Jocko Podcast 98 w/ Jordan Peterson. Breaking Your Wretched Loop. Dangerous But Disciplined
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0:00:00 - Opening
0:21:27 - Who becomes evil? And Why?
0:31:59 - Taking ultimate responsibility.
0:41:43 - Dangerous but disciplined.
0:59:40 - Discipline and kids psychology.
1:05:08 - How to be successful. Breaking the loop.
2:04:42 - Self Authoring.
2:34:36 - Determining personality traits.
2:53:35 - The rise of Jordan Peterson.
3:00:29 - Using praise and rewards carefully. Participation trophies?
3:13:25 - Support JockoStore stuff, Super Krill Oil and Joint Warfare, Origin Brand Apparel, with Jocko White Tea and Psychological Warfare (on iTunes). Extreme Ownership (book), The Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual.
3:41:39 - Closing Gratitude.
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Personality Test (code: willink): www.understandmyself.com
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When the smartest tough guy meets the toughest smart guy. Pure gold.
God, I couldn't stop laughing.
is jordan the smartest tough guy or the toughest smart guy? lol
YUBEL Δ toughest smart guy haha
Well said.
Makes no sense bro. Don't think Jordan acts tough at all.
I´m 23, and I can tell you, Jordan and Jocko are two big role models for our generation. This podcast is just gold. Please, never, never stop this podcast. More young people need to listen this guys. My generation needs it.
Jory Evans well it’s a bitter , harsh fucking pill to swallow . I’m 20 years old and realIzed almost every SINGLE part of me had to burned off and it was difficult to understand how stupid , selfish and ignorant i was.
leaveovertheriver That's great, and a very refreshing thing to hear. These guys are fantastic role models.
leaveovertheriver i drive between places for my job and today I was listening to this between destinations and I deliberately took the longer routes to get more time listening hahaha
same happened to me.
They both are my mentors :D
5yrs later and this is still one of the best conversations on the internet. Thank all three of you for being great men.
😊
😊😊😊
It feels recent. All the hate he received completely unjustified.
Yeah pretty much everything Dr. Peterson puts out seems timeless. It's hard to believe this is 6 years ago because the man has barely changed it seems like.
I have heard this podcast 5 times already
Love it
"...if you think that Evil does not exist in the World, you are wrong." Profoundly said.
Jocko just gets it. He understands to point Jordan in a direction and let him fully explore his ideas uninterrupted. Gained a fan my dude. Great show.
Not only that but he's eager to listen to Peterson, which is so incredible knowing he's listening to Peterson as intently as we are
Yeah I was really frustrated when Peterson was on the H3 podcast and he was on a really interesting thread about sociopaths and the host jumps in and changes the subject. Jocko lets it play out.
Jocko shows his mastery of risk assessment and is a great example of how to command yourself; Jocko's actions are uninfluenced and unaffected by malice of others. He has obtained the "American Dream" (freedom of thought not objects or social status). This is a great model for parenting and should be the basis of our elementary education (how to learn); currently authoritarian Learning (authority decides facts) only teaches submission to authority or perceived authority. USA DOE standard is 12 years to become a productive member of society, USMC officer training is 10 weeks to become proficient as unit command (critical thinking under dire & solitary situations)
Jake Conner "should be the basis of our elementary education (how to learn)" might want to learn to read before you strain that pea size brain, fucktard
Yeah, he made me a fan as well.
I think this entire country needs another Jocko/Jordan podcast. ASAP
Think we need that conversation now more than ever
Mandatory education worthy.
Jordan peterson podcast tour would be nice
Yep
It will happen with patience. Dr Peterson just explained about a week ago with his daughter in conversation to explain his emergence from a difficult sickness. He is also diligently working on his latest book and probable world touring. He will have a tremendous amount to say with current events soon.
I have access to the knowledge of 10,000 men, who themselves learned from 10,000 men. What a time to be alive.
And now you have chat GPT and artificial intelligence. A good time to be alive indeed.
You forgot to put the word “MEN” properly in all caps 👑
"It's better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war."
One of my favorite quotes of all time . .
"A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very, very, dangerous man, who has that under voluntary control." Jordan B. Peterson. Spot on. Our society was in such desperate need of a highly educated, respectable, expert on the mind and the human condition, to come forward and speak basic common sense with learned authority. He is a treasure.
Neither you nor Peterson are dangerous men though😂😂
No, Andrew, that is the primitive view. To think of someone as not dangerous because he doesn't look or in fact is not physically strong is ridiculous. That's what some of Augustus' enemies probably thought, too. And then there were none...
As Jocko says, "smart is always better than strong". They are not mutually exclusive, of course, so it would be optimal to score high in both areas.
@@arvidfalk5719 Nice troll control :3
Andrew Solomon you don’t know a god damn thing
Jason Wright I was about to write the exact same thing, well put sir!!!
I'll be forever grateful to Joe Rogan for introducing me to these two legitimate role models, and I'm a woman.
Get well soon Dr. Peterson.
I am glad there are good women out there listening to him also. It's sad that we are in a world where some ppl attack him. Agree with him or not is ok. He is just trying to help ppl . we all could use more of that.
Jocko and Jordan teach about the harsh realities of life and how to make yourself a competent and effective individual in the face of them. Nothing gendered about that.
Same here!
I agree with this statement 100% I am so grateful for the JRE! I've been introduced to so many people I would have never heard of. People I agree with, people i don't and those in the middle, where I don't mind hearing them out. I'm learning more about other viewpoints and mindsets. I feel very fortunate and blessed to live in a day in age that I have the means and opportunity to gain insight and information while on the go. While leading a busy life. 😊
It was the other way round for me. Dr. Peterson led me to Joe Rogan but yes, I am so glad I am seeing more women in the comment sections lately in these types of content lately. Just really happy. Also, I miss JBP so damn much.
