Morgoth (chopped up and drifting in the Endless Void): "Okay, okay, don't panic, Morgy, Sauron knows the plan, we talked about it, he's gonna do the ring thing, he's gonna take over, he's gonna fish me out of this place-" Sauron (bodiless) " Hey." Morgoth: ".....fuuuccckkkkkkkkk...."
@@kaievoke I would of imagined that Morgoth would of been like Gordon Ramsay "You Fucking Donkey why would you put so much of your essence into a ring for it to be destroyed by a hobbit and a foul looking creature with Multiple personalities!"
A fitting followup to the idea of "Evil destroying itself", the reason Sauron lost in the first place (Gollum and Frodo fighting over the Ring). Whatever remains of Sauron is stuck in a forever war with itself. Nothing left to hate but himself.
As a former Parking Warden I have to disagree. I’m just enforcing the law created by the people you voted for. I took no joy in writing a ticket, and let everyone off that I could.
Those artworks, the constant deep dark ambient melody in the background, the narration puts you into the story as if you are a part of it. Massive. Well done.
Morgoth do this to Hurin. With his power he seated Hurin in stone throne, and show him how his children and his dynasty fall by his manipulation and after that he let him go. Thats how fall of gondolin start
@@papalaz4444244 fan? fiction? One has to be a fan capable of fiction to produce that. The showrunners have no respect for Tolkien's work... The Shadow that bred them can only mock.
A good ending for Sauron would be to lose his malice and his will to dominate all life, as he poured that into the ring and it would be destroyed together with the ring. This would make Sauron probably still vengeful for some time, but he would find himself unable to focus on his old character traits and would have to get used to the existence without them.
@pavelslama5543 His malice IS him! His personality, if changed, would be as if he developed amnesia, he would not be himself anymore. It is identical to Satan not being satanic! He would not be him anymore. They are who they are because they HAVE to be who they are. It is the degree of your ego that will or will not allow you to change, and their ego would most definitely NEVER allow that, with or without power. IMHO.
The character is fictional.. the idea is not. A fictional personification of humanities darkest aspects, the will to dominate, destroy, control, and bend reality to your will...
What i found fascinating and also kinda sad and a bit terrifying in the book was when Saruman is killed by Grima. In the book the hobbits see his spirit exit the lifeless body in the form of almost a cloud of dust and begin looking towards the west (valinor) but a gust a wind blows in from that direction and sends the spirit off eastward essentially banishing him from ever returning to the west. Its interesting to me because it almost seems that his spirit was looking for forgiveness or passage but because of his pure bitterness and failure to uphold his task as a member of the Istari he was ultimately banished from Valinor by the Ainur or maybe by Eru himself
@@MrChickennugget360 , nope! The souls of humans don't go to the Halls of Mandos! Tolkien said explicitly that Eru Illuvatar's gift to humans was that they alone were not bound to the world which llluvatar had created. They can leave after they died, while the elves will go to Mandos and after they recuperated for some time they will get a new body and make a fresh start. The Valar on the other hand, do not die at all. That's why not even Illuvatar could kill Morgoth. He could only send him into the corner for naughty immortals - the void! Sauron and Saruman however were Maia, and their physical bodies could die, and theoretically they should have gone to Mandos. But it’s apparently possible that very evil beings like Saruman and Sauron are not allowed to go to Mandos. I actually wonder if there is some kind of plot hole in Tolkien's system. He never said explicitly that very evil Maia can be banned from entering Mandos's Halls.
He holds a podcast, complaining that he lost the war, due to mismanagement from some of his orcs, and blames the Witch King for being vague with the prophecy. He would lose subscribers, when a leaked audio clip was revealed of him making inappropriate comments to an elf who was only 99 at the time. Things didn't get better when Gandalf and Galadriel decided to do a video call with him on Twitch, to discuss this. He would constantly dodge the questions, and say that it's just the haters trying to ruin his reputation. His Patreon is still up, but it isn't as large as it used to be during the War of the Ring. Some centuries later, the Witch King would upload video exposing Sauron for being miserable to work with and for a number of scummy practices. One of the most shocking being that one of the Nazgul would often make sexual remarks towards elves who were under a 100 years old. The Witch King said Sauron knew, but did nothing about it, especially in a space where they often took elves to be turned into orcs. Several Uruk Hai would further contact the Witch King, revealing that they were extremely uncomfortable with this Nazgul present, when they were still elves and not yet twisted by Morgul's black magic. Golum tried to defend he Sauron, but would later admit that the One Ring's effects on him were a form of grooming.
Absolutely. You read my mind.that said,You only have to have be accused of any one of these accusations and it becomes so. So in that regard he is F#@^D!
Unironically, this is pretty much 99.9% of all famous people, RUclipsrs or not. Some of these modern children of Men could give Morgoth a run for his money in terms of being evil.
Man.. you've put this whole franchise into a beautiful perspective for me. Because at the end of the trilogy, the only thing I wondered was: "what happened to Sauron after all this?"
What kinda mind-warping dope are you snorting? That's bullshit, if anything, Sauron and Morgoth are planning a way of escaping The Void or Place of Damnation and... well it's in the comment I left at the top today as of September 1st at around 6:20ish PM EDT(Eastern Daylight Time) 2024 regarding either Sauron merging with Morgoth or vice-versa to become one whole entity again more powerful than their former spiritual & physical selves!
Sauron is still around. He cannot affect the physical world in any way so he does not even have the power of a poltergeist. However, he can talk to all living things and encourage their existing malice. Unseen, he is having great effect on many people around the world right now.
Sauron being a malignant spectre gnawing at itself without the best part of himself from the beginning from which all his strength came must be such a curse indeed... Forever as time went on... All his memory gets older and older and that time that he once was the dark lord is gone. To have lost the war for middle earth must impress upon him forever like a doom worse than death.
particularly to think that a simple Hobbit beat him. That would have cut deepest. No great hero- no elf army or force from the west. not Gondor or Gandalf. A fucking Hobbit. I'm Sauron the greatest smith of Middle-earth, the most powerful force of the third age how am a defeated? Fucking Chuck Norris.
