Truth as Glorious Adventure | Douglas Murray | EP 376
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- Опубликовано: 27 апр 2024
- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Douglas Murray, author of “The War on The West,” discuss how a misguided purpose leads to abject misery, the cowardice of experts who choose silence in the face of malevolence, the psychology of fear, and the necessity of willful exposure to combat it.
Douglas Murray is a British writer, playwright, media correspondent and political commentator. He is the founder of the think tank the Centre for Social Cohesion, which is now part of the Henry Jackson Society. His publications include but are not limited to: “The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam (2017),” “The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity (2019),” and most recently “The War on the West: How to Prevail in the Age of Unreason (2022)”. Murray has also written columns for publications such as “The Wall Street Journal” and is an associate editor for “The Spectator.”
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:30) Intro
(1:25) The issue of purpose
(3:08) Piaget, the Messianic phase
(5:48) You have to work at gratitude
(8:27) Context collapse, the natural state of mankind
(10:38) Willful blindness, Job, Elijah
(16:33) The pact broken in suicide
(19:55) Resentment and bitterness
(22:39) The meaning of faith
(25:07) Music is the language of religion
(29:07) We put the semantics above depth
(33:00) Jung, the crucifixion, the essence of tragedy
(35:19) Time’s Arrow, seeing evil in reverse
(39:49) The Trial of God
(42:58) Why not deceive yourself?
(44:47) A new category of argument
(48:09) You steer your own misery
(50:43) Cowardice, negotiating identity
(54:29) Increasing bravery through exposure
(1:00:30) How to activate new genes
(1:02:05) Facing death, embalming
(1:07:03) Why so few speak in the face of tyranny
(1:11:31) Admiration is rooted in the religious instinct
(1:16:16) Some hope for the next generation
(1:17:33) Two ways to use language
(1:21:10) When you partake in falsehood
(1:23:32) Play and the orientation toward truth
(1:25:58) The tension of opposites, opportunity and purpose
(1:29:19) Vision, writing out your potential
(1:33:24) Bari Weiss, a different kind of column
(1:36:33) Tatiana Gnedich
(1:41:15) Furnish your mental furniture well
(1:43:33) There is no better pathway forward
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My son was severely disabled, non verbal and had cerebral palsy and spastic quadriplegia, he also had the best laugh in the world, an amazing personality and a love for life and music until he took his last breath at 27 years old. I don’t think the value of someone else’s life should be decided by any outside force, and especially not a bunch of corrupt, lying, narcissistic politicians.
Wonderful observation from personal experience, that's the voice we need to hear more of.
Amazing that he left you such a beautiful memory! May he rest in peace.
I am a full time carer for my severely autistic 22 year son. Ill be doing this job, happily, till I die. I understand exactly what you mean mate. Reading that you lost your boy made me cry. Although my son has a mental age of a five year old, I can not imagine losing him because he's taught me more about life than any philosopher. I'm so sorry...
@@anthonybrett I was very lucky and blessed to have him in my life as long as I did, his prognosis according to Doctor’s was that they didn’t think he would live past 11 years of age, so I was blessed with many more years than that and each one of those years was a gift for me, as he was an amazing human despite his life being very difficult and him often being in more pain than anyone should be. I was very lucky to have him in my life. I wish you and your son many more years of time together, but in the end it’s never enough years when your child goes before you do, I hope that is something you never have to face. I have a lot of happy memories and the belief he is somewhere better than here and no longer in anymore pain.❤️
@@ladidaohoh3168 You guys just broke my heart, while simultaneously making my day. Thank you for your generosity. Ain't the internet strange...
A 55 year old working class fella here who recently discovered and loves listening to these types of conversations. Not just the topics but the eloquence within them . Thanks Jordan, Douglas.
❤
Two of the best right here, intellectual tsunami :)
How did you find Jordan? I’m from the US and found him through political friends. Glad I did. Ha.
51 year old father of a 6 year old boy. I thank you JP and Douglas a million times over.
I'm with you, Mark. Dr. Peterson and Douglas Murray are gems. As is (IMHO) Sam Harris and also the fabulous duo podcasters Glenn Loury & John McWhorter. Passing along in case you might not be familiar. Enjoy!
These two together… I could listen to all day.
The way Douglas Murray talks and carries himself is such a throwback. I feel like I’m watching a 1950s and 1960s intellectual when they’re invited on a talk-show.
Well said
YES! I see a Twinge of Kenneth Williams when he was being serious.
Remember he is from a working class family who was able to get a scholarship to Eton. Shame that he feels he can't be himself.
