Very Old 1833 Martin Acoustic Guitar
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Hey Sam, That is an amazing find. Being a CF Martin guitar collector myself that parlor Martin and coffin case would be from 1898. Its in an amazing condition for being 119 years old. The first Martin guitar in 1833 had the Stauffer style headstock, however you are holding a rare piece of American history with great value attached.
agreed
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@@virgilgray it has a Martin stamp
@@virgilgray prove it.
Musicans no less than Franz Schubert preferred the Viennese Stauffer brand of guitars!
Even the most basic research would tell these guys it’s clearly NOT 1833. Early Martins have a scroll style headstock with inline tuners and a metal cover on the back. 1880s, maybe. I’m not convinced it’s a Martin either. These guys are doing a disservice to their shop/brand with their ignorance
Thank god someone noticed
You are possibly confused because the Martin labels/logos often said "C.F.Martin 1833" which is when the company was founded.
That's beautiful guitar but it is not a 1833 model
Unfortunately, this Martin was not made in 1833. The shape is not the early "Stauffer" shape but the "Spanish" shape that became the norm around 1840. As well, all pre-1840 Martins have a label inside.
It was certainly made before 1867 since it has the "C. F. Martin" stamp, not the "C. F. Martin & Co." stamp that came into use when the business became a company in August 1867.
There are not enough details to narrow down the date other than the pattern of the fabric lining the case which suggest a date in the 1850s. In this period Martin mostly bought cases from other woodworkers near Nazareth.
The guitar appears to be a 3-17 or 2 1/2-17 model.
@Greig Hutton I really appreciate this info. Thank you so much for the help. Its still a really cool guitar! If you know anything else, please feel free to add more info. I know all of the viewers(and myself) would love to hear more. #coolstuff #lovethisguitar #acousticguitars #cfmartin
All old Martins are cool guitars! It is a little hard to tell from the video but I would say the guitar is probably from the middle 1850s. I base that on the pattern in the case lining that was used around that period. The tuners are probably stamped "Jerome", maybe you can confirm this. I think this is a 3-17 or 2-1/2-17 guitar but would need to know the width of the lower bout.
It’s not an 1833 the oldest Martin guitar is in a museum and it’s an 1834 the first Martins had a scroll headstock
The 1833 Martins had a Stauffer scroll headstock and a fretboard tapered to the soundhole. The guitar in the coffin case is indeed very old but sounds like a buzzbox compared to the superb sound from current Martins. For the best of the best try an old Martin O-45 with Brazilian back & sides.
This guitar is NOT a 1833 model. They probably seen the 1833 stamped on it and thought it's a 1833. The year the company was founded. The oldest Martin known to exist is at the Martin Guitar Museum and its a 1834 model.
well....
My granddad used to have a yard broom that was over a hundred years old and it had only had 12 new heads and 9 new handles.
Iazzaboyce only British people will ever know
According to the Martin Co.. the earliest known martin they ever found was a 1834, if it is really a 1833 you have a real treasure !
A friend is fixing a poorly repaired 1833? Martin, looks the same as this one, I'll try to post something after it's finished. The neck joint and joint at the headstock are something to show also. Yours is in amazing shape, the one being repaired has been cracked on the top, back and sides. thanks for posting.
Hey man, just wanted to say, a lot of your videos have been very helpful and/or informative for me, so thanks! Hope you'll keep 'em coming. :)
Didn't the Martin Guitars in the 1830s have a Stauffer-style headstock? S shape with all 6 tuning keys on 1 side similar to Fender)
Yes
@@shawnglass108 That's actually taken from those Croatian Tamburitza family instruments.
Ah yes, Stauffer. The brand preferred by Schubert!
So much noise from a little thing like that.. pure craftsmanship personified 😘
I'll give you 10 bucks for it . . .
And I'm taking a risk here, so... Let me call a Friend of mine who happens to be an expert...
What is this Gamestop???
You couldn't put a price on it.
