The Right Grip Size? What We Look For & What Does It Do?
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- In this video we test and discuss the variables and differences in grip sizes and how it may affect how the club plays and how it could impact the outcome.
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0:00 - Intro
1:20 - Standard Size Testing
2:28 - Grip Size Theory
3:22 - Standard Size Testing
4:28 - Getting the Right Grip Size
7:05 - Midsize Testing
8:52 - Swingweight Changes
12:07 - Jumbo Size Testing
14:33 - Ball Flight Numbers
16:25 - Club Delivery Numbers
19:07 - Summary 
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It's all about feel and not about finger size. I have short fingers and wear cadet size gloves and hate standard size grips. Been using mid-size Crossline grips for decades. Very comfortable and allows me to hold the club with light grip pressure and swing freely.
Just seeing this video now. Very well done. Another factor to consider is how swing weight may change as you go up or down in grip size depending of course on the manufacturer and the materials used. Rubber grips are heavier and progress up as size goes up whereas composite type grips like Winn or jumbo Max the weight can actually stay pretty consistent not affecting swing weight at all. Keep up the good work 🏌🏻♂️
Thanks for the vid! Myself I notice that the larger grips help me feel the angle of the club at impact, I am more conscious of the rotation of the clubface and more likely to square-up at impact.
You guys have become the new txg for me in terms of fitting and data!
Amazing thanks!! glad you enjoy the content 🙌👍
When you were explaining the relationship between the face angle and path, it would be great to see a visual, whether a graphic or just a side-by-side video (top view and side view) of a swing to illustrate how important that relationship is. For a lot of us weekend hackers, I think that data could be lost on us without seeing it in action lol.
Since 2021, I have been dealing with more arthritis in my hands. Switched to jumbo grips and it seems to help.
Great video. Most RUclips pros neglect to talk about swingweight when doing these types of videos. Kudos to you for bringing that up. One other factor to consider is the weight of the shaft in the club. 120 gram steel shafts can absorb the extra weight put on the end much easier than 50-65 gram shafts will. I'm 6'2", started playing in the early 80's and always lengthened my steel shaft irons 1" with extra layers of tape to build up the grips (large hands). Recently I retired and decided to take up golf again. I bought 4 TaylorMade FCT (White Head) Rescues with 65 gram Aldila RIP shafts and put JUMBO grips on all 4. They were erratic & unusable for me (I discovered that I CANNOT deliver an accurate swing with weights in the mid c's and lower. The bottom of the swing arc is different EVERY TIME, side to side AND front to back). I then bought the IDENTICLE HEAD clubs with the 85 gram Aldila RIP TP shafts and installed the jumbo grips. Problem solved. (I needed the heavier shafts to begin with in the clubs to minimize the effect of changing the grips. And yeah, I now own a swingweight scale).
Advice given to me by my golf pro is pick the size that allows you to have least grip pressure on full shots.
He should know having coached an amateur Open champion.
49, and have carpol tunnel in both hands
Brilliant these jumbo grips, worked a treat for me
I've changed all my grips except my hybrid to oversized +1/8 and it's been a great thing for me. More comfortable and my misses are tighter. My hybrid I just haven't got around to doing it yet and that is the only club I struggled with a bad hook miss. I didn't even know the theory behind smaller grips having a left miss but makes sense. I just did it for comfort.
To me it makes more sense to look at standard deviation for the off-line column because if you look at the average then if you hit 1 100 yards left and the next 100 yards right then the average is 0 yards off-line but the 2 balls are 200 yards apart.
Very helpful, thank you!
Senior golfer, hand/finger arthritis…..I moved to the same jumbo grip used by Bryson on my driver. I remarkably forces me to loosen my death grip, it is more cushion, and my hands hurt less. Other than my slices still…I do get longer drives, and hit a bit more to the left or straight now. Overall I am pleased. Same w Fatso grips on my wedge or heavier putters…calms my grip.
Same here with arthritis. Harder to grip smaller.
exactly the same with me. For my constantly sore hands, the jumbo grips are so much more comfortable for me. And I also am able to grip it more lightly, which allows the clubhead to square up better and with a little higher swing speed. And even though I didn't change the grip on my putter, I find that I'm gripping that club looser too, and my putting has improved. Worth at least a couple of strokes in my case.
I started using a large non-taper grip for same reason, non-taper has really helped stopped my slice
Same here but recently dropped down to the mid size grips, helps keep my fingers more on the grip!!!!
