Great review. As a mulholland owner, I can get 90 miles on a single charge riding in the city. My daily commute is a 25 miles round trip mostly highway. It is well worth the price not having to deal with a clutch, gears, shifting, oil changes etc. I have a level 2 charger at home so it is always at 100% before I go to work. It’s a lot of fun riding. It’s dead silent. Fits my needs. I love this bike ❤
You don’t need to find a charger, you can just plug it into a 110 volt outlet in your garage. That way, it only takes 5 seconds to charge - you plug it in and walk in the house. I use my LiveWire Del Mar as a commuter bike for my 24 mile round-trip. It makes the daily drive a blast, and I’ve still got plenty of range to take the long way home. This review missed the build quality, which is superb, and the design, which is badass. Dig it.
For the purpose of riding around town, it might be fun, but for the long drives, I would always be worried about finding a charging station before the bike would die. That anxiety alone, would be enough for me to never want to invest in one. IMO, a waste of time and money.
@@stevenfriedrich1468 Right, and you can spend your money however you want. I would never take this bike or any motorcycle on a long trip. I’ve never taken motorcycles on long trips because bikes are so uncomfortable and limiting. I don’t enjoy riding in straight lines at 70 mph on boring freeways with SUVs and Super Duty trucks and semis buffeting me all over, but to each their own. I also don’t bog down my bikes with fairings and windshields and saddle bags and other gear, but to each their own. For me, I want a naked bike that is quick and nimble to rip around country roads on fun little trips, and here fits the Del Mar. I’m all done with gas engines, anyway, so I just watch for new electric-powered machines that suit what I want to do, and the Del Mar is a perfect fit for me. I’ve had a blast riding it this summer and it makes me smile every time I twist the right grip, so it’s been a terrific use of my time and money.
I have a LiveWire One. The Motor Company under promised and over delivered on performance, range and charging. Level 2 charging at home is game changer for EV owners of any brand and model. I have DC fast charging available to me, but I rarely use it. That's what most of you will find out with a S2 LiveWire in your garage. Ride Free
I’ve owned my S2 Mulholland for 3 months and ridden 5K on the odometer. Several trips to the LW dealer for the 1k and 5K service with important software updates, suspension and belt tweaks in between the bike is way different now. All the reviews are based on demo’s and not long term rides. The software and firmware updates gave me more mileage in between charges, and regen seems to capture more of the kinetic energy. Still waiting on the widget to display regen/power usage… for carrying I use a klim technical riding gear pack with enough room for gear and a second pouch for the quick grocery stops for those few items I need on the way home. My next purchase is an adapter plate that allows for cargo box for those larger items that won’t fit in the pack. I leave it in eco mode all the time. As for point to point charges some are free but of those some are for clients only and will be patrolled by the Paul blarts others will be blocked by ice vehicles or EV’s not plugged in so it’s nice to squeeze in between and charge whenever possible while other charging stations are vandalized so it’s wise to do some recon from time to time as vandalized units or units not activated yet are not likely to be fixed anytime soon (from my experience), the point to point charging however is perfect for the stops in between a few minutes here a few minutes there will net more percentage points then when you arrived. And if charging after hours where seating is unavailable the collapsing capsule seat is perfect!! Fits right in the pack! This bike wasn’t made for long distances it was made for urban navigating the concrete jungles. I have tested long term travel and yes it’s beneficial to draft behind some vehicles to take away some of the high wind impact. LW recommends only using level 1 charging but doesn’t discourage level 2 so if all your riding is through town to work and home for the evening you’ll always have a full charge in the morning! Gas powered is definitely cheaper but those stop and go urban travels in hot summer days it’s nice not having a 200° engine between your legs! Awesome video btw!
