@@Velakor9150 woah, woah, woah... I'm a diamond console player, don't do me like that lol. I ALSO prefer Android to Apple, whatchu gonna do about it?? 😂
@@empathymain I'm also a console player and I don't do that at all. For real, console is looked down a lot, and that's because of xim players who are on the top but have zero gamesense (and that's the same reason the competitive scene is gatekept and there is no pro scene). This dude is just low rank and that's it, and they said they haven't played in months. Also yeah, android is way better than apple. iPhones are just a scam for the people in the US specifically. Most of the world uses android
3 problems with counterwatch: 3 heroes counter 30, if the whole team doesnt swap it doesnt matter, if youre bad at the counter you might aswell not have swapped at all
this statement is half true, where as you are not wrong but also if a player one tricks a specific hero... do you really want them to counter swap onto something they would probably play much worse at? this is mostly true also all the way up to a certain rank, which i believe is masters where is more... if you don't swap you just aren't gonna have fun pretty much.... (not like playing a hero you aren't a fan with is even fun either tbf)
@@AnimeVampire234 Id say its situation if you want them to counterswap or not, if you have enemy ana or something constantly anting the tank and you are a mercy otp surely its more valuable to just swap kiri even if you are worse on
@@IZONE_FAN The counterpick situation depends on circumstances and how things are going. If the map and enemy playstyle allows me to punish certain dps I can play DVA into Zarya as long as my team knows what they are doing. That being said... it can be easier to just switch to Ram or Winston. With Lucio/Kiri backline I can make Queen work a lot easier. Mercy Lw on the other hand... I will just get hit by anti nade and pulled out 24/7 . At that point I go Sigma and hope my DPS can help out.
Healing isn't strong enough to keep a tank up through all the damage that is put out now so tanks are having to learn to play more carefully. HAAA! I never got healed enough to stand in the open for more than 2-3 seconds anyway so... I remember playing Rein a while ago and my support was like "Rein what are you doing? Go in there and swing. I'm pocketing you, you'll be fine. Quit playing scared." And so I swung my hammer roughly 1.25 times and fell over. One of my dps goes "Well, it's a good thing he SWANG!"
Honestly I’m so used to playing with tanks who think "I’m getting pocketed I’ll be fine" that hearing the support think that while the tank knows better than that, is insane to me.
Yaaaaaaa. Playing dive dva on a map that doesn't have a lot of rooms to zip in and out of like junkertown payload is rough. Buffing supports would break the game, idk what else they're gonna try aside from reducing dps passive for tanks exclusively OR maybe just make it 6v6 again. They're running out of options and tank is still miserable. Even if you play cover, if you step out of cover for more than 1 second you're dead.
Yea and it truly never has been, this has been a low player misconception even since OW1 where people constantly focus on heals and think the frontline can live through facetank levels of damage. They can't They never could. Even with two tanks mitigating for each other this wasn't possible. You can brute force in short windows of time, but not in general. You can spike heal in certain moments, but not in general. You can't outheal raw damage of a frontline target that doesn't do anything to dodge or avoid incoming pressure.
meanwhile am playing support/lw so i can stop my tank from trying to 1v5 (neither him or anyone got a ult that could explain his courage to go 1v5) but even after i pull him he still goes in the middle of them xD
Its amazing to me people still dont understand the jiggle (strafing) mechanic behind cover. Coming from COD myself it comes very natural. What I mean by Jiggle, is when you're hiding behind cover just jiggle your character back and forth around the corner to get info. Or in a game like OW, its an easy way to stay behind cover and mitigate poke dmg, get info about the enemy teams position, and bait out their ammo and cooldowns etc. You can even take shots yourself each time you jiggle and peak. A lot of the time this is better than taking insane amounts of damage, and then just sitting behind a wall and healing up to full HP and then peaking again.
Depends on the situation. Sometimes the enemy might think you've left the area entirely if you don't peak again (this only applies to flanks, not if you're coming up main) and that can give you an advantage if they've looked away in the time since.
@@ConspireTheMuse You should be doing it 90% of the time if you're playing tank. That is literally how you play cover. You peak, use a CD or put some damage, hide, peak, repeat. And when you take damage you tuck yourself a little deeper behind cover and jiggle if you need to for info. If you're not doing this you are either standing in the wide open getting rolled or you're spending too much time behind cover giving up space and not getting a lot of info. (Not you personally just in general). I agree tho, timings are super important and playing cover in other ways like juking out your opponents to throw their awareness and timings off goes a long way. This is 100x more important in COD where you can almost map out in your head where each player is, and where they're traveling. And you can catch a timing to flank them, pinch them, or sneak by in general to rotate. Definitely applies to OW a lot and I do it all the time especially on DPS
Biggest tip to anyone in low ranks, especially tank players: don't run at the enemy in a straight line, and don't gravitate towards the middle of the open. Try to hug corners more, move from cover to cover, and spend those 2-5 seconds extra by taking a slightly longer but safer and less predictable route to where you wanna go, rather than just mashing W/forward stick and seeing your health implode faster than a 3rd world economy hit by sanctions. You tank not by physically occupying space and soaking enemy damage, but rather by being a threat to anyone who dare enter the space that is within your convenience to reach. Wether you're in the open or hiding behind cover, doesn't change what space you control. It only changes how much pressure the enemy can conveniently apply to you without having to enter the space you control. If you can change these two simple factors, you never have to ever switch tanks again until probably plat/diamond - because right now your tank choice maybe affect 15% of your gameplay, however the WAY you play tanks is affecting your gameplay by 85%. Go for the low hanging fruit, the big number, high return on investment. Don't learn to counterswap, learn how to play without constantly feeding your way to the fight.
This is pretty much the exact recipe I give my tanks or playing tank myself. Play corner to corner. It's not rocket science. But so many treat it like it is.
@@wusaint Yep corner to corner, or even something as simple as hugging a wall when moving, rather than standing out in the open. It's all about limiting the amount of angles that can conveniently be taken by enemies to pressure you. Anything is better than the open.
5:15 100% agree, when ever ive watched flats or emongg play it inspires me to pick the game back up, then i actually play overwatch and remember that it makes me miserable and put it back down
Tank player experience unimaginable torture of having to rely on teammates switching. No joke this has been biggest problem for tank for the past 8 years. Used to be your flanking hog and now its your mercy+reaper. Its a bit better now than before but tank feel too reliant on team synergy. No easy solutions without causing lots of ripple effects on other roles. Maybe more tank choices will help alleviate it a bit Emogg gives good advice on dealing with it though. Sometimes you gotta be more passive and focus on aspects that bring wins but the game doesn't track like getting cooldowns out, controlling sight lines, etc. Sometimes you just cant make big plays on tanks outside of ult
As a support main, Im convinced that a lot of the tanks who bitch about the tank role are like this dude. Just stand in LOS of the entire enemy team, zero cover usage, and then are absolutely shocked when their supps cant keep them alive.