I bought a used club a couple years ago that had a jumbo grip on it. Loved it immediately, and went on to change the grips on my whole set. I did a fitting with regular grips and it was weird. Felt like holding onto a drinking straw. With the jumbos, I feel like minor rotations in my wrists and hands are minimized, and I stay on target better.
Much of getting fitted correctly for grips has to do with feel as much as it has to do with hand size and finger-length.
I use Golf Pride mid-size MCC+4 grips and can't imagine trying to swing a club now with those slim cheap tapered stock grips that clubs typically come with off the shelf.
One must always use what works best for their hands.
Grips that are too big will become easily noticeable to the player after a few shots at the range or in a simulator, and the same will apply for grips that are too thin.
Thin grips will usually result in the player having to death-grip the club much harder, which will often result in wild hooks.
Grips that are too thick will often result in the face of the club being left slightly open at impact, which will often result in slices.
There is also no rule against using different grips for different types of clubs, which is more common than many would otherwise believe.
Great way of putting it. My hand size is borderline between standard and midsize and I’ve always played standard since starting until recently I changed to midsize. I have noticed I don’t grip the club half as tight as I used to or hit crazy hooks. I now hit nice baby draws which I am absolutely loving.
Enjoy your test and fitting videos. I have looked, but I may have missed a fitting for someone similar to my situation, I'm 78, my handicap goes from barely into single digits (9.7) to highs around 12 (12.3). My driver (44.75 shaft) swing speed is low to mid 80s, (83-85 with a rare one up to 87). You guys ever record a fitting for an old guy like me? If not, it would be interesting and I'll bet you have more than a few viewers in this general category. Thank you for your work!
So on a good day you can beat Steven Alker the #1 ranked senior golfer in the world and on a bad day you can place in the top 30 of senior golfers whom all are about 20 years younger than you. That's pretty insane.
Hey John, we do did the fitting with Geraint who was off around 12 handicap at the time with a swing speed similar to yours (maybe a fraction faster) but no one of your age just yet. If you want to be the first then let me know 👍
Agree, correct grip followed by comfort and familiarity with the grip size will breed confidence. One point I would make is regarding glove size being a potential guide to grip size; I have found the gloves size is dependent on the brand and composition of the glove (leather v mixed leather material v all weather man made).
Absolutely mate. I think hand size / glove size is a good starting point, but as you say different brands are different anyway which does make it a bit of a tough one for a lot of people who don't even know where to start...
I actually worked with someone to find the right glove. I have issues with my tendon in one of my hands.
Excellent video. Can you comment on changes in sound between the grip sizes. I recently switched from Golf Pride Standard Size Z Grip Chevron Soft Black (50g) to Winn Dritac 2.0 Midsize Swing Grip (54g) and I am no longer hearing the sweat sound I used to hear when I hit the center of the club face. That sound is a check for me and losing it is a big negative. Did. you experience this when changing to the larger grips?
Did you ever get the chance to look at the jumbo max grips, I've been trialling them this winter and just ordered them for the full bag, Early indications are they are good, defo increased my ball speed
For me, it all comes down to feel. The feel relates to confidence, just the same as looks do. But it also relates to repeatability and fatigue. The only way a person will truly know how a change will affect them is a large sample size (like playing several rounds or range sessions). That's one reason that a good club fitter has a guarantee that if you're not happy after a certain time period you can return a club and they will try to make it right.
I’ve had for years midsize with 4 layers of tape only due to having large hands and with my new clubs I’ve gone for jumbo with only the standard one layer of tape which feels the same size but seems more stable than the midsize with multiple layers of tape. I don’t choose for the rotation reasons, simply it feels more comfortable in my hand…
Great video, new channel to me, subscribed 🙏
I currently have Golfpride Tour Velvet Midsize grips on pretty much every thing am gonna try the MCC +4 midsize grips on a couple of my woods to see if i like them and if i do like them will switch them all your thoughts ? thx for your videos cheers from Vulcan Canada
Hi there , I have a Autoflex 505xx playing 47 inch with a stealth head, I have taken 6g out of that head and its playing at D3 grip size is a mid size +4, I don’t want to take any more weight out of the head because I an worried about dropping the smash factor.
Autoflex say it plays the best at D1 , I have a golf pride jumbo CPX grip and I’m just looking for some advise because I should be able to put a few grams back in the head with that grip what are your thoughts?
I just put midsize on every club. I am also going to overlap from interlock due to arthritis. Hopefully I can find something that works on the simulator this winter.
