Living Through the Hell of War | Kelsi Sheren | EP 446
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in person with veteran, entrepreneur, podcaster, and author, Kelsi Sheren. They discuss her upbringing, the discipline required for service, the necessity and reality of women in the armed forces, the lapse in standards at the hands of DEI, the trauma and PTSD incurred from combat, and how soldiers find solace when reintegrating with civilized life.
Kelsi Sheren is CEO of Brass & Unity and author of “Brass and Unity, One Woman’s Journey Through the Hell of Afghanistan and Back.” Kelsi is a distinguished Canadian veteran who served as a Gunner and Female Searcher during her deployment in Afghanistan. At Brass & Unity, Kelsi transforms bullet casings into jewelry, donating a portion of the profits to support veterans battling mental health issues. In addition to her work in the military, Kelsi is a champion in Taekwondo and host of the Brass & Unity podcast.
This episode was recorded on April 22nd, 2024
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:32) Intro
(1:47) Discipline and drive: “I started fighting at four years old”
(5:20) Bullied as a tomboy, lack of relation, “I would have been transitioned”
(9:45) The discomfort and trauma of puberty, how sexual assault impacts young women
(12:53) Are trauma and the proclivity to develop PTSD linked?
(16:21) Joining the army, basic training, “way too masculine for a lot of women”
(24:02) Female versus male fail rate, lowering the standards
(25:56) Weapons breakdown, “This is not pretend”
(28:09) Joining a french-speaking unit
(32:06) How women and men serve in the military, their roles and obligations
(35:59) Both sexes need to operate under the same standards
(38:56) Selective outrage
(40:03) Sexual assault and DEI in the armed forces, regulating a war culture
(43:39) When Sheren shot her last round, noticeable fall in standards
(45:12) DEI makes things worse and leaves us reliant on the worst people
(48:23) Who will stand when the police turn on citizens?
(50:54) Afghanistan, actions in war, and post-reflection
(1:05:02) Serving with the Brits, near death experience, moral injury
(1:14:24) Clearing compounds, worsening emotional state
(1:21:17) “Something’s wrong,” diagnosed with acute PTSD
(1:24:09) Coming home, seeking treatment, and what worked
(1:26:14) What every soldier loses when they enter civilian life, use of cannabis
(1:27:59) How art therapy led to new purpose, founding Brass & Unity
(1:30:06) COVID ended the jewelry business, trying psychedelics
(1:32:41) There were other undiagnosed problems contributing to depression
(1:36:10) Meaning through responsibility
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I was a Blackhawk pilot, also a female. Flew support missions in combat in Afghanistan, KAF in fact. This interview resonated with me for many reasons, not the least of which is how on earth to relate to people who haven't done these things. I did lose friends but not in the manner Kelsi did and I'm grateful for the information she's provided about her own recovery.
I don't think woman belong in combat roles and have never felt i was being deprived in a support role. I was just happy to be able to serve my country-- which is a shell of itself at present. The differences between the sexes are never more apparent than in austere environments. I've never felt the depth nor range of emotions i did while there and hated every second save for when i was flying missions. Those were some of the best memories of my life but i would not go back.
My husband on the other hand was a marine and he loved every one of his 8 deployments though the ripples of destruction of the human spirit from the horrific losses drop often.
Dr. Peterson, thank you as always for this. I feel like God sent you to help so many of us make sense of the chaos and you find the right people to facilitate. ❤
As a female veteran, it's refreshing to hear women speaking up about the difference between men and women in the military. YES, women have a place in the service. NO, we do not belong in combat or direct engagement.
What I want to know is how women were allowed in the first place when common sense and experience makes that obvious. I assume it was under Jimmy Carter or some other DNC president.
WHY then ask for equality, when clearly men and women are not equal?
