EckhartsLadder u were off about Master Chief I'm just saying unlike the storm trooper Master Chief fought restlessness foe who are aliens he fought the forerunner, covenant, flood and some other shit they literally out number him when he's alone i know u saw some spartan character fought insane amount of elites, brute, hunters and some crap that no normal marine could stand so those storm trooper may out number him but they dont have the skills like Chief he has so much combat experience those storm trooper wont stand a chance against him so rethink of what u say
"Target their capital ships!" "We are trying sir but they keep maneuvering away!" "Sir incoming transmission from the UNSC fleet" "Put it on." *MC Hammer Can't touch this starts playing at full volume*
They do actually have AI in their ships. BUT it's not as advanced as Halo AI. Honestly I don't see why star wars doesn't use AI the same way as Halo. They have figured out how to basically "cure" rampancy by deleting their memories. And in R2s case he didn't go rambant. Well, at least not in a bad way.
I don't think Chief would survive Vader. No amount of luck in the Galaxy is going to overpower the Force, especially when Vader can just lift Chief up with it and casually walk forwards with his Lightsaber held out to kill him. I mean, Energy Swords one shot Spartans, and I don't think they have anywhere near the same power output as a Lightsaber, considering Energy Swords can't seem to really damage even lightly armoured vehicles.
@@Jenn-lq9yu We're talking about an invincible video game hero versus a movie villain who redeemed himself in death... Chief simply waits floating in mid-air for Vader to get close enough, then kicks the light saber so it destroys Vader's life support system! I'm not sure a canonical force choke would even work unless Stormtroopers could knock Chief unconscious and somehow take off his Mjolnir power armor first... it seems to mostly be used against officers and security that are at best wearing a hard hat and Spartans are surgically enhanced! Don't forget that Chief usually also has Cortana's assistance and picks up a lot of alien goodies along the way, possibly even finding Obi-Wan's light saber!!! I just don't see how Vader can cause enough damage for a decisive victory. Darth Sidious' lightning seems like child's play to dodge with Spartan-2 reflexes, so without someone as over powered as Darth Plagueis... but if the expanded universes get involved, John-117 becomes even more powerful as the Forerunner heir! Additionally, the new Disney movies have absolutely nerfed light sabers! If they weren't weaker than Sangheili energy swords before, they certainly are now.
If you think about it, it doesn’t really make any sense for it to be able to fire at capital ships. The DS-1’s lowest firing mode was able to pretty much blast an entire continent into the stratosphere as seen in rouge one. That kind of power would be massively wasted on almost any capital ship ever designed, and especially on any capital ship the rebellion was capable of fielding. Given that the enemy ships would have to enter the DS-1s turbolaser range to mount a direct assault on the station, and the DS-1 was bountifully equipped with conventional weaponry, it would be highly illogical for that feature to be added. I don’t think it would be added solely based on the fact that it would be completely impractical to actually do. The DS-1 was not designed with the mindset of picking off capital ships at long range, if it was, there would be several more economical ways to go about doing that than the DS-1.
Well,in legends before the rebels had access to the plans of the deathstar the moment they heard of it they scrambled a task force,of like 500 fighters launched by one lucrehulk,and the deathstar at 2% power capability destroyed the smaller battle station in a single blast as the TIEs and 2 star destroyers stationed there at the time took care of the fighters
@@starmada105 that wasn't the lowest power for the laser. That was them just deciding to use one of the three huge reactors at max to blow up the city. And as it is shown in a later comic it was too much. The laser is scalable in power when it fires.
Vader is another story... Its will come down to basic trickery if cheif beats him... For example using a plasma grenade when he can't see it destroying the suit and killing vader.... Thats if he doesn't find a way to wreck the mjolnir with the force first
Unfortunately, we know how the Imperial Navy likes to underestimate their enemies, so I think we're looking at something even more one-sided in favor of the UNSC. The UNSC has something to benefit them in the form of nearly 80 MAC blasts per minute for several minutes until the DS whittles them down or until they crack the hull of the DS, the latter option I think would be more likely. All-in-all, I estimate that the engagement ranges of the targets and the various strategies of available forces would lead to the same one-sided victory. I see no way for the Death Star alone to win in a fight with the UNSC. Timeline: 00:00:00 -UNSC forces slipspace jump into abandoned system for this fight. -Imperial Death Star drops out of hyperspace into abandoned system for the fight. 00:00:10 -UNSC forces complete their slipspace jump, both sides have roughly thirty minutes before they detect the arrival of the other. -Imperial Death Star begins passively surveying system for hostile forces. 00:05:00 -UNSC forces have taken roll call and determined of 80 available ships, 70 have arrived in relatively combat effective positions with 2 complete losses from collisions on exit from slipspace or total missing in action. The remaining 8 are entirely out of position within the system and will be combat ineffective for the battle. -Imperial Death Star continues to scan for hostile forces. One contact detected coming out of Slipspace within near range, the order is given to withhold fire, but to deploy five squadrons of TIE Fighters and two squadrons of TIE Bombers to engage the enemy vessel. 00:10:00 -UNSC AI have formulated a fleet formation and have begun to steer all UNSC vessels into a large stacked formation pushing into the heart of the system. The lone UNSC vessel (we'll say it's a Stalwart) recognizes the hostile target and immediately begins evasive maneuvers while broadcasting footage of the target. It readies itself for the engagement with inbound enemy fighters by opening up with a salvo of Point-Defense Fire while the TIE Fighters are still out of weapons range and scrambles it's 6 Pelicans, beginning to arm them with rocket pods and chain-weapon ammunition. -Imperial Strategists begin to take note of shield deficiency in detected enemy capital ship and begin to pick up the signatures of the Slipspace Ruptures from the first arrivals of the UNSC Defense Fleet. TIE Fighters from the DS have traveled one-tenth of the distance needed to engage lone Stalwart Class Frigate. 00:12:00 -UNSC AI have detected the enemy battlestation and have begun to analyze it's structure looking for potential weak spots or focal points. Within a minute they have detected the main laser dish of the superweapon and have determined it to be a priority target for the fleet. Target solutions begin to be crunched as the UNSC fleet is restructured to offer a wider and more spaced out formation to avoid potential collateral damage from the main superlaser and any inbound fire from the battlestation. The lone UNSC Frigate moves to retreat towards main fleet leaving four pelicans as a screening force behind the ship. Two Archer Missile pods are emptied to attempt to thin out the incoming TIE Fighters, Pelican gunships pull targeting solutions on incoming fighters to also supplement Archer missile fire. Multiple salvos of PDC are still flying through space towards the TIE fighters, but represent a minimal threat with dispersion at nearly 1 meter per 10 kilometers. -Imperial Strategists support a tactic of disabling the fleeing Stalwart frigate to enable TIE Fighters and Bombers to engage while the UNSC Fleet charges in order to display the strength of the Death Star and force a capitulation early. TIE assault wing is roughly 12% of the distance needed to engage the withdrawing Frigate. 00:15:00 -UNSC AI have analyzed initial battle footage between the lone Stalwart that dropped in closer to the Death Star and have determined it acts in much of the same capacity as a Covenant Supercarrier. It is determined that it has a mass equal to a small moon or planetoid and firing computers report a target solution enabling the first salvo of MAC rounds to be fired. 72 MAC Rounds fire with 90% on-target at distance. The lone Stalwart has now emptied a second pair of Archer missile pods and continues to fire in lanes to isolate the directions in which the TIE Fighters can approach the vessel from behind as it retreats. Pelican gunships travelling behind the Frigate obtain target lock and fire double salvos of ANVIL-II missiles. Initial wave of Archer Missiles from first Stalwart Salvo are now 25% of the way to engaging the enemy TIE formation. -Imperial strategists prepare a target solution on the starboard engine pod of the fleeing Stalwart to incapacitate it and to force it to engage the incoming fighters. Analysis of the incoming missiles and projectiles suggest high technological disparity between the enemy forces and the Imperial Navy solidifying the possibility of an Imperial victory. TIE fighters are now 24% of the distance needed to engage the withdrawing Frigate. 00:20:00 -UNSC AI have drawn a second target solution on the enemy battlestation and fire another salvo of round with higher accuracy, enabling 95% of rounds to be fired on target. The fleet continues to approach the enemy battlestation at full-burn while target solution with Archer missile pods are obtained. Twelve Shiva-class nuclear warheads are prepped through the fleet to be fired within the initial missile salvo. Lone Stalwart preps its Shiva nuclear missile and fires it alongside two more Archer Missile pods. Pelican gunships engage with a second salvo of ANVIL-II missiles on enemy fighters. PDC firing lanes shift in order to create confusion in TIE Fighter/Bomber approach patterns. First salvo of Archer Missiles are now 75% of the distance to engaging the enemy TIE formation. -Imperial strategists inform the battlestation commander of inbound kinetic projectile fire from main enemy fleet. Shields are ordered to full across the face of the main laser dish while additional security precautions are taken to avoid potential catastrophic overload in the event of shield breach. Additional Ten TIE assault Wings are scrambled as battlestation prepares for engagement with possible enemy starfighters. Multiple torpedoes detected as having been fired from UNSC frigate, TIE's are ordered into defensive formation to lessen impact of potential missiles on the group. They are now 48% of the distance from engaging the hostile Frigate. Death Star superlaser is given target solution and ordered to 2% strength to fire. Main cannon fires and strikes lone Stalwart class frigate. Frigate is heavily damaged and incapacitated by the shot, forcing it to carry out an emergency shutdown of it's reactors to avoid potential overload while purging its Shaw-Fujikawa slipspace drive. Cole Protocol is prepped while the ship's main PDC complement is brought to quarter-strength to preserve fire. 00:25:00 -UNSC AI have determined nature of hostile superweapon and enact evasive maneuvers to prevent potential weapons' lock. Superlaser fire is detected and hit on lone Stalwart registered. Last transmissions from ship's AI before long-range comms went down relays effects of superlaser. Information is analyzed within a second and fleet formation and spacing opened to avoid potential harmful effects of superlaser radiation in the event of a potential near-miss. Third , Fourth, and Fifth Salvos of MAC cannon rounds fired with approximate 99% accuracy within a kilometer-wide point-target on the face of the Death Star superlaser dish. Lone Stalwart reroutes power from engines into life support and communications while shunting excess into main and auxiliary fire-control and point-defense systems. Frigate's Point-Def Cannons return to 80% function while Pelican screen empties remaining missiles from ANVIL-II Missile pods and returns to the Frigate for rearming. Point-Defense lanes shift again to forces maneuvers from TIE formation inbound. First Salvo of Archer missiles approach and engage the TIE formation. TIE pilots are elite and well-trained and maneuver to avoid impacts from the warheads however proximity-fuse warheads and superior maneuvering capabilities enable missiles to damage or destroy outright almost 30% of the TIE formation. TIE formation breaks up to reform into more spaced hold. Approximately 8 TIE Fighters and 2 TIE Bombers destroyed or rendered combat ineffective. Fourth Salvo of Archer Missiles are launched and rest are reserved for point-defense options. Second Salvo is approximately 80% of the distance to engaging the enemy TIE Formation. Third Salvo is approximately 50% of the distance to engaging the enemy TIE Formation. First MAC salvos from main fleet are now approximately 2.3% of the distance to striking the enemy. -Imperial Strategists note effective guidance systems and proximity detonation warheads of the first salvo of hostile torpedoes. The order to deploy gunboats and larger craft to engage the potentially dangerous light frigate is given. Four squadrons of TIE Fighters alongside an additional squadron of Gunboats are launched to comprise a anti-ship group. Additional groups are scrambled and the first wave of TIE Assault Wings are given the order to begin approach to enemy fleet to engage their main capital ships. Incoming projectiles from the main fleet are detected and analyzed. Potential damage estimates are expected to be minimal and shield strength is lessened to preserve power for the main weapon. Main laser is recharged within three minutes of last shot and targeting computers begin to pull a target solution on enemy fleet. (I'll continue this at another time if this seems an interesting enough analysis of the timeline of events the battle would take.)
The UNSC is using projectile weapons and the laser point defense capabilities of Star Wars ships are well known. They’d just melt all the Mac rounds and blow up all the missiles as they came in. Those that hit the Death Star won’t break through the 3 kilometers of armor. The UNSC would run out of ammo, and all of their ships would be hit with the 750 tractor beam arrays that have extremely long range. The UNSC ships would get lasered to death or get pulled in and get lasered to death by the ten thousand turbo lasers and thousands of strike craft. The best weapon the UNSC has are the shiva nukes, actually, but those will also get lasered by point defenses.
@@theetiologist9539 Ah yes, the laser point defenses that let 30 starfighters close to point blank range in order to hit an incredibly 'small' target with precision... Those point defenses? Additionally, I see nothing about armor on the DS-1 from the wookiepedia or any other sources. The most I see the Death Star having is shields, but we've seen the effect shields had on the fighters. A light jostling. If the shields had any effect on weapons, they were only for plasma/laser types, not kinetics and missiles. Additionally, it's the incredibly close ranges that the Empire prefers to fight at, that would take them down. Hubris and desiring to show their own 'superiority' would be incredibly lethal. The Humans from the halo-verse have become familiar with fighting at literal light-seconds in distance, not the hundreds or thousands of kilometers which aren't even effective for the 'advanced' weapons used on the DS-1. Additionally, those turbolasers, as well as deflector shield towers and tractor beam towers, weren't adequately shielded. The DS-1 wasn't prepared for KKW's because no one in the Star Wars universe has canonically used them for thousands of years... because they were considered 'wasteful' and 'primitive'. But for a society that advanced on the principles of utilizing the maximum levels of accuracy for those weapons... it gets bad. Real bad. Real fast. But not for the guys using 'slug throwers' as they're called in Star Wars.
Master Chief made it through High Charity twice dealing with both Covenant and Flood. I don’t think he’ll be scared of Stormtroopers who can’t even see their own blaster
@@pooroldman5089 just give chef a plasma rifle that's essentially the same thing as your average blaster and those are pretty effective against storm trooper armor
UNSC massively outranges the Death Star with their MACs, overloading shielding and striking the superlaser and surface turbolasers. MACs are also used in formation to cover the largest target area, so they can be used to wipe out waves of incoming TIEs. If that doesn't work, the point defenses and missile pods on the cap ships and frigates can take care of the fragile unshielded TIEs (does expose them to effective laser fire tho). They can also launch small fighters to launch nukes and destroy turbolasers on the surface that the MACs miss, as well as tie up remaining TIEs from the station. Pelicans will then be able to land marines in exposed areas and on the surface, but at close range the marines will suffer losses to laser fire if they push through the hallways due to inadequate energy protection. Most likely they will be recon in force, capturing officers and tech for info on the station and its internal defenses. Assuming language barrier from English to Galactic Basic, shipboard AIs may be able to handle and process captured intel. After locations of command staff, power production and life support are revealed, marines may plant SHIVA nukes or a big ass NOVA bomb to destroy the station from the inside, assuming MAC and missile bombardment is ineffective. Or they can attempt the capture of command staff to attempt to force a surrender. BUT, knowing Star Wars, Vader will show up and destroy every single ship in his TIE Advanced. By himself. And then proceed to choke and smoke every marine on the station.
Are you talking about the turbolasers or the superlaser when you say the MAC outranges the Death Star? Alderaan’s relative size to the DS says that it was about 200,000 km away, and the beam traveled the distance in less than a second. Against a stationary target, the superlaser’s range is literally unlimited. It travels 25 times faster than even a super-MAC round. No realistic amount of MAC rounds will crack the Death Star’s shield. For standard MACs, the ones mounted on ships like the Halcyon-class, you can just forget it. Not happening. For super-MACs, like the ones on orbital defense platforms, it’s still not feasible. The Death Star’s shield has to protect it against all the flying debris from planets exploding. A state-sized chunk of rock traveling at 15,000 km/s packs a LOT more punch than a MAC round. Assuming a spherical chunk 60km in radius that has the same density of the Moon and traveling at the 15,000 km/s of much of the Alderaan debris, its kinetic energy is equal to 1.6 trillion super-MAC rounds. It would take the entire Earth defense grid of 300 OWPs shooting one round every 5 seconds almost 34 years to equal that energy Do you really think that the UNSC can interrogate imperial officers in a realistic timeframe for it to be useful in this engagement? If they return to the fleet before interrogation, the Death Star’s turbolasers will likely shoot it down, killing the prisoner. If they don’t take the prisoner to the fleet, they’ll be under constant attack by imperial forces and in constant danger of their interrogation being interrupted. Either way, they’d have to interrogate for at least several hours, though I would expect at least a day before any real useful information is revealed, if ever. I also don’t expect stolen tech to reveal any truly useful information, but that’s debatable Why bother attempting to gather all that intel if they’re just going to plant a NOVA bomb and destroy the entire station?
Once the Death Star commander realized the primary weapon was disabled and the UNSC's tactics were too effective, he probably would have ordered a retreat. The Death Star would have disappeared into hyperspace before sustaining critical damage.
@@remenencenda768 It does have engines and can move through normal space. Hence how it was able to move around the planet Yavin and get in range of the rebel base.
I would strongly agree with your conclusion. Because the UNSC uses physical projectiles and not energy based ones, their range in space pretty much has no limits other that their ability to track a target. Thanks to this they could be firing their shells from outside observable distances, and this would make it impossible for the death star to make anything other than guess shots at the UNSC fleet with the super laser.
The fighters would be a non issue anyway, because the engagement range would be so insanely vast that they would never be able to get in range before the UNSC destroyed the deathstar. And at that point they could easily mop up the fighters with fighters of their own and overlapping AA fire. Also since T Fighters don't use shields and are basically flimsy flying coffins they would be eviscerated by the AA rail guns that the UNSC uses. Or as I would do they could just broadcast an ultimatum to the fighters that would be left without a base to either surrender or be left to die in their Ties.
Guess shots could be bad though. If a planet-buster shot were fired at extreme range...the energy doesn't disappear, it spreads out. If aimed properly the superlaser could conceivably vaporize a significant chunk of the fleet in one shot. One shot is all they'd get, of course.
The act of the bean spreading out IS dissipation. As the beam spreads out it would do so in a cone and become weaker and weaker as the power is spread out and if the range was far enough it would have spread out too much for the particles to do serious damage.
I don't think we're actually getting a proper reading on effective ranges here. Star Destroyers, using Turbo-lasers, could bombard planets from orbit. I somehow doubt the Death Star's are any less effective, and even if they were plasma based rather than photon streams (ie, actual lasers), they still outrange (and outspeed) solid projectiles to a hilarious degree. MAC cannons are insanely powerful, and they would be highly effective. But 4 km of shielding is not a small amount, EckhartsLadder's severe underestimation of the Death Star's range, and the effectiveness of Tie fighters (which are literally known for being fast and agile) and Bombers (which are not canonically known to be part of the Death Star's complement, but there's literally no reason they wouldn't have them) would, I think, give the edge to the Death Star to a hilarious degree. What I'd like to see is the Executor vs the Infinity. That's a fight that might be a fair bit closer!