Let me call my buddy real quick
And I'm taking all the risk
The 1834 guitar created by Christian Frederick Martin is the oldest existing American guitar ... The 1834 guitar features many Viennese details such as the scroll-style headstock with in-line tuners off to one side. www.oldest.org/music/guitars/
Hey, Tarantino called. He wants to borrow that guitar!😨😨
hahahahaa
I'm dying watching the case hardware scratch the guitar while he plays...anyone?
We love it. We would love to learn to play. That is amazing how old and put together the case and guitar stayed after all this time. Lovely share.
Thank you for the comment. It really is an amazing guitar and case. You can almost see that guitar case handing off the side of a horse in the mid 1800's! #1800s #coolguitars #martin #cowboysandguitars
I do believe this Martin is from a later year! In 1833 C.F. Only would have made guitars with a stauffer curly headstock.
Awesome. Thank you for the input. #martin #martinguitars #vintageguitars
You're right, Decker Jackson. The Stauffer headstock was still used in the 1850's. The squared off headstock appeared in the 1860's.
Actually, the Stauffer headstock (or 1-side screws as Martin called them) were only used on about 25% of early Martin guitars. Another 25% were made with slotted peg heads (Martin called these two-side screws) while the remaining 50% had peg heads guitars with friction pegs.
The Stuaffer headstocks were mostly put on more expensive guitars and, since these guitars had noticeably higher quality, they had a much higher survival rate. I have seen 21 pre-1840 Martins and of these two had pegheads and two had two-side screws.
The Stuaffer headstock did appear occasionally on 1840s and, more rarely, 1850s guitars. Martin Guitar Co. still has about a dozen unused Stauffer machines on display in their museum.
In 1833?
It's not an 1833 Martin. It could probably be late 1800's. Martin Museum has the oldest one.
I'd have to agree with the other commenters that it's probably not quite that old, but probably 100 years old at least. If it was 1833 it's likely that the tension from steel strings would fold it in half. Still, it's a good sounding instrument with a character almost like a classical guitar.
They are gorgeous sounding guitars, and really great to play. Note the snare responding to this size 2 and 1/2.
yes the detail of this stuff up here is really cool
180+ years old, and immaculate. I had my new D-28 a year, tripped, fell, and my hand hit it, and put 2 huge cracks in the top! Lol
Couple new sound holes lol
what's he playing at 3:01 ? is he just playing around or is there somewhere i can listen to that?
That's what I want to know too.
j7a1k1e it's a really gorgeous progression that sounds familiar, but I can't put my finger on it!
[Starts strumming]
[Instantly turns to dust]
No wonder Martin are legends they have exceptional tone...and this particularly sounds magic
The 1833 Martins had a Viennese type head stock, according to CF Martin IV
An ancient evil spirit entrapped in that case now you unleashed it.
...no doubt that guitar has some amazing stories to tell.
Yes, I have a stack of these in the loft, all unopened ;-)
yeah ok
beautiful guitar 👍
I played one that looked a lot like that in Traverse City in about 1973...a woman named Wilson said it was her Grandfathers & it was quite old & it did sound & play great.
Wow thats a treasure!
Sound amazing...
Imagine all the places, events and things that guitar has been witness to?!? That thing has probably been all around the USA in it's lifetime. Wish objects could talk in this case!
Man, anyone else notice how Scotty Ray was dangerously close to the guitar case metal latch and ultimately scraped the top of that guitar against the case latch a couple times starting around 5:10 mark? Jeesh. I was gasping as I watched and neither of those knuckleheads seemed to notice. SMH.
morons lol
Wow that’s almost a priceless artifact!
When that guitar was made, Abraham Lincoln and Charles Darwin were both 24 years old, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams died only 7 years before, Johannes Brahms was born, Charles Dickens was 21, and slavery was abolished in England.
Georgie Thumbs that seriously puts it in perspective
It's crazy old, just think: Someone held that guitar 28 years before the US Civil war even started. The majority of people who fought in the Civil war weren't even born yet when that guitar was made. It's so old, Beethoven died only 6 years before. Mark Twain the writer wasn't even born yet when that guitar was made. It's amazing how that thing is still around.