@@dumbvedeozthat's from the 90'...now the sentence is no need for men😅
@@dumbvedeoz You think it's the people who actually feel driven to be in the military demanding that are asking for "equality" - or is it this fascist government manufacturing an ideological mob who's telling them there are potentially infinite genders, and anyone can do anything? While doing other things to gut and weaken our military, other government institutions, and the greater economy-society. The top command of the CAF will be going through Nuremberg Trials for their complicity in crimes against humanity - but for now they are still in their positions of power because of the Trudeau-NDP fascist regime.
@@dumbvedeoz It was obvious she's not one of those feminists. Why would you even ask that? Stop it with these Andrew Tate comments. If Jordan is teaching men anything, it is how to be a gentleman and take on the burdens of life. Embody that instead of assuming people's stances on things and attack them in order to portray how knowledgeable you are.
I love that sometimes Jordan has a lot to say, and that other times, like this, the guy listens with such a laser focused and thoughtful attitude.
I get the feeling that he finds her utterly fascinating.
She is
Yeah indeed, he is very quiet in this one. How couldnt he be? I would listen to this woman for days. So much energy omg.
Very respectful interview.
She’s such a great story teller. Very captivating.
He didn't have much choice. She spoke as fast as Ben Shapiro.
I believe this is the interview format where he also works as a listening therapist. That conversation he had with Jocko was also amazing.
I think this is one of Jordan’s greatest episodes.
Thank you, Jordan.
Thank you, Kelsi.
In this interview Jordan was really in his element. It is clear to see that he is a brilliant psychologist!
Unless you're a Democrat. Then it's nearly impossible.
I thought this was the worst i ever saw him. He didnt seem to know what to say or when to say it. Lots of akward silences.
@@WheresWaldo05 then you don't understand what was going on. there was nothing awkward about it, this was a very skilled clinical psychologist letting his "patient" talk and figure things out instead of trying to tell them what to do or think.
I don't like watching war movies, but this needs to be made into a movie. She is totally amazing, beautifully broken but unbelievably strong. I admire her strength and resilience to speak up and to stay alive. She and Jordan make an amazing 'truth team'. It hurts to hear it but the hope is indescribabky encouraging. Thank you for standing up.
I'm a woman who served, but only briefly and never deployed. I also have been working with the military for the better part of a decade now. I read Kelsi's book a few weeks ago and hers was the first testimony about PTSD I was able to truly understand. I've heard others talk about their experiences and what happens after the physical danger has passed, and have certainly heard of service members committing suicide and never really understood. Kelsi made me understand, for which I am incredibly grateful. This understanding made me a better support for some people who are very dear to my heart.
As a retired firefighter, that was my concern when I had a 110lb female firefighter needing to pull me out of a structure. I’m 230lb. Not going to happen.
As a current firefighter I fear this, as well as our guys not being able to climb two flights of stairs with gear on…
I had the same concern as a career soldier -- first as a tank crewmember and later as a pilot. And the reality is; even if she's 165 pounds and you're only 200 she still wouldn't be able to get you out, In fact, even if a man and a woman are roughly the same weight, the man will have more strength due to greater muscle density, a larger bone structure, and less adipose tissue. And that's before even mentioning the increased aggressiveness, endurance, and risk tolerance that come with having more testosterone.
@@ComedianDingerhonestly,, I'm curious to know... Would you say (from your view/experience) that That's the Majority of people/Soldiers today?? Or A Minority?... please lmk what you think and have seen personally. Because if that's the majority... then that's very scary and beyond concerning foreal.
@@ComedianDinger you need to have fitness and strength standards that eliminate anyone not capable of doing the job, if that standard prevents 70% of men and 99% of women from qualifying so be it.
The police have a slightly different situation. Having 5-10% of the police force women is a good thing because the police have some roles that women are far better at. This includes body searches of women, interviewing rape victims or child victims of crime where a police woman is far less scary than a policeman. A lot of criminals will also confess things to a policewoman that they wouldnt admit to a man.
Also the Physical ability tests are designed as pass/fail rather than who’s the most capable… scary.
Why is it that a woman has to say these things before people listen? I was a career soldier, and I've been saying them for 30 years. I was a Blackhawk pilot, and I OFTEN looked over at a woman in the other seat and thought; "If we go down, and she's compromised, I KNOW I can get her out of the cockpit and carry her to safety ... but if the situation is reversed, I seriously doubt she can get me out." It made me never want to fly with a woman. And there are MANY other issues.