Go straight to the bank to take out a loan. Go straight to the app store to buy app. Go straight to the app to pay for unlocking features on the EV. Go straight to the app to pay for speeding up charging. Go straight to the app to pay for heated grips. Go straight to the app to pay for boost mode (or anything else that's already in the motorcycle). If you keep the EV long enough, go straight to the manufacturer to replace that tired battery that's 5 years out of date. BATTERIES HAVE GOTTEN SO MUCH BETTER, why would you hang onto that OLD WORN OUT TECH?!
@@exothermal.sprocket The electric motorcycle companies that had subscriptions got rid of it. Get accurate information. You don't have to pay for boost, or speeding up charging.
I own an electric motorcycle - a 2020 Zero FXS. Its perfect for what it is - a transportation and errand-running tool. It has a top speed of 85mph and 100 mile range around town and half that on the highway. It is not meant to be used for fun which typically includes longer rides. I use it to commute to work daily and rides around town. As a bonus, I get to charge at work all day for free. If I wanted something for fun, I would get a medium displacement gas bike - think Honda NC750x-dct. Bottom line, choose wisely based on the purpose for getting the ride.
I guess these E bikes can be fun... but.... the charging thing really turns me off... I am a long distance rider and I just can't see myself zipping around on one. You are rolling through my old stomping grounds. Love your vids. From Beautiful Gorgeous Bangkok Thailand 🇹🇭 🌺 🌴 🌴 🙏
I totally agree with you that electrics are a blast, but two things made me sell my Zero SR: range/charge time, and the black box aspect of the bike. When it breaks you pretty much are stuck where you are and you can't realistically service it yourself
I would really like a HD EV, but the overall range and true fast charge is not there yet... For around town or short tours it really needs to be comfortable and have a minimum 200 miles highway range at hwy. speeds (imo)... If 300 mile hwy. range, I would really consider one as my 2nd motorcycle.
Exactly, it is nice, I tried it but with current state of tech it can be second bike or principal if you're living in the big city and use it for commute only as any longer trip outside of the city means all of that charging shenanigans. We need to wait for another leap in battery density increase and speed of charing. HD put only level 2 on this bike to cut cost, DC fast charging is a must if you want to have something more than just a city bike. And the price $ 15k, you can have many nice bikes for that. Not many people say about how bad the suspension is in this 15k bike... Cheers!
i like the styling of this and the del mar a lot actually. Range is still the killer though sadly. need more range at sustained speeds of 65-70mph. and its hard imagining not having that v twin or growl of an aggressive ice.
Great video. I've been watching anything LiveWire related because my hope is that I will be able to afford this bike early next year, though I want the Del Mar over the Mullholand. Seems like it is my perfect bike.
It's interesting that Harley separated the electric side. It's odd that Polaris dropped their e-bike after buying out Brammo and then dropping the Victory line. I demoed one about nine years ago. It was fun to ride. Eight miles wasn't enough.
This bikes looks incredible, its a better replacement for the old sportster than the new sportsters. A shame it doesn't have more range and faster charging I still dig it
Rules of EV buying... #1 The real world range is always a third of the manufacturer claimed range. #2 Do not use the EV for touring, even if the manufacturer says it so(I'm looking at you, Zero). #3 Make it a habit to charge it overnight. #4 Expensive EVs don't make sense to buy cause you're basically spending a poop-load for not a lot of range. #5 Any EV below a real world range of 200 miles with maximum payload is just a marketing exercise.
Samsung, l think, is going to release a semi solid state battery to upper class vehicles, then to mass market within the next two or so years. So don't hold your breath for better battery tech. Anyhoo....
He stopped at a store and got a bag of groceries. But when he took off the bag was nowhere in sight. Please show real-world riding, not fake Hollywood stuff. 😢
@@firebladeclements So you need a crew on gas bikes just to pick up groceries? Something tells me that if you buy this bike you’ll be out of riding buddies real quick.
@@slamdvw Well just last week in South Korea they had a big fire when an EV Auto caught on fire. Many fires to Electric Bicycles as well. You can look it up if you don’t believe me.
