for me.
Nah. Sticking with gas powered bikes for a great number of reasons. Mostly just the feel, sound, and rider engagement.
OC: We are no where NEER having a full EV society. The strip-mines for getting the lithium is worse on the environment then what cars/bikes put out. Our batteries aren't efficient enough or last long enough to make them worth while yet. You can't just pull a EV battery from the salvage yard and fix your car/truck/bike. In most cases you'll total the vehicle when the battery is dead. It's just too expensive to replace that large of a battery compared to the value of the vehicle. Now, if we were able to make more long lasting, more powerful, smaller batteries and; have a consistent, reliable, and efficient way of mining the Kuiper belt and other asteroids in our solar system then maybe it would actually be the right move. Until then, I'm not for it. We're just not there yet with range, longevity, and efficiency, or charge time. It takes way too long to recharge as opposed to filling up gas.
Also, I did like how the Livewire rode. I did a demo day on one and it was very similar in feel to my FZ-09 in that it handled very similar and have had a similar power feel. It was fun but definitely more of a city short trip kind of bike.
It doesn't matter,EU wannabe dictators want to force us EVs no matter what and the rest of the world is following right behind,I predict a worldwide electricity/supply chain crisis by the late 2020's-early 2030's,this will be our next big problem like the pandemic.
OC: An electric bike makes the most sense for me, since I rarely travel more than 50 miles in a stint unless I'm haunting backroads, plus my commute is very short and my job has charging stations.
But the price of an electric bike is too damn high. $23k!? I'd rather get a Pan Am if I'm shelling out that much
define "electric bike". you can get a Sur Ron motocross style bike for $4k, does 50 mph and has about a 30+ mile range depending how you ride it.
Quietness = death
Yep, because there has never been an ICE bike that got wiped out by a cager
the reason I won’t get one any time soon is that I’ve never even seen any type of charging station in my area
When I go for a ride, i do it to feel the breeze, not to wait in line with angry Tesla drivers
one of the main factors when buying my naked bike was finding one with the classic four cylinder sound. I personally want nothing to do with a EV. i prefer the sound vibrations and feel of a big v8 in my car.. and watching the needle on my big tach on my bike
Just finished a 2500 mile tour on my Livewire
Just plan where to go and where to change. NewZeroland can ride all day on his Energica and a lady road a LW 500 miles in one day in the rain.
They sound fun and great and all. But the giant push for everyone to go ev is 🤮. Deep down in the end I feel like they have a overall worse impact on the environment. No hate towards you chase 😊
Yep, lots of precious metals to build batteries, then what do you do with them once they need replaced?
Didn’t know you were from Georgia, I subbed bro
As soon as we can get past slow charging and more access to charging stations I'm A-Ok with electric rides
It’s turning the motorcycle into an appliance - most have a motorcycle as a toy.
to completely debunk one of your points... you dont have to run a gas tank to empty, and you dont need to fill it to full. Its no different for the electric.
1 hour charge up? It was 103 degrees yesterday!!
It's quite rare to ride until empty and charge to full, depending on the charging infrastructure where you're riding. The secret to traveling long distances on electric motorcycles is to take advantage of the faster charging cycles between 20-80%. Some stops are 10 minutes, some 30, and others 40. I did a 2500 mile tour in May '22 and there were very few stops when I had to charge all the way to 100%
too little range for me, im starting to think a big heavy cruiser like a goldwing or Harley platform to carry bigger batteries would be appealing, 250 to 300 mile range would be perfect for me but im sure the price would end up being astronomical though 😵
live right outside of redtop, i love that place to go for a nice relaxing ride. The side roads are great for exploring and checking out lake Allatoona, you need to take something fun out to Brushy Mountain Rd about 30 minutes from there.