I use the arthritic grips from Taci Mac and have used them for years. Don’t break the bank and the grip and feel is like no other.
I went to jumbomax grips, the XS size, and really loved how they felt. The problem I didn’t think of was, they really threw off my swing weights as they were twice the weight of a regular grip. If I had went with the lightweight version, I would have been fine. Now playing Winn Dry-Tac LT midsize. I wear a medium glove.
Add some lead
standard hand size, but I use a jumbo, feels like more control, less squeeze , and easier on my arthritic/nerve pains in my finger, sometimes due to weather.
used Jumbo Max a long time but now it's mixed with just jumbo. Medium to small grips are too hard for me to grip, they feel like they slip in mt hands at impact.
Play jumbo tour wrap with a layer of duct tape. Made such difference on dispersion but so much difference on inside 100 with the feel wedges.
Have you ever played around with reverse taper or straight grips?
My miss is usually to the right (mixed with the occasional pull) - inconsistencies of 21 hcp swing. However, I do feel that when I have probably the correct grip pressure, that I'm less in control of the clubhead. Currently have standard grip with 3 layers of tape. Might a midsize grip offer me more feeling of clubhead control?
Feel is key but bigger grips are definitely more forgiving and offer more control, like wider tires on a sports car. I recommend a midweight jumbo grip for most guys and light-midweight midsize grip for most gals.
I went from STD to MID in my woods at the start of last year. The intent was to calm down my draw/hook tendency and it worked. A few months later I regripped my irons from STD to MID and they felt odd to start but it did take way the draw/hook tendency. If I had done more range time after the regrip it would have transitioned easier. In the end, they feel great for me and I'm keeping the flight straighter. I still snap a few every now and then. The only clubs still STD are my wedges so that they have more feel and can be opened/closed and flipped/flatted as needed. I'm a Cadet M-L glove sized hand. The wedges have Lamkin 1130s for the more barreled longer grips. For someone that slices the ball I would suggest a thinner grip so that they can get the hands moving through the zone easier to turn the club over and to also strenghten their grip. It gives a change to get the grip more into the fingers easier.
I would counter this and say that a skinny grip makes me clasp on much harder which in effect tightens the wrists and hinders the release. It also causes fatigue and pain as was explained in the video.
The data showed negligible differences in release/delivery and I personally think you should go by feel/comfortability.
Just my five cents.
Great video! Just looking for some advice. I’m being encouraged to go from a standard +4 tour velvet grip to a midsize +4 tour velvet grip by my coach. I’m a medium hand size but have very active hands and we have been trying for a while to quite them down.
I play T100s with KBS V spec 110 stiff. I’m currently playing off scratch but have been as low as +3. Should I be concerned about swing weights with these grips?
Many thanks
My advice when it comes to grip size it always comfort. Just have to feel comfortable with how it sits in your hands. It's all well saying let's try and put on a big grip to take your hands out of it (which in my opinion rarely works anyway) but if you don't like how the size feels it will negatively impact your game. So always be cautious of that. And swing weight wise again it depends on the player, but if your miss is left the yes you may benefit from adding some lead tape to the head. But I'd maybe suggest start off getting one club regripped and test that out for a few range sessions as see if you like the size. If you decide to change them all then have a couple rounds without any extra lead tape. Then if the miss is more left and can't feel the head they try adding 4gs of lead tape to the club head. If it continues then keep adding 2gs at a time until the weight feels good and miss is better 👍
Often I have seen a larger grip discourage a right handed golfers miss to the left. Your results were interesting.
Indeed, thats why you need to test for yourself, everyone will be different
Excellent video, I have always played standard grips even though they appear slightly small on my hands, last year I changed to a MCC PLUS4 Align (standard) and the thicker lower hand feels so much better although the grips still appear slightly small on my gloved hand, so should I try 2 or 3 layers of tape with my current standard grips or try the midsize which is a massive 14 grams heavier and I do not fancy having the swingweights on all my clubs messed up.
Hi Scott. Some will suggest, and it works for me, this "rule of thumb". Using the glove hand, grip the club as you normally would. If your longest fingers don't reach the meat of your thumb, the grip is too large. If they dig in, the grip is too small. You want the fingers to just be touching the palm. Try that first. If you have a Dicks Sports nearby, they will have different size grip samples attached to shafts which you can try out. They will help you with the fitting. Layers of tape under the glove hand would definitely be better than going to that hefty midsize.