Yep. I'm also a vet and I saw a confidence gap like that in a lot of military fields -- and the fact is, the really heavy, difficult, dangerous and distasteful tasks typically have to be done by the men. It's a VERY bad thing. The lack of trust and the degraded capability reduce combat effectiveness and introduce other problems. It all leads directly to needless friendly deaths on the battlefield.
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ex- USN AT here, I been around some incredible female fighter pilots who are top athletes ( and will tell you right now, I was enlisted, you can't fly an aircraft in it's envelop unless you are an athlete, not happening) but they are unbelievably rare. 1 in a million. But even in them, with rare exceptions I have been a part of, the survival instinct isn't connecting. . But for us men, something kicks in on the edge, seems against all odds and it happens. . I think it is fair to talk about it.
Endearing "cold kitchen set" 🌟 very suitable for the guest... everything suggests a great interview and fire!!! 👩😻🔥🔥
@@hubrisnaut it not only fair, but absolutely necessary and important. BTW, this is a woman speaking and I am very much against women in combat, because there is a difference that cannot be overcome.
This might in fact be the very Best Dr Peterson interview of all time! God bless! 🙏🏻👏🏼
Jordan asking Kelsi whether her trauma was more related to the horrific incident or her resulting hatred is such a GENIUS question.
My thought exactly, I was taken back… brilliant!!
This has to be one of the best episodes so far. Her story is really inspiring. Bless her. May God continue to give her grace. 🙏🏽
My husband served 30 years in the Marine Corps. Unless you served, you don't understand the bond you form with your fellow soldiers, they truly become your bothers. My husband is 65 now, and it brings him joy to stay in touch with his fellow soldiers. Once a Marine, always a Marine 🇺🇲 Semper Fi.
War is hell. Three months in theater and two of our brothers were MIA. A month later their bodies were found in Baghdad, mangled and abused. Our unit was hit hard and some of us never fully recovered from the trauma. My best friend/battle buddy took his own life. Why exactly? We'll never know. War spreads a darkness/disease that destroys the very essence of what it is to be human.
We love and have compassion for our fellow human beings, but that love is lost when hate fills the spirit.
Ready for this? GOD IS LOVE!
God pulled me from the darkness to the light. Now I see clearly. Holy holy hallelujah! Praise God! 👏🏼
King Jesus, come quick. We can't do this on our own. We need you. 🙏🏻
God bless all of you! Praise be to the Creator, the Word of God, our Christ Jesus. 🙏🏻❤
You know it’s a great interview when JP only has to ask a few well-framed questions.
Not because I don’t like listening to JP, but because the guest is just that interesting
I'm retiring early from the CAF after 23 years. I viscerally felt this interview and had to wipe away tears more than once. You are not alone and thank God, niether am I.
Thank you for your service and sacrifices...
However few, there are still a bunch of us who still feel this. Hopefully retirement treats you well.
Helluva episode. Her discussion on TBI was extremely helpful because I've suffered tons of head trauma, and had no idea the symptoms I've been experiencing were caused by that. Now it's all making complete sense to me. Thank you Dr Peterson for creating and sharing this podcast.
I don' t remember last time I enjoyed this much somebody talking. Wow, she as person and her whole story are so interesting. Also, talking about social skills, amazing! ♥️
The best episodes are always when Dr. Peterson only asks the right question succinctly, and let use listen to the interviewee as long as it takes.
Combat is a stark reality where the strongest, best-trained, and best-equipped forces prevail. Unfortunately, the simplicity of this formula for winning battles is often compromised by political considerations. Salute to all the combat Vets trying to find their way home.
Yes , very few politicians are aware about the ramifications military deployment incurs
@@johnmalcolm3116 and even less care 🔥
@@zaynevanday142 agree proven by the lack of funding to veterans care
Combat is 50% Training and 50% Luck 🍀
@@zaynevanday142 Luck is involved for sure..depending on the situation.