@@MrChickennugget360 Tolkien advised that it was eru himself that destroyed the ring by giving gollum a "push" so to speak. in letter 192 he says Frodo deserved all honour because he spent every drop of his power of will and body, and that was just sufficient to bring him to the destined point, and no further. Few others, possibly no others of his time, would have got so far. The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named' (as one critic has said). Of course, I doubt Sauron would have known this.
This, and some Atlantis mixed in. I mean, PRECISELY this. Silmarillion and LoTR are Tolkien's re-imagining of ancient mythology. The stuff that is only briefly hinted at in the part of the Biblical Genesis narrative between Eden (Valinor) and the Flood (Nûmenor) - "briefly hinted at", in the Tolkien framework, because it preceded the Age of Humans and this is largely ignored as irrelevant by the human-centered Biblical narrative. It's not CS Lewis grade Christian, but still Christian in background: "Sons of God [...] the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown" - or as they are known in Tolkinese: elves...
@willietorben560 Sauron is a fallen angel, the Miaiar are like angels and if you read the book of Enoch and some of Gensis these beings showed men technology and shit
If you know your Bible, this is basically a fantasy reimagining of that. Fallen angels, the fall of Lucifer, nephilime, and ultimately the final battle. That's why the theory he would come back at the end of days is highly probable as in the end Satan (having been bound by the return of Jesus for 1000 year reign) is released to bring the world to fight against God (in the valley of magedo, aka Armageddon ) and that's where he is ultimately banished to the lake of fire forever.
Hold on a second. This makes me wonder... Sauron's ring is not so much a ring of power but a ring of defeat mitigation. In RPG terms, imagine a game in which everytime you die your stats are reset to 1 when you respawn and you have to grind again or wait and slowly recover the stats back through resting. So then, in order to mitigate this you forge a ring and you transfer 60% of all your stats when you're the most powerful you've been. That means when you die again you will reset back to 1 but put the ring back on and you get all those stats you had stored in the ring previously. Allowing to bypass a lot of penalty from defeat
Imo it’s more like the journal in project zomboid where, like your description, when you read it you immediately get skill exp boosts and they also return to the same level during your peak. But once it’s gone you’re forever spectating the other players on the server as a ghost that can send an incoherent message once a day to the chat that will be ignored because it’s rolling by so fast.
Yes but if u played world of Warcraft when u die your body is destroyed and u left only with you soul that has 1 health and u can do nothing its similar to Sauron he may have little more than this but its something of this sort
@@AxleTrade I REALLY love the idea of Sauron being reduced to the level of trying to troll web forums. Basically he goes from lord of darkness to Redit moderator.
A surprisingly good video. I expected the usual "he lost his ability to interact with and affect the world", but this was a very indepth and thoughtful analysis
I always imagined a far future middle earth with high science and old tales of elves and dwarves. Then scientists find something in a volcanic region of the state of Gondor....
@@VitiateTheImmortalI dunno.. there's no gay things in it🤷🏻♂️ I was so hoping to see sexy sauron get it on with elrond in a steamy gay passion filled scene. and it needs WAY more people of color in it...preferably elves of latino origin and more African American people. I do like the fact that we can FINALLY sympathize with the Orcs and Goblins. 🤔perhaps they're meant to represent undocumented immigrants and other marginalized communities. if so...thst is SO sstunning and brave❤
I commend you for not only your reading of the texts in the HoME series, but more importantly your solid COMPRESSION of them. Well done indeed. This video is what is getting me to subscribe. If it's quality is representative of all your content, I'm only sad I didn't find the channel sooner. ❤
@@HowlinWilf13 No, try dick Cheney or rumsfeld. there was a cartoon about the four horseman of the apocalypse. the other two were gw bush and wolfowitz
I first read The Hobbit back in 1990, and LotR around 1992. Thank you, and the rest of the Tolkien Net, for reigniting my love for this franchise whether it be Tolkien's own work or Peter Jackson's brilliant (though flawed, but brilliant none the less) interpretation of it. Y'all have given me back something I had forgotten about.
@Realms Unravelled - Just wow!! I'm a huge LOTR fan and know the common law well, but there were elements of your video that made the final things click into place for me! For example, when you clarified that Sauron without the ring is not in fact diminished, so long as somebody of significant enough will power / strength does not wear the ring, but that he is instead elevated beyond previous powers were he to ever regain the ring. This makes everything fit into place now and explains a lot. Amazing video and obviously instant sub - can't wait to watch more of your videos. Thank you !!! ps your artwork - especially the transition from Sauron's spirit to his fading into the wind effect were also great to see.
When he was defeated, he lost even more of his soul. He's currently cold-calling people trying to sell them extended warranties on their recent electronic purchases.
It’s explicitly explained in the books lol. He’s reduced to a harmless, shapeless spirit. Doomed to wander the world as an impotent nothing, never again able to take physical form.
Where did this channel come from? It’s amazing; respectful of the source material, informative and sophisticated and the narrators voice is just *chefs kiss*
Thing is, once Sauron is diminished to a spirit of malice without the ability to physically affect the world, any malicious cult can lay claim to representing him. His whole existence has been reduced to an idea, based on what people think they know about past events.
The seeds of Morgoths malice always remain in Arda and will forever bring fruit for those who seek and nurture them. Cult worship and kids playing at orc mischief are evil enough to harm whether they forgot about Sauron in only 1 generation or not.
This was fantastic! At the end there I was, for a very brief moment, able to forget that the Legendarium is fiction, and I truly felt like that history was our history and I had just been listening to a historian explain the true way of things. It was a pleasure. Thank you.
Sauron also took the form of a man named Imlach in the first age when the very first houses of Men began to settle in Beleriand. Imlach gave a powerful speech against going to war with the Orcs in the North and dissuaded most of his house from helping the Elves and other houses of Men. The real Imlach claims to have never made this speech, but his own son Amlach eventually betrayed Elves and Men and helped fight for Morgoth later on. It is not stated specifically that Sauron was the one to take his form as an imposter, but Sauron is the only being that could have done this, and swayed so many with only one speech.
Great video - it also brings to mind the demise of Saruman (a fellow Maiar), …”about the body of Saruman a grey mist gathered, and rising slowly to a great height like smoke from fire, as a pale shrouded figure it loomed over the hill. For a moment it wavered, looking to the West; but out of the west came a cold wind, and it bent away, and with a sigh dissolved into nothing.”