While AI's in Star Wars Exist..they are constantly memory wiped and while they do have human level intelligence, they are more like humans than true virtual entities. AI's in Halo although are designed for combat, so won't they attack the mainframe and try to lock down all systems they can in Death Star or start catastrophic reactions here and there? If Artoo can hack them, I am pretty sure AI from Halo can do it too...if even more easily.
So a few things that I feel we're glossed over. 1. The presence of at least 1 smart AI within the UNSC fleet would have an effect on their fighting ability 2. The UNSC point defense systems are fairly decent to deal with tie fighters. Tie fighters are lightly armored and unshielded, just a few kinetic rounds through the fuselage would deal critical damage. 3. Most ships in the UNSC fleet use a thick titanium A armor plate, which I feel could fair well against some of the smaller batteries of the DS1. Also what about the use of Shiva nuclear warheads against the DS1?
while yes the DS1 is big and can take a beating. consistent hits from MACs and a few nukes or even a large barrage of archer and hellfire missiles would do catastrophic dmg
Silver Echo I honestly believe the damage will mainly he superficial, the battlestation may be out ranged but I feel logistically, durability wise, and the potential reinforcements will beat the home fleet. I mean it was designed to take on entire fleets of ships and obliterate planets as an icon of terror. It has its own form of shielding and the armor is so heavy while also featuring a huge complement and thick plating even a nuke wont do shit against it, and if the unsc wanted to do more in regard to precision attacks they would enter the range of the turbolaser batteries that’ll melt them into slag. Hell even at an extended range the sheer wall of the turblolasera could wipe the fleet out. And since things were more needed for direct input and partially analog and not digital the affect of an AI that wasnt directly connected wouldnt matter at all. All in all this was a poor comparison video.
One of the Halo books had an ODST mission, everyone carrying demo charges, some nuclear. It was intended as a borderline one-way sabotage, and it worked. Very few survivors, but the charges carried by the now-fallen Helljumpers were in adequate positions to cause quite a bit of damage. An ODST raid following that template might be a good choice. Have all the charges synchronized, and try to plant them & escape. Plausible worst case? Unit wiped out fighting their way through, and the charges go.
Makes me wonder if the UNSC can just keep hammering until they breach the hull of the Death Star then just nuje the think to death. I'd imagine with it's thick armor, the nuke would be pretty effective. Or hell, nuke/Mac spam the super laser dish. Altogether, I 100% see the UNSC winning this. The Death Star is such a heavily flawed station, especially if we're talking about fighting the first one. What the UNSC is good at is working as a unit to destroy a single target.
Not only would the UNSC have MAC rounds, they would also be firing a near endless barrage of missles, both standard and nuclear. And given the size of the death star, it could not use it’s entire collection of turbo lasers to screen missles. That many targets could possibly allow some boarding parties to reach the station, and once inside, a spartan assault team would tear through stormtroopers.
The Senate Any trooper unfortunate enough to be in the path of a Spartan boarding party, would be little more than a grease stain on the deck. In a run and gun fight through confined corridors and spaces of a station like the deathstar, Spartans would be nearly unstoppable. The best bet stormtroopers would have at stopping Spartan on board the deathstar is to slow them down, by dropping every single blast door as soon as they are discovered and then overwhelm them with sheer numbers.
@@thesenate6482 they've dealt with worse from hunters plasma cannons, and you're assuming Spartans would stupidly stand around like a bunch of stormtroopers and wait to be lit on fire, the find have show very well how poor most troopers skills are. After all it's well known palpatine doesn't want his forces too strong or officers too smart, he's set up the empire so it's just effective enough to rule most of the Galaxy, but weak enough that he can rule it without fear of a coupe .
@@thesenate6482 Cortana or any other a.i. could easily override any gun locking protocols, giving the Spartans plenty of weapons. And they can Chuck tie fighters with their bare hands, the death star is littered with crated and things to hide behind as well as throw at a few flamethrowers, which I don't believe we're ever stationed on the death star making such a point meaningless. And no, the chief and other Spartans have fought and killed enemies like inquistors space magic and all. Plus they are not from the universe so the force doesn't flow through them, which means force attacks that manipulate the body wouldn't work, for in universe look to the yuzan vong. Plus it's well stated how powerful slug throwers are against Jedi.
@@thesenate6482 actually the x wing was designed to replace the tie fighter. The scientists building it defected to the the rebellion taking everything they had on the x wing with them
The Metal would melt, but it would still keep it's ballistic properties, meaning it would still get on whatever poor bastard was behind the lightsaber, sure they could get out of the way, but with a barrage of 7.62x51mm Full Metal Jacket rounds? Yeah, I don't think even Darth Vader would be able to handle it easily. That's assuming they all have MA5C assault rifles, someone could probably be carrying a M90 or a SRS99C. And if somehow they managed to get a tank in the death star, there is very little anyone could do to stop it. @@thesenate6482
Also, even though the turbo lasers have an effective range because it's energy should disperse with range, given that UNSC ships are unshielded, how much damage they would do outside effective range would be interesting to explore.
I feel like you are forgetting a key element to the Death Stars defense that was HIGHLY talked about none stop. The 13 ICSD, they are the main defense for this station. Not to mention, TI-Fighters are actually REALLY fast, they were designed for damage and speed, not sustainability, so while the enemy fleet will sit outside of main Battery Range, the TI's would actually be able to not just screen, but engage the enemy fleet. Not to mention the 13ICSD would also gravely hinder the UNSC ability to push for the death star only. Quite a few things on the Imperial side were overlooked, they have long range weaponry that were meant for dealing with ships, that weren't point defense. Not to mention THOUSANDS of TI's, just i personally think a lot got left out that should've been included on the Death Star, when the Death Star 1 went into combat, the ICSD was there too, just not actually engaged due to the imperial arrogance which is their downfall most of the time. Not to mention, the Emperor was on the station, with his Royal Guard which were Best of the Best fighters, some force sensitive. With that Vader would've commanded his fleet of the ICSD and that being his own personal SICSD. While the DS was slow granted, it actually could move and adjust if needed. While it couldn't turn around 360 degrees with ease the giant laser itself could aim and turn itself, so while the UNSC was at the face of it, the laser could still shoot them.
Well I don’t think the ties would’ve gotten there in time. Turbolasers have a distance of 1200 km and ties move at 1200 kph. But the death star is 160 km long so the defenses on the surface are actually FAR more effective than what he’s showing. Then there’s the fact of FTL. Halo FTL is very inaccurate so they very well could jump right into the killzone of its turbolasers. I mean 1200 km around the DS1 is a prettt big margin for error. Also realize the the hyperdrive win star wars are VERY precise so theoretically, the DS1 could just keep jumping right behind the home fleet every time they flew out of range. Or even if you wanna go and take the tie fighter route, it could jump really close to the fleet and DEPLOY their ties right in front of them. A close up fight would end badly for the UNSC anyway bc they would have to orientate their whole vessel to aim the MAC at the disc. And while they’re turning, their sheildless hulls would get torn apart by their turbolasers barrage. Eckhart is right in saying the UNSC could win by staying out of range of the turbolasers but that’s REALLY far away and the DS1 can hyperjump closer to them.
Tenno Shenaniganizer The only real N7 team you see in Mass effect are the multiplayer characters from ME3's earth dlc. That team of six N7 operstives has three different diotic warriors.
@Travis L Ah yes, people taking my statement where I break the fourth wall and apply plot armor as a definably stat seriously. You know, this is why everyone thinks comedy's dead.
Fallable if he lives a 70 year lifespan and kills exactly 1 billion enemies, that’s an average of 1.3 kills per second. If we assume that he spends two thirds of his life not in combat, either sleeping, eating, or otherwise taking a crap, then averaged kill rate is 3.9 kills per second. Impossible. Unless you count mass kills, like blowing up a Covenant capital ship, of course, but to quote Gimli, “It still only counts as one!”
AI controlled Archer pod volleys to soften the DZ and provide screening against TIE perimeter defence, intermixed with ODST drop pods carrying nuclear payloads. The EMP from a few detonations would be catastrophic, as the 3km of Durasteel would act as a Faraday cage, trapping the radio burst and reflecting it around on the inside of the sphere. Game over. Let SPARTANs have a day off once in a while. Feet first.
Mass Effect answers this question: Assuming the slug is a few kilos and the cannons accelerate the slug to any decent percentage of lightspeed, they will impact with the force of several Hiroshima tier nuclear weapons. Space is also empty and the slugs moving really fast, the Death Star is massive and slow moving, so every shot is going to hit. No matter how armored the station is, if it is even taking 10 or 20 of those a minute, it will not take long to render the Death Star crippled, if not completely destroyed. The energy shields available to the DS1 also do not seem able to prevent smaller craft from reaching its surface, so it stands to reason that shells from a MAC would also not face any impedance from projectile based weaponry. Incredibly, it is probably the Covenant and Prometheans that the Death Star stands a better chance against as its defenses are far more suited against the technology and tactics of those factions vs. the UNSC. "Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space!"
On its own, the Death Star would get pummelled. But the battlestation is supposed to have fighter and Star Destroyer escorts to protect it. The UNSC would have to get through them first to get to the Death Star. A little odd that we don't see much of them in A New Hope.
frostyguy1989 Grand Moff Tarkin wanted to take the Death Star out without a support fleet. He was supremely confident that it was invulnerable. I honestly can’t think of anything redeeming to say about Tarkin.
frostyguy1989 even if Death Star had a support Fleet I still think this year about a Mac cannons the UNSC has would diminish their numbers to a mute point
Drew Lyons A single ISD makes a CCS look friendly, example, planetary bombardment takes an ISD 24 hours, same amount of time a small-medium covenant fleet takes. Shield strength in star wars is astounding, that star destroyer that was destroyed by an asteroid in episode 5, it had taken many hits like that for a few days to a week before it's shields gave out, a quick Google search will tell you the force of such an impact which is comparable to a MAC blast or sometimes stronger depending on the asteroids size. Turbolaser rounds decrease in damage the further you are, that killzone was based on the ship shield strength to how effective a turbolaser would be to them, UNSC ships are UNSHIELDED meaning that the killzone will be many times greater than what was shown here as shields no longer have to be taken into account. PS Star Wars is filled with so much plot armour that it can get a bit cringy at times, I prefer Halo tbh but Imperial vessels are more effective in quite a few areas (range not exactly being one of them though, covenant and UNSC ships outrange them and as such the UNSC could try get completely out of effective range, but by this point MAC rounds would become significantly easier to avoid (Ik how fast the are))
first off, covenant capital ships shields dwarf anything the empire had, example being the only 2 super carriers to die were killed from huge bombs inside of the ship, their shields had never been broken. macs travel much faster than the lasers in star wars, they're also not bright green/red. i'd just like to correct you on the first part. an isd planetary bombardment will not be through, people will live. halo's glassing is done slowly and very precisely as they're making sure there is no biomass left for the flood to take, literally none, not even plantlife
the UNSC also use Nukes like they're going out of fashion. could you imagine, if instead of sending out longswords, they just used nukes as gigantic flak rounds against the swarms of ties? i mean i'm sure they'd do some damage if they ever got one to the DS, but if they could accomplish that, they may as well land the Master Chief there.
I don't know if it was posted already, but I feel like you've left in a fatal miscalculation as well about the Death Star. As we saw in Rogue One, the Death Star can make the jump to hyperspace pretty quickly. If the Death Star is out of range, the Death Star could have made a hyperspace jump to put itself in range quite quickly. Also, I feel something like the Death Star with its power core being in the central portion of the station would maintain power for its thrusters at all times during the fight. In fact, some sources believe that the ion thrusters that the Death Star used for general manuevers were actually internalised. As damage would continue hitting the station, it would only be hitting armor that's been pushed in already making denser targets for each continuous shot bombarding the station, unless the armor has been actually torn away from the station. This density would actually help further protect the reactor and allow the Death Star survive a prolonged encounter with the UNSC Fleet, and definitely buy it enough time for TIE fighters to move into position. I also agree with the comment about the Barringer crater. I feel like the UNSC may have been overglorified with some of its weaponry.
very true, i also posted some other things they missed about the death star, and the Mac Cannons are strong, but shooting through 3 kilometers of sheer armor is a bit too much and then you even need to reach the core. yes you can destroy the main weapon, but what will it do if the death star just jumps in front of you or just moves a bit?
@@Lord_Akkon small missconception about the hull on the death star. it's 3 kilometers of "armored" hulls. not fully solid. it's honeycombed with walkways and corridors. rooms and gun nests. Yes, there is 3 kilometers of armored hull, But it's not solid. After that 3 kilometers of armored hulls, it goes to less armored and more open structural designs that make up a majority of it's volume. including the massive cavity in the center for it's reactor.
@Travis L the unsc is willing to throw bodies at threats lower than that. Even then the goal of boarding a station like this would be to detonate havok nukes in strategic locations throughout. It would be a suicide mission most likely, but odst/spartan lead squad would be able to accomplish it.
@Travis L sidious is an old man who shoots lighting, not a clairvoyant God with pertinent understanding of how a different universe's technology works. Please don't ascribe to him abilities not even anakin had.
One nova bomb from a UNSC prowler would win the conflict. Though I’d also point out that a smart AI like Cortana would defeat them since the Star Wars universe has no concept of cyber warfare, they wouldn’t know how to deal with it.
Another problem, the unsc could detonate nuclear warheads as essentially AOE shields. The warheads would just be able to act as a area shield against tie fighters. Additionally, AI operating a small boarding vessel (such as cortana) would likely be able to dodge the turbo lasers, after all she could easily dodge most covenant weapons and forerunner weapons, as seen several times in the halo books. Furthermore, the Spartans wouldn't have to get to an important system just a port that Cortina could jump through into the deathstars system where she could play havoc with all of the internal controls. Once again, this is done several times with covenant vessels in the books
For people mentioning first strike it wouldn't be the same scenario. The unyielding heiriophants inferior was vastly spacious which allowed what I call blue teams secret weapon linda to cover a path for them and keep then safe. The death star is all close quarters corridors and rooms. Basically all youd have to do to hold back blue team is set up a choke point in the death stars corridors to stop them. They also couldn't use the vents like the heroes in new hope because mjolnir is far too bulky
I think a huge determining factor in this battle would be the A.I. They would have the ability to identify and learn about the enemy weapons before a human could. Along with,, they could coordinate and fire all ships to hit within inches of eachother penetrating the Death stars armor that much quicker.
Who says stormtroopers are not bright. There is this misunderstanding that stormtroopers are what makes up the Imperial army. But the stormtrooper corp is the elite. Only 1-10,000 make it to be a trooper. They are the Imperial SEALS. The only reason they come across as clownish is because they are written by libtards that see them as "evil" and must demean them. But they are in fact the best of the best.
@@IMPERIALPTY210 yes there smart but the empierals just went hay you want to join k heres a gun and some armor that dosnt do jack shit oh you dont know how to hit shots or aim its ok fire in there genaral deriction UNSC you want to become a spartan ok first spend months shooting and then we will inject you with something that makes you better at shooting things oh and here is a shielding system with some armor (even though the shields would not do to much as if a storm trooper hits chief with 3 shots max thats hot plasma. plasma is great at taking down shield )
@@vcgalaxy4266 actually stormtroopers are great soldiers and the begging of a new hope shows that stormtroopers cant kill very effectively. The only time we see them miss is when main characters are around with there invincible PLOT SHIELD. And to become a stormtrooper only the best are selected to undergo the 3 year process of training.
I’m pretty sure the Chief, Johnson and a team of ODST con make it if they get inside the Death Star. The problem is getting inside, because the defenses and the fighters are too much, the UNSC would have to sacrifice a Frag ship at least
I feel like people have missed somthing. Death star takes dmg to primary weapon. Cmdr: shit, jump to light speed we are leaving. because the station can move
8:03 You underestimate Chief's POWER! He went to the fully flood-infected High Charity *by himself*, a planetoid sized station that contained not 25,000 flood, but the tens or even hundreds of millions of flood infected covenant soldiers and civilians, armed with plasma weapons, rescued his AI girlfriend, reached the core, blew up the entire station, killed the gravemind, and then just left with his bro arbiter.
@@madliftedson6565 Any covenant which willingly helped the destruction of humanity is to be destroyed based on their race, the sangheli and san shayuun aren't worthy of life. and definetely not the brutes
Newton's first law...and now that conversation from Mass Effect is stuck in my head. Gunnery Chief: This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kilotomb bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space. Now! Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's First Law? First Recruit: Sir! A object in motion stays in motion, sir! Gunnery Chief: No credit for partial answers, maggot! First Recruit: Sir! Unless acted on by an outside force, sir! Gunnery Chief: Damn straight! I dare to assume you ignorant jackasses know that space is empty. Once you fire this husk of metal, it keeps going till it hits something. That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you're ruining someone's day, somewhere and sometime. That is why you check your damn targets! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a damn firing solution! That is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not "eyeball it!" This is a weapon of mass destruction. You are not a cowboy shooting from the hip! Second Recruit: Sir, yes sir!
Never played the games, but from what I've heard, it's too bad Mass Effect never got a true sequel- They changed from a harder 'rules based' scifi to a softer 'drama based' scifi after the first one. That sound right to people who played it?
Tenno Shenaniganizer Actually for hard sci-fi lovers; he's right... But for cinematic space opera ones It indeed went to the better for ME2 and for 3/4ths of ME3
Every single virus known to man in games , including the chimiran virus: *it's free real estate* Literally all them storm troopers: *YO ALL IN THE WRONG HOUSE FOOL!* (STs transform into said virus') Johnson : remember me?! I JUST BLEW UP YOUR GOD DAMN *HULLA HOOP THING!* Me: I'm sorry....wha....what hu....the death star is rou- Johnson : *DONT QUESTION SERGEANT AVERY JOHNSON BOY!* Me: dude...it's 48 hours after brexit what you's on about?
Odst Inbound storm troopers are actually incredibly accurate. It’s literally stated in the movies that they let Luke rest of the crew escape. However considering chief was able to survive and fight on high charity I think he would be able to deal with some damage in the death star
Deleted Deleted The population of High Charity is a 1,000x larger than that of Earth’s. Master Chief can survive inside the DS, if he can get through High Charity and especially get through a Flood infested High Charity in order to retrieve Cortana. You Honestly think 25,000 Storm Troopers have anything on the population and ground military of High Charity?
25,000 Stormtroopers: We have you surrounded, surrender Chief, Johnson! Johnson: All we're surrounded by are dead men! Chief: Pass the sticks, you can use the rock.