You haven’t played tank when the enemy team is running a burn the tank comp your hp is down to half or less from just peaking pushing up a tiny amount you explode
@@Justsayit1-Z8 that's not the point of their comment though, the point is majority of tank players bitch and cry when standing out in the open, take zero cover and then get blasted. or don't use cooldowns properly. This video is an example of that, they play like an absolute bot but "don't know what to do".
I think too many lower ELO players haven't adjusted to the changes since the DPS passive. They all play in the open like they can be a bullet sponge. So when they try it and die they don't understand how they are getting melted. Then they commence to blaming support for not healing enough lol
As an offensive DVA and defensive Ramattra, I’ve never struggled once against a bastion. I’m fact I get excited when I see one because they’re free kills lol
Just wanted to say that even if you do have burst healing from Ana, ideally you want your Ana to use her nade to purple enemies not to heal you. Also, just remember that whenever you require lots of healing it forces your supports to heal you rather than doing damage themselves. You really want your flex supports (Ana/Bap/Kiri etc) doing as much damage as possible and using their cooldowns to enable aggressive plays. It's always better to take as little damage as you can while still doing your job. You can get a whole extra dps hero worth of damage on your team just by playing cover and not forcing support cooldowns which allows your supports to focus damage. It's the easiest way to rank up on tank right now, learn to avoid taking unnecessary damage.
I'm in the same boat, except I gain progress and then literally lose all of it the next time I play. I went from silver 3 support to bronze 2 since season 9 today and it's making me think I'm just not cut out for this game, and dps is even a worse experience because I'm so shit, and I always blame myself which just infuriates me and makes me depressed playing it, and its every time I play. So at some point I have to ask if it's even worth playing a game that just depresses me, and no I don't want to be stuck in silver for 5 years, I got other better things to do lol
Tbh, when you play something where you have to DEPEND on other people to actively help you. I wouldn't put all my faith in most people like that (especially randoms) besides a group of best friends and that's a slight maybe.
The way you described ppl wanting tank aggression and then you get smacked from the dps passive. Its been out for a good while and lower ranks still underestimate it so much
I played open q last noght for the first time in like a year and i always picked a tank that worked with another tank on my team and oh man do i miss tank duos it was so much fun, i was loving ram zarya comps and open q zarya is just old zarya and it feels good
I am always super careful about hugging corners and playing around cooldowns. And there are still plenty of games where the enemy tank can just stand wherever and not get punished. It happens more often when the enemy plays Hog, but still. I'm sure there are plenty of games where they are getting ounished, and I don't notice. It feels extra bad when you are playing carefully and decisively and using cover, and you still lose to the enemy with the tank who's just chilling in the open.
Tanks would learn so much of they watched some replays from their supports perspective. So much going deep around corners where no supp can follow up without dying.
Many of our abilities are forward-facing and our job is to take and hold space. Looking behind us to keep track of where the supports are\want to go would cause us to be even less effective. Not that we don't just keel over in 2.1 seconds bc the entire enemy team is always focusing us
@@Tailstraw_xD yep i know the problem, when you see opportunities and engage, you have no rear mirror and have no idea what your team is doing. Someone's i die and look around and are amazed at where people are and are not. But playing support, i really hate when people always go around corners, behind walls and die, it force me to reposition poorly and get killed. When you want to improve, it's part of positioning and game sense. You need to mind space and line of sight. You can go deep if you can survive on your own. Your supports can follow when you don't expose them to flanking enemies, if all are in from of you, you can go in. If you know some dps is on the side, people following you will get picked off. I guess especially in low ranks and when you rarely play support yourself, so get some benefit from watching that perspective occasionally. Playing healable will improve your results. And not face tanking and going straight into all the damage 😀
@@Tailstraw_xD I think you missed the point of the original comment. they said tanks would learn so much by watching their replays from the support pov. not that they should constantly be turned around facing their team or something. and fwiw, taking one second to see if your team is "with" you. what this means will depend on your tank choice - sometimes they will be literally with you, other times you'll see tracer set up/ready to go in and your dps getting set up on high ground, etc). taking just one second to see if your team is ready to engage with you will go a long way to keep your aggression from turning into feeding. it's all about balance. part of learning tank is learning when and how to check on your teammates. this includes paying attention to the voice lines the characters themselves say, like when Moira says "I must recharge" or "I cannot heal you yet" because that probably means you need to take cover/shield and let your moira dps a little to get juice back or throw a damage orb for juice. just because you're on the front line doesn't mean there's no way for you to get really good information about what's going on behind you. and don't get me wrong, knowing what's going on doesn't mean dealing with the situation behind you is the right move. sometimes trying to help is the wrong move, but it's important to be aware that your supports are currently dealing with, for example, a hamster shaped problem because (1) you might need to go trade back lines because there may not be anything your hero can really do about the ball, (2) the enemy currently has no tank to protect the enemy squishies, (3) distracting the enemy supports or shielding off the healing can be enough to give your team the advantage they need to kill the ball who has committed to your backline if you want to be a good tank, you NEED to be aware of what your team is doing. you need to know when you need to look back at them and you need to know how to process all the sound cues to give you solid information while still dealing with what's in front of you. a good way to see where your team awareness is is by seeing what your supports see. maybe you have a tendency to go DEEP when your supports are still coming back from spawn. maybe you don't know where Ana's tend to set up so you don't know where you need to play in order to stay in their LOS. but you'll never know until you watch.
21:00 I once did a Sigma ult like that on the cart and actually won because it got the whole enemy team up high enought where they couldn't contest the overtime
2 healers have to heal 4 players and stay alive themselves and I see this tank Hogging up a pocket mercy. So the other healer has to actually manage to heal 4 people and himself... I hope you dps players see how much work it is being a support player. And I say support, because it's on you to keep yourself alive too. Just standing in the open absorbing all the dmg and you expect to be healed, when the support has to keep himself alive and probably fighting a dps flanker too.
@@reesyloko5741While some can solo heal no problem its not ideal alot more can get done if its not the case. Alot players low diamond and up can solo heal but the point that person made is valid even when I solo heal when I decide to run healer is annoying when people just play dumb taking stupid amounts of damage when there is a payload as cover or walls or even just not running out while low cause 9/10 one person dies the team will crumble. It goes both ways for tanks too yes you are the main one we should keep up but bro you got know when to engage/disengage or take cover for 2 seconds
@@byejaye i understand thats why i just let my teammates die im not gonna risk my position to heal one out of position person ill just heal the rest of the team in position because im more important than a dps or tank dying as a solo healer
From just the thumbnail suggestion, I'd say Sigma to block and eat as much of that as possible but if he's using everything to not get melted by the entire enemy arsenal then it feels like you just have to get a good or lucky pick to help break through.
