There's another continent in the Eastern Sea that has never been elaborated on whatsoever. I have wondered if there are creatures there that Morgoth modeled dragons after.
@@ondrejmrazek8209It was. Morgoth's first battles with the Valar broke the original land mass apart. The eastern continent existed before the two Lamps were made. By the Third Age the maps show another continent in the south, known as the Dark Lands but I'm not sure if it was created later or discovered by the Numenoreans
You mentioned werewolves, and there is actually one case you missed, where Tolkien explicitly describes Morgoth creating a wolf-monster, outlines how he creates it, and very explicitly talks about an evil spirit entering it. "Then Morgoth recalled the doom of Huan, and he chose one from among the whelps of the race of Draugluin; and he fed him with his own hand upon living flesh, and put his power upon him. Swiftly the wolf grew, until he could creep into no den, but lay huge and hungry before the feet of Morgoth. There the fire and anguish of hell entered into him, and he became filled with a devouring spirit, tormented, terrible, and strong." Even though Tolkien doesn't say so, this must have been how dragons were also created.
I would agree with this. As Tolkien is famous for leaving things unexplained we can assume the original forms of the dragons will always be a mystery, but that Melkor found them, or at least Glaurung at the start, and corrupted it into the wyrm we know, and later bred the winged drakes from Ancalagon. Just as the great eagles were spirits of the air that aligned with Manwe, it's possible dragons were spirits of fire and/or ice, since those were Melkor's chief powers within Arda. Much in the way the Valar and Maiar are able to take various forms as they wish, and similar to Ungoliant taking the form of a spider, so too did the spirits of the dragons, also Maiar, likely take a form that reflected their corruption at the hands of Morgoth.
Dragons are on a completely different level to werewolves though. Both in power and intelligence. Full grown dragons are calamities akin to a balrog, enough to make one of the mightiest dwarven kingdom abandon their city. Creating them would also take more you would think.
Just want to add something you might have overlooked (or discarded): "Then arose Thorondor, King of Eagles, and he loved not Melko; for Melko had caught many of his kindred and chained them against sharp rocks to squeeze from them the magic words whereby he might learn to fly (for he dreamed of contending even against Manwë in the air); and when they would not tell he cut off their wings and sought to fashion therefrom a mighty pair for his use, but it availed not."
I agree with this. The second hand person doesn’t know everything. Yes he would be clued in to a lot more than most in melkors army, but there are definitely secrets kept by melkor because he wouldn’t want anyone to be more powerful than him. It’s like learning how to build a nuke then telling that information to someone else. You wouldn’t
Thank you very much for adding it. actually this quote is a proof that Melkor started experimenting on eagles. Although, as you know, the Lost Tales are the first prototype of Middle Earth. But it seems to support the eagles theory, don't you think?
@@middleearthtales Maybe if " but it availed not" is only pointing to Melkor - Personally I think it points to the "the magic words". So I guess he didnt learn it from them. But there are other powerful creatues he could learn it from Swans ect. And about Lost Tales being the prototype then I always go by a few rules: Does it change in later writing? (in this case no) Does it contradict later writings? (Also no) - So the stance where we discard earlier writings only on the stance on that it is "old" is not a good argument :)
@@skjold224 The problem is that it wasnt intended for publication. We all know that Tolkien changed quite a bit so we cant take personal notes/brainstorming as canon...
The first dragons (that is plural, because there were more than just Glaurung that were wingless, they just weren't named) were wingless. So I think it is safe to assume, that the origins are some kind of lizard, possibly a snake. Thou my money is on lizards. I think we can assume that Melkor got better at making creatures with time. Orcs and trolls were partial successful, but were also very flawed. The dragons were his masterpiece, and it was probably something he continued to refine till the end. But why make them? I don't think dragons were to mock eagles. I think they were meant to replace balrogs. Every time Melkor lost a balrog, it was a unrecoverable loss. So he needed something in equal strength. And so he made the dragons. To fill a need for those top-tier units in his army.
Yeah, I think this is reasonable. Though mocking the eagles would have been a bonus. I agree that he probably wanted something of similar or near the destructive power of the balrogs that could be replaced, so that he could keep the balrogs back as commanders and not have to risk them in the front lines so often.
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@@Lodrik18 read my text again. I did not say that Glaurung was not the first. I said he was not the only wingless among the early dragons. I get the confusion thou, from the way i phrase it.
We also have later examples of powerful sorcerors (Sauron and Saruman) combining different life forms into new ones, most notably the Uruk-Hai which are a cross of orcs and humans. It's possible that the dragons were a combination of multiple ingredients rather than a corruption of just one. The early wingless dragons vs. the later flying ones may have been just Morgoth altering the ratios (adding more eagle most likely) in the formula to get more powerful servants. My best guess is that he combined fire spirits with corrupted large snakes and later perhaps added tortured great eagle into the mix to get them to fly.
My personal theory is that Melkor only created the fire drakes, and the cold drakes are the natural creatures that served as the template for fire drakes.
i think the nameless things are the best theory. So what if Sauron didnt know, do you think something as evil, twisted and self centered as Morgoth is going to be truthful about his creations. Which would make him sound more godlike to his followers, "Look at what i have created!" or "I just found this bigass worm thing and twisted it, pretty cool huh?" I go with nameless things.
I think there is always an expectation that melkor was trying to use a magical creature in his attempts to imitate creation and therefore overlook that he could have simply used a regular animal instead, perhaps a lizard or something Or he may have conjoined multiple different creatures, magical or not, afterwards adding evil spirits using his necromancy and later his own power to enhance them. We don't really know how long the process took but it seems to be at least a few hundred years, if not more so, and morgoth seemed to experiment quite often with nany different things. The dragons may have been a long term masterpiece in his eyes
One of the issues that arise from "digging too deep and greedily" into Tolkien's magnificent Legendarium, is the revealing of the number of times he changed his mind on particular subject persona, places and events. Though I truly treasure each and every volume of Christopher's release of the "History of Middle-Earth" I need to keep in mind that JRR did not personally consider the contained info appropriate for widespread consumption, simply because of the controversies such info would reveal. For example, at one time, JRR envisioned Melkor having a spouse, named Ulbandi (aka Fluithin) who bore him the son Kosomot (aka Gothmog). Gothmog inevitably being a corrupted Maiar instead, makes for a far better storyline, if not a more powerful being. For reasons similar to those exposed with this vid, that idea was totally abandoned. So too I suspect, JRR had considered an "origin" for his Dragons but felt it would detract from the terrifying mystery of their first and subsequent appearance(s). He enjoyed his mysteries and rightfully (imho) so. We humans are reputed for fearing what we do not understand. Though in the many decades since JRR's novels (and histories) were written, Dragons have been envisioned with a host of personalities and powers (e,g. D&D, Game of Thrones, Dragonheart, How to Train Your dragon, et al...) back then, Dragons were primarily of a vindictive and evil nature (e,g, Beowulf, The Norse Eddas, Fafnir, Nidhogg, et al...). Inspired by these predecessors, JRR utilized the same concept for Smaug, Glaurung and his other Dragons. Though from where they came I do not know, I'm very happy they appeared! 🥰
Nice reply. I suspect that if Tolkien is able to look down and see some of these theories and speculations about the world he created, he'd have a good chuckle over it.