You must be referring to the high standards on display. Enjoy your baseball caps and hoodies.
@@foofkanonHe's from a middle class family. Can you explain why you don't think he is being himself?
Never get sick of hearing Douglas talk
Never
He's definitely a 💎
@camaro4ever222 You know that the woke idiots are wrong about the western world still being a dunghill of Homophobia by the fact that sooooo many millions of people love him and find what he thinks & says so thought provoking when 100 years ago he would have been Totally dismissed as an intellectual pervert simply to him being gay.
These 2 talk all these ideas and this is the best brain thought you could come up with .
How does it benefit anything in anway that you tell us all that you like listening to him? Guess what. The rest of us didn't need to know that.
I like bananas in a smoothie. So fucking what.
@@WillThomson-st6hm you are a tool
I just finished watching the entire Munk Debate between Douglas Murray, Matt Taibbi, Malcolm Gladwell, Michelle Goldberg. Douglas Murray is a beast at debates. Seeing Douglas Murray and Dr. Peterson discuss issues is a privilege. This is the kind of intellectual discussion that society is desperately missing in 2023.
But the left have moved away from these two, the left has gone mad all over the west
Not when you describe it like that
Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson... the most sensible, decent and admirable two men I can think of letting us in on their conversation - what a privilege!
DM & JP aren't "letting you in". Internet hardware and the google corporation "let you in" on the conversation... and DM & JP get paid for it by other corporations' advertising budgets.
...this was not to criticize, just to clarify.
I like how Douglas steered away from the Lecture, and YET, here we go again. 😂😅
Since Jordan joined the Wire, he has CHANGED.
He's heavy into RELIGION and keen to PREACH.
I'm disappointed that he Always comes back to Preaching. 😢
@@Sweethands4. What are you trying convey here. What is wrong with payment for expounding one’s knowledge. Not many around in their league.
@salbonesally. Absolutely agree.Douglas is in a league of hie own.
I'm never more focused on every word someone's saying than I am when listening to Douglas. He truly uses language to its fullest potential
I agree, he has mastered the art of language.
CHILE ARGENTINA AURORA AUSTRAL
I heartily agree!!!
He comes across as a horses hoof
This combination of brains & verbal finesse is something to strive for
You are forgetting the good and deep heart! Why is it just the "brain"?? Cheats and villains can have brain, even verbal finesse - but where does that take them?
“…but only the mentally fit, carry on…”PROTOJE,’EVIL DISPLAY’ (good message in song)
verbal finesse - yes that's the phrase i was looking for describing douglas to a friend
You either have brains or not, can’t strive for that
This is what a college education is supposed to produce.
We need Douglas to publish a list of essential English literature (politics, history, philosophy, and poetry). Even if it’s only, something like ten books in each category, it could go a long way towards helping people interested in “changing their life” getting started.
I love your idea!
Yes!
Excellent idea
Yes please!
Perfect idea!
We need more people like Douglas Murray in this world. A true gem of a man!
I am grateful for Douglas Murray every day!
I am grateful too,
For what…what is he doing to change the status quo? Will he step out from behind his well paying camera work and get dirty with the rest of us him and Peterson. Just like government that wants you to go to war to die for them .
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I’m grateful for JP every day. I enjoy listening to him bc besides being a highly intellectual and knowledgable man he’s also a spiritual man with a conscience and a soul. So many people nowadays don’t have a soul.
Murray epitomizes the best of British civilization and culture. As an Irishman, I find it hard to acknowledge our debt to Britain but let’s face it - high watermark of human development. And our man Murray here embodies it.
British under-statement at its peak. Complex issues summed up in few words. We so need Douglas.
Aye,but he’s also a Scot, and therefore a Celt. Can we abide a lie? Whether it’s to brag about something one didn’t do but claims or to weasel themselves out of an unpleasant situation.
It's nice to listen to people who have learned some things that work in life, but also double check each other and finally most importantly keep learning what works and sharing it with others. Leave what doesn't work for people and the earth behind where it belongs. Embrace and share what does work to have better lives and futures for as many as possible.
Talking about a person spending twenty years strapped to a board in a straight jack in the basement of an insane asylum or hospital sounds like a problem that should have been solved around 19 years and 11+ months sooner as peacefully and wisely as possible. Nobody should live suffering like that any longer than the soonest it can be solved. Error and trial until you find something better!
@@druoleary well, born and bred in England to an English Mother, with a Scottish father. So a half Scot 🙂
No he is mine @@gooner_duke2756
Perhaps the best interviewer and interviewee combination on the planet. Both of these are among the most brilliant and important minds in western civilization today. Every time they get together is a gift to mankind. That the masses across the planet can access a discussion between these two for nearly free is almost miraculous.