I've had PTSD for 25 years. This talk has been worth all the years of therapy.
Do u think u could get this much without having therapy for long time? (Serious question, and i hope ure fine)
Honestly. If you just talk to people. A.k.a. Friend, then you will feel better. People like to be all dramatic about what's happened to them and claim that no one cares or say that it's not anyone's business. It's like, okay, then feel free to suffer on your own. The reality is if you simply talk to people, you have an outlet and the pressures Doesn't build up until you go nuts. It's that simple. You don't need to spend $500 an hour. Talking to dip s*** who f****** can't fix your problem. Within 10 years or 25 years. Obviously scam.
@@samiamgreeneggaandham yeah, I know a someone who works with the addicted. Real success isn't getting them clean, it's keeping them clean. Zero data on overall effectiveness of the program because they don't follow up anymore after just a couple of years. BTW the taxpayers fund this...
@@samiamgreeneggaandham- I was diagnosed with CPTSD a few years ago which is basically multiple traumatic experiences that are each capable of causing PTSD.
I have spent about 5 years being treated for it. What happens to the brain is a normal response to an abdominal injury. Just like you will form a scar when you cut yourself, the lower brain area which is responsible for immediate detection and response to danger becomes overly developed.
The problem is that this part of the brain has a tendency to take over and wants to run the show. It will react before you are consciously aware and when it does then you don’t have access to the prefrontal cortex which is the problem solving part and does the higher order thinking skills.
So you end up with a superpower for survival which is a very good survival tool but it’s not a good living skill. Conversely operating in the prefrontal cortex is a good living tool but it’s not a good survival tool because it takes too long when it’s a life or death situation and you have to respond immediately.
So the reason why therapy takes so long is that you have to build new pathways to connect the lower brain to the upper brain. That doesn’t happen unless you are doing it intentionally. Otherwise the survival part will just override the other parts. You come to rely on survival because it saves your life in an emergency and therefore it’s not just difficult but nearly impossible to shut it off when it’s already activated before the frontal cortex is. If you don’t have the wires to connect from one area to the other then you can’t switch from survival to living very easily when you’re activated by a stimulus. And the stimulus is activating the low brain before you are even aware it happened. So suddenly you don’t feel safe and you’re hit with a fight or flight response and all is was was a sound or smell or look on someone’s face or a black car coming from the right or someone taking a step towards you. Anything that happened before or during the trauma can become a trigger to switch off the cognitive function and switch on survival.
I did Nuro feedback therapy and when they did the brain scan, they could see the brain waves for PTSD were in the 90th percentile on the other brain waves were in the 10th percentile. After treatment I was able to get my brainwaves to function closer to a more normal range. I had already had a couple years of therapy before that but then I was attacked by an armed carjacker who fired 26 rounds at me at close range and I shot and killed him. It made it very difficult to negotiate with my lower brain to let go and let the cognitive brain run the show. It wanted to switch to survival 24/7 and that’s an exhausting way to live.
Hopefully you’ll find that helps understand the nature of PTSD as a natural response to trauma that is life saving but also becomes a double edged sword.
@@samiamgreeneggaandhamtalk therapy is a scam, but my friends and family aren’t trained in cognitive behavioural therapy and that saved my life literally
Quick story.
Prior Marine. I was in San Diego, riding an electric scooter 4-5 years ago right as it was a idk new thing fell off busted my face, had to go back to Pendleton to get stitches at the hospital. But I had an uber ride back. Met a man from Iraq. Didn't speak much English. Downloaded a translating app so we could talk and he told me how he recently left Iraq because his family was Chrisitian and believed his family would be killed as well as himself would be killed if they stayed. He escaped the country put his family in Istanbul, he alone moved to America to work and support his family in Istanbul....you get few moments in life like that. I remember being so caught up in his story that I completly forgot how split open my face was.....I remember trying to talk to him about that....never saw him again. I hope he reunited with his family.
❤️🤝
Damn, sorry about your face. But, hope that guy's situation improves. It sounds terrifying, I would not wish that on any innocent soul.
Like no name no anything, i have zero way of knowing how that story ended. I can only hope it worked out well, so I like to think it did.
@@tykingery9161 dope
Usually they do meet their family. They get asylum because they want to be Christian and believe in Jesus Christ. This is common. Often, they have to leave or they will be killed. A guy I know he left too because they killed his family. Same place. He is doing well. I guarantee you if this man has left he is doing well too along with his family.
I love that Jocko lets Jordan speak at length without interruption.
This is the best interviewer there is. Period!
He knows how to listen actually
That's the one thing that bothers me sometimes about Joe Rogan (he interrupts people a lot)
I agree, Rogan is kind of a disrespectful tool
I think we're all forgetting how terrible Gary V is at this
How does a man named “Echo” remain perfectly quiet for 3 hours? Good stuff
Best comment on a Jocko video I've ever seen. 😂
There's a silence between the source and the echo, he's just waiting to create the next source
Dude is the opposite of JRE's old Brian Redban. In the best way.
He's basicly Jocko's equivalent of Joe Rogan's "Jamie" and that's perfectly fine
I thought this was an exaggeration but you weren't kidding.
"I am a dead person now" this truly send a chill down my spine. I have never heard anything this soul crushing before.
whats the timestamp of that quote and from which literature ?
we all gonna make it brah
@@alexMKDtheBEST You can hear the statement, "I am a dead person now" at timestamp 3:41 on this podcast. It is taken from the excerpts of an article from the New York Times that Jocko reads at the onset of the podcast. It is about a young woman's soul crushing experience at the hands of ISIS "men".
Many people have skipped the initial story. It is horrific to listen to and be reminded of the evil still in our world- still possible in us.