I like the Nameless Things hypothesis. It makes sense with the prevalence of wingless wyrms in Norse mythology and the fact that the first dragons in Tolkien's legendarium have no wings, mysteriously emerging from the depths
My theory is that if the werewolves were lesser Maiar possessing the bodies of regular wolves, then it stands to reason that Dragons are when Greater Maiar possess the living bodies of large serpents or other reptiles. Glaurung did resemble a giant monitor lizard, after all.
I like the fact you leave so much room to ponder in your videos. and dont bother if people say something about the ai stuff, its your channel, your choice
When I make the videos I try to approach it as differently as possible from what's in the existing videos. Because there are so many great videos on youtube about middle earth. thank you
The downside being that changing Eru's creation cost Melkor *permanent* loss of power. This is why, by the War of Wrath, he could no longer outclass the other Valar. Corrupting and altering the world and its creatures came at a heavy price for Melkor.
I would say that the fact that Sauron didn’t know about the nameless things is a point towards them having been part of the recipe for making dragons. Dragons were Melkors nuke and while Sauron worked for melkor he had his own will to power and his own agenda, thus I can see him hiding the means by which dragons were created from him. especially when one considers that these dragons were often basically dark lords in there own right. I can’t imagine smog being Sauron’s servant rather I think he would have seen himself as the dark lords equal.
One of the new LotR games, Return to Moria touches on the origin of the blackwings, the mounts of the nazgul. It's final boss, a female dragon Narag-Shazon claims to have given birth to them during the third age. The actual canonicity of this statement remains vague as it does take place within a canon event of the reclamation of Moria, but also doesnt make any direct statements as to whether this is THE reclamation that the last Durin was/will get involved in or just Gimli doing his own thing before settling in the glimmering caves.
Tolkiens dragons feel different to anything else. Their natural enemy was the eagles in the first age, but survived after Melkors defeat when even the balrogs went into hiding. They were also still a presence in the world in the 3rd age just like the eagles, but with the gold fever of a dwarf… Sauron didnt control them, so only Melkor could i imagine. The only other being powerful enough to simply ignore Sauron was Tom Bambidali - so what if Tom was not always alone, but from a lost race or others with equivalent power. In turn could they have been corrupted by Melkor and Tom is the last of his kind rather than the only one?
He could've used the Fell Beasts or some type of large lizard as the template, powered them up with magic and infused one of the spirits making them far stronger, but done all this to mock the Eagles. 'Making a mockery of' does not mean 'creating it FROM the thing you are mocking' but as a bad/different COPY of it.
@@DraconimLtI’m sure you’ve seen it in nature documentaries, but most if not all snakes have vestigial leg bones. Funnily enough there could’ve been armless lizards running around at some point.
@@jacobsykes3707 I know they have vestigal leg bones, I'm just saying if Morgoth made Glaurung with legs it'd be easier for him to start with a lizard than a snake, that's all. As for ''armless lizards running around at some point'' 1) 'Running' around, without legs? LOL. 2) There still are. Slow-worms. Look em up. - Or did you mean with 2 legs but no arms?
I really hope someone preferably (Peter Jackson) makes a movie based in the first age and the rise and fall of morgoth and his great empire. Would be very interesting to see on the big screen
Trolls were not made out of ents, that Orcs were corrupted Elves were an earlier idea from Tolkien that he rejected in his later years. So following that, Orcs and Trolls were made as a mockery of Elves and Ents, thus Dragons could be made a mockery of Eagles but have no Eagle in them. That said, Dragons make for a poor mockery of Eagles, so i wholeheartedly dislike that idea. We were never meant to know how Morgoth made dragons, and it probably involved a process far more complicated than taking one creature and puring evil magic into it until it changed into something else. I expect a mix of a lot of creatures, known and unknown as well as spirits. Dragons were all evil, from their voices came spells, curses and magic. They had an affinity with fire, which tracks considering where they were first bred. The first dragon also had a slimy, pale and sickly underside, if that does not make you go "nameless thing" then what does? That they were made with spirits and nameless things, as well as other more mundane animals seems to be the most likey answer. The nameless things were a myriad of creatures, the watcher in the water is most likely a nameless thing, as it emerged from subterranian waters below the misty mountains into the pond that formed outside the gate of moria. But we are also told that other nameless things burrow through the rock beneath the mountains, a poor fit for a creature such as the watcher who lived in water, hinting that there are many kinds of them, after all, they are known as nameless thing(s).
But, for me, a huge misconception is that Yavanna couldn´t create life. She did created most of the living creatures in Middle Earth: Plants, Animals and Insects. That they didn´t posesed humanoid form is another thing. BUT SHE CREATED LIFE WITHOUT ERU ILUVATAR
iirc, the Silmarillion says Eru placed the Eternal Flame in the heart of Ea to create in reality the vision made by the Ainur during their Great Music directed by Eru. The flame was an outward manifestation of Eru's creative power, and allowed the Ainur who lived in Ea to shape the world according to the vision of the Music.
The description of the fell beasts makes them seem like giant vultures, twisted and made more hideous by Sauron. Just as there are giant eagles, why couldn't there be giant vultures? Native to arid climate of Harad, of which Tolkien's writings scarely touch? I don't see any hints at all that they are related to dragons, and several that they are not.
I think they're likely an attempt to get something similar by Sauron, but he was still in the process of experimentation at the time of the War of the Ring and had less magic to work with, explaining why they're quite a bit weaker and less intelligent.
Maybe Sauron knew about Nameless things in general, especially those that dwelt in Angband. He may just not have known about which exactly of them lived under Misty Mountains.
@@Vikingr4Jesus5919 To be fair, that's just what Gandalf assumes of Sauron. It's not like he has an encyclopedia of 'things my old coworker may or may not know'.
A parallel: I love Resident Evil and my favorite character is Hunk; hardly anything is know about him. The dude's a badass. As much as I want to know about his backstory, the less I want to because it will take away from his mystery because that's what makes the character so great. That being said, I even thought the nameless things, which shouldn't be completely out of question. Maybe Tolkien knew but never wrote it or he never got to it and just speculated and debated with himself OR just left it out in the open for us to decide
You're very much right about that, Tolkien is said to have deliberately put in nuggets of lore and then not elaborate upon them, calling them islands on the distant horizon full of mystery, of which if someone explored, they would lose their figurative enchantment.
Is it possible that the discord caused by Melkor during the previous Music of the Ainur created the Glaurung? Maybe he found Glaurung the same way he found Ungoliant, but unlike Ungoliant, Glaurung was more controllable and Melkor ordered him to take the form of a dragon.