You must be joking as I don’t consider around 100 mile range viable for real use. On a typical day I ride down to my buddies house which is 57 miles. He is waiting for me as we plan to up into the mountains. Typically we will ride for 2 or 3 hours and stop lunch. Then ride back to his house, then on to my house. I would need to recharge 5 or 6 times. There are not any charging stations and if there were I would be sitting around for 6 hours charging. I would be better off with a good bicycle as it is much easier to push up a hill. What your electric motorcycle is a city boy toy at best.
AKF for an hour, That’s IF the charging station works and isn’t already in use.
Woooooo!!!!!
“Growing infrastructure of EV’s”
You guys need to hire me as a writer at this point, no disrespect intended.
Loud pipes saves lives? 🤔
I'll switch to electric when I can get a charge a quickly as a gas fill-up and as available as a gas station ;)
OC: I live in a small town, so making the switch completely isn't possible for me. Next to zero charging stations. And the ones we do have are in places I normally wouldn't spend much of my time. Which means any EV bike I get is purely going to be a to and from work Rider or a short commute Rider. With that said I could totally run an EV as a second bike. I'd run that one to and from work everyday and for quick rides on the weekends. That alone would save me nearly two to three hundred dollars a month in gas. Then I can hop on my loud obnoxious gas guzzling Raider and go on some nice long comfortable cruises.
While riding, I wanna feel connected to my bike, when I wanna connect with the environment I'll stop. And I cannot feel connected to a soulless whine.
Rode a demo event at the Rock Store in California....bike is great...price needs to drop to 16-17k , 22k price without electronic or decent suspension???...otherwise v2 verssion in the future if the company survives
Yea let’s charge it for an hour….. go to a town with a ev charger near the mountain charge for an hour….. go ride the mountain……. Come back to that town charge for an hour…… go home charge
The only way this is even doable is if they can do quick charging
Just purchased my 19th Harley-Davidson, a LiveWire 1 at Harley-Davidson LiveWire of Indianapolis.
The solution to give you many miles of freedom on open roads and not having to worry about running out of electric juice is to have a carrier installed then you could bring along a Honda portable generator and a Jerry can of gas...Voila👌
The livewire was cool and I was looking forward to it back when it came out and they proposed the price to be something like 15k (about 19ish euros here). It came out and its roughly 38k euros here. Now it even became its own brand, ditching the harley davidsoness of the machine totally away. Now I dont really want it anymore. Plus the range is bad, my 48 is bad, but takes only few moments to fuel it, but an hour!? jeez.
Depending on how far you're traveling between chargers, it's unlikely you'll be stopping a full empty and charging to full. The secret to riding electric motorcycles (at least ones with DC fast charging) is to charge enough to the next destination. Some stops are 10 minutes, others are 30-40, very few are an hour. I did a 2500 mile tour on my LiveWire, and there were only a couple times I had to stop for an hour to charge fully.
@@AdventuresonZero who wants to baby the throttle and nurse range out of a vehicle?! ....damn I have been behind several teslas on mountain pass through (no passing all the way through!) and they are just going so ridiculously SLOW I assume trying to nurse range .....I just want to scream at em! They can afford the expense but then they get all weird about making their numbers? Or are they honestly afraid they wont make it? idk ...first time I thought it was a fluke but it has happned several times now.... they have become the new VW (old) vans you hated to get stuck behind in the mountains
@@dougiequick1 you should buy one for yourself and see what the experience is like. It’s not about baby’ing the throttle, just being efficient with throttle - it’s the same application for an ICE vehicle to get the most out of range
Do you tape a couple of cards to the spokes, so you can sound like you have exhaust?
I usually just yell 'BRAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPP' in my helmet
I would love one of this bike but tbh if is not sound is nothing the design is fantastic amazing is look very nice but no sound is nothing make same like this one but to have sound and I am definitely buy one 😉
Why can’t Engineer put a alternator on them vehicles for it always be charged
With the talk of spending some time doing Pokémon, or enjoying time with nature, just imagine that time NOT in the nice sunny day of spring or so. How about that hour or so in winter, or in the rain, or freezing rain? Maybe a just simply cold and windy? How does that hour sound verses a couple minutes? Yes you will pay more, but you still go further and less time filling up with gas. Until they can make batteries have similar range and time to fill up as gas, electric is not up to the task of propelling our lives.