I haven’t played tank since season 8 , And Tbh I felt good , I played JQ in qp and was doing good , The last time I was a sig,Ram,JQ main (Tanks Im good at) and I got to silver 2 , This is the reason I decided to come back
I flip-flop between support and tank and I'll admit I'm sometimes guilty of just holding forward as tank sometimes, especially as mauga. However, when I make the switch to support, I notice a lot of my tanks do that as well, regardless of who they are and for practically the entire match.
It gave me so much anxiety to see this dude never breaking line of sight with enemy zennyata while having discord orb on them . I was begging for them to take cover
@professionalaccount8012 literally any game is better than this piece of garbage. Calling this game garbage is an insult to actual landfills. Staring at a wall and watching paint try is better than overwatch2
The fact different ranks need different playstyles hurts sometimes Certain high level skills fail to apply in earlier ranks, like in silver you playing corners as a tank isnt nearly as useful as just holding the W key and killing shit but it becomes the opposite later on Certain characters too, like Mauga and Lifeweaver. Both FANTASTIC early on, but they fall off very quickly around platinum Vice versa too, like Lucio becomes a lot more useful later on in ranks because people understand spacing and capturing advantages
I’ve been playing this game since 2016, can we just admit this game is no longer fun. This is coming from a tank/support player, so you know I’ve been through it. Overwatch used to be so much more only to be reduced to this hot garbage.
whenever i see a mauga, im reminded of the players that spam their damage stat off the enemy tanks. mauga is a tank for players who dont play tank. they have released a character where no other tank can contest his space at all, if hes on point, you cant be. if he chases you down like a pitbull, run like a mole. im not complaining at the stategy used to combat him, i just think hes a badly desgined tank.
most ranks if the team sees the tank running from mauga E and bastion turret, they will instinctively hide too. Probably more likely to hide in this situation even than if you _asked_ them to use cover. Psychology is a powerful tool for winning games.
i usually go jr spams if they got bastion/mauga. sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. works better than most other stuff tho. i can usually give us breathing space at least.
The funny thing is both Sombra and Sojourn could be REALLY useful against Mauga, if played correctly. I just don't think if most players can play these heroes correctly. Reaper can be really useful against Mauga, that's his niche (busting fat tanks), use him!
23:59 rock the supports, is mighty risky. Especially if your trying to aim Mercy and your going against a tank thats right in front of you. I mean if your going against orisa, then maybe go for supports and dps. But if its against mauga etc. Then you'll risk not having a rock to throw and soon die from not dazing the tank Edit: except mercy rez as emongg said, because mercy is just standing still and you dont worry about aiming too much
2:15 well not hugging corners and also stop jumping while your aiming and shooting. I think the jumping gives away your aim while you shoot🤷🏼♂️ that's my thought. Thoughts?
I’d be curious to hear through on him not getting rid of discord while playing 3rd point offense. I usually hide behind a corner for a second to get rid of it so you start taking less damage. Is that the right move?
yk whats even more painful than playing tank ink bastion and mauga? playing support into bastion, mauga, pharmercy and kiri/ana. like tf r u supposed to do against that? as support you need to keep the team alive, but how when you get 2 shot by a flanking dmg boosted phara that no one shoots cus they get shredded by bastion/mauga, you also cannot focus pharmercy, cus your whole team will by dead by the time you kill them, so you are in a 3v1 and just die
Bastion is just not a good hero if your team has any brain. You can’t sustain from pure healing output regardless. If the team falls over from just a bastion, just go next they don’t deserve to win anyway
The key to playing tank is pick your moments I play almost all the roles *except junkerqueen which is basically a dps with high health* ethier way I STAY ON THE DAMN PAYLOAD unlike all tanks I DONT 1v4*unless reinhieardt because everybody knows you just charge in to get the sneaky pin kill*
Sp ive recently come back to the game and discovered this... Maui wannabe character and yeah it does seem a bit... um... Screwy with him. Sorta. Theres timings. Bith Bastion and Mauga have a specific timing with the bastion Tank mode and Mauga's Cardiac (E) skill. Mauga basically heals himself which puts less pressure on the healers in tow and allows the support roles to pick more agressive support types like Moira or something. Bastion + Mauga DPS will melt face if youre right up against it and theres certain toons for Tank that seem rather... hard countered... Monke is turned to mincemeat at the worst possible level. Its unbelievably bad for Winston. If he jumps in on Mauga or close to him, i will hit E and use both guns and melt his bum so fast that he looks like smooshed banana. And theres nothing Monke can do because even if he drop sheild, done matter, i charge/stun him, and im healing while blast him, so the barrier block heals from ym supports means little when im juicing up 270dps and a healthy chunk of that being converted to HP generation for me. Add bastion to the mix and even Angry Monke is nothing but a damage sponge thats turns to primate soup. Hog is not as bad but for me, is an ult feeder, as i do the same thing to him. Pulling me in is a mistake unless hos team is coordinated with him and they displace me from my group and into theirs. If theyre not coordinated, Hog heals, so do I, i get ult charge and so does he, but im better and melting face and distrupting others while at it, making me far more flexible when fighting on point. Dva is easy to. Once D Matrix is burned up, press E and blast away with bastion backing, its just not stoppable. The tanks that rely on being up close and personal to be a threat tend to melt the fastest. The exception is Rein, whos tough enough to actually outlast the E press on Mauga, but if youve got a bastion also bursting the Rein down with tank mode, its GG no RE for the Tin Can. It forces tanks to not be careless, but it is pretty odd. Mauga's heal is a big issue IMO. I dont think the dmg is an issue if it was possible to hurt him back but the fact i can continue tanking face while blasting and the bastion has no worry be because im covering for him so well with my big pectorals ... see thats the issue. Doom is hard countered. Monke os hard countered. Ball is hard counters. It aint good. But vs Orisa or something? I mean even Sig does ok for me to fight because when fought right, Sig has a way way way better tool kit to mitigate my E press + double minigun jizz. He can stun, barrier AND absorb, all of which will out last my E press and make me very vulnerable. Mauga is also really strong at poking. I ignite twerps all the time for them juicy crits and it will melt just as well at a distance. I sense a possible nerf might be needed there as well. Im just playing randoms, but to some one whos been off-line sincd OW2 came out? Mauga was easy as hell to play. A quick 1 point cap game and i still get a measely 20k+ dmg and 28 kills for a fast sweep. He's good. Maybe a bit... too good.
I think regardless of the rank if on circuit Royale the enemy team has a sig and you don't you basically kinda just lose, especially on defense. Unless the sig is a lobotomite feeder that doesn't know how the character works.
Plenty of flanking routes. Like 1/3 of first point can be bypassed going over the roof, second point is wide open for mobilitty heroes, third point has lots of high ground that can be abused.
Typically against these comps I get a Mercy and LW who claim "tank diff" bc their healing is so high when in reality, I needed less healing and more utility such as a Zen and an Ana. OW2 is in a state of expecting your tank to do everything!!
