Well if all they can do is act like a spider because of their bodys form they are still a spider. A balrog is a mair but it can only use flame, whips and a sword. Thats still its physical form.
@reecebiscuits420 i understand perfectly bud its just people are trying to make it more complicated than it is. Ungoliant was a dark/fallen spirit in spider form but still had 8 legs and produced webs. Shelob was similar but on a smaller scale. Their abililies are that of spiders mainly so why bother calling them something else? Were they in spider form but actually unicorn spirits? That makes zero sense
I never liked the depiction of shelob and ungoliant as a huge spiders. They were spider like monsters, not just huge spiders. Some of the ungoliant artwork in this video is awesome in that regard! I thought shelob in the movie looked way 2 much like a spider, some more fantasy would have been appreciated for her looks.
I mean humans can only reproduce for a fixed period of their lives before having children becomes impossible. Maybe she is passed her child bearing years by the time we meet her in LOTR?
He wasn't talking about Shelob, he was talking about Ungoliant. And if you listen, he was talking about Ainur being sterile but he did also say "however", which means there was an exception, and that's when he mentioned Ungoliant was still able have children. So no... he did not contradict himself.
Idea I heard somewhere else: Shelob is a potential threat, sure, but all she wants to do is eat and spin her web She guards the pass, well uses it as her hunting ground, and Sauron can focus on bigger things It'd be a bloody conflict for him and he'd lose many an orc and even potentially make her angry enough to attack those are just my quick thoughts though
Can one truly kill ancient evil? Probably not. I'm pretty sure Shelob is still alive, but injured. However, it is likely that after a long period of time and feasting, she'll likely recover from her wounds, but learn an important lesson and be more cautious and stealthier.
@@atabreh She didn't lose all her legs. If nothing passed through there anymore she may have simply found another dark part of the world to inhabit and other things to feed on.
Tolkien wrote that Sauron called her his cat, "though she owned him not." I think that was a mistake. He probably meant to write "though he owned her not."
I suppose it might be a useful insurance policy for Sauron, in the event that Morgoth ever escaped from beyond the Walls of Night as prophesied to eventually happen before the Dagor Dagorath. Melkor: Sauron! I have returned. You appear to have built a wonderful empire for me, while I was away. Sauron: Um... yes, sure, Master. I did it all for you, just so when you returned I could step aside and let you return to the throne. Melkor: Well, obviously. Though I don't think too much of all this 'organisation' and 'industry'. I mean, I like all the chaos and death you've caused in the process, but don't forget, we're supposed to be about destruction and hate and eternal chaos, not "order" and all that crap. Anyway, never mind, I can soon tear it all to pieces. Which way to my new throne room? Through this Black Gate? Sauron: Actually, the Black Gate's closed for maintenance this weekend, my Lord. You need to go past Minas Morgul and then up through the pass of Cirith Ungol.... Melkor: Ah, right, thanks for the tip, ok, just strolling over that way then, tra-la-la-la- oooooooooohhhh sh** it's a f***ing giant spider, you know I f***ing hate spiders after what happened with Ungoliant..... oh f***ing hell it's f***ing enormous I'm getting out of here.....! Sauron: Oh dear. What a terrible shame. I guess I'll just have to carry on ruling Middle-Earth, won't I? Manwe: Wait a minute- we were supposed to have this giant fight with him and destroy all life on Earth! Sauron: So... what you're saying is... I saved everyone from armageddon? I guess that makes me the good guy after all! In fact, that basically makes me the hero in the end. Galadriel: I still don't bloody fancy you, you nine-fingered perv! Sauron: Then I shall assume the guise of Bezossatar, Lord of Prime Gifts, and make a TV series in which you do.
Tolkien seemed to be playing both ends of the power level with Shelob. On the one hand she was daughter of Ungoliant and immensely powerful, yet she was killed by a magic dagger. Now it was a really nice magic dagger, but it is hard to believe that the elves put all that much power even into their daggers, especially since Sam was not exactly massively powerful a wielder. And yes, he also had the fragment of the star of Elendil, but even so...
I'd buy it that they did.....I mean, consider this: During the age in which blades like Glamdring, Orcrist and Sting were forged, the elves weren't just fighting mere orcs and trolls, they were in open war with, and fighting dragons, balrogs, Ungoliant, Morgoth and WHO *KNOWS* what other kind of eldritch creatures of great power and evil! There were times where even *they* could *barely* rise up to the challenge! Such a war would, and inevitably did, FORCE them to create weapons that could actually stand up to such conflicts or face unavoidable defeat.....