May we always strive for the greater good- the good of the other.
Before Jocko finished reading the intro i was strapped, packed and ready for the fucking harvest,man.
In the beginning God created Heaven and Earth. He created humans too to have a relationship with Him. That's our purpose as humans that have a relationship with God. Sin, however, messed that up because it made us imperfect and imperfect creatures cannot have a relationship with a perfect and holy God. That's why we so oftentimes feel empty, unsatisfied and unaccomplished because we're not in relationship with the God we were created to be in a relationship with. But that's where Jesus comes in. Jesus is God's son and He came down to earth in human form to live the same life we do yet unlike us He never sinned. Jesus is perfect. Yet despite the fact He is perfect He died on the cross for our sins and sacrifice Himself for us. The punishment for our sins is death but because Jesus took that punishment for us if we put our faith in Him and receive Him as Lord and savior we can be reconciled to God and be restored to that relationship we were created to have. And we can be sure that Jesus is the Son of God because on the 3rd day God raised Him from the dead and in that He defeated death and the grave, proving that He can do the same for us if we put our faith in trust in Him. That's how you get to Heaven. That's how you become full in your heart. That's how you become reconciled to the God who created you.
The totality of a man - - a combination of Jocko (physical and mental), and Jordan (ultimate and premier psychologist and academic, and mental/emotional life trainer). Dream bucket list to meet them both.
“A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control.” -Jordan Peterson
We need more gentleman barbarians.
So all budhists, atheists and peace loving individuals cannot be good because they are not dangerous??? What utter rot. Just coz it sounds cool, doesn't make it true.
@@spire393 the potential for evil makes a good man a good man in this sense. A harmless man is weak, fragile and does not act out of fear. If you are not free to sin, then neither are you free to not sin.
Simple analogy: super heroes. They have super powers and the power of choice, therefore they are dangerous, yet decide to be good. A weak wimp who cowers in fear is not a hero. Hope this helps.
@@antoniemitartristanvandrim6898 thankss for your input, but I still believe that a weak coward of a person can still be good. For example, he may harbour thoughts of killing, raping or maiming, but realises that it is better to not act on these impulses. Therefore, good men can be weak and cowardly.
@@spire393 You're proving the point though may I have worded it wrongly. This might be clearer: Not utilising the potential for evil whilst the choice is there makes a good man. Weak and harmless mean in this specific sense no choice in acting in an evil manner. No freedom to sin = No freedom to not sin.
A coward will not act because he is a coward, no matter the thoughts harboured. Weakness doesn't just refer to physical weakness.
@@spire393 Buddha was a businessman before becoming enlightened. This doesn’t refer to purely violence, but to effectiveness. If you are able to screw over people by selling them on bad deals, you are dangerous if you choose not to, then you are good.
Me: "Oh Cool! a new Jordan Peterson Vid - I'll check this out"
First 5 Minutes: "Shit. that's Heavy"
MajesticDemonLord I'd just woken up and was having my morning coffee. Been a while since I've been caught off-guard like that 😥
say like it is brother.
More like
Me: "Sweet JBP on Jocko!"
First 5 Minutes: WHAT THE FUCK AM I LISTENING TO AHHHH BUT I FEEL COMPELLED TO NOT SKIP AAAAHHHHHHHHH
Deep shit
I admit.... Within the first minute, I was counting my blessings that I was born over here.
This must be the 3rd time for this one... Jocko and JP are directly responsible for helping me beat 30 years of fear
1:52:27 AMAZING BIT ON TRUTH AND LOVE AND LIFE !!!!!
1:59:40 YOUR CONCEPTION OF THINGS MAKES THEM WHAT THEY ARE
2:00:50 DOORS/ GATEKEEPERS PARABLE
2:06:32 SPECIFY YOUR GOALS
2:10:09 ON SCHEDULING
2:23:18 EXCELLENT BIT ON PLANNING
THIS PODCAST IS FUCKING AMAZING !
2:28:22 ON OVERCOMING FEARS / PROGRESSIVE EXPOSURE
2:35:29 ON PERSONALITY TRAITS
2:51:20 - FREEDOM VS RESPONSIBILITY
2:56:15- ON ARCHETYPAL THEMES AND HOW JORDAN STRUCTURES HIS LECTURES
2:59:01 - ON LEADERSHIP AN KNOWING WHERE UR GOING
3:00:42 - ON THE POWER OF PRAISE
3:03:08 - THE IMPORTANCE OF CONSTRUCTIVE CRITIQUE !!! (GREAT BIT)
3:07:13 - THE IMPORTANCE OF MODELING BEING A RESPONSIBLE ADULT TO CHILDREN
3:35:00 - GREAT BIT ON TEACHING KIDS WITH TOUGH LOVE LOL
3:37:50 - GREAT BIT ON WHY PPL DONT DO THE STUFF THEY KNOW THEY SHOULD
ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE JOCKO!! YOURE THE MAN, I READ YOUR BOOK EXTREME OWNERSHIP IN LIKE 2 DAYS!! I NEVER READ THAT FAST LMAO
Thank God there are real men teaching men how to be men.
There are less of those men than there are their counterparts
@@PermanentHigh Alphas and the rest. Not everyone is supposed to he a leader. Lol. Not all mean are made equal.
@@ChapterMasterADO The alpha/beta stuff is very reductionist.
However, lets say such thing exist. If you listen to what Jocko says, and watch how military works, you will find out one thing. Lets say, you have a platoon full of soldiers with the same rank and they are given a mission. If those soldiers are all responsible and disciplined "alphas", they will still choose one of their team mates to take the leader rol. They will pick the one whose judgement they trust the most.
Why is it? Because regarless of the hierarchies, every organized team/organization, need someone as the carrier of the vision and a good judgement to get to that vision.
