Baritone Saxophone for Doublers
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2019
- I also cover some basics for playing and walking bass lines on saxophone. I'm using a Rovner ligature with the Rico Metalite mouthpiece.
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A bari sax is like draggin a dead body behind ya. Wheels are a must.
This case looks like a small coffin LOL!!
@@Sirvalorsax Ooooh buddy wait till you see my cannonball artist series bari case
Just wanted to say your tone and sound is absolutely unreal, it’s a treat to listen to you play, thank you very much
Thanks
“…your tone and sound ARE (not IS).”
What you played at 11:37 was absolutely amazing! I need to hear you play the baritone saxophone solo in Moanin’ on that beauty of a saxophone
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You should hold down the Bb key when playing a low A, yes you can play a low A with it now held down, but pad closure is much better when holding Bb down. It's just good habit.
Yes, holding down the B or Bb table key is absolutely a good habit to make. Makes it faster to get down to the low A as it takes some of the weight off that thumb key
I used to have access to a low a baritone and the low a key wasn’t that heavy so I would just play down to low C and use the A key
Very ballsy of you.
I love playing bari. I learned the transposition in high school and it has served me well ever since.
I wish I started that early on Eb and Bb saxes
excellent video! I was fortunate enough to learn the transposition of an Eb horn and how it relates to concert pitch bass clef back in 8th grade when I first tried playing trombone as an alto sax player. This proved to be an invaluable skill as a multi-horn player/arranger. Great tips in this video.
Great bari sound! Excellent lesson. Thank you Servalosax!!
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Great advice as always Adrien. One other area of playing Baritone that is important is perfecting
pianissimo legato entrances. Sometimes the bari is playing in the string section and it is an absolute
requirement a perfect attack-ppp or fff in the bottom from low A upwards. I played a lot of
Bari in. Vegas back in 1969-1974. This ability is an absolute must .When that down beat comes, that ppp
low A unison with contra bass, and cellos better be there EVERY TIME! Or you will be looking for another
gig. If the Bari is your double , make sure not to drag when when playing the bottom in tutti passages.
Playing Bari is a LOT of fun once you get int to it.
I know a lot of acts that are in Vegas now and I might be heading there very soon.
How far out! It is COMPLETELY different
now than "back then" Hope you will share your experiences with us.
I always look
Forward to your vids man. 👍👍
Thanks
I hauled my new bari into an open mic last night after my band practice. The host band was intrigued. I managed to fall into some cool grooves. “All the Time in the World” in G works out well. Also ”Rock and Roll, Hootchie Koo”. At the end of the session, a jolly guy invited me to take a seat. I thought he was just a jovial drunk, gushing about how well I played. After we chatted for a while, he revealed that he is a producer involved in local musicals. Also, the local symphony. He asked if I might be interested. We exchanged cards. This shows that you don’t have to play a bari really well. Just having a bari opens opportunities.
LOL, take the gig!!
I used to play a lot of Bari back in the day (1980’s !). I also played a lot of the other Saxes, Clarinets & Flutes! Nowadays it’s generally just Tenor, Alto & Clarinet. Things change!
Also got a jupiter bari,
Love it and even though i got a new case, the case it comes with is great
Those wheels make all he difference in the world to me
Sirvalorsax : Actually, all large sax cases come with wheels nowadays.
03Venture my Jupiter has no wheels on it and I have to carry it between two different schools 🤯🤯
Thanks Sir for pointing out how the more cylindrical bell of the bari actually makes its lows easier to play than the other more conical saxes. I always wondered why!
Cool
SIR! You are the man! Thanks
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you are a genius , professor level. you're my internet teacher
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Excellent..thank you so much...very helpful!
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Great stuff. Thanks again, Adrien, and greetings from Canada.
Cool, thanks
Another thumbs up for the Metalite M5 for bari. I am not a fan of Rico mouthpieces or plastic mouthpieces in general, but when I was struggling putting air through the horn with my Meyer 6m I found the M5 has a little bit smaller chamber and it makes enough difference that I can belt out the low notes on 'Moanin' without struggling. Nice tone on bari also.
Thanks for the Metalite + synthetic reed with a Rovner ligature tip. Have been using that now for a year across everything but soprano and love it! The $ has been better spent keeping the horns in good repair and in more secure cases and stands.
Keep it up!
Great!! Thanks for watching
Love the vid
I got myself a Bari this year after having play Alto for 20+ years.
