Drowned God: Baphomet

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  • Опубликовано: 31 мар 2017

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  • @Klonkus
    @Klonkus 2 месяца назад +7

    "Men have died to regain this knowledge."

  • @YankeePendragon
    @YankeePendragon 3 года назад +91

    Of all the parts of this crazy game, this one haunts me the most for the implications of just *what* is talking to us here. I suspect this is a living brain inside that brass head, if not something even more terrifying, and its babbling is such a jumble of conspiracy lore that I can't begin to untangle it.
    Its a terrific little scene.

    • @oneinathousand2156
      @oneinathousand2156 2 года назад +13

      I’ve noticed that Baphomet in particular has a way of sticking in peoples’ brains, even for some of the ones who haven’t even played the game.
      I’ve seen several let’s players say they think he’s cool, there’s many reviews from the time the game came out to present day that’ll include screencaps of him, this video of him has more views than for most other DG characters, and for me personally the clip of him rising from his pyramid that was in the Nexpo video stuck with me and it was part of the reason I sought the game out further.
      Not bad for a talking head who babbles at you for a few minutes in one area and then you never see him again.
      I’m a bit embarrassed to say I’ve got most of his monologue memorized.

    • @YankeePendragon
      @YankeePendragon 2 года назад +10

      @@oneinathousand2156 I think his/its popularity is a reflection of him being the most straightforward of the entities you encounter. Its speech may be vague and even a little disjointed (at least in content), but is completely clear that its *not* going to tell you anything. "Who are you? Why should I tell you anything?" Those two lines have stuck with me for over 25 years.
      As for Baphomet's role in the game? "Baphometh" was a deity of vague origin that was long associated (correctly or not) with the Knights Templar, and later became wrapped up in occultism and spiritualism in the 1800s. The popular depiction of it - the 'Sabbtic Goat' - was actually a version of ying-yang balance of opposites personified; it was naturally seized upon by less-open/more-venal minds as something completely different.
      That its appeared here, and like this, leaves it open to so many possible interpretations as to be endless (and all the more terrifying).

    • @oneinathousand2156
      @oneinathousand2156 2 года назад +7

      @@YankeePendragon him being a head instead of the goat interpretation seems to be a reference to the templars being accused of worshipping a head for an idol.
      RUclips won’t let me send the link to the transcript, how else should I do that?

    • @YankeePendragon
      @YankeePendragon 2 года назад

      @@oneinathousand2156 I got the transcripts. My hats off to you two; this is outstanding work! Especially how much you managed to get out of Harry's artwork from the manual. I've been trying since 2005 to transcribe it and managed only a couple sentences.

    • @oneinathousand2156
      @oneinathousand2156 2 года назад +2

      @@YankeePendragon RUclips keeps deleting the email and other links even if I try spacing it out, so I guess I might have to get yours through the folks at TNB if you want to discuss anything in depth, or maybe I’ll see your email when viewing the transcript. How frustrating. I guess I’ll go ask them if I don’t see it, or send them my own address, if you don’t mind.

  • @lukeb247
    @lukeb247 8 месяцев назад +8

    I still can't tell who the voice actor is but they're very good. The whole scene is quite unsettling

  • @SadTown99
    @SadTown99 2 года назад +39

    After the insanity of Harry Horse's brutal and disturbing death, this game is even more creepy and feels cursed like his very spirit is trapped inside the game ... Even a step further I'm pretty sure thats his voice & own creative lore used for the game.

    • @oneinathousand2156
      @oneinathousand2156 2 года назад +5

      Voice as in voice acting or do you mean just creative voice? Either way yeah it sends chills down the spine. He definitely believed in at least some of this conspiracy weirdness.

    • @SadTown99
      @SadTown99 2 года назад +6

      @@oneinathousand2156 Definitely agree my friend… and I meant the actual voice over for this Baphomet puzzle here, I can’t find any solid info to confirm it but he is listed in the voice over category in the credits & it does sound like his voice imo.
      Also here is a weird fact: The entire concept of Drowned God was originally based from a manuscript that Harry was inspired by and copied from a dude with the same birth name as himself. 😵‍💫 Fuckin crazy

    • @oneinathousand2156
      @oneinathousand2156 2 года назад +1

      @@SadTown99 so he might have voiced Baphomet or was there another voice that isn’t in this video? Sorry to ask I just want to clarify.
      What’s really wild is that there was no manuscript. Harry apparently made a forgery and passed it off as being from this guy who shared his name. At least I think, I could be wrong.