In my opinion if a bigger grip gives you the right grip pressure that’s the main concern. I’ve had standard grips for years and gripped to tight. I now lighten my grip each shot and it’s changed my game. I will be changing to midsize soon.
Grips are an individual thing. I use midsize for two reasons. One, arthritis in my hands makes it easier to hold them. Next, I know I can hit it straighter. Right or wrong, I have tried all the way from regular to jumbo. Settled on midsize and never deviated.
I e got pretty bad arthritis in my hands. I put some Winn dri tac midsize on. It stopped my clubs flying out of my hands. Been doing more research and have just bought some JumboMax comfort wrap. Not fitted them yet but am hoping for the best
I have the same issue. Try the LT(less taper) version of Winn. You might like them.
I would like to see this test with the screen off so adjustments aren’t being made, also add in some +4 grips as well.
Can I put a 85g project x even flow black hybrid shaft into my TM P790 2iron? Would I have to be making too many adjustments regarding swing weight, how would the difference in length cause it to react?
Your assistance will be very much appreciated
I haven't built one in a while but from memory the 790 2 iron was taper tip, and the hybrid shaft will be .370. So you could get it to fit but would need to possibly ream out the hosel. Regarding swing weight that wouldn't be an issue as the head is designed to play the standard length that you would cut it too. And flex wouldn't be too much of an issue either as you could tip it depending on how you wanted it to play. If it's already in a hybrid it likely will already have been tipped some amount, depending on what hybrid it's in. There are a lot of variables here. Too many to say on here. It could be done yes but you would need to take it to someone who knows what they are doing and tell them how you want it to play.
@@epgolfstudios thank you for your advice, I’ll get cracking.....well reaming anyway!
Enjoy your content 👍🏻👍🏻
I am sure if you go from a small grip to a large grip there is going to be a difference. Also depends on the club how much effect it has. I know I put a Large Grip on my Putter and hated it because lost all feel. But for a Driver it might help absorb impact for those who have sensitive hands..
Yes David there are so many variables you could talk about them all day. But the reality is everyone is different and everyone reacts differently, so you really have to test them yourself. For me I didn't really see a dispersion difference, but definitely a consistency difference and a confidence difference for sure. And yes impact absorption is also a good point and ties in with grip material and pressure.
Have you tried the golf pride cpx grips? Just got my woods and wedges regripped using them absolutely love them
Yes Nelly! I have them on my clubs currently! Really like them. Only negative is they wear very quickly. Apart from that they are amazing
@EP Golf Studios yeah I had a feeling they would wear quickly but feeling wise has helped me massively with my grip strength as previous grips I felt like I had to grip to tight
What effect does the golf pride CPX grips have on swing weight ? I’m using jumbos on my 0211 PXG irons ?? I think jumbos are like 85 or 87 grams ?? Quite heavy
I use standard MCC grips. My glove size is medium-medium long depending on the brand. I do experience finger pains in both of my ring fingers time to time. Would MCC plus 4 be a better option or switch to full size?
Definitely worth a try for sure.mate 🙌 maybe do 1 iron first and see how it goes for a few range sessions before you decide to change them all
I have a question??I had my irons pured with jumbo grips…if I go back to midsize w/2 wraps…will I have to get my irons pured again or will it make no difference???
Correct, it will make no difference. Pureing is all about the alignment of the shaft, nothing to do with swingweight.
@@epgolfstudios thank you for answering my question…the reason for that question was because the guy at Club Champion told me that I would have to have my irons pured again…I just wanted to get a second opinion and since I follow your Utube channel…I thought that you would be the right person to give me a straight answer…again thank you…
@@derbscott2687 did they 😂 I wonder why.......if I'm completely honest with you I wouldn't even bother with pureing. Extra money and it's never been proven that it actually does anything
Choosing the right golf club grip is very important, it will affect your stroke performance and comfort.
These are the standard jumbo grips, not the jumbo max. The progression goes: standard, midsize, jumbo, XS, M, L, XL (jumbo max, or what Bryson plays)
Correct. Can't see many people going into the Bryson grips though 😂
I went from standard to midsize and my club balance is all wacked out. You are the only one I've seen say that. Thank you guess I'll go back to standard maybe plus 2 wraps?
Yeah I mean there are lots of variables in there and it also depends on the person. Some people will change grips and not really notice it and others will see quite a big impact.
There's a few options. If you want to stick with a bigger grip then find a grip that is bigger but not heavier, there are quite a few options out there.
You could get them rebuilt to add weight back into the head but this won't be cheap. Or get some tungsten power and corks and do it yourself.
