BMW F10 M5 vs F82 M4 rolling drag race
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2015
- I have an M5 here for a review today so why not pit it against the M4 in a quick rolling drag race. The M5 has much more power but the M4 is lighter and puts down its power better. Note both these cars are stock.
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No. It's not "pretty close". :D That M5 obliterated the M4.
Yeah lol
Exactly.
'Oh it's pretty close' as the m5 is pulling away by a car length or two straight away.
Anyone else see the Nissan try to pass them and get left in the dust at 4:05? 😂
+Charlie Long hahahaha so good!
+Charlie Long Altima SL CVT too fast!!
I had to look twice and I don't think I've ever laughed so HARD!!!! thank you for pointing that out +Charlie Long
Ha yes well spotted
It's comparable to a fail "high five" Awkward
Ohhhhh man that M5 is my dream car 😍😍😍😍
You forgot to say this was filmed in Mexico...
+Po Russki Good point. Yes totally filmed in Mexico
+Po Russki Mexico City Dude.....
+Po Russki who cares?
Nick. Tell/Ask the airport where you hanger your G5 if you can do some taxi tests. Then show up with the M toys. That way we, your fans, don't have to bail you out of a Mexican jail cell. Just an idea.
This is the rivalry i always wanted to see Nick. Outstanding job!
I wish BMW could just put the V8 engine from the M5, in the M4. That would make it perfect.
It would be too front heavy
+Jack Brand If it came from factory they would sort that out considering the old M3 had a V8
Yes but the New V8 has more displacement and two turbos, the new M3 is lighter and different distrubition of weight. It would not be that easy
Jack Brand I'm pretty sure BMW engineers could figure it out lol.
***** Those guys could figure anything out!
3:59 - I love how that car behind starts to overtake you both then gets completely left behind
I'm sorry Nick but it's not really that close.
The only reason the first race was close was because you had the M5 in what's basically auto so we know the drill: Foot down, computer is like oh shit we better downshift, downshift, Then Go.
In manual if you were more careful with the gas (not at all your fault it would take time to get a costumed to it) it would leave the M4 so fast.
Not because the M4 isn't quick.
it's just the M5 is a monster and has always been in a different straight line league from the M3s and now the M4s.
IMO :)
+Juan Galvis Driver-error is present in both cars, since they aren't pro-testers.
Nick's point is better expressed through math, but the gist is: if you double the mass, you require 4x (yes, 4) the power to have an equal acceleration rate. This is because acceleration is a power(2) equation, *not* a linear one.
In reality, the two cars aren't anywhere as far apart as you would think, simply from looking at the brag sheets.
+TheJohn8765 This is false. When you double the mass you require 2x the "power" to have an equal acceleration rate. There is no power(2) in the acceleration/mass equation. It is simply
force=mass x acceleration. Double the mass and you need to double the force to have the same acceleration, it's basic physics. Doubling the force in terms of a car would mean doubling the torque to the wheels at any rpm. Double the torque at any rpm and you have twice the power, not four times the power.
Juan Galvis no need for imo ive tested my stock m5 vs tuned m3 f80 and it was much neck and neck stock m3/4 gets crushed
I pick my M4 on Saturday. Thank u for sharing ur experience the past year.
Would wider tyres at the rear help with the power to the road issue or is it much more complicated than that?
Thanks.
That guy should be president just for that m3 wagon idea. I'd buy it in a heartbeat
Don't encourage him
+Nick Murray What, no love for *Super Gramps* (a la MightyCarMods)??
What M3?
+Nicolas Cage is God I also love the shape of a wagon a lot more than the one of a coupe.
You know, they did have the m5 (E60/61) as a wagon, at least in Europe. The worldwide demand wasn't high enough though, so they stopped building those.
But you can always go for an Audi RS6 Avant or Mercedes E63 AMG T-model.
3XX0N yeah my dad's friend has an e60 m5 touring lol
Haha, loved the special thanks :) Saying what we've all been thinking... I've driven both of these cars on the track (thanks M school!) and I can say that the M5 is an absolute beast. But, I'd still rather have the F80.
Great video Nick 👏🏻😎
Hey Nick, love your videos. When is the M5 review coming? I'm close to pulling the trigger on a 2013 model and would love your thoughts. Thanks!
Great video. I'm loving my M4 vert despite the extra weight, it's a killer.
Great vid Nick!
Hi Nick, at 2:11 in the M5 the revs are only at just over 3000, it's hard to believe the M5 didn't have a lower gear available. According to the BMW web site, the M5 engine has less than 50% of it's maximum power available at 3000 rpm and only reaches it's maximum power at 6000 rpm. So the outcome could have been vastly different in a lower gear. You do have the maximum torque available at 3000 rpm, but you would have had the same torque in a lower gear.