@@kgbcommitteeforstatesecuri3315 also there is a book called "Death troopers" i think thats the name but its literally star wars but with zombies featuring han solo and chewie. i think spores were involved in that book so it is plausible if the halo universe and star wars verse duked it out. zombies/flood is possible XD
Injured captured imperial officer: Long story short, personal shielding wasnt in the budget anymore. Master Chief: What?! Imperial officer: You heard me.... no PERSONAL SHIELDING.... AT ALL.
nick gillett Don’t forget, Fred, Linda, and Will were part of the defense of Earth. If they teamed up with Chief, they’d easily sweep through the Death Star
@@ICantThinkOfANameB Probably. Remember, Luke had R2 the first time they stumbled onto the D1. Yet Obi Wan still had to manually shut down the tractor beam. This was because Ep 4 was made in the 70s with their understanding of technology. Meaning, not everything was accessable from a terminal. Though, R2 still had control over the trash compactors. This implies that only information and a few less vital components were connectes to the main computer. This would prevent Cortana from essental components like the main laser and main power core. Meaning Cortana would be able to find weaknesses in the D1, but Master Chief would have to do all the leg work in shutting it down. Then again, what else is new.
Darth Vader would crush and cave chiefs armor like a soda can with his force choke or crush like luke did to the drouds in mando season 2 finale i bet vader would do that or just snap chiefs neck instantly
I love how Eckhart puts the line "I don't think Master Chief will be able to reach the station" over the shot of him giving the Covenant back their bomb.
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 I mean... we're talking about shooting a man sized object with turrets designed to shoot at planes and starships... not to mention that I dont think they would have noticed him coming with all the debris from the battle floating about
They don't even need a spaceship so long as they get flung in the direction of the Death Star they should be able to use their magnetic function in their armour to walk along the outside and reach an entry point all together.
He literally hunts about average 100 aliens every mission, and according to the UNSC council he fought 203 official combat missions what's nothing compared of his total fighting carrier, so according to that he official eliminated 20300 with his own hands, and if we talk about unofficial with no UNSC backup support,= he slayed more than 700 aliens within every day, that would count as more than trillions in numbers, 25000? Even ungoys are stronger and durable than storm troopers, But....those siths are something
Yeah, apparently they don't realize that they are dealing with 25,000 elite stormtroopers, probably some with Special Ops training, and then there is Darth Vader.
Which is exactly why UNSC should not do a Spartan boarding party, Master Chief can do it all himself. Why use the death star when a holdout blaster will do? (Not that Master Chief isn't awesome, just saying that a whole team of spartans would be unnecessary, as Master Chief can do it himself)
Kingsnake Command dude...the Empire has Vader. He would simply catch Chief in a Force choke and use his Lightsaber to deflect all projectiles that he launches at the Dark Lord. Chief is awesome, but Vader would kill him easy.
@@jordanhendrix2619 But Vader can only be in once place at a time, and weird plot-convenient force powers aside, he'd have to rely on the information gathered by the troops that come across the Spartans (so if the spartan teams go in supported by ODSTs and split into multiple groups to confuse intel) and either the ability to plot an intercept course or to travel dozens of miles through the station to reach them before they're long gone - plus there's the fact that he's practically the de-facto commander of the armed forces, so he's gonna be somewhat distracted by dozens of ships bombarding them. Also it's entirely possible that he'd underestimate the threat they pose as they don't possess the force. Biggest problem deploying the Spartans, is actually getting them there, between all the concentrated fire from the fleet, the length of time they'd have to travel and the possibility of interception by Tie fighters, it'd pretty much charge of the light brigade mark 2. And even if mile-thick plot armour managed to get them there and complete the objective, they're pretty much screwed cos they won't be able to extract in time.
@@zurango3373 very simple reason vader loses, he would rely on his lightsaber to block chiefs shots, you know the super sonic metal slugs that when they hit his light saber become super sonic molten metal that then hits his chest plate and helmet therefore killing him.
There is a much simpler solution for the UNSC to win. Have a ship "surrender" with a NOVA bomb armed. They get pulled into a hanger bay, then goodbye Death Star. Just like Joyous Exaltation.
OOOOOOOR just create a slipspace bomb or the NOVA bomb or the bomb he gave back to the covenant....put in the hanger, put Chief IN THAT hanger and dump him in a head on collision course with the target :P done.
Imperial officers aren't dumb enough not to scan the ship. not to mention they don't accept surrender and would destroy the ship immediately and enter battle
@@Daveo3 they COULD hit their targets, in fact the only reason they failed is because they were ordered to do so, for tracking the Millenium Falcon to the Rebel Base
@@alejandroelluxray5298 ok fair enough, but what about the infinitys shields? We've seen that thing sail casually through a covenant fleet, getting layered with plasma fire, and then take on a forerunner ship, which use hardlight, which is basically more advanced than anything in the sw universe (maby other than a light saber), and it came out with minimal damage
@@Daveo3 not even that shield could sustain a beam capable of blowing up an entire planet, plus the ion cannons would turn off the shields quickly for the turbolasers to kill it
I agreed once all of Master Chief boys die he'll be the only one left fighting his way and the storm well he like "WHAT THE HELL HES JUST ONE GUY BLAST HIM NOW". "AUGH, WE NEED BACK UP NOW". "HES NOTING ELSE HES A MONSTER WE'RE SCREWED MAN". "FALLED BACK, FALL BACK NOW".
Sicarius Vast Legends tell of the Justin Y. made a deal with the Devil to hunt down every last RUclips video to comment on...That was until the day he did the one thing no man ever did...He also commented on Reddit saying he loved the content angering the Devil he rode of to comment on every single other commenting Website though every once and awhile returning to were he began so he could piss of the RUclips Commenter's(the Devil in disguise) for all of eternity! *He IS the RUclips Rider!* Simply put he's a Soulless Creature who won't rest until every possible video in existence is commented on!
"Chief, were getting a high reading here, saying that a large covenant ship is closing in on us." "What do you mean Cortana? That's just a moon." "Chief. I don't think thats a moon." *Imperial March begins to play*
BXOTROT ___ Epsilon could hack it... Or just possess it and fire it on itself. (Scratch that he can’t hit shit so he could probs just hack the shit out of it).
"Master Chief, you mind telling me what you're doing on that ship?" "Sir, this isn't a fight it's a f$%&ing slaughterfest." *Audible BFG Division and Wilhelm screaming in the background
Here's another one: Hood: "Master Chief, you mind telling me what you're doing on that ship?" Chief: "Sir, send me Blue Team." Hood: "We'll send you Blue Team to support you-" Chief: "Not me. The enemy. They need help and I want a challenge."
Deathstar : we have MAC cannons UNSC : we have master cheif Me: I've literally got...like...6 girls with U *SM* C (not U *NS* C) armour and M4A1s because everyone else is being sexist like so.... (That's an airsoft game story to tell later) I'm not joking this literally happened once in rl in an airsoft modern warfare match (airsoft = we go some place , play real life COD , get shot by plastic yellow balls which sting like bein electric shocked without the shock basically) Rebs: we've go- Me: yea we don't need mon Cal's mate
Mind you that the Death Star must survive exploding planets. A MAC round would be like a fart in the wind compared to being slammed by country sized planet pieces.
@@cataclysmicdelta1828 I'm fully aware of it. Most of the debris that would have hit the death star would carry a lot more momentum than a mac round. Even if we factor in force consentration, the difference in size between the projectiles would make it irrelevant.
Master chief is kind old yet still a war machine and noble 6 is an assassin capable of obliterating a load of soldiers together it's a recipe for greatness. Or do you mean tom?
@@TheNamesSlick You dont need. Vader is clearly the winner here. Master Chief is an exceptional soldier but he is just a soldier. Vader can choke him from miles away.
that moment when you realize a technologically superior faction got its deadliest weapons rear kicked by a single fleet of a technologically inferior faction, after weighing laser type vs ballistics, I gotta hand the victory to the ballistics.
@@anon1403 okay,so pull out some acquired Covenant spaceship Tech and glass the target.If not use the Didact's "bio-digitalization" superweapon.Oh and prepare a good fleet for defense too as well as more covering fire. Don't forgot strap in some Human Fleet with very big MACs as support too.
Can’t see them either. The lasers a big bright sticks, bullets can’t even be seen. You can’t block em and to deflect with force you basically have to see them, right?
All the UNSC needs to do to score a win is get a nova bomb on the hull of the Death Star Or just drop chief into one of the hanger bays and just tell him: Shred
Well it is the truth. The Unsc don't have maneuverable enough ships to effectively Dodge the cannons without getting at least clipped. Its not entirely outside possibility but most ships that would get close would be destroyed.
The outcome of this engagement, a UNSC victory, would be even more likely if using their post human-covenant war ships. With the forerunner tech enabling far more accurate slip space jumps, if the fighters ever got too close, the fleet could simply make a jump to the opposite side of the death star and continue the bombardment, and if some fighters do happen to reach them, the shielding on the infinity class, Autumn class and strident class ships should hold them off for long enough.
@Travis L We got a Star Wars fanboy over here. And his range isn’t that long. He shut down ships a few thousand meters in the air at his max power, the distance between the Death Star and the fleet is much bigger.
technically isn't the Post Human-Covenant war ships not entirely using Forerunner and Ancient Human technology? Since iirc, correct me if I'm wrong, only UNSC Infinity had Forerunner shielding technology and a more advanced FTL technology.
@@ousamadearudesuwa And salvaged covenant tech of course (which is FAR more abundant and easy to acquire then forerunner tech usually is), with a lot of defecting engineers (both the species and actual engineers form a variety of species.), scientists and whatnot for good measure. Salvaged tech which they can study in relative peace with the war over. Halo 5 has things like a needler hog with energy shields for example.
Seeing one of the comments with the intent of Cortana interfacing with a terminal of a Death Star, I think a stealth approach of Spartans can actually be plausible
Love how everyone in the comments is commenting strategies and how they can land a pelican and sabotage the DS1 with a bomb, as if the UNSC can’t just sit out of the DS1’s range and shit on it with MACs endlessly
It’s not even effective. The Death Star’s shield protects it against debris billions of times heavier than a MAC round and moving slightly faster. A single spherical chunk of debris 60 km in radius and traveling at 15,000 km/s (the speed we see in the movie) has a KE of 2.6 trillion super-MAC rounds. It would take 55 years of continuous fire for the entire earth defense grid to fire that many rounds
@@patrickspeegle9558 Source for the shield strength because i can't find in the DeathStarTechnicalCompanion? The first death star mainly relied on turbo lasers for destroying debree. According to Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel, the Death Star was simply too large to have a single effective shield based inside the station. It had to make do with shielding for individual critical components and use armour, a considerable magnetic field and overlapping Turbolasers to protect the rest of the Station from orbital impacts. It also couldn't sustain the shielding in all the area's it even had shielding and fire all of its weapons batteries at the same time. offence and armor was the main defence. The macs would end up doing significant damage
yustformusic The source was my own. I walked through the calculations step-by-step, isn’t that source enough? They said in catalyst that they were working on the problem. As far as I know, we don’t know whether or not they succeeded, so they may have been able to resolve it and fully shield the station. This is the full quote that someone on the sci-fi stack exchange provided to explain why the Death Star’s shields didn’t protect against fighters (scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/150283/why-didnt-the-original-death-stars-shields-protect-against-small-fighters/150284#150284); “Our team is working on protecting something larger-with wider, impregnable coverage.” “Larger than a Venator-class Star Destroyer? Is this to parry some new weapons platform Dooku has in the works?” “So it would seem.” Considering it, Galen prized a marker from his pocket and started to sketch his thoughts onto a napkin. “In the short run you could consider shunting a shield’s absorbed energy into a heat sink, then employ neutrino radiators to return energy to the generators and projectors themselves. It’s similar to what we’ve been doing with lasing mediums and crystals. Of course, you need to be careful about overpumping.” He continued to sketch. “Maybe multiple shield generators distributed evenly across an entire hull to enhance coverage…” As you can see, the quote never outright says that they failed in their efforts to project a larger shield. It said that they’re working on it. And he said multiple generators distributed evenly across the entire hull, not multiple generators protecting critical components. To me that suggests that he’s planning on doing something similar to my idea, which was using many, many smaller generators to make it trivially easy. And it’s not a problem of power requirement: the Death Star can destroy a planet, which means it should be able to project a multi-petaton level shield with no noticeable power drop to the laser (even 4 petatons is 0.000076% of the MINIMUM amount of energy required to destroy an earth-like planet) One of these days I’ll read catalyst and see what’s what. Until such a time that someone can fully convince me that the Death Star had minimal shielding, I choose to believe otherwise from a lack of evidence. Edit: why is it that everyone uses those exact words every time? “According to Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel, the Death Star was simply too large to have a single effective shield based inside the station. It had to make do with shielding for individual critical components and use armour, a considerable magnetic field and overlapping Turbolasers to protect the rest of the Station from orbital impacts.”
yustformusic Ohhhh this is a different comment thread. I thought you were replying to a different comment of mine. In that case I’ll gladly copy and paste the calculations here “...As for how much of the debris actually hits DS1, we'll use a little more math. DS1 couldn't have been 2 million km from Alderaan when it was destroyed, because then the beam would be traveling faster than the speed of light, which is impossible. But we can calculate for both 200,000 km and 2 million km, if you like. Or any intermediate value we can both agree on I seriously doubt that the Death Star's armor is that strong. I feel like there had to have been kinetic shielding. I feel like that is inescapable. There is a possible explanation, though: the Death Star's shield may selectively block high-speed objects from passing through, but allow low-speed objects such as fighters, shuttles, and missiles. Another explanation is that the Death Star simply didn't raise its shields when the Rebel fighters were approaching. They may not have felt very threatened. I mean, I know that if I were in a moon-sized battle station, I wouldn't worry at all if I see a bunch of fightercraft approaching. By the time the imperials realized that there is a danger to the station, the rebel craft were already under the shield and nothing could be done but launch their own fighters. I suspect that the second theory is more likely, but there's no way to prove it. Naturally, since MAC rounds are high-speed objects, they'll be blocked by the shield in the first theory; but boarding craft and low-speed missiles like Archer missiles would be able to bypass the shield. If the first theory is the true case, it becomes extremely possible for the UNSC to destroy the Death Star, by detonating something such as a NOVA bomb inside the shield. Otherwise, the Death Star is invincible. So, to figure out how much mass would have hit the Death Star, first we have to make a couple critical assumptions (because I'd rather avoid painstaking analysis of the film. The first assumption is that the mass of Alderaan shot out in every direction equally. Essentially, I mean that there are no "blind spots" where someone could place their ship and have the debris sail harmlessly by. Similarly, there are no spots that are "safer." Every point a certain radius from the explosion is just as dangerous as every other point that same distance away. This simplifies the math greatly. The second assumption is that the average densities of Earth and Alderaan are the same. To start, we can express the amount of mass that will hit the Death Star as a percentage of of Alderaan's overall mass. To find this percentage, we need to know how far away from Alderaan the DS was and the profile area of the DS facing the epicenter of the explosion. Both of these are quite simple. Wookieepedia.com/wiki/Alderaan gives the diameter of Alderaan as 12,500 km, or a radius of 6,250 km (slightly smaller than Earth's). Volume of Alderaan = 4/3 * pi * (6,250,000m)^3 Volume of Alderaan = 10^21 m^3 Mass of Alderaan = Average density of Earth * Volume of Alderaan Mass of Alderaan = 5,515kg/m^3 * 10^21 m^3 Mass of Alderaan = 5.6x10^24 kg So we find that Alderaan's mass is slightly smaller than Earth's (5.97x10^24 kg), which is to be expected because Alderaan's radius is slightly smaller. Now we also need to know the profile area of the Death Star. And since the DS is (approximately) a sphere, its profile area will always be a circle. Wookieepedia.com/wiki/DS-1_Orbital_Battle_Station cites the Death Star's diameter as 160 km, or a radius of 80,000 meters. Profile area = pi * radius^2 Profile area = pi * (80,000m)^2 Profile area = 2x10^10 m^2 The final thing we need to figure the percentage is the surface area of a sphere with a radius equal to the distance between the DS and Alderaan, or 200,000km plus the radius of the planet, 6,250 km. Surface area of sphere = 4 * pi * r^2 Surface area of sphere = 4 * pi * (206,250,000m)^2 Surface area of sphere = 5.35x10^17 m^2 The final thing we need to do is to multiply the mass of Alderaan by the profile area of the Death Star and to divide by the surface area of the giant sphere. Percentage = Profile area of DS / Surface area of the big sphere * 100 Percentage = 2x10^10 m^2 / 5.35x10^17 m^2 * 100 Percentage = 0.00000004 * 100 So, 0.000004% of Alderaan's mass would strike the Death Star. Mass of projectile = 0.00000004 * 5.6x10^24 kg Mass of projectile = 2.1x10^17 kg, or 70 billion times more massive than a SMAC round KE of mass = 0.5mv^2 KE of mass = 0.5 * (2.1x10^17 kg) * (15,000,000m)^2 KE of mass = 2.4x10^31 J, or 5.7 trillion gigatons. That's the result: 5.7 trillion gigatons. Interestingly, this is significantly smaller than my previous calculation for a single rock. (In that calculation I got 134 trillion gigatons). It seems that on a small scale, the math is rather inaccurate, and when you take the math to the large scale, it becomes far more accurate and consequently the number shrinks. A lot. The final result, which is as close to reality as I can get without painstaking analysis, is that the Death Star's shields absorbed the equivalent of over 100 billion SMAC rounds fired at full power.”
One other point the UNSC has is that they have Shiva nukes. Between mac blasts drilling holes in the armor and then dropping nukes inside it more then doubles their damage output. And also the tie's wouldn't be to difficult to deal with, given that they are unshielded and the UNSC has missile spam out the wazzu with the addition of point defense the ties would be running blind into hell fire. Or in combination with my other point fire a nuke into a large grouping of them and vaporize them.
It could easily turn into a war of attrition. The empire would remain on the defensive with the death star while the UNSC home fleet would be pounding it. Until the first runs out of starfighters and defensive modules on a region or the other runs out of both ammo and small vessels.
to be fair like half the station or more is essentially just a massive fusion generator but yeah seeing as us navy carrier has a crew of 4000, the death star should, in theory, have a crew in the hundreds of thousands or millions. But i guess it's not meant to be a living base, just a really fucking big weapon.
@@Jordonzo millions? Look at earth. Yes its a planet and I know the death star is much smaller but there are more than 7 billion people living on just earth's surface. The death star is a space station with an interior all the way through. There should be AT LEAST billions of crew if not trillions inhabiting its many levels, each with the capacity of the size of a small moon. Especially since we see so many people in the tiny fraction of a fraction of what we see of the interior during episode 4.