Or yeah to back to standard size.
Just gotta try figure out which is best way forward for you
Need to be cognisant of grip weight as the heavier grip counterbalances and you’ll end up loosing feel for the club head
@seancook2264 I went to golf pride mcc standard plus 1 wrap and it is much better for me.. wish my club fitter would have mention that to me...
I think a more accurate assessment of the grip size should be done by a mid handicapper with difficulty gripping a club either due to injury or arthritis. The midsize grip has made all the difference for friends and myself who are all in the late 40's to mid 50's.
I’d agree and then immediately disagree…..comfort is key absolutely but comfort comes from familiarity so you will naturally feel more comfortable in a grip size you’ve used for a while. I’d hazard a guess that if you used another size for a few months they’d then become the most comfortable.
Very good point Tim and you're right, comfort does come from familiarity for sure. But I have also had it many times where a grip size change has instantly felt better and performed better for players that have never played that grip size. So of course it's going to depend on the individual. If there is a case where we think changing grip size for technical or data reasons seems like a good idea but they player feels more comfortable on their original size then really I would leave that call down to the player. I can only advise on what I think would be better in any given situation. It might be they try and trial the grip for a while on an old club and see how it feels after practising with it for a few weeks. But as with anything in fitting it's just about trying to make the best call we can for that player.
For me personally, if I don't have a larger grip on my woods I find I go left A LOT. I'm a right handed player.
there are so many different gripweight out there, so why don´t you seek same weight of grips, if you try to have a talk about gripsize.... ex winn dritak Jumbo is about 50 gr, and if you take the lite version it`s under 40 gr in jumboversion, just for the comparison !!
Larger grips should intrinsically increase sensitivity to face angle changes and allow finer adjustments. That's the biggest advantage of larger grips is their greater directional control.
Certainly for some, but that wouldn't be the same for every golfer out there
@@epgolfstudios it's simple math larger diameters allow finer adjustments. Individual performance is a function of more variables.
Think you need to re- dot that club face no??
I went from a normal grip to midsize and hated it
The bottom line with these swing tests is that every grip got you on or near the green. There’s not a grip in existence that would do that for my game. Lol.
Is it not true that the larger the grip for average size hands the less the wrist rotation?
That's the theory....
Hand size is also a huge issue
Most amateurs could benefit from a lighter swing weight, even single figure handicappers. So I wouldn't be to concerned about swing weight and offsetting the head with a heavier jumbo grip.
Absolutely agree 👍
@@epgolfstudios yeah, it always struck me as strange that clubs off the rack - even game improvement clubs are sold with the same swing weight as tour pros - what the hell? and most clubfitters build every iron set up around d3. you wouldnt dream of putting a blade with tour stiff shafts in an amateurs hands, why swingweight? ive jumbo grips with extra tape, i reckon the grip weights 90g +, love it!
You hit like every shot thin
In all fairness my miss is low, however a good strike is 3rd to 4th groove so on quad that'd like 8 - 10mm low on the face so a perfect strike looks thin anything lower then like 12mm would be thin
Stand still
After watching this video, it suggests that there isn’t a huge difference.
Same as anything when it comes to equipment, everyone will find slightly different results. But the idea that a bigger grip will help you stop you turning your hands over and prevent the left miss is mostly a myth in my opinion. But can have benefits elsewhere for the right person.
@@epgolfstudios I think there is something to be said for getting a grip that fits your hands. Grip diameters have been the same forever and there are simply more bigger, taller people then there were 50 years ago. And having a grip that is too small could cause you problems.
What a waste of time
I like the content of your videos, but your rocking back and forth is making me seasick. Stop it!
I do love a good rock
You waffle on too much. Lost interest 5 mins into the video
@15:34 that is why in statistics you take out the one-off extremes from the calculation
In some cases I do yes, it depends what I am testing. In this test I didn't take out any bad shots (only ones that exceeded the swing speed that I was trying to achieve). However if I was texting a club or shaft I would take out any very bad shots because I am trying to see how the club performs, not how well I perform.
Once again a whole lot of golf comes down to individual feel comfort and looks. I personally am very visual. If I look down and don’t like the top line, or a meeting of crown to face or the look of the shaft I don’t care how good it may be I won’t hit it well because it doesn’t fit my eye.
Bigger grips will RESTRICT your wrist action and are perfect for people suffering from HOOKS!!!!!!Unfortunately for the majority of weekend hackers suffering from SLICE they are a death wish!