Funny. I normally use Sigma to counter mouga and bastion. Didn't know it was wrong. xD Probably works for me because Sigma is one of my best tanks lol Oh, and tank is 100% the worst right now. I hate the dps passive, but I hate even more counterwatch. I stoped playing tank. Just not fun anymore.
its such a shame they went from such a cool / well designed non oppressive tank release in ramattra straight to mauga. its always 1 step forward 2 steps back with blizzard
Exactly this I’m a plat sigma tank n it’s like bro they have mauga and bastion I need a little help n of course I play back because I’m not dying for them if they don’t swap, only time I ask for a Genji
Would I also try to use my damage to create space with someone like Ramattra? I usually poke with him a lot and pop nemesis if I'm getting pushed too much or need extra health, but it'd be nice to know the best way to approach Ramattra since he's my main, and I'd like to improve. Anyone can answer this if they'd like.
what if we gave tanks a scaling health bar depending on how many teammates are alive. I feel like the Tank health bar needs a different mechanic altogether, idk.
For real, tanking is a miserable experience right now - all you do is take heat while the rest of the team fk around. As tank, I am literally getting hosed by 3-4 opposing players, so WHY is my team not getting picks? Add to that, if the opposing tank has a Mercy pocket that DPS don't deal with you might as well type "gg" and leave. Nothing worse that *finally* taking out the tank and she gets of a rez off RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR WHOLE TEAM. Opposing Mercy is the carry in so many games that playing becomes an unbalanced war of attrition. 80% of the time you take out Mercy, they will fold. Mauga+Bastion for me would be Zarya - get charge, hose them down, go after the rest of the team. When I have good games as a tank it's always when DPS are actually doing their job. Shitty DPS means tanking will suck for the whole match. I wish the devs ad stuck to the promise of no CC for DPS. That would balance the game out way better.
I’m 80% through watching this, and I’ve seen the Mauga being killed…only for then the opposing Mercy then being allowed to Rez the Mauga…think I’ve seen it happen on at least 3 occasions… Why oh why are they allowing the Mercy to do the Rez???…on 3 separate occasions…right at the epicentre of the battle… The tank and DPS should be diving in, to do everything to stop the Rez…
Mauga would feel so much better to play against if he could only fire one gun at a time, never mind the fact that there is no way he is actually strong enough to fire a minigun one handed with any kind of accuracy is totally dumb to begin with.
As someone who plays Jq, Rein, and Sigma, on Gold 3 (plat 5 was my highest) make sure you use the suc when bastion is espcially using turret. If mauga pushes in then use your shield bc his bullets dont do much against them if he is tryna hit u. You can also disrupt his flow by using good ol R O C K Another important note. USE THE MAP! Playing against the two heroes its best to use your map for cover if ur shield or suck isnt doing much. Also make sure your team knows how to stay behind cover as well. Feel free to use rock on bastion as well if you dont have suc and need a way out without death. As for queen, Use knife especially in bastion for an easy pull for a kill. If ur team knows, they will help kill that mf. Mauga struggles to kill queen bc she isnt built like a freakin wall. Just make sure you strafe and disengage when you can. USE CART! this lil mf is like the saving grace, its such a good way to get cover or to train the enemy around for an easy solo pickin or at the very least a great way to contest. Also see if ur support will go ana.
It hurts my soul to see you stare at the mercy rezzing Mauga repetitively In your face... YOU HAVE A ROCK 😔
console awareness at its finest
@@Velakor9150 woah, woah, woah... I'm a diamond console player, don't do me like that lol. I ALSO prefer Android to Apple, whatchu gonna do about it?? 😂
@@empathymain I'm also a console player and I don't do that at all. For real, console is looked down a lot, and that's because of xim players who are on the top but have zero gamesense (and that's the same reason the competitive scene is gatekept and there is no pro scene). This dude is just low rank and that's it, and they said they haven't played in months.
Also yeah, android is way better than apple. iPhones are just a scam for the people in the US specifically. Most of the world uses android
@@Mr_Roast Back then I wouldn't agree but now android is definitely better
@@empathymain apple = console bro......
3 problems with counterwatch: 3 heroes counter 30, if the whole team doesnt swap it doesnt matter, if youre bad at the counter you might aswell not have swapped at all
that's true and many players are convinced that only the tank should counterswap they are good on Junkrat/Mercy
this statement is half true, where as you are not wrong but also if a player one tricks a specific hero... do you really want them to counter swap onto something they would probably play much worse at?
this is mostly true also all the way up to a certain rank, which i believe is masters where is more... if you don't swap you just aren't gonna have fun pretty much.... (not like playing a hero you aren't a fan with is even fun either tbf)
@@AnimeVampire234 Id say its situation if you want them to counterswap or not, if you have enemy ana or something constantly anting the tank and you are a mercy otp surely its more valuable to just swap kiri even if you are worse on
@@IZONE_FAN The counterpick situation depends on circumstances and how things are going. If the map and enemy playstyle allows me to punish certain dps I can play DVA into Zarya as long as my team knows what they are doing. That being said... it can be easier to just switch to Ram or Winston. With Lucio/Kiri backline I can make Queen work a lot easier. Mercy Lw on the other hand... I will just get hit by anti nade and pulled out 24/7 . At that point I go Sigma and hope my DPS can help out.
@@Milesrgomez I completely agree
Healing isn't strong enough to keep a tank up through all the damage that is put out now so tanks are having to learn to play more carefully.
HAAA! I never got healed enough to stand in the open for more than 2-3 seconds anyway so...
I remember playing Rein a while ago and my support was like "Rein what are you doing? Go in there and swing. I'm pocketing you, you'll be fine. Quit playing scared." And so I swung my hammer roughly 1.25 times and fell over.
One of my dps goes "Well, it's a good thing he SWANG!"
Honestly I’m so used to playing with tanks who think "I’m getting pocketed I’ll be fine" that hearing the support think that while the tank knows better than that, is insane to me.
Yaaaaaaa. Playing dive dva on a map that doesn't have a lot of rooms to zip in and out of like junkertown payload is rough. Buffing supports would break the game, idk what else they're gonna try aside from reducing dps passive for tanks exclusively OR maybe just make it 6v6 again. They're running out of options and tank is still miserable. Even if you play cover, if you step out of cover for more than 1 second you're dead.
Yea and it truly never has been, this has been a low player misconception even since OW1 where people constantly focus on heals and think the frontline can live through facetank levels of damage. They can't They never could. Even with two tanks mitigating for each other this wasn't possible. You can brute force in short windows of time, but not in general. You can spike heal in certain moments, but not in general. You can't outheal raw damage of a frontline target that doesn't do anything to dodge or avoid incoming pressure.
meanwhile am playing support/lw so i can stop my tank from trying to 1v5 (neither him or anyone got a ult that could explain his courage to go 1v5) but even after i pull him he still goes in the middle of them xD
It's ok. You guys say support kill the game right? Enjoy your dps season
Its amazing to me people still dont understand the jiggle (strafing) mechanic behind cover. Coming from COD myself it comes very natural. What I mean by Jiggle, is when you're hiding behind cover just jiggle your character back and forth around the corner to get info. Or in a game like OW, its an easy way to stay behind cover and mitigate poke dmg, get info about the enemy teams position, and bait out their ammo and cooldowns etc. You can even take shots yourself each time you jiggle and peak. A lot of the time this is better than taking insane amounts of damage, and then just sitting behind a wall and healing up to full HP and then peaking again.