@tomtaylor6163 I just did.. wish I could post a screenshot.. one site "80 times rarer than ICE fires".. another "0.0012% EV fire risk compared to 0.1% for ICE". So yes... it appears that driving a gas car you're more likely to go up in flames than an EV. From an insurance company website "EV fires 61x less than ICE per 100k vehicles." Amazing what is found 'looking up stuff if not believed.
And as long as there is no construction, fire/landslide, or other unanticipated delay, you'll make it home, maybe. I guess we'll get used to this, but seems a real pain to any dino juicer....
Actually, a delay like that is one of the places where an electric bike shines. unlike a ice bike, you can sit still all day long because it's not running aside from powering the lights and the gages if it's not moving. You're also not wasting gas by turning it off and on .
10/10 you got a bonus +1 point for electric ⚡ You can turn it on and off or stand still without any issues, it doesn't turn off on it's own like dinosaur ones do too
@@shastamite2 “Don’t need a huge amount of range”??? So Nit-Wits who buy this over priced, under ranged POS really don’t care that it has shit range ,?? It’s a money grab because the company knows the range is terrible and they try to polish this turd with fancy marketing, it’s the ultimate Money Grab 👎👎👎
@@elithegreat6463 The people buying this do not care the range is shit because they know it is. I myself dont care about the range. The pros outweight the cons for me and many others.
Sell me an Electric Electra Glide with over two hours range at highway speed with L1, L2, and DC-Fast Charging, and I will pay CVO prices. Until then all these are just no more useful to me than as a to.
yeah, but on a gasoline motorcycle, you just stayed up in the canyons and played around for about an hour or more no problem. You got to do one climb up and then coast down. That's just fucking boring as is the motorcycle as is that sewing machine sound? It's just boring.
Plenty of range for drag queen story hour. This is the perfect lgbtq queer friendly bike!!! Harley and cycle world are all in!!!! 😂😂 please do the next Harley review in drag so we can see you are an ally!!
Great review. As a mulholland owner, I can get 90 miles on a single charge riding in the city. My daily commute is a 25 miles round trip mostly highway. It is well worth the price not having to deal with a clutch, gears, shifting, oil changes etc. I have a level 2 charger at home so it is always at 100% before I go to work. It’s a lot of fun riding. It’s dead silent. Fits my needs. I love this bike ❤
You don’t need to find a charger, you can just plug it into a 110 volt outlet in your garage. That way, it only takes 5 seconds to charge - you plug it in and walk in the house.
I use my LiveWire Del Mar as a commuter bike for my 24 mile round-trip. It makes the daily drive a blast, and I’ve still got plenty of range to take the long way home. This review missed the build quality, which is superb, and the design, which is badass. Dig it.
I think you just convinced me
For the purpose of riding around town, it might be fun, but for the long drives, I would always be worried about finding a charging station before the bike would die. That anxiety alone, would be enough for me to never want to invest in one. IMO, a waste of time and money.
@@stevenfriedrich1468
Right, and you can spend your money however you want.
I would never take this bike or any motorcycle on a long trip. I’ve never taken motorcycles on long trips because bikes are so uncomfortable and limiting. I don’t enjoy riding in straight lines at 70 mph on boring freeways with SUVs and Super Duty trucks and semis buffeting me all over, but to each their own. I also don’t bog down my bikes with fairings and windshields and saddle bags and other gear, but to each their own. For me, I want a naked bike that is quick and nimble to rip around country roads on fun little trips, and here fits the Del Mar. I’m all done with gas engines, anyway, so I just watch for new electric-powered machines that suit what I want to do, and the Del Mar is a perfect fit for me. I’ve had a blast riding it this summer and it makes me smile every time I twist the right grip, so it’s been a terrific use of my time and money.