Excellent video! Only one small remark: at the end of the Third Age, what "killed" Sauron (i.e irretrievably damaged his body ) was not the destruction of the One Ring, it was instead the collapse of Barad-Dur that immediately followed.
@@stefanol7814, I am not sure that this is correct. Do you have a source which says that Sauron's physical body was killed by his dark tower? I am not snarky but just interested.
@@sabineb.5616 I'm rather certain of having read this, totally unable to recall the exact reference now. Maybe one of Tolkien's letters or something in History of ME vol 10?
Nope, that would be Korshei's needle. But horcruxesprobably take inspiration from the 1💍 with them having a corrupting influence. Something Korshei's needle doesn't have AFAIK.
Considering Tolkien started writing about events in the fourth age (later scraped), lingering darkness, I suppose he meant to revive Sauron's spirit. I wish he wrote more and continued the story.
The only reason for a constant supply of souls of insanely simple and stupid beings is food. Eru intervened because Melky and S boy were screwing up the harvest
@@Enerdhil , yes, unlike elves and maias, humans don't get reincarnated. They can leave this world forever after death. Illuvatar considered this a gift - but unfortunately many humans don't see it that way...
The unexpected link to real world paranormal activity really hit me off guard. But then again I did grow up with things going bump in the dark and I also adore LOTR. So yeah, great video. A nice palatte cleanser after I just watched someone else talk about Rings of Power.
My own head cannon has always been that Sauron lost the ability to manifest himself in any physical way. He exists in Middle Earth, barely coherent, nearly insensate, lingering forever in quasi unconsciousness.
I don’t think Sauron is the best villain ever, but he certainly is one of the most unique ones. When you learn his whole story he becomes such an interesting topic to talk about. He combines understandable motivations and primordial horror
You have to always remember when tolkien wrote this. Villians fantasy? We had nothing like that apart from couple tales. Its quite something and he was the man who made that genre come alive.
@@Phantasia_Workshop oh, definitely. No movie will ever top what my imagination did reading the Silmarillion several times. But I would still love to see what my imagination came up with on a big screen. It won't ever happen, I know, but a person can dream.
Sauron lives on as a powerless evil fart cloud. Yet though he strives mighty to dealt it no one in Middle Earth ever again smelt it. Mainly because Tolkien never wrote Return of the Shadow.
The Numenorian Soliers who followed their King into the undying lands, but werent actually evil but just following orders, entrapped in earth for eternity until the last day: "Man this blows. ..."
Was "King of Kings" vainglorious though? Was it really? Or was it all part of the plan to allow Sauron to get close to Ar-Pharazôn so he could poison him against the Valar? Seems much more likely to be the latter to me.
"King of Men" and "Lord of the World" are two other titles Sauron gave to himself. I think he was "vainglorious" with the titles because he did not really know how powerful the Numenorians were until they came knocking on his door at Barad-dür.
well spotted. Sauron doesn't want to be 'seen' as king of kings, he just wants to be the king of kings; it was psy ops to provoke ar phaeazon to war and then beguile him with skill and bribe him with esoteric power that would help him against the elves he had a cultural rivalry with. Sauron spends lives for his own advancement so the armies were an easy waste, because he can always rely on the vast hordes of orcs he has under his disposal to enforce his will.
It's worth noting that there's a Battle of Armageddon analogue that's prophesied in the Silmarillion. In "Dagor Dagorath" Morgoth is able to escape from the Void and wreaks havoc before making one last stand against the Valar. It's unclear whether Sauron is able to rejoin his old master for this final battle, but it certainly can't be ruled out.
In a way Sauron kinda doomed himself when he created the "one ring to rule them all" because in doing so he poured all his power, cruelty, malice and will to dominate all life into an object which if you ask me is effectively a trap
Not really, the ring is like an insurance policy, or bank account so in case of defeat, he will return and his ring(savings account) will have 60% of his power immediately if he puts it on thus saving him time trying to regain power.. The problem for him though is finding the damn ring
@@calebh7902 It's a crutch. Real power doesn't do crutches. What is he without the ring? Couldn't even win a battle when his finger got cut off. That says it all.
@@christopherpekel6096 No. A crutch is still a crutch. Sauron didn't learn what nevana means. Sauron was too busy with the larger armies. He lost sight of the bigger picture. Common mistake. People tend to "jump ahead" like that. Observation is key, but Sauron looked too hard. Look vs see, hm? Sun Tzu gets it better. "Knoy thy enemy." "All is fair in love and war". Combine those two together. "Love thy enemy." Sauron will listen to reason if you have good logic. But he's always been just short of reaching what he wanted. It was just out of his reach.
I think it's been mentioned before, but why did the movie take out the most important part of the story? And that's what happened AFTER the ring was destroyed and all the hobbits rising up and now having the courage to fight against the evil that entered their home?
@@dynjarren5454 Bombadil had no real plot expansion and would have changed the tone of the films. Having said that it would have been interesting to see what Jackson would have done if he kept him in. But yeah not really needed.
@@OOL-UV2 I'm sure he did, But that is the excuse THEY all use! Because the real hero of any story is not the one who does everything by himself - Hollywood Cape Crap - but it is the man who inspires and gives courage to all other men to rise up and fight against the Evil of oppression. And that can never be allowed in Hollywood.
@@OOL-UV2 I'm sure he did! But that is the excuse (They) all use. Because the real hero in any story is not the man does everything by himself - Hollywood Cape C**p - but the man who inspires and gives courage to the rest of men to rise up and together fight the Evil of oppression. Hollywood will NEVER allow THAT message to EVER happen. That's why the most important part of the story was ripped out, and instead we got the most pathetic and *** ending ever.
5 years from now in cinema: "Somehow.. Sauron returned"
I Dare u.
Hell no. BTW Disney trilogy is not canon no matter how hard they try.
😂😂😂👌🏼. You forgot to add. As a boss bitch💪🏼
@@HelloMyFriend_Agreed 👍🏼
Do not tempt fate
He’s now Sauroff
lmao
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Take your like and get out 😂
Sauron. Saroff. Sauron. Sauroff.