+EtienneTestet So I repeated the test later in the video with the gears in manual with revs much higher with much the same result.
+Nick Murray I actually missed that the first time I watched it. That's a lot of wheelspin. Were the settings different? It seems as if the traction control in the M5 is allowing way more wheelspin than the one in the M4, but it's hard to tell without actually sitting in the car. Would be interesting to see the same race with the traction control fully on. I have a feeling BMW traction controls have become way too loose lately. Same thing with the Launch control in the M3/M4, it's much more for show than for maximum performance. Haven't driven the current-gen M5, only the non-turbo predocessor. That one didn't have any traction issues whatsoever, but then again it needed really high revs to really get going.
+EtienneTestet Yes the E60 for V10 had pretty low torque 380lbft at top of the revs so never really had any problems getting the power down. The current M5 nearing double that torque about 630lbft and unlike the V10 that torque is coming in low and drops off later. So the current M5 has all sorts of problems with traction in 1st 2nd and even sometimes 3rd gear. As for the Traction control I had it in MDM mode which is sort of between full off and on and allows some wheel spin which is important in this car because full traction control intervenes and kills the boost at the first smell of wheel spin. As for this test I think first one where I used auto mode with lower revs was the better reflection of how this car performs, it had no wheel spin and pulled smoothly. The one I did manually put too much power down and that can lead to control issues.
+Nick Murray Thanks for your detailed reply. This really makes you think that the F10 M5 with a rear-biased xDrive system would be even more of a rocket. Not sure if it's still a rumor or already confirmed, but if I remember correctly, that's what we can expect for the next generation. No point in adding more and more torque and power if the car - even if it's this heavy - can't bring the power down anymore. If we take a look at the current 7 series and the trend of more lightweight materials and combine that with an all-wheel drive system which is 99% RWD, but only transfers power to the front, when the rear can't take anymore, the next M5 could be one hell of a car. Not saying the current one isn't ... or any M5 for that matter, but that would easily make it the greatest M5 so far.
Also thanks for all your videos. As a dog-owner who's currently working on being able to comfortably afford an F80 M3, I really appreciate every clip with your M4 in it. :)
+EtienneTestet A rollRace from 110kmh from 3-Gear the M4 have no chance. And after 200kmh they must be 10lengh... Its realy hart to put the hol power from the M5 in the first 2- Gears. To much NM. I have one with a tune over 700hp and than you can forget the 1-2 and 3 Gear. Over 150Kmh the have enough Grip to put the Power on the ground. My actually M3 have a tune with over 490Whp. And also big problems with the power in the first two gears. But from 100-200Kmh i actually need 7.3sec. Test it with a GPS Box. Next week i put the Vid on my channel.
Wow they look so badass together (talking about the cars, Nick, don't get too excited...) That's a combined power of 1100 hp!
+Tuddec 560+430=990
+jusuf velovic officially, but if irl the M4 has 500 hp and the M5 has 600 hp, 500+600=1100.
@nickMurrary What do you think about the looks of the new GT3 RS?? To be honest I like the cleanness of the "plan" GT3.
Those F10 M5s are a beast . Bravo twin turbos
Nick, what mounts are you using for your GoPro cameras? I've recently begun using mine in car but I have an incredible amount of jitter that makes the videos unwatchable
Nick's right about the Sedan/Saloon being better looking than the Coupe but a Touring would be insane, shame BMW don't do one!
+What's It Like To Own? Yes absolutely love the E61 M5 just the only thing letting it down is that slowish auto gearbox
+Sam20Gallardo BMW also made 1 E39 M5 Touring, sadly was never put into production :(
+Talon276 no coupe is still better looking.
+Roger Lee How anyone can see a saloon as better looking is beyond me. Saloon is a coupe's fatter uglier sister. More doors to break up those smooth lines? No thanks...
goodshoes07 i said coupe is better looking.
The M5 was in economy mode for shifting 1 bar on display however the M4 was in sport plus full bars. Put them both in sport plus engine and DSG and re try.
+hori m So it was on easy shift for a reason. In the more aggressive modes the car looses even more traction because of the harsh bang into the next gear. This car has all sorts of problems keeping traction and I have found it is faster. Both in sport plus and the M4 is 1-2 car lengths ahead.
@@NickMurray Seems as though the owner let you drive that thing with shitty tires. I don't have this issue and I'm Stage 2. Ever on my PS4's
Very informative, thanks guys. My dad has an M6 GC, and Im getting an M3, so I was curious how they stacked up, and how hard the M3 would pull, knowing how hard the M6 does.
Great video Nick! Love the M5 they are the best cars.
i love how at 4:00 you see a car preparing to pass you in side mirror and then at 4:15 you see it way in the distance getting left behind!
Haha Awesome! Both cars are sick! Great video
That was fun and thank you for the high definition video.