@@bobbyflynn6352 true, but again, most of the the death star is mostly empty space, the interior is mostly taken up by the fusion generator as we see in return of the jedi, and even outside of that, much of the station is ventilation shafts, storage, fuel depots, and cooling devices, after all it is a massive laser weapon and thus heat generated would be extreme. Plus a large portion of its operations are probably handled by droids.
@@Jordonzo those droids would require maintenance. Plus even if only the outer kilometer was living/work space that would still be millions of people. Considering that a single star destroyer had a crew of nearly 50,000 a moon sized space station would reasonably require many more. Even if 90% of it is machinery, that still leaves hundreds of cubic kilometers for crew.
@@Jordonzo FYI the death star has a volume of over 14 million cubic kilometers so let's say hypothetically that 99% of it is armor, machinery, or otherwise uninhabitable. That leaves 141,367 cubic kilometers for the crew.
I think the issue that isn't addressed is the deatstar doesn't move very fast, but it doesn't need to if ships are trying to circle around it from a distance. (Think of a gate. The hinges don't move at the same speed the end of the gate moves) Also I think they don't need a strait line, as depicted anyways, for the deatstar to target a ship with its lasers. (RotJ ds blowing up their capital ships for example) and in a strait up fight it comes down to Unsc fraying the laser out of commission before their fleet is annihilated. That being said looking at numbers, that's not really a lot of men defending the Ds. Vader won't necessarily be on it, making a full fledged invasion the best option, while the capital ships distracts the fighters/Ds from invasion force. Also....how far is the tractor beam on the ds. Could it not, theoretically drag ships into its kill zones?
Check the Return of the Jedi deleted scenes. the death star 2 (the bigger one) can do a full 180 in about the same time it took fighters to enter the core and get out. (Moff Jerjerod hesitates for a moment before following the emperor's order to destroy endor- with the empire's legions on planet- which was the difference between getting the shot off on the planet or not. This arc also made it into the Return of the Jedi novelization.
the side the focusing has less turbolasers. The "rear" of the deathstar has a higher turbolaser count and stronger armor because it doesnt have a giant piece of laser equipment covering its face
The Dish would actually be an optimal point of attack. Not only is the armor weakest there, but its where the majority of the DS's energy is managed. Leading straight to the core.
The Superlaser isnt the only weapons on the Death Star, it has more firepower loaded onto it than 100 Imperial Starfleets worth of destroyers with the range of the biggest of their warships. You're not winning a straight on fight with the Death Star, any ship bigger than a freighter that tries will get shredded by the defensive screen, the only reason the X-wings were able to get in under them is because the Empire doesnt consider them a large threat, and even then they had buttfucktons of TIE fighters to just puke at them ,and only by a miracle and a lucky shot did they succeed.
@@Chuuhya sure but with vader they make a dangerous combo. Vader alone can solo blue team but with imperial guards it makes it even easier, chief might be able to handle them but they would at least temporarily occupy his fellow spartans while vader kills chief himself.
@@glasswulf6346 Cortana couldn't do anything, Chief would die before she can get into the death star's systems. before he could manually send her in darth vader would snap his neck. even if she was allowed to enter the systems, darth vader would still kill chief and the spartans and the inquisitors and tons of ships and star destroyers would be left to finish the unsc. if Vader or a few inquisitors got on the unsc flagships they would checkmate them right there.
Golemdoom Ha well if you think about it...... if you send over some Spartans to board the enemy Death Star it would be something huge since then you have enemy technology, information, top secret shit, their huge ass laser weapons and the shields....... and if you scrap the whole thing the UNSC navy will go from thousands of ships to millions
Imperial officer: "Sir an unknown fleet has appeared in front of us. Your orders?" Tarkin: "Fire when ready, show these upstarts what the empire is capable of" *Death star fires a single laser into the fleet, destroying one of the bigger ships.* Imperial officer: "Sir, sensors have picked up a large spike in energy on the bows of each vessel." Tarkin: "Prepare the turbolaser batteries. If they want to fire upon this station they can't be that far away" *UNSC Fleet unleashes a hundred mac rounds simultaneously all the while launching all the missiles including nukes* Tarkin: "Slug throwers? Ha!" *Death star fires once more, taking out another ship* Tarkin: "These upstarts have no clue the power of this batt-" *MAC rounds hit the laser dish, punching though the armor and decks like a battering ram.* Tarkin: *is thrown onto the deck as the entire station shudders violently.* Imperial officer: "Sir, the main weapon is off line!" Tarkin: *Stands and opens his mouth to shout an order when he is interrupted* Imperial officer: "Sir, the ships have fired again!" *The second batch of MAC rounds hit the same spot punching further into the hull. At the same time the thousands of missiles impact all over the hull of the death star causing mass explosive decompression. At the same time the nukes detonate sending EMPs throughout the ship, shutting down entire sections of the ship* Tarkin: "Get this station out of here!" Emperial officer: "Sir, main engines are offline!" *The death star is then bombarded into smithereens by both nukes, MAC rounds and Missiles over the course of a few hours.
Outcast Redeemer *Suddenly over 30 Star Destroyers jump in because Tarkin sent a distress signal, being forced to divert their attention away from the Death Star and being assaulted by capital ships and thousands of TIE fighters the USNC must disengage or die
Then the UNSC respondes by firing thousands of archer missiles and thousands point defence guns at the TIE fighters and turn their MACs onto the 30 Star Destroyers and proceed to decimate the fleet with thousands of MAC rounds fired from THOUSANDS of UNSC ships. Disengage or die? The UNSC does not back down without a fight, and they do have the weapons to fend of star destroyers.
Galactic Empire: We have a weapon that can destroy planets. UNSC: Really? That's cute, one of our Spartan II's just destroyed a weapon that can murder a large swath of the galaxy (25,000 light year radius instantly).
"I don't think there's any way that he could make it through the ship and reach something critical." Halo Legends Episode: The Package: "AM I A JOKE TO YOU!?"
the biggest issue the unsc had with covenant ships was that their macs could not fire fast enough. mac cannons take a lot of energy to fire, the orbital platforms had entire power plants planet side to keep a single platform firing continuously, and the ship based macs would take minutes to recharge. a single mac shot hitting a covenant ship would break the shields but by the time the cannon had recharged the covenant ships shields had recharged as well. to counter this the unsc started using ship AIs to coordinate fire between multiple ships to all focus on single targets. using the AIs they would pump out a continuous volume of fire all targeted at whichever covenant ship posed the biggest threat. they would also combine mac fire with tactical nukes, firing the nukes minutes before hand, waiting to fire the macs while the nuke traveled to its target. then firing their macs seconds before it detonated to break shields. in orbital battles they would even fire their nukes in the opposite direction. the nuke would orbit around the other side of the planet and come from behind the covenant fleet. against the death star the unsc shipboard AIs would be able to punch a hole clear through in a matter of minutes.
I agree with all of this while he understood that Macs range would not be an issue. If you launch a multi ton bullet at speeds approching the speed of light doesn't matter you have 30km thick armor. Small mentors hit earth at only super to hyper sonic speeds with devestating effect.
mogetfog a piece of planetary debris is the kinetic energy equivalent of billions of super-MAC rounds. The Death Star could just sit there forever and laugh as the UNSC fleet fires away impotently xXstandstillXx MAC rounds don’t come close to approaching the speed of light. They’re at 4%, 1/25th of the speed of light. Besides, the Death Star’s shield can withstand so many MAC rounds that it’s, for all intents and purposes, impregnable jake smith No, it’s 63 kilotons because velocity is 30 km/s, not 600. I get my information straight from the Halopedia website, so...
@@patrickspeegle9558 I would like to see your math please. Also I got my information from the Halo wiki (and just double checked with halo: the fall of reach). I admit I was wrong about that. However I still want to see your math in relation to what you said about the debries? And how strong the death star is.
Is everyone forgetting what they did in Reach with their improvised slip space bomb? If a small X-Wing could get close all the UNSC need is one suicidal recruit to teleport the Death Star into oblivion.
I was. . . I was making a bad joke about the safety concerns of slip-space technology. Literally just moving a capital ship sized chunk of the death-star somewhere else would no doubt be a smart move. If the video was dealing with Halo 4+ lore instead of the state of humanity in Halo 2, then it'd just be all about sending a spartan team in to infiltrate their way into the main reactor of the death-star before activating the 'warp bomb'. It'd be a lot more efficient than just deleting a portion of the outer hull.
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Can the Death Star Destroy the Harvesters Capital Ship from Independence Day 2
*Empire:* Builds a moon-sized superlaser.
*UNSC:* Throws rocks at it really, really hard.
When i was in The core We had 2 sticks and one rock and we had to share the rock!
*Throws rock*
Joseph Stalin ah the childhood nostalgia...
"humanity is a species that has perfected the art of throwing rocks"
...And we have to share the rock - Sgt. Johnson
"Target their capital ships!"
"We are trying sir but they keep maneuvering away!"
"Sir incoming transmission from the UNSC fleet"
"Put it on."
*MC Hammer Can't touch this starts playing at full volume*
Suggesting that that 90s music is still available in 500 something years
Alphachief2017 why of course
I want to see that now
Alphachief2017 "why do we always have to listen to this old stuff sarge?"
Who put Johnson in charge of the comms? They deserve a medal!
*laughs heartily*
*grins*
"Star Wars doesn't have ship AI's!"
“I need you to talk to the Falcon and find out what's wrong with the hyperdrive.”
Are you sure about that?
@@Myuutsuu85 Diagnostic checks/ check engine lights?
@@glasswulf6346 could be, but very unlikely. I do not know many engeneers or mechanics, that "talk" to their machines in that regard.
@@Myuutsuu85 Ah you put the ler in Muffler
They do actually have AI in their ships. BUT it's not as advanced as Halo AI. Honestly I don't see why star wars doesn't use AI the same way as Halo. They have figured out how to basically "cure" rampancy by deleting their memories. And in R2s case he didn't go rambant. Well, at least not in a bad way.
25k Stormtroopers running in fear screaming DEMON!
..that is all
Lol'd hard
I don't think Chief would survive Vader. No amount of luck in the Galaxy is going to overpower the Force, especially when Vader can just lift Chief up with it and casually walk forwards with his Lightsaber held out to kill him. I mean, Energy Swords one shot Spartans, and I don't think they have anywhere near the same power output as a Lightsaber, considering Energy Swords can't seem to really damage even lightly armoured vehicles.
Jenn idk man, Chief has some insane luck.
@@Jenn-lq9yu last time someone tried to lift chief with the force it didnt work out so well for them
@@Jenn-lq9yu We're talking about an invincible video game hero versus a movie villain who redeemed himself in death... Chief simply waits floating in mid-air for Vader to get close enough, then kicks the light saber so it destroys Vader's life support system! I'm not sure a canonical force choke would even work unless Stormtroopers could knock Chief unconscious and somehow take off his Mjolnir power armor first... it seems to mostly be used against officers and security that are at best wearing a hard hat and Spartans are surgically enhanced!
Don't forget that Chief usually also has Cortana's assistance and picks up a lot of alien goodies along the way, possibly even finding Obi-Wan's light saber!!! I just don't see how Vader can cause enough damage for a decisive victory. Darth Sidious' lightning seems like child's play to dodge with Spartan-2 reflexes, so without someone as over powered as Darth Plagueis... but if the expanded universes get involved, John-117 becomes even more powerful as the Forerunner heir!
Additionally, the new Disney movies have absolutely nerfed light sabers! If they weren't weaker than Sangheili energy swords before, they certainly are now.
Hang on a moment.. Since when was the DS1 capable of hitting capital ships? I thought only the DS2 had the targeting capabilities required for that.
The DS1 never faced off against capital ships but we assume it has the same capabilities as the DS2 in that regard
If you think about it, it doesn’t really make any sense for it to be able to fire at capital ships. The DS-1’s lowest firing mode was able to pretty much blast an entire continent into the stratosphere as seen in rouge one. That kind of power would be massively wasted on almost any capital ship ever designed, and especially on any capital ship the rebellion was capable of fielding. Given that the enemy ships would have to enter the DS-1s turbolaser range to mount a direct assault on the station, and the DS-1 was bountifully equipped with conventional weaponry, it would be highly illogical for that feature to be added. I don’t think it would be added solely based on the fact that it would be completely impractical to actually do. The DS-1 was not designed with the mindset of picking off capital ships at long range, if it was, there would be several more economical ways to go about doing that than the DS-1.
Well,in legends before the rebels had access to the plans of the deathstar the moment they heard of it they scrambled a task force,of like 500 fighters launched by one lucrehulk,and the deathstar at 2% power capability destroyed the smaller battle station in a single blast as the TIEs and 2 star destroyers stationed there at the time took care of the fighters
@@starmada105 that wasn't the lowest power for the laser. That was them just deciding to use one of the three huge reactors at max to blow up the city. And as it is shown in a later comic it was too much. The laser is scalable in power when it fires.
Me: Chief could wipe out 25,000 storm troopers
Vader: were it so easy.
Vader is another story... Its will come down to basic trickery if cheif beats him... For example using a plasma grenade when he can't see it destroying the suit and killing vader.... Thats if he doesn't find a way to wreck the mjolnir with the force first
Isaac J yeah but no cuz chief is too heavy to lift with the force and is WAY faster than Vader so.....
apóvlitos Well Lightsabers can’t do shit against conventional weapons.
Well mjolnir actually has a energy shield right... So ofc energy weapons are useless
But guns in the star wars universe go faster than lasers so master chief would just shoot him with a rifle.
Unfortunately, we know how the Imperial Navy likes to underestimate their enemies, so I think we're looking at something even more one-sided in favor of the UNSC. The UNSC has something to benefit them in the form of nearly 80 MAC blasts per minute for several minutes until the DS whittles them down or until they crack the hull of the DS, the latter option I think would be more likely.
All-in-all, I estimate that the engagement ranges of the targets and the various strategies of available forces would lead to the same one-sided victory. I see no way for the Death Star alone to win in a fight with the UNSC.
Timeline:
00:00:00
-UNSC forces slipspace jump into abandoned system for this fight.
-Imperial Death Star drops out of hyperspace into abandoned system for the fight.
00:00:10
-UNSC forces complete their slipspace jump, both sides have roughly thirty minutes before they detect the arrival of the other.
-Imperial Death Star begins passively surveying system for hostile forces.
00:05:00
-UNSC forces have taken roll call and determined of 80 available ships, 70 have arrived in relatively combat effective positions with 2 complete losses from collisions on exit from slipspace or total missing in action. The remaining 8 are entirely out of position within the system and will be combat ineffective for the battle.
-Imperial Death Star continues to scan for hostile forces. One contact detected coming out of Slipspace within near range, the order is given to withhold fire, but to deploy five squadrons of TIE Fighters and two squadrons of TIE Bombers to engage the enemy vessel.
00:10:00
-UNSC AI have formulated a fleet formation and have begun to steer all UNSC vessels into a large stacked formation pushing into the heart of the system. The lone UNSC vessel (we'll say it's a Stalwart) recognizes the hostile target and immediately begins evasive maneuvers while broadcasting footage of the target. It readies itself for the engagement with inbound enemy fighters by opening up with a salvo of Point-Defense Fire while the TIE Fighters are still out of weapons range and scrambles it's 6 Pelicans, beginning to arm them with rocket pods and chain-weapon ammunition.
-Imperial Strategists begin to take note of shield deficiency in detected enemy capital ship and begin to pick up the signatures of the Slipspace Ruptures from the first arrivals of the UNSC Defense Fleet. TIE Fighters from the DS have traveled one-tenth of the distance needed to engage lone Stalwart Class Frigate.
00:12:00
-UNSC AI have detected the enemy battlestation and have begun to analyze it's structure looking for potential weak spots or focal points. Within a minute they have detected the main laser dish of the superweapon and have determined it to be a priority target for the fleet. Target solutions begin to be crunched as the UNSC fleet is restructured to offer a wider and more spaced out formation to avoid potential collateral damage from the main superlaser and any inbound fire from the battlestation. The lone UNSC Frigate moves to retreat towards main fleet leaving four pelicans as a screening force behind the ship. Two Archer Missile pods are emptied to attempt to thin out the incoming TIE Fighters, Pelican gunships pull targeting solutions on incoming fighters to also supplement Archer missile fire. Multiple salvos of PDC are still flying through space towards the TIE fighters, but represent a minimal threat with dispersion at nearly 1 meter per 10 kilometers.
-Imperial Strategists support a tactic of disabling the fleeing Stalwart frigate to enable TIE Fighters and Bombers to engage while the UNSC Fleet charges in order to display the strength of the Death Star and force a capitulation early. TIE assault wing is roughly 12% of the distance needed to engage the withdrawing Frigate.
00:15:00
-UNSC AI have analyzed initial battle footage between the lone Stalwart that dropped in closer to the Death Star and have determined it acts in much of the same capacity as a Covenant Supercarrier. It is determined that it has a mass equal to a small moon or planetoid and firing computers report a target solution enabling the first salvo of MAC rounds to be fired. 72 MAC Rounds fire with 90% on-target at distance. The lone Stalwart has now emptied a second pair of Archer missile pods and continues to fire in lanes to isolate the directions in which the TIE Fighters can approach the vessel from behind as it retreats. Pelican gunships travelling behind the Frigate obtain target lock and fire double salvos of ANVIL-II missiles. Initial wave of Archer Missiles from first Stalwart Salvo are now 25% of the way to engaging the enemy TIE formation.
-Imperial strategists prepare a target solution on the starboard engine pod of the fleeing Stalwart to incapacitate it and to force it to engage the incoming fighters. Analysis of the incoming missiles and projectiles suggest high technological disparity between the enemy forces and the Imperial Navy solidifying the possibility of an Imperial victory. TIE fighters are now 24% of the distance needed to engage the withdrawing Frigate.
00:20:00
-UNSC AI have drawn a second target solution on the enemy battlestation and fire another salvo of round with higher accuracy, enabling 95% of rounds to be fired on target. The fleet continues to approach the enemy battlestation at full-burn while target solution with Archer missile pods are obtained. Twelve Shiva-class nuclear warheads are prepped through the fleet to be fired within the initial missile salvo. Lone Stalwart preps its Shiva nuclear missile and fires it alongside two more Archer Missile pods. Pelican gunships engage with a second salvo of ANVIL-II missiles on enemy fighters. PDC firing lanes shift in order to create confusion in TIE Fighter/Bomber approach patterns. First salvo of Archer Missiles are now 75% of the distance to engaging the enemy TIE formation.