    • @PhillipOliverWholes
      @PhillipOliverWholes  2 года назад +8

      IIRC Harry did the narration, like the "Welcome, my friend" at the beginning, but not the characters. I'll try to double check that.

    • @PhillipOliverWholes
      @PhillipOliverWholes  2 года назад +7

      Also, the manuscript is talked about in Nexpo's vid, which is great btw. The game is basically another way that Harry tried to tell the story of the manuscript, and I think one of the characters is actually a self insert, in a way. Think it's time for me to replay this again...

  • @drolaticdemiurge1137
    @drolaticdemiurge1137 3 года назад +28

    IM SAMPLING THE FUCK OUTTA THIS

  • @choiyenaenjoyer
    @choiyenaenjoyer 2 года назад +43

    M A K E A N O L D M A N H A P P Y

  • @candystriperosesco.823
    @candystriperosesco.823 Год назад +45

    This is much closer to who and what the deity Baphomet of the Knights Templar actually was: a brass automaton head with human remains encased within that could foretell the future and answer any question the knight’s asked. The androgynous goat synonymous with Baphomet didn’t come along until hundreds of years after Baphomet’s name was even attested. I respect the hell out of Harry Horse’s research into occultism. Dude was incredibly underrated.

    • @RacecarJ0hnny
      @RacecarJ0hnny Год назад +5

      where did you read this?

    • @yabrodude
      @yabrodude 11 месяцев назад +1

      You still alive bro

    • @RacecarJ0hnny
      @RacecarJ0hnny 11 месяцев назад

      @@yabrodude why wouldn't he be

    • @chocolatedisco8435
      @chocolatedisco8435 11 месяцев назад +6

      @@RacecarJ0hnny they're called Brazen Head, there is a little information of it on Wikipedia

    • @FreakWorldRiots
      @FreakWorldRiots 9 месяцев назад +1

      i thought baphomet is mohammed

  • @RacecarJ0hnny
    @RacecarJ0hnny Год назад +5

    I can't stop watching this video

  • @zhing836
    @zhing836 2 года назад +43

    the game developer:
    this is what the new generation may be into, when gnosticism and science fiction have a baby

    • @notusingthisanymore123
      @notusingthisanymore123 Год назад +9

      and he was absolutely fucking correct

    • @LumpyBumpyAcidFish
      @LumpyBumpyAcidFish 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@notusingthisanymore123 gnostics are never correct

    • @lukereilly9844
      @lukereilly9844 2 месяца назад

      ​@@LumpyBumpyAcidFishgnosticism will always exist as long as spiteful midwits exists.

  • @adeptuslatrina2307
    @adeptuslatrina2307 6 лет назад +22

    Thank you for uploading this! This speech is one of my favorite parts of this game.

  • @midteen
    @midteen 3 года назад +17

    still here after 4 years, thats sick.

  • @Dr0dd
    @Dr0dd 5 месяцев назад +6

    Interesting. It's like a combination of the Templar's assumed head worship (John the Baptist cult maybe) and the medieval legend of the brazen head. I now wonder if the legend of the brazen head already inspired the accusations of teh Templars in the first place.
    I think The Invisibles did something like that too but it was only speaking gibberish.

  • @neilduh
    @neilduh Год назад +12

    This game is so incredibly weird, but I love it so much.

  • @sumkindacheeto
    @sumkindacheeto 5 месяцев назад +4

    As the new Jerusalem is built with coal and steel, so turns the wheel

  • @crimsophi6786
    @crimsophi6786 2 года назад +3

    I randomly stumbled across this in my reccomended.. still, cool video!