They wont fight between themselves to be leaders and inflate their egos. They will pick a competent individual, and will trust their lives on that leaders judgement.
In fact, almost anyone that knows what leadership is about perfectly, would rather not be one. Too much responsibility for an untrained human being can be psychologicaly devastating.
TL;DR.
"Alphas" can be both leaders and followers.
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”
My favorite saying
@@kevinz2738 Thats a very complex answer to an pathetic incel. I think is not worth the effort mate.
I swear talking to Jordan Peterson is like running systems diagnostics on your brain
Why not both?
its more like willfully uploading malware
@@rainerlordofpigsdesigns5427 I willfully uploaded malware when I read your comment
Best comment I've ever heard describing what's going on in my brain when I listen to J. P
@Name yeah thats what I meant my bad 😂
I was a dishwasher at 37 due to job circumstances. Took me 3 years to get out of that situation. I totally relate where Jordan talks about the CV quest.
I think about this opening often. I first saw this when it aired 5 years ago. I have never forgotten and never will.
If you were looking for a mentor -- you have two of the best right here.
YES we need more male role models
Jordan is our guru, Jocko is our officer in charge.
Dejan Gajsek e
DISCIPLINE EQUALS SORTING YOURSELF OUT -Jocko Peterson
that is actually a pretty good statement
Pozdrav ljudi :D
Evo ga još jedan!
Aleksandar Damjanovic ma kidaj aco!
Ima naaaas
I woke up to this the other night. It was unbelievably confronting and shocking.
Three years later, and this is still the GOAT of podcasts.
RUclips's content is 99% garbage, but then there is the 1% that is pure gold, and this is proof of what I'm saying.
Salutes and thanks all the way from Spain 💪🔥
40k views in 2 days? hardly 1% buddy. i think you're virtue signalling with this comment.
Where there is dragons there is gold, Be what you want to be and be awesome.
Lol 1 % that's more a reflection of your intelligence and interest not of what you can find on RUclips. Lotta dummies up voted this.
It's called confirmation bias.
Errrmmm...
No. Those people may not be dummies but they are not showing intelligence or critical reasoning.
Most of RUclips is not garbage. Most of RUclips random, trivia, self-exposition and entertainment.
Promoting the notion that most of RUclips is garbage is not smart.
Dummies is an understandable submission.
going sober today, thought this would be a good place to start.
04:09am 02/02/2020 (an easy date to remember xD)
Jose wish you the very best x
@@nkelherik thank you, I've sadly slipped back into weed and cocaine usage but rehab is starting soon, I believe I can beat this so thank you :3
@@Jose-oq6kj You can do it bud. Keep working on it.
@@Thurrak thank you brother!
Stay strong brother!
Four years later and this is still one of the best podcasts ever recorded.
Honestly…I would pay 500 bucks an hour just to be unable to unload alllll of my issues onto Dr. Peterson and would absorb his advice like a complete sponge because he just absolutely gets it…he’s such a brilliant mind.
And Jocko nails it regarding human kind needing struggle once again to realize how difficult life can be and we are so insulated from it..for example..we haven’t had world war in nearly 100 years..we have no conception of how good we have it.
This is a tremendously informative conversation.
"College? No!, Education? No!.; I want to be a commando."
-Joko
Is amazing how two men with such different backgrounds have come to similar conclusions in life, one with hardships of war and the discipline required to lead and survive, the other with the study of the human nature and the teaching left by those before him.
So different and yet so alike.
Very well put.
That's because the truth doesn't care where we start. It stands on it's own regardless of where we are.
Jocko went to college after the military. Don’t mistake him as an uneducated person
@@justinblair2630 He wasn't calling him uneducated. He was pointing out how they both have recieved their education about the world/humanity through drastically different experiences, and yet still have come to similar conclusions.
Justin Blair he went to college IN the military. Bachelors degree is a requirement to be an officer
I am Iraqi and I immigrated with my family to America at age 6. I moved back in 2016 with my family to Baghdad. What Jocko described in the opening, it really happens, not in Baghdad but in Mosul and other cities. And my main goal is gain revenge at what deashe (ISIS) did to my people and my country. So as soon as I finish college I am signing up for Green Beret training. I am currently 15.
You are truly an amazing individual. We need more people like you in the USA.
That’s an amazing goal, however revenge won’t bring you joy, I think protecting future potential victims is a better motive, but again great goal and I believe in you!
Good on you. Best of luck with the training!
Hell yes brother. Hell yes.
Your education will heal many & safeguard your future bloodline. Creating new victims is an admission of defeat, forever shackled to a meaningless existence.
ALSO jocko needs to protect peterson personally, him and echo can stand to the left and right of him at the conventions
So many people in today's world need to listen to this podcast. Me included, of course. Put your damn phones down, RAISE your kids, have self discipline, help others, be kind, be honest, be true to yourself, be humble, respect yourself and others, have purpose and ambition, don't self pity, respect authority and overall just strive to be the best version of yourself during our short time on earth!
JP - “If you’re not moving forward in your life, there is a high probability that you have some idea or some mode of action or some habit that you won’t let go of it”
Tommy 1•1•Six Orozco *there
Not talking shit because the point is true. You can think of *their* is possessive, when you’re talking about someone owning something. “That’s their lawn.” *they’re* is “they are”, like “they’re about to go to the beach”. and *there* is used in a situation like, “I said to him, go over there”.
Again not talking shit to you at all, but hopefully that may have helped :)
@@thizlam4810 Have you considered the possibility that it wasn't a conscious error out of ignorance (seeing as it happened a total of one time in his post) and that you just wasted that much time and energy explaining a negligible error in a youtube comment for no reason?