Of course the elephant in the room (or in this case, the dragon) is that if Tolkien hadn't worked out this particular detail in his mind, then there is no answer because all of this came out of Tolkien's head. If in this case, Tolkien never bothered to work out what the origin of the dragons were, then they're essentially irreducible in that sense. There is no origin. They're just there. There's a compartment in my brain that totally enjoys these videos and completely suspends disbelief, but every once in a while I wake up for a moment and realize the silliness of it all. Tolkien was a literal genius imo, but he was only a man. There's no way he could thought of every nuance and detail of the backstory of MIddle Earth. All that being said, I still enjoy these videos although I find it perplexing as to why I do enjoy them so much.
My thougts always have been dragons are mockeries of eagles (or more aeral units to offset Manwae's eagles) where as foul beast of Sauron were the dragon kin that were domesticated.
Im relatively certain that it is told that if a Maiar inhabits a physical form for long enough, and partakes of the world, they can no longer choose to take another form, and gain the ability to breed. Like if a Maiar chooses to become a great and powerful Orc, which was done, they eventually get stuck as that Orc and basically just become an Orc, breeding ability and all. So dragons very well good be Maiar if that is the case, stuck in the chosen form, becoming essentially a new species of creature.
The fact that Sauron never learns about the nameless things does not rule out their possibility of being part of how dragons were created. That would assume that Sauron always knew anything Melkor knew. Which is rarely the case in stores where there is a hierarchy of villains. Sauron had his department, just as Gothmog had his. We also know that not all of Utumno was destroyed. Those untouched depths could be where Melkor started working on dragons and Sauron wouldn’t have been involved. Sauron certainly would have eventually known about Glaurung, but that doesn’t mean Sauron would know how Glaurung came to be. Melkor could have known of the nameless things and never told Sauron.
Perhaps Melkor discovered that giant eagles had dinosaur heritage and decided he could definitely work with that? Though I don't think evolution is a thing in Middle Earth so I don't know if he could zap them with his equivalent of a devo gun from the Mario Brothers movie.
Why does it have to be a single beats for origin? Melkor could have taken lizards and snakes and made a worm, then later added eagles to get flight. Combine it all with some magic from Fire spirits and boom, Dragons.
Yeah, I think this is the most likely origin. If in the 3rd age Saruman was able to combine orcs and humans to make Uruk-hai, I think it's reasonable that Morgoth would have been able to combine a bunch of things to make dragons, altering the ratios and adding ingredients to improve upon them over the years.
Morgoth can create. All sentient beings in ME can create. What only Iluvatar can create LIFE that has a free will (sentience) of its own. Iow a soul (Secret Fire/Flame Imperishable) This is seen in the Silmarillion when Aule in his haste to see the awakening of the Elves tries to create beings to teach. Aules work acted like puppets. The only did what he wanted..and only acted. Like the were alive when he was paying attention to them. Eru visited him. After realizing that this had come from a good place, Eru rewarded Aule by granting life to his creation….The dwarves. Melkor however could twist and corrupt…change…life that had already been created. So Melkor could take lizards and turn them into dragons. He had that kind of power. He resented that he couldn’t create life…or create a universe according to his own will and design.
It's been a while since I've read the Silmarillion, never mind the History of Middle Earth, but I vaguely recall that in the Last Battle at the end of the First Age the herald of Manwe was his son as well.
The theory of fire spirits/fire Maiar embodying a warped creation of eagle is probably the step closest to what really would've taken place. I'd like to suggest that Morgoth also used bats. Sauron had a close ally, a female Vampire Bat Thuringwethil, and turned himself into a bat shape to escape Huan. It is not unthinkable that, bats and vampires being an existing creature in Tolkien's world, Morgoth combined the mighty bodies of the Eagles and parts of bats to create these dragonic bodies that then Maiar spirits inhabited. It explains their cunning (Maiar spirits are a lower but still angelic order), their physical appearance, and their dreadful potential. It's also important to note that in the Silmarillion it's explained how Morgoth only later realized his Orc armies unaided were no match for the Eldar armies. I reckon that was a subtle hint to state when Morgoth began considering the creation of Dragons, as it was during the Siege of Angband that Glaurung, albeit prematurely, charged forth. Why does this matter? Because by this time all other plot points - the creatures of the bats, Maiar spirits, Great Eagles, and Morgoth's ability to manipulate what exists - are already put in place. It remains a theory but is the best thing so far. Feel free to share your thoughts on my additional theory regarding the bats.
considering that Draugluin was the father of werewolves and possibly an ancestor of Charcharoth, I would say that Maiar can reproduce, at least if they are in a physical body. They just don't give rise to new Maiar that way.
I would guess because morgoth influenced carcoroth’s growth by hand feeding him then he might’ve found a huge serpent/reptile and twisted it into what became glaurong and hand fed him then imbued his own magic into him and became a dragon of sorts
I've always wondered if the base materials for dragons and the the fell beasts might have been rare remnants of dinosaurs that somehow escaped the extinction episode, this being before the awakening of the first born.
i think they had 4 very different grand parents. i think fire spirits are in there, though i remember ice dragons as a thing, but i may be wrong. melko had control over fire and ice at the start too. i think he had a choice of all the dinosaurs and i cant choose which ones it could be, but the eagles are possibly in there too, because of the mocking nature
Glaurung was not merely the first dragon. He was also called the Father of Dragons. This could, of course, be a metaphorical allusion to his position as the first dragon, but what if it's literal? What if Glaurung fathered all of Morgoth's other dragons, including Ancalagon the Black? That leaves us with two slightly lesser questions to answer : whence came Glaurung? and who or what were the mothers of the dragons?
Creating a flightless dragon out of Great Eagles further mocks the Eagles- and adds one more opposite characteristic. Taking this under consideration, I think creating dragons out of the Great Eagles is more plausible than creating them from fallen beasts; as those are most probably only animals, plus still they are evil, so offending them would be impossible.
My personal theory about dragons in middle earth is they are great serpents twisted by morgoth in a more the eagle and the viper style tale but that’s just my theory
I would have imagined that Melkor took ravens or crows and twisted them in mockery of the great eagles of Manwe. Perhaps even snakes were fused with some of the dark maiar that joined him.
I know there’s no evidence to support this at all but I like the idea of dragons being somehow derived from the dwarves lust for gold. Morgoth could have spent a long time manipulating that specific trait and adapting it into a creature that embodies it. Kind of like how a dwarf becomes a dragon in God of War.
It may be non-canon, but in shadow of war 2017 game it is stted that fire drakes are hybrids of fellbeasts and dragon. So, they could be fell-beats (wyvern) based, but this is late creation (Wb games), not original source material.