  • @oneinathousand2156
    @oneinathousand2156 2 года назад +27

    I know I’ve already made several comments on here, but I think this character is cool, though I still have a lot of questions and general analysis things about his role in the story I want to share. I only recently figured out how to download the game so I’ve based my knowledge more on playthroughs for now so I could be missing stuff.
    1. So if Baphomet is connected to the Knights Templar like in old conspiracies, what faction does he and by extension the Templar belong to, or are they independent? If he’s Templar, why wasn’t he in the Templar-themed area in Binah, the place he’s located in looks part of the Illuminati instead, or are the Templar and Illuminati one and the same in this game?
    2. There’s design plans of his mechanical head in the study room where you enter Din. Who made them and why? Was it the same people who connected Morgan Le Fay to those tubes in her roost?
    3. The story of Osiris’s murder that’s told throughout the game is said to be Baphomet’s testimony. I think he’s the only non-Egyptian figure to be directly mentioned (not counting non-specific things like Nephillim) but why? The book in Binah that has that family tree-looking thing has him listed among other figures like Set, Anubis, and Merlin so I guess he’s one of the kids/grandkids/descendants of Isis and Osiris, but what makes him so special? The game being rushed and limited by the times might have made it so the devs couldn’t include references to all the kids or whatever, idk.
    4. Every area and character has its own distinct music, and for Baphomet it’s that “doo-do-do-doo” you hear over and over. Part of it is subtly incorporated into some of the Industrial train tracks which I think is supposed to be foreshadowing for the player. But there’s one other part where his theme is incorporated: the end credits of all three endings during the reading of the Osiris murder story. What a weird detail to include. I think there’s two different explanations why that might be: A. The composers just randomly took part of the track and slapped it on the endings because they didn’t feel like making new music, or B. The inclusion of the motif was intentional as a hint that Baphomet was somehow connected to the bigger picture, and that there were plans for him to have a bigger role in the sequel that never happened.
    Sorry for the long comment 😂. I don’t expect you to have the answers for any of these questions but I just wanted to dump my thoughts because I can’t think of anywhere else to put them.
    But look how much I managed to extrapolate just from this one minor character! There are so many layers here.

    • @PhillipOliverWholes
      @PhillipOliverWholes  2 года назад +6

      All great questions! I'm mostly working on the first two realms since those really need to be understood together, but I have some ideas.
      A lot of the confusion about this game is due to Binah being such a mess, for various reasons. The main point (I think, anyway) is to show the player how control over the hidden knowledge is changing over time. Here's what the manual says about it:
      In opposition, as the Moon is to the Sun, another group arose to take charge of this knowledge. Their symbol is the All Seeing Eye. They are hidden but everywhere. I know them as the Illuminati, but they change their titles to suit the age.
      But because they decided to put Binah first and they had to cut things, it doesn't make much sense. The player doesn't even know what the knowledge is at that point. Deception is a huge theme, but in terms of who is deceiving whom and what about, it's basically unexplained.
      IMO the Templar here is either not a "real" Templar, is being controlled against his will, or is otherwise part of the deception. For example, he says he's dedicated to "the preservation of the one true god, murdered by a woman's treachery," but we learn from multiple other sources (Chesed, Crowley, Baphomet's testimony) that this isn't true. Only Horus and this guy try to say "God" was murdered by a woman because they have ulterior motives. tl;dr I think the Templar is lying and Baphomet is telling the truth.

    • @PhillipOliverWholes
      @PhillipOliverWholes  2 года назад +7

      In terms of what/who Baphomet is, I think it has something to do with the part of the Osiris myth of reassembling his body parts. In the myth, he was cut into pieces that were later reassembled by Isis. It's not obvious at all, but there is an element of that in Drowned God.
      When you give the hand to Crowley, he calls it the "relic hand of the giant Osiris," because it *is* literally his hand. In Noah we see his body with head and right hand cut off, and while the old man Relic Hunter didn't manage to find the Rod of Osiris, he must have snagged his hand when he went to Chesed. We pick it up from him, give it to Crowley, and he's able to read it either because it's tattooed like the rest of his body, or... reasons.
      I'm guessing and maybe reaching here, but Baphomet could be designed based on Osiris' head. It seems Alexander Dumas created him, maybe as part of the transportation system in Din. He is in the same where you pull the lever to move the house along the rails, and the two windows in that room look an awful lot like his eyes. He may have something to do with being one of the parts of The Chariot? Maybe I'm wrong about all of this? lol

    • @oneinathousand2156
      @oneinathousand2156 2 года назад +4

      @@PhillipOliverWholes okay, that helps a little, I think.
      Damn, if this game came out today (and if Harry Horse hadn’t ended up like he did) I could see it being one of those games that’s kind of obscure until a popular theory channel started making videos on it, this game could make FNAF blush with all the hidden stuff.
      I wish you good luck, you’re gonna need it.

    • @PhillipOliverWholes
      @PhillipOliverWholes  2 года назад +2

      @@oneinathousand2156 That I will. My goal is to provide as much context as I can. I don't think explaining every plot detail is even possible...