Just turn the tower on and off again.
@@theseageek yes, only it’s spelled *Zaroff…*
Morgoth (chopped up and drifting in the Endless Void): "Okay, okay, don't panic, Morgy, Sauron knows the plan, we talked about it, he's gonna do the ring thing, he's gonna take over, he's gonna fish me out of this place-"
Sauron (bodiless) " Hey."
Morgoth: ".....fuuuccckkkkkkkkk...."
I had a good chuckle
Morgy had me dying
@@kaievoke I would of imagined that Morgoth would of been like Gordon Ramsay "You Fucking Donkey why would you put so much of your essence into a ring for it to be destroyed by a hobbit and a foul looking creature with Multiple personalities!"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@joeramirez5460
He would also say “If I had my hands and legs, I’d beat your ass into a pulp.”
He drifted off into the East, and now does cold calls selling solar panels
I saw him working at Starbucks. Can’t knock a guy for just trying to move forward
@@joelsullivan1248 that might have been one of the Nazgûl. Many of them work in retail as well. Very bitchy.
I thought it was extended car warranty calls 🤷
He's the one that keeps calling about your car's extended warranty.
@@Technotranceism Got dangit I literally came here to write that joke!
Tolkien wrote he was maimed and became a “spirit of malice” that would gnaw at itself in the dark, but never again could he recover or take shape.
stuck in the retconium with horus lupercal and malal lol
He got beat so bad, he became a cosmic fart
A fitting followup to the idea of "Evil destroying itself", the reason Sauron lost in the first place (Gollum and Frodo fighting over the Ring). Whatever remains of Sauron is stuck in a forever war with itself. Nothing left to hate but himself.
How do you know? Where is everyone getting all this information?
Secret achieves
There is a little piece of Sauron in every parking meter warden.
Morgoth actually 😅
As a former Parking Warden I have to disagree. I’m just enforcing the law created by the people you voted for. I took no joy in writing a ticket, and let everyone off that I could.
I'm currently double parked outside The Black Gate Of Mordor on a double yellow line. Will you let me off with that?
@@jonnobloggs1139 will you move it before I get there?
Those artworks, the constant deep dark ambient melody in the background,
the narration puts you into the story as if you are a part of it.
Massive.
Well done.
What are the artworks from? I cant figure it out readinf the video desc.
It is truly an astonishing experience!
Sauron would be happy with the way things are going today.
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Well duh. Who do you think started the Ukraine war? /s
😂😂😂😂
We don't have Sauron... We have Soros. Both are evil and just won't die!
Still far from his full picture lol .
I couldn’t imagine a worse fate than being a shrivelled husk, forced to watch the world pass you by, forever.
Allow me to introduce you to something called an Old Folks home.
Imagine being in an old folks home, but it lasts forever 👻
Morgoth do this to Hurin. With his power he seated Hurin in stone throne, and show him how his children and his dynasty fall by his manipulation and after that he let him go. Thats how fall of gondolin start
Joe Biden
How are you any different?
Holy shit, I'm starting to see why fans like this stuff so much.
For his eternal penance, he was sent back to relive the Rings of Power timeline
That is far too cruel. Condemned to fanfiction for eternity
No one should have to endure such terrors.
Season 2 somehow so much worse than 1. Unbelievable.
@@papalaz4444244 fan? fiction? One has to be a fan capable of fiction to produce that. The showrunners have no respect for Tolkien's work... The Shadow that bred them can only mock.
@@johns1625 I love the show
A good ending for Sauron would be to lose his malice and his will to dominate all life, as he poured that into the ring and it would be destroyed together with the ring. This would make Sauron probably still vengeful for some time, but he would find himself unable to focus on his old character traits and would have to get used to the existence without them.
He essentially was just there. No directed thought or malice. Until dagor dagorath
I had never thought of it like that 👍
@pavelslama5543 His malice IS him! His personality, if changed, would be as if he developed amnesia, he would not be himself anymore. It is identical to Satan not being satanic! He would not be him anymore. They are who they are because they HAVE to be who they are. It is the degree of your ego that will or will not allow you to change, and their ego would most definitely NEVER allow that, with or without power. IMHO.
He would pledge his life to find the Entwives
@@FirstLast_NbaExcellent post and very accurate.
I forgot for a second that Sauron is a fictional character and felt his dark presence. Excellent storytelling!
hug him
The character is fictional.. the idea is not. A fictional personification of humanities darkest aspects, the will to dominate, destroy, control, and bend reality to your will...
He's just a type of something real.
He is directly inspired by Satan, A very real fallen angel, who also claims to be King of the world.
@@MultiSpeedMetalan archetype you mean
What i found fascinating and also kinda sad and a bit terrifying in the book was when Saruman is killed by Grima. In the book the hobbits see his spirit exit the lifeless body in the form of almost a cloud of dust and begin looking towards the west (valinor) but a gust a wind blows in from that direction and sends the spirit off eastward essentially banishing him from ever returning to the west. Its interesting to me because it almost seems that his spirit was looking for forgiveness or passage but because of his pure bitterness and failure to uphold his task as a member of the Istari he was ultimately banished from Valinor by the Ainur or maybe by Eru himself
Well, not really, as in Tolkien lore, every soul travels towards west to halls of Mandos by default, and Valar more less denies that from him.
@@VonArmagedda not every soul. Just the souls of Men and Elves for certain.
@@MrChickennugget360 , nope! The souls of humans don't go to the Halls of Mandos! Tolkien said explicitly that Eru Illuvatar's gift to humans was that they alone were not bound to the world which llluvatar had created. They can leave after they died, while the elves will go to Mandos and after they recuperated for some time they will get a new body and make a fresh start. The Valar on the other hand, do not die at all. That's why not even Illuvatar could kill Morgoth. He could only send him into the corner for naughty immortals - the void! Sauron and Saruman however were Maia, and their physical bodies could die, and theoretically they should have gone to Mandos. But it’s apparently possible that very evil beings like Saruman and Sauron are not allowed to go to Mandos. I actually wonder if there is some kind of plot hole in Tolkien's system. He never said explicitly that very evil Maia can be banned from entering Mandos's Halls.