Well said. I couldn't agree more . I was going to leave a comment, but yours summed it up perfectly 👌
Jordan's interviewing skills need a bit of polishing. He tends to cut his guests off too often. He's getting better but he has a way to go. I think he hogged the conversation a bit too much here. It wasn't as bad as his Dawkins inerview though.
Absolute it’s a pleasure to be able to listen to our greatest and most liberating minds, like you say these two are a treasure.
My thoughts exactly.
How are they important? While I love listening to them, I can't helpt but notice that they are mostly irrelevant in the public discussion. Maybe that's because I'm German, and in my country we are not too used to non-native speaking public intellectuals. But I have a feeling that even in the Angloshpere these guys are not all that impactful. In the end, what they produce here is entertainment. Word porn. I'd love this to be otherwise. But I don't see politicians, be that in power or in the making, who make it a habit to lean on intellectual figures like that.
Douglas represents everything I love about British people! Such a character!
I am so perplexed by those Western "intellectuals" who decided that since Western civilization has imperfections, it should be destroyed. Instead, they admire adepts of any idea that might even sound nice on the surface, from communism to Islamism, as long as it helps to destroy Western civilization. It happened in Russia, it happened in Germany - but these folks learned nothing, because they hate what they have, and they don't understand the idea of gradual improvement, they need the results now.
And he's openly gay to boot. Love it.
@@Tamara-qd5dc- very well said indeed!
An absolute joy to hear two incredible gentlemen speak on a very high level with intelligence and and a great deal of humility
In a world full of madness, listening to sane people like you is highly needed
“….but only the mentality for carry on..” PROTOJE, ‘EVIL DISPLAY’ ( great message in the music)
these are extremely charming and beautiful men, they could easily be selected as Hollywood actors just for their physical appearance, now add to that their brains, winsdom and knowledge, it´s a priviledge (and I am NOT a gay man)
@@kaledon6 You are a bit. I'd let Douglas buy me a drink
@@dannffc Well. I'd let Jordan buy me a drink :)
How do you gauge sanity though? The actions of the majority? or people you happen to agree with?
Murray's book War on the West is by far the most thorough and honest discussion about a very real collapse of Western Civilization right now - absolutely mind blowing.
What’s mind blowing is how that’s the conclusion you’ve come to.
A decent book, but the best? Certainly not
@@seanhobbinsNot to worry, your complaint has been seen and will automatically be forwarded to the manager. Thanks for your input Karen
It's an amazing book, no doubt. Absolutely loved it.
@@seanhobbinsby which we must assume that you disagree. You don't think Douglas's book was original and important? Can you offer another analysis of the state of Western culture that does a better job?
I love Douglas Murray. He’s a voice of reason in the midst of insanity. I especially enjoy hearing him break down the reality of the nonsense his opponents are spouting. Having these two sit down together is a treat.
Agree
I am a sixty six year old Woman. I have been diagnosed with many autoimmune illnesses which are slowly changing my way of life. This has made me realize that if I don't control the things I can control like my diet, I am going to become more miserable as I age. As I moniter what I eat, I have learned that I respect myself more. I have found that I can focus now on feeling more sensations that I hadnt remembered since I was a child.
The joy of being in a warm bath or pool. Also, the soft feel of a fluffy blanket or petting a cute animal.
Beautiful things and music.
If we concentrate on our inner self, our other senses come to the fore and fill in the gaps of what we were used to having. I am growing even though I am elderly. It's an amazing thing.
I have had to look after myself since I was a small child and I have experienced some terrible things and I was bitter for years. I have come to the conclusion that it is up to me to help me. If I can be less dependant on the outer World and be more dependant on the inner me I have found that I am on another road of self acceptance.
It has been a wonderful experience listening to you both. Thank you.
Both of you make me not feel crazy. My family came from Nazi Germany and my childhood in the German community warnings my entire life. As a 12 year old I told my father “we live in America that will never happen here “. Sooo…when I saw a month into Covid I saw the communist tactics and then spoke out to everyone I know. Lost lots of family and friends (also my job). Thank you! It’s the only hope not to enter into another dark period.
An interesting comment
I hope you have found another job and are doing well.
Ouch. I think I might react badly if I was fired for telling the truth. Really badly.