The eagles idea is, excuse my honest brutality, utterly stupid. Saying that the intelligence part makes it more likely and instantly forgetting the malevolent spirit dragons had with ridiculously powerful abilities, and forgetting about merging things with spirits that quickly? Yeah, dumb. Foregoing in world explanations the real fact is, just like the gates of Moria, Tolkien done goofed. Forgotten the "not able to create life" bit (that wasn't there at the start but he added it because of his own religious beliefs) and simply made him create them. Forgoing that real life bit, ANY reptile, fused with strong evil spirits, molded and strengthened by Melkor's own hands and power is the answer.
The entire Valar pantheon is essentially a pagan one. So, essentially Morgoth could actually create. As essentially birds are Manwe s creation, dwarves are aules Trees and ents Yavana's and so on
you are mistaken. They can create life from scratch, as an example yavanna created the Ent, the plants and animals, manwe the eagles, aule created instead mountains, the TREES. it was melkor and melkor alone that could not create anything that had life because of his rebellion during the music. Aule was reprimanded for creating the dwarves beacuse he created them BEFORE the sons of iluvatar awoken. And also the dwarves did not shift back to stone where did you read that, they cowered in fear at aule rising his hammer at them, showing free will
Originally, the Dwarves had no will but Aule's. They could do nothing without him. Iluvatar was aware that Aule had created the Dwarves in spite of his will and busted him. Aule repented of his hubris, so Iluvatar showed mercy on him and granted the Dwarves full sentience. So when Aule was going to destroy them, they showed fear, as you say, demonstrating their newly acquired free will. But the Dwarves were put into a deep sleep till after Elves and Men had arrived according to Iluvatar's plan.
I do not know if you're using AI to transcribe your script into audio, or if you are deliberately or unintentionally mispronouncing things. I do like your content and I have promoted you on x, but even in this video alone you mispronounced Ancalagon I enjoy your content and I have subscribed, but if you are in fact recording this with your own voice, you should look into how these things are pronounced
we know that maiar, elves, and humans can al interbreed. this means balrogs can breed with orcs, or even great beasts. glaurung was very smart, devious. balrog crossed with crawling dragon for flyin-fire breathing dragon many combinations possible
Dinosaurs. The reference to the origin of the fell beasts implies pteranodons. I would imagine he did to dinosaurs what he did to charcaroth, twist and torment and mar and pour his own evil and malice into it. The Silmarillion says he spends his power to make such things, and they diminish him. I would guess he poured more of himself into the dragons than in any other corruption. IIRC, it is after the first appearance of Glaurung that Morgoth is wounded by Fingolfin, and that the wounds do not heal. Like with Sauron and the forging of the One Ring, Morgoth poured too much of himself into the dragons. Clever, cruel, greedy, powerful, and overthrown due to their arrogance and folly, truly their father’s sons.
I thought Valar can create life but only if they use their own portion of the Secret Fire? Manwe created his sentient eagles Yavana created her sentient Ents Aule created his sentient dwarves Melkor should be able to create beings of his own at the expense of his own self/power
2points: 1. JRRT is not the final authority on the LOTR. He was constantly retconning the world to the point the even he didn’t know what was true. 2. There’s a simpler explanation. The Ainulindalë is false. Melkor is Eru Illuvatar. The Valar overthrew him and he was pissed about it. I challenge anyone to read Silmarillion with that in mind. Once you see it you cannot unsee it.
Early dragons look very much snake-like. Tolkien was a devout christian, so... Could Morgoth make a normal snake into a dragon ? How then make it sprout wings and legs ? Anyway, even Smaug is called worm, so I think snakes are still the basis of Tolkien's dragons.
i truly thing it was something in the north that we have not seen! Would be some sort of lizard My thoughts because he created the were wovles as u said but he used a wolf and a spirit and it still was a wolf just could walk on 2 legs or was fowl and more monsterer i dunno?
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There's another continent in the Eastern Sea that has never been elaborated on whatsoever. I have wondered if there are creatures there that Morgoth modeled dragons after.
Was that continent a thing when the dragons were created?
@@ondrejmrazek8209It was. Morgoth's first battles with the Valar broke the original land mass apart. The eastern continent existed before the two Lamps were made. By the Third Age the maps show another continent in the south, known as the Dark Lands but I'm not sure if it was created later or discovered by the Numenoreans
You mentioned werewolves, and there is actually one case you missed, where Tolkien explicitly describes Morgoth creating a wolf-monster, outlines how he creates it, and very explicitly talks about an evil spirit entering it.
"Then Morgoth recalled the doom of Huan, and he chose one from among the whelps of the race of Draugluin; and he fed him with his own hand upon living flesh, and put his power upon him. Swiftly the wolf grew, until he could creep into no den, but lay huge and hungry before the feet of Morgoth. There the fire and anguish of hell entered into him, and he became filled with a devouring spirit, tormented, terrible, and strong."
Even though Tolkien doesn't say so, this must have been how dragons were also created.
I just read this part to my daughter last night. She requested a second read through of the Hobbit, LOTR, and The Silmarillion.
I would agree with this. As Tolkien is famous for leaving things unexplained we can assume the original forms of the dragons will always be a mystery, but that Melkor found them, or at least Glaurung at the start, and corrupted it into the wyrm we know, and later bred the winged drakes from Ancalagon. Just as the great eagles were spirits of the air that aligned with Manwe, it's possible dragons were spirits of fire and/or ice, since those were Melkor's chief powers within Arda. Much in the way the Valar and Maiar are able to take various forms as they wish, and similar to Ungoliant taking the form of a spider, so too did the spirits of the dragons, also Maiar, likely take a form that reflected their corruption at the hands of Morgoth.
Dragons are on a completely different level to werewolves though. Both in power and intelligence. Full grown dragons are calamities akin to a balrog, enough to make one of the mightiest dwarven kingdom abandon their city. Creating them would also take more you would think.
The way that reads doesn't mean it was literally an evil spirit. Just that the wolf's spirit became evil.
"Hey, can I change my name? Melkor just sounds too evil." "Sure, what do you want to change it to?" "Morgoth"
Feanor changed it for him
"I'm thinking I don't want to be as evil as I used to be. "Lessgoth."
@mealroyale it's sindiran and means "dark enemy"
Feanor named Melkor Morgoth after Melkor killed Feanor’s father and stole the Silmarils. It means “Black Foe of the World”.
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Just want to add something you might have overlooked (or discarded):
"Then arose Thorondor, King of Eagles, and he loved not Melko; for Melko had caught many of his kindred and chained them against sharp rocks to squeeze from them the magic words whereby he might learn to fly (for he dreamed of contending even against Manwë in the air); and when they would not tell he cut off their wings and sought to fashion therefrom a mighty pair for his use, but it availed not."