@@MrChickennugget360 what about dwarfs
@@theepictheory2219 I'm guessing it's like Men's heaven but everything is on a lower shelf.
I love that this feels like a documentary made in universe.
He holds a podcast, complaining that he lost the war, due to mismanagement from some of his orcs, and blames the Witch King for being vague with the prophecy. He would lose subscribers, when a leaked audio clip was revealed of him making inappropriate comments to an elf who was only 99 at the time. Things didn't get better when Gandalf and Galadriel decided to do a video call with him on Twitch, to discuss this. He would constantly dodge the questions, and say that it's just the haters trying to ruin his reputation. His Patreon is still up, but it isn't as large as it used to be during the War of the Ring.
Some centuries later, the Witch King would upload video exposing Sauron for being miserable to work with and for a number of scummy practices. One of the most shocking being that one of the Nazgul would often make sexual remarks towards elves who were under a 100 years old. The Witch King said Sauron knew, but did nothing about it, especially in a space where they often took elves to be turned into orcs. Several Uruk Hai would further contact the Witch King, revealing that they were extremely uncomfortable with this Nazgul present, when they were still elves and not yet twisted by Morgul's black magic. Golum tried to defend he Sauron, but would later admit that the One Ring's effects on him were a form of grooming.
I screenshotted and saved this.
Absolutely. You read my mind.that said,You only have to have be accused of any one of these accusations and it becomes so. So in that regard he is F#@^D!
This is not a parody, it is a blueprint.
Hahaha 😂😂😂
Unironically, this is pretty much 99.9% of all famous people, RUclipsrs or not. Some of these modern children of Men could give Morgoth a run for his money in terms of being evil.
Man.. you've put this whole franchise into a beautiful perspective for me. Because at the end of the trilogy, the only thing I wondered was: "what happened to Sauron after all this?"
Well in the movie he literally exploded
Franchise
You’ve inadvertently reduced the work to money
He is hanging out with his old master Melkor, testing each other with riddles, to see who gets to go hunt for the ‘Imperishable Flame 🔥’ of Illuvatar
naw more than likely he is stuck with Saruman that is more fitting since i know those too would not get along.
What kinda mind-warping dope are you snorting? That's bullshit, if anything, Sauron and Morgoth are planning a way of escaping The Void or Place of Damnation and... well it's in the comment I left at the top today as of September 1st at around 6:20ish PM EDT(Eastern Daylight Time) 2024 regarding either Sauron merging with Morgoth or vice-versa to become one whole entity again more powerful than their former spiritual & physical selves!
@@MrChickennugget360 It is also effectively canon, they being Maiar.
@@MrChickennugget360 Mandos probably has a special section just for broken Maiar.
Sauron is still around. He cannot affect the physical world in any way so he does not even have the power of a poltergeist. However, he can talk to all living things and encourage their existing malice. Unseen, he is having great effect on many people around the world right now.
I was wondering that, but he says no influence, so would influencing existing darkness count?
THIS IS A WORK OF FICTION(GENIUS FICTION might I add) PEOPLE!🤬
@@michaelsimkins7078 Every work of genius fiction is a mirror into our own reality and is worth discussing as such
He goes by Lucifer now
He’s influencing liberals to cut off their wieners
Sauron being a malignant spectre gnawing at itself without the best part of himself from the beginning from which all his strength came must be such a curse indeed... Forever as time went on... All his memory gets older and older and that time that he once was the dark lord is gone. To have lost the war for middle earth must impress upon him forever like a doom worse than death.
particularly to think that a simple Hobbit beat him. That would have cut deepest. No great hero- no elf army or force from the west. not Gondor or Gandalf. A fucking Hobbit. I'm Sauron the greatest smith of Middle-earth, the most powerful force of the third age how am a defeated? Fucking Chuck Norris.
@@MrChickennugget360 Tolkien advised that it was eru himself that destroyed the ring by giving gollum a "push" so to speak. in letter 192 he says Frodo deserved all honour because he spent every drop of his power of will and body, and that was just sufficient to bring him to the destined point, and no further. Few others, possibly no others of his time, would have got so far. The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named' (as one critic has said). Of course, I doubt Sauron would have known this.
This video immediately enthralled me just wow this channel never fails to impress, all the love and admiration of the Valar
The artwork in this one is fantastic. These just keep getting better and better!
Sauron existing today would explain a lot.
Sauron and his master Melkor are merely misunderstood
@@MycketTuffevery JoeBin supporter lol
@@MycketTuff Yeah, you sound like an average Griffith enjoyer.
It does actually
@@antonk.653FrFr
The destruction of Numenor is like a story from the Old Testament.
This, and some Atlantis mixed in. I mean, PRECISELY this. Silmarillion and LoTR are Tolkien's re-imagining of ancient mythology. The stuff that is only briefly hinted at in the part of the Biblical Genesis narrative between Eden (Valinor) and the Flood (Nûmenor) - "briefly hinted at", in the Tolkien framework, because it preceded the Age of Humans and this is largely ignored as irrelevant by the human-centered Biblical narrative. It's not CS Lewis grade Christian, but still Christian in background: "Sons of God [...] the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown" - or as they are known in Tolkinese: elves...
@willietorben560 Sauron is a fallen angel, the Miaiar are like angels and if you read the book of Enoch and some of Gensis these beings showed men technology and shit
Tolkien was deeply religious and many, many themes are taken straigh out of Christianity
If you know your Bible, this is basically a fantasy reimagining of that. Fallen angels, the fall of Lucifer, nephilime, and ultimately the final battle. That's why the theory he would come back at the end of days is highly probable as in the end Satan (having been bound by the return of Jesus for 1000 year reign) is released to bring the world to fight against God (in the valley of magedo, aka Armageddon ) and that's where he is ultimately banished to the lake of fire forever.
Hold on a second. This makes me wonder... Sauron's ring is not so much a ring of power but a ring of defeat mitigation.
In RPG terms, imagine a game in which everytime you die your stats are reset to 1 when you respawn and you have to grind again or wait and slowly recover the stats back through resting.