@@19TheFallen But Shelob is played up as a similar order of creature and the weapon, in the hands of someone barely trained in combat (unlike Merri and Pippin, who both had guard/soldier backgrounds in the Shire, Sam was a gardiner), kills Shelob in essentially two thrusts? Wielding Glamdring, which is described as a full longsword (hand and a half sword), Gandalf, a far more powerful Maya, requires an epic fight taking out half a mountain to take out one Balrog. For a first age divine creature, herself, Shelob seems pretty darn weak.
@@nctpti2073 I will agree that the notion that Sam defeating her is kind of odd, but, there is a truth: Shelob was a lesser descendent of a greater evil power. Not a pushover, mind you, seeing as she survived the ages. It's a running theme in Tolkien's works: As time goes by, the power of these beings dwindles through the generations. Saruman, for example, is to Sauron, what Sauron was to Morgoth. Shelob's offspring are, to her, what she likely was next to Ungoliant. And Smaug would look like a baby next to Glaurung, the so-called "father of the dragons". Weaker, lesser beings or sires in the cases of Shelob and Smaug, but still *very* dangerous. Especially to someone like a Hobbit. Which, to me, hints that there *had* to have been some divine intervention, like with the destruction of the Ring, during Sam's fight with her, that enabled him to hit the right place, which, coupled with Sting, and its ancient, magical properties, allowed for him to defeat her. As for the Balrog, it was one of the few, remaining Balrogs of the First Age that had gone into hiding, meaning that it had a greater power to it. Now, I know I said earlier that Shelob isn't a pushover, and in most circumstances *wouldn't* be, but next to the Balrog, she *is* a pushover that the Balrog would easily defeat, and, only one, such as Gandalf, could have ever hoped to defeat it. It truly was a foe that was beyond any of the rest of the Fellowship, or anyone else in Middle Earth, save for Galadriel, Glorfindel or (maybe) Elrond.
She wasn't killed, just wounded. And Sam didn't stab her - he just held the sword upright. It even says no power could have stabbed her except for her own strength driving down.
As we saw in the films shelob was bested by a hobbit of all things, sure Sauron probably didn't know but that kind of explains the power of Shelob. She wasn't magical or had any void powers like her mother, so chances are Sauron didn't really see her as anything other than a minor annoyance at worst. Sauron didn't really care about his troops, so sending troops under the pass with the understanding that some may be taken by a giant spider who in fact could be killed easily if she attacked an army head on really wouldn't phase him. Not to mention just the sheer amount of orcs he had at his disposal you can see just how little of a difference shelob actually makes.
*Good video* but a bit fast & lose with some facts: i.e. Nobody actually knows what Ungoliant was. Also, it was only rumored she devoured herself but once again, nobody knows what exactly happened to her. Also also Ungoliant didn’t attack Melkor in self defense because he was trying to “rid” himself of her. Lastly: Melian was a Maiar and she most definitely was not sterile. Like I said, good video but a few of the “facts” are not accurate with Tolkien’s Lore. (Can you re-edit the inaccuracies so this video is solid with Tolkien’s writing?) I really do enjoy your uploads. Cheers and thank you.
Wai wai wai wai wait... 3:34 "All Ainur are sterile"? For real? Have you heard about a certain Luthien, DAUGHTER of a certain Maia Melian? How did that came to be then?
They could not reprocreate with other Ainur, but they can with other creatures. Like indeed Melian and Thingol or Ungoliant and the lesser spider creatures
It's absolutely true. Melian is the only exception. Actually, I thought of saying it briefly, but I didn't want to confuse those who don't know by adding this phenomenon, which only appears in one person, to the video. After all, none of them except Melian can have children.
I always assumed that she survived Sam's attack. But the 4th age would not have been a happy place for Shelob. And as men cleaned out Mordor to make it habitable, no doubt they encountered Shelob, and then she would have been killed.