It looks Good I want it 😃
Just ordered by first bike, and it's an Onyx RCR electric cafe racer moped. First mod is upgrading the battery to get more range. Only 20 miles on sport mode. The battery I'm upgrading to will make it go 70 miles in Sport, and just over 200 in eco. The second mod is upgrading the motor so it can go 18-ish peak horsepower. Just barely less HP than a Grom at the moment, but apparently the torque is more comparable to a Ninja H2. I can ride it to work, pull the battery out, and charge it in my department.
My next bike will be a Xion Cyber X electric moped/dirt bike. Unlike most other Emopeds it can be converted to a true SM with normal motorcycle parts, and gets more range than the Zero FXE super moto, and the dual sport.
But most people forget, where do you think electricity comes from? Most comes from coal and nuclear power plants
Oc it would be tough for me for my long tours but I live very close to the foothills in Denver, so I could ride that ev up there.
I have no problem with the idea of electric motorcycles. Not my speed but to each their own. I will only have a problem if govt starts regulating in a way where standard motorcycles are no longer legal on the road and or sold by manufacturers etc. As long as there is still a choice the more riders the merrier I fully support any expansion on the culture but reject restrictions with extreme prejudice (a lil bit of drama but still mean every word)
I think that's looks gonna be better if use Sportster's lamp...
Heayy can you do a vid on one of the new 2022 ZERO BIKES
I noticed in your video you used extension cords to charge the bike. Doesn't it say not to charge your bike with extension cord or has there since been update to allow use of extension cords ?
it's recommended to not use an extension chord, however if you have a big enough gauge it's fine. I believe it's either 14 or 16ga
Only thing is the range on these electric motors is still pretty poor. They are great for running errands around town, but any distance greater than 30 miles you are gonna want a combustion engine to get you there without wasting hours to re-charge.
this has very little range compared to the energica ego rs which has an estimated 240 miles of range.
😂 Live wire for those who like to hear their labias flap in the breeze.
HAHAHAHA underrated comment.
Easier to flow the electrons than shovel the coal I suppose.
I'm excited about the prospect, but the battery life and charging infrastructure just isn't there yet. That said, electric bikes are *amazing* to ride and I look forward to the next generation to see what they offer. Great video, keep em coming!
OC. This isn't the time to go electric. Aside from the initial cost being outside most peoples' budget, the infrastructure for recharging does not exist. There are not enough stations when out on the road and the power supply would be diminished when being charged at home overnight.
When you pull into a station with a ICE vehicle, even if all the pumps are in use, you know you will have a 5-10 minute wait to get an available pump. Refill your vehicle for, say 10 minutes, then you can continue on your journey. The same scenario with a EV vehicle, even if you were lucky to get a recharge point within the same 5-10 minutes, you then have to recharge for a lot longer than 10 minutes to maximise your range.
Every example of home charging shows how easy it is to recharge. What about the homes with multiple cars? Regarding the cabling and recharge points, how will recharging take place in apartment blocks and office/factory parking?
How will the power companies deal with supplying power to charity ride events or rallies? Touring on EV bikes would need recalculating- daily range and mileage would be decreased due to time spent recharging. If we all went EV, power companies will raise the price of recharging which negates the claim of price advantages against ICE.
If you want, you can buy a EV bike for commuting and short rides. But the chances are you already own a ICE bike that does that already- with the bonus that if you wanted to, you can go further afield without wasting time at stations recharging.