Murray: "These people have no chance." Please examine the memories of the "White Guards", those who fought with the Bolsheviks ("Red Guards"). They also believed that the Bolsheviks have no chance and that the people would understand everything and after a short time will overthrow the Bolsheviks. I am from Eastern Europe. In my youth, I was a member of the Communist Party, until I was disappointed. You still do not see global coordination and purposefulness of sophisticated actions and the power of these left -wing political movements that have entered into an alliance with bureaucracy and the world oligarchy (see Vivek Ramaswamy). And I also want to ask you to discuss a possible collective resistance plan. This is an illusion that you can defeat them preaching individual stoicism. You cannot defeat them if you are not organized! The tsunami of evil goes to us! God save us! And thank you!
Hang in there, you're not alone
Our daughter has hemipalegia cerebral palsy. Never sued to get a settlement. She is now has a position as lead engineer working for Raytheon. She struggled mightily to get where she is but a huge settlement would almost certainly prevented this outcome. Against enormous odds she has persevered and become uncommonly successful
Good on your daughter and you for supporting her. I, too, have hemiplegic cerebral palsy. It’s not easy, but I still love life.
God bless your you and your daughter! ❤
@@LucyMoll we are blessed beyond measure
@@emilyosullivan5692 Gratefulness is always a blessing
@LucyMoll can I just ask, are you blessing your God for inflicting the disability to this person, or blessing them that they have pulled through despite the disability
Douglas at 58mins; "I thought I could look my grand parents in the face". That's a powerful thought very powerful thing that's struck a core with me.
I completely agree. And I found the comment to have a two-fold meaning. First, that he better understood them as human beings and second, that he felt a certain type of shared-experience that they may have been proud of him for braving. I thought the statement was profound and moving.
Thank you both for allowing us to listen in! The best fun in a long time. 11/12/23. Sarasota, FL.
The gravitation pull of two intellectual, truthful, real men; discussing societal and individual issues is astonishing. Always a treat, thank you!
Story Time on Steroids?
One intellectual. The other is boxing himself into a religious zealot frame of mind and is losing his pull with non-religious people that have the freedom of thought required to be an intellectual.
@@r13hd22good one
@@r13hd22 no you've misread his work. He is pulling the LESSONS from religion...not pushing a set religion itself. No zealot there, just a psychological analyses taking place.
you don't know how a semicolon works😊
I could listen to Douglas Murray talk all day long. He’s such a clear and insightful thinker.
This should have hundreds of thousands of likes to go with the views. Two great men in my opinion. Always interesting to listen too them.
I listened to this marvelous discussion while pruning in my garden and tidying up for the coming winter, which is the time for growth underground, the strengthening of roots to anchor plants to support them through the brutalities of Texas summer's blast. I found myself similarly fortified. Thank you, gentlemen. ❤ I am refreshed and enriched.
What a beautiful visual and metaphor. Thanks for this.
What a refreshing departure from the daily drivel oozing from the mundane stuff of politicians brains.
In my opinion these are the two most important voices today. Extremely intelligent and well thought out. Regardless of political beliefs, they're incredibly fair and provide listeners with information and insight that's impossible to find. Thank you both
Well said.
@@dariusus9870Oh dear somebody's got a big chip on their shoulder 🙄
@@dariusus9870 His recent leavings are exactly that (like this video), which is unfortunate given most publications from a decade ago were built on brutally observed fact.... All this god-bothering waffle either indicates some ~wires have been crossed, or he has simply sold out completely to the $church$.
Both men have very interesting things to say most of the time. But like this going into religion is pure word salad to me. As in retrofitting stoneage morality into morality.
@@dariusus9870 Anything in particular you don't agree with?? Since you obviously watched the whole video.
Every time DR. JBP and Douglas Murray get together for a talk, there goes the next 2 hours of my life, as far as I'm concerned
I like the "as far as i'm concerned" reference 😉
LOL with admiration for your confession 😊
The result improves your life, so there goes nothing.
That's 2 hours gained! Not lost! :D
Bingo
Imagine sitting down to dinner with these gentlemen. Wouldn't have to say a word, just listen , eat and thoroughly enjoy. ❤
Recently found Douglass and absolutely love hearing this man speak! What a great joy to hear these two gentlemen speak. I’m grateful minds like these exist and I get to listen to them.
Two of my all time favorite people in a world filled 98% with fools
I agree. I feel like there are so many who watch these two talk all these ideas, and all 98% of fools can say is "I like these two". What total idiots taking up comment space. I'm sure you agree.pointless hero worship. If you check comments there I mostly just stupid people with mindless judgemental opinions jist like that. People who apparently don't have the ability to discuss any of the IDEAS and can only pass their judgment X factor rating on them.
It's sickening.