I have a LiveWire One. The Motor Company under promised and over delivered on performance, range and charging. Level 2 charging at home is game changer for EV owners of any brand and model. I have DC fast charging available to me, but I rarely use it. That's what most of you will find out with a S2 LiveWire in your garage. Ride Free
I’ve owned my S2 Mulholland for 3 months and ridden 5K on the odometer. Several trips to the LW dealer for the 1k and 5K service with important software updates, suspension and belt tweaks in between the bike is way different now. All the reviews are based on demo’s and not long term rides. The software and firmware updates gave me more mileage in between charges, and regen seems to capture more of the kinetic energy. Still waiting on the widget to display regen/power usage… for carrying I use a klim technical riding gear pack with enough room for gear and a second pouch for the quick grocery stops for those few items I need on the way home. My next purchase is an adapter plate that allows for cargo box for those larger items that won’t fit in the pack. I leave it in eco mode all the time. As for point to point charges some are free but of those some are for clients only and will be patrolled by the Paul blarts others will be blocked by ice vehicles or EV’s not plugged in so it’s nice to squeeze in between and charge whenever possible while other charging stations are vandalized so it’s wise to do some recon from time to time as vandalized units or units not activated yet are not likely to be fixed anytime soon (from my experience), the point to point charging however is perfect for the stops in between a few minutes here a few minutes there will net more percentage points then when you arrived. And if charging after hours where seating is unavailable the collapsing capsule seat is perfect!! Fits right in the pack! This bike wasn’t made for long distances it was made for urban navigating the concrete jungles. I have tested long term travel and yes it’s beneficial to draft behind some vehicles to take away some of the high wind impact. LW recommends only using level 1 charging but doesn’t discourage level 2 so if all your riding is through town to work and home for the evening you’ll always have a full charge in the morning! Gas powered is definitely cheaper but those stop and go urban travels in hot summer days it’s nice not having a 200° engine between your legs! Awesome video btw!
My experience, EV critics haven't experienced them. I have, they go, they f*ck'n go.
Go straight to the bank to take out a loan.
Go straight to the app store to buy app.
Go straight to the app to pay for unlocking features on the EV.
Go straight to the app to pay for speeding up charging.
Go straight to the app to pay for heated grips.
Go straight to the app to pay for boost mode (or anything else that's already in the motorcycle).
If you keep the EV long enough, go straight to the manufacturer to replace that tired battery that's 5 years out of date. BATTERIES HAVE GOTTEN SO MUCH BETTER, why would you hang onto that OLD WORN OUT TECH?!
@@exothermal.sprocket The electric motorcycle companies that had subscriptions got rid of it. Get accurate information. You don't have to pay for boost, or speeding up charging.
@@shastamite2 Forge ahead to your electric utopia, swimming in taxation subsidies.
He's right! I have multiple e-bikes, using them at high speeds you will notice the battery bars just disappearing like magic LOL
I own an electric motorcycle - a 2020 Zero FXS. Its perfect for what it is - a transportation and errand-running tool. It has a top speed of 85mph and 100 mile range around town and half that on the highway. It is not meant to be used for fun which typically includes longer rides. I use it to commute to work daily and rides around town. As a bonus, I get to charge at work all day for free. If I wanted something for fun, I would get a medium displacement gas bike - think Honda NC750x-dct. Bottom line, choose wisely based on the purpose for getting the ride.
How do you carry things with you? Are compatible racks available? Commuter and local errand bikes aren’t very practical without such accessories.
@@andrewthompson1313 A backpack works for basic errands. But yes there are racks available for the FXS.
@@andrewthompson1313I have an FXE and I use a top box for cargo
I don’t get anywhere near that range on my fxe lol
@@Zee216 you should be getting 35 miles or so on the highway at 70 steady.
Does that purse come with it for free, or do you have to buy it?