This interview was fascinating to watch and absorb. The interaction between Kelsi Sheren and Dr. Peterson makes it the best interview ever on RUclips. Canada is losing its most outstanding and most humane clinician over something as silly as passing social fads he rightly will have nothing to do with.
I suffered for decades from PTSD due to serving as an ambulance EMT, firefighter, and Lead Fire Dispatcher for 25 years.
I loved the ambulance the most. But it was also a toxic love affair. Los Angeles and Orange County are crazy busy on the ambulance and it is one of the most dangerous civilian jobs you can imagine. The pay is low and the stress is off the chart. In my time, 72 hour shifts were common and sleep was rare. If you've ever seen the Nicholas Cage movie, "Bringing Out the Dead," or read the original novel, that's what it's like.
The nightmares and flashbacks were so real, they consumed you. I had PTSD so bad, I never realized it; it was simply, "my normal."
It was common after finishing a shift to wonder how you made it after 3 days straight and why you were still alive and in one piece. More than a few of my colleagues could not say that.
I have seen horror, grief, and my own blood-splattered uniform after bad calls, which were strangely also known as "good calls."
It would have been great to talk with a psychologist like Jordan Peterson back in those days. We were expected to handle a call, clear it and get back in service for the next run. You were expected to "get your sh!t together and shake it off." I saw a lot of guys'crash and burn,' and no one seemed to care. All you knew was that there was a new partner sitting in the front passenger seat and you had to get him trained in all the things EMT school did not cover, ASAP.
In dispatch, you were often the last person the caller talked to and you were with them, comforting them until their last breath. But you also heard a mother's cry of unbridled joy as you talked her through infant CPR, hoping the medics would arrive soon, then suddenly heard the wonderful cry of a baby as mom breathed life back into him.
Watching videos is therapeutic and I am just glad that there is help for those who serve in both military and civilian capacities. They are no longer thought of as "weak" and "not able to handle it." There is now understanding and effective therapies available.
My nightmares and flashbacks finally stopped when I turned to Jesus Christ. His soothing words in the Gospels of Matthew and John, along with His no nonsense admonitions that reflect everyday life and the temptations and sins it brings-things we all have to overcome, puts it all in perspective. I am literally a new, reborn man and who I was no longer is.
I'm 72 years old and finally have the "Peace that passes all understanding."
So vulnerable. Such strength. Lots of information to digest. Thanks Kelsi and Dr Peterson
I have had the privilege of interviewing this amazing woman on Think Unbroken Podcast. She's a great measure of both the power of the mind and the persuit of healing. Proud of you my friend.
She’s a lying pos. Anyone who was actually over there can spot her tropes from a click away.
She sums it ALL up on why the Standard is SOOOOOOO important. It's not so we all looked pretty together.
Liberals want everything to look like a United Colors of Benetton ad and don't care what the repercussions are.
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I so wish the “member exclusive” portion of this conversation could be made available for everyone to view. I was in tears listening because I so totally and completely understand what Kelsi was saying: her gratitude to you for being a heretic of our time (& J.K. Rowling, Helen Joyce, etc) and fighting a fight for our children and vulnerable adults. Such a powerful conversation.
Just this week, my son in Grade 6 (11 years old) told me casually that his teacher taught/told the class what blowjobs are. I put a post on FB about it and only two women responded, both in favour of teaching children what blowjobs are.
How has the world come to this? I cried later that night for the innocence our education system is robbing our children of but I was also so incredibly thankful to know that despite all our trials and tribulations of parenting that he knew he could speak openly and freely with me about it. He said there was one boy in the class who had no idea what it was and he said the look of shock on his face was so upsetting to witness.
God help us all.
I'd never even heard of that until after I graduated from high school. That is shocking, indeed! Praying for all the children and their parents!
One of the best interviews you've done! This lady is extremely intelligent, diverse, creative, determined and such a role model just doing her thing! Wow, absolutely brilliant!
