Which OIL should you RUN in your TUNED CAR?! We asked LiquiMoly!
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00:00 - Liqui Moly's Engineer from Germany
00:37 - Today's Video
00:55 - Is the 10,000 Interval a Scam?
03:38 - Requirements of BMW Oils
04:47 - Differences Between BMW and Other Manufacturers
06:00 - Will Using Non-Approved Oils Void My Warranty?
07:13 - Should I Increase Frequency of Oil Change if Running Ethanol?
09:30 - Should I Trust the Manufacturer's Oil Recommendation?
12:28 - Is 0W-20 Too Thin??
16:10 - Additives to Prolong Longevity of Car
17:24 - Why Do Oil Companies Market By Mileage of Car?
In today's video, we ask Liqui Moly's engineer Steffan Niemietz some of the common questions we get asked by you guys everyday, and go over some of the products that will help with longevity especially when tuning cars!
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More videos on stuff like this. Best brake pads for street use, best tires for daily use, best aftermarket suspension for xx car. Best aftermarket exhaust, intake etc. whether you should go speed density or maf etc. dyno days with different parts to test the power gains. “Intakes, exhausts, etc. put it on the lift and tune to each part to see what parts have the most power capability etc.
Thats a nice ideia!
No. Best tire and pads is literally beating a dead decomposed horse
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So good to have real answers to oil questions, Stefan is a vertual encyclopedia of knowledge on this topic. What a pro. Thanks for bringing him along.
I will remain using Liqui Moly simply because of how passionate they are of their products. He feeds you knowledge, not “buy my shit” bull shit. Especially when the question of what oil weight to use after doubling the power. He hit it on the nail when mentioning, at that point, you are modifying what engineers developed around 0w-20/30, So it’s trial and error from there! Liqui Moly best stuff around in my opinion!
Thanks Bryan
This are the videos we want, cause there is not much straight forward info in the internet about this , everyone is telling something from their own experience but this is straight from the people who know what they are doing , and this will educate car owners so that cars get treated as they should and the next owner won’t buy a car that has problems with it.
Well done yall, I love info like this!
Great video very informative keep up the excellent work Brian 👌🏻👍🏻
A long over due video. Very informative. I run Molygen on my F80 and am more than happy with it.
Wow! I’ve been waiting 20 years for a video like this. Great info. The part about modern engines having tighter tolerances makes sense. An oil that is too thick won’t lubricate those tight spots.
Excellent video, not just teaching us how to gain power in our cars but how to protect them as well. Thumbs up 👍
Really useful video with an actual pro speaking! Im still only doing 5k max before oil change though.
I use LM Hi Tec, it's good for 25k miles but I still do 4-5k.. oil is so cheap compared to another engine or car
I've seen engines from inside that ran oil for 20-25k km as BMW requested. Completely clogged up in grease. All mechanics I know say the same about oil - BMW's extended intervals are the main reason for the engine problems. They only care for the warranty period.
Were they tuned
I was lucky enough to find a shop 5 minutes away that carries a full line of Liqui Moly Oils, Additives, and a selection of Mann/Mahle OE Oil Filter Kits. 45 minutes in and out. No more $400 oil changes from the BMW Dealership.
I have a BMW F30 335i N55 that used 5w30 and a E90 M3 S65 that uses 10w60...so double the Liqui Moly Goodness.
The most important ideas from this video is to stick with the stock BMW recommended oil weight, but adjust the oil change interval based on track use, climate, and mods. Keep a log of oil and other fluid changes in your cell phone. Also keep the oil grade, volume in liters/qtz, and oil filter part number. Also buy a supply of oil drain plugs...change every 4-5 oil changes. After a major engine mod like big turbos, Stage 2-3 Tune, or switching to E85/E90, get a Blackstone Oil Analysis at 2500 and 5000 miles. The more unburnt fuel in the oil, the more often you have to change the oil. Some engines have oil filter housing gasket failures, so you will see coolant in your oil. For my S65 brothers, rod bearings wear will put lead and copper fragments in your oil. Of course this means El Presidente, Bryan would need to change his oil every 1000-2000 miles on his BMW F30 N55.
wow I learned a lot this video. good job guys
Great video I learned alot.
This was a great video 🤜🏻🤛🏻😎
That was awesome and super informative
good stuff - enjoyed this
This is such a refreshing video. Anyone who modifies their car should see this. And now I want to switch to Liquid Molly.