@@thizlam4810 Also, if we are being English language fascists in the youtube comment section, then consider this. English is a meta-language and ANYTHING that conveys a colloquially agreed upon meaning is valid. Maybe not in a research paper or an official document, but by definition. Did you understand the point he was trying to convey? Did using the wrong form of "there" impede your ability to read, interpret or understand the passage? Nope, probably not. Therefore... it holds up by that aforementioned linguistic rules of a meta language. don't be a condescending douche.
Warren Shepard Lmao the white Knight has arrived 😂 r/iamverysmart
@@thizlam4810 You just completely misused the term "white knight" considered that's used for sjws... I'm simply countering your douchey grammatical elitism display with a bigger display of douchey elitism. It was to prove a point. Being condescending and lecturing people's simple mistakes in the comments of a youtube video is pretty obnoxious and cringey isnt it?
Finally, someone tough enough for a hardcore delivery of straight up Peterson for over 3.5 hours. Powerful stuff.
Masterpiece.
Well put!! Lol
Listened to every second of it!
Very positive & powerful stuff indeed!
It's perfectly true that almost everything Dr. Peterson says I either agree with or update my current ideas on the subject. That's truly remarkable for a man to know so much universal truth and then to articulate it! He's a true role model in my life.
Long live Jocko and Jordan. Both of you are the best inspiration I have compared to the hundreds of people I met in my life
Jockos ability to listen is god tier.
its not hard. just dont talk
Arrogance, ego and stupidity makes it hard for some
@@NoLongerActive9098 Well it certainly helps
It’s actually not that easy to be a good listener.
It helps when the man you’re listening to is speaking about interesting topics
"So. Like. What the hell?" - Cain (Peterson edition)
HAHA YES!
I might go back to church if Dr. Peterson ran it. 😆
@@AmericanHothead
Going through the holy sacrament of communion
Getting a lobster flavored potato chip instead of a tasteless small wafer
Sounds like a improvement
@@AmericanHothead I'd rather die than go to church, but if Peterson hosted it, every Sunday would be the lords day. I wouldn't miss a Sunday. I'm not even Christian but still. We miss out on the fact that the local community gathers at a single location once a week and shoots the shit.
Amen
Those who have earned my respect never once whined about not having it.
I have always been willing to follow the man who inspires me to be a better version of me.
When I have led successfully I led by necessity.
These two men have my respect.
Much respect for these men of courage and iron discipline. At 21 , both have changed my life for the better
I’m a woman, and Jordan Peterson is the most inspiring man in the world to me.
I am also, and I relate to the feelings of tremendous inspiration. Much needed during this chaotic time
Geraldine Beckman You're Smart Woman....
He reminds me of my dad. If my dad had been an academic, too. He was a principled man who knew exactly who he was and what he needed to do. I've never met anyone as calm or as committed to helping others with zero fanfare. He was extraordinary. Dr. Peterson has similar gravitas and wisdom about what matters and what one must do. My dad always said he had to accomplish at least one thing every single day...in order to stand himself, I think. I relate to that and hear it in Dr. Peterson's clean your room adage. We have to progress or we wither.
Geraldine Beckman you haven’t met me...
truth
Jordan: *is talking*
Jocko: *breathes loudly*
This is platinum
Add to the military perspective, every veteran can get somthing and enjoy..
Ok i busted out laughing at this one. Thank you sir hahahha
I see the joke, but man I didn't hear even the slightest breath of insecurity in this discussion.
Jocko's lungs are the drums to Jordan's march.
Just found this podcast. Thank you for making it and making it available to everyone - life changing (and saving)!
So glad these old podcasts are still available. My son and I listened to Jocko's podcast's on a 3 hour drive to go to an airshow with both military jets and stunt pilots. He has just been accepted into a pilot program. Jocko's podcasts helped him make little changes to turn his life around and be more disciplined. I had been bingeing watching Joe Rogan podcasts with Dr. Peterson(and watching JP on other podcasts as well) for a week leading up to this. This is part of the heavy duty transformation I've been going through the past 5 years. I hit a road block a couple years ago and did a lot of backsliding and struggled to get back on the wagon. My eureka moment came several years ago when I was taking accountability for my weakness, too many to list and some of that includes raising 4 children alone for 20 years. I am a 50 something woman who absolutely loves kung fu movies and it made me think about the discipline it takes to train and become a great martial artist! That is what I lacked all my life was self-discipline. I knew I needed to make another change, to get back on track. Listening to Jocko and JP, and then this one together has really bolstered my goals. I've made a commitment to myself to make these small changes that in the end will add up to something big. I did it once before, but lost motivation (which I understand why now) Now I'm ready to focus, reach my goals and stay on track.
Thanks for sharing, I backslid pretty heavily myself after having great success in my 30s. A bad break-up can do that though and discipline is what I am struggling with as well. I'm optimistic I can turn it around. Hope all those small changes you made are adding up to something significant 8 months later.
@@zarbins Thank you. Not doing too bad, but not where I want to be...yet. The biggest thing, I quit drinking and that really helped my motivation. Back on healthy eating, exercising and setting reasonable goals. Life isn't too bad! Looking forward to summer and go hiking, swimming, kayaking, camping with my significant other!
@@rowanstarling3816 Congrats on quitting drinking! That's huge success and sounds like it will put you in a great place to enjoy summer :) Alcohol has plagued my family and I know stopping is no small task. Reasonable goals and forging ahead is a great plan. Best of luck to you!
How can this podcast be so
wonderful and yet so free? I feel like I need to pay somebody for this.
Buy 12 rules for life and jocko white tea to support these great men
Watch the ads instead of skipping them lol
sorting your life out is the payment
SantoAntonio this!
that's the power of the internet man. A mostly free encyclopedia with so much gold in it, so much things to learn about to better yourself. We live in weird times, still, it's pretty cool to chose what you want to watch.