I agree with this. The second hand person doesn’t know everything. Yes he would be clued in to a lot more than most in melkors army, but there are definitely secrets kept by melkor because he wouldn’t want anyone to be more powerful than him. It’s like learning how to build a nuke then telling that information to someone else. You wouldn’t
Thank you very much for adding it. actually this quote is a proof that Melkor started experimenting on eagles. Although, as you know, the Lost Tales are the first prototype of Middle Earth. But it seems to support the eagles theory, don't you think?
@@middleearthtales Maybe if " but it availed not" is only pointing to Melkor - Personally I think it points to the "the magic words". So I guess he didnt learn it from them. But there are other powerful creatues he could learn it from Swans ect.
And about Lost Tales being the prototype then I always go by a few rules: Does it change in later writing? (in this case no) Does it contradict later writings? (Also no) - So the stance where we discard earlier writings only on the stance on that it is "old" is not a good argument :)
Very thought provoking….thank you.
@@skjold224 The problem is that it wasnt intended for publication. We all know that Tolkien changed quite a bit so we cant take personal notes/brainstorming as canon...
The first dragons (that is plural, because there were more than just Glaurung that were wingless, they just weren't named) were wingless. So I think it is safe to assume, that the origins are some kind of lizard, possibly a snake. Thou my money is on lizards.
I think we can assume that Melkor got better at making creatures with time. Orcs and trolls were partial successful, but were also very flawed.
The dragons were his masterpiece, and it was probably something he continued to refine till the end.
But why make them? I don't think dragons were to mock eagles. I think they were meant to replace balrogs. Every time Melkor lost a balrog, it was a unrecoverable loss. So he needed something in equal strength. And so he made the dragons. To fill a need for those top-tier units in his army.
Yeah, I think this is reasonable. Though mocking the eagles would have been a bonus. I agree that he probably wanted something of similar or near the destructive power of the balrogs that could be replaced, so that he could keep the balrogs back as commanders and not have to risk them in the front lines so often.
@@danielkorladis7869 If you played Rome Total War, or games like it, you know how much you start to avoid using your best veterans, as much as possible, because you don't wanna risk loosing your best, if you can avoid it :D
Glaurung was the first dragon, thats clearly stated in the Silmarillion...
@@Lodrik18 read my text again.
I did not say that Glaurung was not the first. I said he was not the only wingless among the early dragons.
I get the confusion thou, from the way i phrase it.
Except he couldn't "lose" a Balrog. Balrogs were immortal and couldn't die. They could be defeated but would reform eventually.
We also have later examples of powerful sorcerors (Sauron and Saruman) combining different life forms into new ones, most notably the Uruk-Hai which are a cross of orcs and humans. It's possible that the dragons were a combination of multiple ingredients rather than a corruption of just one. The early wingless dragons vs. the later flying ones may have been just Morgoth altering the ratios (adding more eagle most likely) in the formula to get more powerful servants.
My best guess is that he combined fire spirits with corrupted large snakes and later perhaps added tortured great eagle into the mix to get them to fly.
so, creating evil abominations is like baking a cake. just add a pinch more eagle with a teaspoon of hate.
@ericsmith 1517 ya pretty much
My personal theory is that Melkor only created the fire drakes, and the cold drakes are the natural creatures that served as the template for fire drakes.
i think the nameless things are the best theory. So what if Sauron didnt know, do you think something as evil, twisted and self centered as Morgoth is going to be truthful about his creations. Which would make him sound more godlike to his followers, "Look at what i have created!" or "I just found this bigass worm thing and twisted it, pretty cool huh?" I go with nameless things.
I think there is always an expectation that melkor was trying to use a magical creature in his attempts to imitate creation and therefore overlook that he could have simply used a regular animal instead, perhaps a lizard or something
Or he may have conjoined multiple different creatures, magical or not, afterwards adding evil spirits using his necromancy and later his own power to enhance them. We don't really know how long the process took but it seems to be at least a few hundred years, if not more so, and morgoth seemed to experiment quite often with nany different things. The dragons may have been a long term masterpiece in his eyes
yeah they may have a little bit of all kinds of things involved in their creation.
I always just assumed all the evils of the land were created as a result of the discordant singing by Melkor when the world was being created.
One of the issues that arise from "digging too deep and greedily" into Tolkien's magnificent Legendarium, is the revealing of the number of times he changed his mind on particular subject persona, places and events. Though I truly treasure each and every volume of Christopher's release of the "History of Middle-Earth" I need to keep in mind that JRR did not personally consider the contained info appropriate for widespread consumption, simply because of the controversies such info would reveal.
For example, at one time, JRR envisioned Melkor having a spouse, named Ulbandi (aka Fluithin) who bore him the son Kosomot (aka Gothmog).
Gothmog inevitably being a corrupted Maiar instead, makes for a far better storyline, if not a more powerful being.
For reasons similar to those exposed with this vid, that idea was totally abandoned. So too I suspect, JRR had considered an "origin" for his Dragons but felt it would detract from the terrifying mystery of their first and subsequent appearance(s). He enjoyed his mysteries and rightfully (imho) so. We humans are reputed for fearing what we do not understand.
Though in the many decades since JRR's novels (and histories) were written, Dragons have been envisioned with a host of personalities and powers (e,g. D&D, Game of Thrones, Dragonheart, How to Train Your dragon, et al...) back then, Dragons were primarily of a vindictive and evil nature (e,g, Beowulf, The Norse Eddas, Fafnir, Nidhogg, et al...).
Inspired by these predecessors, JRR utilized the same concept for Smaug, Glaurung and his other Dragons. Though from where they came I do not know, I'm very happy they appeared! 🥰
Nice reply. I suspect that if Tolkien is able to look down and see some of these theories and speculations about the world he created, he'd have a good chuckle over it.
I like the Nameless Things hypothesis. It makes sense with the prevalence of wingless wyrms in Norse mythology and the fact that the first dragons in Tolkien's legendarium have no wings, mysteriously emerging from the depths
My theory is that if the werewolves were lesser Maiar possessing the bodies of regular wolves, then it stands to reason that Dragons are when Greater Maiar possess the living bodies of large serpents or other reptiles. Glaurung did resemble a giant monitor lizard, after all.
I like the fact you leave so much room to ponder in your videos.
and dont bother if people say something about the ai stuff, its your channel, your choice
When I make the videos I try to approach it as differently as possible from what's in the existing videos. Because there are so many great videos on youtube about middle earth. thank you
The downside being that changing Eru's creation cost Melkor *permanent* loss of power. This is why, by the War of Wrath, he could no longer outclass the other Valar. Corrupting and altering the world and its creatures came at a heavy price for Melkor.
The ability of dragons to hypnotize makes me think they are Mair spirits in reptile bodies.
I would say that the fact that Sauron didn’t know about the nameless things is a point towards them having been part of the recipe for making dragons. Dragons were Melkors nuke and while Sauron worked for melkor he had his own will to power and his own agenda, thus I can see him hiding the means by which dragons were created from him. especially when one considers that these dragons were often basically dark lords in there own right. I can’t imagine smog being Sauron’s servant rather I think he would have seen himself as the dark lords equal.