So then, in order to mitigate this you forge a ring and you transfer 60% of all your stats when you're the most powerful you've been. That means when you die again you will reset back to 1 but put the ring back on and you get all those stats you had stored in the ring previously. Allowing to bypass a lot of penalty from defeat
Imo it’s more like the journal in project zomboid where, like your description, when you read it you immediately get skill exp boosts and they also return to the same level during your peak.
But once it’s gone you’re forever spectating the other players on the server as a ghost that can send an incoherent message once a day to the chat that will be ignored because it’s rolling by so fast.
Well done
Yes but if u played world of Warcraft when u die your body is destroyed and u left only with you soul that has 1 health and u can do nothing its similar to Sauron he may have little more than this but its something of this sort
@@AxleTrade I REALLY love the idea of Sauron being reduced to the level of trying to troll web forums. Basically he goes from lord of darkness to Redit moderator.
@@MrChickennugget360 In fairness, the leap from power hungry war lord to power hungry reddit mod is a very small leap.
Off to the void with you. Void being the cold nothingness of space. No stars or anything else, just cold, dark, lifeless void.
The void is the absence of God, where the lake of fire/hell will be cast.
@@markg.7865 The void is just that. A void. Where nothing exist. Lake of fire and or hell would make the void no longer a void.
We don't even know what a void would look like. Even black is something but not a void
@@dretchlord873so black is infinite nothing ⁉️
Whaaaaaaaaat🥴🙄
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent, absolutely true! Tolkien didn’t include a Christian hell in his universe.
I do like that it's the perfect salomonic punishment. Sauron, the great meddler and manipulator, confined to forever powerlessly observe.
When you too nosy & can’t help it.
sentenced to spectator mode lol
A surprisingly good video. I expected the usual "he lost his ability to interact with and affect the world", but this was a very indepth and thoughtful analysis
He was reincarnated into our reality as a guy who tends the shoe rental counter at a bowling alley. Probably one in Toledo.
That fucking guy
The image of Sauron at the beginning of this video is the best "villain" form I've ever seen of him
Melkor and Sauron sitting there in a dark void... waiting. What could ever possibly go wrong? 😅
That's how we get the Dagor Dagorath.
I always imagined a far future middle earth with high science and old tales of elves and dwarves. Then scientists find something in a volcanic region of the state of Gondor....
@@darkhighwayman1757 "Let him cook." ;)
@@darkhighwayman1757
A Palantir perhaps?🤔
Some goth kid with a ouija board.... let's summon Sauron! haha
30:33 the actual video begins lowkey
The hero we needed!
Yep, I find the naming of this video pathetic - like the RUclipsr. His video literally should of been 5, 10 mins at best.
YOU ARE DOING ILÚVATAR'S WORK
that's what i need!
GET THIS MAN A SIMRIL!
He is at a retirement community in Florida called the villages. He's having fun and meeting new and exciting people.
Where he forged a mighty pineapple 🍍.
Happy ending
Sauron was confined to a room, and forced to watch Rings of Power on repeat.
Ill gladly join him. Best series
@@VitiateTheImmortalI dunno.. there's no gay things in it🤷🏻♂️
I was so hoping to see sexy sauron get it on with elrond in a steamy gay passion filled scene.
and it needs WAY more people of color in it...preferably elves of latino origin and more African American people.
I do like the fact that we can FINALLY sympathize with the Orcs and Goblins.
🤔perhaps they're meant to represent undocumented immigrants and other marginalized communities.
if so...thst is SO sstunning and brave❤
I mean, he’s the best part of it hahah.
Worst punishment ever.
@@zeezerzam 💀
I commend you for not only your reading of the texts in the HoME series, but more importantly your solid COMPRESSION of them. Well done indeed. This video is what is getting me to subscribe. If it's quality is representative of all your content, I'm only sad I didn't find the channel sooner. ❤
I like to imagine sauron managing a dmv somewhere on the east coast these days.
Sauron is waiting for Half-Live 3 to have an excuse to return.
I hear he would settle for Elder Scrols VI
We're gonna get Sauron's return before GTA VI
Poor Sauron. He was a good boy. He just got with the wrong crowd. He was misunderstood.
Im pretty sure big S's mom said that.
If disney ever took the IP this is the way they would tell the story
Free my boi he didn't do nothin'!
He is literally evil itself
@@sizar9003 He is Lawful Evil. Melkor was Chaotic Evil.
One of the most accurate and succinct explanations of Tolkeins' spirit world and the workings of essence I've heard.
This was outstanding! Bravo, Sir.
Thanks for the support it's much appreciated! Today happens to be my birthday (not my 111th thankfully) so it's the ideal day to receive a gift! 🎁😁
@@RealmsUnravelled Cheers.
I'm more interested in seeing a first age sillmarillian style movie or series that focuses on Morgoth and his reign over middle earth and his death.
Oh god how i wish Tolkien had lived longer so he could have finished his final trilogy and gave us the final battle
Imagine Sauron came back today, and the Orcs have access to modern military equipment and an air force.
Sounds like Russia.
erik prince
He's back and he invaded Ukraine. He's getting his ass kicked. Once again. 😁
@@HowlinWilf13 No, try dick Cheney or rumsfeld. there was a cartoon about the four horseman of the apocalypse. the other two were gw bush and wolfowitz
@@z1az285 No, the only one trying to steal another country's sovereign territory is Sauron putin.
I first read The Hobbit back in 1990, and LotR around 1992. Thank you, and the rest of the Tolkien Net, for reigniting my love for this franchise whether it be Tolkien's own work or Peter Jackson's brilliant (though flawed, but brilliant none the less) interpretation of it. Y'all have given me back something I had forgotten about.
@Realms Unravelled - Just wow!! I'm a huge LOTR fan and know the common law well, but there were elements of your video that made the final things click into place for me!
For example, when you clarified that Sauron without the ring is not in fact diminished, so long as somebody of significant enough will power / strength does not wear the ring, but that he is instead elevated beyond previous powers were he to ever regain the ring.
This makes everything fit into place now and explains a lot.
Amazing video and obviously instant sub - can't wait to watch more of your videos. Thank you !!! ps your artwork - especially the transition from Sauron's spirit to his fading into the wind effect were also great to see.
An "influence peddler," to quote from the movie "Constantine." A whisperer into our minds and souls. Some ignore the whispers. Some do not.