I was going to say I went all out, but if I did that I'd have gotten a Keilwerth Shadow Bari, but that was out of budget. Got a Silver Selmer Mark 6 instead and a Jody Jazz HR mouthpiece.
WOW! Those silver mark VI baritones have got to be pretty rare.
out of budget? so you settled.....
Bari Main here. Great vid if starting out for basics!
Thanks
I have a cannonball neck strap with a plastic hook for my alto and it’s very strong
Back in the day , we didn’t have harnesses! Ray Hyman was pretty standard. When the Neo-tech’s came out I got 1 for Bari. Rico Plasticover #3 on a Berg Larson 130/0 (metal) on a Vito VSP (Yani I believe). I played that set-up for 40 years !
I love the videos you make, also could you do a video on alto for doublers.
O.K. The alto should be within a few weeks
You are definitely right about the low a thing, but actually, doing that can cause damage to the horn. It puts all of the weight of all the pads and keys for those table notes onto one rod, and over time this rod can bend.
Hi Sir Valorsax,
First of all I want to thank you for your enormous amount of tutorial stuff just out there for grabs.
First time I ever watched one of your video's I was completely dumbfounded and could not make sense of your tutorials at all,
however after watching them for years and some of them for the fourth and fifth time I slowly started to understand what you were talking about.
I'm am Dutch so language is an issue possibly and I'm not critisizing. It was entirely due to my slow little brain.
By now I'm exploring the possibilities of the third octave on my tenor and this is entirely thanks to you!
So up to the next gear: the fourth octave!
Last note: I like your jokes al lot and I have this suspicion that you make these videos in those funny closet like places with all the odd bits, tools, old laundry etc out of dedain for the more serious musicology students that analyse jazz standards on clips on you tube.
So thanks very very much and lots of success!
Nico, from the Netherlands
Thanks for watching. I'm happy for your improvements.
Like the bari video and your approach. I like playing tenor the most but playing bari is a different approach and like that you noted rest for breath. Bari is an under appreciated sax and I always summed it up to it being expensive.
The altos and tenors can share parts but not with the baritone sax. It is a more bespoke instrument.
Great video as always Adrienne! This is especially because I’ve used this setup plenty jupiter 1100 baritone in silver finish with the jupiter mp, and now i play on the metalite m7! Great stuff. I am really tempted to try out the vandoren v16 pieces for bari.
Any idea idea what the specs on the jupiter mp are? I’ve found that I’ve got to use really stiff reeds (4S) on it.
Got you there keeping your shirt on this time at 11:27 😎😎😎🔥🔥🔥
I'm a bari player. I've used the harness ever since occassionally throwing my back out with the neck strap. I'm full figured so I wear it under jackets and cover ups. And I usually wear black. I prefer metal hooks, but it it is too narrow it will eat through the brass.
I've played for years and stick to 2.5 or 3 reed for the best sounds (2.5 for concert/classical) Legere Signatures are great on bari too. I love my Selmer C* mouthpiece but it is pricy.
When I transpose, I just change the clef and add 3 #s. (In this case you are left with 1#) The accidentals are just adjustments to resulting key signature.
Thanks for the info Angela. If you find a harness that is more ergonomically comfortable please give me a heads up. Thanks for watching
Great tone. When I started playing, I was on alto(an old Martin that my father bought at a pawn shop), but my heart was on the tenor. In high school, I met with members of the saxophone section in our band. There were two girls who were doublers. One played tenor but she also plays alto and another played baritone but changed to alto. When I moved up to tenor, I was curious about the baritone and soprano. I guess the inspiration for playing the baritone was from Eric Leeds(a frequent collaborator with Prince)who performed on the album Madhouse 16, where he played tenor, baritone and flute.
The soprano because of Kenny G.
My instructor in college played alto, tenor and baritone. He and I listened to a performance of a band playing Lover Man. He told me that the baritone parts were too strong on the recording. I agreed. So, he mostly played tenor and alto on gigs. On alto, he can really project the sound.
For some reason, I didn’t care for the alto. It has a bright and lighter tone than tenor and is preferred in classical music concerts(if the orchestra has one or two saxophones), while tenor is more suited toward jazz, rock and r&b. Very seldom is a tenor used in classical music (I had seen a video clip on RUclips of a performance of Prokofiev‘s Romeo & Juliette’s Waltz Of The Knights in which a tenor player is featured. The orchestra performing was the London Symphony Orchestra).