This podcast made me clean my room and when I was done I head over to the gym and did Deadlifts. When that was done, drove home and ate 2 steaks.
Now I feel like a man.
Roughly speaking
Yeah!
Good
That sounds like a GOOD day.
Shorne Pubique even tho covid wasn’t a thing back then
I love this man (Jordan), he helped me so much, if I had a chance I would have taking my share of his suffering with the illness to repay him !
LOL. Dont trust famous people. He is probably just a narcessist. You dont even know him. He just read some psychology books. Get a real psychologist or just read books about psychology/ study psychology. Beeing starstuck is the badest thing/ state you can probably be in. If it changed your life to good: than its your achievment and not from some youtube personality who is very likely narcessistic or psychopathic. I exclude Jocko here. Jocko seems very grounded.
You both are changing people’s lives. Not an exaggeration in any way. I am proof.
I have had a hard life but that girl and so many other people have been through so much worse. And because of discussions like this and people like these two, now I want to fight even harder for those going through this sort of thing.
You men have solidified my belief that this is one of my purposes in life. Just have to figure out what to do with it.
Thank you both, from the core of my being.
Your worst traumas are really your greatest gifts when you voluntarily take on the pain of it head on and back it down. It's PRESSURE makes diamonds or its steel that sharpens steel etc etc and you will become the true version of "you" only when this is accomplished but you will be INFINITELY more powerful than you can possibly fathom. I wish you good luck with your journey friend ❤
3:16:52 Professor Peterson's face when Jocko asked "do you need security". hands down the best part of the podcast. Bless you guys
Kenneth Vo ”do you need security? hehehehe”
Love this comment 😆 Jocko said that as a joke but it looks like Peterson is genuinely worried and is looking for security.
A year ago i was in my debt of my depression and was thinking killing my self. This video saved me
Me too. What saved me was wise words and work.
Good on you both
Please take care of yourselves, there's much you can give to the world and your loved ones!
I hope you doing good right now. Good luck!
I'm so glad you didn't, brothers. Hat off
Jocko. . .thank you, so much, from the bottom of my heart for being the greatest interviewer and listener. You gave Dr. Peterson the place to really talk and explain every question you gave to him, in precise detail. No one, no one has gave that great man, the space to breath and explain to the point, what he is taking about.
From.a brother to brother. . .
Utrinque Paratus
Airborne brother.
You're so correct.
He is an absolutely talented interviewer.
I'm so glad this happened.
Anything involving Jordan Peterson is worthwhile and beneficial for everyone!
"The biggest problem that we have in America is that we don't have any big problems"
Subscribed.
Housing, military spending, social security, healthcare, prison system, political system, educational system. There. All things that could be better. Some of them really lagging behind by global standards. There are many countries where you can't be bankrupted by medical bills or by getting an education. There are many countries that don't terrorize the rest of the world for the sake of "freedom and peace". There are many countries that have a prison system & social security system that actively encourage rehabilitation for all but the worst of the worst of criminals. Get a grip. Your country is shit. You not realizing it doesn't make it any less true.
generic username living a poor American life is still better then a majority of living conditions around the world so I’d say there’s not really any big problems.
@@gowguy4536 Yeah, but compare the US to other developed nations, and you start to see the problems. Step out of that bubble of yours. America isn't even " the land of opportunity" these days because small businesses are not supported well (by the law I), and cheap loans are not that easy to get. That advertisement was true for maybe the first 150 years or so, when things were pretty uncontrolled. It isn't the "land of the free", especially when you take into account your oppressive legal processes, government surveillance and institutions like the FBI, CIA and NSA.
@@genericusername8337 truth. I been out of the us plenty of times... I agree other places are nicer. Waaay nicer and "more free".
dumb statement. 1 million people going bankrupt every year because of medical bills is just the start of a problems.
300 million years of lobster dominance hierarchies is no joke, man.
Astral Frost sounds like a Godzilla ending.
The best interview on RUclips to date..
This is what I needed to hear. Two absolute leaders in their fields having a discussion of what matters. Thanks.
I cleaned the ENTIRE house this morning. Then as a reward, saw the notification for this podcast. Coincidence? I think not, sirs, I think not...
Can't be, I think it's more rational to think that the universe rewarded you for cleaning your house 😂 😂
Aida Gradim I think its the higher consciousnesses telling you something
Clean faster
i like how jacko nods every time JBP looks at him while talking. encouraging him to keep going. it's good to have these podcasts where people listen to the man.
Jacko Wikileaks. That's the guy who interfered in the Russian elections right?
Absolutely 100% truth about the competency. My walk from addiction to recovery allowed me to take accountability. I earned respect and my attitude was of the utmost importance.
Thank God that modern technology exists and that conversations like this can be recorded, saved, and revisited-indefinitely.
There are nigh countless moments in this single conversation where I had the impulse to pause the video and write down my thoughts on an individual sentence, phrase, or word that was said, but my written thoughts on it would make no sense without also writing down the context… which could take ages, and far longer than my retention of the original thought in the first place.
One day, I’ll get all my thoughts and ideas written down and sorted out once and for all-that’ll also be the same day I die at 153 years old… probably from covid.
Well, have you done it yet?
I love how Jocko is like jokingly, "You need security? We've got crews!" And Jordan Peterson is nodding very non-jokingly.
just got to that part and the look on Jordan Peterson's face is priceless.
It just screams that yeah, I actually would like some security from tough guys like you. And maybe some jiu-jitsu training.
Or "Yeah, now that you mention it, some security would be nice"!
what time is that in the podcast?