I guess these E bikes can be fun... but.... the charging thing really turns me off... I am a long distance rider and I just can't see myself zipping around on one. You are rolling through my old stomping grounds. Love your vids. From Beautiful Gorgeous Bangkok Thailand 🇹🇭 🌺 🌴 🌴 🙏
I totally agree with you that electrics are a blast, but two things made me sell my Zero SR: range/charge time, and the black box aspect of the bike. When it breaks you pretty much are stuck where you are and you can't realistically service it yourself
I would really like a HD EV, but the overall range and true fast charge is not there yet... For around town or short tours it really needs to be comfortable and have a minimum 200 miles highway range at hwy. speeds (imo)... If 300 mile hwy. range, I would really consider one as my 2nd motorcycle.
Exactly, it is nice, I tried it but with current state of tech it can be second bike or principal if you're living in the big city and use it for commute only as any longer trip outside of the city means all of that charging shenanigans. We need to wait for another leap in battery density increase and speed of charing. HD put only level 2 on this bike to cut cost, DC fast charging is a must if you want to have something more than just a city bike. And the price $ 15k, you can have many nice bikes for that. Not many people say about how bad the suspension is in this 15k bike... Cheers!
i like the styling of this and the del mar a lot actually. Range is still the killer though sadly. need more range at sustained speeds of 65-70mph. and its hard imagining not having that v twin or growl of an aggressive ice.
Many thanks for telling me about something I knew nothing of!
Great video. I've been watching anything LiveWire related because my hope is that I will be able to afford this bike early next year, though I want the Del Mar over the Mullholand. Seems like it is my perfect bike.
Aswome Morgan! Nice to see you!
It's interesting that Harley separated the electric side.
It's odd that Polaris dropped their e-bike after buying out Brammo and then dropping the Victory line. I demoed one about nine years ago. It was fun to ride. Eight miles wasn't enough.
So after charging to 100% you did 40 miles and it was at 5% - is that right?
This bikes looks incredible,
its a better replacement for the old sportster than the new sportsters.
A shame it doesn't have more range and faster charging
I still dig it
My Sportsters hit reserve at 90 miles, you?
@@StephenJohnson-jr5hp I’ve got an 84’ ironhead no speedo but I guess that sounds about right
Needs to have swappable battery packs like an Rc car or EGO mower
Living around finding S L O W refueling (charging). No, that's not motorcycle riding. Not to me it's not.
He was in the 70s % and topped up to 100 in over an hour. That's standing around with some riding added on. No way!
Rules of EV buying...
#1 The real world range is always a third of the manufacturer claimed range.
#2 Do not use the EV for touring, even if the manufacturer says it so(I'm looking at you, Zero).
#3 Make it a habit to charge it overnight.
#4 Expensive EVs don't make sense to buy cause you're basically spending a poop-load for not a lot of range.
#5 Any EV below a real world range of 200 miles with maximum payload is just a marketing exercise.
#5: The range you need depends on you. If you only drive 60 miles/day, you only need 80 miles of range, not 200.
#6 You're paying China a lot of money for batteries, and it's destroying their eco-system and your own economy.
@@exothermal.sprocket Womp womp electric bike go vroooooom
@@shastamite2 Typical. Doesn't affect you, then who cares.
@@exothermal.sprocket Doesn't effect anybody really does it?
Get these things under $9k and I’m in. Super Meteor 650 or Shotgun 650 until then.
Its not fast for a motorcycle. I like shifting gears. I like the sound. I do not like to wait hours at a charging station.
Patetic thing.
Every EV made in the last decade: Look at me! I can accelerate! Please pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
Do you need license for this?
Samsung, l think, is going to release a semi solid state battery to upper class vehicles, then to mass market within the next two or so years. So don't hold your breath for better battery tech.
Anyhoo....
He stopped at a store and got a bag of groceries. But when he took off the bag was nowhere in sight. Please show real-world riding, not fake Hollywood stuff. 😢
Dude had a crew with him if you didn't notice.
@@firebladeclements So you need a crew on gas bikes just to pick up groceries? Something tells me that if you buy this bike you’ll be out of riding buddies real quick.
@blipco5 just stating the obvious, which you apparently missed. Nothing else ffs!