Thats really Fantastic info... 👏 👏 👏 👍 👍 👍
THE PERFECT BMW OIL CHANGE: Fill with half 0W-20 and half 5W-30. That way you get an ideal 2.5W-25. = )
Interesting thought. I wonder if it that simple? I wonder when cool will the oil separate by weight?
@@MrwaffleandmilkYou actually can buddy. Use any online octane calculator and it will show you that you can.
AMAZING VIDEO !
Here in Europe oil interval is 18,500miles for BMW. A lot of non car people does run by that. Personaly i replace at 6000miles max.
Great video, liqui moly is my go oil for all my bmws, I also use their additives, best in the business.
Change your oil every 5k. That is my rule for all my cars.
I have only used Liqui Moly on my n55 BMW and so far so good 👍🏼
Keep up the great work guys, I love your content, but this one was a bit confusing. So the guy from Liqui-Moly in this video says always follow the manufactures (0W 30) instructions for oil weight......however the Liqui-Moly website provides a different weight oil recommendation for my '16 M4 (5W 30)....so which is it?
I really wanted to say this was an ad....but it was a solid video my man!
You should mentioned to him when the f80 m3 first came out bmw recommended 5w40 then switched to 5w30 and now 0w-30. So same engine but 3 different oil weights through the years?
If in my Volvo V40 2015 the previous owner flooded 5w30 oil and in the book attached to the car they write to add 0w20, then go back to what the manufacturer recommends during the next change?
First comment.. from overseas! German oil for German cars.
Oil is literally engine life.
Very interesting about the 0w-20 facts
Hey is it safe to add oil saver & tha friction wen I change my oil or just stick to one or the other
0w20 LL FE is hard to find. Iv used 5w30 LL in my 2018 X3 2.0l with no issues. It runs smoother and more responsive imo. Do you think there is any long term harm?
You should go on oil sample analysis on non standard engines to guide you to a change interval.
I added ceratec to my car a month ago and im very impressed, my car drives like new. Very good product higly recommend this.
WHEre's Your SHOP BRO?
I use LiquiMoly 5w-40, but I do drag race my stage 2 2016 340i quite a bit. So far so good.
Molygen or high leichtlauf ? Does it matter ?
I have a 2018 bmw 340i no modifications, do you recomend the 0w20 or 5w30 ?
Bro I loved this video!!! this background view of the Beemers are dope too!!
Thanks, you’ll have to visit one day 👊🏼
What about oil temperature? What is the best temperature for the oil. With normal driving F11 the temperature gauge show oil temperature between 110C and 120C.
Hi sir which is better oil additive for VW 1.6 tdi Engine Ceratec or Mos2 Anti friction treatment?
hi what oil should i use? i own a e91 m57 330d with 220k km in engine 5w30 or 5w40? (dpf off / egr off)
Hey Kies I’ve been following you for years you’ve taught me soooo much about bimmers and probably have saved me thousands of dollars. I have on huuuuge request can you find a manual f30 and make some videos bro about shift knob removals etc etc etc. I just got a lightweight flywheel from clutchmasters installed. Idk how to put my request into a good question. But you have so many f30s I’d love to see some content on some manual. Tbh maybe you haven’t made any videos on it b/c maybe the trans has never been changed and it may be the same for all manual bmws. Idk bro help me and the manual tranny guys and gals here. I know we are a soon to be a dead race. Thanx Kies and your team for everything you do here on RUclips for us.
Hi Bryan and Steffen! Thanks for the video, learned quite a bit, much appreciated!
I have read somewhere that the BMW oil specification (like LL-04) changes over time, meaning that a 5W-30 LL-04 oil that you buy today is different than a 5W-30 LL-04 oil that you could buy 10 years ago… Is that true?
Yes. The standards change over time. For instance the BMW LL01 was revised in 2018 and removed 0W oils.
MOS2 goes in all my engines! Even my 1994 Tarago and F80… but now I have to find me some Ceratec
30,000km that must be why my buddy's shop is always full of Mercedes Audi and Volkswagen
Btw do I change the oil before storage or after ?