Because no one would be crazy enough going through the tunnels, neither would Frodo or Sam if they had known the danger that were lurking there. They went there because of the trap set up by Gollum, even he didn’t think the manage to get through alive. They only did because of the items given to them, some would call that plot armour, which there are oceans off in LOTR. In fact Gollum is the biggest plot armour because without Gollum they never would have found a way in or getting the ring destroyed Shelob an offspring of Ungoliant that were some sort of spirit of unknown origin the spider like body where her Fana, she is speculated to be everything from Ainur to a spirit from the dark void surrounding Arda it could even be a deliberate creation of Eru or the consequence of Melkor part of the song, putting her in the same unknown origin as the nameless things and the watcher in the water. It’s clear neither of these were beast corrupted by Melkor once he ascended down on Arda as they were there before the Valar and Maiar, just as is the case with Tom Bombadil. However Shelob was a creation of Ungoliant and those not a a spirit as such.
Actually, Sting was an Elvish 𝘥𝘢𝘨𝘨𝘦𝘳 in the possession of a Hobbit. It's just that because of his stature, Sting made an excellent short-sword for Bilbo.
Have you ever actually read Tolkien’s writings? Ungoliant tried to kill Melkor. Also, Shelob is seen as useful by Sauron. There is no affection for the offspring of a creature who attempted to merk his former boss.
@@GreatGreebo Sauron has no affection for anyone period. But there are things that he doesn't like, and therefore things that he likes. He definitely likes Shelob more than elves, so he leaves her alone and sends her some food once in a while. That's definitely way more than orcs get.
@@BIGESTbladeYes, he occasionally sent prisoner's to her and didn't 'begrudge her an orc or two, as he had those in plenty'. I think the book had a line similar to that.(Has been a while since I read it).
Genuinely i dont think sauron at full power would fuck with Shelob, sauron is strong, but everyone feels fear, and a big damn spider like that makes EVERYONE fuckin scared lmfao
@@Mr.Feanor The video states that she learned Melkor intended to do away with her. But what actually happened was she demanded the Silmarils and he said no, then the fight started. What do you not get? I time stamped what to listen to that was wrong. Now I wrote it out and also what actually started the fight between them so you can see how they are two different reasons
@@mist3rmaniac No...he said that she saw that he wanted to get RID OF HER, to LEAVE with the silmarils, and that's when she attacked him, as he said in the video, so it's true, so he wasn't wrong buddy🤣🤦♂️
There is another theory which is seldom discussed. Remember that Ungoliant got bigger the more she ate. She became massive upon devouring the light of the two trees. When the Balrogs drove her off as a group, she went about her existence as before, but never again would she find such rich food. Slowly but surely she would grow smaller and smaller, returning to her original size. Do you see where I'm going with this? It would fit with the imagery the fancy words that stated far in the East she ate herself. Where Shelob made her abode, is in the East, at least as far as those of the West are concerned. It is far in the East from where Ungoliant made her abode after fleeing the Balrogs. For all intents and purposes Shelob has all the powers of Ungoliant. I'm not sure why this video infers that she doesn't. Nothing of Ungoliant's original abilities are missing in the lair of Shelob. Tolkien often changed his mind and went back to ideas again and again. I submit that Shelob and Ungoliant are the same spiritual entity, that she imbued herself into the body of one of her offspring as her previous, shrinking (and wounded by Balrog weapons) body eventually failed. Ungoliant/Shelob is the same, immortal creature.
Sauron may may referred to Shelob as his "cat".. due to a fruitless and impossible arrogant desire for control. His only acknowledgement of the limits of his power was that he would never to be a suitable companion for a cat and that a cat would never abide in his presence.. 😉
I think Sauron couldn’t control Shelob or Ungoliant just like he couldn’t control the balrog. It was more trouble than it was worth and I don’t think Sauron wanted that smoke. Perhaps the spiders also served a purpose in their present capacity. This is my opinion.
This is making me think of that terrible game "the war of Mardor" which shelob was in that as a woman and was turned by sauron! for ages i thought that was cannon but it's not!
That sounds logical. If Shelob was less powerful than Ungoliant, Sauron was also less powerful than Melkor/Morgoth and may have been as vulnerable to Shelob as Melkor was to Ungoliant. Sauron lacking a large force of Balrogs like his master commanded, would most likely call upon the Ringwraiths to assist him if Shelob was ever overcoming him in a direct confrontation.
No it wouldnt. While Melkor spend much of his power in shaping the world and his servants, Sauron kept most of his power for himself. Melkor kept getting weaker while Sauron grew stronger. In the end Sauron would be more powerful than Melkor i bet.