Two of my favorite people. I really enjoy the wit and wisdom of Douglas whenever he is your guest, Dr. Peterson.
I've read all Murray's books since "The Strange Death of Europe", and each has been wonderful.
Its on my to do list to read his books. But its tough, because im not native speaking English and non of the books are translated, so its challenging. But ill start soon.
I'm so glad you told us that you like them .we were all watching eating to find out if you liked them or not, that way we know to like them.
Go read other comments and contracts those with "proper brain thoughts" to the ones that mindlessly go "I like this,".
That's what the like button was for.
@@WillThomson-st6hm
Somebody is suffering from small penis syndrome, isnt he?
@@larscooleman8221 Audiobook mate.I think he narrates them himself.
The knowledge base of these two individuals and the eloquence, fluidity and sensibility of their conversations on any topic is incredible.
I stand in awe of such inspiring, gripping and light-shedding conversation. Thank you; I am grateful. Please have more of Douglas Murray- you are a great , adventurous pairing.
It's difficult to express exactly how constructive and illuminating this discussion is, the fact is, I challenge anyone to listen and not find themselves compelled to examine themselves thoroughly. If you do stumble into examining yourself, rather unwittingly, know that it's good for you. If you find yourself examining everyone else in your life but yourself, I would suggest you're in trouble and likely you are the problem. Thanks fellas, immensely instructive, thoroughly enjoyable and much appreciated, you have my gratitude.
Well worded !!! His conversation really making me think and wanting to pursue more knowledge into these subjects. Anddd to better myself ❤
Like Frank Burns?
God bless you. 🙏🏻🤍👌🏻
@@Ali.Al-MahdiFeeling better now? Some might feel lifted up by your imagination and sarcasm.
@@Ali.Al-MahdiEsteemed by who ?
Without even pressing play I know this is going to be the most refreshing conversation I've heard all year.
Update: Play was pressed, and I am indeed refreshed.
These 2 gentleman are my heroes. Their intelligence and verbal dexterity r saving civilisation!
It's simply marvelous to listen to Jordan and Douglas together, the brightest minds of our times.
WELCOME TO LA PATAGONIA
Now throw in Stephen Fry and Bret Weinstein
24:57 "And a faith -- a recognition that the depth is telling you something."
Very well put. ❤
“Deep calls to deep..” ✌🏼
Douglas is a great listener as well as speaker. A very patient man.
I really like the concept of unshakeable gratitude in the face of adversity. At the same time, my 87yr old aunt got cancer for the third time and couldn't face anymore treatment, so she opted out gracefully (IMO). We all got to say goodbye while she was not yet a wreck and in constant pain. There is no feeling of cheating and we still think of her very fondly.
Yeah, I don’t really consider that suicide. She was old and ready to go home. I hope she is resting in peace. My regards to your family.
@@jdk67 Thanks. I posted this just to show there are many perspectives on life and death. We also believe in celebrating the deceased, rather than mourning - tears are allowed.
It was also very therapeutic to put together such a celebration for my father after he passed, and a great help to my mother.
It is fine and not against any religious beliefs to let nature take its course. It's another thing to enlist a doctor to kill you to hurry it along. I hope she did the former.
@@diatonicdelirium1743 Yes I agree with you entirely. The question of euthanasia is by no means black and white.
I recently saw a documentary on a man, a husband with two young children, who had been in a tragic accident. He survived but as a result suffered an extremely rare condition caused by severe nerve damage which left him in a wheelchair and in constant unimaginable agony, every minute of every hour of every day.
The doctors in the video said that the condition caused the worst pain of any illness or condition known to medicine. He was on massive amounts of pain killers with only modest relief.
I felt so sad for this dear man. It was heartbreaking to watch him in obvious pain and despair, and this condition had no cure or prospect of improvement.
I wonder if he continues on for the sake of his wife and children. If I were his wife, I would make it clear to him, that if felt he could not continue on in this way, I would support him 100% in a decision to end it, with love and support. 🙏💞😢 I cannot see any joy in such a life with no hope of respite, ever.
Sorry for your loss. Acceptance is what she conquered.
Two people I never get tired of listening to. Having them together is a treat and in itself makes my day better. Thank you.
Just wonderful listening to Douglas Murray. If only I could be one fraction as articulate. Thank you!
Douglas is the best man I have listened to in a long time.
I’ve fallen myself asleep late at night at times listening to these two iconic intellectual voices. Never. Getting. Tired. So powerful 🙌🏼💪🏼
I need to hear men having conversations like this, it gives me hope that not all is lost! Bravo Jordan and Douglas🙏
@@_Peterson_B_Jordanhey..