Hey Jordan, this is one of the best episodes you've produced in a long time.
This was great. She's a very good communicator. So grateful for these people.
God bless this woman, she clearly needs deliverance.
Yes!!!
What an interview. I can’t turn this off.
This is such an awesome interview. I am a woman with no experience as a service member but have great respect for our service members I am in awe after listening to her this was extremely eye opening.
Yet another wonderful interview Jordan thank you
The level of honesty from Ms. Sheren is profound. This is exactly what is needed from all of us.
Kelsie is a Canadian Icon and I respect her greatly. Maple Leaf Up
I just enrolled in the CAF, doing my hand on bible tomorrow. This is the first episode i've watched in its entirety since I've known JP (2021). Such a great conversation. I'll try to be a force for change in the CAF -- even though I signed a document that states I can get fired if I cause prejudice to the armed forces, I will speak truthfully about DEI with empirical evidence. Thank you for the conversation JP.
Get out while you still can. All the good people have left the force. Good luck.
@@adamhope8689 Thanks, I can't let Canada down like that. Born and raised, will die for the country.
@@VestaRoleplay why ? The TruDolf Government is giving it away to illegal foreigners
wish you all the luck but sadly the first time you even show a hint of dissidence you will face disciplinary and possible discharge, your voice means nothing in there!
you should have spoken with some of the recent hoards of active combat vets. you have signed yourself over to the state you are now their property!
@@JulienDeon I'm currently studying to get into the military college to become an officer. I should meet the standards in 2 years. While doing so, i'm in the reserve to gain experience. But my point is, I understand i'm literally nothing when I enroll as a NCM. But, I want to be a force of change if I can graduate from military college. This is decades down, but I'm still committed to this mission.
Thank you dear lady for your amazing service and your incredible bravery. On and off the battlefield. God Bless You!🙏🙏🙏
Two factors that stood out to me about woman in army was;
1 - The difference in strength. It's dramatic, like 1/5 the strength of a guy. Not just a minor difference.
2 - Way more prone to injury. Specifically, cracked pelvis's was common, just in basic training. Because the wider hips of a female are vulnerable carrying load under impact.
It's a serious injury, common, can be permanently debilitating and it's never talked about much.
About the excessive weight of packs and how it affects the grunt The military overloads everybody's pack and the men and women suffer broken bones and permanent injuries from the excess weight of their packs
The women and the men should be carrying 1/3 their body weight into battle and have mules, vehicles, or noncombantant battle buddies carry their most of their weapon and sustainment load into battle.
You've obviously never been in the military. That is the most impractical suggestion I have ever heard.
There should be requirements and the ones who are capable should be chosen. If they’re able how they look does not matter.
@@oausncacaonausnsasavasvnsuemau there are. Still lower than the guys, but there are minimum requirements. Even then, it was extremely rare for a female to pass out of the school of infantry.
Quite frankly, infantry is a dirty, nasty horrible job. It's extremely rare for a female to even want to do it.
So it makes no sense to target that demographic for recruitment.
It's not just strength. Women can't come close to our reflexes. I grew up next door practically to an Olympian female basketball player. I was twice as fast as her by age 10 or 11....
fabulous interview with a truly inspiring, courageous, wise woman.
Women only get wisdom after 50.
@@arnoldvezbon6131 nonsense. I know lots of 50+ women, and men, who are complete idiots.
In the words of a guest from the Shawn Ryan podcast: "War sucks."
While I forget who said that I'll never forget it. I'm eternally grateful for the men and women who fight on my behalf. Thank you for your service.
That's true. And I'm not trying to be offensive but I need help and if I could join military for healthcare I would. Instead I get a felony for small amount of a fungus. Thanks for your service though I don't mean to take away from veterans getting help. It's just in USA we take away free healthcare for military
"war never changes"
War is easy , Life is hard
@@jackcaffrey8493 while I'm not aware of the position of life that your are in to say that, I imagine that "war is easy, life is hard.", Means that in war you know what you're fighting and who the enemy is this you can gain a sense of purpose and direction. But to live life unaided by a "bigger cause" can leave a person without a sense of purpose or direction. The difficultly in finding the meaning of life can be frustrating in addition the hardships that life throws us individually. With in that context, I agree, war is easy, life is hard.