I had studied the differences and commonalities of all the saxophones and I was surprised to find that P. Mauriat makes a baritone that is in the key of B-flat and is made for soloists. I became interested in this baritone. Do you think as a tenor player, playing an instrument in the same key is helpful?
Both the P. Maurait baritone saxophones are in Eb. The make one that only goes down to a low Bb and they also make a low A bari sax. Personally I prefer a low Bb bari sax. Keys are designated to a wind instrument by the commonality of fingerings. This makes going from one instrument to another easier. For example, flute and saxophone. Having these instruments in the same key makes transposing easier.
@Sirvalorsax. I have noticed that saxophone players play flute. I have even seen tenor saxophone cases that have a compartment specifically for a flute. How easy is it to play the flute if you play a tenor? Are the fingering arrangement the same as a tenor?
You MUST release album!
The Rico M5 best mouthiece for doubling on bari... super easy if you are coming alone tenor.
agreed
Next video please do a 4 octave altissimo test, I'm pretty sure bari is capable
jeff suzda did it
@@ryancrow2773 Yeah I'm pretty sure @Sirvalorsax can go higher
@@johnporf9546 leo p
Leo P will one up you.
I have not intention or desire to play Bari but yet I enjoyed watching this video. Very informative. By the way I enjoyed the Paititi tenor mouthpiece that I got so much that I just ordered the alto version of that (C-6 size). I couldn’t find any video or decent review of that so I have no idea what to expect. I hope it’s as good as the tenor one. I’ll let you know.
Cool. Thanks for the info
You should’ve tried doing the 4 octave Bb scale test
Can you do a vid on writing sax soli’s (I’m also new to jazz and don’t know much about theory so if possible, try to dumb it down)
I will consider it.
There is a very easy way to remember how to transpose all the accidentals and keys for bass clef in C to the bari sax key (treble clef). All you have to remember is to raise all of the (bari sax) F, C, and G's a half step.
I just got a bari in September and having lots of fun with it. My current band thinks it’s pretty cool and I’m playing three songs in our set list on bari.
I was smacking myself in the head when I saw that bass clef would read as treble clef transposed for Eb. Of course.
Because I play with guitar players who love E and A, that’s C# and F# for bari so lots of sharps. That’s a workout for the pinkies, but for a lot of runs and arpeggios, the left pinky can land on the C# table key, and that works for G# and I can leave it there as I go on down for the low C#.
Do you have anything for bari altissimo? There is one you tuber that shows some fingerings. I could roll up to a G, then couldn’t hit any others until I got to D which popped right out.
Tone Supreme
Could u please mention which exact ligature model is this by Rovner ? I would like to buy it online so i wont be able to test it before actually getting it. Is it ligature made for baris or tenors ?
I have two at my school and our district has several. No major problems other than finding a replacement end plug when the kids lose it.
LOL!! This one hasn't been looked at in 10 years! It seems to be really solid
Just took in one of ours for a RH stack adjustment. I replaced the high F pad before I took it to the shop. That pad seems to get gunked up but all saxes have to have palm key pads replaced regularly.
nice bro, can you some double time licks impro on the tenorsax
I will look into it for future videos
I like the Jody Jazz mouthpiece patches. They seem to last the longest
I haven't tried those yet
This video is absolutely excellent and you have such a beautiful tone. I gotta ask about the horn, since I have never seen a Jupiter in black before. It's absolutely breathtaking and I'd love to know where to get my hands on something like that.
I can't find a new one in black lacquer either, not even on the Jupiter website.
Hey, love your videos! What does it mean... for Doublers?
I just converted to bari from alto in my community band. I figured, this will be fun. I didn't realize what I was getting into until they handed me bass clef trombone music. 😵 I have a hard enough time reading music as it is. My sons who play trombone, trumpet, euphonium, and french horn, just laughed...
That's hilarious 😆
Do you recommend me getting a bari sax(singers day) or get a Trevor James raw tenor sax? I already have a cheap tenor sax.
I would get the one I don't have (bari sax). I haven't played any Singer's Day saxophones and I don't trust an youtuber review that didn't actually buy one with their own money.