Jordan is such a sincere thoughtful man. He fully invests himself in every person he interacts with. Douglas Murray is brilliant. A pleasure to listen to these two intellectual icons.
@@DavidHeffron78 Sorry to hear about your problem. Is it treatable or terminal?
@DavidHeffron78 I understand the insufferable comment but how are they fools?
@@DavidHeffron78
I'm not trying to be difficult. Could you give a specific example?
@@andersmful😂😂
@@DavidHeffron78 amsure these 2 fellows are very aware of their flaws and as intelligent as they are i am sure they try to work on them? How about you?
God I do love listening to Douglas Murray think out loud.
My favourite two intellectual giants. What an absolute treat! Thank you both so much for coming together. Superb!
JAVIER MILEI ARGENTINA
agreed, stephen fry is a close 3rd.
An entire spectrum of Catholic human behavior can be mapped along the 10 Commandments based on Aristotlian esthetical imperatives expressed in Roman Catholic Language.
There are 10 Commandments
3 Commandments toward God
7 Commandments toward Humanity
All 10 Commandments need to be properly balanced within the lively virtues: chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility. Aristotle posits 10 categories of existing things: substance, quantity, quality, relation, place, time, position, doing, having, and being affected. Each of these terms was defined by Aristotle in pretty much the same way we would define it today, the one exception being substance.
I agree but seeing either of these dealing with woke idiots is much more fun
Superb indeed, and the Lord knows we desperately need them both in these end times. 🙏
Faith is action based on courage and trust. Thank you Dr Peterson.
Dr. Peterson always comes off as genuine, because he always thinks before he speaks.
I’m a 26 years old Iraqi clinical pharmacist. My name is Serraa Khaphají. And this is a message to Dr. Peterson.
I’ve been a student to your teachings since 2017, and I cannot help but agree with the majority of what you teach, share, voice and believe. The reason that got me to comment today is this: I’ve overheard my parents watching an Iraqi interview between a tv show host and an activist, discussing the concept of the ‘social gender’, and the conspicuous opinion -now- that gender includes the social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of both biological genders and ‘supposedly’ other gender-identity. This ideology is being openly discussed here in Iraq, on the political front, but not yet socially. Us Iraqis have the not-so-intellectual attitude to care about ‘trend’ a little bit more than necessary, and to be entirely honest, I am terrified.
Iraq has been the closest thing to the host of multi-angled totalitarian despotism ever since 1978, or maybe before that. Politically, religiously, and socially, Iraq has been abused far than what’s imaginable, and it is not getting any better, not with this. Why? is the Left absolutely scared of their ‘theory’ falling out of proportion to the point they have to push it to another country to support it? Why this? People here have been confused as it is about raising their children since the 80’s, and I know it never looked like it was getting any better (at-least across my personal lifespan), but this? This where our politics still doesn’t accept homosexuality?
I always agree with your notion about specifying a place to stay the hell away from, I never thought though, that this place would be my country, not to this extent.
I hope this gets discussed by intellects like you, who search and seek the truth, and I hope you see this, because truly, never have I felt before to this degree, that things are spilling uncontrollably out of hands.
Thank you…
Wow, that’s crazy. Thanks for sharing. Who would have thought that in Iraq, of all places, the politicians and the media would try to misuse this topic to their advantage. Crazy, how it’s even spread to Iraq. But also not surprising, since a totalitarian state or dictatorship will always use trends to further expand their ideology or strengthen their influence.
Bump
May you continually search for truth no matter where it leads you. Even if the truth is unpleasant, uncomfortable, inconvenient, embarrassing, difficult and even painful.
May you find Truth, may Truth find you. Salaam, Habibti!
@@avigailomichael Thank you 🙏🏻✔️
I would put this conversation on my mantle as evidence on why the world needs to move away from short form information seeking and thought and manipulation. These long form discussions, which encompass so much of life, give us the depth and breadth not to just consume information, but to learn how to think about it, discuss it, and learn from it.
Thank you both.
I totally agree, excellent take
very well said! I wish though people could continue this form of conversation elsewhere, possibly face-to-face. We need to find new avenues for social interaction that are more beneficial and effective for the good and health of our communities.
This conversation is why the tyrants won’t ever get their way,not for very long at least,TRUTH and search for meaning will always shine through and these conversations are beacons that draws us like moths to a flame in the darkness that is reality!
Douglas Murray is one of the if not the best journalists I have ever heard! ❤️
Douglas is a treasure. May he live and evolve forever more
Douglas Murray, yes! Nice to see him back... JP have him on more often!