@@jackcaffrey8493A Force Recon Marine I once knew, Korea (Chosin) and VietNam vet (where a lot of the "fun" was), told me once drowning sorrows after his third divorce and he couldn't remember how many breakups any more that war was a lot easier because at least there you could kill the people you could no longer reason with.
And no, not stereotypical "crazy vet" by any means. Served with distinction in every campaign, probably won everything there was with exception of CMH with too many citations for his ribbons. Couldn't even wear all of them in his uniform.
He called them his "greatest hits".
Incredibly honest and vulnerable.
Amazing episode - as a veteran- total respect for Kelsi -
4:00 Thanks for this. I have worked in 5 different countries. Saudi, South Sudan, Nigeria, Northern Mexico. This stuff changes people.
After having worked in the third world and listened to some who went through WW2 I have learned that character does not equal size.
Matching size and character does not match many times.
Many people who think they know what it takes have never worked in the third world.
Jordan thank you for having Kelsi on , It has been 55 years since I was in the military, but her experiences gives me some insight as to my own problems. Poor or No treatment from the "system" is much the same in the US VA. as what she describes from the Canadian system.
The US VA is shameful. To me, anyone who advocates for "the government", who's ever, should run hospitals should have to volunteer in a VA hospital or nursing home or maybe both for about a month each.
The way ESPECIALLY COMBAT VETERANS are treated is bordering on criminal. And that starts in Washington.
I have said for years that qualifications for President should have military service in some form. At least. Preferably combat, but maybe exclusively would be too far.
Not talking retired military either. Just serving period.
Folks who have served are usually the last folks who want to start another one. Contrary to liberal myth.
Only other option is to prepare and equip in peacetime so the "Bad Actors" can never, EVER, think it would be a good idea.
I feel like I've watched this entire episode on a single breath. Amazing person.
Listen to her ! just oh! she is an amazing human being!she is a hero for sure! .. all respects and prayers for all veterans healing from trauma
Thank you both for walking through this incredible life story. What an amazing woman.
Thank you Mrs Sheren for having served your country and keeping it a safe place with your life and dedication.
All the very best to you and your family.
The sheer quality of JP's content never ceases to amaze me. Thank you for all you do Jordan. Much love from Alberta!
Powerful, thank you both.
Peterson really knows what questions to ask and when to bring them up just to get an absolute feel of the answer that people are telling them!
I don’t think Jordan has said less in an hour and a half podcast. If you find strong, tough, ambitious, driven and determined women attractive then this is your gal!
As an old veteran, I respect this woman so much.
I'm 60 years old. It's hard to find people who have that much Heart and Dedication to what they do except for all of the soldiers who have served our government in the last 20 years. You people have got a hard on for violence and I respect you so much. God bless you and yours
What a incredible woman, we need more like her..
This is a tremendous interview. Thank you for sharing. Dr. Peterson thank you for interviewing this magnificent woman.
She’s a lying pos. Read the comments from actual veterans if you want truth.
Canadian here... I love this listening to this lady and I'm so glad she's getting a bigger platform. Kelsi, I hope you run for office in Canada. We need people like you.
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Let’s ask her battle buddies what they think of her. Everything she’s said in these interviews has been fluff, common tropes even. She’s a liar. She’s grifting off of these idiots. Ask anyone who’s served, especially in combat.
@@southboundguitar OH really? you know this to be fact do you? well then why don't you sate your credentials, and supply the factual evidence you have in regards to it so you can be the hero here and discredit her with truth? come on now we are waiting!
Some of us are born to survive she is one of them. Amazing lady.
I don’t know why I wept listening to this. Doctor Peterson, thank you.
Thank you for having her on! This was a fantastic conversation.
Thank you both for a more profound vision of something vastly unknown about a first-person vision of struggle, battle and resilience
Been watching Kelsi for quite a while, great insight into the military mission does not consider the damage to their crew after the mission is over.