Sauron would have no personal reason to fear her at all. Sauron is leagues above her. Tolkien mentions that the reason why Shelob didnt serve Sauron was because Sauron was Melkors servant whom Shelob hated due to the treachery between Melkor and her mother
The text explicitly states that Sauron knew she was there and found her useful. Sauron as a Maiar likely appreciated Shelob, daughter of another Maiar, Ungoliant, to be a strong bulwark against invasion.
Ungoliant is not said to be a Maiar nor is referenced as one. She is not of Iru and thus not the same being or lineage of beings that are the Maiar and Valar.
@@christianstout6390 All beings are of Eru, and all were created good. Elrond mentions this dynamic in the Lord of the Rings. The Valar are explicitly named, and she is not named among them. The text is likewise explicit in saying, “She descended from the darkness” that lies about Arda, when Melkor first looked down in envy upon the Kingdom of Manwe and that in the beginning she was one of those he corrupted to his service. (Silmarillion, Chapter 8: The Darkening of Valinor) Thus, logically and consistent with the Ainulindale, she must be a Maia for the only orders of being revealed are Iluvatar Himself and the Ainur. Since she is not named as one of the Valar, that leaves only the Maiar. The same must be said of Tom Bombadil.
Nope, Ungoliant came from the darkness itself and was not corrupted by Melkor. Some theories suggest that TB is an avatar of Eru himself. Gandalf would recognise him as a fellow Maia.
@@derekmiller6091 There are no other orders of being mentioned other than Valar and Maiar to which Shelob could belong. See the reference I provided. And Gandalf explicitly mentioned that he would go hang out with Bombadil toward the end of the Lord of the Rings, which is very consistent with my internally consistent logic.
The lord of Mordor could not have had a better guard for those tunnels than Shelob.
But that's exactly the deterrence into the Mordor that failed.
@@somersault1123 if it weren't for the magic items, Frodo and Sam would have ended up in Shelob's stomach.
@@usernh24 aka plot armor
@@raigarmullerson4838 They were prepared, they didn't pull out those items from thin air. Aka. Not plot armor.
It makes me think Sauron believed no one would go up the stairs and through the tunnels with Her in there. He believed it was secure.
You don't mess with weird aliens, you just let them be...
Ungoliant and Shelob were not Spiders. They just looked like spiders, they were evil spirits looking like spiders.
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Well if all they can do is act like a spider because of their bodys form they are still a spider. A balrog is a mair but it can only use flame, whips and a sword. Thats still its physical form.
@@skillsmachine9164 I don’t think you understand buddy
@reecebiscuits420 i understand perfectly bud its just people are trying to make it more complicated than it is. Ungoliant was a dark/fallen spirit in spider form but still had 8 legs and produced webs. Shelob was similar but on a smaller scale. Their abililies are that of spiders mainly so why bother calling them something else? Were they in spider form but actually unicorn spirits? That makes zero sense
@skillsmachine9164 tbf ungol mated with other spiders so while she may be a spirit as a spider
Shelob is certainly a spider
I never liked the depiction of shelob and ungoliant as a huge spiders. They were spider like monsters, not just huge spiders. Some of the ungoliant artwork in this video is awesome in that regard! I thought shelob in the movie looked way 2 much like a spider, some more fantasy would have been appreciated for her looks.
Too answer the question, Shelob was a good guard against any spies that would be trying to find a secret way into Mordor.
How did ordinary spiders mate with them? Be like a minnow matting with a great white.
3:37 If Shelob was sterile, then how could she have offspring for the spiders of merlurk? You’re counterdictating yourself here.
I mean humans can only reproduce for a fixed period of their lives before having children becomes impossible. Maybe she is passed her child bearing years by the time we meet her in LOTR?
It’s a book you can make up anything
thats ai for you
He wasn't talking about Shelob, he was talking about Ungoliant. And if you listen, he was talking about Ainur being sterile but he did also say "however", which means there was an exception, and that's when he mentioned Ungoliant was still able have children. So no... he did not contradict himself.
