Appreciate the review. Think I met you on your Del Mar at Bikes and Breakfast at Eldersburg last weekend. I’m more often at B&B Poolesville on a blue H-D LiveWire. Hope to connect again in the future.
Also a Del Mar owner and I just sat on a Mulholland at Ventura HD. Bike looks great in black! The 1" smaller rear wheel results in only a 1/2" drop in seat height. At 5'7'' I can only get flatfooted on one side on the Del Mar and this one makes me a bit closer to getting both fully on the ground. The Mulholland seat is a bit more rounded and is more comfortable. The video claims you can put two people on it, but there are no rear pegs. With the much shorter seat you both be pretty skinny to get two of you on it, and resting your left foot only on the swingarm is something I would not be comfortable with. If you EVER intend on having a passenger this is the wrong choice. The risers the handlebars are mounted on raise it a few inches and the result in a very different feel on the bike--one I really liked too. It does make the controls more accessible as noted on the video. The below the grips mount of the mirrors don't work for me. All I can see in them is my arms. NO BUENO! I suspect the mounts might be able to be switched to the other sides and mounted above the grips. This is something I would have to know will work before I would buy the bike. It's not safe to be riding without adequate mirror coverage. The weight reduction is insignificant. It's the savings of deleting passenger foot pegs/mounts, and a 1" smaller diameter rear wheel and tire. The part I most admired was the smaller and fatter rear tire, and the more traditional looking sport bike treaded front tire. I'm sure that along with some different spring preload settings on the tested unit accounts for the difference in handling. My Del Mar feels way stiffer than necessary, something I hope to address at the 1000 mile service now just a few weeks away.
Some great points. There 100% is a 2-up Kit. Comes with ALL you need for a 2-up kit. Here it is ;) shop.livewire.com/s2-mulholland-2-up-kit/?_gl=1*qb1mwo*_ga*MTkwNDIyMjQyOS4xNzExMDI0NDAy*_ga_R7FQND1N34*MTcxMTMxODIwNS42LjAuMTcxMTMxODIwNS42MC4wLjA.*_fplc*S1dkbGtWNEJNZ2FscjV2Z21VRGlwclVFQVUzVGZiSmpkUGlpelpQc2syWGIlMkZqd1o5RlZiVjBTa1kwaGx3eHQ3JTJGaktjOWNKNmVBOFklMkZqY0tZJTJCU1olMkYzbkFiSU8lMkZvZ1lsTmZDaTRRRno3eXhqTFRkUmZDbWUya2dCR1pzWnB3JTNEJTNE
You're right about this being a good training motorcycle. I bet quietly riding on the range would be helpful. I think they could also add to trainers an electronic "clutch" and foot shifter to simulate the friction zone have a special software training mode that can simulate stalls. It would be wildly expensive to make 😂
The rake is also different from the Del Mar and the lower fork clamps are much higher on the Mulholland which is also contributing to the raised nose/low tail stance. You can also see it in the charge port door which is level on the DM but tilted on the MH.
Excellent review from a riders perspective. In addition to what was mentioned, the Mulholland’s foot pegs are mid placement vs the DrlMar’s forward cruiser peg placement. That will influence the feel of the bike. I’ve seen many reviews on the LiveWire models and this is among the best. I will probably buy one soon.
5'9, 30" inseam here with a Del Mar. If you look at the angle of the battery fins on the MH vs DM, it's clear the bike is tilted nose up/tail down (different wheel sizes vs DM). Thinking that may explain the lower seat height. Curious - on my DM, I can only get balls of my feet on the ground stopped. Is it better with the MH? Also saw a comment from LW they have all kinds of accessories coming for the MH in the next couple of months including a fairing/windscreen of some kind which should help the wind a little bit. First thing I'd probably do is flip the mirrors so they're upright because you can't see a damn thing with them down like that. Hoping they offer a seat with a taller backrest as well at some point.
Hey! Yup, I think your spot on on the lower seat hight because of the tires/wheels It is noticeably easier to flat foot. Yes, I hear there are a whole slew of accessories coming out. I also know you can 100% flip those mirrors pretty easy!