Douglas is amazing
I find myself entranced in watching these intellectual giants grappling with what aught to be common sense. Thank you!
Six months ago I was unaware of Douglas Murphy; now, I can’t imagine being unaware of this intelligent, articulate man. Thank you, Dr Peterson, for bringing us this interview!
I’ve always wondered what people felt like when great minds of the distant past were alive & influencing people, but only on very limited scales & timeframes. It’s such a privilege to absorb this knowledge from these men in real time and for the entire world to see all at once.
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Me too! Have often thought: what must it have been like for the listeners in Ancient Greece who got to listen to the talks of the great philosophers at that time? Now we can experience a similar thing in our own lives 😊
Write about it to consolidate learning!
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The two most courageous men alive talking to each other. What a treat ❤
they seem to spend a lot of time explaining how they are not courageous, they just know what to fear, and that is not speaking your mind publicly.
Negotiating your Identity... That has to be the best way of saying "learn to be your best self for yourself and others. Not because you are told to but because you communicate".
Every time i see and listen to Jordan is strikes me...
This is how the Legends, the Philosophers of history must have been like that we all know of today, thousands of years later. The intellect, the deph of thought, the concise dialogue/monologue and the precision in argument and speech.
Douglas just might be my absolute favorite British speaker. His last book was phenomenal. He always has something compelling to say on a long-form podcast like this. He's the hero we need, not the hero we deserve.
@kimchimasala. Don’t look for heroes. They won’t rescue you. They can help, but they are only human and are as prone to moral error as the rest of us. Some of the responses here are over the top. The search for heroes is a bad sign. Learn everything you can from everyone. But keep your dignity and independence.
Mr. Murray is now in the top 10 World Hero's for the month of July 2023. Thank you Mr. Murray.
Two brilliant men. Thank you for talking sense and standing up to the bullies!
Two brilliant men. Thank you so much for letting us listen to your conversation.
I'm genuinely grateful for this video and the conversation presented. I'm a practicing therapist (LCSW) for the past 19 years. I've worked in Drug Court and with veterans, adolescents and now inpatient (suicidal) adults. I am not surprised that non-acceptance and ingratitude (bitterness) causes and prolongs suffering. I'm not discouraged or threatened in any way to challenge victimization, blaming, and demanding things without effort...if I'm drummed out of this profession I will dig potatoes or pour driveways. I appreciate your work, both Doug and Dr. Peterson; and I look forward to more books, content, and continually challenging the pervasive deceptions so many desperately want.
Similar story here, though I started out with risk assessment in the ER, then went to acute inpatient, and finally moved on to private practice outpatient. I'd be very interested to pick your brain outside of youtube. I'm with a good group of fellow Peterson acolytes, though most are LPCs. I'm the lone LCSW.
I’m a 35 year Master’s prepared LMSW as well and I had to retire early due to woke culture creeping in on our unit. I refused to play identity games whether it came with pronouns or endorsing “furries” who wanted to be called “kitty”. I was accused of being “trans phobic” and a “Trump lover” but I believed I cared deeply for the mental health well being of patients. I refuse to co-opt in the insanity and happily retired. Thank God! I’ll find other ways of being in service to others
Therapists like yourselves are being drummed out of the profession by politically zealous licensures and idealogically bound institutions of "higher" learning.
You’re all sane and therefore are definitely still needed because you’re of value currently hidden for shallow and meaningless words and activities
@@AB-nj4ex If you thought it was bad 10 years ago you'd really hate it now because now they beat you over the head with idealogy and then infantilize you with gift cards for feeding them back their own idealogy. What I will say is for most people myself included when you've finally had enough of letting drugs ruin your life and making it a living hell, you can quit no matter where you are. I got sober in a VOA homeless shelter, while I was there I witnessed tremondous abrupt violence, suicide, drugs were everywhere, corruption amongst the staff everything from having sex with residents, aquiring drugs for them, stealing from residents, faking drug test results, planting contraband etc. Yet despite all of that, including a SWAT team raid of the facility after a resident in meth induced psychosis attempted to murder everyone in the facility with a particularly brutal instrument, whom we finally were able to lock in the bathroom where he proceeded to hang himself and die before the SWAT team arrived. Despite all of that horror, depravity and drugs I was able to stay sober and rebuild my life. It took monumental effort but once I realized I was the person causing all of my problems and that my solutions to the vicissitudes of life we're causing my life to be unbearable, I finally reached a bottom from which I could rebuild a foundation for the rest of my life. Point being you can change, no matter where you find yourself.