Jiggling is just strafing, we just call it jiggling in comp COD because you're doing it behind cover
Than they complain when they die in open space:"What? Tank us trash, it sucks " you didn't play cover...
U could also use a quiet emote to get the 3rd person camera as long as its a pretty quick emote to get info without ever actually peaking the corner
Depends on the situation. Sometimes the enemy might think you've left the area entirely if you don't peak again (this only applies to flanks, not if you're coming up main) and that can give you an advantage if they've looked away in the time since.
@@ConspireTheMuse You should be doing it 90% of the time if you're playing tank. That is literally how you play cover. You peak, use a CD or put some damage, hide, peak, repeat. And when you take damage you tuck yourself a little deeper behind cover and jiggle if you need to for info. If you're not doing this you are either standing in the wide open getting rolled or you're spending too much time behind cover giving up space and not getting a lot of info. (Not you personally just in general). I agree tho, timings are super important and playing cover in other ways like juking out your opponents to throw their awareness and timings off goes a long way. This is 100x more important in COD where you can almost map out in your head where each player is, and where they're traveling. And you can catch a timing to flank them, pinch them, or sneak by in general to rotate. Definitely applies to OW a lot and I do it all the time especially on DPS
Biggest tip to anyone in low ranks, especially tank players: don't run at the enemy in a straight line, and don't gravitate towards the middle of the open.
Try to hug corners more, move from cover to cover, and spend those 2-5 seconds extra by taking a slightly longer but safer and less predictable route to where you wanna go, rather than just mashing W/forward stick and seeing your health implode faster than a 3rd world economy hit by sanctions.
You tank not by physically occupying space and soaking enemy damage, but rather by being a threat to anyone who dare enter the space that is within your convenience to reach. Wether you're in the open or hiding behind cover, doesn't change what space you control. It only changes how much pressure the enemy can conveniently apply to you without having to enter the space you control.
If you can change these two simple factors, you never have to ever switch tanks again until probably plat/diamond - because right now your tank choice maybe affect 15% of your gameplay, however the WAY you play tanks is affecting your gameplay by 85%. Go for the low hanging fruit, the big number, high return on investment. Don't learn to counterswap, learn how to play without constantly feeding your way to the fight.
This is pretty much the exact recipe I give my tanks or playing tank myself. Play corner to corner. It's not rocket science. But so many treat it like it is.
@@wusaint Yep corner to corner, or even something as simple as hugging a wall when moving, rather than standing out in the open. It's all about limiting the amount of angles that can conveniently be taken by enemies to pressure you. Anything is better than the open.
Every 'hit charge on cooldown into backline of the enemy team and die' Rein player should read the above. ^
Your right about this but your still prob gunna have to switch at a point.
Also don't jump every time you shoot your gun
5:15 100% agree, when ever ive watched flats or emongg play it inspires me to pick the game back up, then i actually play overwatch and remember that it makes me miserable and put it back down
so real
Their entire team was letting that Mercy do whatever she wanted for half the match😭
That's metal ranks not watching rez's
Tank player experience unimaginable torture of having to rely on teammates switching.
No joke this has been biggest problem for tank for the past 8 years. Used to be your flanking hog and now its your mercy+reaper. Its a bit better now than before but tank feel too reliant on team synergy. No easy solutions without causing lots of ripple effects on other roles. Maybe more tank choices will help alleviate it a bit
Emogg gives good advice on dealing with it though. Sometimes you gotta be more passive and focus on aspects that bring wins but the game doesn't track like getting cooldowns out, controlling sight lines, etc. Sometimes you just cant make big plays on tanks outside of ult
Flank hog wasn't all that bad with a half decent hog during ow1 tbh i prefer that over a hog as my only tank😭😭
This is only exacerbated because of the format. It wasn't as big a problem in 6v6.
I actually despise Mauga and Bastion comps. I'm literally just a victim.
i main support and it's pain thank god that there's support called lw so i can just pull them from their line of sight
Go dva bastion sojourn/tracer/sombra /Genji ana and lf/Brigitte or bap
U Can change dva by sigma or orisa
i love that bit in the beginning when the chatter said they watch and then want to play tank but for me i wanted to play but definitly not tank
As a support main, Im convinced that a lot of the tanks who bitch about the tank role are like this dude.
Just stand in LOS of the entire enemy team, zero cover usage, and then are absolutely shocked when their supps cant keep them alive.
Even then, sometimes it just isn't enough.
Until the support gets all pissy and tells you to quit being passive and go in. Which is very common mind you.
You haven’t played tank when the enemy team is running a burn the tank comp your hp is down to half or less from just peaking pushing up a tiny amount you explode
@@Justsayit1-Z8 that's not the point of their comment though, the point is majority of tank players bitch and cry when standing out in the open, take zero cover and then get blasted. or don't use cooldowns properly.
This video is an example of that, they play like an absolute bot but "don't know what to do".
@@StrategicLemonyeah youre definitely a redditor
*mauga fills 75% of the screen* "Rock the supports" like bruh. chat. you're the guy in the meme.
Biggest thing is positioning and using your shield at the right range. He repeatedly threw his shield instead of placing it in front of himself
I think too many lower ELO players haven't adjusted to the changes since the DPS passive. They all play in the open like they can be a bullet sponge. So when they try it and die they don't understand how they are getting melted. Then they commence to blaming support for not healing enough lol
As an offensive DVA and defensive Ramattra, I’ve never struggled once against a bastion. I’m fact I get excited when I see one because they’re free kills lol
Just from the thumbnail. It looks like a nightmare in a nutshell💀
Your supports look away for 2 seconds,you blink and,your hp disappears truly a fun experience
@@Justsayit1-Z8 yea no kidding. Especially when you get zen orb, ana anti and sombra hack. Your gone from existing💀
Just wanted to say that even if you do have burst healing from Ana, ideally you want your Ana to use her nade to purple enemies not to heal you. Also, just remember that whenever you require lots of healing it forces your supports to heal you rather than doing damage themselves. You really want your flex supports (Ana/Bap/Kiri etc) doing as much damage as possible and using their cooldowns to enable aggressive plays. It's always better to take as little damage as you can while still doing your job. You can get a whole extra dps hero worth of damage on your team just by playing cover and not forcing support cooldowns which allows your supports to focus damage. It's the easiest way to rank up on tank right now, learn to avoid taking unnecessary damage.