This looks a great bike thanks for a great review I'm definitely considering this bike here in UK btw can the mirrors be adjusted so they're on top of the handle bars
And highway etc more like 60 miles if you want to have fun.😂😂😂. It's a commuters bike but that would mean leaving a 16k bike out for theives to see all day long unless you have safe storage at work and home. Very niche market.
@@FlyingFun. 🤔 99% of motorcycles are left out when commuting. Electric motorcycles are no different. Can’t steel the bike without the fob, plus onboard gps tracking 100% of the time, so not quite understanding your post. But for sure ALL motorcycles are nich
It is expensive upfront. Huge savings monthly and yearly in what it costs to operate. I can’t wait until electric motorcycles are cheaper than gas motorcycles. Right now this cost actually less than the cheapest new Harley Davidson out there.
Why did Livewire expose the cable on the fake gas tank on this model ? Looks stupid and a good place for water and dirt to be trapped in the cable area. Hard to believe I am the only one in the comments that is bothered by this design.
I’m actually glad you called us out. I think it looks cool but I think you’re right it might be a good place at water and dirt could go into. Good point!
Have a bmw ce04 actually though for the slight (3k) difference would think this new S2 would have been a much better choice. Longer range and as fast (with L2) charging. Rear shock is lacking on the CE04 I am thinking. Course to sell or trade-in the CE04 would be a massive lose of money probably. @@MCCJustMotos
Actually had written a reply prior to one posted but hit wrong button. What I typed was that it is good to see such a focused review between the two rides. Many times reviewers get lost in their thoughts and are not as focused on what they want to tell the viewer. Then again, if I was zipping down a road it would not be easy to stay focused on safety while at the same time talking about the bike(s). You know, that stupid human thing about doing only one thing at a time lol.@@MCCJustMotos
@@jeffreywithrow2522thank you for the kind words. I too am guilty of the human construct of getting lost in one’s own thoughts! lol… The magic of editing helps me cut that down and refocus my videos. As you pointed out I really wanted to compare and contrast two bikes. I’m surprised many other reviewers had picked up on some of the same points I did.
Good thing they make a 2-up kit for this, right? shop.livewire.com/s2-mulholland-2-up-kit/?_gl=1*1fyiohg*_ga*MTE2NzAzNTM3LjE3MTI5NTQyMjg.*_ga_R7FQND1N34*MTcxMjk1NDIyOC4xLjAuMTcxMjk1NDIzMC41OC4wLjA.*_fplc*aEtRY3p2U1JYdGRKRXVpazNKeWRZSEVRWTZCbiUyRkp1Mm11TEJLbkF5cVVPdzYlMkI4enJ6OEUlMkZvcU5aaG8zdnVzWlJZJTJGM1NFZ1dDSFJ0QVM4U0dzYU80cVQwdjBhc3pCOUE1WVAzQm5vdlVDMWlBbVlNV3NjWTYxankzWVUlMkJnUSUzRCUzRA..
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Appreciate the review. Think I met you on your Del Mar at Bikes and Breakfast at Eldersburg last weekend. I’m more often at B&B Poolesville on a blue H-D LiveWire. Hope to connect again in the future.
Heck yeah! That was me! Love to meet up again and glad the review was helpful!
Also a Del Mar owner and I just sat on a Mulholland at Ventura HD. Bike looks great in black! The 1" smaller rear wheel results in only a 1/2" drop in seat height. At 5'7'' I can only get flatfooted on one side on the Del Mar and this one makes me a bit closer to getting both fully on the ground.
The Mulholland seat is a bit more rounded and is more comfortable. The video claims you can put two people on it, but there are no rear pegs. With the much shorter seat you both be pretty skinny to get two of you on it, and resting your left foot only on the swingarm is something I would not be comfortable with. If you EVER intend on having a passenger this is the wrong choice.
The risers the handlebars are mounted on raise it a few inches and the result in a very different feel on the bike--one I really liked too. It does make the controls more accessible as noted on the video.
The below the grips mount of the mirrors don't work for me. All I can see in them is my arms. NO BUENO! I suspect the mounts might be able to be switched to the other sides and mounted above the grips. This is something I would have to know will work before I would buy the bike. It's not safe to be riding without adequate mirror coverage.
The weight reduction is insignificant. It's the savings of deleting passenger foot pegs/mounts, and a 1" smaller diameter rear wheel and tire.