    • @oneinathousand2156
      @oneinathousand2156 2 года назад +2

      @@PhillipOliverWholes UPDATE: I noticed upon beating the first round of the fire game puzzle, the drunk Templar seems to say something like “Let’s drink to Baphomet the Rosy Cross *drunk slurring*”.
      I could be wrong since the audio mixing is so bad at this part, but if I’m right that could possibly throw a wrench into your theory. If they’re supposed to be on opposing sides of the argument over who betrayed Osiris, does the Templar bring him up out of respect?
      And while I’m here, if Baphomet is indeed the severed head of Osiris, or at least a mechanical version based on the head, why would the book in Binah refer to him as a separate person? Plus, Baphomet doesn’t talk about Isis like she’s his wife. Since the backstory is from his testimony I’m sure he wouldn’t have amnesia.
      The only thing I could think of would be that Baphomet wouldn’t consider himself as actually being Osiris... because he’s just a head, therefore he’s not the REAL Osiris, just a part of him. I guess it would only make sense in a mythical way. Its a cool theory you have but I’m not sure about it the more I think about it.

  • @i_invented_swag852
    @i_invented_swag852 3 года назад +20

    ey yo. This song slaps

    • @PhillipOliverWholes
      @PhillipOliverWholes  3 года назад +8

      Whole OST a banger.

    • @zanly5039
      @zanly5039 3 года назад +1

      @@PhillipOliverWholes do you think you could get the music in this scene stand-alone? i'd love if you could

    • @PhillipOliverWholes
      @PhillipOliverWholes  3 года назад +2

      @@zanly5039 Man, I'd love that too. I don't think there's a rip of the ost anywhere. Getting a "true" rip would probably involve reverse engineering the game and extracting the music, and I don't know how hard that would be.

    • @zanly5039
      @zanly5039 3 года назад

      @@PhillipOliverWholes maybe you could do it the dumb cheaty way and just sit in the room and let the music play for a while lol

    • @PhillipOliverWholes
      @PhillipOliverWholes  3 года назад +2

      @@zanly5039 I mean, yeah, lol. But there are environmental sounds in a lot of areas and it's mixed differently depending on the camera angle.

  • @morganqorishchi8181
    @morganqorishchi8181 3 года назад +29

    I don't normally comment on sound design but this soundtrack really helps with the eerie atmosphere and these lines would be trash if the voice actor wasn't clearly bringing his A game here. This feels like a scene where the game is clearly doing what it's going for.
    What the hell that IS, I couldn't begin to guess, but it's impressive nonetheless.

    • @oneinathousand2156
      @oneinathousand2156 2 года назад +3

      I wonder who voices him. I’ve tried looking up cast lists but they don’t say who voiced what character. Maybe it says in the end credits of the game so I’ll have to look it up and see.
      Edit: darn, it doesn’t say who voiced who in the end credits.

    • @PhillipOliverWholes
      @PhillipOliverWholes  2 года назад +5

      @@oneinathousand2156 Hey, sorry I missed your comment. I checked the manual and yeah, only a list of voice actors.
      But, I'm 95% sure they wanted William S. Burroughs to do these lines. Their previous game The Dark Eye came out in 1995 and has Burroughs reading Poe, which is amazing, but I guess he was too ill by the time they recorded this.
      "The barcoded automatons from a future age greet us with garlands of fish babies" is a Burroughs line if I've ever heard one, but what we got is still great.

    • @kevinfisher5492
      @kevinfisher5492 Месяц назад

      @@PhillipOliverWholes I never thought of it before but I think you're absolutely right. I've heard Burroughs' narrations before and the "talking head" here is a dead ringer (pun intended) of Burroughs.
      I think I used to know who the narrator was, but I've long since lost my original media. He did a LOT of the voices in this game.

  • @crud420
    @crud420 Год назад +20

    yeah i see why they killed this mf

    • @loluberlouis
      @loluberlouis Год назад

      what do u mean?

    • @sahrmalik521
      @sahrmalik521 Год назад +12

      Creator of this game got murdered but labelled as a suicide. The game is filled with conspiracies and people believe he got killed because of revealing them

    • @WashingtonAI
      @WashingtonAI Год назад

      lol

    • @BumboLooks
      @BumboLooks Год назад

      Yes, the developer was mentally ill.
      The whole game is incoherent gibberish and laughably wants to be taken seriously.
      He killed his family and himself.
      Nothing he said in the game is anything any government anywhere would kill him over.
      You're a rather dim light.