He stuffed the food in his black bag.
Are you really crying over this?
F444k electric bikes from now until eternity
Why is it so small?
What a goddamn joke.
I love this joke so much I am buying one!
@@shastamite2 enjoy
Maybe charge it away from anyplace that you don’t want to burn down?
good thing gas doesn't burn, eh?
@@slamdvw They grossly underreport the number of fires in EVs that are taking place.
@@tomtaylor6163 assuming you can provide proof of this? Every source I can find shows fuel burners are more likely to go up in smoke.
@@slamdvw Well just last week in South Korea they had a big fire when an EV Auto caught on fire. Many fires to Electric Bicycles as well. You can look it up if you don’t believe me.
@tomtaylor6163 I just did.. wish I could post a screenshot.. one site "80 times rarer than ICE fires".. another "0.0012% EV fire risk compared to 0.1% for ICE". So yes... it appears that driving a gas car you're more likely to go up in flames than an EV.
From an insurance company website "EV fires 61x less than ICE per 100k vehicles." Amazing what is found 'looking up stuff if not believed.
Just let them be their own thing, a thing not many people are interested enough in, to hand over much cash for.
Wait you said $16k? you can get some nice bikes for that $$ with none of the drawbacks of electric.
Maybe at half the price.
Summed up in one word for real world use - No.
That was disgusting performance for daily life as a rider and all for the measly sum of 16k 🤣
68 miles with a mid ride top up is pathetic. Im curious why Harley told you not to say the words "Harley Davidson" in this video.
And as long as there is no construction, fire/landslide, or other unanticipated delay, you'll make it home, maybe. I guess we'll get used to this, but seems a real pain to any dino juicer....
Actually, a delay like that is one of the places where an electric bike shines. unlike a ice bike, you can sit still all day long because it's not running aside from powering the lights and the gages if it's not moving. You're also not wasting gas by turning it off and on .
10/10 you got a bonus +1 point for electric ⚡
You can turn it on and off or stand still without any issues, it doesn't turn off on it's own like dinosaur ones do too
7:16 39%, talk about range Anxiety‼️, these things are such a Money Grab for the ignorant 🤦🏻👎👎
How is it a money grab? Most people don't need a huge amount of range, and those that do make it work.
@@shastamite2
“Don’t need a huge amount of range”???
So Nit-Wits who buy this over priced, under ranged POS really don’t care that it has shit range ,??
It’s a money grab because the company knows the range is terrible and they try to polish this turd with fancy marketing, it’s the ultimate Money Grab 👎👎👎
@@elithegreat6463 The people buying this do not care the range is shit because they know it is. I myself dont care about the range. The pros outweight the cons for me and many others.
Sell me an Electric Electra Glide with over two hours range at highway speed with L1, L2, and DC-Fast Charging, and I will pay CVO prices. Until then all these are just no more useful to me than as a to.
yeah, but on a gasoline motorcycle, you just stayed up in the canyons and played around for about an hour or more no problem. You got to do one climb up and then coast down. That's just fucking boring as is the motorcycle as is that sewing machine sound? It's just boring.
are you saying a gas bike doesn't burn any gas going dowhill?
Well at least its less likely to break down (and cost a fortune to fix) like a typical Harley 🙂
Plenty of range for drag queen story hour. This is the perfect lgbtq queer friendly bike!!! Harley and cycle world are all in!!!! 😂😂 please do the next Harley review in drag so we can see you are an ally!!
Are people really still with this electric riders are gay shit? God you are what's wrong with the world.
Imagine being so small down there… that you need a bike to present yourself as manly… 😂😂😂 tell you wife I said 👋
Total waste , and they have the Gaul to put “cruise control” on this thing, hence making your range go LESS, How stupid 🙄🤦🏻🙄
My complaint is that some you're wreck and case for storage.
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dont want the crap so stop pushing it milk floats and scooters but not motorcycles
I want it. I don't like that they push it though.