The part I most admired was the smaller and fatter rear tire, and the more traditional looking sport bike treaded front tire. I'm sure that along with some different spring preload settings on the tested unit accounts for the difference in handling. My Del Mar feels way stiffer than necessary, something I hope to address at the 1000 mile service now just a few weeks away.
Some great points. There 100% is a 2-up Kit. Comes with ALL you need for a 2-up kit.
Here it is ;)
shop.livewire.com/s2-mulholland-2-up-kit/?_gl=1*qb1mwo*_ga*MTkwNDIyMjQyOS4xNzExMDI0NDAy*_ga_R7FQND1N34*MTcxMTMxODIwNS42LjAuMTcxMTMxODIwNS42MC4wLjA.*_fplc*S1dkbGtWNEJNZ2FscjV2Z21VRGlwclVFQVUzVGZiSmpkUGlpelpQc2syWGIlMkZqd1o5RlZiVjBTa1kwaGx3eHQ3JTJGaktjOWNKNmVBOFklMkZqY0tZJTJCU1olMkYzbkFiSU8lMkZvZ1lsTmZDaTRRRno3eXhqTFRkUmZDbWUya2dCR1pzWnB3JTNEJTNE
It's a 2" smaller wheel in the rear vs the Del Mar no?
@@johnmatero234 yup :)
You're right about this being a good training motorcycle. I bet quietly riding on the range would be helpful.
I think they could also add to trainers an electronic "clutch" and foot shifter to simulate the friction zone have a special software training mode that can simulate stalls.
It would be wildly expensive to make 😂
Probably more the second paragraph lol..but
I’m sure doable.
I think S2 Mulholland model is way cooler than the Del Mar:) and you can swap back flipp spoiler on Mulholland. This bike is made for me 😊
Awwwsome! It’s great to have options ,isn’t it?
The rake is also different from the Del Mar and the lower fork clamps are much higher on the Mulholland which is also contributing to the raised nose/low tail stance. You can also see it in the charge port door which is level on the DM but tilted on the MH.
True
Excellent review from a riders perspective. In addition to what was mentioned, the Mulholland’s foot pegs are mid placement vs the DrlMar’s forward cruiser peg placement. That will influence the feel of the bike. I’ve seen many reviews on the LiveWire models and this is among the best. I will probably buy one soon.
Thank you! I actually felt the peg placement really similar! I think the seat position was more different, but it definitely felt comfy.
5'9, 30" inseam here with a Del Mar. If you look at the angle of the battery fins on the MH vs DM, it's clear the bike is tilted nose up/tail down (different wheel sizes vs DM). Thinking that may explain the lower seat height. Curious - on my DM, I can only get balls of my feet on the ground stopped. Is it better with the MH? Also saw a comment from LW they have all kinds of accessories coming for the MH in the next couple of months including a fairing/windscreen of some kind which should help the wind a little bit. First thing I'd probably do is flip the mirrors so they're upright because you can't see a damn thing with them down like that. Hoping they offer a seat with a taller backrest as well at some point.
Hey! Yup, I think your spot on on the lower seat hight because of the tires/wheels It is noticeably easier to flat foot. Yes, I hear there are a whole slew of accessories coming out. I also know you can 100% flip those mirrors pretty easy!
@@MCCJustMotos Just looked at the parts schematics and you could also flip the gauge to be on top like the DM.
@@johnmatero234 yup to that too! :D
This looks a great bike thanks for a great review I'm definitely considering this bike here in UK btw can the mirrors be adjusted so they're on top of the handle bars
Thanks! 100, the mirrors can be flipped easy!
@MCCJustMotos great I find it so unusual to have the mirrors in that position
It’s a Bobber aesthetic to flip the mirrors like that.
@@CoasterRob I road a Lowrider with the bars like that and apparently they are in the perfect location with pretty much any size ape hangers.
You convinced me to trade my 2020 in for one next year
Tell livewire I sent ya! ;)
Looks like fun - and definitely more my style than the Del Mar :D
Well…there’s options now, right?
@@MCCJustMotos Yup!
The possibility of a 3rd pty, small faring? Would reduce acceleration at all?
I think a small fairing but not acceleration at all.
@@MCCJustMotos cool thanks
I’m sorry… city range of 120 miles for $16k????