One of the new LotR games, Return to Moria touches on the origin of the blackwings, the mounts of the nazgul. It's final boss, a female dragon Narag-Shazon claims to have given birth to them during the third age. The actual canonicity of this statement remains vague as it does take place within a canon event of the reclamation of Moria, but also doesnt make any direct statements as to whether this is THE reclamation that the last Durin was/will get involved in or just Gimli doing his own thing before settling in the glimmering caves.
In return to Moria, your character is the last Durin.
@@SerenityGS No they're not. At the end of the game, the player is named "Lord of Moria" to hold the title until the birth of Durin VII.
“Dragons is so stupid!” Yosemite Melkor
You seem to have forgotten the Cold Drakes, which were wingless proto-dragons who did not breathe fire.
Around 7:20 he mentions the first dragon being wingless.
Tolkiens dragons feel different to anything else. Their natural enemy was the eagles in the first age, but survived after Melkors defeat when even the balrogs went into hiding. They were also still a presence in the world in the 3rd age just like the eagles, but with the gold fever of a dwarf… Sauron didnt control them, so only Melkor could i imagine.
The only other being powerful enough to simply ignore Sauron was Tom Bambidali - so what if Tom was not always alone, but from a lost race or others with equivalent power. In turn could they have been corrupted by Melkor and Tom is the last of his kind rather than the only one?
He could've used the Fell Beasts or some type of large lizard as the template, powered them up with magic and infused one of the spirits making them far stronger, but done all this to mock the Eagles. 'Making a mockery of' does not mean 'creating it FROM the thing you are mocking' but as a bad/different COPY of it.
Or very large serpents for the initial flightless dragons, given that Glaurung is described as "slithering."
@@danielkorladis7869 Glaurung had legs tho...
@@DraconimLtI’m sure you’ve seen it in nature documentaries, but most if not all snakes have vestigial leg bones. Funnily enough there could’ve been armless lizards running around at some point.
@@jacobsykes3707 I know they have vestigal leg bones, I'm just saying if Morgoth made Glaurung with legs it'd be easier for him to start with a lizard than a snake, that's all.
As for ''armless lizards running around at some point''
1) 'Running' around, without legs? LOL.
2) There still are. Slow-worms. Look em up.
- Or did you mean with 2 legs but no arms?
I really hope someone preferably (Peter Jackson) makes a movie based in the first age and the rise and fall of morgoth and his great empire. Would be very interesting to see on the big screen
Unfortunately that would require movie rights to the silmarillion which are unobtainable AFAIK.
AFAIK means?
@@brightlord-ov7cm as far as I know
@@brightlord-ov7cm As Far As I Know, IIRC
@@muhammadnoumanpanhwar7969 ty, I didn't know what that meant and I had seen it here and there.
Is there a filter on your voice mr narrator or are you AI
I’d rather hear a bad microphone audio than ai voices but the story is great
Trolls were not made out of ents, that Orcs were corrupted Elves were an earlier idea from Tolkien that he rejected in his later years. So following that, Orcs and Trolls were made as a mockery of Elves and Ents, thus Dragons could be made a mockery of Eagles but have no Eagle in them.
That said, Dragons make for a poor mockery of Eagles, so i wholeheartedly dislike that idea. We were never meant to know how Morgoth made dragons, and it probably involved a process far more complicated than taking one creature and puring evil magic into it until it changed into something else. I expect a mix of a lot of creatures, known and unknown as well as spirits.
Dragons were all evil, from their voices came spells, curses and magic. They had an affinity with fire, which tracks considering where they were first bred. The first dragon also had a slimy, pale and sickly underside, if that does not make you go "nameless thing" then what does?
That they were made with spirits and nameless things, as well as other more mundane animals seems to be the most likey answer. The nameless things were a myriad of creatures, the watcher in the water is most likely a nameless thing, as it emerged from subterranian waters below the misty mountains into the pond that formed outside the gate of moria. But we are also told that other nameless things burrow through the rock beneath the mountains, a poor fit for a creature such as the watcher who lived in water, hinting that there are many kinds of them, after all, they are known as nameless thing(s).
I wonder if Rhun or Harad had Alligators?
But, for me, a huge misconception is that Yavanna couldn´t create life. She did created most of the living creatures in Middle Earth: Plants, Animals and Insects. That they didn´t posesed humanoid form is another thing. BUT SHE CREATED LIFE WITHOUT ERU ILUVATAR
Yeah but she didn’t make tree ents, humans, elves, dwarves or anything else that works on two legs and talks that came from eru
iirc, the Silmarillion says Eru placed the Eternal Flame in the heart of Ea to create in reality the vision made by the Ainur during their Great Music directed by Eru.
The flame was an outward manifestation of Eru's creative power, and allowed the Ainur who lived in Ea to shape the world according to the vision of the Music.
Fell beasts might be diminished dragons, or an attempt to recreate them by Sauron.
The description of the fell beasts makes them seem like giant vultures, twisted and made more hideous by Sauron. Just as there are giant eagles, why couldn't there be giant vultures? Native to arid climate of Harad, of which Tolkien's writings scarely touch?
I don't see any hints at all that they are related to dragons, and several that they are not.
I think they're likely an attempt to get something similar by Sauron, but he was still in the process of experimentation at the time of the War of the Ring and had less magic to work with, explaining why they're quite a bit weaker and less intelligent.
Maybe Sauron knew about Nameless things in general, especially those that dwelt in Angband. He may just not have known about which exactly of them lived under Misty Mountains.
No, it's specifically stated even Sauron did not know of them.
@@Vikingr4Jesus5919 To be fair, that's just what Gandalf assumes of Sauron. It's not like he has an encyclopedia of 'things my old coworker may or may not know'.
@@Vikingr4Jesus5919 Morgoth may also just not have told Sauron.
A parallel: I love Resident Evil and my favorite character is Hunk; hardly anything is know about him. The dude's a badass. As much as I want to know about his backstory, the less I want to because it will take away from his mystery because that's what makes the character so great. That being said, I even thought the nameless things, which shouldn't be completely out of question. Maybe Tolkien knew but never wrote it or he never got to it and just speculated and debated with himself OR just left it out in the open for us to decide
You're very much right about that, Tolkien is said to have deliberately put in nuggets of lore and then not elaborate upon them, calling them islands on the distant horizon full of mystery, of which if someone explored, they would lose their figurative enchantment.
Just so beautifully wrought.
Personally I believe the Fell Beasts the Nazgul ride are the mockery of the Great Eagles. x'D They are bird-like with foul odors.
Is it possible that the discord caused by Melkor during the previous Music of the Ainur created the Glaurung? Maybe he found Glaurung the same way he found Ungoliant, but unlike Ungoliant, Glaurung was more controllable and Melkor ordered him to take the form of a dragon.
I have a question I like this channel I love your guys' videos but I have to ask using artificial intelligence voice?