Don´t give it to Quentin Tarantino!
Guitar design in infancy stage , It has sound comin out but not special overtones or ringing or other. For that day it was the best you could get and sounds great for so old..............! Projects out of there pretty good.
The case looks like a coffin. Creepy. Btw this six strings is an amazing piece of art!
Very cool!
1833 would have been the first year the company was founded. They are still around and still family owned and operated. That's quite a treasure. I'm sure C.F Martin guitar company and Christian Fredrick Martin IV (great, great grandson of the man who built that guitar) would probably make you an offer to buy it for their museum.
IT'S A FAKE. IT'S A FAKE. IT'S A FAKE. IT'S A FAKE. IT'S A FAKE.
Hey Sammy, Gotta ask, I noticed the Black Keith Urban Acoustic in the background there, My wife bought me the same exact one this past Christmas because she loves Keith Urban, She thought the guitar was pretty and she always wanted to surprise me with a Guitar. I've already had 2 private Builds along with a small collection of the regulars, A Fender Telecaster, a Guild , A Martin etc .. Of course when I opened it I layed it on heavy with the thankyous and good choice type comments, She felt proud and that alone makes the Guitar special so needless to say all christmas I played that guitar like it was my only one , But honestly I discovered that the thing is a fairly decent guitar especially for the $150 she paid, It sounds decent ,Stays in tune and if pretty comfortable , I needed to adjust the neck a little at first to get rid of a little buzz it had but 1/8th - 1/4 turn and problem solved, Haven't had to touch it since. and it included the amp & a few other things .so all in all not bad. I was just wondering what you thought about it .
The way they handled that guitar makes me doubt the claims. I don't treat my modern guitars in this manner.
What is that song you're playing with the D line cliche?
Stauffer headstocks were 1833. This is pre-1900
Old wood, good wood,,thanks
How to determine vintage original Martin acoustic guitar case 🤔
I happen to own an 1842 Martin that just got restored at the factory. They had to hand carved a brand-new neck for me out of New old stock which was a first for the Martin factory to do and mine also has steel strings because it has X bracing but they did originally come with nylon strings. I do have the original neck because when you have work done at the Martin factory they give you back everything that they take off or replace so you have all the original parts. Mine is very playable and incredibly beautiful. That one looks like it didn't get much play ability but mine looks like it had a lot of play. Do not have the original coffin case and I found mine at a yard sale with another guitar which turns out to be made by Lyon and Healy 1870. Are you ready for this: total cost at the yard sale was $25 for both guitars. That was almost 45 years ago and I do live in bucks county, Pennsylvania just outside of Nazereth, PA.
Martin give you a certificate of authenticity or anything? |I certainly have my doubts about this dudes claims...
I just found an old Martin 1890's in a Florida flea market ,it has a crack and is missing the neck and the top and sides ,but it still plays great ...I paid next to nothing for it
But still had the original strings right? Hell. Must be worth a fortune lol.
Just bought a 1830 Martin prototype from a bloke in the pub for twenty bucks and ten chicken wings. It is in excellent condition and has never been used it even has the original bar code sticker on it, what a find!
Timeless
Just nice..
This model like an 80's Martin guitar model... U can find 1844 martins guitar as first guitar of martin brand.. with rolled headstock..
The headstock is classic guitar-style, the bridge is steel string-style. Is that normal for the era?
that guitar is from some time between mid to late 1840's and 1850's (post 6 on a side headstock, but still in new york)
Wow. It's like the holy grail of guitars.
I want that!
Even as the guy took the guitar in hand, I already suspected that he will hang at the end with the guitar on the case. Did the shop owner not see something like that? But no matter: the more scratch the more valuable? or how or what?
If you don't know why the case is shaped like a coffin you certainly can't say its from 1833.