No thanks
Even if not for you, at least it’s good to have options?
And highway etc more like 60 miles if you want to have fun.😂😂😂.
It's a commuters bike but that would mean leaving a 16k bike out for theives to see all day long unless you have safe storage at work and home.
Very niche market.
@@FlyingFun. 🤔 99% of motorcycles are left out when commuting. Electric motorcycles are no different. Can’t steel the bike without the fob, plus onboard gps tracking 100% of the time, so not quite understanding your post. But for sure ALL motorcycles are nich
Will be cool to see if this one spawns some customs
Yeah it’s pretty Interesting
@@MCCJustMotos I would like some mid foot controls 😂
@@BobbyMiller3 or fwd controls even
@@MCCJustMotos that would be something to see I don't know where they'd bolt on 😂
@@BobbyMiller3 there may be a place ;)
I need a 2nd job so i can buy this. Looks great
It is expensive upfront. Huge savings monthly and yearly in what it costs to operate. I can’t wait until electric motorcycles are cheaper than gas motorcycles. Right now this cost actually less than the cheapest new Harley Davidson out there.
I think it looks a bit fragile with the front. Every time I look at it thats my first brain fart.
Think it could do a bit more Nightster design.
I’m not disagreeing with you..my style is for sure more Del Mar at heart!
Why did Livewire expose the cable on the fake gas tank on this model ?
Looks stupid and a good place for water and dirt to be trapped in the cable area.
Hard to believe I am the only one in the comments that is bothered by this design.
I’m actually glad you called us out. I think it looks cool but I think you’re right it might be a good place at water and dirt could go into. Good point!
It's madness that they do stuff like that. It's sad to think that someone was employed to design it like that and it was put into production.
I thought it was cool too, but yeah, that will get dirty. They should have put clear plastic over it like supercars do over the engine with glass.
great review
Thanks much!!!! You going to buy one? :D
Have a bmw ce04 actually though for the slight (3k) difference would think this new S2 would have been a much better choice. Longer range and as fast (with L2) charging. Rear shock is lacking on the CE04 I am thinking. Course to sell or trade-in the CE04 would be a massive lose of money probably. @@MCCJustMotos
Actually had written a reply prior to one posted but hit wrong button. What I typed was that it is good to see such a focused review between the two rides. Many times reviewers get lost in their thoughts and are not as focused on what they want to tell the viewer. Then again, if I was zipping down a road it would not be easy to stay focused on safety while at the same time talking about the bike(s). You know, that stupid human thing about doing only one thing at a time lol.@@MCCJustMotos
@@jeffreywithrow2522thank you for the kind words. I too am guilty of the human construct of getting lost in one’s own thoughts! lol… The magic of editing helps me cut that down and refocus my videos. As you pointed out I really wanted to compare and contrast two bikes. I’m surprised many other reviewers had picked up on some of the same points I did.
Never understood any bike that didn't have room for your girlfriend/wife (or possible girlfriend/wife) to sit on the back.
Good thing they make a 2-up kit for this, right?
shop.livewire.com/s2-mulholland-2-up-kit/?_gl=1*1fyiohg*_ga*MTE2NzAzNTM3LjE3MTI5NTQyMjg.*_ga_R7FQND1N34*MTcxMjk1NDIyOC4xLjAuMTcxMjk1NDIzMC41OC4wLjA.*_fplc*aEtRY3p2U1JYdGRKRXVpazNKeWRZSEVRWTZCbiUyRkp1Mm11TEJLbkF5cVVPdzYlMkI4enJ6OEUlMkZvcU5aaG8zdnVzWlJZJTJGM1NFZ1dDSFJ0QVM4U0dzYU80cVQwdjBhc3pCOUE1WVAzQm5vdlVDMWlBbVlNV3NjWTYxankzWVUlMkJnUSUzRCUzRA..
Fuck i hate being the working poor😂 i cant get shit like this.
You could consider the Sur-Ron Ultra Bee R (Road) electric motorcycle.
There are other career options
Mirrors look reversed.
Upside down or reveresed? That’s how it comes.
@@MCCJustMotos I would reverse them so they stuck out to more useful positions.
@@mattdecker7141 I did not like them in the stock position either!