NICE COLOUR AND SPEED HARTINIE
Nice, results seem about right. Sorry to see the paint chips on the door.
BTW - where are you getting the inflated hp #s? I've heard the same thing, but the interior hp/tq displays are reporting stock limits... haven't yet seen a dyno video with the "true" stock #s
+John Morgan The average stock dyno of the M4 is 430-440 at the wheel and the M5 is 550-560 at the wheel. The interior hp/tq displays show the same even if you tune the engines and they are putting out 30-40% more.
+Nick Murray Gotcha thx. Don't know about you, but I'm going to keep mine stock, it's enough. I can feel the wheels break loose in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd without too much coaxing as it is...
Nick is spot on. A wagon M3 would be killer. Then you just give it a subtle software tweak so it spanks all the daddyboy M4's.
I'd love to see this M5 against the tuned M4 that you've reviewed once
How fast is the m5 compared to the carrera s? I don't mean off the line, I mean from 40-100 for example. I'm struggling too see the sense in getting a well specced carrera or carrera s when for the same money I could get a m6 or a slightly used sl63 amg. Although the new turbocharged engines open a lot of doors for easy power upgrades from established porsche tuners like techart or gemballa
m5 is such a beauty!
Nick, you really are god's gift to America!
Any hopes of getting an M6 cabrio for review?
+Khu NoPie I have a 335i cabrio??
The m5 needs traction off or at the very least MDM on for a rolling start or the car just cuts the power as it’ll try spin up to 120. Also needs comfort suspension setting so the weigh transfer helps grip. Makes a huge difference on a roll!
On top of that... the dude had it in D mode at level 1 gear shifts. SMH. 1. Dont do roll races on shitty tires. 2.Don't do roll races if you don't know the required settings.
Nice chipping on yer drivers door edge Nick!
Hey Nick, how about a tour around your new house? :)
The power bar for the m5 on the second take was set to 2 bars instead of 3. The m4 has all 3 on and still lost.
What interesting taste in car aesthetics Nick Z has. Sounds like he would have been a fan of that black, Cadillac CTS-V wagon that Motor Trend took around the 'Ring about 2 years ago and that Jonny Leiberman drove for free for a year - he loved it.
+astrogen1960 Nick Z thinks gold wheels look good on a car so we don't listen to him any more :)
+Nick Murray Well done!
Was the M4 in D mode as well as the M5? on the first run?
I honestly cannot understand how anyone could prefer the looks of a sedan over a sleeker coupe. Boggles my mind
Exactly I argue with my friends all the time , coupes feel and look way more sporty handling feels way better just better overall
I think he's joking around bc it's his car.
Um yeah I think he was being a tad bit facetious wagons and coupes can be awesome in their right nevertheless Cheers
+Tyler513 It wasn't his car lol. The M5 driver owns a Mazda, he was just testing out the M5 for this video.
John Stramiello well your saying that looking at an f10 m5, but even as a BMW coupe owner, the f80 m3 looks nice
Nick, do you think steve's tuned m4 would have beaten this stock m5? I think that would have made an even more interesting video.
+santrade10 I would kick the ass of the M5 I have no doubt
Great video, you have to make a review of the m5 E60!!!
You guys sound like your talking after having fun at a helium party.......
cool stuff Nick. makes me wonder how much faster the M4 is compared to an e92 M3. It would be cool to watch.
+Leo Velez Good news there....that video is coming soon
Nice Nick!
That's a very nice blue on the ///M5. You should review a E60 ///M5.
+Harry Singh V10 FTW!!!
Michael Walker One of the best engine, or the best engine BMW made. The S85 sounds amazing. I love my e60 ///M5.
+Harry Singh that's the Estoril Blue. Then, there's the Imola Red, which is close to a Ferrari red.
+Harry Singh Did you really have to add the /// ?
+fransizcocuk Not Estoril Blue but Monte Carlo Blue.
I can't wait for the new m5
Would be interesting to see how much faster the Jahre 30 m5 or competition pack m5 is than the regular one.
great vid love the m4 only with the M performance exhaust=beast 👍👍
Thanks Nick. Loved it. But....why no walk around. Would really like to have heard about the differences between the two. The likes and dislikes. Thanks again.
+Gipstetz Covered in the M5 review coming
The review is basically ... The ///M5 has one more ///M than the ///M4, which itself has one more ///M than the ///M3. Done. ;-)
+biffy7 Yeah... We're all good now. Thanks for clearing that up Biff.
What are the running costs like on the BMW M5 F10?
Did u see the tach in the M5 when it changed gears? Man that needle really moves about.
love ur vid.... pls be careful with the cops..... keep up the great work.. :D
The E60 M5 looks more aggressive than the F10 M5 imo. An interesting detail comparing the F82 M4 to the F10 M5 is the stiching on the dash. The F82 M4 has this nice white 'sportier' looking stitches compared to the F10 M5 which has this dull black stitches on the dash.