You know, a common vulnerability of living things is a sword hacking through your neck!
Of course the elephant in the room (or in this case, the dragon) is that if Tolkien hadn't worked out this particular detail in his mind, then there is no answer because all of this came out of Tolkien's head. If in this case, Tolkien never bothered to work out what the origin of the dragons were, then they're essentially irreducible in that sense. There is no origin. They're just there. There's a compartment in my brain that totally enjoys these videos and completely suspends disbelief, but every once in a while I wake up for a moment and realize the silliness of it all. Tolkien was a literal genius imo, but he was only a man. There's no way he could thought of every nuance and detail of the backstory of MIddle Earth. All that being said, I still enjoy these videos although I find it perplexing as to why I do enjoy them so much.
Something else made at least Glaurung unique: he could use magic. He froze Turin in place, wiped and restored Nienor's memory, created mist.
Dragons are easily offended by being called "worm." I always assumed it was because they originated from worm-like creatures.
My thougts always have been dragons are mockeries of eagles (or more aeral units to offset Manwae's eagles) where as foul beast of Sauron were the dragon kin that were domesticated.
Im relatively certain that it is told that if a Maiar inhabits a physical form for long enough, and partakes of the world, they can no longer choose to take another form, and gain the ability to breed. Like if a Maiar chooses to become a great and powerful Orc, which was done, they eventually get stuck as that Orc and basically just become an Orc, breeding ability and all. So dragons very well good be Maiar if that is the case, stuck in the chosen form, becoming essentially a new species of creature.
"Hello adventurer! Can you find the hidden lore?"
The fact that Sauron never learns about the nameless things does not rule out their possibility of being part of how dragons were created.
That would assume that Sauron always knew anything Melkor knew. Which is rarely the case in stores where there is a hierarchy of villains. Sauron had his department, just as Gothmog had his. We also know that not all of Utumno was destroyed. Those untouched depths could be where Melkor started working on dragons and Sauron wouldn’t have been involved. Sauron certainly would have eventually known about Glaurung, but that doesn’t mean Sauron would know how Glaurung came to be.
Melkor could have known of the nameless things and never told Sauron.
Perhaps Melkor discovered that giant eagles had dinosaur heritage and decided he could definitely work with that? Though I don't think evolution is a thing in Middle Earth so I don't know if he could zap them with his equivalent of a devo gun from the Mario Brothers movie.
Why does it have to be a single beats for origin? Melkor could have taken lizards and snakes and made a worm, then later added eagles to get flight. Combine it all with some magic from Fire spirits and boom, Dragons.
Yeah, I think this is the most likely origin. If in the 3rd age Saruman was able to combine orcs and humans to make Uruk-hai, I think it's reasonable that Morgoth would have been able to combine a bunch of things to make dragons, altering the ratios and adding ingredients to improve upon them over the years.
Morgoth can create. All sentient beings in ME can create. What only Iluvatar can create LIFE that has a free will (sentience) of its own. Iow a soul (Secret Fire/Flame Imperishable)
This is seen in the Silmarillion when Aule in his haste to see the awakening of the Elves tries to create beings to teach. Aules work acted like puppets. The only did what he wanted..and only acted. Like the were alive when he was paying attention to them.
Eru visited him. After realizing that this had come from a good place, Eru rewarded Aule by granting life to his creation….The dwarves.
Melkor however could twist and corrupt…change…life that had already been created. So Melkor could take lizards and turn them into dragons. He had that kind of power. He resented that he couldn’t create life…or create a universe according to his own will and design.
It's been a while since I've read the Silmarillion, never mind the History of Middle Earth, but I vaguely recall that in the Last Battle at the end of the First Age the herald of Manwe was his son as well.
In early drafts Eonwe was the son of Manwe, but the idea of the children of the Valar disappeared in the 1950s.
The theory of fire spirits/fire Maiar embodying a warped creation of eagle is probably the step closest to what really would've taken place.
I'd like to suggest that Morgoth also used bats. Sauron had a close ally, a female Vampire Bat Thuringwethil, and turned himself into a bat shape to escape Huan. It is not unthinkable that, bats and vampires being an existing creature in Tolkien's world, Morgoth combined the mighty bodies of the Eagles and parts of bats to create these dragonic bodies that then Maiar spirits inhabited.
It explains their cunning (Maiar spirits are a lower but still angelic order), their physical appearance, and their dreadful potential.
It's also important to note that in the Silmarillion it's explained how Morgoth only later realized his Orc armies unaided were no match for the Eldar armies. I reckon that was a subtle hint to state when Morgoth began considering the creation of Dragons, as it was during the Siege of Angband that Glaurung, albeit prematurely, charged forth. Why does this matter? Because by this time all other plot points - the creatures of the bats, Maiar spirits, Great Eagles, and Morgoth's ability to manipulate what exists - are already put in place.
It remains a theory but is the best thing so far. Feel free to share your thoughts on my additional theory regarding the bats.
The first dragons of middle earth were flightless though.
considering that Draugluin was the father of werewolves and possibly an ancestor of Charcharoth, I would say that Maiar can reproduce, at least if they are in a physical body. They just don't give rise to new Maiar that way.
I would guess because morgoth influenced carcoroth’s growth by hand feeding him then he might’ve found a huge serpent/reptile and twisted it into what became glaurong and hand fed him then imbued his own magic into him and became a dragon of sorts
I've always wondered if the base materials for dragons and the the fell beasts might have been rare remnants of dinosaurs that somehow escaped the extinction episode, this being before the awakening of the first born.
Fell beasts' may have been Sauron's best approximation of dragons.
This feels like an AI generation. The voice is overused.
i think they had 4 very different grand parents. i think fire spirits are in there, though i remember ice dragons as a thing, but i may be wrong. melko had control over fire and ice at the start too. i think he had a choice of all the dinosaurs and i cant choose which ones it could be, but the eagles are possibly in there too, because of the mocking nature
I think its more likely that the Fellbeasts are a mockery of the Eagles in terms of size and anatomy
Cool comcept but the uncanny valley of the the AI voice is... Unsettling.
Melkor took a gecko and fire spirit and smooshed them together
... and saved a lot on fire insurance
Glaurung was not merely the first dragon. He was also called the Father of Dragons. This could, of course, be a metaphorical allusion to his position as the first dragon, but what if it's literal?
What if Glaurung fathered all of Morgoth's other dragons, including Ancalagon the Black? That leaves us with two slightly lesser questions to answer : whence came Glaurung? and who or what were the mothers of the dragons?
I think we already know who the Mother of Dragons is. Lol
Something like a crocodile and Fire Spirits.
The giant Eagles were definitely mixed or corrupted into dragons
Creating a flightless dragon out of Great Eagles further mocks the Eagles- and adds one more opposite characteristic. Taking this under consideration, I think creating dragons out of the Great Eagles is more plausible than creating them from fallen beasts; as those are most probably only animals, plus still they are evil, so offending them would be impossible.