What is the link to find the bari i cant find it online
As for doubling, would you feel it would be an hindrance for a brass player to attempt to learn sax purely in concert pitch? I get it would be easier to switch between the different saxophones if I learned the transposed C Major fingering, but I'm used to playing instruments that are wrote as they sound and the sax's diatonic fingering aligns with the a lot stuff I already play on brass. Plus, specifically for bari, I play low brass, so the bari sax would likely cover a bass clef part I would normally play anyway, lol
If you choose Bari sax, I think that is an excellent Idea. Transposition is one of the most difficult things to do on any instrument. Keep in mind, most professional sax players will learn to read in concert pitch. To answer your question, YES.... but learn to read the written (transposed) notes as well
11:30 I recognize that from your saxophone cool riffing video what song is that
It was an exercise I wrote a long time ago to get me familiar with Concert Ab minor. I originally wrote it for alto sax. I have since used and evolved it as a type of range tester.
Have you ever tried a standard bari sax that goes to low B flat? It sounds much more open and husky. The low a extension constricts the entire timbre of the horn because the original design is from high F to low B flat. Narrowing the bell and extending it doesn’t work on a conical design. It works only on a cylindrical design such as bass clarinet. I’ve played both low A and B flat Baris and the B flats have a sweeter sound.
It has been years since I've played a low Bb bari sax. I agree that the sound is more saxophonical in the same way that I think a curved soprano sounds better than a straight one but the low A trend has caught on and I see no sign of it slowing. If I had to buy one, I would go for the low A. The next soprano I buy will be a curved one.
Sirvalorsax i agree with the curved soprano sounding better. I think the only reason the low A bari caught on is for two reasons. Low a plays a concert C and having to lug around a huge expensive Bass sax isn’t practical. Although I do like the sound of a vintage bass way more than modern basses.
You like the Jupiter saxes as second horns? I've been looking at them tempted by the prices but have played Yamahas for the longest time
I think that they are solid in their price range but as far as baritone sax goes, I would rather just save up for a used pro Selmer or a new Cannonball.
Personally i love cannonballs, got mine at a sam ash. Its a brute and i managed to talk em down 500 and included a c star selmer mouthpiece for 3,000
Saxrax is your best choice for a stand. Vandoren FNH100 harness then you’ll toss all the others and a JodyJazz HR* CUSTOM DARK Saxophone Mouthpiece is your best option. Not all harness’s are designed the same way.
I'll look into it, thanks
Check out the time traveler bustin' out the Quantum Leap on the Bari at 7:20
I mainly play alto, and I would love to play baritone as my main horn, the problem is that it’s quite expensive.
On the Thomann music website I found a baritone saxophone for about $1500 dollars and it seems like a pretty solid investment to star playing bari, I just need to save up for it lol
Good Luck. I would look for a nice used one at a traditional music store but recently, I haven't seen much in the way of used older horns at these kinds of stores.
Excellent video,Thank you!What baritone sax would you recommend for someone on a limited budget?Thanks again.
For bari sax, a limited budget still might be kind of high. I've played the Allora and this Jupiter and they are both really solid for their price range
@@Sirvalorsax Thank you Sirvalorsax!
I have a Rovner lig, but how do you adjust them?
The one that I have has an adjustable screw on the opposite end of the tightening screw side.
so im trying to get better at doing some jazz stuff, but i have no idea what im doing, i dont know if im supposed to play stuff differently, i dont understand some articulations i hear, and i would really appreciate it if you made a video about just like, how to do stuff. If im dumb, and its not hard, a reply would work! Thanks, and your tone is admirable!
I'll look into that. Thanks for the tip.
I don't know why 5:26 is funny, but it is.
Amazing video! Just bought the metalite m7 for tenor, after watching your video! I like how there's like a click when you articulate the lower notes on bari, I wonder how do you achieve that type of articulation?
Solid and supported airflow all throughout the horn
@@Sirvalorsax Sorry I am probably asking basic things, only been playing for about a year, but then how do you play soft and loud if you need a solid airstream, do you control volume with air or embouchure or both?
Keep the same airspeed, but adjust the amount of air. You shouldn’t change your embouchure much at all to change dynamics.
@@jorkles4691 Oh, okay, because I got used to going to subtone everytime I have to play softer
Make more Bari Videos!
you should definitely consider renting or buying a bari.
Ooooh I want one of my own really badly
Are there any metal baritone mouthpieces you recommend?
I haven't been able to try any recently. What kind of style are you playing?