Idea I heard somewhere else: Shelob is a potential threat, sure, but all she wants to do is eat and spin her web
She guards the pass, well uses it as her hunting ground, and Sauron can focus on bigger things
It'd be a bloody conflict for him and he'd lose many an orc and even potentially make her angry enough to attack
those are just my quick thoughts though
cause no one wants to go find a spider, they usually come and finds you
Can one truly kill ancient evil? Probably not. I'm pretty sure Shelob is still alive, but injured. However, it is likely that after a long period of time and feasting, she'll likely recover from her wounds, but learn an important lesson and be more cautious and stealthier.
what would she feast on tho if Mordor fell
@@atabreh She didn't lose all her legs. If nothing passed through there anymore she may have simply found another dark part of the world to inhabit and other things to feed on.
@@Flaris legit
Tolkien wrote that Sauron called her his cat, "though she owned him not." I think that was a mistake. He probably meant to write "though he owned her not."
Or he was a cat lover and recognised the true nature of the relationship
Clearly, he understood cats. Cats own their humans not the other way around.
Cats dont have owners they have staff 😄
Trust me Tolkien hated cats and referring them as "the fawna of Mordor"
Archaic meaning of 'owned'. It means 'acknowledge'. "She owned him not" means "She didn't recognize him as her master".
Shelob did have Children, the spiders of Mirkwood are her children
Addercot and Tomnoddy?
@@dudethebagman haha 😄 maybe, they did respond to these names when Bilbo said them 😂
That's what he said
I suppose it might be a useful insurance policy for Sauron, in the event that Morgoth ever escaped from beyond the Walls of Night as prophesied to eventually happen before the Dagor Dagorath.
Melkor: Sauron! I have returned. You appear to have built a wonderful empire for me, while I was away.
Sauron: Um... yes, sure, Master. I did it all for you, just so when you returned I could step aside and let you return to the throne.
Melkor: Well, obviously. Though I don't think too much of all this 'organisation' and 'industry'. I mean, I like all the chaos and death you've caused in the process, but don't forget, we're supposed to be about destruction and hate and eternal chaos, not "order" and all that crap. Anyway, never mind, I can soon tear it all to pieces. Which way to my new throne room? Through this Black Gate?
Sauron: Actually, the Black Gate's closed for maintenance this weekend, my Lord. You need to go past Minas Morgul and then up through the pass of Cirith Ungol....
Melkor: Ah, right, thanks for the tip, ok, just strolling over that way then, tra-la-la-la- oooooooooohhhh sh** it's a f***ing giant spider, you know I f***ing hate spiders after what happened with Ungoliant..... oh f***ing hell it's f***ing enormous I'm getting out of here.....!
Sauron: Oh dear. What a terrible shame. I guess I'll just have to carry on ruling Middle-Earth, won't I?
Manwe: Wait a minute- we were supposed to have this giant fight with him and destroy all life on Earth!
Sauron: So... what you're saying is... I saved everyone from armageddon? I guess that makes me the good guy after all! In fact, that basically makes me the hero in the end.
Galadriel: I still don't bloody fancy you, you nine-fingered perv!
Sauron: Then I shall assume the guise of Bezossatar, Lord of Prime Gifts, and make a TV series in which you do.
I'm curious as to why the balrogs seemed unaffected by Ungoliant's webs of darkness when even Valars such as Tulkas and Oromë were confounded by them.
Balrogs are just on another level, one of them fought gandalf to a standstill, so..... Theyre pretty fuckin strong lmfao rofl
Also their bodies are pretty much lava, kinda hard for webs to attach to fire lmfao
Valars are stronger than Gandalf.
@@babansifguy you're responding to ends sentences with "lmfao rofl", IQ in the double digits for sure.
They are fire and thus cast light.
She guarded the pass of Cirith Ungol.
Tolkien seemed to be playing both ends of the power level with Shelob. On the one hand she was daughter of Ungoliant and immensely powerful, yet she was killed by a magic dagger. Now it was a really nice magic dagger, but it is hard to believe that the elves put all that much power even into their daggers, especially since Sam was not exactly massively powerful a wielder.
And yes, he also had the fragment of the star of Elendil, but even so...
I'd buy it that they did.....I mean, consider this: During the age in which blades like Glamdring, Orcrist and Sting were forged, the elves weren't just fighting mere orcs and trolls, they were in open war with, and fighting dragons, balrogs, Ungoliant, Morgoth and WHO *KNOWS* what other kind of eldritch creatures of great power and evil! There were times where even *they* could *barely* rise up to the challenge! Such a war would, and inevitably did, FORCE them to create weapons that could actually stand up to such conflicts or face unavoidable defeat.....