That look on JP's face broke my heart a little bit. He doesn't have a record for being a drama queen, so the fact that he admitted that he actually needed security speaks volumes about what he's going through.
what time was it? I have been jumping around so much trying to find it, if I just listened to the damn podcast through again I would have found it!
I felt a chill when I saw this nod. kinda epic, that they'll work together - besides this episode of course. But it also made me realize, how it must feel for the organisers. For me, those free speech events are mostly entertainment, especially when sjw's 'sperg out. But it is not a laughing matter I guess, especially if its Jordan Peterson of all people, who looks this worried.
A girl really destroyed me emotionally last weekend. Jocko Peterson makes me understand how in reality, I did this to myself.
Yeah man and Jordan B Willink was great in asking questions to guide the podcast in the right directions.
Listen to Rollo Tomassi's book "Rational Male" for further guidance. You won't be disappointed
god damn I tried swiping my screen to get that bug off but... wellplayed
Well,you allowed it to happen anyway
Explain!!
I have listened to this conversation about 4 times and I keep coming back to it periodically. It's one of the most meaningful and dense podcast I have ever heard. There is so much content to unpack. Award worthy.
I have heard of Jacko before today, but I was brought here after running out of Jordan discussions on RUclips, glad I found jacko. Dr. Peterson inspired me to be a little better everyday, jacko is inspiring me to attempt becoming physically fit.
Jocko
30 minutes in and I've learned more than I did in 3 years of university.
Probably should've paid attention in university then.
fuck i laughed hard at your comment
@@hush-615 I don't think you know what he means. College and University don't teach you the fundamentals of human nature and how to live your life properly and in search of truth. Teachers are there to get paid not to raise. I'm glad there are people like Jocko and Peterson who reach the people that need this talk the most. Cheers.
@@AbsoluteArch Sure, I get that. University filled me up with immense knowledge about my field and their 4 years of training prepared me for the career that I'm currently enjoying. Listening to guys who've endured a lot of hardships like Jocko taught me a lot about life and gave me a lot of perspective. I think the former is intelligence and the latter is wisdom. So I get what the guy is saying, but I guess I disagree with him because I don't think someone can really say one is 'more' than the other since each represents a different aspect of life.
@@hush-615 Good answer, both are valuable.
One of the best magazine journalists in the country once told me, "shut up and let the guy talk." Amazing how Jocko gets this on an instinctual level.
Basic respect, sad how that seems to waning in some sectors eh?
This resonates so hard. I was 17 when I learnt to swim. I got angry at the fact I couldn't (my dad had been so hard on me it left me with a mental block about it and a phobia). I joined swimming classes, and all the others were under 10yo. I was so embarrassed. But I stuck with it, passed the course, and ended up joining my dad's scuba diving club. I passed all my open snorkel diver qualifications and was pretty proficient in the end, probably more so than most swimmers. In recent years I've noticed the fear has crept back and I've regressed somewhat. But that also taught be that you need to be vigilant with your fears because they never go away.
You are right, also guilt and regret, 2 most painful feelings. Anger is just a secondary 20 minutes or less of sitting with emotion. You do not stand and let a wave blow you over, to advance further out you dive in to wave an pop out on backside and intensity of feeling subsided.
Now... Shame is a beatiful emotion, do you know why?
It is our natural compass.
Now... What is opposite of shame? Pride, so if you think what occurs in Pride Community? Shame does not have a home there, what is guiding moral compass?
uh okay, cool? you learned how to swim, who gives a shit. i learned how to swim when i was like 5 or 6 years old, or for as long as i can remember.
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This is such a refreshingly good "no-bullshit" conversation. Thank goodness I stayed home to clean out my house. Made the perfect day to let this play. Now I need a new markerboard for all the gems. This type of solution oriented dialogue needs to be visible on the wall when I wake up. Salute
When I saw this come up on my feed I had to do every chore in the house beforehand so I could listen to it without embarrassment.
You're a better person than I.
You should have put on your headphones and 'cleaned your room' while listening.
Who's here during the Corona quarantine?
Damn... these men should be running the world.
me, i wish everybody took their time to listen to this
@43 GROUP Some of them deserve it.
@43 GROUP There’s no proof of Jocko Willink being on steroids as far as I know. He’s killing some brown people to save other brown people.
@@sondersonics7534 he is only interested in being able to say "brown people" for some virtue signal. Everyone are people. Him seeing peoples skin color in everything is a non factor here. He obviously does'nt realize what guys like Jocko actually do for us. No matter if their superiors are corrupt or just.
Nobody should run the World
How wonderful to have Jordan sit with you and explain his beliefs as he watches to be sure you don't get left behind. WHEW...
All these men are great men. Including echo he sits there quietly doesn't interrupt and always ask great questions
Don't pedestalize these men. Aim to count yourself among them.
Great insight!🙏🏽
I’d say aiming to count yourself among them is by definition “pedestalize”-ing them.
@@bsgrjsbrsqdbarj3900 You can recognize good qualities of people you want to see in yourself without making them into some unreachable ideal. Pedestalizing would be saying "These men are so great and unique, i could never be like that". I just saw a lot of people in the comments making them out to be something more than well educated and disciplined men.
Yes especially how a lot of people today idolize and think of celebrities as “gods”.
One thing I've always told myself is to never idolize anyone.
One of the best podcasts I’ve ever heard in my life. Period.
Spartan Ownership Yes, Amazing Podcast!