    • @Hobo_Knight
      @Hobo_Knight Год назад

      @@BumboLooks you seem quite sure of yourself. what brings you here?

  • @aliksanderpersia3614
    @aliksanderpersia3614 2 года назад

    wow

  • @oneinathousand2156
    @oneinathousand2156 3 года назад +5

    It took me a while to see the moving teeth and blank eyes inside the outer head.

  • @sosigking6358
    @sosigking6358 Год назад +5

    I have a version without the music. I found a Perl script that extracts all files out of the game and any similar Myst-like game.

    • @BumboLooks
      @BumboLooks Год назад +1

      Perl script to extract music from old games?
      That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

    • @sosigking6358
      @sosigking6358 Год назад +2

      @@BumboLooks If it works it works 😂

    • @BumboLooks
      @BumboLooks Год назад

      true

    • @Djdbdndkdk8971
      @Djdbdndkdk8971 6 месяцев назад +1

      can you post a video of the voice lines?
      @@sosigking6358

  • @merikgrimaldus2394
    @merikgrimaldus2394 2 года назад +3

    I need to talk to him

  • @gamerman7276
    @gamerman7276 8 месяцев назад +2

    I remember hearing about this game years ago but refusing to play it because I heard the creator killed his wife. Now I don't know what to believe anymore.

    • @quillclock
      @quillclock 7 месяцев назад +3

      there is a conspiracy surrounding his death. list of facts:
      his wife had terminal cancer
      he was found dead with her
      police said self termination
      eyewitnesses that discovered them entered through a wide open door of his house said him and his wife had dozens of stab wounds.

    • @gamerman7276
      @gamerman7276 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@quillclock One of the weirdest parts to me is how the local newspaper ran a story that he and his wife died by an overdose on pills. How do you get that mixed up on accident?

  • @lukereilly9844
    @lukereilly9844 Год назад +2

    Apparently he was supposed to be played by Willam Burroughs before he died.
    I believe this character was written for him

    • @oneinathousand2156
      @oneinathousand2156 Год назад +2

      It’s complicated. We don’t know for sure if Burroughs was supposed to voice this character specifically or if he was supposed to voice the narrator, though this character would certainly fit Burrough’s style of writing.
      Also, despite what Harry Horse the game’s creator said in one interview, Burroughs died in 1997, and this game came out in ‘96, so they must have been unable to get him for a different reason than death.
      I still haven’t figured out who voices Baphomet here.

    • @lukereilly9844
      @lukereilly9844 Год назад +3

      @@oneinathousand2156 ugh, more questions. This scene *does* seem like a narrator in *media res* to be honest. It wraps up the narrative better than any of the endings do.
      Also this voice actor is absolutely doing an impersonation of Burroughs.

    • @oneinathousand2156
      @oneinathousand2156 Год назад +2

      @@lukereilly9844 yeah, the writer of that interview with Harry where I got that info from claims that he was supposed to be the main narrator, by which he probably means the one at the beginning of the game, but Harry himself didn’t specifically say that so we think the interviewer must have been mistaken cause I can’t imagine that Burroughs was meant to be the opening narrator, this character’s writing style seems to match Burroughs much better.
      I would say that of all the characters in this game, Baphomet is the ONLY one who seems to know the full story front to back, and beneath his seemingly gibberish monologue, pretty much everything he says has some explanation DEEP in the lore.

    • @lukereilly9844
      @lukereilly9844 Год назад +2

      @@oneinathousand2156 hmmm, interesting.
      Burroughs would be a super relevant voice actor for Baphomet given his cut up technique

  • @samlouis6259
    @samlouis6259 4 года назад

    Hello

  • @chillskillz
    @chillskillz Год назад

    What is this game called, and how can I play it

  • @b-chu9747
    @b-chu9747 Год назад +1

    Why are his eyes like a camera lens? :0

    • @ordovicianscourge9520
      @ordovicianscourge9520 9 месяцев назад

      his head is encased with a mask, unless you are directly talking bout his eyeballs and not the mask with the cameralens-like motions

  • @D.P.O.
    @D.P.O. Год назад +2

    Alcasan's head

  • @umeng2002
    @umeng2002 Год назад +1

    Spookiest shit on RUclips.

  • @birdwalkin
    @birdwalkin 4 месяца назад

    call of cthulhu game material