When he was defeated, he lost even more of his soul. He's currently cold-calling people trying to sell them extended warranties on their recent electronic purchases.
what audio track did you use around 3:20?
You’re darn right I’m clicking “like” and “subscribe”.
Your voice and accent are perfect and the content is awesome
Thanks for that last 3 minutes. I will now never be able to sleep again
It’s explicitly explained in the books lol. He’s reduced to a harmless, shapeless spirit. Doomed to wander the world as an impotent nothing, never again able to take physical form.
Which is super anti climatic. Literally ruins the whole thing for me.
@@gracefulhealer935 think about it from his perspective. Sounds horrifying.
Where did this channel come from? It’s amazing; respectful of the source material, informative and sophisticated and the narrators voice is just *chefs kiss*
In the barely started sequel to LOTR, "Return of the Shadow" ,it's possible the cult worshipped the ghost or idea of Sauron
If Sauron manipulated some people somehow they could start worshiping him which could restore some of his strength
Tolkien thankfully abandoned that idea
@@Phantasia_Workshop it would be scary lol
Thing is, once Sauron is diminished to a spirit of malice without the ability to physically affect the world, any malicious cult can lay claim to representing him. His whole existence has been reduced to an idea, based on what people think they know about past events.
The seeds of Morgoths malice always remain in Arda and will forever bring fruit for those who seek and nurture them. Cult worship and kids playing at orc mischief are evil enough to harm whether they forgot about Sauron in only 1 generation or not.
Great videos youˋre making, thanks.
Thank you! Your support is much appreciated 🙂👍
Those videos are so pleasant to listen, even as a non-native english speaker! Thank you so much for including subtitles!!
Straight up attenborough quality storytelling
Sauron would go on to found amazon and, once sufficently powerful enough, set to work trying to change mankind's knowledge of his history.
Narrator voice is perfect ❤
Focusing me. Sharping my mind and thoughts❤
This was fantastic! At the end there I was, for a very brief moment, able to forget that the Legendarium is fiction, and I truly felt like that history was our history and I had just been listening to a historian explain the true way of things. It was a pleasure. Thank you.
Sauron also took the form of a man named Imlach in the first age when the very first houses of Men began to settle in Beleriand. Imlach gave a powerful speech against going to war with the Orcs in the North and dissuaded most of his house from helping the Elves and other houses of Men. The real Imlach claims to have never made this speech, but his own son Amlach eventually betrayed Elves and Men and helped fight for Morgoth later on. It is not stated specifically that Sauron was the one to take his form as an imposter, but Sauron is the only being that could have done this, and swayed so many with only one speech.
Great channel! I also like the new narration voice
Sauron is now the creep that works the night shift at that PRECIOUS 7-11 you DREAD to use but yet are COMPELLED to go...
He’s waiting for an UBER and they keep cancelling his ride
Thanks for the channel
Wow thanks so much for your generous support! Much appreciated 🙂
The presentation of this is on another level! I wouldn't mind getting all those videos audios on CD with a really nice case to be honest.
Great video - it also brings to mind the demise of Saruman (a fellow Maiar), …”about the body of Saruman a grey mist gathered, and rising slowly to a great height like smoke from fire, as a pale shrouded figure it loomed over the hill. For a moment it wavered, looking to the West; but out of the west came a cold wind, and it bent away, and with a sigh dissolved into nothing.”
Excellent video! Only one small remark: at the end of the Third Age, what "killed" Sauron (i.e irretrievably damaged his body ) was not the destruction of the One Ring, it was instead the collapse of Barad-Dur that immediately followed.
@@stefanol7814, I am not sure that this is correct. Do you have a source which says that Sauron's physical body was killed by his dark tower? I am not snarky but just interested.
@@sabineb.5616 I'm rather certain of having read this, totally unable to recall the exact reference now. Maybe one of Tolkien's letters or something in History of ME vol 10?
@@stefanol7814 , thanks for answering 😀 l will research this. Somehow it doesn't feel right that Sauron could be killed so easily...
@@sabineb.5616 With the Ring destroyed, he was no more resilient than any elf.
@@stefanol7814 , thanks for answering, and and don't expect that Tolkien fans remember everything they have read somewhere. I certainly don't 😀
Where is Sauron now? I saw him walking in downtown Los Angeles. He's still looking for work.
The valar rollin around butt naked is hilarious. Imagine a dwarf just swearing "AULE'S PUBES WHAT ARE YA DOIN?"
Today I learned that when elves die they go hang out with the Mandos. They must go on some sick adventures together.
Love this channel 🖤
The One Ring was the original Horcrux...
Voldemort is a Lich in the end...
@takeiteasy2232 both sauron and voldemort had a similar fate in the end
Nope, that would be Korshei's needle.
But horcruxesprobably take inspiration from the 1💍 with them having a corrupting influence.
Something Korshei's needle doesn't have AFAIK.
@NaliTikva
That may be true but you don’t have to take it so seriously.
Rowling took inspiration from lotr
With the ring Sauron was Captain America.
With the ring destroyed Sauron was Steven Hawking.
wut
Considering Tolkien started writing about events in the fourth age (later scraped), lingering darkness, I suppose he meant to revive Sauron's spirit. I wish he wrote more and continued the story.
I saw him at the grocery last week. He was buying artichokes. This is how I recognize him ...
Always check under your bed for Sauron at night
Actually when men die, their fëar first go to the Halls of Mandos for a short time and then go to a place set aside by Eru as a "Gift."
The only reason for a constant supply of souls of insanely simple and stupid beings is food. Eru intervened because Melky and S boy were screwing up the harvest
@@Enerdhil , yes, unlike elves and maias, humans don't get reincarnated. They can leave this world forever after death. Illuvatar considered this a gift - but unfortunately many humans don't see it that way...
First time listening. Speaker does a great job of explaining Tolkien's world 👍
Thanks!
Wow thanks so much for supporting the channel 🙏 it's much appreciated! 🙂
@@RealmsUnravelled It was captivating. Thank you.
The unexpected link to real world paranormal activity really hit me off guard. But then again I did grow up with things going bump in the dark and I also adore LOTR. So yeah, great video. A nice palatte cleanser after I just watched someone else talk about Rings of Power.