@@19TheFallen But Shelob is played up as a similar order of creature and the weapon, in the hands of someone barely trained in combat (unlike Merri and Pippin, who both had guard/soldier backgrounds in the Shire, Sam was a gardiner), kills Shelob in essentially two thrusts?
Wielding Glamdring, which is described as a full longsword (hand and a half sword), Gandalf, a far more powerful Maya, requires an epic fight taking out half a mountain to take out one Balrog. For a first age divine creature, herself, Shelob seems pretty darn weak.
@@nctpti2073 I will agree that the notion that Sam defeating her is kind of odd, but, there is a truth: Shelob was a lesser descendent of a greater evil power. Not a pushover, mind you, seeing as she survived the ages. It's a running theme in Tolkien's works: As time goes by, the power of these beings dwindles through the generations.
Saruman, for example, is to Sauron, what Sauron was to Morgoth. Shelob's offspring are, to her, what she likely was next to Ungoliant. And Smaug would look like a baby next to Glaurung, the so-called "father of the dragons". Weaker, lesser beings or sires in the cases of Shelob and Smaug, but still *very* dangerous. Especially to someone like a Hobbit. Which, to me, hints that there *had* to have been some divine intervention, like with the destruction of the Ring, during Sam's fight with her, that enabled him to hit the right place, which, coupled with Sting, and its ancient, magical properties, allowed for him to defeat her.
As for the Balrog, it was one of the few, remaining Balrogs of the First Age that had gone into hiding, meaning that it had a greater power to it. Now, I know I said earlier that Shelob isn't a pushover, and in most circumstances *wouldn't* be, but next to the Balrog, she *is* a pushover that the Balrog would easily defeat, and, only one, such as Gandalf, could have ever hoped to defeat it. It truly was a foe that was beyond any of the rest of the Fellowship, or anyone else in Middle Earth, save for Galadriel, Glorfindel or (maybe) Elrond.
She wasn't killed, just wounded. And Sam didn't stab her - he just held the sword upright. It even says no power could have stabbed her except for her own strength driving down.
@@michaelnewsham1412 But it still stabbed into her, without her weight crushing him. Shouldn't his body have given before her hide?
As we saw in the films shelob was bested by a hobbit of all things, sure Sauron probably didn't know but that kind of explains the power of Shelob. She wasn't magical or had any void powers like her mother, so chances are Sauron didn't really see her as anything other than a minor annoyance at worst.
Sauron didn't really care about his troops, so sending troops under the pass with the understanding that some may be taken by a giant spider who in fact could be killed easily if she attacked an army head on really wouldn't phase him. Not to mention just the sheer amount of orcs he had at his disposal you can see just how little of a difference shelob actually makes.
Thanks for your video
Good video
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Just need to say ungoliant and shelob alike is a Evil sprit that took the form of a spider not sure what book it said
I guess Sauron wasn't a butt man so he swiped left on Shelob.
Because he wasn’t fucking stupid.
Why Didn't Sauron Interfere with Shelob? Well maybe she just not his kink
She watched the path of Cirith Unghol and he thought he needed not take care of enemies entering Mordor via this route.
*Good video* but a bit fast & lose with some facts: i.e. Nobody actually knows what Ungoliant was. Also, it was only rumored she devoured herself but once again, nobody knows what exactly happened to her. Also also Ungoliant didn’t attack Melkor in self defense because he was trying to “rid” himself of her. Lastly: Melian was a Maiar and she most definitely was not sterile.
Like I said, good video but a few of the “facts” are not accurate with Tolkien’s Lore. (Can you re-edit the inaccuracies so this video is solid with Tolkien’s writing?) I really do enjoy your uploads. Cheers and thank you.
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Wai wai wai wai wait... 3:34 "All Ainur are sterile"? For real? Have you heard about a certain Luthien, DAUGHTER of a certain Maia Melian? How did that came to be then?
They could not reprocreate with other Ainur, but they can with other creatures. Like indeed Melian and Thingol or Ungoliant and the lesser spider creatures
It's absolutely true. Melian is the only exception. Actually, I thought of saying it briefly, but I didn't want to confuse those who don't know by adding this phenomenon, which only appears in one person, to the video. After all, none of them except Melian can have children.
@@middleearthtales did any of the others even try?