-Imperial strategists inform the battlestation commander of inbound kinetic projectile fire from main enemy fleet. Shields are ordered to full across the face of the main laser dish while additional security precautions are taken to avoid potential catastrophic overload in the event of shield breach. Additional Ten TIE assault Wings are scrambled as battlestation prepares for engagement with possible enemy starfighters. Multiple torpedoes detected as having been fired from UNSC frigate, TIE's are ordered into defensive formation to lessen impact of potential missiles on the group. They are now 48% of the distance from engaging the hostile Frigate. Death Star superlaser is given target solution and ordered to 2% strength to fire. Main cannon fires and strikes lone Stalwart class frigate. Frigate is heavily damaged and incapacitated by the shot, forcing it to carry out an emergency shutdown of it's reactors to avoid potential overload while purging its Shaw-Fujikawa slipspace drive. Cole Protocol is prepped while the ship's main PDC complement is brought to quarter-strength to preserve fire.
00:25:00
-UNSC AI have determined nature of hostile superweapon and enact evasive maneuvers to prevent potential weapons' lock. Superlaser fire is detected and hit on lone Stalwart registered. Last transmissions from ship's AI before long-range comms went down relays effects of superlaser. Information is analyzed within a second and fleet formation and spacing opened to avoid potential harmful effects of superlaser radiation in the event of a potential near-miss. Third , Fourth, and Fifth Salvos of MAC cannon rounds fired with approximate 99% accuracy within a kilometer-wide point-target on the face of the Death Star superlaser dish. Lone Stalwart reroutes power from engines into life support and communications while shunting excess into main and auxiliary fire-control and point-defense systems. Frigate's Point-Def Cannons return to 80% function while Pelican screen empties remaining missiles from ANVIL-II Missile pods and returns to the Frigate for rearming. Point-Defense lanes shift again to forces maneuvers from TIE formation inbound. First Salvo of Archer missiles approach and engage the TIE formation. TIE pilots are elite and well-trained and maneuver to avoid impacts from the warheads however proximity-fuse warheads and superior maneuvering capabilities enable missiles to damage or destroy outright almost 30% of the TIE formation. TIE formation breaks up to reform into more spaced hold. Approximately 8 TIE Fighters and 2 TIE Bombers destroyed or rendered combat ineffective. Fourth Salvo of Archer Missiles are launched and rest are reserved for point-defense options. Second Salvo is approximately 80% of the distance to engaging the enemy TIE Formation. Third Salvo is approximately 50% of the distance to engaging the enemy TIE Formation. First MAC salvos from main fleet are now approximately 2.3% of the distance to striking the enemy.
-Imperial Strategists note effective guidance systems and proximity detonation warheads of the first salvo of hostile torpedoes. The order to deploy gunboats and larger craft to engage the potentially dangerous light frigate is given. Four squadrons of TIE Fighters alongside an additional squadron of Gunboats are launched to comprise a anti-ship group. Additional groups are scrambled and the first wave of TIE Assault Wings are given the order to begin approach to enemy fleet to engage their main capital ships. Incoming projectiles from the main fleet are detected and analyzed. Potential damage estimates are expected to be minimal and shield strength is lessened to preserve power for the main weapon. Main laser is recharged within three minutes of last shot and targeting computers begin to pull a target solution on enemy fleet.
(I'll continue this at another time if this seems an interesting enough analysis of the timeline of events the battle would take.)
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The UNSC is using projectile weapons and the laser point defense capabilities of Star Wars ships are well known. They’d just melt all the Mac rounds and blow up all the missiles as they came in. Those that hit the Death Star won’t break through the 3 kilometers of armor. The UNSC would run out of ammo, and all of their ships would be hit with the 750 tractor beam arrays that have extremely long range. The UNSC ships would get lasered to death or get pulled in and get lasered to death by the ten thousand turbo lasers and thousands of strike craft. The best weapon the UNSC has are the shiva nukes, actually, but those will also get lasered by point defenses.
@@theetiologist9539 Ah yes, the laser point defenses that let 30 starfighters close to point blank range in order to hit an incredibly 'small' target with precision... Those point defenses?
Additionally, I see nothing about armor on the DS-1 from the wookiepedia or any other sources. The most I see the Death Star having is shields, but we've seen the effect shields had on the fighters. A light jostling. If the shields had any effect on weapons, they were only for plasma/laser types, not kinetics and missiles.
Additionally, it's the incredibly close ranges that the Empire prefers to fight at, that would take them down. Hubris and desiring to show their own 'superiority' would be incredibly lethal. The Humans from the halo-verse have become familiar with fighting at literal light-seconds in distance, not the hundreds or thousands of kilometers which aren't even effective for the 'advanced' weapons used on the DS-1.
Additionally, those turbolasers, as well as deflector shield towers and tractor beam towers, weren't adequately shielded. The DS-1 wasn't prepared for KKW's because no one in the Star Wars universe has canonically used them for thousands of years... because they were considered 'wasteful' and 'primitive'. But for a society that advanced on the principles of utilizing the maximum levels of accuracy for those weapons... it gets bad. Real bad. Real fast. But not for the guys using 'slug throwers' as they're called in Star Wars.
Master Chief made it through High Charity twice dealing with both Covenant and Flood. I don’t think he’ll be scared of Stormtroopers who can’t even see their own blaster
Stormtroopers who have bullet proof armor
@@pooroldman5089 just give chef a plasma rifle that's essentially the same thing as your average blaster and those are pretty effective against storm trooper armor
@@pooroldman5089the "slugthrowers" in Star Wars are basically arrows compared to the UNSC bullets.
Empire: we have the death star
Unsc: we have master chief
I can explain my profile pic *the avengers conference call in* we have a hulk
Empire: we have a Emperor, Vader, Thrawn and so on
The flood:its free real estate while high charity hits the death star
@@therevanchist1123 Irrelevant. We have Nova Bombs, nuff said.
@@therevanchist1123 ....we have master chief....
UNSC massively outranges the Death Star with their MACs, overloading shielding and striking the superlaser and surface turbolasers. MACs are also used in formation to cover the largest target area, so they can be used to wipe out waves of incoming TIEs. If that doesn't work, the point defenses and missile pods on the cap ships and frigates can take care of the fragile unshielded TIEs (does expose them to effective laser fire tho).
They can also launch small fighters to launch nukes and destroy turbolasers on the surface that the MACs miss, as well as tie up remaining TIEs from the station.
Pelicans will then be able to land marines in exposed areas and on the surface, but at close range the marines will suffer losses to laser fire if they push through the hallways due to inadequate energy protection. Most likely they will be recon in force, capturing officers and tech for info on the station and its internal defenses. Assuming language barrier from English to Galactic Basic, shipboard AIs may be able to handle and process captured intel. After locations of command staff, power production and life support are revealed, marines may plant SHIVA nukes or a big ass NOVA bomb to destroy the station from the inside, assuming MAC and missile bombardment is ineffective. Or they can attempt the capture of command staff to attempt to force a surrender.
BUT, knowing Star Wars, Vader will show up and destroy every single ship in his TIE Advanced. By himself. And then proceed to choke and smoke every marine on the station.
Every time I play some space game the kinetic weapon always out range the laser weapon......you can't miss when your target is half size of the moon.
Its space... there is no “out range”
Vader may be maneuverable but you dont outmaneuver nuclear mines...
Are you talking about the turbolasers or the superlaser when you say the MAC outranges the Death Star? Alderaan’s relative size to the DS says that it was about 200,000 km away, and the beam traveled the distance in less than a second. Against a stationary target, the superlaser’s range is literally unlimited. It travels 25 times faster than even a super-MAC round.
No realistic amount of MAC rounds will crack the Death Star’s shield. For standard MACs, the ones mounted on ships like the Halcyon-class, you can just forget it. Not happening. For super-MACs, like the ones on orbital defense platforms, it’s still not feasible. The Death Star’s shield has to protect it against all the flying debris from planets exploding. A state-sized chunk of rock traveling at 15,000 km/s packs a LOT more punch than a MAC round. Assuming a spherical chunk 60km in radius that has the same density of the Moon and traveling at the 15,000 km/s of much of the Alderaan debris, its kinetic energy is equal to 1.6 trillion super-MAC rounds. It would take the entire Earth defense grid of 300 OWPs shooting one round every 5 seconds almost 34 years to equal that energy
Do you really think that the UNSC can interrogate imperial officers in a realistic timeframe for it to be useful in this engagement? If they return to the fleet before interrogation, the Death Star’s turbolasers will likely shoot it down, killing the prisoner. If they don’t take the prisoner to the fleet, they’ll be under constant attack by imperial forces and in constant danger of their interrogation being interrupted. Either way, they’d have to interrogate for at least several hours, though I would expect at least a day before any real useful information is revealed, if ever. I also don’t expect stolen tech to reveal any truly useful information, but that’s debatable
Why bother attempting to gather all that intel if they’re just going to plant a NOVA bomb and destroy the entire station?
Once the Death Star commander realized the primary weapon was disabled and the UNSC's tactics were too effective, he probably would have ordered a retreat. The Death Star would have disappeared into hyperspace before sustaining critical damage.
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The death stars engines would probably be disabled after the first barrage
Justin Norman The death star doesn’t have engines, just a hyperspace drive
@@remenencenda768 It does have engines and can move through normal space. Hence how it was able to move around the planet Yavin and get in range of the rebel base.
catmani2 That was its orbit around yavin dummy
I would strongly agree with your conclusion. Because the UNSC uses physical projectiles and not energy based ones, their range in space pretty much has no limits other that their ability to track a target. Thanks to this they could be firing their shells from outside observable distances, and this would make it impossible for the death star to make anything other than guess shots at the UNSC fleet with the super laser.
Nidhoggr plus if fighters would engage, unsc broadswords might have bvr missiles which can take care of those tie fighters
The fighters would be a non issue anyway, because the engagement range would be so insanely vast that they would never be able to get in range before the UNSC destroyed the deathstar.
And at that point they could easily mop up the fighters with fighters of their own and overlapping AA fire.
Also since T Fighters don't use shields and are basically flimsy flying coffins they would be eviscerated by the AA rail guns that the UNSC uses.
Or as I would do they could just broadcast an ultimatum to the fighters that would be left without a base to either surrender or be left to die in their Ties.
Guess shots could be bad though. If a planet-buster shot were fired at extreme range...the energy doesn't disappear, it spreads out. If aimed properly the superlaser could conceivably vaporize a significant chunk of the fleet in one shot. One shot is all they'd get, of course.
The act of the bean spreading out IS dissipation. As the beam spreads out it would do so in a cone and become weaker and weaker as the power is spread out and if the range was far enough it would have spread out too much for the particles to do serious damage.
I don't think we're actually getting a proper reading on effective ranges here. Star Destroyers, using Turbo-lasers, could bombard planets from orbit. I somehow doubt the Death Star's are any less effective, and even if they were plasma based rather than photon streams (ie, actual lasers), they still outrange (and outspeed) solid projectiles to a hilarious degree.
MAC cannons are insanely powerful, and they would be highly effective. But 4 km of shielding is not a small amount, EckhartsLadder's severe underestimation of the Death Star's range, and the effectiveness of Tie fighters (which are literally known for being fast and agile) and Bombers (which are not canonically known to be part of the Death Star's complement, but there's literally no reason they wouldn't have them) would, I think, give the edge to the Death Star to a hilarious degree.
What I'd like to see is the Executor vs the Infinity. That's a fight that might be a fair bit closer!
While AI's in Star Wars Exist..they are constantly memory wiped and while they do have human level intelligence, they are more like humans than true virtual entities.
AI's in Halo although are designed for combat, so won't they attack the mainframe and try to lock down all systems they can in Death Star or start catastrophic reactions here and there?
If Artoo can hack them, I am pretty sure AI from Halo can do it too...if even more easily.
cortana could just vent all the atmosphere killing the full compliment then the unsc could board really easly
think about what Cortana can do
So a few things that I feel we're glossed over.
1. The presence of at least 1 smart AI within the UNSC fleet would have an effect on their fighting ability
2. The UNSC point defense systems are fairly decent to deal with tie fighters. Tie fighters are lightly armored and unshielded, just a few kinetic rounds through the fuselage would deal critical damage.
3. Most ships in the UNSC fleet use a thick titanium A armor plate, which I feel could fair well against some of the smaller batteries of the DS1.
Also what about the use of Shiva nuclear warheads against the DS1?
Stephen D Don't forget about the NOVA bomb
Fairly decent? more like overkill lol
Gotta remember the DS1 is heavily shielded and was designed to take on a force even bigger than the home fleet
while yes the DS1 is big and can take a beating. consistent hits from MACs and a few nukes or even a large barrage of archer and hellfire missiles would do catastrophic dmg
Silver Echo I honestly believe the damage will mainly he superficial, the battlestation may be out ranged but I feel logistically, durability wise, and the potential reinforcements will beat the home fleet.
I mean it was designed to take on entire fleets of ships and obliterate planets as an icon of terror. It has its own form of shielding and the armor is so heavy while also featuring a huge complement and thick plating even a nuke wont do shit against it, and if the unsc wanted to do more in regard to precision attacks they would enter the range of the turbolaser batteries that’ll melt them into slag. Hell even at an extended range the sheer wall of the turblolasera could wipe the fleet out. And since things were more needed for direct input and partially analog and not digital the affect of an AI that wasnt directly connected wouldnt matter at all.
All in all this was a poor comparison video.
One of the Halo books had an ODST mission, everyone carrying demo charges, some nuclear. It was intended as a borderline one-way sabotage, and it worked. Very few survivors, but the charges carried by the now-fallen Helljumpers were in adequate positions to cause quite a bit of damage.
An ODST raid following that template might be a good choice. Have all the charges synchronized, and try to plant them & escape. Plausible worst case? Unit wiped out fighting their way through, and the charges go.
Makes me wonder if the UNSC can just keep hammering until they breach the hull of the Death Star then just nuje the think to death. I'd imagine with it's thick armor, the nuke would be pretty effective. Or hell, nuke/Mac spam the super laser dish.
Altogether, I 100% see the UNSC winning this. The Death Star is such a heavily flawed station, especially if we're talking about fighting the first one. What the UNSC is good at is working as a unit to destroy a single target.
Tarkin: “you may fire when ready”
**Entirety of unsc: surprised pikachu face
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the ships that the Death Star could not aim at:Fire the MAC CANNONS
@@brianstabile165 Tarkin: Send out the tie fighters
@@resentfuldragon tie fighters: What are those big humans coming from the ship?
@@resentfuldragon think a formation of unshielded TIEs could withstand the radiation and EMP of a nuclear weapon?
@@joshuahadams you think the nuke would be able to hit the ties? the unsc would get blitz ez. Especially when we are talkin chief vs vader
Not only would the UNSC have MAC rounds, they would also be firing a near endless barrage of missles, both standard and nuclear. And given the size of the death star, it could not use it’s entire collection of turbo lasers to screen missles. That many targets could possibly allow some boarding parties to reach the station, and once inside, a spartan assault team would tear through stormtroopers.
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Any trooper unfortunate enough to be in the path of a Spartan boarding party, would be little more than a grease stain on the deck. In a run and gun fight through confined corridors and spaces of a station like the deathstar, Spartans would be nearly unstoppable.
The best bet stormtroopers would have at stopping Spartan on board the deathstar is to slow them down, by dropping every single blast door as soon as they are discovered and then overwhelm them with sheer numbers.
@@thesenate6482 they've dealt with worse from hunters plasma cannons, and you're assuming Spartans would stupidly stand around like a bunch of stormtroopers and wait to be lit on fire, the find have show very well how poor most troopers skills are. After all it's well known palpatine doesn't want his forces too strong or officers too smart, he's set up the empire so it's just effective enough to rule most of the Galaxy, but weak enough that he can rule it without fear of a coupe .
@@thesenate6482 Cortana or any other a.i. could easily override any gun locking protocols, giving the Spartans plenty of weapons. And they can Chuck tie fighters with their bare hands, the death star is littered with crated and things to hide behind as well as throw at a few flamethrowers, which I don't believe we're ever stationed on the death star making such a point meaningless. And no, the chief and other Spartans have fought and killed enemies like inquistors space magic and all. Plus they are not from the universe so the force doesn't flow through them, which means force attacks that manipulate the body wouldn't work, for in universe look to the yuzan vong. Plus it's well stated how powerful slug throwers are against Jedi.
@@thesenate6482 actually the x wing was designed to replace the tie fighter. The scientists building it defected to the the rebellion taking everything they had on the x wing with them
The Metal would melt, but it would still keep it's ballistic properties, meaning it would still get on whatever poor bastard was behind the lightsaber, sure they could get out of the way, but with a barrage of 7.62x51mm Full Metal Jacket rounds? Yeah, I don't think even Darth Vader would be able to handle it easily. That's assuming they all have MA5C assault rifles, someone could probably be carrying a M90 or a SRS99C. And if somehow they managed to get a tank in the death star, there is very little anyone could do to stop it. @@thesenate6482
Also, even though the turbo lasers have an effective range because it's energy should disperse with range, given that UNSC ships are unshielded, how much damage they would do outside effective range would be interesting to explore.
I feel like you are forgetting a key element to the Death Stars defense that was HIGHLY talked about none stop. The 13 ICSD, they are the main defense for this station. Not to mention, TI-Fighters are actually REALLY fast, they were designed for damage and speed, not sustainability, so while the enemy fleet will sit outside of main Battery Range, the TI's would actually be able to not just screen, but engage the enemy fleet. Not to mention the 13ICSD would also gravely hinder the UNSC ability to push for the death star only. Quite a few things on the Imperial side were overlooked, they have long range weaponry that were meant for dealing with ships, that weren't point defense. Not to mention THOUSANDS of TI's, just i personally think a lot got left out that should've been included on the Death Star, when the Death Star 1 went into combat, the ICSD was there too, just not actually engaged due to the imperial arrogance which is their downfall most of the time. Not to mention, the Emperor was on the station, with his Royal Guard which were Best of the Best fighters, some force sensitive. With that Vader would've commanded his fleet of the ICSD and that being his own personal SICSD. While the DS was slow granted, it actually could move and adjust if needed. While it couldn't turn around 360 degrees with ease the giant laser itself could aim and turn itself, so while the UNSC was at the face of it, the laser could still shoot them.
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Well I don’t think the ties would’ve gotten there in time. Turbolasers have a distance of 1200 km and ties move at 1200 kph. But the death star is 160 km long so the defenses on the surface are actually FAR more effective than what he’s showing.
Then there’s the fact of FTL. Halo FTL is very inaccurate so they very well could jump right into the killzone of its turbolasers. I mean 1200 km around the DS1 is a prettt big margin for error. Also realize the the hyperdrive win star wars are VERY precise so theoretically, the DS1 could just keep jumping right behind the home fleet every time they flew out of range. Or even if you wanna go and take the tie fighter route, it could jump really close to the fleet and DEPLOY their ties right in front of them.
A close up fight would end badly for the UNSC anyway bc they would have to orientate their whole vessel to aim the MAC at the disc. And while they’re turning, their sheildless hulls would get torn apart by their turbolasers barrage.