Hi Jocko, I am a casual Podcast viewer. This is perhaps one of the best podcasts I've come across of Peterson so thank you so much, it was hard for me to make up my mind about him views. However, I found this interview so refreshing and thought provoking. I enjoyed listening to your experience in the military and how you found your purpose as well. I was mostly neutral about Peterson since I understand what he's talking about philosophically about psychology and religion; his talking points are incredibly high level and it takes so much introspection, life-lived, and knowledge to ACTUALLY follow what he has to say so I understand why he got "cancel" at one point and how that affected his mental health since his messages are fundamentally good beliefs. At one point, I questioned his intentions when he was riding his hype (due to conservative media) too dangerously by knowingly convey his message in a way that would elicit a reaction and his lack of credence when it came to juxtaposition his views with modern times. Despite him having conservative views and being "correct" in terms of principle, society has overwhelmingly moved on from those concepts without a "major collapse" like we're not going into a recession because of transgender people. He overuses old ideals to convey his message in a modern world and just doesn't work on a younger audience. Peterson is human and its easy for anyone to eclipse themselves when they gain so much fame suddenly.
Anyways, I saw some of his talks about his physical and mental health struggles and his belief in God made me think "ok, Peterson just got canceled, politics aren't as popular anymore, so he's bringing himself to an equilibrium." He's not changed, maybe he's not showing up on everyones FY page or conservative politics but he's always stayed true to himself after everything he's been through. It's inspiring cause he got "mega" canceled like losing his teaching credentials and ability to practice clinical psychology which is messed up cause we need more people that understand the mind like Peterson.
This might be the greatest thing I've ever seen. Made me rethink my past and my future self. Even Jung hasn't been able to make me do it in such a regard.
In Jordan we have a person who is genuinely concerned for the betterment of man. It's a pleasure to listen to this.
Being a veteran struggling with the harsh reality of social structure, this podcast has really given me some new insight.
Thank you for your service sir. That's probably a statement that's been oversaturated but I genuinely mean thank you. Related to your comment, if you could handle tours of duty I have faith that you can handle navigating our weird society today. I believe in you sir.
God bless you, brother.
thats good to hear, god bless you!
Same killer. I am nearly at wits end and the end of my belay with my mind and perspective and how much social pushback I get for it. Caused some serious 5 year isolation. I am only just starting to dig a hole upwards. I need help. JP helps a lot.
I am sorry man. I wish you the best. Please don't give up. Keep pushing forward. You will find your head above water eventually. It's guaranteed.
Cried watching this brilliant podcast. It's nice to listen to great people and how they mould and build great individuals. Reminded me of how my parents helped me practice a speech I needed to deliver infront of my whole school when I was 8yo. It didn't just teach me how to do public speaking, but that experience taught me how to be brave and vulnerable by being open to the unknown. It also made me appreciate how I was disciplined as a child. I have a long way to go, but this is so reassuring. thank you, more power.
Sent this to my sons 23 & 18. Thank you for taking so much time and for being such a great interviewer (Jocko).
Janice Livingston You're a good mother
Preordered JP's 12 rules for them too! :D thanks for your kind words!
The mother I never had
wow what a cool mom
Janice thank you for being a good parent!
Brings me joy to see Jocko and Jordan getting the recognition they deserve. Two great role models for our generation.
The world needs more men like these two for sure!
Jocko, Jordan, Joe and J/Goggins 😂
I got so much from this. I come back and listen to it every few months.
First time viewing JockoPod. This episode is eye opening on a plethora of ideas, facts and advice.
One to remember.
I think it’s impossible to listen to Jordan Peterson and not walk away a better man. Just hearing him say you can and should strive for more integrity in life is invigorating every time because literally no one else is giving that message to men these days.
Jesus it’s kinda hard to deal with Jordan when he just drops a huge wisdom bomb in the middle of a sentence and then carries on like he didn’t just spit fire. “When you kill your ideal you’re lost” and then just continues what he was saying.
that's JP, it's hard to actually understand how deep the things he says are because he says so many of them in the same sentence xD
This is the struggle with JP. You really need to sit back every 30 seconds or so and let it sink in...
@@davidmcneill6239 And repeat that with each of his videos over and over until you're sure you've got it. Then do it again.
@@jchinckley But is the point getting across if you need to do it again and again? Im just teasin, peace
@@ayyyyooo7191 Sure, in bits and pieces until after the 2000th watch through a 2 1/2 hour video, one finally gets it... lol.
This podcast was insane! Always fascinating how Dr. Jordan can utter something in 8 seconds that would scare the daylights out of your if you thought about it for 5 minutes - "What you do or don't do matters".
Also was the first time I've listened to bleeding sponsor reads and actually enjoyed it
Crazy how I went for 18 years and no one in any school even tried to intelligently convey this information
*Jordan Peterson Videos* : The only time you will get out pen and paper to take notes on a youtube video.
I use a dictaphone app.
Connor Phebus , Amen to that!
I don't take notes. I just replay the videos over and over.
michael mancuso i would recommend it, it really does help
Never even thought to do that. Will try it out.
and Jocko just lets him run...not worried about getting a word in. thats leadership. This is one excellant podcast. Save to playlist.
Ordinary men is a fantastic book. Used it as part of my research into the Einsatzgruppen and their operations in the USSR and Eastern Europe.
Holy crap! Is Jordan Peterson the smartest man in the world? Every time I listen to him I am repeatedly wowed by his extraordinary common sense approach to everything. And Jocko points him in brilliant directions on every subject!
Peterson, Echo, Jocko = Socrates, Plato, Marcus Aurelius
OH MY GOD. JOCKO + JBP.
CLEAN YOUR ROOM AT 4:30AM!!!!
hahahahahahahahaah nice
G O O D
Lmao bruh love your energy
This episode was incredible. It was great to hear JP thrive in an environment focused on such extraordinarily strong principles
This particular episode is just everything. I go back and listen to it fully as often as possible
Holy shit the idea that discipline is a sacrifice, literally. Never thought of it that way.
Big brain
I hope you're shredded now
It is in a sense. You sacrifice possibilities for actualisation.
liTeRALly?