Mileage: 65,500 KM. Specs listed below
*ANY RECOMMENDATIONS HELPS*
I had an oil change done last year in November and the technician put a thicker oil in my N20 (2013 328i) and some times if it’s really cold outside it will struggle to hold idle and warm up. I was originally putting SAE-5W30. But after the oil change the technician put SAE-5W40. My car has a AFE STAGE 2 INTAKE (the blue burger), AFE CATLESS 4” too 2” downpipe. VRSF CHARGE PIPE and VRSF INTERCOOLER.The car is on a Stage 2 AGG with a burble tune and it’s straight piped from the turbo back. No resonator and no muffler. I live in Toronto Canada 🇨🇦
soooo my 2016 bmw 340i stage 2 /catless will be okay with the 0-20 huh? might just change it every 3K
Wicked video so informative keep me coming 👍
in an earlier video he mentioned that BMW's would take up to 40 weight oil do to tolerance nothing more than that. Anything thicker you are asking for problems. Also if you use Molygen you do NOT need any other additives as those additive will contaminate and decrease the oil's formula as Molygen has already a perfect additive formulation and doesn't need anything else! For any other Liqui Moly oils you can add those additives that he mentioned/showed in the video.
Time between oil changes for seldom driven cars, would be good to know also! Thanks
Now talk about fuel system clean the f30 lci 320i doesnt have fuel filter, what does it really mean? Do i need to flush the fuel system regularly? On how many km? And the whats the diffrents between cars that have fuel fiters and like mine that dont have it? Whats the positive and negative, what better?
Is it possible to do a custom tune on a 2022 m340i
The BMW LongLife-01 (LL-01) oil spec is covered by Liqui Moly Special Tec LL 5w30 and Leichtlauf High Tech 5w-40. But SpecialTec LL 5w30 is typically not in stock, so I use the heavier Leichtlauf High Tech 5w-40. Super hot in SoCal in the summer @ 100-115deg F.
On Liqui Moly Oil Additives, CeraTec is very nice, but the color is like a Cafe Latte (brown). So it will turn your oil brown and freak out your Tech. Not sure if you should use it only for the last few hundred miles before an oil change, all the time, or every 2-3 oil changes. Might be better to just use it for a few track days in a row, and then change your oil.
The Jectron Fuel Injector Cleaner is like Chevron Tectron. Add it at one quarter to half a tank to keep the engine happy. It is twice or 4x as concentrated if you add it to half to a quarter of a tank of gas. Use it every 1000-2000 miles. No need to over do it unless you car idle is rough.
I have been trying many different oils in the last 2 years on a 2017 BMW X5 xDrive35i.
-Castrol Edge Euro 0w40
-Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40
-Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0w30
-Motul Specific BMW LL01FE 5w30
I found slightly more oil consumption on Castrol Edge 0w40.
I found no oil consumption on Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40, but affected my mpg negatively. Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0w30 had no oil consumption and also noticed a slightly better mpg. I also use Liqui Moly Ceratec and also MOS2 additives. Use Ceratec every 30k mi, use MoS2 every oil change. Use Techron every 3-4k mi. Many times I used Redline fuel system cleaner since Techron is difficult to find here.
I use 5w40 Amsoil on my X5 50D 2016. On the highway it is extremely silent and smooth! Cold start is ok but idle a bit loud(maybe fuel?) ? In city is jerky my car! Is it because of oil or because is 6 cylinder? 0w30 or 5w30 will make a difference or my issue is not related to oil?? Thanks in advance
5w-40 is not “thicker” than 5w-30. The low number is the same, meaning the two oils protect the same at colder temps. The 40 just means that it will maintain a higher viscosity at higher temps, which is desirable for a track/tuned car.
From Enclosure 2 to SI 11 07 96 (138), edition 02/2019 of G20 BMW manual
When using engine oils as per Enclosure 3 the following rules apply to selecting the suitable
viscosity class:
BMW Longlife oils as specified for all BMW models as from 1998 are tested by BMW to ensure that
they can be used worldwide all-year round at any ambient temperatures. It is therefore not
necessary to pay attention to the viscosity class of BMW longlife oils. Exception M47TÜ2; a lower
temperature limit of -20°C applies to SAE 5W-X oils; cold starting may be adversely affected if the
temperature falls below that limit. In countries where the ambient temperatures frequently drop
below -20 °C, we thus recommend the use of 0W instead of 5W products.
The viscosity classes SAE 0W-20 and SAE 5W-20 are not suitable for diesel engines.
Viscosity classes with a high viscosity can increase fuel consumption.