Eckhart is right in saying the UNSC could win by staying out of range of the turbolasers but that’s REALLY far away and the DS1 can hyperjump closer to them.
Even then ISDs aren’t known for range
Spartans vs N7 and UNSC Marines vs System Alliance Marines
100% American Buffalo Spartans win against N7, because that basically super soldier vs future navy seals
Tenno Shenaniganizer What if biotics were in play?
Sen Kin That could do some major damage. We know Spartans can't fight telekinesis, like the Didact. However that's an *IF*
We're are the Space Marines?
Tenno Shenaniganizer The only real N7 team you see in Mass effect are the multiplayer characters from ME3's earth dlc.
That team of six N7 operstives has three different diotic warriors.
"There shouldn't be a Spartan boarding party."
You misjudged the power of plot armor, my friend...
Master chief: yes.
even if they got on they would be dispatched by inquisitors or vader himself.
@@resentfuldragon bold of you to assume Vader would be able to block a round from Nornfang
@Travis L Ah yes, people taking my statement where I break the fourth wall and apply plot armor as a definably stat seriously. You know, this is why everyone thinks comedy's dead.
Regarding the comments of Master Chief boarding the Death Star: It's all fun and games until Vader arrives.
UNSC: We have plot armor...
Vader shakes his head and heads to the hanger.
Tarken: You should surrender now.
RaiderXV master chief: killed one million aliens now it's the time for a robot planet to die
Altruce Millions, possibly even billions*
Fallable if he lives a 70 year lifespan and kills exactly 1 billion enemies, that’s an average of 1.3 kills per second. If we assume that he spends two thirds of his life not in combat, either sleeping, eating, or otherwise taking a crap, then averaged kill rate is 3.9 kills per second. Impossible. Unless you count mass kills, like blowing up a Covenant capital ship, of course, but to quote Gimli, “It still only counts as one!”
AI controlled Archer pod volleys to soften the DZ and provide screening against TIE perimeter defence, intermixed with ODST drop pods carrying nuclear payloads. The EMP from a few detonations would be catastrophic, as the 3km of Durasteel would act as a Faraday cage, trapping the radio burst and reflecting it around on the inside of the sphere. Game over. Let SPARTANs have a day off once in a while. Feet first.
The AI would anhilate all tie fighters probably
Mass Effect answers this question:
Assuming the slug is a few kilos and the cannons accelerate the slug to any decent percentage of lightspeed, they will impact with the force of several Hiroshima tier nuclear weapons. Space is also empty and the slugs moving really fast, the Death Star is massive and slow moving, so every shot is going to hit. No matter how armored the station is, if it is even taking 10 or 20 of those a minute, it will not take long to render the Death Star crippled, if not completely destroyed. The energy shields available to the DS1 also do not seem able to prevent smaller craft from reaching its surface, so it stands to reason that shells from a MAC would also not face any impedance from projectile based weaponry. Incredibly, it is probably the Covenant and Prometheans that the Death Star stands a better chance against as its defenses are far more suited against the technology and tactics of those factions vs. the UNSC.
"Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space!"
On its own, the Death Star would get pummelled. But the battlestation is supposed to have fighter and Star Destroyer escorts to protect it. The UNSC would have to get through them first to get to the Death Star. A little odd that we don't see much of them in A New Hope.
frostyguy1989 Grand Moff Tarkin wanted to take the Death Star out without a support fleet. He was supremely confident that it was invulnerable. I honestly can’t think of anything redeeming to say about Tarkin.
frostyguy1989 even if Death Star had a support Fleet I still think this year about a Mac cannons the UNSC has would diminish their numbers to a mute point
maybe, maybe not. really depends on posteor
Drew Lyons A single ISD makes a CCS look friendly, example, planetary bombardment takes an ISD 24 hours, same amount of time a small-medium covenant fleet takes. Shield strength in star wars is astounding, that star destroyer that was destroyed by an asteroid in episode 5, it had taken many hits like that for a few days to a week before it's shields gave out, a quick Google search will tell you the force of such an impact which is comparable to a MAC blast or sometimes stronger depending on the asteroids size. Turbolaser rounds decrease in damage the further you are, that killzone was based on the ship shield strength to how effective a turbolaser would be to them, UNSC ships are UNSHIELDED meaning that the killzone will be many times greater than what was shown here as shields no longer have to be taken into account.
PS Star Wars is filled with so much plot armour that it can get a bit cringy at times, I prefer Halo tbh but Imperial vessels are more effective in quite a few areas (range not exactly being one of them though, covenant and UNSC ships outrange them and as such the UNSC could try get completely out of effective range, but by this point MAC rounds would become significantly easier to avoid (Ik how fast the are))
first off, covenant capital ships shields dwarf anything the empire had, example being the only 2 super carriers to die were killed from huge bombs inside of the ship, their shields had never been broken. macs travel much faster than the lasers in star wars, they're also not bright green/red.
i'd just like to correct you on the first part. an isd planetary bombardment will not be through, people will live. halo's glassing is done slowly and very precisely as they're making sure there is no biomass left for the flood to take, literally none, not even plantlife
the UNSC also use Nukes like they're going out of fashion. could you imagine, if instead of sending out longswords, they just used nukes as gigantic flak rounds against the swarms of ties? i mean i'm sure they'd do some damage if they ever got one to the DS, but if they could accomplish that, they may as well land the Master Chief there.
I don't know if it was posted already, but I feel like you've left in a fatal miscalculation as well about the Death Star. As we saw in Rogue One, the Death Star can make the jump to hyperspace pretty quickly. If the Death Star is out of range, the Death Star could have made a hyperspace jump to put itself in range quite quickly. Also, I feel something like the Death Star with its power core being in the central portion of the station would maintain power for its thrusters at all times during the fight. In fact, some sources believe that the ion thrusters that the Death Star used for general manuevers were actually internalised. As damage would continue hitting the station, it would only be hitting armor that's been pushed in already making denser targets for each continuous shot bombarding the station, unless the armor has been actually torn away from the station. This density would actually help further protect the reactor and allow the Death Star survive a prolonged encounter with the UNSC Fleet, and definitely buy it enough time for TIE fighters to move into position.
I also agree with the comment about the Barringer crater. I feel like the UNSC may have been overglorified with some of its weaponry.
Thank you for this
very true, i also posted some other things they missed about the death star, and the Mac Cannons are strong, but shooting through 3 kilometers of sheer armor is a bit too much and then you even need to reach the core. yes you can destroy the main weapon, but what will it do if the death star just jumps in front of you or just moves a bit?
@@Lord_Akkon small missconception about the hull on the death star. it's 3 kilometers of "armored" hulls. not fully solid. it's honeycombed with walkways and corridors. rooms and gun nests. Yes, there is 3 kilometers of armored hull, But it's not solid. After that 3 kilometers of armored hulls, it goes to less armored and more open structural designs that make up a majority of it's volume. including the massive cavity in the center for it's reactor.
4:53 like how the arrow looks like one of those big star destroyers
The same way the UNSC always deals with oversized space stations:
Boarding action.
@Travis L the unsc is willing to throw bodies at threats lower than that. Even then the goal of boarding a station like this would be to detonate havok nukes in strategic locations throughout. It would be a suicide mission most likely, but odst/spartan lead squad would be able to accomplish it.
@Travis L sidious is an old man who shoots lighting, not a clairvoyant God with pertinent understanding of how a different universe's technology works. Please don't ascribe to him abilities not even anakin had.
@Travis L last time he tried that he blew himself up, and that was in a younger clone body.
One nova bomb from a UNSC prowler would win the conflict.
Though I’d also point out that a smart AI like Cortana would defeat them since the Star Wars universe has no concept of cyber warfare, they wouldn’t know how to deal with it.
Imperial officer: Two questions! Why did the self-destruct start, and who built that into the station in the first place?!
Master chief will just reload a checkpoint, spartan boarding team would be op
ESF and Celestial Being from gundam 00 post season 2 vs zerg invasion.
Another problem, the unsc could detonate nuclear warheads as essentially AOE shields. The warheads would just be able to act as a area shield against tie fighters. Additionally, AI operating a small boarding vessel (such as cortana) would likely be able to dodge the turbo lasers, after all she could easily dodge most covenant weapons and forerunner weapons, as seen several times in the halo books. Furthermore, the Spartans wouldn't have to get to an important system just a port that Cortina could jump through into the deathstars system where she could play havoc with all of the internal controls. Once again, this is done several times with covenant vessels in the books
For people mentioning first strike it wouldn't be the same scenario. The unyielding heiriophants inferior was vastly spacious which allowed what I call blue teams secret weapon linda to cover a path for them and keep then safe. The death star is all close quarters corridors and rooms. Basically all youd have to do to hold back blue team is set up a choke point in the death stars corridors to stop them. They also couldn't use the vents like the heroes in new hope because mjolnir is far too bulky
I think a huge determining factor in this battle would be the A.I. They would have the ability to identify and learn about the enemy weapons before a human could. Along with,, they could coordinate and fire all ships to hit within inches of eachother penetrating the Death stars armor that much quicker.
I think you're forgetting that the Stormtroopers are not that bright.
Who says stormtroopers are not bright. There is this misunderstanding that stormtroopers are what makes up the Imperial army. But the stormtrooper corp is the elite. Only 1-10,000 make it to be a trooper. They are the Imperial SEALS. The only reason they come across as clownish is because they are written by libtards that see them as "evil" and must demean them. But they are in fact the best of the best.
@@IMPERIALPTY210 yes there smart but the empierals just went hay you want to join k heres a gun and some armor that dosnt do jack shit oh you dont know how to hit shots or aim its ok fire in there genaral deriction UNSC you want to become a spartan ok first spend months shooting and then we will inject you with something that makes you better at shooting things oh and here is a shielding system with some armor (even though the shields would not do to much as if a storm trooper hits chief with 3 shots max thats hot plasma. plasma is great at taking down shield )
@@vcgalaxy4266 actually stormtroopers are great soldiers and the begging of a new hope shows that stormtroopers cant kill very effectively. The only time we see them miss is when main characters are around with there invincible PLOT SHIELD. And to become a stormtrooper only the best are selected to undergo the 3 year process of training.
@@IMPERIALPTY210 Then why do they act like such fucking morons?
I agree with your assessment. But I would also think that they might even use Archer missiles at the laser dish along with firing their MAC cannons.
I’m pretty sure the Chief, Johnson and a team of ODST con make it if they get inside the Death Star. The problem is getting inside, because the defenses and the fighters are too much, the UNSC would have to sacrifice a Frag ship at least
I had a chat when I was in school and my friends said star wars would win against Halo, I said
Yes but actually no
Stormtroopers would be like grunts to chief. They wouldn't have shielding and his weapons would rip through them like butter.
I feel like people have missed somthing. Death star takes dmg to primary weapon. Cmdr: shit, jump to light speed we are leaving. because the station can move
Unsc: did they forget that we can do the same thing?
Master chief when he enters the ds: I’m nit stuck in here with you, your stuck in here with me
UNSC: **moves slightly to the left**
Death Star: *This is beyond science*
i love this best comment ever
@@MrAwol007 You think extreme unoriginality is the best? You're a sad person lmao
"Boy! The UNSC knows some maneuvers!"
@@evilpimp2475 Let people enjoy things, you sad display.
@@gracecalis5421 no
8:03
You underestimate Chief's POWER!
He went to the fully flood-infected High Charity *by himself*, a planetoid sized station that contained not 25,000 flood, but the tens or even hundreds of millions of flood infected covenant soldiers and civilians, armed with plasma weapons, rescued his AI girlfriend, reached the core, blew up the entire station, killed the gravemind, and then just left with his bro arbiter.
Mhm. If we remove force users out of the equation, I'll honestly believe that Chief and Cortana can basically wreck the inside of the DS-1.
@@imperiousrex128 Don’t forget about the rest of Blue Team.
Just remember, Mandalorians use real bullets for a reason...
There are no covenant civilians lmao
@@madliftedson6565 Any covenant which willingly helped the destruction of humanity is to be destroyed based on their race, the sangheli and san shayuun aren't worthy of life. and definetely not the brutes
If masterchief boarded the death star without being shot, it would basically be Doom 3
The stormtroopers would miss literally
Rip and tear until it is done
Those poor poor storm troopers
Then a very pissed off Darth Vader crushes Chief into a sphere with the Force.
Master Chief, warthog, death star trench, sticky grenade. Boom
UNSC- "KEEP FIRING AND MOVE LAZILY TO THE LEFT"
Empire- "Wow, these guys knows some maneuvers"
This.
I gotta say I laughed at this comment XD
N-Nani? KANSEI DORIFTO????
family guy joke but funny
Empire: WE CAN DO MANEUVERS, TOO! *nearly collides three slow-moving Star Destroyers while chasing a tiny freighter*
Newton's first law...and now that conversation from Mass Effect is stuck in my head.
Gunnery Chief: This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kilotomb bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space. Now! Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's First Law?
First Recruit: Sir! A object in motion stays in motion, sir!
Gunnery Chief: No credit for partial answers, maggot!
First Recruit: Sir! Unless acted on by an outside force, sir!
Gunnery Chief: Damn straight! I dare to assume you ignorant jackasses know that space is empty. Once you fire this husk of metal, it keeps going till it hits something. That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you're ruining someone's day, somewhere and sometime. That is why you check your damn targets! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a damn firing solution! That is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not "eyeball it!" This is a weapon of mass destruction. You are not a cowboy shooting from the hip!
Second Recruit: Sir, yes sir!
so I don't remember the gunnery chief's voice exactly so I ended up reading this as sergeant Johnson and I am alright with that
the clip is here ruclips.net/video/p77XnhzJz7g/видео.html
Never played the games, but from what I've heard, it's too bad Mass Effect never got a true sequel-
They changed from a harder 'rules based' scifi to a softer 'drama based' scifi after the first one.
That sound right to people who played it?
Seth Britton No. It got better as they went on, but the unanimous consensus is Mass Effect 2 is best. 3 was great but is ruined by the ending
Tenno Shenaniganizer Actually for hard sci-fi lovers; he's right... But for cinematic space opera ones It indeed went to the better for ME2 and for 3/4ths of ME3
Spartans shouldn't try a boarding party
*Master Chief laughs in High Charity*
You gotta consider that the Covenant was in the middle of the Great Schism at the time, and at some point even the Flood became involved
@@iexplodonateri7378 He technically boarded high charity twice. Once before halo one with his team and once after. it was in one of the novels.
@@kihouou1295 That was the unyielding hierphant a covenant space station
@@ryanmcgowan417 even so the point still stands, that installation was almost as massive as high charity.
If A New Hope is any indication, infiltrating and sabatoging the death star is easy.
gravemind: *sees death star* "it's free real estate"
UNSC: *Sees death star* "Chief, you're vacation is being pushed back by 2 hours."
Chief: god fucking dang it
*Half an hour
Fixed it
Unsc: Sorry Chief but theres another one
Every single virus known to man in games , including the chimiran virus: *it's free real estate*
Literally all them storm troopers: *YO ALL IN THE WRONG HOUSE FOOL!*
(STs transform into said virus')
Johnson : remember me?! I JUST BLEW UP YOUR GOD DAMN *HULLA HOOP THING!*
Me: I'm sorry....wha....what hu....the death star is rou-
Johnson : *DONT QUESTION SERGEANT AVERY JOHNSON BOY!*
Me: dude...it's 48 hours after brexit what you's on about?
“The Death Star I had over 25,000 storm troopers”
Master Chief: “Boo”
With stormtroopers shit training and MC's ability to basically see time in slo-mo, this would be basically one of his easiest missions
Odst Inbound storm troopers are actually incredibly accurate. It’s literally stated in the movies that they let Luke rest of the crew escape. However considering chief was able to survive and fight on high charity I think he would be able to deal with some damage in the death star
Storm troopers: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
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The population of High Charity is a 1,000x larger than that of Earth’s.
Master Chief can survive inside the DS, if he can get through High Charity and especially get through a Flood infested High Charity in order to retrieve Cortana.
You Honestly think 25,000 Storm Troopers have anything on the population and ground military of High Charity?
@@cryptarisprotocol1872 did chief survived high charity?= no
Did high charity survived from master chief?= no
25,000 Stormtroopers: We have you surrounded, surrender Chief, Johnson!
Johnson: All we're surrounded by are dead men!
Chief: Pass the sticks, you can use the rock.
I love this lol
Stormtroopers will not able to do nothing because stormtroopers have really bad aim lol
@@anjuagarwal665 I hope this is a joke and I'm overreacting
@@broyogurt3000 yeah it is a joke
@@anjuagarwal665 I love you
Master Chief? You mind telling me what you're doing on that station?
Sir, finishing this genocide.
I’d like your comment but it’s already at 117
Too late, I made it 131
@@generalgrievousproductions NOOOOOO YOU BAD
True
@@spartanlocke2449 how many ass-whoppings did you get again 😂
Empire: One man can’t take down a moon sized space station
Master Chief: Laughs in High Charity
Alex Beswick nah the UNSC doesnt need chief. They just need one flood spore. Wait nvm thats just too much.
"Can't fight 20,000 stormtroopers," fights off a flood infested high charity
Well... basically the whole Covenant civil war and the spore infestation did most of the work...
@@kgbcommitteeforstatesecuri3315 also there is a book called "Death troopers" i think thats the name but its literally star wars but with zombies featuring han solo and chewie. i think spores were involved in that book so it is plausible if the halo universe and star wars verse duked it out. zombies/flood is possible XD
Nathaniel Garrett arent death troopers like CBRN equivalents of our military?
*After* *mowing* *down* *hundreds* *of* *Stormtroopers* :
Master Chief: WHY DO NONE OF THESE ELITES HAVE SHIELDS
Never-ending headshots. That might be horrible for someone used with shields.
Injured captured imperial officer: Long story short, personal shielding wasnt in the budget anymore.
Master Chief: What?!
Imperial officer: You heard me.... no PERSONAL SHIELDING.... AT ALL.
Because palpatine is a cheapskate.
Master Chief: Why can none of them shoot straight after all the training they have received? smh
If you sling enough mud at a wall, you're bound to kill something. Just look at the Grunts.
UNSC doesn't know of the Death Star's exhaust port weakness eh?
Master Chief: "Cortana!..."
Hmm...might work. But she might have to interface directly.
Stephen Chow true dat.
nick gillett she would, and the. They fucked.
nick gillett Don’t forget, Fred, Linda, and Will were part of the defense of Earth. If they teamed up with Chief, they’d easily sweep through the Death Star
@@ICantThinkOfANameB Probably. Remember, Luke had R2 the first time they stumbled onto the D1. Yet Obi Wan still had to manually shut down the tractor beam. This was because Ep 4 was made in the 70s with their understanding of technology. Meaning, not everything was accessable from a terminal. Though, R2 still had control over the trash compactors.