12:38 that was day light robbery this man should’ve had at least 1 person in it
I genuinely thinking about quitting overwatch bc all my comp games are so one sided, win or loss. It's not fun anymore
I'm in the same boat, except I gain progress and then literally lose all of it the next time I play. I went from silver 3 support to bronze 2 since season 9 today and it's making me think I'm just not cut out for this game, and dps is even a worse experience because I'm so shit, and I always blame myself which just infuriates me and makes me depressed playing it, and its every time I play. So at some point I have to ask if it's even worth playing a game that just depresses me, and no I don't want to be stuck in silver for 5 years, I got other better things to do lol
@@Clashmaster6 me too
@@Clashmaster6skill issue
@@nickr3749 it's also because of people like you~
Tbh, when you play something where you have to DEPEND on other people to actively help you. I wouldn't put all my faith in most people like that (especially randoms) besides a group of best friends and that's a slight maybe.
The way you described ppl wanting tank aggression and then you get smacked from the dps passive. Its been out for a good while and lower ranks still underestimate it so much
I played open q last noght for the first time in like a year and i always picked a tank that worked with another tank on my team and oh man do i miss tank duos it was so much fun, i was loving ram zarya comps and open q zarya is just old zarya and it feels good
I am always super careful about hugging corners and playing around cooldowns. And there are still plenty of games where the enemy tank can just stand wherever and not get punished. It happens more often when the enemy plays Hog, but still. I'm sure there are plenty of games where they are getting ounished, and I don't notice. It feels extra bad when you are playing carefully and decisively and using cover, and you still lose to the enemy with the tank who's just chilling in the open.
3:33
Damn, didn't knew
Tanks would learn so much of they watched some replays from their supports perspective. So much going deep around corners where no supp can follow up without dying.
Many of our abilities are forward-facing and our job is to take and hold space. Looking behind us to keep track of where the supports are\want to go would cause us to be even less effective. Not that we don't just keel over in 2.1 seconds bc the entire enemy team is always focusing us
@@Tailstraw_xD yep i know the problem, when you see opportunities and engage, you have no rear mirror and have no idea what your team is doing. Someone's i die and look around and are amazed at where people are and are not. But playing support, i really hate when people always go around corners, behind walls and die, it force me to reposition poorly and get killed. When you want to improve, it's part of positioning and game sense. You need to mind space and line of sight. You can go deep if you can survive on your own. Your supports can follow when you don't expose them to flanking enemies, if all are in from of you, you can go in. If you know some dps is on the side, people following you will get picked off. I guess especially in low ranks and when you rarely play support yourself, so get some benefit from watching that perspective occasionally. Playing healable will improve your results. And not face tanking and going straight into all the damage 😀
I play tank the most but I like to play the other roles for this reason, so that I can understand what to do to make my dps and supports job easier
@@Tailstraw_xDare you serious it takes 0 effort to look at your teammates you should always be aware of their positioning
@@Tailstraw_xD I think you missed the point of the original comment. they said tanks would learn so much by watching their replays from the support pov. not that they should constantly be turned around facing their team or something.
and fwiw, taking one second to see if your team is "with" you. what this means will depend on your tank choice - sometimes they will be literally with you, other times you'll see tracer set up/ready to go in and your dps getting set up on high ground, etc). taking just one second to see if your team is ready to engage with you will go a long way to keep your aggression from turning into feeding.
it's all about balance. part of learning tank is learning when and how to check on your teammates. this includes paying attention to the voice lines the characters themselves say, like when Moira says "I must recharge" or "I cannot heal you yet" because that probably means you need to take cover/shield and let your moira dps a little to get juice back or throw a damage orb for juice. just because you're on the front line doesn't mean there's no way for you to get really good information about what's going on behind you.
and don't get me wrong, knowing what's going on doesn't mean dealing with the situation behind you is the right move. sometimes trying to help is the wrong move, but it's important to be aware that your supports are currently dealing with, for example, a hamster shaped problem because (1) you might need to go trade back lines because there may not be anything your hero can really do about the ball, (2) the enemy currently has no tank to protect the enemy squishies, (3) distracting the enemy supports or shielding off the healing can be enough to give your team the advantage they need to kill the ball who has committed to your backline
if you want to be a good tank, you NEED to be aware of what your team is doing. you need to know when you need to look back at them and you need to know how to process all the sound cues to give you solid information while still dealing with what's in front of you. a good way to see where your team awareness is is by seeing what your supports see. maybe you have a tendency to go DEEP when your supports are still coming back from spawn. maybe you don't know where Ana's tend to set up so you don't know where you need to play in order to stay in their LOS. but you'll never know until you watch.
actually watching your vids started me on my very determined tank grind
edit: 8:29 it’s always tanks fault, never anyone else’s 😔😔
Support mains would like a word.
bro i thought mauga did a backflip but he just fell twice 23:12
I like at 1:50 when she says “my hand needs some lightning in it”, instead of “my hand needs a knife in it.” I need that skin.
21:00 I once did a Sigma ult like that on the cart and actually won because it got the whole enemy team up high enought where they couldn't contest the overtime
He had rock and watched the mercy rez the tank he was complaining abt smh
Funny enough the best option is junkerqueen because your he hitbox, but all it does it make you die slower
Blizzard: .....I don't see a problem with any of this.
2 healers have to heal 4 players and stay alive themselves and I see this tank Hogging up a pocket mercy. So the other healer has to actually manage to heal 4 people and himself... I hope you dps players see how much work it is being a support player. And I say support, because it's on you to keep yourself alive too. Just standing in the open absorbing all the dmg and you expect to be healed, when the support has to keep himself alive and probably fighting a dps flanker too.
I had no problems with solo healing 4 people it may be because i used to solo heal before role lock but I learned to just let my teammates die lmao
@@reesyloko5741While some can solo heal no problem its not ideal alot more can get done if its not the case. Alot players low diamond and up can solo heal but the point that person made is valid even when I solo heal when I decide to run healer is annoying when people just play dumb taking stupid amounts of damage when there is a payload as cover or walls or even just not running out while low cause 9/10 one person dies the team will crumble. It goes both ways for tanks too yes you are the main one we should keep up but bro you got know when to engage/disengage or take cover for 2 seconds
@@byejaye i understand thats why i just let my teammates die im not gonna risk my position to heal one out of position person ill just heal the rest of the team in position because im more important than a dps or tank dying as a solo healer
I guess some people don't realize there's health packs. I like heals but I'll just say fuck it and get me a pack
From just the thumbnail suggestion, I'd say Sigma to block and eat as much of that as possible but if he's using everything to not get melted by the entire enemy arsenal then it feels like you just have to get a good or lucky pick to help break through.
I haven’t played tank since season 8 , And Tbh I felt good , I played JQ in qp and was doing good , The last time I was a sig,Ram,JQ main (Tanks Im good at) and I got to silver 2 , This is the reason I decided to come back
Agree tank feels good this season compared to previous ones
But like...