OC - Can someone who is better than me at math do the figuring? At roughly $24k after TT&L, and factoring in average electricity prices, how likely is it that you ever “break even” in any sense of the term with proper consideration given to the battery bank’s expected life span? Also, I believe a typical 5-year finance term and its subject interest rate should be considered in this calculation with respect to how the battery bank’s life expectancy affects the potential of “getting your money’s worth” when compared to a gas-powered bike that retails for literally half the cost of the Livewire One. Any takers?
Your $24,000, out the door cost LW is say $14,000 over Will8635's suggested $10,000 ICE bike getting 50mpg. At $5 a gallon, $14,000 is 2800 gallons or 140,000 miles at 50mpg. I somehow doubt many ride that many miles in 5 or even 10 years. A fill-up for the LW is say $1.50 vs $7.50 for an equivalent distance (1.5 gal at 50mpg) in gasoline. A $6.00 difference for equivalent mileage. Fast charging will narrow that cost difference with its added costs. Gas prices returning to what they were before the regime of idiots seized power would drop that difference further. I doubt owners would actually see the benefits. If a battery replacement has to happen before reaching that mileage high you'd have another huge chunk of money spent that an ICE bike could go another great distance on. The LiveWire One as they call it now and the LiveWire S2 Del Mar look like they could be fun to ride but definitely an expensive toy more than a useful commuter.
What's the point of having cake if you don't eat it? 🤔
14 bux for a full charge?
How is that cheaper than gas?
Lol seriously. It seems my old hornet 600 is not only more efficient in relation to the fuel it holds, but even with today's gas prices I fill up for about $12
Pass
It’s different in each state and charging network. From 0 to 100% is about $4.50 here in VA for my Livewire
Besides the bike, The helmet looks good! is it Ruroc? If so, how is the comfort and noise. 1/10 on both…
My uncle spent 25k on a zero n it’s awesome tbh
1st comment - Need a hybrid Gas/Battery MC. Still lov-n my 2015 FZ-07
City riding only? Who wants to ride an expensive, low range, bike in city traffic? Thought you ride a bike to enjoy yourself and not having a fear of running out of power. Would make sense once the range increases. And there's no roofs at charging stations I've seen. Wish electrical bike luck in the future.
Might need to check those numbers chase.. not getting much electricity from 9 cents I’m sure not a full charge anyways 🙄
I just can’t do it, I like to jump on and go. By the time my bikes are on E I need to stretch take a piss and then go back at it. Charging station are not common like a gas station. Besides all that I spent an insane amount of money making my V4 exhaust sound like noise porn, which is awesome 😎
There is a video in your ad
Umm. It costs more like 9 cents per kilowatt hour. The bike has 14-17 kwh. That would cost you $1.26-$1.53. Still a great deal compared to gas most of the time. But it's not nine cents. Also I'm not sure where in the US is only 9 cents for a kWh, that's a great deal as well. It's around 12-13 cents in Oregon.
Bike caps out at 13.6kW nominal. Cost is entirely dependent on the region. Electrify America has the best pricing in my area, usually costs $4-5 to top up from empty. My region here in Virginia is only .08 cents per kWH. I believe he's referring to the cost per 'gallon' to fill up
Who doesn't have 5.00 dollars guys freak
The price and lack of being able to switch gears . Is what is keeping me from getting an electric moto..
23$ to fill up the tracer? Must be nice being free :3
23$ in Greece doesn't even get me half a tank. Euro moment. T_T
Takes about $18 to get her up from 0-100 in Northern Virginia
I just rode a zero and holy shit the torque blew my face skin back! I need that but in a gas bike 😂 wtf do I get
It's easy to Hype up EVs but nobody wants to sit for almost an Hour while you fill up on Electricity when with gas Your done in seconds
Not exactly true. The efficient way to travel with an electric is not to ride to completely empty and then charge to completely full. In most instances I've experienced very little 'sitting around' while charging. By the time I'm done hitting the head, grabbing a coffee, or exploring the local area - I'm ready to get back on the road. The experience is only as dull as you allow it to be. You're right though, it's not as fast as filling up at the petrol pump - it's just a different experience altogether.