This implies that only information and a few less vital components were connectes to the main computer. This would prevent Cortana from essental components like the main laser and main power core.
Meaning Cortana would be able to find weaknesses in the D1, but Master Chief would have to do all the leg work in shutting it down.
Then again, what else is new.
“I don’t think a spartan boarding party could make it through a station with 25,000 soldiers.”
Somebody hasn’t read First Strike.
Well that's assuming the boarding craft dont die in transit
@@brycencusson7104 Don't worry, Blue team has impenetrable plot armor. (Joking of course, I love Blue team.)
Yeah there was some badass shit in that book
Ikr🤣🤣🤣
And storm troopers couldn't aim for shit
You also have to take into consideration that one of Master Chief's defining traits is that he is extremely lucky.
The Death Stars real weakness. Protagonists.
The Force is strong with that one...
Getting kidnapped and turned into a monster is lucky indeed.
1 chief and one nova bomb = no death star
Darth Vader would crush and cave chiefs armor like a soda can with his force choke or crush like luke did to the drouds in mando season 2 finale i bet vader would do that or just snap chiefs neck instantly
I love how Eckhart puts the line "I don't think Master Chief will be able to reach the station" over the shot of him giving the Covenant back their bomb.
So?
@@Edward-tg6vb So?
I think if the unsc tried something similar to that, i.e give em a jetpack and a HAVOC nuke, he would've done it.
@@Isaacreeper Nope
If he didn’t get shot down by the Lasers on the Death Star he would certainly die to the Hordes of Elite Stormtroopers
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 I mean... we're talking about shooting a man sized object with turrets designed to shoot at planes and starships... not to mention that I dont think they would have noticed him coming with all the debris from the battle floating about
" I dont think the spartan boarding party would make it through"
Chief: "You underestimate my luck."
if their spaceship fails they have armored space suits essentially
@Travis L
Exactly
If there is no plot armour to anyone , a single storm trooper can kill chief
@Travis L nobody in the Star Wars universe short of Darth Vader is even putting a scratch on Master Chief.
They don't even need a spaceship so long as they get flung in the direction of the Death Star they should be able to use their magnetic function in their armour to walk along the outside and reach an entry point all together.
@@vicc6790 Yeah, the Spartans are basically mandos but with better physical capabilities and with energy shielding.
Master chief: *begins to board ds Empire: that has to be the greatest pirate I’ve ever seen
Man that was so funny it made me want to kill my self
This comment is underrated! You get gold
Grand moth tarkan: so it would seem
"Chief get out of there!"
"Harder daddy."
"What?!"
"Ah crap forgot my com was on."
Masterchief, Han Solo and Luke are the best intergalactic empire.
Empire: exists: you know you cannot beat me.
UNSC: I know I can't, but he can!
*Points to a single flood spore*
Squishyloves u MC: ah shit, here we go again
so true
no, Points to master chief
Squishyloves u fact
Empire: You know you can't beat me.
UNSC: I know, but he can
*points to himself*
Ek.- MC can't deal with 25k Stormtroopers.
MC.- *deals with 3M space zombies on Alien's homeworld*
Key word *ZOMBIES*
Angelo Nassire who is EK and who is MC srry if I don’t know I’m new too halo,Star Wars and EL
sarah shaw EK=Eckhartsladder(youtuber), MC=Master Chief
Hello thanks
He literally hunts about average 100 aliens every mission, and according to the UNSC council he fought 203 official combat missions what's nothing compared of his total fighting carrier, so according to that he official eliminated 20300 with his own hands, and if we talk about unofficial with no UNSC backup support,= he slayed more than 700 aliens within every day, that would count as more than trillions in numbers, 25000? Even ungoys are stronger and durable than storm troopers, But....those siths are something
The Empire: NOOOOO!!! YOU CANT JUST EVADE MY DEATH LASER!!!
The UNSC: haha superior range and mobility go brrrr
Logic learned:
*MEDIUMS AND LIGHTS FOR DA WIN*
Actually they couldn't dodge a super laser due to travel speed of the laser itself..
@@davidcatanzaro2624but they could outpace the traverse of the station itself
fighting the cripple scarab in halo wars be like
Eck: "UNSC should not do Spartan boarding party."
Comments: "Master chiefs got this"
Yeah, apparently they don't realize that they are dealing with 25,000 elite stormtroopers, probably some with Special Ops training, and then there is Darth Vader.
Patrick Connerney lol
Which is exactly why UNSC should not do a Spartan boarding party, Master Chief can do it all himself. Why use the death star when a holdout blaster will do? (Not that Master Chief isn't awesome, just saying that a whole team of spartans would be unnecessary, as Master Chief can do it himself)
Kingsnake Command dude...the Empire has Vader. He would simply catch Chief in a Force choke and use his Lightsaber to deflect all projectiles that he launches at the Dark Lord. Chief is awesome, but Vader would kill him easy.
@@jordanhendrix2619 But Vader can only be in once place at a time, and weird plot-convenient force powers aside, he'd have to rely on the information gathered by the troops that come across the Spartans (so if the spartan teams go in supported by ODSTs and split into multiple groups to confuse intel) and either the ability to plot an intercept course or to travel dozens of miles through the station to reach them before they're long gone - plus there's the fact that he's practically the de-facto commander of the armed forces, so he's gonna be somewhat distracted by dozens of ships bombarding them. Also it's entirely possible that he'd underestimate the threat they pose as they don't possess the force.
Biggest problem deploying the Spartans, is actually getting them there, between all the concentrated fire from the fleet, the length of time they'd have to travel and the possibility of interception by Tie fighters, it'd pretty much charge of the light brigade mark 2. And even if mile-thick plot armour managed to get them there and complete the objective, they're pretty much screwed cos they won't be able to extract in time.
Eck: The master chief can't kill 25'000 people
Master chief: Laughs in *Every mainline halo game*
I know right. You kill a few thousand enemies in a couple of missions. AKA a few hours. Give him a day and those fuckers are extinct
You are delusional vader would take him down in one slice
@@zurango3373 This is the master chief we're talking about. Vader to a Kid and an Untrained Jedi knight
lego5810 Vader won’t be able to stop a bullet going at Mach speeds. It’s impossible.
@@zurango3373 very simple reason vader loses, he would rely on his lightsaber to block chiefs shots, you know the super sonic metal slugs that when they hit his light saber become super sonic molten metal that then hits his chest plate and helmet therefore killing him.
There is a much simpler solution for the UNSC to win. Have a ship "surrender" with a NOVA bomb armed. They get pulled into a hanger bay, then goodbye Death Star. Just like Joyous Exaltation.
OOOOOOOR just create a slipspace bomb or the NOVA bomb or the bomb he gave back to the covenant....put in the hanger, put Chief IN THAT hanger and dump him in a head on collision course with the target :P done.
Imperial officers aren't dumb enough not to scan the ship. not to mention they don't accept surrender and would destroy the ship immediately and enter battle
@@lukamtc9188 I don't think star wars has nukes. So the likelihood of them denying the ship isn't that high.
or just hyperdrive through it with a ship. since thats a thing now.
@Zach Johnson
You stole that from me ya cheeky bastid
Unsc: uses MAC cannons
Empire: you may fire when ready
Unsc: moves a little to the right
Empire: mission failed we’ll get em next time
What about the other thousand weapons of the Death Star?
@@alejandroelluxray5298 if they could actually hit their targets, do you really think the rebels wouldve actually won?
@@Daveo3 they COULD hit their targets, in fact the only reason they failed is because they were ordered to do so, for tracking the Millenium Falcon to the Rebel Base
@@alejandroelluxray5298 ok fair enough, but what about the infinitys shields? We've seen that thing sail casually through a covenant fleet, getting layered with plasma fire, and then take on a forerunner ship, which use hardlight, which is basically more advanced than anything in the sw universe (maby other than a light saber), and it came out with minimal damage
@@Daveo3 not even that shield could sustain a beam capable of blowing up an entire planet, plus the ion cannons would turn off the shields quickly for the turbolasers to kill it
They're screwed once master chief drops down
Justin Y. Are you a ghost ? How do you show up all ovet the place
I agreed once all of Master Chief boys die he'll be the only one left fighting his way and the storm well he like "WHAT THE HELL HES JUST ONE GUY BLAST HIM NOW". "AUGH, WE NEED BACK UP NOW". "HES NOTING ELSE HES A MONSTER WE'RE SCREWED MAN". "FALLED BACK, FALL BACK NOW".
Master of omnipotence
Sicarius Vast
Legends tell of the Justin Y. made a deal with the Devil to hunt down every last RUclips video to comment on...That was until the day he did the one thing no man ever did...He also commented on Reddit saying he loved the content angering the Devil he rode of to comment on every single other commenting Website though every once and awhile returning to were he began so he could piss of the RUclips Commenter's(the Devil in disguise) for all of eternity!
*He IS the RUclips Rider!*
Simply put he's a Soulless Creature who won't rest until every possible video in existence is commented on!
Wait your even ere dude it's like a game of spot Justin. Y here on youtube
"Chief, were getting a high reading here, saying that a large covenant ship is closing in on us."
"What do you mean Cortana? That's just a moon."
"Chief. I don't think thats a moon."
*Imperial March begins to play*
“That’s not a Moon” starts to play overlaid
I would love to see an unofficial cinematic crossover. That would be so damn dope
@@whoknows4780 "bleep bloop bloam, goodbye to your home"
Chief: “I need a lightsaber.”
"Cortana, fire the NOVA bomb."
Send in caboose he knows what to do
Wait never mind he’s just gonna make friends with the Death Star l
BXOTROT ___ but then caboose would make the death star promise to not destroy the earth and its people.
Barry Bend shit you right
BXOTROT ___ Epsilon could hack it...
Or just possess it and fire it on itself. (Scratch that he can’t hit shit so he could probs just hack the shit out of it).
Yes Death Star, do the plant detroit thing laser...whatever that means.
[Meanwhile, planet side]
Oh you team killing fuckta...
TheEventHorizon church was never able to hit anything I doubt he can shoot himself
1 chief vs 25,000 storm troopers
Storm troopers: your out numbered 25,000 to 1
Chief: I like those odds
Well chief would find himself in the death Star as doomguy in hell😂😂😂
"Then it is an even fight."
Chief:Yeah thats not fair,probably gonna shoot left handed.
“Then it is an even fight”
the death star would truly earn its name there
"The death star has shields and laser cannons"
Master chief: *laughs in infinity*
UNSC INFINITY : I am about to end this guy career.
EckhartsLadder
: They wont have access to the orbital defence platforms.
Roland: *Laughs in Infinity*
Infinity had both, which was extremely rare and very expensive ship.
And nova bomb
Garuda 1 Talisman halo infinity omg u time traver
"Master Chief, you mind telling me what you're doing on that ship?"
"Sir, this isn't a fight it's a f$%&ing slaughterfest." *Audible BFG Division and Wilhelm screaming in the background
For that, play The Slayer Has Entered The Facility off of the Doom Eternal OST.
Here's another one:
Hood: "Master Chief, you mind telling me what you're doing on that ship?"
Chief: "Sir, send me Blue Team."
Hood: "We'll send you Blue Team to support you-"
Chief: "Not me. The enemy. They need help and I want a challenge."
@@patriot7260 In all honesty, I think the only reason Chief wouldn't do this is because he considers Blue Team family.
@@imperiousrex128 Fireteam Osiris then, kek
**Laughs in MAC Cannon and Hyperion missile simultaneously**
Just send chief with a gravity hammer
Deathstar : we have MAC cannons
UNSC : we have master cheif
Me: I've literally got...like...6 girls with U *SM* C (not U *NS* C) armour and M4A1s because everyone else is being sexist like so....
(That's an airsoft game story to tell later)
I'm not joking this literally happened once in rl in an airsoft modern warfare match (airsoft = we go some place , play real life COD , get shot by plastic yellow balls which sting like bein electric shocked without the shock basically)
Rebs: we've go-
Me: yea we don't need mon Cal's mate
Mind you that the Death Star must survive exploding planets. A MAC round would be like a fart in the wind compared to being slammed by country sized planet pieces.
onlypeaceindeath you need a lesson in force concentration and momentum my dude
@@cataclysmicdelta1828 I'm fully aware of it. Most of the debris that would have hit the death star would carry a lot more momentum than a mac round. Even if we factor in force consentration, the difference in size between the projectiles would make it irrelevant.
*The UNSC only sends two Spartans*
25,000 Stormtroopers: *It's free real estate*
*It's Master Chief and Noble Six*
0 Troopers: *:O*
Super Sonic Duo darth Vader: bring it on.
Even one Spartan 4 can do that, don't take legends in here, they got other works to do than wasting time in this imperial shit
Master chief is kind old yet still a war machine and noble 6 is an assassin capable of obliterating a load of soldiers together it's a recipe for greatness.
Or do you mean tom?
@@TheNamesSlick You dont need. Vader is clearly the winner here. Master Chief is an exceptional soldier but he is just a soldier. Vader can choke him from miles away.
@@Zappina one thing A GUN THAT U CANT THE GOD DAMN BOLT WHEN ITS SHOOTS I MEAN IT SIMPLE
This mostly criticism against the blasters
that moment when you realize a technologically superior faction got its deadliest weapons rear kicked by a single fleet of a technologically inferior faction, after weighing laser type vs ballistics, I gotta hand the victory to the ballistics.
Ah yeah,somehow Force users can be killed with 21st century BULLETS.
@@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597 because bullets travel way faster (and harder) then blaster bolts.
@@anon1403 okay,so pull out some acquired Covenant spaceship Tech and glass the target.If not use the Didact's "bio-digitalization" superweapon.Oh and prepare a good fleet for defense too as well as more covering fire.
Don't forgot strap in some Human Fleet with very big MACs as support too.
Same. Imagine shooting a laser versus the fucking hulk throwing a pebble. The rock would make you lose your head.
Can’t see them either. The lasers a big bright sticks, bullets can’t even be seen. You can’t block em and to deflect with force you basically have to see them, right?
UNSC: Hey we should just fire at that large dish looking thing and move out of it's apature and uh. Yeah.
Crew of the Death Star: *sweats*
All the UNSC needs to do to score a win is get a nova bomb on the hull of the Death Star
Or just drop chief into one of the hanger bays and just tell him: Shred
that will do
maube they could drop in a reactor from a ship or a warhead
Ufff the Nova bomb
Yeah but the turbolasers will blast anything that gets close to the Hull into oblivion
Damn brutal much
Well it is the truth. The Unsc don't have maneuverable enough ships to effectively Dodge the cannons without getting at least clipped. Its not entirely outside possibility but most ships that would get close would be destroyed.
A guy in the comments(DerpyHood):
"Shipmaster!! They outnumberer us three-to-one!"
Lord Hood: "I'll try moving to the left, that's a good trick."
The outcome of this engagement, a UNSC victory, would be even more likely if using their post human-covenant war ships. With the forerunner tech enabling far more accurate slip space jumps, if the fighters ever got too close, the fleet could simply make a jump to the opposite side of the death star and continue the bombardment, and if some fighters do happen to reach them, the shielding on the infinity class, Autumn class and strident class ships should hold them off for long enough.
@Travis L We got a Star Wars fanboy over here. And his range isn’t that long. He shut down ships a few thousand meters in the air at his max power, the distance between the Death Star and the fleet is much bigger.
Or the infinity could just ram The Death star
technically isn't the Post Human-Covenant war ships not entirely using Forerunner and Ancient Human technology? Since iirc, correct me if I'm wrong, only UNSC Infinity had Forerunner shielding technology and a more advanced FTL technology.
@@ousamadearudesuwa
And salvaged covenant tech of course (which is FAR more abundant and easy to acquire then forerunner tech usually is), with a lot of defecting engineers (both the species and actual engineers form a variety of species.), scientists and whatnot for good measure. Salvaged tech which they can study in relative peace with the war over. Halo 5 has things like a needler hog with energy shields for example.
@@luigimrlgaming9484 "you don't have the firepower!" "But I have the mass"
Seeing one of the comments with the intent of Cortana interfacing with a terminal of a Death Star, I think a stealth approach of Spartans can actually be plausible
The new OP:Red Flag
Yea, Isabelle takes control of the main glassing beam of a Covenant/Banished flagship very easily
Darth vader might sense it, but panic once he sees the vision of them trying to interface with the station.
@@debbiebernhardt5406 he would try to escape in the case of cortana taking over the Station. Just imagine cortana controlling the death star.
@@construtordemundos3420 unlikely, he doesn't flee when evil. But try to stop them.
Love how everyone in the comments is commenting strategies and how they can land a pelican and sabotage the DS1 with a bomb, as if the UNSC can’t just sit out of the DS1’s range and shit on it with MACs endlessly
Does It Matter while that may indeed be the most effective strategy...
It's by no means the most fun.
It’s not even effective. The Death Star’s shield protects it against debris billions of times heavier than a MAC round and moving slightly faster. A single spherical chunk of debris 60 km in radius and traveling at 15,000 km/s (the speed we see in the movie) has a KE of 2.6 trillion super-MAC rounds. It would take 55 years of continuous fire for the entire earth defense grid to fire that many rounds
@@patrickspeegle9558 Source for the shield strength because i can't find in the DeathStarTechnicalCompanion?
The first death star mainly relied on turbo lasers for destroying debree. According to Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel, the Death Star was simply too large to have a single effective shield based inside the station. It had to make do with shielding for individual critical components and use armour, a considerable magnetic field and overlapping Turbolasers to protect the rest of the Station from orbital impacts.
It also couldn't sustain the shielding in all the area's it even had shielding and fire all of its weapons batteries at the same time. offence and armor was the main defence.
The macs would end up doing significant damage
yustformusic The source was my own. I walked through the calculations step-by-step, isn’t that source enough?
They said in catalyst that they were working on the problem. As far as I know, we don’t know whether or not they succeeded, so they may have been able to resolve it and fully shield the station. This is the full quote that someone on the sci-fi stack exchange provided to explain why the Death Star’s shields didn’t protect against fighters (scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/150283/why-didnt-the-original-death-stars-shields-protect-against-small-fighters/150284#150284);
“Our team is working on protecting something larger-with wider, impregnable coverage.” “Larger than a Venator-class Star Destroyer? Is this to parry some new weapons platform Dooku has in the works?” “So it would seem.” Considering it, Galen prized a marker from his pocket and started to sketch his thoughts onto a napkin. “In the short run you could consider shunting a shield’s absorbed energy into a heat sink, then employ neutrino radiators to return energy to the generators and projectors themselves. It’s similar to what we’ve been doing with lasing mediums and crystals. Of course, you need to be careful about overpumping.” He continued to sketch. “Maybe multiple shield generators distributed evenly across an entire hull to enhance coverage…”
As you can see, the quote never outright says that they failed in their efforts to project a larger shield. It said that they’re working on it. And he said multiple generators distributed evenly across the entire hull, not multiple generators protecting critical components. To me that suggests that he’s planning on doing something similar to my idea, which was using many, many smaller generators to make it trivially easy. And it’s not a problem of power requirement: the Death Star can destroy a planet, which means it should be able to project a multi-petaton level shield with no noticeable power drop to the laser (even 4 petatons is 0.000076% of the MINIMUM amount of energy required to destroy an earth-like planet)
One of these days I’ll read catalyst and see what’s what. Until such a time that someone can fully convince me that the Death Star had minimal shielding, I choose to believe otherwise from a lack of evidence.