I just finished watching the Martin Museum Documentary, and they said the oldest known Martin Sr. guitar was 1834, so if you indeed have an 1833 in your possession, I think they would be very interested.
Just watched the same...I took that tour a few years ago and it was a great experience.
I'm cringing so hard watching him ham-hand this ancient guitar. You never open a guitar case without it being flat on a raised surface. This is true for any guitar let alone one that's 175 years old. And the way he just has it lying on the floor at his feet so shity.
the case looks like a coffin
almost 200 years old... that is crazy.
It’s about 130 years old. It’s definitely not from 1833. That’s the year Martin started making guitars. That’s why that date is on the guitar. It’s on almost every Martin made. If this guitar is actually even a Martin it’s from the very late 1800’s or early 1900’s.
I love the New York stamp. Imagine building a solid brand in the biggest market in the world. Then having enough confidence to take that business to the sticks of Pennsylvania. Only to become the tops in the field and the gold standard of that field. Quality product goes a long long way. Business men of today could learn a lot from the Martin story
Timothy Cormier it would be impossible to reproduce a story like martens these days because Manufacturing and owning a business in general is far more difficult due to government interference in the marketplace. If CF Martin were to start building guitars in 2018 not 1833 then it’s far more likely his business would fail. Think about how many amazing luthiers are producing wonderful instruments today that never get to market because of the regulations and costs involved
Synapse2k that’s a great point. Just trying to source lumber is next to impossible. But I’d be willing to bet. If a luthier came up with a design that revolutionized and became the industry standard. Such as martins X-bracing and the dread knot body style. Take nothing away from the luthiers of today. But with most guitars being made today. Are a close copy of a Martin. But don’t touch the sound and quality of a Martin and still stay within a certain price point
@@uria702 To be fair, Martin did have one major disadvantage that modern luthiers don't have: Martin didn't have the entire history of Martin to learn from.
Where did you get that guitar from? Is it for sale?
Thomas Tommy c'mon
Go check out Normans rare guitars 300th episode, It's a 1880's and has peg head tuners NOT geared tuners like this model so.. yeah
It is definitiely before 1867 because of the stamp and the type of neck heel, but certainly not from the 30's as this type of headstock appeared later on, when CF Martin had settled down in Nazareth. I would date it around 1850.
This guitar is not built for still strings and you do it harm... And it would sound much better with nylon strings !
100% accurate. Good eye and good knowledge!
Has it been restored?
Wait, cause that is about the first year and I thought they had the curly headstock.
how did you acquire this guitar? very cool.
@curt vahle not my guitar. Belongs to a friend. Very cool though! #martin #vintageguitars #kyleschaiselounge
No es una 1883, los afinadores de esa era en las martin eran de fricción, parecidos a los de un violin y no de metal como los de esta guirarra
I suspect that guitar is closer to 1918 because of the gear tuner machines. The guitars from 1833 had ivory friction pegs for tuning. 1833 was Martin's first year of making guitars in New York and they had paper labels in the case. The stamped name came later. Steel strings were on custom orders only up until the 1917 koa wood hawaiian guitars came out. That guitar must be after the 1917 date. I would bet money on it.
Amazing guitar. Where did you find it? Is it for sale?
Thomas Tommy Dude no.
I have a Martin Guitar strap from 2019. It's worth about $5, I got it on clearance at Guitar Center.
I'd love to read the providence of that instrument. I can't walk the ax's from the living room to the bedroom, without bumping into something, ya know, nice survivor, thanks. Sounds great, nice playing.
I'd love to own it
It is hard to date Martin guitars prior to 1850s, but this type of headstock and case look more from that period to me. I have one that dates to between 1857 and 1867 and that is about as close as you can get. This is a New York guitar, and probably from the 1850s. Could also be refinished. This period had modified fan braces, some with an X. I would get those silk and steel off of it, though.
I have a 2 1/2 17 Martin says is 1852-1867 that's very similar. but have yet to find and exact match... Do you have one?