HIT YOUR SHOTS MAN
low rank controller players be navigating their aim with the same maneuverability of an Atlantic supertanker.
@@Real_MisterSir fr
You know fear when you play against a Mauga, echo-Mauga and a bastion. I have seen it too many times.
05:25 he says as i'm staring at the play button about to queue for tank
I flip-flop between support and tank and I'll admit I'm sometimes guilty of just holding forward as tank sometimes, especially as mauga. However, when I make the switch to support, I notice a lot of my tanks do that as well, regardless of who they are and for practically the entire match.
It gave me so much anxiety to see this dude never breaking line of sight with enemy zennyata while having discord orb on them . I was begging for them to take cover
i saw the thumbnail and got ptsd as a ramattra player
Just play a different game would be my suggestion.
Which game? Open to suggestions:
@@professionalaccount8012 Terraria is a good one. Lots to explore and learn.
This is the correct answer.
@professionalaccount8012 literally any game is better than this piece of garbage. Calling this game garbage is an insult to actual landfills. Staring at a wall and watching paint try is better than overwatch2
@@professionalaccount8012I've been getting into Halo Infinite since I had a falling out with OW. Sure it was rough at launch but it's not too bad now
The fact different ranks need different playstyles hurts sometimes
Certain high level skills fail to apply in earlier ranks, like in silver you playing corners as a tank isnt nearly as useful as just holding the W key and killing shit but it becomes the opposite later on
Certain characters too, like Mauga and Lifeweaver. Both FANTASTIC early on, but they fall off very quickly around platinum
Vice versa too, like Lucio becomes a lot more useful later on in ranks because people understand spacing and capturing advantages
It triggers me that they never get rid of discord by hiding for a couple of seconds
I’ve been playing this game since 2016, can we just admit this game is no longer fun.
This is coming from a tank/support player, so you know I’ve been through it. Overwatch used to be so much more only to be reduced to this hot garbage.
whenever i see a mauga, im reminded of the players that spam their damage stat off the enemy tanks. mauga is a tank for players who dont play tank. they have released a character where no other tank can contest his space at all, if hes on point, you cant be. if he chases you down like a pitbull, run like a mole. im not complaining at the stategy used to combat him, i just think hes a badly desgined tank.
It's also worth trying to BAIT turret and mauga's E. They are nearly impossible to kill with them, and _really_ squishy without them.
most ranks if the team sees the tank running from mauga E and bastion turret, they will instinctively hide too. Probably more likely to hide in this situation even than if you _asked_ them to use cover. Psychology is a powerful tool for winning games.
i usually go jr spams if they got bastion/mauga. sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. works better than most other stuff tho. i can usually give us breathing space at least.
The sigma face lol love it
The funny thing is both Sombra and Sojourn could be REALLY useful against Mauga, if played correctly. I just don't think if most players can play these heroes correctly. Reaper can be really useful against Mauga, that's his niche (busting fat tanks), use him!
I love counterwatch as a tank, I instant switch when I see the opportunity.
Sigma and venture got the same dental plan 😭😂
Not so bad for ball
FINALLY
Does Ashe dynamite trigger Mauga's weapons?
Yes, anyone on fire takes crit from mauga
They seem to not know they can lose discord if they break LOS
tank this season is hell
What if Rien applies a slow effect when he hits targets with hammer?prolly not “fix” the game but fun maybe?
23:59 rock the supports, is mighty risky. Especially if your trying to aim Mercy and your going against a tank thats right in front of you. I mean if your going against orisa, then maybe go for supports and dps. But if its against mauga etc. Then you'll risk not having a rock to throw and soon die from not dazing the tank
Edit: except mercy rez as emongg said, because mercy is just standing still and you dont worry about aiming too much
I guess the supports pumped all their cooldowns into him 😅
Tanks also need to learn to hide for 2 seconds when they are discorded. So easy to avoid most of the time. Makes your tanking easier.
playing tank in overwatch for me is just watching my hp shields and once they get low get heals it works
2:15 well not hugging corners and also stop jumping while your aiming and shooting. I think the jumping gives away your aim while you shoot🤷🏼♂️ that's my thought. Thoughts?
I’d be curious to hear through on him not getting rid of discord while playing 3rd point offense. I usually hide behind a corner for a second to get rid of it so you start taking less damage. Is that the right move?
Ive mained tank since 2016... now i play damg. I didnt even realize how bad tank had gotten til i played a different role.
I played 13 games as a tank and they were all losses. Never again. They turned them into damn paper.
Theyre big dps, its awful to play. Everyone keeps sayibg go cover to cover and that tanks cant tank damage, why even play at that point
yk whats even more painful than playing tank ink bastion and mauga?
playing support into bastion, mauga, pharmercy and kiri/ana.
like tf r u supposed to do against that?
as support you need to keep the team alive, but how when you get 2 shot by a flanking dmg boosted phara that no one shoots cus they get shredded by bastion/mauga, you also cannot focus pharmercy, cus your whole team will by dead by the time you kill them, so you are in a 3v1 and just die
Bastion is just not a good hero if your team has any brain. You can’t sustain from pure healing output regardless. If the team falls over from just a bastion, just go next they don’t deserve to win anyway
The key to playing tank is pick your moments I play almost all the roles *except junkerqueen which is basically a dps with high health* ethier way I STAY ON THE DAMN PAYLOAD unlike all tanks I DONT 1v4*unless reinhieardt because everybody knows you just charge in to get the sneaky pin kill*
Sp ive recently come back to the game and discovered this... Maui wannabe character and yeah it does seem a bit... um...
Screwy with him. Sorta. Theres timings.
Bith Bastion and Mauga have a specific timing with the bastion Tank mode and Mauga's Cardiac (E) skill. Mauga basically heals himself which puts less pressure on the healers in tow and allows the support roles to pick more agressive support types like Moira or something.
Bastion + Mauga DPS will melt face if youre right up against it and theres certain toons for Tank that seem rather... hard countered...
Monke is turned to mincemeat at the worst possible level. Its unbelievably bad for Winston. If he jumps in on Mauga or close to him, i will hit E and use both guns and melt his bum so fast that he looks like smooshed banana. And theres nothing Monke can do because even if he drop sheild, done matter, i charge/stun him, and im healing while blast him, so the barrier block heals from ym supports means little when im juicing up 270dps and a healthy chunk of that being converted to HP generation for me.
Add bastion to the mix and even Angry Monke is nothing but a damage sponge thats turns to primate soup.
Hog is not as bad but for me, is an ult feeder, as i do the same thing to him. Pulling me in is a mistake unless hos team is coordinated with him and they displace me from my group and into theirs.
If theyre not coordinated, Hog heals, so do I, i get ult charge and so does he, but im better and melting face and distrupting others while at it, making me far more flexible when fighting on point.