This video came at the perfect time for me as I’m going to tune my B58 soon, and was wondering about the 0w-20. I know the oil passages are smaller as well but ppl still change to 5w-30. Thanks for the video!
What’d you end up going with?
@@nickanunziato2375 I have a 340i, I’ve been running 5w-40 on it. Over 10000km done with it and there’s been no issues. The engine has 81000km total
@@andreasvasiliou1637still on 5w40? Is the engine getting to temp slower? Mpg change?
It's not 30k miles in Europe, it's 30k Kilometers service / 24 months. That, of course, in countries where you have highways, you don't stay in bumper to bumper traffic 3 hours a day, and there is no dust on the roads. Once you go to Eastern Europe, where we do have dust on the roads, we have a nightmare traffic, you need to change the oil every 10k kilometers or even sooner for fuel high performance cars.
I use the fuel additive every month on my 4 and 7 series.
Can I use car engine oil in a dry clutch scooter?
Awesome.. I just bought this exact oil for my 328i & M4
And thanks to the LiquiMoly guys for doing this
Does Any One know How to add ceratec I mean My car takes 6.5 litre oil , ceratec is 300ml so i have to pour 6.2l oil and 300ml ceratec?
I run 5W-30 LiquiMoly in my 2013 Mini Cooper with no problems.
i went to 5/40 over 100000 on n55 2011 135i its seems to be ok i change every 3500 miles
....they only changed the recommend to 0W20 for fuel economy and CAFE requirements. Older vehicles with the B58 are just fine up to 5w40 (even in the manual)...
Is b58 old?😂
Thank you.
Yes because I was wondering if e85 was compatible with the molly
The question is how is the same engine has different oil spec for example b58 in some countries is LL01 not 04 , also the viscosity is 5w30 and the clearance is the same!
The owners manual states you can use 0w-30 in the b58 and b48 but it must have the LL01FE spec.
The 0w-20 is the LL14FE+ for “fuel economy”.
My dealer uses 0w-30 when they change the oil in my ‘18 330i.
I've tuned my B9 S4 to Stage 2 E85. Roughly power bump from 350 - 510.
I used stock 0w20, then LM 0w20, and now I'm putting in LM 5w30 + Ceratec
Was really hesitant on moving from 0w20 to 5w30, but as it burns oil when I drive it hard so I'm assuming that means it thins out too much when running above typical operating temperature.
I would run 5w-50 liquimoly. It will protect the same as 5w-30 at start up, but much better when you’re really pushing it.
Wow thank you for bringing him out to nj. Now I understand well about oil. But can you explain what does the 5 mean, the W, and 30/40?
Basically the first number in oil spec is the cold viscosity and the second is the hot/operating temperature viscosity.
This is great
Waiting for some of that 328i content 👀
So what car recommends uses 5w40? They had it on the table and they sell it for those ppl that use 5w30 that want a heavier oil. So according to him it's bad to do so
5-6k miles max!!!
Why??
My 2018 M4 comp is tuned with a custom 93 oct tune w/ catless downpipes, Charge Pipes, CAI Intakes… I was told from several people on a forum that I use 5W-30 for my oil changes and I have 26k miles. I changed my oil 4 times. (3 Times with OEM recommendation and 1 time with 5W-30 Liqui Moly and no issues)
Does anyone else use 5W-30?!
I used 5w-30 on my s4 but use 5w-40 by Liquimoly on my 335i
The issues will come at a later point, too early for this. :-) 6k miles with 5-30 is fine if you do not drive aggressively or go to the track. I see many people use 5-30 in the US while in Europe this will void the warranty.
I’m in the same situation as you. Under hood oil recommendation from BMW is 0W-30, but the liqui moly website calls for B FE 5W-30…which is exactly what I’ve been using on my M4. Which is right?
5W-40 in my 2014 F30 335i
For my N55 35i i always use 0W40 Synthoil energy.
I have used Mannol 0w-40 LL-04 in diesel for years
I just use pennzoil 5w30 full synthetic and change my oil every 3k. 🤷♂️
I would not hesitate to use a 0w30 on the BMW B58.
If molygen is prepackaged with additives why do people recommend leichleif long life in the blue bottle?
I use what I've been using which is 5/30 10/30 in my F90 Comp that 0 stuff just scares me. 66k and 0 problems or consumption
Amsoil Signature is the best oil for BMWs boosted cars!!