So very much enjoyed this interview. I really connected with the idea of exposure therapy and facing your fears. As a small child I was absolutely terrified by car washes, I thought these machines were going to break through the windows and we'd die violently. I would have a major melt down, some adults in my family thought it was hilarious to take me through them and watch me go into hysterics, laughing at my terror. But my father took me aside. Explained to me to trust him, I would be safe, he would take me through it and I would be ok. I remember him sitting me in the front seat and knowing that my father (in my childs eye) was the bravest strongest man ever and he would never lie to me, I took a deep breath and sat quietly while we drove through the car wash. I was never afraid again. After listening to this interview I see my father taught me a life skill that day. Ever after when I find fear gripping me by something, I move forward into it, facing my fear, not allowing it to control me. I am ever grateful to my father for moments like this in my life. And it's wonderful to hear JP and DM discuss why this works. To me fear is a flag to pay attention but then not to allow it to over come you. Courage is necessary to live life fully.
Thank you for sharing this memory. What a perfect lesson.
What an incredible father you have!
A true father
I've watched this podcast for the third time and it just keeps giving. Life is a journey and the prize is wisdom.
Can we just listen to these guys talk, like, every day? The two of them riffing off each other is so organic and refreshing.
I thank God for these two giants of intellect and reason.
My two personal heroes. I could listen to them all day. What great men they are.
Long-form discussions between smart people are excellent mental food. These two gentlemen are a couple of the best.
I am very grateful that we have these two brilliant men willing to share their intelligence with the world.
I love the casual nature of such a profound deep conversation. The type of chat that you have with a dear friend after dinner being served.
I cried so many times during this episode. This means so much to me. You two are my heroes!
Warriors of Integrity.
God Bless Them.
Douglas is the man! Makes me proud to be a Brit.
Yes! Douglas Murray is at his best when he is on your show, in my opinion. He seems to be more sincere and passionate here than anywhere else.
Loved Douglas’ sharing from his own life and grandparents generation. Very thought provoking, I’m 68 and made the mistake to start listen in bed… I just had to keep listening and thinking about fear, courage, purposeful living etc… meaningful wonderings about life. So glad you have a community that nourishes mind and character and spirit.
Watching these two talk is such a a pleasure. Watching Douglas Murray listen instead of talk is a rare and curious experience.
Aren’t we blessed by you two.❤🎉😊
Thank you both for living out your convictions. I appreciate your courage.
Always nice to hear people of high intellect share their well reasoned ideas. When i was younger i thought people like this ran the world and made all the most important decisions... what a shame that often isnt the case 😊
Thank you for sharing this truth stream, shine more light to darkness and empty vessels in the world.
What a pleasure. Two of my favourite people talking together.
These 2 men are the pinnacle of intelligence and courage. I could listen to them talk for days!! Thank you so much Dr.Peterson and Mr. Murray for speaking the truth.
they seem to spend a lot of time explaining how they are not courageous, they just know what to fear, and that is what happens when you do not speak your mind publicly.
which goes to show what drugs do to your body, it steals your soul, rx or street drugs
Douglas and Jordan arent courageous..
It's the others who are COWARDS!!
"Humor is just common sense dancing." What a unique and insightful statement.
Magnificent discussion, gentleman. Thank you .
A tremendous conversation by two humans that have great respect for one another. Not a criticism, just a point worth making - Douglas is Jordan's guest, we're here because we trust the host, but we invest in the conversation because we want to hear the guest.
What a pleasure to listen to two intelligent and aware people discussing relevant questions. Thank you.
Man I would LOVE to have an audio book of Douglas reciting and discussing his top 50 poems. Can we make that happen?
Poem #1: Jesus was gay
Oh boy that would be just wonderful
like there's a 'we' at your disposal...😅
@@rebeccamclass1912 The Jordan Peterson Federation for a Better World. Don't you know a thing? Excellent group in which to be a member.
Or the dictionary!
It is a privilege to listen to those two amazing men. It's so rare to have intellectuals of this level, but still humble in a profound way.
Fantastically insightful and utterly thought provoking. Thanks.
When I mourn for Scruton having passed away, I see Douglas Murray and I realize there is still a heartbeat in the UK.
Two highly intelligent men conversing 🤗❤️🌟
Quiet down kids...the grown ups are talking! These two are just too good! What a blessing to have access to listen in as two powerhouses distill down things that have actual meaning and value in this age of distraction and nonstop "click bait" both online and onLIFE. Anyway praise God for the good people still swinging away out there, fighting for the souls and existence of mankind!