This woman is a Renaissance woman and a true gift from God.
I was also a Tomboy bullied at school by mean girls and its quite damaging. Also hung out with the boys and enjoyed sports and was very good at it (played in the national hockey team). I have also had negative experiences in the workplace and think it has to do with competence and asking questions. I wish Jordan would do more about bullies, female bullies are a problem in society but because of how they operate it’s hard to pinpoint and we need to expose these behaviours. I also related to the part about transitioning, I think I would have because I sometimes wished I was a boy. I am happy to be a women and with who I am. Thanks for sharing stories of these strong women who often get labelled difficult in society because they are strong, honest and determined.
As a Canadian woman I am thankful to hear from a Canadian female veteran. Thank you all for your service ❤️
She's annoying and narcissistic but a lot of what she's saying is true.
@@sherriflemming3218 Don't take the bait.
She’s annoying and narcissistic, and everything g she has said is a lie. Tropes, even. Ask an actual veteran. Better yet, just read out comments.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 feel free to elaborate on why YOU "THINK" this is so, she has not shown any of what you seem to "THINK" or "FEEL"
Sis you are fire. So much extroversion even in every one of her gestures. Amazing talk. So many truths she has spoken.
You can see how much better she has become since her first appearance on JRE or Lex a while ago. So good to see her loving life and spreading positivity around.
Ya she had to refine her bs
A strong honorable woman! God bless you!✝️🙏🇺🇸
@@saxon8981 You my friend, aren't supposed to tell the naive that. Leave them. They're a lower caste. Don't even contaminate yourself engaging with them.
@@jamesoheary3757 I'm beginning to think more that way
A strong stench from that beat up split. She’s reciting common tropes that have been around the military for decades. She’s a liar and a grifter, and you’ve been hoodwinked. Ask her battle buddies what they think about her.
This is the best interview i've ever watched
This channel has the best interviews ever.
Wow! Seriously, people need to watch this before it gets deleted by the algorithm! 🙏🏻
well y’all I’m headed straight over to her podcast
Oh my God! Mr. Peterson thank you for lending your platform to a very important topic and strata of our population that society shuns. 1:57
Agreed with your comment but if you respect all the years of school he had to go through to be called Doctor, you should call him that, not Mister.
Sincerely, she's a brilliant lovely soul.
Incredible! What Kelsi went through in the military is unbelievable, let alone her civilian life. What an absolutely fascinating person.
Thank you for your service
Kelsi you're amaaaaaaaaazing!!! Thank you for the difference you make!!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Dear Jordan, your abundance of knowledge is like a fountain of gold providing endless wealth of information!! Thank you thank you thank you
its not knowlege
Yep. It’s just too bad that he wasted it on this liar.
Saw Kelsi a while back on Triggernomitry. Fascinating lady and I bought her book straight after the interview. Fascinating stuff and a sobering look at what war actually is.
Good job Kelsi, thanks for your bravery.
Thank you for speaking Kelsi.
Thank you for your honesty, transparency. Much needed.
This was such a delight! Thanks Dr. Peterson and Kelsi for doing this.
Thank you for sharing your story. I’ve been considering psychedelics because I’ve tried the other VA options and I’m only authorized a year of any kind of treatment despite how long it takes me to trust. You provided a wonderful example of how they can be implemented successfully. I’m glad your path took you to the help you needed.
I really like this person for sticking to their knowledge base and experience. I like her a lot.
One of the best episodes ever. Jordan thank you for listening. You always know what’s best.
This woman is amazing! I LOVE her!
Amazing podcast, what a beautiful person and amazing story. Thank you for sharing!
Wow!!! Just wow!!! Well done you two.
So amazing to hear Kelsi Sheren's story and l'm so thankful she has made a full recovery. The state of Canada's military has definately taken a nose dive.