Edit: why is it that everyone uses those exact words every time? “According to Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel, the Death Star was simply too large to have a single effective shield based inside the station. It had to make do with shielding for individual critical components and use armour, a considerable magnetic field and overlapping Turbolasers to protect the rest of the Station from orbital impacts.”
yustformusic Ohhhh this is a different comment thread. I thought you were replying to a different comment of mine. In that case I’ll gladly copy and paste the calculations here
“...As for how much of the debris actually hits DS1, we'll use a little more math. DS1 couldn't have been 2 million km from Alderaan when it was destroyed, because then the beam would be traveling faster than the speed of light, which is impossible. But we can calculate for both 200,000 km and 2 million km, if you like. Or any intermediate value we can both agree on
I seriously doubt that the Death Star's armor is that strong. I feel like there had to have been kinetic shielding. I feel like that is inescapable. There is a possible explanation, though: the Death Star's shield may selectively block high-speed objects from passing through, but allow low-speed objects such as fighters, shuttles, and missiles. Another explanation is that the Death Star simply didn't raise its shields when the Rebel fighters were approaching. They may not have felt very threatened. I mean, I know that if I were in a moon-sized battle station, I wouldn't worry at all if I see a bunch of fightercraft approaching. By the time the imperials realized that there is a danger to the station, the rebel craft were already under the shield and nothing could be done but launch their own fighters. I suspect that the second theory is more likely, but there's no way to prove it. Naturally, since MAC rounds are high-speed objects, they'll be blocked by the shield in the first theory; but boarding craft and low-speed missiles like Archer missiles would be able to bypass the shield. If the first theory is the true case, it becomes extremely possible for the UNSC to destroy the Death Star, by detonating something such as a NOVA bomb inside the shield. Otherwise, the Death Star is invincible.
So, to figure out how much mass would have hit the Death Star, first we have to make a couple critical assumptions (because I'd rather avoid painstaking analysis of the film. The first assumption is that the mass of Alderaan shot out in every direction equally. Essentially, I mean that there are no "blind spots" where someone could place their ship and have the debris sail harmlessly by. Similarly, there are no spots that are "safer." Every point a certain radius from the explosion is just as dangerous as every other point that same distance away. This simplifies the math greatly. The second assumption is that the average densities of Earth and Alderaan are the same.
To start, we can express the amount of mass that will hit the Death Star as a percentage of of Alderaan's overall mass. To find this percentage, we need to know how far away from Alderaan the DS was and the profile area of the DS facing the epicenter of the explosion. Both of these are quite simple.
Wookieepedia.com/wiki/Alderaan gives the diameter of Alderaan as 12,500 km, or a radius of 6,250 km (slightly smaller than Earth's).
Volume of Alderaan = 4/3 * pi * (6,250,000m)^3
Volume of Alderaan = 10^21 m^3
Mass of Alderaan = Average density of Earth * Volume of Alderaan
Mass of Alderaan = 5,515kg/m^3 * 10^21 m^3
Mass of Alderaan = 5.6x10^24 kg
So we find that Alderaan's mass is slightly smaller than Earth's (5.97x10^24 kg), which is to be expected because Alderaan's radius is slightly smaller. Now we also need to know the profile area of the Death Star. And since the DS is (approximately) a sphere, its profile area will always be a circle. Wookieepedia.com/wiki/DS-1_Orbital_Battle_Station cites the Death Star's diameter as 160 km, or a radius of 80,000 meters.
Profile area = pi * radius^2
Profile area = pi * (80,000m)^2
Profile area = 2x10^10 m^2
The final thing we need to figure the percentage is the surface area of a sphere with a radius equal to the distance between the DS and Alderaan, or 200,000km plus the radius of the planet, 6,250 km.
Surface area of sphere = 4 * pi * r^2
Surface area of sphere = 4 * pi * (206,250,000m)^2
Surface area of sphere = 5.35x10^17 m^2
The final thing we need to do is to multiply the mass of Alderaan by the profile area of the Death Star and to divide by the surface area of the giant sphere.
Percentage = Profile area of DS / Surface area of the big sphere * 100
Percentage = 2x10^10 m^2 / 5.35x10^17 m^2 * 100
Percentage = 0.00000004 * 100
So, 0.000004% of Alderaan's mass would strike the Death Star.
Mass of projectile = 0.00000004 * 5.6x10^24 kg
Mass of projectile = 2.1x10^17 kg, or 70 billion times more massive than a SMAC round
KE of mass = 0.5mv^2
KE of mass = 0.5 * (2.1x10^17 kg) * (15,000,000m)^2
KE of mass = 2.4x10^31 J, or 5.7 trillion gigatons.
That's the result: 5.7 trillion gigatons. Interestingly, this is significantly smaller than my previous calculation for a single rock. (In that calculation I got 134 trillion gigatons). It seems that on a small scale, the math is rather inaccurate, and when you take the math to the large scale, it becomes far more accurate and consequently the number shrinks. A lot.
The final result, which is as close to reality as I can get without painstaking analysis, is that the Death Star's shields absorbed the equivalent of over 100 billion SMAC rounds fired at full power.”
One other point the UNSC has is that they have Shiva nukes. Between mac blasts drilling holes in the armor and then dropping nukes inside it more then doubles their damage output.
And also the tie's wouldn't be to difficult to deal with, given that they are unshielded and the UNSC has missile spam out the wazzu with the addition of point defense the ties would be running blind into hell fire. Or in combination with my other point fire a nuke into a large grouping of them and vaporize them.
Would be a great sight
Yea
certainly would've been pretty.
I think turbolasers and starfighters would be able to disable the nukes before they hit tho
It could easily turn into a war of attrition. The empire would remain on the defensive with the death star while the UNSC home fleet would be pounding it. Until the first runs out of starfighters and defensive modules on a region or the other runs out of both ammo and small vessels.
"Permission to leave the station?"
"For what reason?"
"To give the Empire back their laser"
. . . How would that work?
@@tformerdude6788 many many many mac cannons?
I dunno
@@tformerdude6788 just stab a elite plasma blade into a big enough kyber crystal and you basically have a bomb Saw Gerrera did that in rebels
@@tformerdude6788A giant electromagnet to redirect it
Yes it may be far out of the UNSCs industrial capability but it doesn’t matter
@@tformerdude6788giant mirror
Only 25,000 stormtroopers? That's a skeleton crew for a station as big as the death star.
to be fair like half the station or more is essentially just a massive fusion generator but yeah seeing as us navy carrier has a crew of 4000, the death star should, in theory, have a crew in the hundreds of thousands or millions. But i guess it's not meant to be a living base, just a really fucking big weapon.
@@Jordonzo millions? Look at earth. Yes its a planet and I know the death star is much smaller but there are more than 7 billion people living on just earth's surface. The death star is a space station with an interior all the way through. There should be AT LEAST billions of crew if not trillions inhabiting its many levels, each with the capacity of the size of a small moon. Especially since we see so many people in the tiny fraction of a fraction of what we see of the interior during episode 4.
@@bobbyflynn6352 true, but again, most of the the death star is mostly empty space, the interior is mostly taken up by the fusion generator as we see in return of the jedi, and even outside of that, much of the station is ventilation shafts, storage, fuel depots, and cooling devices, after all it is a massive laser weapon and thus heat generated would be extreme. Plus a large portion of its operations are probably handled by droids.
@@Jordonzo those droids would require maintenance. Plus even if only the outer kilometer was living/work space that would still be millions of people. Considering that a single star destroyer had a crew of nearly 50,000 a moon sized space station would reasonably require many more. Even if 90% of it is machinery, that still leaves hundreds of cubic kilometers for crew.
@@Jordonzo FYI the death star has a volume of over 14 million cubic kilometers so let's say hypothetically that 99% of it is armor, machinery, or otherwise uninhabitable. That leaves 141,367 cubic kilometers for the crew.
Another fine victory for ballistic weapons over energy weapons
Ballistic Weapons > Energy weapons
All day every day
Exactly. There is no faster way to transfer destructive energy than a physical impact.
And it's also not really a good time to have a bunch of metal *stuck inside you*
Yeah. I’ve always been a fan of rail guns and stuff.
roadhouse699
Laser stars are superior in survivability and damage output
Borg vs. yuuzahn vong. I will never stop.
Commander Knight robo bois vs fleshy bois
Vong easily. They were a galactic threat while the Borg are confined to some systems in the Delta Quadrant.
The Prodigal Knight, and they were poking into the beta quadrant a bit.
Galactic empire vs blackstone fortress
Commander Knight Not even a real battle, the borg would't stand a chance since the Yuuzang Vong use organic tech, the borg can't assimilate that.
Death Star: “Ha trivial humans, we have Laser weapons”
*Fortunate Son Starts Playing*
UNSC: Ha ha, MAC Cannon go *BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*
“Hey I remember this movie”-some UNSC marine
How easy is it to turn the Death Star around ?
ATTACK IT FROM BEHIND !!
I think the issue that isn't addressed is the deatstar doesn't move very fast, but it doesn't need to if ships are trying to circle around it from a distance. (Think of a gate. The hinges don't move at the same speed the end of the gate moves)
Also I think they don't need a strait line, as depicted anyways, for the deatstar to target a ship with its lasers. (RotJ ds blowing up their capital ships for example) and in a strait up fight it comes down to Unsc fraying the laser out of commission before their fleet is annihilated.
That being said looking at numbers, that's not really a lot of men defending the Ds. Vader won't necessarily be on it, making a full fledged invasion the best option, while the capital ships distracts the fighters/Ds from invasion force.
Also....how far is the tractor beam on the ds. Could it not, theoretically drag ships into its kill zones?
Check the Return of the Jedi deleted scenes. the death star 2 (the bigger one) can do a full 180 in about the same time it took fighters to enter the core and get out. (Moff Jerjerod hesitates for a moment before following the emperor's order to destroy endor- with the empire's legions on planet- which was the difference between getting the shot off on the planet or not. This arc also made it into the Return of the Jedi novelization.
the side the focusing has less turbolasers. The "rear" of the deathstar has a higher turbolaser count and stronger armor because it doesnt have a giant piece of laser equipment covering its face
The Dish would actually be an optimal point of attack. Not only is the armor weakest there, but its where the majority of the DS's energy is managed. Leading straight to the core.
The Superlaser isnt the only weapons on the Death Star, it has more firepower loaded onto it than 100 Imperial Starfleets worth of destroyers with the range of the biggest of their warships. You're not winning a straight on fight with the Death Star, any ship bigger than a freighter that tries will get shredded by the defensive screen, the only reason the X-wings were able to get in under them is because the Empire doesnt consider them a large threat, and even then they had buttfucktons of TIE fighters to just puke at them ,and only by a miracle and a lucky shot did they succeed.
This guy: I don't think a Spartan boarding party would work.
Master chief: someone hold my cortonia.
Vader and the Imperial guard: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Resentfuldragon imperial guards would get shitted on if master chief can beat the didact
@@Chuuhya sure but with vader they make a dangerous combo.
Vader alone can solo blue team but with imperial guards it makes it even easier, chief might be able to handle them but they would at least temporarily occupy his fellow spartans while vader kills chief himself.
@@resentfuldragon Ay Lemmie tell ya about how cortana could activate the order to purge all biological scum
@@glasswulf6346 Cortana couldn't do anything, Chief would die before she can get into the death star's systems.
before he could manually send her in darth vader would snap his neck.
even if she was allowed to enter the systems, darth vader would still kill chief and the spartans and the inquisitors and tons of ships and star destroyers would be left to finish the unsc.
if Vader or a few inquisitors got on the unsc flagships they would checkmate them right there.
Chief, me and the arbiter. Give use an hour tops, this “death star” is going down
Don't die this time k?
King Mushroom i never died, i hid in a cave and have been feeding on Güta
Wtf? They're endangered species yknow
Master Cheif and he made them extinct
*concern*
25,000 storm troopers? Master cheif littertly faced double that in halo1
don't forget that storm troopers can't the side of a barn that is 2 ft in front of them
Stanislav Zaverukha Vader tho
Also why would either side attempt boarding actions
Golemdoom Ha well if you think about it...... if you send over some Spartans to board the enemy Death Star it would be something huge since then you have enemy technology, information, top secret shit, their huge ass laser weapons and the shields....... and if you scrap the whole thing the UNSC navy will go from thousands of ships to millions
also just putting this out naming something *Death* "Star" is pretty cringe. so I hope all you Star Wars fan boys enjoy that
Imperial officer: "Sir an unknown fleet has appeared in front of us. Your orders?"
Tarkin: "Fire when ready, show these upstarts what the empire is capable of"
*Death star fires a single laser into the fleet, destroying one of the bigger ships.*
Imperial officer: "Sir, sensors have picked up a large spike in energy on the bows of each vessel."
Tarkin: "Prepare the turbolaser batteries. If they want to fire upon this station they can't be that far away"
*UNSC Fleet unleashes a hundred mac rounds simultaneously all the while launching all the missiles including nukes*
Tarkin: "Slug throwers? Ha!"
*Death star fires once more, taking out another ship*
Tarkin: "These upstarts have no clue the power of this batt-"
*MAC rounds hit the laser dish, punching though the armor and decks like a battering ram.*
Tarkin: *is thrown onto the deck as the entire station shudders violently.*
Imperial officer: "Sir, the main weapon is off line!"
Tarkin: *Stands and opens his mouth to shout an order when he is interrupted*
Imperial officer: "Sir, the ships have fired again!"
*The second batch of MAC rounds hit the same spot punching further into the hull. At the same time the thousands of missiles impact all over the hull of the death star causing mass explosive decompression. At the same time the nukes detonate sending EMPs throughout the ship, shutting down entire sections of the ship*
Tarkin: "Get this station out of here!"
Emperial officer: "Sir, main engines are offline!"
*The death star is then bombarded into smithereens by both nukes, MAC rounds and Missiles over the course of a few hours.
*a few minutes...
MAKES A FANFICTION 😎
Outcast Redeemer *Suddenly over 30 Star Destroyers jump in because Tarkin sent a distress signal, being forced to divert their attention away from the Death Star and being assaulted by capital ships and thousands of TIE fighters the USNC must disengage or die
Then the UNSC respondes by firing thousands of archer missiles and thousands point defence guns at the TIE fighters and turn their MACs onto the 30 Star Destroyers and proceed to decimate the fleet with thousands of MAC rounds fired from THOUSANDS of UNSC ships.
Disengage or die? The UNSC does not back down without a fight, and they do have the weapons to fend of star destroyers.
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Galactic Empire: We have a weapon that can destroy planets.
UNSC: Really? That's cute, one of our Spartan II's just destroyed a weapon that can murder a large swath of the galaxy (25,000 light year radius instantly).
no, kill all biological life on a planet instantly PAY ATTENTION
@@nickkozak4763 the ring could reach multiple planets and systems
Nick Kozak uhhh a single halo ring and wipe an entire life within mere seconds with a radius of 25,000 light years.. not just the rings itself
@@rsombrero97 yup
Release the flood spore
"I don't think there's any way that he could make it through the ship and reach something critical."
Halo Legends Episode: The Package: "AM I A JOKE TO YOU!?"
First Strike book: “Amateurs.”
Making it through flood infected High Charity in Halo 3: "Observe"
"80 or 90 mac shots for the laser dish?" it takes like 3 for a covenant ship.
the biggest issue the unsc had with covenant ships was that their macs could not fire fast enough. mac cannons take a lot of energy to fire, the orbital platforms had entire power plants planet side to keep a single platform firing continuously, and the ship based macs would take minutes to recharge. a single mac shot hitting a covenant ship would break the shields but by the time the cannon had recharged the covenant ships shields had recharged as well. to counter this the unsc started using ship AIs to coordinate fire between multiple ships to all focus on single targets. using the AIs they would pump out a continuous volume of fire all targeted at whichever covenant ship posed the biggest threat.
they would also combine mac fire with tactical nukes, firing the nukes minutes before hand, waiting to fire the macs while the nuke traveled to its target. then firing their macs seconds before it detonated to break shields. in orbital battles they would even fire their nukes in the opposite direction. the nuke would orbit around the other side of the planet and come from behind the covenant fleet.
against the death star the unsc shipboard AIs would be able to punch a hole clear through in a matter of minutes.
I agree with all of this while he understood that Macs range would not be an issue. If you launch a multi ton bullet at speeds approching the speed of light doesn't matter you have 30km thick armor. Small mentors hit earth at only super to hyper sonic speeds with devestating effect.
A single Mac is 600 tons and flies at 600 kilometers per second.... The force behind them is roughly 25 megatons! Half that of the tsar bomba
mogetfog a piece of planetary debris is the kinetic energy equivalent of billions of super-MAC rounds. The Death Star could just sit there forever and laugh as the UNSC fleet fires away impotently
xXstandstillXx MAC rounds don’t come close to approaching the speed of light. They’re at 4%, 1/25th of the speed of light. Besides, the Death Star’s shield can withstand so many MAC rounds that it’s, for all intents and purposes, impregnable
jake smith No, it’s 63 kilotons because velocity is 30 km/s, not 600. I get my information straight from the Halopedia website, so...
@@patrickspeegle9558 I would like to see your math please. Also I got my information from the Halo wiki (and just double checked with halo: the fall of reach). I admit I was wrong about that. However I still want to see your math in relation to what you said about the debries? And how strong the death star is.
Is everyone forgetting what they did in Reach with their improvised slip space bomb? If a small X-Wing could get close all the UNSC need is one suicidal recruit to teleport the Death Star into oblivion.
so the do appear in the elder scrolls?
or use a reactor like they used for instalation 02
and the other halo ring
and basicly everything else
Well, it's harmlessly teleporting only a portion of the Death Star. It's entirely safe technology, honest.
@@vineveer4358 the slipspace rift in reach was between 5 -15 km wide(would have to chack again) thats a massive weak point
I was. . . I was making a bad joke about the safety concerns of slip-space technology. Literally just moving a capital ship sized chunk of the death-star somewhere else would no doubt be a smart move.
If the video was dealing with Halo 4+ lore instead of the state of humanity in Halo 2, then it'd just be all about sending a spartan team in to infiltrate their way into the main reactor of the death-star before activating the 'warp bomb'. It'd be a lot more efficient than just deleting a portion of the outer hull.