Dva is easy to. Once D Matrix is burned up, press E and blast away with bastion backing, its just not stoppable. The tanks that rely on being up close and personal to be a threat tend to melt the fastest.
The exception is Rein, whos tough enough to actually outlast the E press on Mauga, but if youve got a bastion also bursting the Rein down with tank mode, its GG no RE for the Tin Can.
It forces tanks to not be careless, but it is pretty odd. Mauga's heal is a big issue IMO. I dont think the dmg is an issue if it was possible to hurt him back but the fact i can continue tanking face while blasting and the bastion has no worry be because im covering for him so well with my big pectorals ... see thats the issue.
Doom is hard countered. Monke os hard countered. Ball is hard counters. It aint good.
But vs Orisa or something? I mean even Sig does ok for me to fight because when fought right, Sig has a way way way better tool kit to mitigate my E press + double minigun jizz.
He can stun, barrier AND absorb, all of which will out last my E press and make me very vulnerable.
Mauga is also really strong at poking. I ignite twerps all the time for them juicy crits and it will melt just as well at a distance. I sense a possible nerf might be needed there as well.
Im just playing randoms, but to some one whos been off-line sincd OW2 came out? Mauga was easy as hell to play. A quick 1 point cap game and i still get a measely 20k+ dmg and 28 kills for a fast sweep.
He's good. Maybe a bit... too good.
That Mercy heal botting upset me more than anything in this video. Not a single blue beam on anyone.
I knew it was gonna be a skill issue when within the first 30 seconds she pushed in hard while she was discorded
18:44 no one talking about the ana sleep on the valking mercy?
also ignoring the mercy when she resurrects in front of you...
I think regardless of the rank if on circuit Royale the enemy team has a sig and you don't you basically kinda just lose, especially on defense. Unless the sig is a lobotomite feeder that doesn't know how the character works.
Plenty of flanking routes. Like 1/3 of first point can be bypassed going over the roof, second point is wide open for mobilitty heroes, third point has lots of high ground that can be abused.
Bastion is a hard counter to any tank. Especially mauga.
Typically against these comps I get a Mercy and LW who claim "tank diff" bc their healing is so high when in reality, I needed less healing and more utility such as a Zen and an Ana. OW2 is in a state of expecting your tank to do everything!!
this guy is permanently aiming at feet
Funny. I normally use Sigma to counter mouga and bastion. Didn't know it was wrong. xD Probably works for me because Sigma is one of my best tanks lol Oh, and tank is 100% the worst right now. I hate the dps passive, but I hate even more counterwatch. I stoped playing tank. Just not fun anymore.
Sigma is probably the best tank into Mauga and Bastion but the guy in the video had terrible positioning which was why it didn't work
Same, im also a Sigma main and i relish seeing bastion or mauga, but both??? You bet im eating every single bullet i can and rocking that bastion
It's painful watching tanks complain that tanking sucks meanwhile they are standing in the open and playing the wrong tank
its such a shame they went from such a cool / well designed non oppressive tank release in ramattra straight to mauga. its always 1 step forward 2 steps back with blizzard
The answer is Ball. Ball is always the answer.
Lmao this dude standing in front of 5 enemies by himself and wonders why he is having a hard time
Man these games are annoying when the enemy team had mauga bastion and reaper
i feel like i would have a better time playing wrecking ball in mid-high metal comp than unranked and masters+ but its complicated
Opened yt at the perfect time and was early lol
Exactly this I’m a plat sigma tank n it’s like bro they have mauga and bastion I need a little help n of course I play back because I’m not dying for them if they don’t swap, only time I ask for a Genji
5:22 It's both for me.
If they have mauga and bastion, you better be grateful that they dont also have a third tank buster that uses ray damage.
Would I also try to use my damage to create space with someone like Ramattra? I usually poke with him a lot and pop nemesis if I'm getting pushed too much or need extra health, but it'd be nice to know the best way to approach Ramattra since he's my main, and I'd like to improve. Anyone can answer this if they'd like.
what if we gave tanks a scaling health bar depending on how many teammates are alive. I feel like the Tank health bar needs a different mechanic altogether, idk.
he focus only dmg the tank which is healed, he need more focus the stuff behind the tank. he could often killedthe healer behind
Gotta deny rez or kill the mercy, single intersction swings results
For real, tanking is a miserable experience right now - all you do is take heat while the rest of the team fk around. As tank, I am literally getting hosed by 3-4 opposing players, so WHY is my team not getting picks? Add to that, if the opposing tank has a Mercy pocket that DPS don't deal with you might as well type "gg" and leave. Nothing worse that *finally* taking out the tank and she gets of a rez off RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR WHOLE TEAM. Opposing Mercy is the carry in so many games that playing becomes an unbalanced war of attrition. 80% of the time you take out Mercy, they will fold. Mauga+Bastion for me would be Zarya - get charge, hose them down, go after the rest of the team. When I have good games as a tank it's always when DPS are actually doing their job. Shitty DPS means tanking will suck for the whole match. I wish the devs ad stuck to the promise of no CC for DPS. That would balance the game out way better.
I’m 80% through watching this, and I’ve seen the Mauga being killed…only for then the opposing Mercy then being allowed to Rez the Mauga…think I’ve seen it happen on at least 3 occasions…
Why oh why are they allowing the Mercy to do the Rez???…on 3 separate occasions…right at the epicentre of the battle…
The tank and DPS should be diving in, to do everything to stop the Rez…
This is another thing I hate about this game. You're basically not allowed to play the hero you like if you want to also win the match.
I miss the old overwatch
Holy shit how many times are you NOT gonna stop the Mercy rez?
i main brawler tanks, its just what im best at so open maps like this i hate until we get in closer
Mauga would feel so much better to play against if he could only fire one gun at a time, never mind the fact that there is no way he is actually strong enough to fire a minigun one handed with any kind of accuracy is totally dumb to begin with.
I’m a simple man. I see a Maui, I go ana and make their cardiac overdrive useless for them to help my tank
As someone who plays Jq, Rein, and Sigma, on Gold 3 (plat 5 was my highest) make sure you use the suc when bastion is espcially using turret. If mauga pushes in then use your shield bc his bullets dont do much against them if he is tryna hit u. You can also disrupt his flow by using good ol R O C K
Another important note. USE THE MAP! Playing against the two heroes its best to use your map for cover if ur shield or suck isnt doing much. Also make sure your team knows how to stay behind cover as well. Feel free to use rock on bastion as well if you dont have suc and need a way out without death.
As for queen, Use knife especially in bastion for an easy pull for a kill. If ur team knows, they will help kill that mf. Mauga struggles to kill queen bc she isnt built like a freakin wall. Just make sure you strafe and disengage when you can.
USE CART! this lil mf is like the saving grace, its such a good way to get cover or to train the enemy around for an easy solo pickin or at the very least a great way to contest. Also see if ur support will go ana.
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I think the dps passive SHOULD NOT BE applied to tanks. That's why tank is unplayable right now