I was briefly in the TA's 1978/9 as an Officer Cadet. I excelled in the classroom and in the field during basic training. At that time l was only expected to carry 30lb of kit whereas men carried 60lb. Also, it, policy that a woman would never be at the frontline (combat zone) and, had l continued, my job might have been as a driver or a secretary for senior officers in my unit. A side-arm was the most l would be expected to carry when on duty.
Very compelling stories. Thank you!
What a tremendous listener Jordan is.
What a woman, so impressive. One of the best interviews i have seen recently
What a spiritual journey! Wow, incredible.
loved a clip of this from before. glad to see the full version uploaded.
1) She had ADHD a child - which research shows is strongly linked to maternal stress. 2) She was probably funneled into marital arts as a way to disperse and harness her "energy" and "aggressiveness" 3) Her parents were "hardened" - maybe not so attentive to her emotional needs as a baby/toddler./young child. 4) She was placed in a rigid school environment which did nothing for her sense of "otherness" - she was bullied and not accepted by the other students - and not because of her haircut - that's just one of the things they latched onto. 5) She was deeply insecure. which she tried to overcompensate for by being a "tomboy" and excelling in martial arts 6) She has enmeshment with male authority figures 7) She was desperate to excel in a male dominated arena as a tiny insecure woman. What could go wrong? She was wired for mental illness from the jump and then it just played out. She's just lucky the THC./psychedelics didn't cause psychosis. Then she's be in a real mess.
@@elmamotley7887 She resisted/evaded most his initial queries and had lots of "defensive energy" - I think that is why he just let her talk and didn't dive too deep - he knew she wasn't capable and that it could harm her progress her if he pushed her too hard, which is probably the right call as he is not her therapist.
The problem with therapists like yourselves is the fundamental flaw in the overall approach; you CAN NOT medicalize or diagnose a human being and their lived experience. Bad therapists think they can do this. Sounds like a couple people here got butt hurt when their clan got attacked by a little woman who dared question your "authority". You're people failed to treat her; she found her own way and it worked, and you don't like that. I get it. ;)
@@WigganNuG Modern psychology/psychiatry is based on the medical model - yes - it is not ethical for a licensed practitioner to treat someone or do therapy with someone without that framework. Bad therapists are people who discount or ignore science/neuroscience and other proper safeguards such as boundaries. . Are there limits to this model - yes. I did not hear where she said that she healed herself. I heard her praise her psychiatrist (medical model) and psychedelics which are currently being studied for there efficacy (medical model). She also expressed the importance of being supported by an empathetic and understanding peer group. I didn't hear her attacking a "clan". I heard her criticize the lack of resources provided to veterans in Canada - which is totally valid - and praise the medical model treatment she received in Texas. It sounded to me like she was asking for more medical help in Canada - not less.
@@WigganNuGIf you’re familiar with Carl Roger’s, this interview resembled how he would conduct psychiatric care. No confrontation, let them speak their mind and in doing so they will unravel their mind(this is my bad attempt at explaining Roger’s main approach). And it shows how Jordan was in the backseat in this interview. Compare it to most of his other interviews, he’s not afraid to cut off guests, but here it was nonexistent.
@@jamesnguyen7385 I wouldn't describe his approach here as Rogerian. He asked clarifying factual question, but not clarifying emotional questions meant to encourage her to deepen her emotions. The degree of empathy he showed was appropriate for an fact based interview - but it was much less than one would see in a counseling session. He did not appear (from my point of view) to be doing therapy and did not cross over into that territory - he held the boundary between the two types of conversations. So why do you think he was less confrontational/interuptive of her?
When I was in the military in the 1960’s we talked endlessly about the danger of women in the frontline. We were against it then and I believe most squaddies are against it now
Maaaaan! What an episode!! So good!, love that the interview was done sitting on the table, makes it more intimate ❤❤❤
Thanks Dr. Peterson, it was a great podcast.
Thank you both for what you do and for sharing your story’s
Amazing!! Absolutely amazing!
Fascinating story. Thank you.
Great conversation! Thank you Jordan, and thank her for her Service.
Wow, what an amazing episode.
Thank you very much stay safe 🙏