I've been using LM 5w-30 in my B58 Supra since 3k miles and I'm at 33k now on a stock car other than a intake. No issues yet.
Now I'm not sure if I should go back to 0-20
I am suspicious that your car smell burning oil after acceleration to 150+km/h! 5w40 is the absolute perfection! But 5w30 is awesome inside city! 5w40 it’s a bit jerky in the city! Why this??? Specs say should be ok!
I use "Full Synthetic" Liqui Moly in both of my modern cars. A specific Volvo only approved Liqui Moly and another specific viscosity Liqui Moly for my 2023 Lexus. Oh, and change your oil at either 5,000 miles or six-months, whichever occurs first. Why? Because oil & filters are cheap, engines are expensive.
Blackstone
The bigger question is how well does it protect rod bearings?
It depends if you let in warm up and thin out enough to flow into and out of the clearances - that is how you protect your BMW rod bearings.
Wow...
My BMW F31 B47 20d has 30.000 km service intervals.. I've decided to change the oil once in between, going 15.000 km on the oil..
But oil change for every 3.000 miles? That seems very conservative to me.. But of course rather be safe than sorry!
The long service intervals are to make the cars more attractive to fleet managers for leasing deals. That's also why BMW states that the ZF gearboxes run with lifetime oil - no service = lower service costs. Also shorter lifetime, but why should BMW care - the warranty is long gone 🤦♂
0w-40 has been awesome. Living in a colder environment (Utah) it’s been great! For the E39 M5 5w-50 as it’s thinner. Much better for cold and warms up faster
5w50 is not "thinner" it's much higher viscosity "thicker" than 0w40 .
I knew VAG wasn’t lieing when they said 0w20 is REQUIRED for the EA839 in my S4 😀 they designed the engine with extremely tight tolerances. It’s quite amazing really.
just to clarify something, do not confuse the "W" with weight, the letter "W" is for winter, it has nothing to do with how "heavy" or "light" the oil is. the lower the number the less likely the oil will freeze in really low temperatures
Source for this please? I believe this is incorrect. The W does in fact stand for "Winter" but is referenced for *multi-grade* oils that work as a thin oil at cold temps and a thicker oil at higher temps (source: SAE J300). SAE viscosities are measured at 40C and 100C. Not at a freezing temp. While the freeze point may be a consideration, the cold pour point is a more common metric during testing. This is not a "freeze" point, however. You can have multiple "5W30" oils all with different cold pour points. The viscosity grade does not denote anything about freezing.
I use long life iv green
Hmm so is 5w 40 okay for the N55 F series?
Yees good choice
over 100000 i went to 5/40 in my n55 E series
Yes I run this in my tuned M2
Can i run this on my tuned 530i xdrive 2017?
heh my local BMW says only use LL01 0W30 oil for M340i - so who is right
If you live in the area with climate changes such as nyc and where temps drops to 10-15 f during winter 0-30 is the good pick both protection wise and fuel economy. However, if you r in Florida your best bet is 5w30. 0w20 is way too thin. I remember Subarus engines were requiring 0w20 oil on their wrx and sti models and were constantly having issues on boosted cars. While 0w20 has superb flow rate literally like mentioned in this video it's identical to ice tea and superb fuel economy this oil leaving a lot of concerns protection wise. While 0-30 is not significantly thicker than 0-20 it does provide peace of mind. And if this doesn't make sense to you look at m performance bmw vehicles with b58 335-350hp stock the dealer uses 0-30w cuz they are well familiar that most of the consumers will want push the vehicles to it's full potential. Long story short before you hit 50 k miles it does not matter whether you use 0-20 or 0-30 it just comes to a personal preference mpg vs safety. Mpgs and start stop is all about marketing - you are like if you I'll get 1 mpg out of 0w20 so there is rly no point of using 0-20 in my opinion besides if you own bmw and driving it from point A to point B w/o any significant accelerations. If you want to save $ on gas thinner oil would barely help on b58 word of advice get a hybrid or electric.
Been saying that for years and people tough it was heresy lol
03:39 he meant i think 30.000 km and not miles
he means 30k kilometers oil change not miles,and vw/audi doesn't do that anymore
They quit when the timing chains kept snapping right?
Motul obviously
If the oil gets dirty, it needs to go no matter what the mileage interval.
Rotella t6. By shell.
Keep doing 3k engine oil changes
Modelling video hard to deal BMW