Too bad I can't post a pic reply, I could show you pics of roughly the same year guitar with the top and neck off for repair, is also stamped cf martin new york, fan bracing
Any how my good lads
Here is a piece i like to call
Wonderwall
I never understood key locks on guitar cases. Do people actually think that by locking that thing it's going to prevent someone from stealing the guitar? "Oh damn, I can't open the case. I guess I can't steal the guitar. Foiled again" I hate those things, all they do is make it difficult to open the case if they accidentally lock.
Nice, but certainly not from 1833 ,martin did not make this type of guitar until much later ..probably at least the 1850,s could be as late as 1866 after which the the stamps would theoretically read C F Martin AND COMPANY New York..( not just CF Martin New York) but i have seen stamps like that on Martins made as late as the 1890's..You should take it to a qualified vintage me Martin Appraiser... also get a mirror and look for the date handwritten on the inside of the soundboard.
Sure hope those are silk and steel strings installed (against better judgement) on that guitar. Not braced for steel strings.
I thought gear tuners weren't on those guitars that old
It’s probably from the 1890’s
Watch the videos on the Martin Wesite, the style of guitar shown in this video was not made in 1833. I could believe 1933.. There is some great information on their web site.
how much
Pretty cool but can you play "smoke on the water" on it?
Or the intro to Stairway?
I believe '33 was Martin's first year of production. That guitar is worth a fortune.
if it were authentic yes....Martin itself only has one guitar made in 1834.....your telling me the guitar in this video they were banging around is supposed to be older than that? please....
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Are they steel strings? not good! Replace them with low tension nylon. Also, is there a serial number? Thank you for showing us this lovely guitar.
quincemothman I don't think they put serial numbers on untill much later into their history
I'm no expert but that is no where near 1833
munkyg0n2hvn you’re right you are no expert. If you noticed, it said on the stamp, Martin guitar New York City, they were founded in 1833 and were in New York City until 1839. So it had to have been made in that time period. You’re welcome
Please take a look at martin guitars from 1833 and then take another look at this guitar. 😁. Still think this is 1833? 🤣
I know that the headstock isn’t typical of martins of that period, however the case, and body style, along with the stauffer bridge indicates that is is genuine
munkyg0n2hvn thats a 1833 guitar for sure, and I am a expert, been in guitar studies and classical studies and we learned all of the history in collage
Collage 😂
In 2000 I did restoration work on an 1834 0-17 Martin with its original coffin case. It was owned by the the GG grand son of the original owner. The guitar was then verified and appraised by George Gruhn in Nashville. It was a slot head Brazilian rosewood cone heal with a thin MOP ring along with the typical soundhole decoration and fancy back strip. Early Martin model & size designations dont match the later standards, there were many deviations including non Staufer guitars. I have 40 photos and a copy of appraisal.
I would be interested in seeing your photos of this guitar as I record details for all early Martin guitars. My e-mail address is: dghutton99@gmail.com
me too... carolinaoldtime@gmail.com. I can send pictures of mine
Wow
That is not what you claim it is. They did not have steel strings then and stinging a guitar from that time period would destroy it. It can be no older than civil war area, but more like 1880s. The stamp is a question, Martin was in Nazareth PA by 1839 and this guitar is obviously newer. I don't believe it is even a real Martin, maybe a knock off by a Martin employee? I would love to study and research it. One of history's mysteries.
I agree with the other comments about the age. Not 1833. Who told you that? What is making you think it is 1833?
Very awesome guitar but the 1833 stamp is only to show that is where it was made but that is a way late 1800’s modeling any. That is a true case so the guitar probably is real.
Case made by a coffin maker?
what's he playing at 3:01 ? i
What is this guitars worth?
Thomas Middleton I'd say around 150k-250k
Is this what they call a chibson?
Excellent condition where you getting that year from is there a serial num
Indian AXe this is from W A Y before Martin started serializing guitars. I don’t think this is a bonafide 1833 Martin, because they didn’t stamp those in 1833.
i think it is not a 1833 martin
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