My own head cannon has always been that Sauron lost the ability to manifest himself in any physical way.
He exists in Middle Earth, barely coherent, nearly insensate, lingering forever in quasi unconsciousness.
Thats what Tolkien said.
Sauron had a physical body during the War of the Ring; he just doesn't show up "on page". Gollum met him, though.
So he basically became Joe Biden😂
@@FliCityBoi_810Gaming Probably a little more lucid than Old Joe.
Where can i get the first wallpapers of Sauron /Images?
Where's Saruan now? Eating breakfast at Dennys.
Amazing production and vibes. Love the quotations and excerpts from the OT
Such a wonderful narration, and deep dive into the lore. Thank you so much for putting this together.
I don’t think Sauron is the best villain ever, but he certainly is one of the most unique ones. When you learn his whole story he becomes such an interesting topic to talk about. He combines understandable motivations and primordial horror
You have to always remember when tolkien wrote this. Villians fantasy? We had nothing like that apart from couple tales. Its quite something and he was the man who made that genre come alive.
Melkor would be the best villain ever, if it ever happens and is done right
@marsMayflower it's already been done right, in Tolkien's writings
@@Phantasia_Workshop oh, definitely. No movie will ever top what my imagination did reading the Silmarillion several times. But I would still love to see what my imagination came up with on a big screen. It won't ever happen, I know, but a person can dream.
@@marsMayflower Melkor is too much of an obvious re-imagining of Lucifer.
So well done
Sauron lives on as a powerless evil fart cloud. Yet though he strives mighty to dealt it no one in Middle Earth ever again smelt it.
Mainly because Tolkien never wrote Return of the Shadow.
is it an odorless fart cloud?
If a fart cloud exists where no one can smell it, does it have a scent?
@@Ryan-gw3yv does a balrog sh!t in the woods?
Then I came along and made a stronger stink. I'm keeping Sauron at bay. My stench outpowers his.
Fantastic story telling and summary of Sauron. I feel like i just lived his life
Have you ever gotten a call regarding your car's extended warranty? That was Sauron.
The Numenorian Soliers who followed their King into the undying lands, but werent actually evil but just following orders, entrapped in earth for eternity until the last day:
"Man this blows. ..."
This is a million times better than all of "Rings of Power".
Was "King of Kings" vainglorious though? Was it really? Or was it all part of the plan to allow Sauron to get close to Ar-Pharazôn so he could poison him against the Valar? Seems much more likely to be the latter to me.
You are correct
"King of Men" and "Lord of the World" are two other titles Sauron gave to himself. I think he was "vainglorious" with the titles because he did not really know how powerful the Numenorians were until they came knocking on his door at Barad-dür.
well spotted. Sauron doesn't want to be 'seen' as king of kings, he just wants to be the king of kings; it was psy ops to provoke ar phaeazon to war and then beguile him with skill and bribe him with esoteric power that would help him against the elves he had a cultural rivalry with. Sauron spends lives for his own advancement so the armies were an easy waste, because he can always rely on the vast hordes of orcs he has under his disposal to enforce his will.
Why dont read the books 🙄
What music are you using in the beginning of this video?
Also would like to know this. It's very nice.
It's worth noting that there's a Battle of Armageddon analogue that's prophesied in the Silmarillion. In "Dagor Dagorath" Morgoth is able to escape from the Void and wreaks havoc before making one last stand against the Valar. It's unclear whether Sauron is able to rejoin his old master for this final battle, but it certainly can't be ruled out.
In a way Sauron kinda doomed himself when he created the "one ring to rule them all" because in doing so he poured all his power, cruelty, malice and will to dominate all life into an object which if you ask me is effectively a trap
Not really, the ring is like an insurance policy, or bank account so in case of defeat, he will return and his ring(savings account) will have 60% of his power immediately if he puts it on thus saving him time trying to regain power.. The problem for him though is finding the damn ring
“ques the prologue + rest of the trilogy for rewatch” 🤣
@@calebh7902 It's a crutch. Real power doesn't do crutches.
What is he without the ring? Couldn't even win a battle when his finger got cut off. That says it all.
@@taramaforhaikido7272did you only watch the film?
@@christopherpekel6096 No. A crutch is still a crutch. Sauron didn't learn what nevana means. Sauron was too busy with the larger armies. He lost sight of the bigger picture.
Common mistake. People tend to "jump ahead" like that. Observation is key, but Sauron looked too hard. Look vs see, hm?
Sun Tzu gets it better. "Knoy thy enemy." "All is fair in love and war". Combine those two together. "Love thy enemy."
Sauron will listen to reason if you have good logic. But he's always been just short of reaching what he wanted. It was just out of his reach.
I see him ultimately being redeemed, albeit much later, after ages and ages pass. Melkor, on the other hand, is beyond redemption.
I think it's been mentioned before, but why did the movie take out the most important part of the story? And that's what happened AFTER the ring was destroyed and all the hobbits rising up and now having the courage to fight against the evil that entered their home?
Cause casuals don't give a fuck about Hobbits.
Not seeing Tom Bombadil is still a big let down but it is what it is
@@dynjarren5454 Bombadil had no real plot expansion and would have changed the tone of the films. Having said that it would have been interesting to see what Jackson would have done if he kept him in. But yeah not really needed.
@@OOL-UV2 I'm sure he did, But that is the excuse THEY all use!
Because the real hero of any story is not the one who does everything by himself - Hollywood Cape Crap - but it is the man who inspires and gives courage to all other men to rise up and fight against the Evil of oppression.
And that can never be allowed in Hollywood.
@@OOL-UV2 I'm sure he did! But that is the excuse (They) all use.
Because the real hero in any story is not the man does everything by himself - Hollywood Cape C**p - but the man who inspires and gives courage to the rest of men to rise up and together fight the Evil of oppression.
Hollywood will NEVER allow THAT message to EVER happen.
That's why the most important part of the story was ripped out, and instead we got the most pathetic and *** ending ever.
11/10 LOTR lore vid. Thanks for this, it makes the story so much richer
The first video I watched from you and subscribed. Your familiar passion for Tolkien made me do it