The faster car is faster. Nice conclusion!! Very Top Gear of you.
Excellent work ...two very diff cars!!! Went from an E92 to the newer f10... Not a sports car.
So would you rather have an M4 or an M5 Nick?
your defintion of pretty close is much different than the norm! Two car links " PRETTY CLOSE" ! lol
awesome looked like good fun, M5 is the daddy here but M4 put up a pretty good fight
I think after 120 the M5 would have stretched its legs big time
Id have an M4 any day thing they look so bloody aggressive in coupe form great vid
The difference is so small that in my opinion it does worth the money difference!
That was a cute race.
That blue is so awesome. I'd give it 10/10 if it was manual :S
I do like the black interior over the pimp-white M4 interior
I love both cars
I LOVED THIS VIDEO!!!!!
Breaking the tires loose at 40mph WOW that's amazing
Second race was more accurate based on my races with M3/4's. They do a commendable job keeping up, but the M5 just has too much power to keep her close.
Was this the dude with the protege?...
+TheXenon One in the same
Which camera is that mount to the windscreen in the M5? I think you use it in that location in most of your vids....
+iftibashir GH4
Looks a lot smaller in the video! Keep up the good work ;o)
+Nick Murray what would you say is a better choice for someone who is 19 yrs. for sportiness,style,looks and comfort. the bmw 435i or the bmw 535i?
+Wesam kachouri 435i every time
+Nick Murray are you just saying that because you have an m4 (; lol
Was the M4 in-gear in the first run? Because the M5 wasn't.
That's interesting, I don't think the road you were on helps. A friend of mine has a 2014 M5 and I have a 2015 M4, and the cars are pretty equally matched when the tires are warmed up. We drove from Ansbach to Triberg on the A6 and A81 and it really came down to who got the jump on who. Everytime the road went from 120K to unlimited we would get on it until about 140 mph. Really don't think you get the best look just going out on the highway in the states for a quick test.
YES. I agree with the wagon comment. Sedan does of course look better than the coupe...
where is this filmed?
Is that the same engine in the M6?
Lol at the black car at 4:05 moving out to overtake them.
Bad driving in the M5. He was in the wrong gear, if he knew how to drive the M5 would destroy the M4. When he went manual he easily walked away from him.
Had you done 0-100-0, that would have been an epic addition to this video.
Is this in Australia?
The M5 does look better than the M4. One of the best looking sedans around!! And I also agree, a wagon m4 wouldd be amazing
Nick.. look up you have heads up display...
If Nick 2 likes sedans, what does he think of the M3 in terms of looks??? (vs. the M5 and M4)
I agree with Nick Z, wagons look much better.
(Says a Skoda Superb 3.6 V6 wagon owner) :D
+Ed Frankes Don't encourage him Ed
Your comment at 3:38! LOL
I used to own a coupe, they are good looking from the outside, but im never going back. Having 4 doors makes my life easier and more comfy. The M5 wins for me since its a bigger car and has 2 more extra door.
that slip can be deadly
Why haven't you done some Burger Tuning yet? I think it would've been substantially closer if you were running JB4. I would love to see a "rematch" in the near future since we already know the results stock.
Tuned M4 would leave the M5 standing. No tune because I don't plan to keep the M4 long.
+Nick Murray why not keep it long? What's next?
+mythassassin he's going back to Porsche!!! :) I just suggested it cause he usually puts his money into quality things and figured it's a good value and he'd put it to his own personal use (and my RUclips entertainment lol)
It's just got the extra legs? 🤔 Nearly time to change my M140 what I love, M5 next without a doubt
I can't wait for them to get rid of that old as clock and put in a better media system
Tasty, now I can finish my tea and biscuits 😁
It's a class higher for a reason.
Yea
You have to get in some exhaust clips next time
time to chip tune the M4 Nick 👌
Ya did by beast proud!
I'm am buying a BMW very soon but I'd like to know what everyone prefers. An M4 or an M5. Which looks better?
+Mark Hunt
buy an M4 it has such a nice manual gearbox,I drove both of them and if you have no family
the m4 is the right choice and everyone looked at the M4 but not at the M5.
Also if you keep the manual M4 it'll increase in value because the takerate is under 7% and it's the last manual car from ///M
Great footage but the music was the best!
Can I ask how you avoid the cops? :) and no the M4 just looks better, I think its just the newer design language the bumpers look way more aggressive.
a wagon? RS6 is the answer! Can you review it Nick? :)
Love these vids ans hats off for delivering these comparisons to us petrol heads. However, I am a little concerned as to how you haven't been prosecuted by the law?!?! Surely they have everything they need here served on a plate?