My personal theory about dragons in middle earth is they are great serpents twisted by morgoth in a more the eagle and the viper style tale but that’s just my theory
Fellbeasts are in the new return to moria game and deal with some of this.
You keep mentioning the dragons connection to fire. But not all dragons in Tolkien's work breathed fire......
Figure that the wyverns the 9 ride are perversions of the eagles considering the similar size.
I would have imagined that Melkor took ravens or crows and twisted them in mockery of the great eagles of Manwe. Perhaps even snakes were fused with some of the dark maiar that joined him.
I think snakes are a likely ingredient, especially for the early wingless dragons.
I think Sauron was inspired by Loki and found a way to reproduce.. the werewolves and dragons are his offspring
Well perhaps Melkor used man as a test subject to release as the old ones say the beast within.
I know there’s no evidence to support this at all but I like the idea of dragons being somehow derived from the dwarves lust for gold. Morgoth could have spent a long time manipulating that specific trait and adapting it into a creature that embodies it. Kind of like how a dwarf becomes a dragon in God of War.
it is the other way around dwarves get their greedfor gold from dragons that's why they call it the dragon sickness
It may be non-canon, but in shadow of war 2017 game it is stted that fire drakes are hybrids of fellbeasts and dragon. So, they could be fell-beats (wyvern) based, but this is late creation (Wb games), not original source material.
Tolkien was in some good shit to understand the universe and make a fantasy story of it. Mimicking truth.
The eagles idea is, excuse my honest brutality, utterly stupid. Saying that the intelligence part makes it more likely and instantly forgetting the malevolent spirit dragons had with ridiculously powerful abilities, and forgetting about merging things with spirits that quickly? Yeah, dumb. Foregoing in world explanations the real fact is, just like the gates of Moria, Tolkien done goofed. Forgotten the "not able to create life" bit (that wasn't there at the start but he added it because of his own religious beliefs) and simply made him create them. Forgoing that real life bit, ANY reptile, fused with strong evil spirits, molded and strengthened by Melkor's own hands and power is the answer.
Or maybe, just maybe, hear me out... Tolkien wanted dragons so he just wrote them in and didn't think more about it.
The entire Valar pantheon is essentially a pagan one. So, essentially Morgoth could actually create.
As essentially birds are Manwe s creation, dwarves are aules
Trees and ents Yavana's and so on
Im sure he bred and evolved similiar creatures with selective breeding abd magical rituals over centuries. Perhaps even using his own essence.
I allways thought that the Felbeasts are a form of maulformt Dragons.....
I suspect he used the silmarils to create them
He could have used gecko lizards for all know.
you are mistaken.
They can create life from scratch, as an example yavanna created the Ent, the plants and animals, manwe the eagles, aule created instead mountains, the TREES.
it was melkor and melkor alone that could not create anything that had life because of his rebellion during the music. Aule was reprimanded for creating the dwarves beacuse he created them BEFORE the sons of iluvatar awoken. And also the dwarves did not shift back to stone where did you read that, they cowered in fear at aule rising his hammer at them, showing free will
Originally, the Dwarves had no will but Aule's. They could do nothing without him. Iluvatar was aware that Aule had created the Dwarves in spite of his will and busted him. Aule repented of his hubris, so Iluvatar showed mercy on him and granted the Dwarves full sentience. So when Aule was going to destroy them, they showed fear, as you say, demonstrating their newly acquired free will. But the Dwarves were put into a deep sleep till after Elves and Men had arrived according to Iluvatar's plan.
@@jrpipik Eru gave the dwarves his blessing AFTER he ordered Aule to destroy them and not before.
@@PuOop-j9l Eru never orders Aule to destroy the Dwarves. Reread the chapter.
@@jrpipik yes you are right, he does it on his own. still, no blessing yet.
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Aren't there elves with a Maiar ancestor?
Edit: Never mind. You mentioned it.
Simple.... A Dinosaur.
Boo another AI voice
I do not know if you're using AI to transcribe your script into audio, or if you are deliberately or unintentionally mispronouncing things. I do like your content and I have promoted you on x, but even in this video alone you mispronounced Ancalagon I enjoy your content and I have subscribed, but if you are in fact recording this with your own voice, you should look into how these things are pronounced
Molten lava and mythril perhaps?🤷♀️
He probably stole eggs from other planet or reality.
we know that maiar, elves, and humans can al interbreed. this means balrogs can breed with orcs, or even great beasts. glaurung was very smart, devious. balrog crossed with crawling dragon for flyin-fire breathing dragon many combinations possible
Dinosaurs. The reference to the origin of the fell beasts implies pteranodons.
I would imagine he did to dinosaurs what he did to charcaroth, twist and torment and mar and pour his own evil and malice into it. The Silmarillion says he spends his power to make such things, and they diminish him. I would guess he poured more of himself into the dragons than in any other corruption. IIRC, it is after the first appearance of Glaurung that Morgoth is wounded by Fingolfin, and that the wounds do not heal. Like with Sauron and the forging of the One Ring, Morgoth poured too much of himself into the dragons. Clever, cruel, greedy, powerful, and overthrown due to their arrogance and folly, truly their father’s sons.
Any chance of not using AI for narration?
I thought Valar can create life but only if they use their own portion of the Secret Fire?
Manwe created his sentient eagles
Yavana created her sentient Ents
Aule created his sentient dwarves
Melkor should be able to create beings of his own at the expense of his own self/power
2points:
1. JRRT is not the final authority on the LOTR. He was constantly retconning the world to the point the even he didn’t know what was true.
2. There’s a simpler explanation. The Ainulindalë is false. Melkor is Eru Illuvatar. The Valar overthrew him and he was pissed about it. I challenge anyone to read Silmarillion with that in mind. Once you see it you cannot unsee it.
Rubbish, its essentially a pagan world
Could they have been made from humans?
Where does it say ANYWHERE that the Valar and Maiar were infertile?
sauron created werewoles from melkors wolfs
No, it was Melkor who created Draugluin the first of the werewolves, followed by Sauron.
Sauron imprisoned evil spirits in wolves, we didn’t create werewolves
I wonder if dragons in middle earth are the same as balrogs
Oh ok😂
Early dragons look very much snake-like. Tolkien was a devout christian, so... Could Morgoth make a normal snake into a dragon ? How then make it sprout wings and legs ? Anyway, even Smaug is called worm, so I think snakes are still the basis of Tolkien's dragons.
I believe illuvator created dragons, and melkor was strong enough to tamed them and bred them
Fell beast.. cross of bat and snake.
Dragons.. cross of fire wyrm and eagle.
i truly thing it was something in the north that we have not seen! Would be some sort of lizard My thoughts because he created the were wovles as u said but he used a wolf and a spirit and it still was a wolf just could walk on 2 legs or was fowl and more monsterer i dunno?