@@middleearthtalesThat’s just not true. Just because there’s no ‘record’ of it doesn’t make it untrue. The dragons were ainur, and they bred.
Awesome vid! 🙌🏾
I always assumed that she survived Sam's attack. But the 4th age would not have been a happy place for Shelob. And as men cleaned out Mordor to make it habitable, no doubt they encountered Shelob, and then she would have been killed.
Because no one would be crazy enough going through the tunnels, neither would Frodo or Sam if they had known the danger that were lurking there. They went there because of the trap set up by Gollum, even he didn’t think the manage to get through alive. They only did because of the items given to them, some would call that plot armour, which there are oceans off in LOTR. In fact Gollum is the biggest plot armour because without Gollum they never would have found a way in or getting the ring destroyed
Shelob an offspring of Ungoliant that were some sort of spirit of unknown origin the spider like body where her Fana, she is speculated to be everything from Ainur to a spirit from the dark void surrounding Arda it could even be a deliberate creation of Eru or the consequence of Melkor part of the song, putting her in the same unknown origin as the nameless things and the watcher in the water. It’s clear neither of these were beast corrupted by Melkor once he ascended down on Arda as they were there before the Valar and Maiar, just as is the case with Tom Bombadil. However Shelob was a creation of Ungoliant and those not a a spirit as such.
Shelob ...😀❤️
Sting wasn't a hobbit sword. It was an Elvish sword in the possession of a hobbit.
Actually, Sting was an Elvish 𝘥𝘢𝘨𝘨𝘦𝘳 in the possession of a Hobbit. It's just that because of his stature, Sting made an excellent short-sword for Bilbo.
@@AlexavierMcConnor81 That is true.
It almost sounds like Sauron almost felt some amount of affection to Shelob. His boss and her mom go way back after all.
Have you ever actually read Tolkien’s writings? Ungoliant tried to kill Melkor. Also, Shelob is seen as useful by Sauron. There is no affection for the offspring of a creature who attempted to merk his former boss.
@@GreatGreebo Sauron has no affection for anyone period. But there are things that he doesn't like, and therefore things that he likes. He definitely likes Shelob more than elves, so he leaves her alone and sends her some food once in a while. That's definitely way more than orcs get.
@@BIGESTbladeYes, he occasionally sent prisoner's to her and didn't 'begrudge her an orc or two, as he had those in plenty'. I think the book had a line similar to that.(Has been a while since I read it).
Genuinely i dont think sauron at full power would fuck with Shelob, sauron is strong, but everyone feels fear, and a big damn spider like that makes EVERYONE fuckin scared lmfao
Not sauron. He'd smack her with his baton sending her flying. She lost to Sam. She'd definitely lose to Sauron.
0:10 Wrong af.
It's correct actually 👍Melkor did try to run away from her with silmarils, and then attacked him...what is wrong there dude?🤷♂️
@@Mr.Feanor Listen to what he says. You answered your own question.
@@mist3rmaniac Don't worry, I did...he said that,correctly, I think you need to listen it again, or whatever, think what you want🤦♂️👍
@@Mr.Feanor The video states that she learned Melkor intended to do away with her. But what actually happened was she demanded the Silmarils and he said no, then the fight started. What do you not get? I time stamped what to listen to that was wrong. Now I wrote it out and also what actually started the fight between them so you can see how they are two different reasons
@@mist3rmaniac No...he said that she saw that he wanted to get RID OF HER, to LEAVE with the silmarils, and that's when she attacked him, as he said in the video, so it's true, so he wasn't wrong buddy🤣🤦♂️
There is another theory which is seldom discussed. Remember that Ungoliant got bigger the more she ate. She became massive upon devouring the light of the two trees. When the Balrogs drove her off as a group, she went about her existence as before, but never again would she find such rich food. Slowly but surely she would grow smaller and smaller, returning to her original size. Do you see where I'm going with this? It would fit with the imagery the fancy words that stated far in the East she ate herself. Where Shelob made her abode, is in the East, at least as far as those of the West are concerned. It is far in the East from where Ungoliant made her abode after fleeing the Balrogs. For all intents and purposes Shelob has all the powers of Ungoliant. I'm not sure why this video infers that she doesn't. Nothing of Ungoliant's original abilities are missing in the lair of Shelob. Tolkien often changed his mind and went back to ideas again and again. I submit that Shelob and Ungoliant are the same spiritual entity, that she imbued herself into the body of one of her offspring as her previous, shrinking (and wounded by Balrog weapons) body eventually failed. Ungoliant/Shelob is the same, immortal creature.
but Melkor afraid Ungoliant because she already ate the Tree of Valinor,right?