@@Sirvalorsax I'm playing contemporary music with a saxophone ensemble
I find the Rico metalite to be just too much in a lot of big band and combo work even though I like mine very much, my vote for someone who is doubling would be a Rico grafonite or a Yamaha 5c. You rock the stock mouthpiece way to much to warrant anything that’s not super expensive though.
I did use the Fibracell with the Rico mouthpiece. Those reeds can bring out a new level of brightness.
Are you going to do any alto videos as well?
The alto time table has been pushed back a little bit but it's coming within the next month
@@Sirvalorsax nice
Neotech does have harnesses that are comfortable for women but they have plastic hooks
Dunno why people is so afraid of playing a amazing instrument like this... plus you’re being different to everyone else that they’ll play alto or tenor... baritone sax is an amazing instrument if I may say so (I’m a Bari sax player)
Id say bari is popular just because its uncommon, like people play it because its uncommon and they think it makes them unique
Bari isn’t really uncommon though. There’s one in every big band and in most concert bands. It’s just a really fun instrument to play.
Bass sax is more uncommon. Plus why play bari when Bass sax has more bottom? Plus it's in Bb so it's easier to play similar notes on the horn if your a tenor sax or Soprano sax player. Bass sax has a really good altissimo range as well it can get up there if your an experienced player.
@@christianhenry4173 Bari & bass saxes are different instruments with different sonorities and purposes. Bass sax wouldn't be practical playing big band charts due to slower keywork and the extra air required. They're also harder to find. Bari sax wouldn't be good for playing something that requires the 'fog horn' low Bb of the bass.
With the older bass saxes you HAVE to play altissimo fingerings, as they're only keyed up to high Eb.
@@charlienyc1 I understand bari is more suitable as the lowest common sax. I just think the sound on the bass is Fuller and more usable. I've seen a couple of experienced bass sax players move through the horn as if it's as bari so idk about your response maybe your referring to the contrabass Saxophones. I've seen people play fast riffs on the bass saxes you can pick up near your waist similar to the Bari.
Where did you make this video? Some interesting rooms and spaces...
I’m also considering picking up a bari. I played baritone in a few big bands a long long time ago and enjoyed it. Any comment on inexpensive Chinese horns sold on amazon - www.amazon.com/Estella-BS200-Lacquer-Baritone-Saxophone/dp/B0741GDMQR ? Thanks.
I did buy an Allora soprano saxophone that is made in Vietnam and it is really good. I don't know about the Chinese ones yet. Bari can have a lot go wrong because of its size and it has more parts so I would check my local music store to see if the have any used ones there first.
Sirvalorsax , Thanks 🙏
My comments are the same as the gentleman below, Andrew Camara.
Do you not have your own Bari?!
I do not. I have been looking for a vintage low Bb to have it "pimped" by one of the restoration companies but those plans have been put on hold.
@@Sirvalorsax I know this comment is 2 years old but I'm a sax player and started playing my horn since the 6th grade and haven't stopped I'm 44 now. So far as music theory Its something I desire to grasp but I can read music to get by but I agree I can do better. I play by ear and that is a gift it comes easy to me and some struggle with that. But I came along your channel sourcing on RUclips and got hooked from your 80's TV show's tunes that I recognized, I believe all Tenor players in band tried to master the Rozanne Bar show riff! So to make a long story short, I now have and started playing on Bari Sax which I just got off of eBay for a good price but had to get it adjusted and worked on. But its a TANK an old vintage King Tempo JK stencil from back in the day that I found on line and that sir if by now you don't have one for gigging Is a good start. Also your music theory is the best I've seen in a long time since my college band years PVAMU and loved the break downs, So yes you gave me some homework! I hope I was a little help, definitely subscribing.
Ok ok how do you learn all this shit lol, I’m an aspiring sax player and I’ve never really understood how people play such bomb solos off the top of their heads
Keep in mind, I've been at this for 35 years. RUclips is an excellent platform for learning.
Yea, I’m just wondering how you started learning this kinda stuff, it’s really hard to figure out how to start, I’ve always been super into it though
I consider myself a bari player who doubles on tenor lol
LOL
Still on cruise ships huh?
Nope. I quit in Oct. 2019 it's done, never going back
why this boi sound like Morgan freemen
LOL!! I get that a lot
Nightmare on transpose hell street; If there's alota stairs that about seals it. "I mostly play for fun" meaning big struggle ahead,,,, $85...?...." uhh...Pretty sure I gotta gig that night, hey.. but thanks anyway"
LOL