I heard that elves are only vegetarian in lotr, is that true? Can we get a video on the diet of each race? Thanks and keep it up!!
Then why do elves love hunting? They’re not killing animals for jollies!
Sauron may may referred to Shelob as his "cat".. due to a fruitless and impossible arrogant desire for control.
His only acknowledgement of the limits of his power was that he would never to be a suitable companion for a cat and that a cat would never abide in his presence.. 😉
I think Sauron couldn’t control Shelob or Ungoliant just like he couldn’t control the balrog. It was more trouble than it was worth and I don’t think Sauron wanted that smoke. Perhaps the spiders also served a purpose in their present capacity. This is my opinion.
Shelob was the Daughter of Ungoliant, an angelic spirit powerful enough to almost Kill Melkor/Morgoth. Best leave it alone…
This is making me think of that terrible game "the war of Mardor" which shelob was in that as a woman and was turned by sauron! for ages i thought that was cannon but it's not!
Thought this would be a good listen till I heard the AI voice.
The text of the book answers this question. Read the book!
UNGOLIANT was hot.
Ungoliant was a very Lovecraftian type of creature. She also reminds me of one of those creatures from Stephen King's "The Mist".
You're not a dragon bro
He needs the web of the arachnid in order to snare Memnoch, lord of the flies (this is shit)
It would make sense that Shelob would be a threat to Sauron just like her mother was to Morgoth
That sounds logical. If Shelob was less powerful than Ungoliant, Sauron was also less powerful than Melkor/Morgoth and may have been as vulnerable to Shelob as Melkor was to Ungoliant. Sauron lacking a large force of Balrogs like his master commanded, would most likely call upon the Ringwraiths to assist him if Shelob was ever overcoming him in a direct confrontation.
Shelob lost to a hobbit bro
No it wouldnt. While Melkor spend much of his power in shaping the world and his servants, Sauron kept most of his power for himself. Melkor kept getting weaker while Sauron grew stronger. In the end Sauron would be more powerful than Melkor i bet.
@@origami83 not to forget how much power Ungoliant had when she attacked Morgoth after eating light from those 2 tree's
Sauron would have no personal reason to fear her at all. Sauron is leagues above her. Tolkien mentions that the reason why Shelob didnt serve Sauron was because Sauron was Melkors servant whom Shelob hated due to the treachery between Melkor and her mother
Sexy Shelob is Canon
The text explicitly states that Sauron knew she was there and found her useful.
Sauron as a Maiar likely appreciated Shelob, daughter of another Maiar, Ungoliant, to be a strong bulwark against invasion.
Ungoliant is not said to be a Maiar nor is referenced as one. She is not of Iru and thus not the same being or lineage of beings that are the Maiar and Valar.
@@christianstout6390
All beings are of Eru, and all were created good. Elrond mentions this dynamic in the Lord of the Rings.
The Valar are explicitly named, and she is not named among them.
The text is likewise explicit in saying, “She descended from the darkness” that lies about Arda, when Melkor first looked down in envy upon the Kingdom of Manwe and that in the beginning she was one of those he corrupted to his service. (Silmarillion, Chapter 8: The Darkening of Valinor)
Thus, logically and consistent with the Ainulindale, she must be a Maia for the only orders of being revealed are Iluvatar Himself and the Ainur. Since she is not named as one of the Valar, that leaves only the Maiar.
The same must be said of Tom Bombadil.
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Nope, Ungoliant came from the darkness itself and was not corrupted by Melkor. Some theories suggest that TB is an avatar of Eru himself. Gandalf would recognise him as a fellow Maia.
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There are no other orders of being mentioned other than Valar and Maiar to which Shelob could belong. See the reference I provided.
And Gandalf explicitly mentioned that he would go hang out with Bombadil toward the end of the Lord of the Rings, which is very consistent with my internally consistent logic.
Wtf is this AI?
Why does alwmost every youtube video has someone who sounds like those AI voices -.-* annoying
There’s no way she was there when Minas Ithil was there. Anarion and his descendants would have been aware and dealt with her.
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